#competitive_discussion
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how? desolate land overrides it
Koraidon weezing team
On showdown yeah
?
dude they r not gna make hydro steam bypass desolate land hahahha
I don’t see why protosynthesis wouldn’t proc
"yes these past mons can somehow override the ancient being who literally controls land itself"
It doesn't on showdown I believe
Hmm that’s wild
that is weird
Which I know showdown is just making assumptions but I won't believe anything until I see it in champions
Well technically it isn't harsh sunlight
idk i havent played in those formats but i wonder if swift swim activates w/ primal ogre
And I don't think Koraidon even gets his attack buff
just my guess
I'd guess that's how it'll work
yea
makes the most sense to me
But I will always have a pocket gastrodon just in case
gta throw in a bad mon there somewhere
classic
oh i have xern and groudon lemme pick gastro
Exactly
It's actually hard to pick a team of mine that doesn't have a throw pick
Might be something I need to change
Exca seems cool asf, I’m gonna play the Tried and true cause I never played during that time besides casually
Kanga
I'm interested to see a certain dragon
Mr. 216 seems like it could do something
honestly like i really gta wait and see wat the dex is for the first format, kinda depends wats available for partner options for wat id wanna try
But then it could also do nothing
For sure
i caught a shiny alpha one just in case

im currently on dozo giri hunt rn
the shiny itself makes it 100% worth it
I even have an alpha raichu waiting
Mega Heatran is someone I got my eyes on
absol z’s shiny looks so good one of if not my fav shiny mega
its very good
Then mega drill with mold breaker is going to do gods work
i think dnite mega shiny is also top tier
The blue and orange is so nice
Maybe too crazy
its regular shiny is one i actually kinda like but it always should’ve been like the mega
Should we be worried about mega luc z?
im not worried
i like the shiny as is but yea the mega one is definitely super good
Mega luc z with focus blast next to gravity sableye
would i dislike them just makin that the regular? nah but i think the green gets a lot of flack wen it isnt really bad at all
no the z megas suck
😔 😔
All 3 of them suck
Why does it keep putting 2
chomp is abysmal
but i think it might be too early to judge since not that many pokemon can be considered insane in a vacuum but rather the metagame which surrounds it
How do you fail Garchomp twice bro
this is very tru
mega chomp z sucks tho no matter what
The anticipation is killing me lol
His poor sandwiches
17 days left
Mega crab have any sauce?
Crab sauce
dont get ur hopes up yall we may not get any champion news on pokemon day hahah
for Pokémon day for some news**
like its likely but not guaranteed
Yeah I’m not I should’ve added the end there first
i hope they got his order right eventually
I would just like any news, we’ve been in the dark for a little while
Don't bet on it 
Why did they give mega pikachu y 160 spatk
we should get news, id like some news but its been a year w/ radio silence its getting ridiculous
Wait it's mega raichu
Like come on man, the people are tired of SV let it go
Why did they make them look like pikachu
no reason to have to wait a whole year unless they fucked up and delayed it and dont wanna say anything
i’ve spent all my hope for news waiting for one of the stars linked with the heat to actually join us so im prepared for the worst 😭

I'm just waiting and taking it as it comes, man
yea
but if we don’t get news on pokemon day when will we
unless they back out on the whole worlds 26 on champions thing
i really think they intended to already have it out at this point
It kinda feels like it
so the lack of followup is them scrambling to get some sort of finished product to present for like late spring release
if they do give us news for pokemon day
timeline wise to match up w/ lza and the dlc release i would assume they wanted a mid jan-early feb release as to give ppl time to acquire mons play the games and holiday sales etc
Ah nah I just realized if they make you gather all the mons I'm screwed for the plza mons
otherwise why tell us about champions so far before its release? its not really building hype atm its killing it (more the lack of information on their end about the game itself outside the basics we were shown that led to more speculation then anything)
well u can just purchase mons w/ vp in game
And like what if all the hype for it to flop
it doesnt have to be outside the game
Purchasing 18 Groudons first
this is my concern, vgc is in such a good place atm this really can make or break its expansion
Very true
ONE MILLION MORE REGULATION RERUNS FOR VGC PLAYERS ‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🔥
