competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

Yeah that’s what I thought and I always prefer speed booster mostly because I can disrupt teams

[leaden fox]

I tend to run speed boosted Flutter as it is xP

[solid frigate]

True lol

I think during reg G when I was preparing my team for Regional

I almost brought Twave and Icy wind Flutter lol

Twave for CA Koraidon and Icy wind for everyone else

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/37bb41612a51b771
So this is the team I plan to run in the GC; but do you think I should change Lando to Steel Tera, Urshifu to another Tera outside of Steel (considering Poison) and Amoongus to hold Sitrus instead of Rocky Helmet

[solid frigate]

Steel is the best Tera for Lando since it can make Crown Psyspam feel like an itch

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I thought that Lando with Steel Tera would be better

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

This year i hope to play my first tournament

But my parents would need to bring me

So it’s gonna be very hard to convince them

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/Paul_Chua_/status/2023765868812136883?s=20

Paul (@Paul_Chua_)

Lastly since my Reg F is over, here is the rental of the team I used this past weekend.

paste: https://t.co/s9Ep14b3eB

X · Feb 17, 2026, 2:25 PM

If anyone doesn't know what to play in the GC just use this team xd

https://youtu.be/Hosy36m8XDk?si=uAtW6s_d_TQgiMQQ

Or a team that Justin shows here

[bold geode]

So correct me if I'm wrong

But isn't Relaxed a -speed?

[bold geode]

Ok so why is he using a - Spe nature but not 0 IV

[foggy lodge]

Probably the stuff that Wolfey does too

Wanting to be slower but not that slow but also being slower for TR

https://x.com/MoxieBoosted/status/2023735522770719143?s=20

The X-3 Grim Reaper (@MoxieBoosted)

The inclusions of the tapus and ferrothorn would have drastically improved reg F imo.

X · Feb 17, 2026, 12:25 PM

[waxen dock]

are they in champions?

[stone trellis]

How would we know?

[upper zealot]

that sounds hard to do but if it’s possible itd be amazing

im too lazy to paste my replays in most of the time

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen him talk about the team and it’s funny how he’s just saying it’s nothing crazy

He also thinks that the finals MU wasn’t that bad which I find interesting

[solid frigate]

The fact that ferrothorn is like strong against most of the mons we hate (Bolt and Flutter)

reg F and Reg C in particular

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t say bolt but flutter yeah

Ferro and bolt both just resist each other except bolt has weather ball and likes the sun

[stone trellis]

Flutter happens to learn Mystical Fire and also loves the sun.

[warm estuary]

I’m playing ho-ho

Fun mon

Good potential

Even if it doesn’t feel the star of the team

[bold geode]

The fuck you playing a Hostess cake for

Guys I'm using Twinkie rn, very meta breaking

[warm estuary]

Bc I was told to

[bold geode]

Real

[solid frigate]

Trust me it works well

[solid frigate]

It’s funny that it never used it

I think

[foggy lodge]

Balance just doesn't have bad MUs

At best they get tricky but never bad

[shadow wind]

It's very true

[foggy lodge]

I actually think that

The worst MU for balance is the mirror xd

Not because oh haha tera fairy bolts mirrors but

Between each balance variants they have stronger or weaker MUs into each other

I think Paul's only losses were actually against other balance teams

[stone trellis]

I thought you were talking about me for a second.

And it made me really confused because I am carried by my matchup into balance sometimes.

[next stump]

I am so jealous of paul chua

imagine being the best player at the best team every format

[tawdry urchin]

Can you use any restricted mons in regulation F?

[next stump]

Other players gotta have their little niches and gimmicks and teambuilding groups

No you can’t

[tawdry urchin]

Ah... Welp I don't have to try out vgc in sv then

[next stump]

The format switches in April so not much longer

[tawdry urchin]

To what format?

[next stump]

we should learn on pokemon day

[tawdry urchin]

We don't get told in advance? 😭

[next stump]

They announce one month in advance

[tawdry urchin]

I hope it's G because then I might switch from tcg to vgc for a while

[foggy lodge]

Only person who can go to the biggest tournament with the team with the biggest target in the meta and still win the whole thing

[stone trellis]

The four people who've won using CSR-Zamazenta don't count?

Oh yeah, biggest tournament.

Nevermind, I was going to start making CSR jokes again.

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/725baa0a4287d3f5 back to reg i

[shadow wind]

Goat

[bold geode]

If it does that actually will be horrible just sayin

Hopefully we're moving on to Champions in April

That's the best outcome

[molten oasis]

That’s right fellas, I’m back (I’m so bored of reg f)

[bold geode]

Though if we're doing more SV I wouldn't do G personally

[molten oasis]

Reg c?

[bold geode]

Idt more SV restricted formats is the answer

[bold geode]

Yeah probably

[shadow wind]

But they're so fun

[bold geode]

Nah it's not the way to keep SV afloat (that shit already sinking)

[shadow wind]

It is

But it's a way to keep me playing

[bold geode]

Yeah and to drive many others away

[molten oasis]

People hate legendaries

It’ll keep people away from the game, at least rerun something we’ve only done once

[craggy dagger]

April fools announcement saying that champions releases on that day

[foggy lodge]

Tbh people voted for reg F anyways xd

[molten oasis]

I meant restricteds

Reg c is the ruins format too

[forest arrow]

No gooner bros would be chill for a little while too

[molten oasis]

It would

https://x.com/wellspringmask/status/2023858171279011966?s=46 lmao

adit 🏳️‍🌈 (@wellspringmask)

It’s okay bud, I miss reg G too…

1731 Elo on Bo3

X · Feb 17, 2026, 8:32 PM

[rustic mountain]

tbf euic was just the biggest tourney ever

[upper zealot]

lmao i ran into it in the 1300s 😭

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's the thing

Is crazy because VGC is in its worst and best moment at the same time

[sudden remnant]

169 speed lets me outspeed any non-scarf lando right?

[rustic mountain]

its not in the worst moment tho thats my point, it just feels that way to ppl but tourney retention is still high/record breaking

players are done w/ sv in a sense but ppl r still turning out

[sudden remnant]

why would it be in its worst 🙁

[rustic mountain]

yes, just check sd w/ a speed boosting nature and max 252 speed evs

[sudden remnant]

my uo team is turning out to be more of a balance team 🫠

i asked that specifically cuz im working on my waterpon rn

[rustic mountain]

cool i just mean like sd is the outlet to see for urself, just add lando i in the teambuilder and see what its max speed is able to be

i feel like u kinda knew already referencing 168 speed haha

or 169 atleast being that 1 point faster

[sudden remnant]

yeah

i just wanted to make sure i didnt miss anything

[rustic mountain]

nope

tho i will say a lot of lando i arent max speed timid it is a good metric to go off

[sudden remnant]

im noob at vgc im trying to minimalize possible calc errors in my poni

since poni is a centerpoint of my team

[rustic mountain]

nobody calls it poni

[sudden remnant]

except me

suffer

[rustic mountain]

[sudden remnant]

i love ogerpon absolutely fucking goated pokemon

and her nickname is poni

[rustic mountain]

no tera gna hurt it goin forward

[sudden remnant]

i dont even use tera

i use waterpon not fire or grasspon so it doesnt help me much

[shadow wind]

I don’t think I understand how showdown decay works

Cause it’s been 1 day and I’ve decayed

I thought it was usually like 2 days of no playing

[stone trellis]

I might be immune to decay, because I'm just as trash as I was when I hit 1587.

