They don't even have evs, maybe it wasn't the first real team?
#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
LMAO
molten oasis
shadow wind
Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 52 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 156 SpD / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Punch
- Swords Dance
- Protect
foggy lodge
To hit Miraidon because ground coverage doesn't exist
dense latch
that’s a set
shadow wind
I was just having fun with the sliders at this point bro
molten oasis
Brother didn’t realize the power of heat crash lmao
shadow wind
Chatgpt type of set
dense latch
it has moves and evs that’s for sure
molten oasis
Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 5...
What on earth do those evs do
shadow wind
Only god knows at this point
foggy lodge
Chatgpt give me an ev spread for Groudon in regulation G
molten oasis
Chatgpt give me an ev spread for Groudon in regulation G
Do you still have it?
shadow wind
I bet it dies to tera fire lorb flare blitz from Koraidon
foggy lodge
Only god knows at this point
molten oasis
what doesn’t
dense latch
Chatgpt give me an ev spread for Groudon in regulation G
4/252/252 and it’ll throw in a mixed set or something
shadow wind
Normal Groudon sets
molten oasis
Fair enough
shadow wind
252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 132 HP / 28 Def Groudon in Sun: 203-239 (105.7 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Nah I take it back
This is why we tera fire bulk up
dense latch
i wish ferrothorn was in this game
foggy lodge
We calced sometime ago how much recoil would Koraidon take against Ferrothorn
shadow wind
One billion
dense latch
if ursh goes for surging onto a rocky helmet ferro it dies right
shadow wind
Yeah
foggy lodge
Uhh
dense latch
that’s so funny
shadow wind
Well actually depends on the hp number
foggy lodge
How much is rocky recoil
dense latch
1/6th
shadow wind
Might be left on 1 hp
foggy lodge
1/6 right
dense latch
Might be left on 1 hp
o right
foggy lodge
Yeah then it dies
shadow wind
Not always
foggy lodge
Pray for it to be life orb urshifu
shadow wind
Real
brisk crater
Urshifu needs to die bro😭
shadow wind
And then it does 13% to Ferrogoat
foggy lodge
How many pop bombs does Maushold get off against Ferrothorn
dense latch
we can abandon urshifu
brisk crater
Ive lost so many amazing setups to “well i cant protect because urshibum is gonna sweep”
shadow wind
How many pop bombs does Maushold get off against Ferrothorn
6 or 7 😔
dense latch
if it’s not rocky
shadow wind
If no rocky
dense latch
then just three or four like ursh
shadow wind
3 or 4 with
shadow wind
Cause fun fact 1/3rd = 1/3rd
dense latch
or you can just miss pop bomb 😎
dense latch
Cause fun fact 1/3rd = 1/3rd
no fucking way
shadow wind
You'd never believe me even if I explained
shadow wind
Fair enough
I wouldn't trust a guy who uses booster bolt on a sun team either
Rillaboom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 4 Def / 164 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Wood Hammer
- U-turn
- Fake Out
Or a guy who has used this set before
Looking back on my old teams is hurting me physically
Raging Bolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 20 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpA / 92 SpD / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Protect
I was ahead of my time lowkey
brisk crater
I wouldn't trust a guy who uses booster bolt on a sun team either
Bolt and mane on a sun team😭
brisk crater
But the sets are terrible on them
One drizzle and its over
shadow wind
Huh?
foggy lodge
only if one of them was an electric type to bit drizzle Pokémon...
shadow wind
Man I just hate when my team takes advantage of the gimmick of my restricted !!!!
Who would EVER put iron hands on a Miraidon team?????
brisk crater
only if one of them was an electric type to bit drizzle Pokémon...
Only if
shadow wind
One Gweezing and it's so over for my entire team
foggy lodge
Tbh it was also common for some teams to run booster Flutter with sun and sunny day
Just to patch up the Kyogre and Pelipper MU lmao
brisk crater
One Gweezing and it's so over for my entire team
I haven’t seen it much recently
foggy lodge
And also not depend much of sun to get the speed boost
foggy lodge
If Groudon is coming to all matches regardless then yeah LOL
shadow wind
If your restricted isn't coming to every match get a new restricted
brisk crater
Ive been hesitant to run sun recently bc kyogre is so rampant rn
foggy lodge
If your restricted isn't coming to every match get a new restricted
🫠
My zama not coming to 50% of CSR matches
shadow wind
And that's why Groudon is my goat !
brisk crater
And that's why Groudon is my goat !
Why is groudon so popular recrntly? Is it the tera fire?
Ive seen a lot of tera fire groudons in the lower portions of the ladder recently
shadow wind
Judging from these stats he came to every game ever
brisk crater
Damnnn
shadow wind
I love when my Pasrs exposes me for why I stopped playing a team
foggy lodge
LMAO
rustic mountain
beating good restricteds then losing to pagos: 
brisk crater
I havent played since launch. I came back around late november so im still learning the current meta
shadow wind
beating good restricteds then losing to pagos: <:jordanlaugh:701498698814849074>
Pagos is literally top 1 restricted ever
rustic mountain
groudon vs pagos its a mid off
foggy lodge
Tera bug Bolt too you were ahead of the meta Connee
shadow wind
I love when my Pasrs exposes me for why I stopped playing a team
Maya beat me in this image too 😔
shadow wind
Tera bug Bolt too you were ahead of the meta Connee
Honestly I was cooking with that
It's funny cause my current team uses tera bug Hands
Which is just more supportive bolt
brisk crater
Pagos is literally top 1 restricted ever
Its spread move is so annoying. One calm mind and its over
rustic mountain
Why is groudon so popular recrntly? Is it the tera fire?
do not be fooled groudon is not good
shadow wind
groudon vs pagos its a mid off
Both accompanied by Miraidon
foggy lodge
noo it is
shadow wind
And then both Miraidons struggle as they both clicked draco and tera fairy
shadow wind
Its spread move is so annoying. One calm mind and its over
Thank goodness it isn't stab
brisk crater
I run so much indeedee that i never have an issue with miraidons
rustic mountain
conner is just good w. groudon
brisk crater
Yeah no Groudon is not a top 5 restricted
Is ice rider trick room still popular. Ive seen a lot of ice rider but idk if theyre still going for trick room
shadow wind
Nah I'm actually only good with Groudon it's very true
foggy lodge
Maybe the way to get good is sticking for one year to a random mon and making it work in every format
rustic mountain
i mean wat format r u trynna get re accustomed to? reg f or reg i
shadow wind
Is ice rider trick room still popular. Ive seen a lot of ice rider but idk if th...
In Reg I it's usually soft TR with Miraidon but yeah CIR is very very strong still
rustic mountain
bit different on team archetypes and such
shadow wind
Maybe the way to get good is sticking for one year to a random mon and making it...