take away cart ladder and be very mysterious about the biggest news for vgc players in a WHILE fuck them
i dont mind them taking longer, i just wish theyd take accountability and just own up to making mistakes and give us more clarified info in the meantime
How do they make something work well between switch and phone tho, like I feel like that’s gotta be some reason for the issues there
definitely
They're trying to figure out how to make it run on the switch 2 and not a console that will be made in 30 years
should’ve just been a switch thing
Because game optimization is dead
bit overzealous yea but if they can make it work itll b huge
I don't want CIR rain teams to follow me around on MY PHONE
Oh for sure, take you’re phone to a regional and you’re good? That sounds fire for sure I’m not hating on the idea
Just seems like a complicated feat
worst case, vgc defaults back to mainline, best case champions becomes the hub and sd equivalent that weve all wanted for years as the game expands far beyond wat its at now
given how overheated the phone would get the rain might just fizzle out
Desolate land? More like my phone about to explode from the 4 3d models and rain
Perfect for Groudon
Incineroar intim procs phone drops 20% battery life
Parting shot makes your ringer go off
Knock off makes your opponent fall out of their seat
And I think astral barrage should just send an email out to your workplace
dynamax power comes directly from your battery 🔥
kinda how like lamps in videogames use real life electricity
Imagine losing on champions at an event and your opponent just airdrops an image of Incin
the funny thing is if they let ppl play w/ phones at tours
like do they gta go airplane mode? how will that work
True yeah
do no disturb i guess
Would be extremely hard to monitor
do no disturb? how do ik ur not listening to some1 playcall from close by on ur headphones

but in a game like vgc the info you can get through just a message is much more valuable
Pokemon go is less decision heavy so I think it wouldn't matter
You just tap a screen honestly
Real
Way different from a text telling you what to do
pogo is fast idt ppl watching is gna help much
if im being honest i totally forgot about the cheating part i was just thinking of getting inconvenient calls 😭

You time out cause your mom is spam calling
Lmao
but yea it seems basically impossible to regulate without some HEAVY monitoring which is just not feasible
i wonder if theyd just make ppl use the switches there
Maybe on the phone it’s just a hub and battling is only done on switch
cause I don’t see how they pull that off
That would limit accessibility for sure but it would be a lot easier
Kinda like home but with a battle zone on switch only?
Lowkey I'd mess with it
Yeah that’s an idea
mobile champions could just be gateway for people to start playing vgc in an accessible way before fully diving in with switches
Like you can buy and work on teams on your phone and stuff
or battling at irls is just switch only, get ppl hooked on the phone to want to invest to get a switch to compete at irls
True that works too
still a huge upgrade from now
Regionals are switch only type deals
The Pokemon company's mouth just started watering
Oh nvm I see what you’re saying I’m dumb haha
dude its been watering haha u see these new prices and dlc
man i havent played za in a while
also def something im sure they r considering w/ champions for wat it can do $ wise even just tour attendence itself let alone other games being bought
the hyperspace thing really burnt me out
It was fun and I liked the new formula but I really only shiny hunt now for comp stuff
it sucks
i heard shiny hunting was fun tho
it sucks so bad
i jus wanna get the rest of my mega targets and be done w/ it
5 dollars every time you want to mega
I liked it the first week
base game? amazing
dlc? horrendous
the only thing that got me through it is that i went in spoiler free so i got to see the new megas
Same I think that’s what was so hype for me
other than that, thirty bucks im never getting back
it was, now its a fuckin chore i just wanna b done
got the 5 shiny legends tho

Let’s go bro
at least they didn’t shiny lock them
Yeah for once lol
no they just locked the other legends instead
Latis are actually pretty good sometimes too
terrakions been ok
but yea i just figured if i was goin for some might as well go for all, especially w/ the odds being wat they r and apriballs being plentiful
i loved shiny hunting during the pandemic it’s something i wanna pick back up
and u never know, 1 different mechanic or specific meta and 1 of them becomes good somehow
Like adding an orb that is of the red variety
true
Might make a very special pokemon ever so slightly better
conner i worry about ur obsession w/ groudon
Sometimes I look at the screen and wonder "is this too far"?