[waxen dock]

my showdown looks diffrent

oh hell nah the new showdown doesnt have upload to paste button

[velvet gale]

Why is so broken kyogre in doubles?

It doesnt have sense

I just understood why is him banned

[foggy lodge]

what

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2542287090-pewt7p9sojix5pvh6mnmoiqy85p9cglpw

[waxen dock]

Wide guard miraidon and rilla say otherwise

[leaden fox]

Any suggestions for Urshifu-Rapid Tera without picking Water or Steel? 😅
(I'm considering Poison)

[foggy lodge]

What would you use poison for?

[leaden fox]

counters fairy, grass and fighting

even counters bug ironically

[velvet gale]

Yeah but i have a team without mayor legendarys

[foggy lodge]

Fair but like in which MUs would you click it the most

Eh its probably good into the shifu rilla mirrors

I used tera poison shifu before but it was for the Zama Flutter or Zama Amoonguss MU

[waxen dock]

What bout psychic

You need this farig and crown countera?

[leaden fox]

valid point

maybe Bug Tera would be better?

counters grass, poison, fighting

yes doesn't counter fire, but will have a means against that with Surging Strikes

and Aqua Jet

[velvet gale]

Why i can not pass a photo

[waxen dock]

Torn

[velvet gale]

Of my team

[waxen dock]

So just use tera steel

On mystic ursh

[leaden fox]

can't post uploaded photos, only links

[velvet gale]

Why

xd

[leaden fox]

ok, so means my Lando and Urshi-Rapid will both have Steel Tera 😅

Hm, what about Fire Tera?

counters burn, leaving only water, rock and ground being the biggest issues, but can deal with the two latter types since Surging

[velvet gale]

So

My team is:
Inci
Ursaluna(normal one)
Fluttermane
Chien-pao
Farogiraf
Amoonguss

What Tera Will you goe?

[leaden fox]

In order I'd go:
Ghost or Grass (if no Safety Goggles)
Ghost
Fairy
Stellar or Ghost
Water or Fairy
Water

Just my opinion of course

[waxen dock]

I have a team with 3 tera ghost

[velvet gale]

I was thinking the same of everyone but amoonguss that i didnt know what to take

[leaden fox]

I mean yeah; can understand that xP

[leaden fox]

Yeah, many tend to run Water Tera on Amoongus, helps wall it's biggest weakness

Especially if you face a Heat Crash Pokémon like Gouging Fire xP

You have no idea how many times I matched up against that xD

[velvet gale]

Yeah yeah, also inci or something like that

[leaden fox]

yep

Won't completely wall a mon like Ogerpon-Fire, but will take the initial hit as long as you time your Tera right

[foggy lodge]

Fire helps into Flutter Chi Yu

[leaden fox]

yep, that too

Also believe (will double check to be sure) that Fire resists Fairy too

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[leaden fox]

Yeah, double checked myself too xP

[velvet gale]

Yeah, its good

[leaden fox]

Doing all these checks, etc on my three monitors while adjusting my team for the upcoming GC 😂

[velvet gale]

I have ursaluna eartquake, i was thinking about Tera flying farigiraf

[leaden fox]

an interesting consideration yeah

[next stump]

https://x.com/billavgc/status/2024173746492252170?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Billa (@BillaVGC)

Please welcome Urshifu to the exclusive Poke-Millionaire club! Rillaboom and Flutter Mane on track to join this season.

Check out LimitlessVGC for more stats!

X · Feb 18, 2026, 5:26 PM

[velvet gale]

It Will resist bug and can helping hand ursaluna without having damage in trickroom

That shit one shoots everything instead being intimidated

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that much is true

Can always consider Cresselia too

Levitate on it after all

[velvet gale]

But i like farigiraf a lot, the ability is Broken

[leaden fox]

It is one of the best ones yes

I'd suggest running Protect on it for sure

[velvet gale]

Farigiraf protect?

Im running it without

Foul play, pshyshock, trick room and hh

The objectos i have are:
Safety googles
Flame orb
Booster energy
Focus shash
Sitrus
Rocky helmet

[shadow wind]

ChatGPT ahh list

Flame orb and booster 🥀🥀🥀

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/pero_francesco/status/2023793453927182765?s=20

CICCIOTT (@pero_francesco)

3rd place euic2026

https://t.co/hDuEsd1ELb

X · Feb 17, 2026, 4:15 PM

@shadow wind look at this shifu spread

[velvet gale]

Why not? xd

[shadow wind]

Tera steel goggles

Maya has run goggles Shifu before so I can’t even diss it

Tera steel is an odd one but the team is clearly terrible into Flutter so I can see it

[leaden fox]

yeah, those sound right

[shadow wind]

Why not??

What use would Farigiraf have for those items ever

Yeah let’s make my foul play 45 BP and take chip every turn just so I don’t get spored

And booster energy does quite literally nothing

[leaden fox]

obviously back and forth atm reading the chat; since I am adjusting my Pokémon's EV spreads xP

[shadow wind]

Less than nothing actually cause it takes away the opportunity for another Mon with Proto or quark to use it

[velvet gale]

xd? Literally fluttermane to outspeed everything

[shadow wind]

Ok so looks like I have misread the situation, I genuinely thought you were listing out items for Farigiraf to run

[shadow wind]

This was all I read

But now I see that you weren’t listing possible items for Farigiraf

[foggy lodge]

Foul play doesn't really do too much into the format rn

[velvet gale]

I look for damages and thanks for the sitrus farigiraf just survives 2 moonblasts of fluttermane because of the sitrus

[gentle crag]

payojaims_16052 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[foggy lodge]

Maybe if you have problems with like tera ghost Ursaluna

[velvet gale]

It could be real the foul play

[shadow wind]

Yeah foul play kinda buns right now

No horses to take advantage of

Or Lunala

[foggy lodge]

Ehh its good into hearthflame too

With swords dance it does stuff but like

[shadow wind]

Hearthflame will probably just OHKO anyway

[foggy lodge]

Its generally a move that doesn't do a lot you know

[shadow wind]

+3 grassy terrain glide probably kills Farig

[foggy lodge]

+2 cuz you can't tera

[shadow wind]

I mean you don’t need the prio

[foggy lodge]

Grassy glide into Farig is so funny

[velvet gale]

Mmmm obviusly not xd

[foggy lodge]

+2 188 Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Grassy Glide (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 204 HP / 164+ Def Farigiraf in Grassy Terrain: 130-154 (58.8 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[shadow wind]

+3 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Farigiraf in Grassy Terrain: 231-273 (118.4 - 140%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So it does but no one runs no one is running no bulk Farig

But my head calcs stay strong

Oh wait Maxi you’re so right

I was thinking grassy glide just wouldn’t be prio

But it wouldn’t work at all

[rustic mountain]

why r u guys doin mask calcs wen that disrupts moldbreaker goin thru armor tail (assuming prio active)

[shadow wind]

Because I woke up 12 minutes ago and forgot the interaction

[foggy lodge]