Worked for me
But then it caps your skill at around 70%
The Groudon skill ceiling only goes so high
rustic mountain
ahhh i mean id look at worlds teams from topcutexplorer and just go from there. idt the format has really progressed that much since no irl tours to really push the meta
foggy lodge
I'm becoming the best Alcremie player
brisk crater
In Reg I it's usually soft TR with Miraidon but yeah CIR is very very strong sti...
Im using a half and half team rn with a calyrex indeede tr mode and a fluttermane urshifu speed mode
shadow wind
Who's your other restricted?
rustic mountain
yea whose the other restricted
shadow wind
Kyogre seems smart there
I just encouraged CIR Kyogre 😔
Can't believe I would do such a thing
brisk crater
Who's your other restricted?
The restricteds on the team are calyrex ogerpon and urshifu but im close to making the urshifu a water stance and swapping ogerpon for kyogre since i already have redirection
foggy lodge
Conner
brisk crater
Its a pokepaste team so im tweaking it
foggy lodge
You have to make them play CIR Groudon,,z
shadow wind
The restricteds on the team are calyrex ogerpon and urshifu but im close to maki...
Ok so restricted doesn't equal legendary
Restricted is like a box legendary like Kyogre, Groudon, Koraidon, Miraidon
brisk crater
Ok so restricted doesn't equal legendary
I didnt know if ogerpon ks restricted or not
shadow wind
It is not
brisk crater
Ahh
foggy lodge
Its a minor legendary but not a restricted
shadow wind
You have to make them play CIR Groudon,,z
CIR Groudon is brain rot
rustic mountain
its not as conner said its box legends, they have higher bsts then usual legends
shadow wind
CIR Groudon just leads smeargle and prays they don't see Kyogre
rustic mountain
box legends is kinda not as accurate since like pagos isnt one but then not every dlc gives a restricted either
it used to be
shadow wind
Pagos, CIR, CSR are the exceptions
brisk crater
Is urshifu restricted i cant remember
shadow wind
Mewtwo and Kyurem I guess as well
upper zealot
no
rustic mountain
Is urshifu restricted i cant remember
nah
foggy lodge
Pagos, CIR, CSR are the exceptions
What about Zygarde
rustic mountain
restricted is like 680+ bst
brisk crater
Ah
foggy lodge
There's a list that included restricteds
shadow wind
Erm actually naked Calyred has 500 bst 🤓
rustic mountain
usually not allowed and wen they are its either 1 or 2 per team
foggy lodge
Its very small so it's not hard to learn
brisk crater
Its very small so it's not hard to learn
I never really payed attention to who was restricted or not
rustic mountain
imagine they put urshifu in restricted tier
shadow wind
They should
brisk crater
Absolutely
dense latch
woah it’s weird to see tree using a different color
rustic mountain
nah
shadow wind
And just ban Kyogre
rustic mountain
woah it’s weird to see tree using a different color
dude it just happened im so confused
brisk crater
It forces you to play around it so much its just too annoying
shadow wind
woah it’s weird to see tree using a different color
We've all been forced to be pink 😔
rustic mountain
i said nice to conner for winning a tour
and then got some heart react and my name color changed
shadow wind
I just I loved hands for living 2 +1 fiery dances in the sun from a volc and was then pink
brisk crater
On showdown im running the most cancer team that is held together by literally duct tape and a dream
shadow wind
Maybe that's a valid reason actually
dense latch
forced pinkification
shadow wind
Low kick isn't as valuable
foggy lodge
dense latch
it just feels off to use like where does it fit in a team
rustic mountain
low kick was a last minute addition ppl put in in reg i thats not it
shadow wind
On showdown im running the most cancer team that is held together by literally d...
My teams held together with my love for Groudon so there's definitely worse options
foggy lodge
hands is kinda ass in reg f its weird
Fun fact the only Hands that made too cut at EUIC was goggles swords dance in hard TR
shadow wind
low kick was a last minute addition ppl put in in reg i thats not it
Wait what did they run before?
rustic mountain
Fun fact the only Hands that made too cut at EUIC was goggles swords dance in ha...
haha yea i think i remember that team
foggy lodge
Wait what did they run before?
Heavy slam
shadow wind
Oh right
foggy lodge
Or close combat
rustic mountain
collins was running it
brisk crater
My teams held together with my love for Groudon so there's definitely worse opti...
Ive got caly-s chi-yu koraidon flutter mane landorus and whinsicott
foggy lodge
I think the japanese player that bubbled top cut was running Hands too
shadow wind
Landorus is weird there but that's just a real team
foggy lodge
EUIC just didn't want Hands
rustic mountain
good one
shadow wind
The very first iron hands in my builder has low kick
From a random Terapagos team I made for someone
With Chandelure 😭
foggy lodge
The Zama desperation
shadow wind
Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Wild Charge
- Drain Punch
- Low Kick
- Fake Out
brisk crater
Landorus is weird there but that's just a real team
True i think the landorus is the reason im just not so sure with the team
rustic mountain
it was pretty uncommon for hands for awhile especially since it was good way before restricted formats
low kick isnt good in lower power formats
shadow wind
I been on that tera bug wavelength since day 1
brisk crater
True i think the landorus is the reason im just not so sure with the team
And i cant decide if i want to give my sash to caly-s or whimsicott ive been back and forth
rustic mountain
but its more then that, hands just isnt as effective in reg f at what u need
rustic mountain
nd threatened by a looooot
brisk crater
but its more then that, hands just isnt as effective in reg f at what u need
Ive never had much trouble with hands
foggy lodge
Its usable but it loses to so much stuff you have to find the team that beats those stuff while Hands also putting work against the stuff it doesn't lose to
rustic mountain
its a good mon reg f just isnt really a format for it outside niche teams like hard tr that mak mentioned
shadow wind
Like it gets clowned on by 90% of the meta mons
brisk crater
Should i run booster on fluttermane even with the koraidon on the team or do i keep the specs
dense latch
future paradox moms have it hard
rustic mountain
Should i run booster on fluttermane even with the koraidon on the team or do i k...
specs prolly fine, test it out
dense latch
Should i run booster on fluttermane even with the koraidon on the team or do i k...
i’d say sash it
shadow wind
Eterrain is pretty hard to use outside of Miraidon
foggy lodge
If only Tapu Koko was here
shadow wind
Koko with future mons would be sick
brisk crater
i’d say sash it
Im already having trouble with my sash its not going to mane
rustic mountain
idt koko would get much play
dense latch
we needed the tapus
brisk crater
I cant decide if whimsicott gets the sash or calyrex
shadow wind
idt koko would get much play
Honestly this is true
foggy lodge
Tapu Lele is too broken tho I'm not too sad that the Tapus didn't come back LOL
dense latch
i miss tapu fini
rustic mountain
Tapu Lele is too broken tho I'm not too sad that the Tapus didn't come back LOL
no its not haha
shadow wind
Rillaboom causes problems for Tapu Koko's older brother
rustic mountain
its strong but its a glass canon
brisk crater
I cant decide if whimsicott gets the sash or calyrex
Calyrex is too frail but whimsicott has missed many tailwind and fake tears opportunities due to a bad switch in or ohko
shadow wind
I can't imagine it'd do any better
foggy lodge
Yeah but it would leave Indeedee male unemployed
shadow wind
Thank god
foggy lodge
And I like him
dense latch
in the formats i played where it was allowed i hardly saw it it was more gen 7 i think
shadow wind
Hate that guy
rustic mountain
I can't imagine it'd do any better
not even that like wat r u running it w.?
dense latch
i maybe saw lele in like early series 10
brisk crater
Yeah but it would leave Indeedee male unemployed
Shout out to psychic terrain expanding force
shadow wind
not even that like wat r u running it w.?