Then I look around my room and see the Groudons littered around
talking about shiny hunting
conner: how do i insert groudon into the convo
I did shiny hunt for many a Groudon
I got one from Go awhile back
Although I need another shiny Groudon
Am I crazy to prefer the red
i gotta hunt some stuff in das still
I was dumb and changed the name of the first 2 so I need a 3rd with no name change
I liked the yellow with Miraidon
Don’t we all haha
as great as kyogres shiny is, i think i like its base form a bit better too
Cause idk if this is a hot take but I like incins black more too
oh yeah I prefer the blue too
The shiny is definitely great tho
its awesome
I know that one is heat
I will refrain
Don’t they both turn black?
another one where the og is better but i gta flex
the whites a lot different but the black fits it better
Black and then their like highlights are the base form shiny colours
That’s fire
So like Groudon gets some yellow stuff and Kyogre gets some pink
will definitely use shiny groudon then if we ever get primals
You mean WHEN !
Just don’t want to get ahead of myself
I cannot live the rest of my life without witnessing him
yea itll b prolly like mid 2027 if i were to guess
tho id like them to wait till 2028 and have time for things to breathe w/ lower power formats
I really would like that too
i will never use any incin that’s not my shiny one that masuda hunt took ages
Give me time to play without Tera and learn the lower power formats first
real
4x over odds iirc
Series 1 just went away to fast
I had a very similar story with my Fuecoco
i did masuda (and charm) in swsh b4 ability patches had like 4 shiny littens non ha b4 getting it hahaha
i think i’ll have fun with no tera
dude its gna b amazing
I got a Charcadet through mesuda in like 300 eggs
nice
im trying really hard not to segue this into series 10 for the millionth time
I can't wait for no tera
erik, its never too many times to mention series 10
Was that the no dynamax one?
yea
single restricted no dmax yea
How was that?

Sounds peak
best format ive ever played
Damn I missed peak
i think it was like only a fuckin month too lmao 2 max
The couple oms I've played that banned tera have been the best experiences of my life
Even if they were singles
i wouldve liked that
especially now w/ the formats being different then irls
just make cart ladder no tera w/e format
Koraidon is dead
cool
Erik did you ever end up playing any full potential?
i wanted to check the span and it was from august 1st to october 31st
And so is CSR
i do remember it feeling way shorter tho
Koraidon is found dead in a pitch after Groudon got a orb
oh wow i misremembered
Groudon my beloved
It’s okay I’ll just use CIR
3 months just wasnt enough
And bro HAS to stay an ice type?????
And my pocket Pelipper
Sounds like torture
a few games maybe? i don’t recall playing it too much
Gholdengo will cook
cir will get worse
I miss it 😔
csr too, theyll still b good tho moreso csr
i used ice rider in series 10 for a bit
I think in a vacuum Groudon gets worse but in the meta he'd do way better
koraidon gna b tough
i made a team report for it on r/VGC lmao very cringey to reread
One fairy move and it’s bye bye
no more tera or no tera 50/50s 😭
My fav mon washed
regular groudon prolly gets a tad better imo, especially for mirai stuff and koraidon falling out of favor
idt thats a big deal relative to everything else
Was the easiest way to ohko CSR but I doubt it would matter that much
idk if itll b completely shit i just think it makes it really tough
oh right xern being back, yea koraidon is fried
Too tough to try
wdym i’ll be to hit csr with a dark move and it’ll actually be weak to it 🤯
exactly
The unassuming follow me clefairy
Yeah what’s a Fluttermane? Xern is gonna be everywhere
Goltres come to me !
Or just Xern Flutter
flutter still will b good but xern is obviously the superior fairy type. flutter is prolly if u dont want xern for watever reason but want fairy coverage/speed control
Fairy aura is stupid
i think too like, covert cloak will gain a bit more use w/ tera ghost being out the window now. not that it was a huge thing but something ppl did use from time to time
Groudon + Ho oh will be my Xerneas answer !