I was doing no tera calcs🔥

[shadow wind]

+2 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Farigiraf in Grassy Terrain: 186-219 (95.3 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

You can get a second swords dance tho

[shadow wind]

My head calcs technically are still valid

[rustic mountain]

yea who isnt running 0 hp 0 def giraffe

[shadow wind]

Me and the gang ALL running 0 0 Farig

Max speed max spatk sets are the meta

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I remember yesterday I played a super weird player cuz they leaded Ursaluna BM + Farigiraf into my Crown Indeedee and I thought oh they are going to switch Ursa and set TR

And i got the TR call right and I reverse TR but they didn't protect Ursa as I clicked calm mind

And then I thought well now you have to protect cuz Ursa explodes now

And they still didn't protect

And then in turn 3 +2 crown just blew up everything

[rustic mountain]

lol

[forest arrow]

Nothing like getting twin beamed by a scarf Farig

I hate bo1 ladder

[rustic mountain]

lmao was gna say ig that happened to u

[forest arrow]

happened yesterday

[foggy lodge]

Gang did y'all lock your GC teams

I already locked Cary's team

[rustic mountain]

oh shit wen do signups end

[forest arrow]

Nah yesterday made me lose all hope for GC

[foggy lodge]

I locked the wrong Lando move so I think I'm kinda cooked

But we roll

[shadow wind]

What move?

[foggy lodge]

20 I think?

[foggy lodge]

Sandsear instead of substitute

[forest arrow]

I think you’ll be fine

[foggy lodge]

I wanted substitute for the Ursa P2 MU

[rustic mountain]

ill try to sign up today

[foggy lodge]

Cuz if they lead Incin P2 into your Incin Lando and you get tera steel substitute its an insta win

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain Max Spdef Urshifu Rapid Strike made it to semifinals of EUIC

[shadow wind]

At least sandseer has potential

[forest arrow]

Did you see the adaptations made to that team?

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

I think they made Ghold Flying to help with the P2 Ursa mu

[foggy lodge]

The version that cutted?

[forest arrow]

yeah I think so

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I saw it its good

I think the team has problems with Amoonguss still

[bold geode]

I'd change my Gholdengo tera but I think I need Fairy LOL

[foggy lodge]

But maybe its fine rn cuz psyspam is everywhere

So Amoonguss will naturally fall in usage atleast a bit

[bold geode]

I hate Dark Ursh so much

[forest arrow]

Bro the fact that, that Ursh only has 20 spe IVs is wild lmao

[bold geode]

20 Speed EVs was weird

But T Wave makes up for it I guess

It's more of a bulky team than anything

[forest arrow]

And the bulk lmaooo

Those are some crazy calcs

[rustic mountain]

they really did not wanna tera their urshi much hahah

[bold geode]

Nah hol up
https://x.com/pero_francesco/status/2023793453927182765?s=20

CICCIOTT (@pero_francesco)

3rd place euic2026

https://t.co/hDuEsd1ELb

X · Feb 17, 2026, 4:15 PM

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 92 HP / 252 SpD Vessel of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 105-125 (56.1 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Also 1/16 rolls the crit

[rustic mountain]

easily the coolest team to come outta this weekend

paul showing hes not ur typical balance player this team seems to farm raging bolt balance generally

[forest arrow]

Bro he played so well into it, was such a great watch

[foggy lodge]

I think the match could have gone differently

It was definetely a winnanle MU for Cicciot Paul is just too good

[rustic mountain]

it could have sure, but it didnt

[shadow wind]

When Thundurus hits the team builder the format has died

[rustic mountain]

iirc g1 cicciot had a few turns if he got different he gets a huge momentum swing it just didnt happen

[foggy lodge]

That happened long ago when proto Thundurus became popular

[forest arrow]

Nah bro finally done innovation

People saying thundy sucks then it top 4s the biggest tournament

[shadow wind]

Bros only niche is spamming Twave 😔

[bold geode]

Y'know low-key the Bold Flutter is just another Thundurus

[foggy lodge]

I think Thundurus is one of those mons that will always have a niche

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

prio eerie and taunt is also very pog

[foggy lodge]

Eerie impulse + strong spread electric move is super strong

[shadow wind]

It’s so true

[foggy lodge]

You can like compress the role of a bolt and a flutter into it

It also gets rain dance

[forest arrow]

Eerie impulse shutting down Flutter and Bolt is massive

[bold geode]

The only thing that pisses me off is like
So apparently fuckin Eerie Impulse "doesn't have electric properties" meaning it can work on Landorus

[foggy lodge]

This team didn't use it but if anyone wants to use Thundurus

[forest arrow]

Lando too

[rustic mountain]

right especially into a team that generally does not like seeing flutter

nd the eeries ensure bolt can never really gain much ground

[foggy lodge]

Also faster twave into Flutter

[shadow wind]

You don’t see it for ages then people remember that Twave is the best move in the game

[rustic mountain]

twave used to b broken

[foggy lodge]

Which is like actually pretty big cuz like

I think you can combo something like twave + iron head into booster Flutter and kill it before it gets off anything

[forest arrow]

Yeah the whole team is flutter weak barring Gouging and he’s neutral to it so like

[bold geode]

I used T Wave Flutter before a lot of people did

[rustic mountain]

right

[rustic mountain]

congrats want a cookie

[bold geode]

Yes

I would love a cookie

[dense latch]

🍪

[rustic mountain]

ppl on twitter goin off on claims of who played iron crown first

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[forest arrow]

Flutter Arc never really bothered me much tho

[foggy lodge]

Btw for this shifu spread

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 92 HP / 252 SpD Vessel of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 144-170 (77 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[forest arrow]

Insane

[rustic mountain]

it fell off

its not bad per say but i would not put it as a dominant archetype

[forest arrow]

Riding on para flinches isn’t really the best strat ever

[dense latch]

what

[foggy lodge]

Yeah even most teams that were similar to Flutter Harc just dropped Harc for Incin xd

[forest arrow]

Didn’t they run Goltres too

[bold geode]

Harc Flutter was doing work for a min but it just
Kinda disappeared

[foggy lodge]

Like Giovanni's team

[rustic mountain]

right

[bold geode]

And tbh idk why it disappeared

[rustic mountain]

incin doesnt give u paraflinch but its a better mon overall

[forest arrow]

Arc just wasn’t it

[foggy lodge]

Or Ashton's team which actually splits the Harc into a Heatran for a fire type and Lando T for an intimidate offensive mon

[velvet gale]

Anyone has the team for a combate?

[bold geode]

I think the Harc Flutter stuff was honestly still fine

[foggy lodge]

I think

[bold geode]

But it sucks cuz my original GC team would've shat on Harc Flutter

[foggy lodge]

The rise of Incin and even Lando T made it super hard for Harcanine atleast at this tournament in particular

[rustic mountain]

ursa, lando t, lando i, shit even ting lu

[forest arrow]

How many went?