Future mons I guess?
dense latch
i tried it with specs that was fun
foggy lodge
Didn't Lele get expanding force in gen 8
shadow wind
No
dense latch
nah
foggy lodge
Ah so then both Indeedees are better LOL
brisk crater
If i want expanding force psychic terrain i run deedee and lunala
dense latch
like how bulu didn’t get glide
shadow wind
Lowkey give bulu a signature move that is just old glide
Still be worse than Rilla but whatever
foggy lodge
Bulu punch
shadow wind
Bulu blast
rustic mountain
Future mons I guess?
which ones? ones that compound weaknesses for not much benefit? or ones thar arent as good and dont stack up
sure rising voltage bolt is cool till u have 2 electric types on the field
shadow wind
Treads?
rustic mountain
crown w/ no e force
brisk crater
Im actually so glad xerneas wasnt legal this gen
foggy lodge
Idk if Koko would survive in this meta with so many terrain changes too
shadow wind
252 Atk Tera Bug Iron Treads Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rillaboom: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
Like Miraidon Rilla and Indeedee obviously did cuz they are good mons
shadow wind
My goat
foggy lodge
But Koko is a bit weak so ehh
rustic mountain
dude wat is w/ u and tera bug
foggy lodge
252 Atk Tera Bug Iron Treads Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rillaboom: 204-240 (98....
Slap a life orb and you are fine
brisk crater
But Koko is a bit weak so ehh
Would koko be decent this gen or is he outclassed by miraidon
shadow wind
And tera bug to "wall" Zama on some mons is so awesome
It's a big reason why I like bug hands
foggy lodge
Would koko be decent this gen or is he outclassed by miraidon
Yeah Miraidon is just way better
tiny karmaBOT
rustic mountain
even in formats where miraidon isnt there idt it would b that great
brisk crater
Yeah Miraidon is just way better
Honestly once paradox Pokemon and tera are gone miraidon and koraidon will lose a good bit of value
shadow wind
Bro got the Lando treatment without hadron engine
rustic mountain
i think fini and lele would b solid tho
shadow wind
i think fini and lele would b solid tho
Fini would pop off
brisk crater
I played some 2019 with it
I liked it a good bit
foggy lodge
The electric moves did so much damage
rustic mountain
koko was good in 2019 from wat id seen
shadow wind
Hardest Urshifu wall since uh
foggy lodge
Dazzling gleam hitted like a wet noodle
shadow wind
Koko was way way better with z moves
brisk crater
I liked pairing it with regileki
foggy lodge
The terrains nerf was so big for it
shadow wind
Yup
rustic mountain
?
shadow wind
Imagine pre nerf grassy glide with pre nerf grassy terrain
foggy lodge
💀💀
brisk crater
Imagine pre nerf grassy glide with pre nerf grassy terrain
Rillaboom would be so fucking broken💀
shadow wind
And in moments like this I thank the lord
foggy lodge
+2 atk hearthflame
shadow wind
+3
brisk crater
I thank the lord that snow isnt as common as it could be
shadow wind
Pink !
brisk crater
Pink!
shadow wind
It comes for everyone
foggy lodge
I hate snow
shadow wind
Inevitable
foggy lodge
But I think I hate A9 more
brisk crater
Is there an ability for snow setup?
shadow wind
I hate snow
Me too(Canada moment 😔 )
foggy lodge
A9 is only cool when I use it
rustic mountain
Is there an ability for snow setup?
snow warning
shadow wind
Is there an ability for snow setup?
Snow warning
rustic mountain
too late
shadow wind
I was on cooldown
rustic mountain
sucks
foggy lodge
And I don't even use it as a snow blizzard abuser its just to get rid of other weathers
shadow wind
It does infact suck
brisk crater
snow warning
I keep forgetting hail is now snow and not a seperate thing
shadow wind
And encore disable
Average challenge cup 1v1 player
rustic mountain
snows held back by its lack of abusers (good ones)
shadow wind
I miss Cetitan
brisk crater
And encore disable
Ive done that before
foggy lodge
And setters
rustic mountain
I keep forgetting hail is now snow and not a seperate thing
it was called that even b4 too tho haha
brisk crater
it was called that even b4 too tho haha
Ik, but when i think of the ability i think of hail
rustic mountain
frostbite replacing freeze wen
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
frostbite replacing freeze wen
Actually though
brisk crater
Would snow with calyrex be viable at all or are there just way better options
brisk crater
frostbite replacing freeze wen
They need to nerf paralysis
shadow wind
There's no special intimidate, there's no frostbite, there's special moves for days on every mon, WHEN WILL IT END
foggy lodge
It doesn't get a very big buff from snow as you would think
rustic mountain
They need to nerf paralysis
they did lol
brisk crater
they did lol
Like more
rustic mountain
eh
shadow wind
Nerf the whole special category
foggy lodge
It gives it a defense boost but it doesn't run blizzard because its a physical attacker and due to its bad typing you often are forced to tera it and then losing the defense boost
brisk crater
Cutting speed like that is already annoying as hell and now i cant move 1/4 moves
rustic mountain
There's no special intimidate, there's no frostbite, there's special moves for d...
haha yea i think the issue w/ special intimidate is mon distribution
brisk crater
Ive had so many frustrating games with a prankster paralysis opponent
rustic mountain
u put it on 1 mon, it makes them too good in a sense they had 4 gens to build intimidate mons b4 vgc was even in the early stages
shadow wind
Yup
rustic mountain
its tougher to implement now
shadow wind
Unless the ended up changing a whole bunch of mons from prior gens to have it
But that's too much work for them
rustic mountain
Ive had so many frustrating games with a prankster paralysis opponent
gta know how to maneuver around it
shadow wind
Cough cough Farigiraf
rustic mountain
and sometimes yea u just get rng'd and then u look how u can approach it differently
brisk crater
and sometimes yea u just get rng'd and then u look how u can approach it differe...