Does it boost partners fairy moves too?
All on the field
Oh damn
What’s Yveltals?
Ahh okay
yea
That’s gotta be why
all i know is, iron hands can 1hko mega beedril w/ fake out
😭
😅
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon-Primal: 129-153 (73.7 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Hey wait hold on
What happened to my resist
it doesnt matter
Damn that’s wild
also no investment groudon
252 atk and speed?
Of course
Groudon @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 132 HP / 76 Atk / 28 Def / 252 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Heat Crash
- Bulk Up
- Protect
I thought you had a like a super specially bulky groudon set
There it is I was like wait am I tripping
Guys this guy would die to Kyogre in the sun without special bulk 😔
Honestly that is my favourite Groudon set I've ever made
Gotta eat astral barrages too
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Groudon: 201-237 (104.6 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Well I'm glad this guy doesn't exist right now
wtf dude
252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Groudon: 76-91 (39.5 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Just never let him see a lorb
Still dies to specs Miraidon draco also
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ho-Oh: 82-97 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO
Also this is what legendary players do
they dont run ho oh
Devastating news
Ho Oh MU fished its way to top 16
My goat Groudon never hit a top 4 😔
This was the best I ever ate
Idk for me Lunala Koraidon pressured it one way or another
it was good in other mus too but that was the main reason
yea lunala koraidon isnt as weak to it
I can't believe Lunala would so easily switch to another don
it knew wen to trade in, unlike some ppl
Hey they tried to rename it after Groudon too
So true
But I pushed the name Koala hard in the reg I chat
My goat inspired the modern generation
I can't even imagine who'd you be speaking of right now
couldnt even dominate the generation it inspired
what a tragic tale
You don't ask coach to play in the olympics
gen 3 the best
So true
Can’t beat it
no
Why can't I make a dash
Gross but fixed
great starter trio, great legend trio, solid story, great regional atmosphere (dive mechanic was so dope) using braille code to solve regi puzzles,
And then the remakes were also peak
Only thing is I’m not the biggest fan of Wally
i didnt play them
May makes it okay tho
I've heard great things about the delta episode
Oras was beautiful def reccomended
Yeah but some "rivals" gotta be bad
Gen 6 rivals 😔
I love that game to pieces but man
We did not need 25 different "rivals"
im ngl
Dude fr
i forgot about him i thought u were talkin about wallace
That's how bad he was
damn shoutout wally tho his backstory is sad af
I'm glad he got a mega
And he was in the battle tree in USUM right?
dude deadass i feel bad but i genuinely only remember may as the rival

i vaguely remember wally but only after lookin him up
It’s just any of his battles you kind of just run him over
He feels like how the newer rivals feel
i played neither of those gens
I liked Gladion
nemona was cool
Me too but he wasn't the main rival
If you can count him as one
Which is why I don't dog on wally too bad cause he wasn't the main rival
the friend rival dynamic in lza was solid
I wish I lost to her though
especially as ur rivals in the za royale turn out to all b ppl u befriend in a sense
oh yeah for sure, I loved them all
But childrens game so whatever
it was a cool difference from other games where theres no clear cut villian either
like person wise
Corbeau my beloved
hahah
Rest in peace the masked royale 😔
hes villianous but not a villian id say
Yeah I knew he had a heart of gold
the whole syndicate storyline w/ hyperspace lumiose was a bit weird tho
like why these guys this seems like something u wouldnt outsource hahaha even tho they can b trusted idk it just felt forced
And jeez man so repetitive
So was the lza dlc just bad?
overall? yea
Y'know Tree I just thought about something
base game was awesome
Gojo's Hollow Purple was an imaginary technique
It was pretty bad, I enjoyed it the first week, then it got stale
?
Why didn't Toji imagine it wasn't coming at him
cuz it happened so fast
Definitely loved base game, lowkey in my top 5 oal
lmao he ripped it at him in an instant
I mean I loved pla so maybe someday I'll get it
same
highkey
also if u remember
toji did sense it, he just chose to ignore it
Just chucked that bitch at max velocity
hes like somethings wrong
Honestly the one attack I don't blame someone for dodging is that Fire Force scene where the dude shoved a nuke in that girls face
Movie 0?