[foggy lodge]

Cuz I actually saw some discussion before EUIC on twitter and lowkey band on Harcanine was more of a problem than a benefit

[bold geode]

I think Harc also is just a Tera hog

[rustic mountain]

unsure wat ur asking dude

[foggy lodge]

I think clear amulet Harcanine is super usable rn

And I think its better than band atleast rn

If you want to use Harcanine

[rustic mountain]

if some1 can play the team w/o being super linear its prolly fine

if ur leading harc flutter then yea its gna b easy to exploit

[leaden fox]

And now after triple to quadruple checking, my team is locked in for GC 🙂

[forest arrow]

gl!

[foggy lodge]

Everyone check their teams before locking teams don't be like me LMAO

Man I'm gonna miss substitute so much

[forest arrow]

cries internally from yesterdays ladder sesh

[rustic mountain]

im tera water lando atm but maybe steel is the move for p2 ursa

[foggy lodge]

Atleast sandsear still works like atleast I didn't lock something like outrage

[bold geode]

I think it's better since there's a bit more Intimidate around

[foggy lodge]

But I think the substitute in bo1 was also super huge

Cuz like everyone also assumes this Lando is sandsear

[bold geode]

Cuz the downside of clam over band is not having Band in MUs where there's no intimidate

[rustic mountain]

its common enough ull usually hav an item

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it also helps into Crown Indeedee Regidrago

Tera steel Lando is lowkey my MU into crown indeedee

Cuz I don't have tera steel on shifu its tera fire for flutter chi yu

[bold geode]

Yeah
Mainly cuz like
At least with one Intimidate drop the Band is actually cancelling out the Intimidate

Like if you look at neutral ClAm calcs vs -1 Band calcs, the numbers are the same

[foggy lodge]

Also I prefer clam cuz

It actually helps into Flutter Harc mirrors cuz you can icy wind their Harc and they can't

And both Harcs kill eachother lol

[shadow wind]

Koraidon moment

[rustic mountain]

yea i was just gna mention icy wind, clam has added benefit of keeping u from droppin any stat not just atk

[bold geode]

Yeah if it wasn't for speed drops too I'd actually say Band is still better cuz Clam blocking Atk drops is only really useful when it's more than once

[rustic mountain]

also a bit spicy but u could swap harc w/ clam into a slot predicting p shot and have incin unable to pivot out

[foggy lodge]

That too

Idk I think clam is much better

Also you don't have to be locked into a move at -1 atk

[rustic mountain]

bands solid but clam has some nice use case

also protect >

[foggy lodge]

Yeah cuz like Harc doesn't really need head smash

The band sets only use it cuz like well what else do you use as the 4th move lol

[bold geode]

Also I'm a fan of Sash Urshifu a bit more

[rustic mountain]

ive said it b4 if i didnt use pao on my balance team id 100% use sash urshi

sash urshi in swsh was like the urshi hahah either one

[bold geode]

Imma be real it's super weird for me to run bulk on Ursh cuz it never feels like enough

[rustic mountain]

i think its just knowing wat ur bulk can do

and not overextending

otherwise yea a SE move is gna hurt regardless

[foggy lodge]

252 HP 252 SpD careful

[bold geode]

NOW WE RUN THAT WITH GOUGING FIRE

[rustic mountain]

literally what cicciot did except he wasnt insane enough to go max hp as well

[foggy lodge]

Nah Cicciot's spread is super good

[velvet gale]

If anyone wants a combat now

[rustic mountain]

i didnt say it wasnt good

[foggy lodge]

At first I didn't think it was that important but then you factor you have Ting-Lu and eerie impulse

[rustic mountain]

#1046572041421197352 🫡

[foggy lodge]

And the spread is super cool it probably lives some gross double ups

[bold geode]

Unfortunately I don't have Prankster speed control

[rustic mountain]

same

but im fine w/ that balance better

[foggy lodge]

I have a Roaring Moon that is slower than timid regidrago in tailwind wish me luck

[rustic mountain]

y lmao

[foggy lodge]

Because it can't be faster than timid drago

[rustic mountain]

oh like tw for regidrago

i thought u meant moon under tw im like dude hows that even possible

[foggy lodge]

And its super silly cuz the roll of life orb timid dravo meteor is a 50/50

So into Tornadus Regidrago its literally turn 1 50/50

[rustic mountain]

oof

[foggy lodge]

With tera btw

[rustic mountain]

what if they dragon energy u always live?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it always lives dragon energy

[stone trellis]

Yeah, DE is effectively 112,5 BP due to it being a spread move.

[foggy lodge]

If they are modest it can kill but if they are modest I'm faster and I get tailwind make it rain wujuu

[rustic mountain]

oh ur using carys team

[foggy lodge]

Yep

[bold geode]

Adding on to this, I honestly wish I could pull a spread off like that for my team but I think that a spread like Cicciot's probably only works on that specific team due to all the tools it has with Prankster T Wave, Howl and Vessel of Ruin

[velvet gale]

Anyone playa there xd

[rustic mountain]

dengo lando i into tera steel seems way more consistent into that lead then goin into a 50/50 w/ moon

[bold geode]

Just gonna have to wait big dawg

But that's where ya gonna go

[foggy lodge]

I could try that but roaring dengo also covers other leads like urshifu Hearthflame and stuff

So its also like the leads mindgames

[rustic mountain]

everything is ultra precise

mark of a well constructed team

[foggy lodge]

I wish I could come up with the spreads that some player make

[bold geode]

Yeah it's just put together well

[foggy lodge]

Like Shiliang's hearthflame spread they are super game changing too

[bold geode]

Max now I'm thinking if I'm wrong, talk sense into me

[foggy lodge]

what

[bold geode]

I'm tryna think if my team can use super bulky Urshifu

I know it can't

But now I'm thinking about it

Man I'm a crazy son of a bitch huh

[foggy lodge]

Nah it only works on Cicciot's team

Cuz like the Urshifu has a lot of support tools there

[bold geode]

Yeah
Plus I can't test that change out, I don't have enough time

[dense latch]

bulky sets are so fun

they make me feel like i’m cheating

[bold geode]

Well problem is I've been using Sash for the past few weeks so I'd have to get used to a bulky set with little time

[shadow wind]

Bulky sets are lame

Why doesn’t my super effective hit kill

I’m just sad when my Firepon doesn’t kill a non tera’d CIR in the sun

[stone trellis]

Cope and seethe.

[shadow wind]

I win and conquer

[molten oasis]

Stupid Mon

CIR can eat behemoth blade

Which is WILD to me

[stone trellis]

What having more Defense than motherfucking Groudon and unnerfed Zamazenta does to a horse.

[molten oasis]

Fr

[shadow wind]

Incredibly stupid Mon

Can’t wait for it to have to stay an ice type though

Gholdengo gaming or whatever

Have they ever made 2 special Restricteds in a gen?

Like for the box arts

[rustic mountain]

xerneas and yveltal

also palkia and dialga

swsh was the first time they did 2 physical restricteds

[shadow wind]

Yeah that’s kinda what got me thinking about it

[shadow wind]

But he gets oblivious wing so he’s special

And then Geomancy is pretty obvious

I did totally forget about Gen 4 though

[rustic mountain]

yveltal generally run as a sp atker

[shadow wind]

Yeah o wing, snarl, dpulse

All good options for him

[shadow wind]

Jeez that move is dumb

One of the best flying moves ever made

Probably like top 2

Might be top 1 actually

Dragon ascent is great but there’s draw backs

80 BP and 3/4 healing is unheard of

[molten oasis]

Would be better if uh, Yveltal’s ability went to flying moves instead of dark moves

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

[molten oasis]

I think some Yveltal ran only dark moves sometimes

[shadow wind]

Av sets were common I think?