Yeah scenarios like that ie why i usually run redirection
shadow wind
So happy neither of my restricteds can get para'd
rustic mountain
thats certainly 1 way
foggy lodge
Twave Flutter is the one of the reasons I use Bolt lol I hate paralyze
rustic mountain
So happy neither of my restricteds can get para'd
ill just bait out the tera 
brisk crater
I usually run goggles on indeedee to avoid sleep
shadow wind
ill just bait out the tera <:peepoglad:802777465101353020>
Very easy with Groudon
brisk crater
Either psychic seed or goggles
brisk crater
Twave Flutter is the one of the reasons I use Bolt lol I hate paralyze
I dont see twave flutter too much
shadow wind
Show any fire type special attacker and that tera button is getting clicked instantly
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
I dont see twave flutter too much
its very strong in reg f
the current rl format
brisk crater
Ah
rustic mountain
t wave grimm in swsh was fun
brisk crater
Is scarlet and violet on reg i still
shadow wind
I have flooded the munchstats Groudon numbers
rustic mountain
Is scarlet and violet on reg i still
for in game ladder yea
shadow wind
Like half of those are losses
brisk crater
for in game ladder yea
Ok ok
shadow wind
I'm a bum
brisk crater
I play reg i showdown
foggy lodge
lmfao
brisk crater
I play reg i showdown
Just for team building
rustic mountain
yea sd is great for that
shadow wind
Actually me losing is probably why those replays are such high elo
I hate how the elo system records on replays
Takes the lowest persons elo AFTER the game ends
brisk crater
Ive been running so much random doubles with a friend and its lowk so much fun when just messing around on call.
shadow wind
So I could have 1600 and match a 1350 then win and now it's a 1343 elo replay
brisk crater
I never messed around with many of the other fomats other than the current reg or series
brisk crater
So I could have 1600 and match a 1350 then win and now it's a 1343 elo replay
I was at 1350 tonight now im at 1120
shadow wind
I was at 1582 earlier and now I'm at 1599
shadow wind
I did a single game to prevent decay
rustic mountain
So I could have 1600 and match a 1350 then win and now it's a 1343 elo replay
prolly to make it more accurate on higher ladder interactions. cant really call it a 1700s match if they r matchin w/ some1 at 1590
brisk crater
Isnt top of reg i rn like 1600
shadow wind
Also I think they should take the elos before the game
shadow wind
Isnt top of reg i rn like 1600
Top like 40 is inflated compared to the rest so kinda
brisk crater
Top like 40 is inflated compared to the rest so kinda
Yeah
But im never seeing that😂✌️
shadow wind
There's 129 elo between 30th and 1st
And then less than 100 elo difference between 500th and 200th
brisk crater
There's 129 elo between 30th and 1st
I usually hover around 1280 to 1350, im no where near hiw good i used to be
shadow wind
It only actually super shoots up at top 5 usually
rustic mountain
Also I think they should take the elos before the game
i think they should ban groudon and replace it w/ a mon called soundon thats just a stereo w/ the turn off button broken and the only sound type they ever introduce
shadow wind
Soundon 🔥
brisk crater
It only actually super shoots up at top 5 usually
Would 1350 be considered average for reg i?
shadow wind
Uhh
Honestly I have no clue what's "average" anymore
Feels like anyone can do anything nowadays
brisk crater
Honestly I have no clue what's "average" anymore
Yeah and elo is so inconsistent at times i hardly pay attention to it
brisk crater
But top 500 is about 1420
Yeah
shadow wind
Gxe is usually a better metric
rustic mountain
bo1 reg i ladder is weird wow top 500 is 1400s
rustic mountain
yea id say 1300s is average generally, would prolly b slightly above average relative to the current reg i ladder i guess tho
shadow wind
Yeah cause t500 isn't average I'd say
rustic mountain
right
shadow wind
But also ladder "checkpoints" are pretty meaningless
brisk crater
Even when i fall down to 1100’s some players are still really damn good
brisk crater
But also ladder "checkpoints" are pretty meaningless
Bc you will fall right back down in 5 games
shadow wind
As cool as it is to say "I'm Top 40 on the ladder !!" I'm happier that I'm just playing somewhat consistent
rustic mountain
idk if im ever playin some1 really good at 1100 unless its like a very rare one off or the ladder just started
shadow wind
Swear that when I'm at 1000 starting a new account or whatever it's either a 4 year old on the sticks or Paul Chua
rustic mountain
As cool as it is to say "I'm Top 40 on the ladder !!" I'm happier that I'm just ...
100% but usually one equates to the other but its not absolute
shadow wind
But also restricted formats especially Reg I are terrible for gauging skill based on elo
brisk crater
idk if im ever playin some1 really good at 1100 unless its like a very rare one ...
Most of the time i will sweep but there have been teams at 1000-1200 that have lowk left me stunned on how quick they got me
shadow wind
Cause 1 bad turn a game doesn't mean you're a bad player
brisk crater
True
shadow wind
But 1 bad turn in Reg I means you lose 84% of the time
rustic mountain
i think low ladder is a good test of if ur team sucks
brisk crater
Im lowk a decent player just an awful team builder
rustic mountain
if u cant get past the garbage u prolly rnt beating the things above that
shadow wind
I'd agree in Bo3 but Bo1 cts low elo is so much harder than mid range
The tera ground scarf annihilapes live there
rustic mountain
i think ur just too used to ots
brisk crater
i think low ladder is a good test of if ur team sucks
What would you say is low ladder. 1,000-11000?
shadow wind
i think ur just too used to ots
I crutch on it hard
rustic mountain
again depends on the ladder but usually its 1000-1400s
shadow wind
What would you say is low ladder. 1,000-11000?
Depends on the ladder but anything below 1400 is generally low
But again if the ladder is fresh 1300 could be top 20
rustic mountain
yea
brisk crater
Depends on the ladder but anything below 1400 is generally low
True
shadow wind
What's your gxe?
brisk crater
What's your gxe?