I only watched S1 is definitely a good one, I need to finish that
yea i wanna watch it
Didn't they start doing S3?
Is season 3 still releasing episodes?
conner 
Endgame spoiler: Batman kisses Harry Potter
i knew u were gna do some b.s lmao
Spoilers
I think so bro
yea its s3 iirc
I'm feeling quite unserious currently
u always are
Remember when you could just ragebait people by saying Endgame spoiler and then saying just some weird bullshit
Lmao
😔
I had to be serious to do this shit so someone had to be the jester
Man that was such a good thing
monke: i only ragebait twice a day now instead of twenty
Rookie numbers
Monke if you look up rage bait in the dictionary a picture of you is there
I'm such a good ragebaiter cuz people think I'm legitimately stupid 
20.3
33rd
REB
6.6
47th
AST
4.2
49th
FG%
48.4
55th
Nah that's when you know you're doing it right
those r rookie numbers (literally)
Luka's?
coopers haha
Don't disrespect my goat

In other servers I think people might genuinely believe that I think Groudon is the #1 restricted
I say other servers cause no one here believes that... right?
Cooper Flagg putting up generational numbers just for the Mavs to fucking lose every game 
hahah better off
cash in on some good picks get kyrie back
retool for next szn
I'm so happy I'm seeing more Groudon propaganda recently
Not vgc propaganda but just in general
Mid ass Don
Hey !
Real players use Zamazenta-don
No that's Lugia dumbass
@rustic mountain After playing a few Lugia games, I've deduced that somehow Rayquaza is more dogshit than Lugia
I still think you're crazy for that take
Maybe this is a Groudon pilled take
I know Rayquaza bruh
I've lost to more Rayquazas than Lugias
Rayquaza literally has one thing going for it
Granted to don't see many of either
And that's the fact it fucks with Koraidon heavy
That is your only good/decent MU
Groudon 😔
You gotta be careful against Kyogre
You suck ass into both Ice Rider and Miraidon
You suck into CSR
You suck into so much LMAO
That and Air Lock + Urshifu was kinda crazy
That list sounds like Groudon....
Oooooooooooooo
@foggy lodge I got YT vod for Day 1 of Sydney
That and my favorite YouTuber played At Dead of Night
Who?
YouTuber that does some speed runs but also plays horror games
Dude I remember someone mentioned reading a book and I asked about it and they looked at me and said "Bro you don't care why even ask" 😭
Like god forbid a guy be inquisitive and knowledge seeking
Cuz I can ask questions bitch
God forbid a white boy get a lil motion
Sounds sick
Can a white boy speak a little spanish?

Sometimes a white boy needs to overexplain a niche topic
Frfr
Idk but let's not 
Everyone can be a white boy sometimes
White boy is not a race or a gender, it's a mindset
Straight dreadful mindset lowkey
I don't like this Tiktok grind set account
No parties, no drugs, no girls. Stay focused and locked, I'm getting my protein and I have high test. God bless
I still don't think that guy is in college
Wait let me find the video
Nah there's one that is like the worst of all
Time to look up things I don't wanna look up 😔
LMAO
Wait I found the account
Wasn't even that hard
Bro I don't want to sign in on facebook to hear the audio
There's the link, I don't want the entire image coming up
Oh hell nah
People already think I'm weird enough here
Not the IG reel
Like there's no way that guy is in college bro
Brother that dude is barely a high school freshman
I think I was taller than him at the age of 11
Also thank God I didn't have to stare at my IG for too long
I love doomscrolling 🤤
Bruh I haven't touched my Instagram in years
I'm too scared to go on it now
I'd rather not see what teen me was looking at
Every kind of political thing shows up on mine I just kinda go "Ha that's funny" then hope the next one is a seal video
Thankfully my Tiktok doesn't show much political
It's also usually American politics which I am so illiterate in
Even Canadian politics I'm pretty clueless
I miss my spy bro
Your spy?
Where'd they go?