I’m not 100% sure though cause I didn’t play

[molten oasis]

Yeah fs

I’d use Yveltal if it was legal

[shadow wind]

Me too

Well in double res

[solid frigate]

Yveltal would be sick as fuck if it’s in Double res

Single res it can’t do anything

[shadow wind]

I think Yveltal is similar to Lunala

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

For sure,but Lunala’s moveset helps on its single res environment

Yveltal is more supportive

[shadow wind]

Meteor beam and expanding force help it so much

[solid frigate]

And calm mind as well

[shadow wind]

Negative set up

Ooh foul play

[solid frigate]

Yeah it’s good foul play user

[shadow wind]

And it gets knock???

Was unaware

[solid frigate]

Yeah triple dark Moveset is viable during Gen 8

[shadow wind]

Is foul play the strongest physical dark move?

BP wise

And non conditional

[stone trellis]

I think so.

[stone trellis]

I think it's fair to rank signature moves in the context of who gets them.

DA is that good because it's on mr. 180 in both offenses.

[molten oasis]

It’s not a set up Mon

It’s like a bulkier supportive goltres

[solid frigate]

Yes since we don’t have a dark type box art legendary after Yveltal

[solid frigate]

i still don't know why its not a dark type signature move

[foggy lodge]

Shut up and enjoy it because the other option would be air slash

[molten oasis]

“Aw man I love hurricane”

[solid frigate]

Honestly fuck it let me gamble with Hurricane lol

[left bobcat]

Let’s go gambling

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/2024453925361823968?s=20

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

📣 Last call for the Grand Challenge V!

Sign-ups close in TWELVE HOURS — Join now if you don't want to miss the event... and the Championship Points! ⏳

📖 All info: https://t.co/URISuzHcAw

X · Feb 19, 2026, 12:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-kyoko-kirigiri-after-school-lesson-gif-6483675630744807798

[leaden fox]

Already prepped myself for it (team submitted yesterday xP)

[bold geode]

My ass on a 4 game losing streak and I low-key pull the Smeargle Muk MU

[leaden fox]

Last time I used Muk was Gen7 competitive 😅

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2543026795-2d3u867drod33jjs32kwodu3gfktnxgpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2543030505-gfhnkjuca7wcjeomhhpcy7s8dy1h5mmpw

[sudden remnant]

todays the last day to sign up? 😭

[waxen dock]

You have 5 hours left

Thats enough time to make a team

[sudden remnant]

im cooked then

im headed to work rn, i dont even HAVE a pelipper and i dont have the item machine to get ev materials

[leaden fox]

I mean, I would've glaldy helped ya for that by sorting it out on my end, but depends on how long you've got, what stats you want, etc 😅

[sudden remnant]

it’s currently 2pm i have exactly 5 hours

[leaden fox]

what stat spread do you need?

[sudden remnant]

i need a pelipper and my ogerpons spread changed

[leaden fox]

I know I can probably help the most with Pelipper for sure; cannot be sure of Ogerpon 😅

[sudden remnant]

cuz all the rest of my spreqds i can do manually with the bracer items just those 2 and my tinkaton have weird spreads

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I know what you mean; it's just cause I am limited on the EV berries; but the feathers + vitamins I have tons of

[sudden remnant]

ummmm ill look if i have another ogerpon

i don’t think i do but ill check

[leaden fox]

I mean, I have only the one Ogerpon atm unless I do the game all over again on an alt and trade it somehow 😅

But having just the one copy doesn't help me too much 😅

[sudden remnant]

i have both games lemme see if i have a second file to post game

[leaden fox]

Yeah, wish I had both games (especially to pickup Miraidon, Ogerpon again and Iron Crown)

[sudden remnant]

i probably have a miraidon i can trade you i dont even use it

i use koraidon for reg I stuff

[leaden fox]

Its ok, I have a Miraidon thankfully already 😅

[sudden remnant]

what is jirachi bot lmao

[leaden fox]

Luckily if I need "actual trades", I would be posting them in the Trade channel(s) xP

[sudden remnant]

im looking in my main violet save if i have a second ogerpon

oh dear

[stone trellis]

I have multiple, but I literally can't use my Switch until tomorrow.

[leaden fox]

ah dang

[sudden remnant]

which doesnt help me cuz i have 5 hours to submit my team

😭

[stone trellis]

I know.

I'm just saying that I would help you if I could.

[sudden remnant]

okay @leaden fox i may be able to borrow my friends ogerpon so we might be okay

[leaden fox]

ah that's good

[sudden remnant]

hes seeing if he can reset his cuz he has it built as a rockpon

which is no bueno for me

[leaden fox]

I haven't honestly used rockpon in any of my teams xD

[sudden remnant]

i mostly use firepon

just in this team waterpon does a lot more for me

[leaden fox]

I use mainly firepon and waterpon too

[sudden remnant]

so if he has this ogerpon could you help me with 3 ev spreads. the ogerpon, my tinkaton, and the pelipper im about to catch

[leaden fox]

I should be able to

[sudden remnant]

and then my other 3 i can ev myself cuz their just generic spreads

[leaden fox]

No worries

[sudden remnant]

where do i even find pelipper lmao im at north paldean sea rn

[leaden fox]

Should be on the north end

wingull on south end

[sudden remnant]

found one

[leaden fox]

good good

[sudden remnant]

okay i have my ogerpons evs reset

and most of my moves handled

[leaden fox]

that's good

[sudden remnant]

can you help with pelis ogerpons and tinkas evs ponis and tinkas are weird and pelis is just odd

[leaden fox]

@sudden remnant Should be able to

[sudden remnant]

okay i can give you spreads for them and can send them to you whenever

[leaden fox]

you can do yes 🙂

[sudden remnant]

here or dms

[leaden fox]

best to mention it in dms, just in case someone gets the "trade code"

[sudden remnant]

ah yeah

[leaden fox]

And all that is sorted now; though need to really bulk up on berries 😅
(Unless Champions makes it better xP)

Though hoping instead of the "66 points" they showed off before, it's "508 points" instead 😅

[sudden remnant]

once i register the team i cant change anything right

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[sudden remnant]

k i got two hours to ev dnite pao and wake and check my tera types

i got this

the ev items like the vitamins and feathers give 1 ev point

not 1 stat point

so i can get pao 4def and wake and dnite 4hp each now

[leaden fox]

vitamins do 10 evs, feathers do 1 ev; but if you have maxed the evs into two stats, then the vitamins will only do the remaining 4 evs

[sudden remnant]

kk

time to exterminate the local meostic population

[sudden remnant]

WOOOOOOO

[foggy lodge]

4-1

[sudden remnant]

what?

[foggy lodge]

How much will it take me to be 6-7

[sudden remnant]

wouldnt you want to be 42-0

[foggy lodge]

I'm on the team preview and seeing the MU I can say this is ending in a 4-2 but i'll try to win ig lol

[sudden remnant]

wait did the gc already start?