I havent checked
shadow wind
The temptation to play one more game is haunting me currently
rustic mountain
lmao
shadow wind
1599 hurts to see
rustic mountain
then win
shadow wind
But 33rd does not !
shadow wind
Nah cause the moment I go into a match I'm frame 1 seeing CIR Kyogre and getting 4-0'd because I got turn 1 wrong
Man I wish it was -18
It'd be like -26 minimum
brisk crater
49.5%
rustic mountain
try nd jus use good teams reacclimate urself w/ the meta nd build good habits rn
topcutexplorer has pastes on worlds teams
id imagine the wr prolly has to do w/ u not using 2 restricteds
brisk crater
Yeah ive been trying to used weird off meta teams but the last two sessions ive been climbing with a meta team
Just had an awful loss streak that plummeted me back down to 1150
rustic mountain
off metas fine if u know wat ur doin but u gta atleast know the meta and what makes good teams work first
teambuilding is a skill in and of itself, a lot of the best players rnt good teambuilders
its also usually a collaborative effort
brisk crater
Yeah ive been trying to improve my teambuilding and i absolutely have but when i wanna lock in i just run to pokepaste reddit posts and find a calyrex indeedee soft tr team
brisk crater
its also usually a collaborative effort
Most of my teams come directly from pikalytics
brisk crater
Especially my evs
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2541289394-jy57box5uccnf70upq...
shadow wind
That entire game I made the right play every turn
brisk crater
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2541289394-jy57box5uccnf70upq...
I love zama + pao
rustic mountain
zamas cool
brisk crater
Ruination + bodypress can be really really nice
And wide guard support plus terrain killer is always awesome
rustic mountain
i played like csr zama all thru reg i 1
shadow wind
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYw7V2CXQAQc6PH?format=jpg&name=900x900
To summarize I called no tera turn 1, psychic'd into pao slot turn 2 to catch the Amoonguss switch in while hard switching in Groudon to kill the Amoonguss next turn, then called another protect and killed the Amoonguss, they then double protected to pretty much win, I then tera fire to not die to ice spinner from pao, I then call the protect on CSR and volt switch into the Pao to leave it a 1v3
Legit just called every turn right
And then the double was going to end my life
Used to pray for times like this
brisk crater
Idk how someone reads protects like that. Like that is some mind reading shit right there
rustic mountain
bruh really typed out the paragraph 
shadow wind
Cinema
rustic mountain
Honestly probably easier to just watch the replay 😭
i like how u came to this realization post paragraph
foggy lodge
shadow wind
I'm just stoked I won
rustic mountain
steven gramps
shadow wind
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2541166203-ue6vt6nwxxbbm3x...
Reminds of when I just wood hammer the random Rillaboom because they have Kyogre in the back
"Obviously they'll ivy cudgel the grass type in the sun"
Nah I want my 187 bp wood hammer going straight into that fishy face
rustic mountain
kinda a letdown its not groudon gaming vs steven gramps
shadow wind
I just wanted to be myself for a while
rustic mountain
ur not groudon? wow
shadow wind
Groudon is me and I am Groudon
But since I'm not taking vgc seriously right now I'm myself
shadow wind
Once I'm making teams and innovating I'll go back to stupid names
I don't know which account I like more though
rustic mountain
But since I'm not taking vgc seriously right now I'm myself
shadow wind
John Groudon vs. GG=Groudon Gaming
brisk crater
John Groudon vs. GG=Groudon Gaming
How big is your obsession with groudon
shadow wind
Too big
brisk crater
Surely not as big as my indeedee obsession
rustic mountain
if only u knew
brisk crater
Indeedee ice rider is so much fun to play its not even funny even though its kinda washed now
rustic mountain
indeedee atleast good in most formats
shadow wind
If that's washed then Groudon might as well be dead at the bottom of the ocean
CIR Indeedee is very strong still
brisk crater
indeedee atleast good in most formats
Its toolkits just too good. Terrain that blocks fake out, helping hand, redirection, trick room
shadow wind
It's probably the most consistent tr setup available
rustic mountain
its one of the shiny alpha hunts i gta do in za still 
brisk crater
It's probably the most consistent tr setup available
Exactly with it having tr along with calyrex i can proect calyrex first turn and tr with indeedee if they try to counter with spread
rustic mountain
maybe not actually since 0 speed will b annoying 
brisk crater
Or if tr is almost done and im reading a protect i can just double trick room
Its rare but awesome to pull off
shadow wind
165-87
rustic mountain
i love callin tr players out on that
shadow wind
You know it could be better but I did a lot of hovering
shadow wind
😔
brisk crater
How would 0 speed even work
rustic mountain
for indeedee? wdym
its a tr setter u want it to b slow, nd also to win terrain wars t1
rustic mountain
nah like 0 speed iv
shadow wind
its a tr setter u want it to b slow, nd also to win terrain wars t1
Bringing the iron ball Rillaboom out of the archives
brisk crater
Yeah i always run slow indeedee to win terrain
brisk crater
nah like 0 speed iv
Yeah yeah i see whag you mean
tiny karmaBOT
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
Speed tie of the century
brisk crater
Yeah
shadow wind
Current day Primals
rustic mountain
yea but rillas rnt running 0 speed so u get the edge
brisk crater
But people dont run negative speed rillaboom much
shadow wind
Why are Rillabooms stats so good
rustic mountain
so good? they r solid
brisk crater
yea but rillas rnt running 0 speed so u get the edge
Exactly, my first indeedee didnt even have 0 ivs i think it was like mid ivs but it still worked
rustic mountain
mids fine too, as long as u know ur speed tierings
shadow wind
so good? they r solid
For a starter they're super minmaxed and just overall great
brisk crater
mids fine too, as long as u know ur speed tierings
Yeah it was low iv but i wanted the shiny and i knew i won terrain.
Esp since this was sword and shield
shadow wind
Like an effective bst of 470 is pretty darn good for a starter
The 70 spdef is the only weak part about them and that gets solved with an av
rustic mountain
i think its stats r solid but so good kinda a stretch, its ability + fake out nd mono grass typing (which is oddly good) also add a lot
shadow wind
That's true
brisk crater
Rillaboom can also add value by shutting off electric teams
shadow wind
Like those stats on any other mon would be decently mediocre
foggy lodge
The first three stats are super good but the rest are eh
125 attack for a starter and having grassy surge is a lot
brisk crater
When i ran miraidon a lot of rillabooms would throw him out to cancel my terrain even though id hold mkraidon in the back
rustic mountain
Like those stats on any other mon would be decently mediocre
i think ur right the stat distribution is good for a starter idt its necessarily mid its just not outright like wow these r great
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
I think it's the 125 attack that's putting me off
brisk crater
Fairly common move but it's disgusting
Is the most common moveset grassly glide wood hammer fake out u-turn
shadow wind
Cause like 125 is 5 short of Urshifu
foggy lodge
It has more atk than Ogerpon
And Ogerpon gets the mask boost but Rilla gets the terrain boost
rustic mountain
but yea its all those added up that make it a really nice support mon that also can do good damage wen needed which separates it as well from other support pieces
shadow wind
And 130 is the tipping point for slightly worse than amazing attacking stats
brisk crater
It does but rillas seem so frail in this reg with so many high special attacking mons
shadow wind
Item named av 😔
brisk crater
True true
shadow wind
And Ogerpon gets the mask boost but Rilla gets the terrain boost
And sometimes Ogerpon gets both
I love my 187 bp wood hammer
brisk crater
Still i never seem to have much issue with rillaboom with wood hammer honestly
shadow wind
+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Wood Hammer vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice in Grassy Terrain: 153-181 (74.2 - 87.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
brisk crater
Maybe its bc people at my tier dont know how to play it ig
brisk crater
I hate that horse
I love that horse😒
shadow wind
Maybe its bc people at my tier dont know how to play it ig
Rillaboom is definitely a higher skill floor mon
Making good use u turn is very difficult a lot of the time
brisk crater
Let me have my 100% accurate spread move and diet moxie boost
rustic mountain
moxie is the diet as one boost
shadow wind
Unless you're my opponent and you lead it into my Miraidon Farig and then u turn crit my Farig for 45 every time
brisk crater
moxie is the diet as one boost
Moxie came first so thats why i say that
rustic mountain
as one has 2 abilities is all
shadow wind
As one made the universe what are you talking about?
brisk crater
As one made the universe what are you talking about?