Probably got Thanos snapped after America did whatever besides banning Tiktok
Real
I remember that and then nothing happened
I wonder how this new discord thing is gonna go
I think it's mainly for servers/channels marked 18+
Probably
I just realized I'm allowed in those now
Not like I wanna be in em but just something I realized
Still doesn't feel right being able to go pretty much anywhere
But no drinking allowed if I go into the states
So you didn't lie and shit
Crazy
It’s AI slop and Basically thirst trap
"What's your birth year"
Oh 1956 of course bro
Yeah feels bad being able to just put my real birthday
Welcome to the club
I love how I can actually grab a booze but can’t even get reverify again on discord lol
I was born in '02 so now I'm getting to the age where I hear like fuckin Poker Face and am like "man this song is 10 years old"
"Man I remember when Owl City Fireflies came out"
I remember the ds 😔
Dude I keep seeing these stupid "If you remember these you had a great childhood" and one of them was a crank window in a car
Remember the DSi that was basically just DS but "different"
Wii Era is so peak
My first Mario game
Bah bah
The worst ones of those and I'm not tryna be mean or offensive or anything
But y'know the ones that are like "you're African American if you've had this"
Those are lowkey just racist
I don't care if the person is of that race it's just re-affirming stereotypes
Assuming Stereotypes like these is just why man
No the problem is a good amount of them are also just what not rich southern white people enjoy too
Like you ever heard of Hugs Barrels
Actually true though
Might be before my time
But now looking it up I'm getting a sense of familiarity
I've definitely seen em
Feels like I just unlocked a memory
Yeah one of those Tiktoks showed those and I was like "bro I had those"
I do find it kind of funny how kids that grew up in Canada and the states has really really similar childhoods
Like when you're living it you don't think about it
But now looking back I had a really standard childhood
Although screw the snow
We don't get much that here
But when we get some snow/ice man does Texas freak the fuck out
yea ray is pretty ass
It's been a very weird winter this year
Lots of rain
Which means the roads are entirely ice !
ray will get its resurgence as well w/ megas coming back
Oh boy I love glare ice
Bro might finally be better than the common dnite
its the only mega that can have an actual item as well iirc
nah that needs a mega stone
idk but the activation pattern is strange
have to be at half to get zygarde complete then u can mega
With all those stats he almost hits as hard Miraidon
Man Miraidon and Koraidon are unbelievable
Imagine if the horses didn't exist
no
First, thank god they're gone, but second like those bikes would literally be just every team
Thank you Calyrex for keeping those bikes in check 🙏
Can't believe I just thanked the devil
miraidon will be much more manageable w.o tera and koraidon gna b not that great imo
Without tera yeah
Flutter mane lowkey owns them both
But comparing CSR to Miraidon it's at least in the same ball park
u know who owns koraidon?
But those 2 to any other special restricted besides Kyogre on his best days is like hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Groudon? 😄
tapu fini
Dang you right
I miss the tapus
tapus are cool
always the grass one that sucks, rip wo chien and bulu
Hey that one Kyogre Woch team was cool
The design of that team was actually super cool
Big on the "I hate CSR"
nd there were random bulu teams that did ok in sm era
Quad weaks on a "bulkier" mon don't tend to go well
bulus meh im just saying it also saw fringe success like wo chien
Yeah they're definitely the worst out of their quartets
id like to see a tapu and ruin meta
tapus in reg f would make it interesting
Cause fini also dog walks Ursh and Incin
cm fini could wall out the tcalp dragon pulse bolts
eh u got partners
Psyspam might be a lot scarier with an offensive terrain setter
Jeez 130?
lele would b cool idt itd get e force tho
kinda more its own psy setter then anything else but wouldnt outweight the hatt/indeedee or crown psyspam teams
There's what a single psychic type without it?