😵‍💫

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[sudden remnant]

i thought it was friday saturday sunday

[foggy lodge]

4-2

I needed knock off to pick up a KO into gambit and it was 1 HP away from killing

[next stump]

thursday-sunday

[sudden remnant]

rip in chat

[foggy lodge]

Ended 10-5 today

That's okay ig

Idk how I beated a tr flutter + ursaluna after a terrible turn 1 but I did

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/DinomiteVGC/status/2024615448537366779?s=20

Oliver Gausden (@DinomiteVGC)

I know SVs Dex is bad but I didn't realise how many steel types we lost holy shit

They added crown, dengo, gambit, arch sure but we lost celesteela, kartana, stak, aegislash, AND ferrothorn who all probably would have all play. The meta shakeup for champions is gonna be unreal

X · Feb 19, 2026, 10:41 PM

Truth nuke

[forest arrow]

Ferrothorn will be huge

Based Mon

[foggy lodge]

I think the steel types problem is a problem of this format

Cuz in restricteds we had Iron Treads that was also a good check into Flutter

But now we can't really use it cuz it doesn't have terrain and booster energy treads sucks

[solid frigate]

Ferrothorn:whats up mfs

[foggy lodge]

But we have Heatran atleast

But I think this is a reason why fairy has felt so dominant in this meta

Mainly in reg F cuz we also lost things like Zamazenta and even Zacian that could check it

[solid frigate]

Celesteela would be huge as well

[solid frigate]

Yeah that’s a bulky boi

[forest arrow]

That’s what started the CIR leech seed tech I believe

So yeah celesteela will be annoying

[dense latch]

kartana was sick i miss it :(

stak too

[rustic mountain]

gl to every1 in the gc, decided to not participate cuz in practice i found i am not enjoying vgc atm

[sudden remnant]

i got my team registered just in time

[foggy lodge]

Reg F or VGC as a whole

[waxen dock]

W

[sudden remnant]

and unlike paul in the last gc i checked my moves evs and tera types one last time before registering

[rustic mountain]

ive mostly been playin reg f but just vgc in general

[real prairie]

Fire red and leaf Green switch prices are ouchy

[shadow hinge]

$20 isn't a lot 🤔

[real prairie]

For a 22 year old game that's just a re-release and is readily available free with extreme ease

[waxen dock]

You can just play in an emulator

[real prairie]

That's my point, there's little to no incentive to getting the switch version outside of Pokémon home, but then the kanto Dex is already available on Home via letsgo

$5-10 should have been the price point

[shadow hinge]

I don't like Let's go due to its bad controller support

[real prairie]

IF it's free with expansion pack there might be some value there

[real prairie]

Agreed, not sure that makes leaf Green and fire red worth $20 though

[shadow hinge]

well i'd say if a game that has bad controller support is $60 and a game that might have better support for it at $20 i'd say its worth it

[real prairie]

If that's your threshold for a game, sure. But realistically all games should have appropriate controller support

[shadow wind]

Can we just talk about it for a second?

Cause I be doing this on the daily

Me and my 7 elo

Almost a 300 elo gap

Type of games I be getting when I have a 35 gxe

I guess I deserve it for queuing at 3 am

[leaden fox]

So, who's already done some if not all matches in GC so far?
I know I'll be doing my 15 matches later on

[stone trellis]

You using Arubega?

[leaden fox]

Just one more week until Pokémon Day, but surprised they dropped FRLG for pre-order 😅

Never underestimate Amoongus xP
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2543642443

[shadow wind]

Nah my Ogerpon is slightly different

[solid frigate]

bored as hell so i did this

[solid frigate]

this too

[sudden remnant]

gonna start my gc matches tn

[waxen dock]

gl

[sudden remnant]

i dont expect to win anything but im gonna try

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2543838399-5m2c6m0f435hxnls4gfrtjlwkm2o4mqpw

[leaden fox]

Managed to do my first 15 matches with a 10-5 record atm

30 more to go over the next two days xP

[sudden remnant]

yesterday i spent patting myself on the back that i got everything done in time (huge thanks to you)

[gentle crag]

naganohara_vexae has given 1 Gen Rep to djdanny88

[sudden remnant]

tn i start matches

[leaden fox]

all good 🙂

[leaden fox]

certainly wishing you good luck

[sudden remnant]

im glad i had an abundance of tera shards and materials for every move but ice spinner (also thank you)

[leaden fox]

No worries at all 🙂

[shadow wind]

Weirdest laddering of all time just occurred

Started at 1604 then lost 3 times in a row back down to almost 1500 flat then won like 9 in a row and now I'm 1603

My gxe lowkey skyrocketed though

77.3% is gnarly for me

[solid frigate]

But if you close your eyes

[shadow wind]

What about closing my eyes

I would say that was successful ladder sesh

Going from 1500 to 1600 straight in Bo1 cts is something I can't do often so I think I did well

[carmine pilot]

Question, is SV's Online dead?

In the past 25 mins I've only been able to find a single match

In ranked doubles

[rustic mountain]

mostly every1 doin the gc this weekend

tho i would say not many ppl r doin cart ladder in general, its removed from the irl circuit so theres a bit of a disconnect

[shadow wind]

Thank goodness the Reg I showdown ladder is full of bums so it's fun

(I'm the bum still playing Reg I)

[solid frigate]

bro did not get the meme

[shadow wind]

By no means is it the same if that's what you're getting at

Doesn't even apply

[solid frigate]

it literally changed nothing

Thats the whole fucking lyrics of that song-

[shadow wind]

But is isn't the same??

Also usually the context of that is when something is similar like if I were to use ttar and double miss rock slide

[solid frigate]

thats literally the different context of the meme-

[shadow wind]

?

Bros got a degree in memes

[solid frigate]

havve you even look at the memes of the countries Territory got vanished and that song plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glqSp1BRnx0

[shadow wind]

Bro attends meme classes 😭

[solid frigate]

thats how being online in 2020 feels like

[shadow wind]

Bro that's you RIGHT NOW

[solid frigate]

now he gets it

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-evol-evol-kamen-rider-goodbye-chat-gif-15017428211571848498

[shadow wind]

What is even going on 😭

[solid frigate]

Educate you the memes before the whole 2024-2025 brainrotting shit

[bold geode]

Morris you're fuckin dumb

[solid frigate]

its 5 am so expect me to go braindead

[shadow wind]

Then hop off the cord brodie

[bold geode]

Why'd you make that sound like a drug

[shadow wind]

Cause it is

[bold geode]

Bruh I'm straight tweakin off the cord

That does not sound good

[shadow wind]

I was trippin off the cord while laddering

No it's literally so dumb

Like after I lost 100 elo I started doomscrolling while laddering

Then I win like 9 in a row

[stone trellis]

And washed up newgens like me.

[sudden remnant]

does it almost feel like nothing changed at all

[sudden remnant]

its a song. its Pompeii by Bastille

[sudden remnant]

washed up and newgen in the same sentence does not compute

[stone trellis]

I'm really new to the game.

[sudden remnant]

which wouldnt make you “washed up” it would make you “newgen”

[shadow wind]

Obviously 😭

[foggy lodge]

Beated Taran Birdee and Dyl Yeomans in the GC😎

[stone trellis]

I've still had time to lose my skill though.