True
shadow wind
That ability could solve world hunger if it wanted to
brisk crater
Unnerve is just the cherry on top
foggy lodge
Unnerve being the secondary as one ability
rustic mountain
unnerve underrated wen its ur secondary ability
foggy lodge
They just gave Calyrex unnerve as the second ability to aura farm in front of Mewtwo
rustic mountain
lmao
shadow wind
It's crazy how impactful it is
rustic mountain
csr is just mewtwo but better in every way
brisk crater
At least with ice rider it feels like j can be countered. Shadow rider you just lead with it and chi-yu and click astral barrage and watch
foggy lodge
Yeah unnerve is actually a super good ability for the Calyrex
rustic mountain
csr is fine
shadow wind
Also Neutralizing gas not working is so dumb
foggy lodge
The Calys alone killed almost all berries
rustic mountain
tera exaggerates a lot of its strengths
brisk crater
csr is fine
Csr is waaaay more oppressive than ice
shadow wind
Absolutely zero reason for that other than "We NEED you to buy the dlcs"
foggy lodge
Except sitrus on some mons
brisk crater
tera exaggerates a lot of its strengths
It was annoying wven in sword and shield
rustic mountain
Csr is waaaay more oppressive than ice
it has counters tho
brisk crater
Twra just made the problem worse
rustic mountain
csr was not that good in swsh
foggy lodge
Idk I feel CIR more oppresive than CSR xd
shadow wind
CSR is more oppressive but CIR makes me more depressed
brisk crater
csr was not that good in swsh
I remember it being pretty damn good
But maybe im remembering weong
rustic mountain
wen
foggy lodge
Takes the double amount of damage and hits as hard as CSR while having the best speed control move
shadow wind
When it won worlds over Groudon 😔
brisk crater
Swsh ice was definitely stronger
shadow wind
My goat has choked worlds twice
rustic mountain
it did win worlds ill give that but edu was very good w. his team. its not that csr was bad but it didnt dominate swsh
zacian did
shadow wind
Yeah
shadow wind
I never witnessed prime Zacian
foggy lodge
it did win worlds ill give that but edu was very good w. his team. its not that ...
Did you see that Juanfi won Santiago undefeated
brisk crater
I never witnessed prime Zacian
Be glad
foggy lodge
Okay so about that
brisk crater
Now its WASHED. But prine zacien was horror story material
foggy lodge
A lot of people came out saying like "hey I also won a regional undefeated back in 2020 idk"
And I remembered this
brisk crater
Gastrodon🥹
rustic mountain
haha
brisk crater
Prime kartana though
foggy lodge
Yeah worlds 2022
rustic mountain
2023 d1 it says
shadow wind
I like Gastrodon
foggy lodge
Ah yeah because the prize for making top 8 at worlds 2022 was skipping day 1 of next worlds
foggy lodge
Honestly
Idk if its a hot take in the end I don't compete so I maybe don't get it
But skipping day 1 was too much man
The advantage was super big compared
rustic mountain
idt its a hot take
i think every worlds winner skipped day 1 or the number was very high
brisk crater
Whats the sevantage of skipping day 1 ive never olayed in person
shadow wind
You don't need to win loads of games
brisk crater
Ahhh
rustic mountain
not tru
shadow wind
?
rustic mountain
but yea less games is a big help
brisk crater
Im thinking about to the regional happening near me so i can see what an in person event is like
shadow wind
Less games = less chances for misses and less chances for horrible mus
Obviously that can happen day 2
foggy lodge
Im thinking about to the regional happening near me so i can see what an in pers...
Its fun if you can afford it
rustic mountain
ok sure u said 0 chances for luck to screw u originally tho haha
foggy lodge
Tho personally I would go to locals first
brisk crater
Its fun if you can afford it
I wouldnt place at all but it would be fun
rustic mountain
well yea if ur not playing ofc
shadow wind
That was my whole point
brisk crater
Yeah i wouldnt place
shadow wind
I worded it pretty badly though
rustic mountain
i get wat u mean now
brisk crater
Yeah
foggy lodge
You can go as an spectator
rustic mountain
yea its a huge advantage idt many players would argue against that
foggy lodge
Tho u still have to pay lol but I think it's cheap
brisk crater
Its the houston regionals. Literally 20 mins from me
brisk crater
Tho u still have to pay lol but I think it's cheap
I doubt its much
shadow wind
yea its a huge advantage idt many players would argue against that
If anyone argued against it they have no clue what they're talking about
foggy lodge
I think here for Santiago it was like
shadow wind
I think the closest regional for me would be vancouver
foggy lodge
10-15$
shadow wind
Cheeky little 13 hour drive
brisk crater
20$ bc george r brown always charges the event planners tons
shadow wind
I just love Canadian regionals
rustic mountain
im hopin to go to some regionals once champions hits
shadow wind
Aka let's go anywhere but the middle
brisk crater
I already know the facility as well bc its where i go for fashion conventions so i wouldnt see why i wouldnt go
rustic mountain
Aka let's go anywhere but the middle
well yea theres like nothing there
shadow wind
Give me a Calgary Regional
foggy lodge
How many regionals does Canada have
rustic mountain
the further u go up in canada its less and less
shadow wind
How many regionals does Canada have
2?
brisk crater
How many regionals does Canada have
Ik torronto
shadow wind
Toronto and Vancouver
foggy lodge
Vancouver and?
rustic mountain
yea usually 2
foggy lodge
Oh Toronto right
shadow wind
the further u go up in canada its less and less
It's like barely even true
Calgary has double the people in Vancouver
brisk crater
I should honestly look for local events though, ive always wanted to compete in person but ive always done it online
foggy lodge
Yeah but does Calgary have a mario kart track
shadow wind
It has lots of homeless people
rustic mountain
shadow wind
The hockey there is pretty cool
rustic mountain
this is a graphic of population density ^
brisk crater
Tim hortons
rustic mountain
the middle has like nothing dude
brisk crater
Wait whats the differences between in person events and online events
shadow wind
I know it isn't the capitol of Alberta but it has the most people
rustic mountain
in person pays for top placements worlds qualification if u win and more championship points
foggy lodge
Wait whats the differences between in person events and online events
That in person events are in person
🔥
shadow wind
https://df16bd12.delivery.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/canada-populat...