didnt in swsh
Oh right it existed in swsh
so i only would assume
gen 8
eh ho always had a place
It killed the bulky tailwind setters
i wouldnt say completely
Volc and dnite are the only I can think of
quite a few earlier formats i ran and other ppl to success bulky tw setters. but yea as power lvl increases u generally want prankster tw
Suicune exploded
Goat
really tho its format dependent, prankster tw is always coveted. torn and whims werent just magically good overnight theyve been around
Prima also does this
Wish I was playing vgc 5 years ago 😔
I do wonder what vgc that long ago was like
When was series 10 even
Like actually playing in the format fresh and growing with the format would have been cool
u wouldve hated dmax lmao
let’s goo right on time for series 10 talk
idk like 2021ish i think actually
So yeah 5 years ago
Man I wish I started playing vgc when I was 13 😔 😔
Many such cases
that is so crazy to think about
i do wish i kept on playing vgc after playing series 10
Quite awful to think about
eh yall r pretty young still its fine
See but being young means that thinking about being even younger is dreadful
More % of my life ago
is that u looking at groudon in ur teambuilder
The 1 format I played I did

i played three swsh formats
zacian was too good it was overwhelming for u
8 9 and 10
Well I used it but like, I was new and got wrecked by everything it was not fun
The roses may have been me covering up my trying to say Groudon
i started series 5 for vgc
I’m gonna hate Dynamax in champions
Roses are Groudon coloured so yknow
haha damn
u say that but like dmax flutter seems bad
Real
Your right sorry should have said bolt
Don't even speak of him
Unkillable raging bolt
actually wait idk if u get the sp atk boost w/ sun might b pog
250 base health bolt 😭
And sets e terrain
free +1 then double health
WITH RISING VOLTAGE
I don’t remember what the dragon move did
but yea also zacian food
Lowers attack?
True
series 9 almost made me drop the game but series 10 got announced just as i was getting tired of dmax
zacian even nerfed is much better w/ dmax
i miss pre nerf eleki
Maybe I do know something
series 9 was double restricted? or single
Yeah but bolt resists bblade
series 7 rerun
think reg f but dmax
Only time it won’t suck
oh right lando t and galar moltres format
Well, maybe not suck be mid cuz idt zacian was that bad
venu was good
+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 48-56 (165.5 - 193.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It wasn’t Zekrom
Can't wait for the weakness policy bolt
tork venu man
i would slap weakness policy on any mon and call it a day
Many such cases
i once tried wp milotic next to volt switch raichu
i did well in series 7 i got top 256 players cup na and i wasnt that great back then haha
I’m doing this gc with Primarina
with no regionals and players cups being pretty rare i only had usage stats to get meta picks from
I think I did 1 total
i built some wild stuff back then
Then hopefully we get champions I’m so done with sv lol
I like sv don’t get me wrong but it’s been so long
I used to do limitless tours a bunch in Reg G 1
I’m ready for megas (kinda)
i brought a clefairy spectrier team to the 2nd phase
Ahead of your time
i used spectrier as support for metagross
didnt do so great it was single bracket elimination but it was more me then the team
bulldoze clear body weakness policy proc classic swsh meta
weakness policy is like almost non existent in sv
i mourn it every day
Cool
Tera probably had a big part in that
I like hitting my mons without getting smacked by fucking +2 smth
i also used brutal swing torn to get it activated on metagross
same
I lost to a WP ttar today that was annoying
It’s annoying and usually it’s just like ‘Bruh’
not much in bo3 if at all
there was one wp armarouge team that got on stream one time i remember
I ran into him twice and just didn’t do enough to him
with like belly drum lax
I think there's also just way better items
drago, y prim btw its kinda meh no?