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/katatatat__/status/2025249851844256155?s=20

Kat 🏳️‍🌈 (@katatatat__)

Just matched into this at 1590

X · Feb 21, 2026, 4:42 PM

[waxen dock]

was his opponent 1590? cuz i matched into quick claw snorlax while i was in 1600

[light silo]

„Hey everyone, I’m from Germany and can’t find anyone here to do the group mission with (for those legendary Pokémon snacks). Anyone wanna help? If you join me, I’ll give you a Shiny Pokémon – nothing crazy, just got three boxes full, but hey, Shiny’s Shiny! 😏 Need 3 more for Union Circle or sharing sandwiches. Thanks a ton!“

[leaden fox]

^ Very likely a bot by miles ^

For some reason, I matched up against a full Regi team (no joke xP)

[next stump]

They got some drip at the mall for the 30th anniversary

[sudden remnant]

WALKING WAKE I LOVE YOU

i was in a major losing position and wake brought it back for me

and i never even revealed to them wake had a booster energy cuz they generously gave me the sun

[shadow wind]

300 elo 🥀

This is not good living

[sudden remnant]

gc score is 2-2

WHY IS EVERYONE USING THIS TEAM

[foggy lodge]

Because its reg F😔

[sudden remnant]

SAME TEAM AGAIN FFS

[sudden remnant]

fuck reg F everyone does the same thing

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[molten oasis]

There’s also very little room to make new things

So, it just kinda be like that

[shadow wind]

Like every team has been made

[sudden remnant]

and my team is unique and im suffering 😑

[molten oasis]

And every new team is hidden in the shadows for as long as possible

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

This is why I’m Reg I maxxing currently

[molten oasis]

I tried reg I

[sudden remnant]

i have 3 wins and 4 losses

[shadow wind]

At least there’s more than 4 teams on the ladder

[molten oasis]

I hate playing kyogre so much

[shadow wind]

Yeah me too

[molten oasis]

That Mon pisses me off

[shadow wind]

Kyogre CIR teams are super brain dead

[molten oasis]

Using it is

[dense latch]

i think im gonna try reg i again

i played a bit of ladder with my old team and it was fun

[molten oasis]

“If you’re not full hp I hope you hit your fucking origin pulses” like

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-22195730

[sudden remnant]

this gc is not fun bro im using wake and these mfs are using the same 2 teams

[shadow wind]

Guy acting like I haven’t been using Pblades for 2 years

[molten oasis]

I play zacian

[shadow wind]

Something about Reg I is weirdly fun

[molten oasis]

At least Groudon can run high horsepower

[shadow wind]

Still misses twin

[molten oasis]

Kyogre gets, fucking water pulse

[molten oasis]

It’s 95% accurate not 85% and spread

[shadow wind]

Well you’re the one that picked 2 Restricteds that can miss

[molten oasis]

Me thinks I need to try miraidon again, or god forbid play CSR

[shadow wind]

So did I but I’ve just accepted that they miss and don’t complain about it anymore

[molten oasis]

You play groudon mirai.

[dense latch]

i started the reg with cir miraidon and never looked back

[molten oasis]

I’ve accepted zacian misses

[shadow wind]

Wait a minute

Water spout

[molten oasis]

Because zacian takes hits pretty well and can usually recover from a miss

[molten oasis]

If you’re not already half hp

[shadow wind]

This conversation is over Kyogre doesn’t get to complain about a single accuracy problem when water spout exists

[molten oasis]

You have to play kyogre to have it have max hp at all times or you have to rely on origin pulse

It’s how you have to play kyogre that pisses me off

[shadow wind]

Even if it’s 60 BP it’s stab in the rain coming off a 150 spatk

And like 3 types resists water

[molten oasis]

I’ve watched it do 30% to a CSR

And more often than not you need the damage to take ko’s

[shadow wind]

And I’ve seen Tera fire heat crash from Groudon do 20

Things happen

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[molten oasis]

I guess

[bold geode]

I love me a horse

[molten oasis]

Idk but I know I need spread damage, like yeah Mirai gets spread but I think the slot has to be ogre, a Mon I hate playing, or CSR, a Mon I just hate

[bold geode]

Who's Hayden

Peter, the Hayden is here

[dense latch]

reg i low ladder is interesting

[sudden remnant]

3 wins 5 losses this is not going well

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

At least they didn’t Tera ground…

[sudden remnant]

now this player has a special place in hell

they’re playing bolt balance perish trap

[molten oasis]

Fckn auto correct

Had an idea, could do a supportive CSR with Zac

[sudden remnant]

i lost

sighhhhh

[shadow wind]

With pollen puff

Or you just go like snarl wisp

I mean Zacian + supportive CSR won worlds so

How the heck do you kill Incin though

[sudden remnant]

i hate this game

im never playing reg f again this shit is ass

its the same 2 teams 😭

how is this shit fun

i dont have to do all of the matches right? cuz i am not enjoying this

HOW DO I DEAL WITH THIS FUCKING KOMMO-O

[molten oasis]

Shifu

And another Mon with shifu, probably your own incin

Or lando

[shadow wind]

Lando would probably be better

[sudden remnant]

tera steel kommo-o with lefties and sinistcha support and incin support

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO

[shadow wind]

One heat wave and he dies

[sudden remnant]

heat wave from what fucking mon

cuz my team is rain

[shadow wind]

Gang you’re crashing out to people who have no clue what you want them to say

And no one finds it funny or comical

[sudden remnant]

im not being funny

im asking a genuine question what mon do you think i have with heat wave

[shadow wind]

If it’s that much of an issue that you can’t control yourself maybe it’s time to find a new hobby

[molten oasis]

Bolt’s also ok into incin

Could do bolt maybe

[shadow wind]

Well you asked what to do about Tera fire Kommo with redirection

[sudden remnant]

tera steel

[shadow wind]

Bolt might be too passive if your plan is supportive Caly

Bolt hits real hard but not hard enough into mons like CSR

Sorry, CIR

I’m sure bolt can explode a CSR

[molten oasis]

I have zacian shifu and incin for CIR?

[shadow wind]

This is true

But if the plan is to use bolt for Incin I would suggest not doing that

People calc their Incins to live specs Miraidon moves

I doubt Bolt is outputting more

[molten oasis]

Ig

[shadow wind]

You really do just need something super explosive

https://pokepast.es/040ead165b7a1072

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/c67143d8d0ac13ad

[shadow wind]

Looks good to me

That is one slow shifu though

On paper Zacian seems super great

And then Incin 😔

[sudden remnant]

4 wins 6 losses 😑

[sudden remnant]

5 wins and 6 losses and im
done participating reg F is not fun bro

i can go play reg I in ladder right?

i mean i could if ogerpon wasnt locked in a gc team 🫩

[molten oasis]

It eats tclap

It’s nice

[shadow wind]

Dang actually?