Why does the west have to be so incredibly populated 😔
foggy lodge
Honestly I think players cup should be back
brisk crater
I would say me being socially awkward and borderline mute irl would hold me bsck but all pokemon fans are socially awkward
foggy lodge
Not be treated like regionals but online tournaments were cool
shadow wind
I mean they have the victory road tours right?
brisk crater
Not be treated like regionals but online tournaments were cool
Yeah they are easier to get into and have lower skilled players but god they were so much fun
rustic mountain
I would say me being socially awkward and borderline mute irl would hold me bsck...
no we arent but i also wouldnt let that hold u back if its something u wanna do
foggy lodge
I mean they have the victory road tours right?
Yeah but they are not the same
shadow wind
Fair
rustic mountain
regionals are fun, u dont necessarily have to talk if u dont want to
brisk crater
no we arent but i also wouldnt let that hold u back if its something u wanna do
Thanks random person on the internet for the motivation 👍
gentle cragBOT
Thanks random person on the internet for the motivation 👍
spinning_fish has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
shadow wind
I wish I could go to even locals
foggy lodge
In my experience the VGC community is super nice
shadow wind
Too bad Canada is Canada
foggy lodge
At the local I went alone some group adopted me they are cool
brisk crater
I wish I could go to even locals
My school held a local earlier this year😭
rustic mountain
At the local I went alone some group adopted me they are cool
thats cool
shadow wind
High school or college?
brisk crater
High school or college?
Hs, im a senior
shadow wind
Yeah my high school had about 300 kids in it
rustic mountain
2-2-2 never leaves it just changes partners
brisk crater
No one was very good i kinda swept it with a rental i found that morning. Yeah they allowed rentals
shadow wind
I don't think we had a single club that wasn't a sport or band
brisk crater
Yeah my high school had about 300 kids in it
Im in texas mine has 4700
shadow wind
Jeez
brisk crater
Yeah texas highschoole man
shadow wind
That's double the people that live in my town
brisk crater
Im heading off though
foggy lodge
You fill the niche of being the Groudon fan of your town
brisk crater
Great talk
shadow wind
You fill the niche of being the Groudon fan of your town
An unfortunate niche to fill but someone had to do it
brisk crater
You fill the niche of being the Groudon fan of your town
Im probably still the #1 indeedee fan in my area despite how bit it is
Every little scrap of indeedee merch there is i have
foggy lodge
The Indeedee plushes are so hard to get all the hard TR fans buy them in mass
rustic mountain
indeedee f or indeedee m
rustic mountain
gotcha
brisk crater
But i have the plushies of both
shadow wind
Do you guys mess with the new computer background?
rustic mountain
i own 0 plushies
foggy lodge
LMAO
shadow wind
i own 0 plushies
Same but I have 2 of the like dynamic Groudon guys
rustic mountain
Do you guys mess with the new computer background?
replace her w/ don and its a classic
shadow wind
That's such a good idea
brisk crater
I also have a fascination with maids in fashion so that helps with me loving indeedee bc its based off a maid
foggy lodge
I bought a Fuecoco plush last week
brisk crater
Anyways gn
foggy lodge
Some kid grabbed it before me and then threw it
And then I picked it up and bought it
rustic mountain
yea nothing against plushies just dont really want em myself
foggy lodge
Fair
foggy lodge
I want an Alcremie one
Idk why I like Alcremie it hurts because its such a useless mon lmao
rustic mountain
it had a niche in swsh
now w/ smeargle its decorate niche got filled
alex underhill and i think justin burns were running it w/ cir to some success
foggy lodge
Why does Smeargle ruin everything I like
rustic mountain
smeargle does that
foggy lodge
I think someone day 2'd an IC with Alcremie in SV
But it was like just hard TR decorate bor
Smeargle but a bit slower ig
rustic mountain
yea i guess
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Cause I truly am just doing it for don
rustic mountain
i like how the card is just covered
shadow wind
Yeah I didn't make the original but if I did I'd probably make some tweaks
rustic mountain
ahhh gotcha
shadow wind
But I think there's some heart in this one
rustic mountain
was gna say u should add a dialogue box saying precipice blades missed
foggy lodge
You are the Groudon connoisseur
shadow wind
rustic mountain
dont even get the references fully
shadow wind
I've had people explain pretty much the series multiple times
shadow wind
Lots of people I know have seen it for some reason
shadow wind
no wonder u didnt finish it
Yeah it definitely felt like a "you just have to learn yourself" shows
rustic mountain
good start, solid middle, horrible final stretch
shadow wind
Knowing too much kinda made the not want to fully read it
rustic mountain
similar to aot
rustic mountain
aots final stretch is honestly some of the worst manga reading ive evr had to endure
rustic mountain
The rest was great though
up until the ||time skip|| for me
shadow wind
I always find it weird when animes end differently than the mangas
Not saying aots did but I know some that did
rustic mountain
usually b4 the manga ends
rustic mountain
fma og is different but brotherhood stays tru to the manga
shadow wind
But that's cause the endings are soooo different
rustic mountain
funny enough i prefer the og ending
shadow wind
I need to watch those
rustic mountain
u really do
shadow wind
I keep hearing that they're peak
shadow wind
I'm in the middle of watching Hajime no Ippo currently so after I finish that I'll probably watch those
I really enjoy sports animes
rustic mountain
i watched a bball one but they r too much for me
shadow wind
Which one?
rustic mountain
its like 3 minutes off a pass
shadow wind
There's only like 2 basketball ones that I can think of
rustic mountain
kurokos basketball
shadow wind
Valid
rustic mountain
i will say kurokos ending had me emotional but idk its like, the dude hitting 3s from the other side of the court like bruh
shadow wind
Yeah it felt very non realistic
And maybe it's cause I played volleyball but Haikyuu has been my favourite sports anime
rustic mountain
i played bball so it felt extremely unrealistic most times haha
shadow wind
It felt just realistic enough to be invested
rustic mountain
there were some things to connect w/ but yea for other sports animes i dont even have that baseline connection to go off
shadow wind
Like obviously some things are going to be stretched to make it more interesting but everything that happened in Haikyuu was believable
rustic mountain
is it over
shadow wind
I believe so yeah
Ended 2024 maybe?