Clam made every physical attacker drop wp forever
yea with dmax you could afford to take the super effective hit
type reducing berries were much more common too
I did this last time we did f but gimme a sec
It has a niche and I’ve been testing it it’s good, for what it is
Horses have a tendency to not be cool
ight fair enough
Although many many Grimmsnarls ran Babiri for Zacian
right
Even with the horses in the format
zacian was everywhere horses were not
gone are the days of white herb groudon
Grimmsnarl might just be Lebron
Lowkey I would trade that for single target Kyogre moves

https://pokepast.es/b5b20f96580b03c4 im well aware this is just bolt balance with a primarina, but it walls pao, shifu, incin, chi yu. Hits lando and Ursa really hard, does great into tr teams, Tera dragon lets it play into wellspring and Hearthflame pretty well,
if incin’s the lebron of vgc who’s mj
Lando T
It has a niche and it’s been doing well, so I’m taking it to GC cuz I believe it genuinely works
Oh also generally you win the wars against bolt as fucking annoying as that mu is
Man that fish really got given everything and bro hasn't won anything in 9 years
ursh would be a great point guard
Kyogre’s always strong but it’s definitely gotten weaker
Like now it has to deal with bikes
Wait wait wait
Gen 10 restricted 1000000% outdoing Kyogre
Might put the house on that bet
yo this is just bolt balance but w/ prim
They’ll just add a water type that gets spout with 160 spA
And 1.3x spatk in the rain
I’m aware, but this is also the best it’s doing
Also 190 speed
dude can we get a fake out water type that isnt blastoise and is good
I messed with a few different things but this feels strong
So true
like starter wise
Nah fr that be so nice
Nah just go primordial sea
Give it drizzle gf no balls, we have fluttermane
If we can have flutter and bolt we can have that
how great would it be if they pull a gen 5 for gen 10 and give us a whole new dex and the first format is w/ all new mons
That be fire
Lowkey I want rain to die and never come back
Groudon might be speaking through me right now
But like
I like rain it keeps my zacian healthy and boosts my shifu and prima 
In a vacuum it's SO much better than sun
I don’t really play rain teams cuz I’m a balance player but still
I prefer rain to sun
Even with all the proto mons I still think water is better overall
Wish kyogre got accurate fucking water moves, or ones that don’t rely on hp
i think sun has better conversion
Missing on kyogre especially in a format of Calyrex feels awful
Meaning?
like its had more success in sv then rain
I'd agree
Probably just cuz like
Koraidon + all proto mons + Miraidon kills water
Proto mons are busted
Rain got shafted this generation I'll admit that
It's just the unnecessary amount of moves that get buffed in the rain
Not as crazy but in lower power formats rain>
Cause Solar blade and Solar beam do not equal Hurricane, Thunder, and the genie signatures
Solar blade and solar beam are so bad
its format dependent and a lot of times ull have both be relevant at once
Except enamorous cuz fuck that guy ig
sv just had a clear cut victor
Yeah screw enam
I can’t believe enam got shafted like that that was lowkey really funny but also sad
sun was also very strong in swsh, venu and zard w/ gmax and groudon were very dominant
Well usually the prominence of one makes the other have a niche
I think sun has better results
enamorus was a mistake
if it was close i think swsh and sv put sun over the top
Like overall, primal groudon, yeah just like groudon is a major factor in that I think
My view on it is that people that play rain suck and that if I used Kyogre I'd win everything but I know that's not true so I'll just have to know deep down they're pretty well balanced
those gmax moved are so insane to look back on
Well yeah whatever side has Groudon is clearly the better side
not a mistake per say i think they just messed up in introducing a way better fairy type like right after (flutter)
like tf is enamorus providing that flutter cant just do better
1/6th to each mon for 4 turns or something
Yeah that's wild
that’s a third of all your team’s health
That move was insane
Overcoat tr stuff I guess
Why would you do that when you could play rabies bear
i mean it in a non competitive way too i think the trio was fine as is
Exactly
even torkoal gives more pressure
The duo + twave spamming satan
it might be bc i stopped playing pokemon too much following the release of pla but i forget about enamorus a lot
Yea, enamorous just, exists
In a format with genies and no paradox maybe it’ll get usage
To be fair Torkoal is the goat
But I don’t expect it
it might b ok in a format w.o ruins but that well prolly have tapus and its like just run fini
also i thought ursaluna was a branch evo for a while
Or koko or lele
format w.o paradoxes i meant
and i didnt believe game freak would give guts to an insanely bulky mon with 140 base attack
When I think of sun I think of Groudon and Torkoal
I think of koraidon
Tho koraidons gonna suck in the future.
Sounds like a dream come true !
power creep has been insane
Hey a fluttermane
And stab facade !!!
tho again, w/o tera ursa isnt as threatening
past paradox mon for a reason