I’m impressed

[sudden remnant]

why 2 genies

just curious

[shadow wind]

They have good synergy

Also Lando is great in Reg I and Torn enables a lot on that team

[molten oasis]

Damn wisp caly is so annoying for zama’s lol

[shadow wind]

And every other physical attacker ever

Wisp + Lando just wins

Either they’re burnt or they die to ep

[molten oasis]

Fr

[shadow wind]

I don’t know what happened to the ladder but #1 is like 60 above #2

That #1 dream is gone forever

Not like I was gunning for it anyway

[molten oasis]

Kinda ate shit for a bit but I’m learning

Team doesn’t like pao groudon and I played poorly into some Mirai team

[sudden remnant]

can we get a counter for everytime wolfey said “bug month” in his video from 9 hours ago

yo wolfey spitting bars. sometimes you need weakness to experience strength

[molten oasis]

I’m playing pollen puff

[shadow wind]

Yea I could see that

Thankfully Groudon isn’t that popular

[shadow wind]

Wait over what?

Snarl?

[molten oasis]

Yeah

It just doesn’t really get clicked

I click wisp plenty but snarl is never really used

[shadow wind]

Valid

Anything that’s special is still hitting like a truck

Oh no my specs Miraidon is only doing 98% at -1

[molten oasis]

Literally lol

[shadow wind]

Man sometimes my own Miraidon even surprises me

And it's scarfed

Scarf Mirai in bo1 cts is awesome

[stone trellis]

Wisp missed, Ice Rider killed Lando.

[vivid jungle]

Is cinderace by any means a decent / good competitive pick? I mean it's a pretty fast decently strong physical attacker, and Pyro Ball is a really strong move no?

[dense latch]

singles yes

doubles it's pretty bad and that's generous

[vivid jungle]

Mhm because it doesn't have any good role, learnable moves and abilities that are going for it, right?

[dense latch]

it just doesn’t have much of a niche

libero is not great post nerf

so yeah whatever role it can provide is pretty useless

[vivid jungle]

Yeah, I get that.. unfortunately most Pokemon competitive battles are in duos right? I'm pretty new to the comp scene and trying to find my way into it with Pokémon S/V

That being said, is a Pixilate Hyperbeam and hypervoice Sylveon nuke a good idea?

[warm estuary]

Yeah tournaments and competitive matches are doubles

[warm estuary]

Considering that sylveon isn’t really one of the best mons rn if you really wanna use it I would go with hyper voice throat spray, hyper beam does damage but then you can’t attack with sylveon so you put yourself in a big disadvantage

[vivid jungle]

The hyper beam thing is more of a meme build anyway xd, but yeah, with tailwind set up its reatively poor speed should outspeed most of the threats.. I think. Do you think whimsicott is a good support mon if I give it a speed nature etc? Because I think if I get sylveon set up I might be able to oneshot anything with that diabolical combo

[warm estuary]

Wow sylveon is really slow

It actually might work better in trick room

But yeah you can use it even in tailwind if you want

[warm estuary]

About whimsicott, yeah it’s a good mon maybe tornadus is better tho bc with whimsicott you repeat the fairy type you already have and tornadus has better stats

It’s your choice if to run trick room or tailwind but sylveon isn’t really a dedicated trick room mon so maybe going with tailwind better

[vivid jungle]

It surprised me too- but it's decently bulky with its special def and HP

Trick room might work, then I can use other slow mons as well

[warm estuary]

Yup

[vivid jungle]

Ooo like the plant steel type one, the really slow one

what was its name again-

[warm estuary]

Uhm I dunno

Best trick room mon rn is ursaluna by far

Oh wait

[vivid jungle]

Ferrothorn, with its giga slow stat

[warm estuary]

@vivid jungle are you playing on showdown or on in-game cartridge?

[vivid jungle]

I can just go gyroball and oneshot everything

[vivid jungle]

Scarlet and Violet Cartridge- at least planning on doing that as soon as I have a team ready

[warm estuary]

Ohhhh

Then it’s double restricted format

[vivid jungle]

yee, so no legendaries and mythicals

[warm estuary]

Double restricted means 2 legendary restricted

You can have 2 restricted legendary and as much as you want non restricted

[vivid jungle]

Ahhhh, okay okay. I guess I gotta look up a list of restricted ones

[warm estuary]

If you go on Pokemon showdown go to teambuilder and then choose vgc regulation I as the format you wanna play you can see all restricted mons

[vivid jungle]

Aye aye

[warm estuary]

Lemme know if you wanna know smt

[vivid jungle]

Maybe we could teambuild when you have some time-

[warm estuary]

If you have some ideas rn you can tell me I’ll give you feedback

Even if I’m a bit busy

[vivid jungle]

I'll definitely send you a DM when I have some ideas! :>

[warm estuary]

Here on the server other people could also give feedback but DM is alright

[vivid jungle]

Both is good

[stone trellis]

Both people in this conversation are dudes btw 🥀

[vivid jungle]

God forbid I try to get into comp pokemon with someone willing to help me 😭

[stone trellis]

That emoji + the message before it are what I'm referring to.

[warm estuary]

I didn’t even saw the emoji lmao

[warm estuary]

Anyway hi Paul

Are you playing the Grand challenge

[stone trellis]

Yes, I'm losing badly.

[vivid jungle]

Wait Trick room has negative prio but tailwind doesn't?

That throws me off by a lot TwT

[warm estuary]

Aw man😔

[vivid jungle]

I'm thinking about giving Whimsicott a Focus Sash and trying to set up trick room turn 1 with Sylveon protecting, is that too risky?

Cuz if Whimsicott dies my whole structure crumbles

[warm estuary]

Why whimsicott as a trick room setter

[vivid jungle]

I wanted to use Ferrothorn with it- but I just now found out that ferrothorn isn't in S/V so that idea is scrapped

You know Ferro has a 20 base initiative and with gyroball in trick room it could just deal insane damage

[warm estuary]

Yes but whimsicott isn’t really a trick room setter you know

Like it can use trick room but no one uses trick room

[vivid jungle]

I changed my tactic to Tailwind now- since I can't find any good trick room users lemme send you my team real quick

[vivid jungle]

Which Items are good for Miraidon and a Tailwind setter Whimsicott?

[next stump]

focus sash or covert cloak for whimsicott, choice specs for miraidon

if you're worried about using choice specs, life orb or assault vest are two options to consider

[vivid jungle]

Could Life orb be an alternative on Miraidon? Because I feel like choice specs are a pain

Oh yeah-

Thx ^^

[next stump]

yeah you can but you then need to make a choice between a move like volt switch or dazzling gleam

[vivid jungle]

I wanted to use volt switch yep, with choice specs my moveset wouldn't have much sense

[next stump]

what moveset are you running?

[vivid jungle]

Protect
Draco Meteor
Volt Switch
Electro Drift

[next stump]

ah okay, those would be the same moves you run on choice specs too just substitute protect for dazzling gleam

[vivid jungle]

Prolly because Miraidon is almost always faster right

[next stump]

yes and it does ridiculous damage with specs, let me find and share a damage calc

[vivid jungle]

It's just I'm kinda cautious about locking myself with Choice specs and then not having an alternative when someone switches in- and of course I wanna be able to use Volt switch freely because Miraidon will most likely outspeed anyone, so I get my intimidate off

[left bobcat]

LORB?

[next stump]

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 76 HP / 236 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands: 156-186 (65.2 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Just a gross pokemon, full defense investment Iron Hands and you pick up a KO if they have some chip on them