Although I think a movie came out recently
Oh apparently the manga ended in 2020
And there's 1 movie left to be made and then it's done done
shadow wind
Natural decay means I hit 20th
God is good 🙏
This is probably the highest I've been on ladder in like months
molten oasis
Yall making me wanna play reg I
shadow wind
Just do it
It’s fun because all the good players are playing F
Bo1 cts might suck but at the end of the day your opponent doesn’t know what your team is either !
molten oasis
Bo1 cts might suck but at the end of the day your opponent doesn’t know what you...
I play zacian ofc they wouldn’t know lol
next stump
leaden fox
Honestly still looking forward to Pokemon Champions; and will hopefully get new info not this Friday, but Friday after
real prairie
I have been humbled this morning:
forest arrow
https://x.com/lexiconvgc/status/2023565590959697922?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6...
Cant wait for the season pass boost
stone trellis
Conner chose a team for me reg i
What duos have you used in the past?
warm estuary
Miraidon CIR and CSR zacian
stone trellis
First one's based, second is brimstone.
stone trellis
It’s a good combo
It can be both, you know.
A team that uses two Pokemon I like is a based team, simple as.
warm estuary
Ok ig
forest arrow
Koraidon Lunala 
upper zealot
i miss csr pagos
stone trellis
i miss csr pagos
You've seen double bike, now get ready for double fraud
red willow
Has flare blitz on incin fallen off for some reason? none of the high placing sets Ive seen lately have been on it
shadow wind
I play zacian ofc they wouldn’t know lol
Pretty much how I felt the whole time
shadow wind
Conner chose a team for me reg i
Well I would suggest the team I was using but in all honesty it might be mid so maybe something fun like Koraidon Ho oh?
warm estuary
Well I would suggest the team I was using but in all honesty it might be mid so ...
Koraidon ho ho
Ok I’ll try
shadow wind
I tried Groudon Ho oh and it was dope but always felt like it was missing something so maybe Koraidon will be able to fill that gap
shadow wind
I also remember Joey Pokeaim used Miraidon Ho oh so maybe that’s something you could use
And maybe Ho oh is super mid but I think it could have sauce
warm estuary
Still better than Lugia
shadow wind
Always better than Lugia
warm estuary
Ok what item on ho ho
forest arrow
Koraidon Ho oh Flutter mane Iron Treads Raging bolt and Incin got top 16 at worlds
warm estuary
Koraidon Ho oh Flutter mane Iron Treads Raging bolt and Incin got top 16 at worl...
Oh really
shadow wind
Ok what item on ho ho
A lot of items work on Ho oh
Lefties, Rocky helmet, AV, Sitrus, Life orb
Clam even
Very versatile Mon lowkey
warm estuary
Wait ho ho has more spa than physical attack?????
shadow wind
Last I check it has 130 attack and like 90 spatk
forest arrow
130 physical 100 special iirc
tiny karmaBOT
forest arrow
Oh 110 we were both a little off
shadow wind
I was more off
Oh right cause Lugia and Ho oh just have their stats switched
The 110 speed had to go somewhere
forest arrow
Imagine if that went to def too. Holy crap lol
shadow wind
Depends on the set but 99% of Ho ohs used Sacred fire, Brave bird, Protect
Third move was usually tailwind but it can be something like life dew as well
forest arrow
Yeah i think i just ran tailwind when i played it
warm estuary
Ok and ev spread?
shadow wind
I usually ran adamant and whatever the last jump point it which I think is 236
solid frigate
Oh right cause Lugia and Ho oh just have their stats switched
Wait actually
shadow wind
Then enough speed to hit like 126 and then rest in hp and defense
shadow wind
Wait actually
Yeah lots of legendary pairs do it
solid frigate
Third move was usually tailwind but it can be something like life dew as well
Tailwind is arguably the better move for Ho-Oh since it’s more as a support
shadow wind
The eeveelutions do it too
stone trellis
Yeah lots of legendary pairs do it
Every duo, trio and quartet of legendaries does that.
stone trellis
Barring maybe the Loyal Three because I don't remember their stats.
warm estuary
Then enough speed to hit like 126 and then rest in hp and defense
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warm estuary
https://pokepast.es/58e24c740a04a61d
I’ll consider it
solid frigate
Yeah lots of legendary pairs do it
I legit forgot Ho-Oh and Lugia does that since I always though Gen 3 did that first
warm estuary
I’m not sure abt that iron treads
forest arrow
It’s your miraidon counter
solid frigate
KFC (Ho-Oh) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 124 Def / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Brave Bird
- Tailwind
- Protect
I might have overcapped Defense and use Tera Water cuz I hate CIR Kyogre
shadow wind
I remember a Ho oh team that used Ting Lu
forest arrow
I think I remember that too
shadow wind
It actually cooked me so many times it’s like burned into my pattern recognition
solid frigate
I remember a Ho oh team that used Ting Lu
That’s a solid synergy but very annoying
solid frigate
I mean I kinda just run Ho-Oh with Miraidon that doesn’t have Paradox Spam like Joey Pokeaim
Yes Pokeaim got top 8 is not the timeline I envisioned
shadow wind
Eh I mean he used a combo that wasn’t really prepped for and he’s exceptionally good at Pokémon in any form
solid frigate
Eh I mean he used a combo that wasn’t really prepped for and he’s exceptionally ...
Yeah Ik im just mildly Suprised
stone trellis
(AKA your only actual answer to it)
solid frigate
I really need Gen 10 to make a long neck mon that is good in VGC so that I can name them
N E C K #3
Fari and Bolt are not enough for N E C K propaganda
I really have to get back to VGC soon
leaden fox
I really have to get back to VGC soon
I mean, GC is on Friday 😅
solid frigate
I mean, GC is on Friday 😅
I’ll play rain honestly
leaden fox
I’ll play rain honestly
Sounds good
solid frigate
Sounds good
Idk I’m the only one that doesn’t like special attack booster flutter ngl
But I guess it has its merit
stone trellis
I’ll play rain honestly
Are you registered as an EU player?
stone trellis
Idk I’m the only one that doesn’t like special attack booster flutter ngl
But ...
I don't like it either.
solid frigate
Are you registered as an EU player?
EU Masters Division yeah
stone trellis
Sweet, I'm cooked.
solid frigate
I mean
I’m already register as UK Master Division Player back in Birmingham Regionals in 2025
So I can’t change it unless I can’t my nationality back to Hong Kong
solid frigate
Also do you need to have an account to play in tournaments
Well yeah
Rk9 account and play Pokémon account
Also a bank account cuz you are gonna pay for a lot
In those two days
leaden fox
Idk I’m the only one that doesn’t like special attack booster flutter ngl
But ...
I mean, depending on the type of team you run will determine if you are going to use SpAtk boosted Flutter or Speed Flutter