competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[leaden fox]

Yeah, EUIC is after Sydney and Santiago 😅

I just hope we'll have Champions' release date announced on 27th Feb

[foggy lodge]

Sitrus Flutter and AV Dnite got 2nd at Mérida

[stone trellis]

Who beat them?

[waxen dock]

max morles i think

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2526688422-v2an554orcy4t15ey80emk8gf4jbr44pw

[molten oasis]

Man what

[waxen dock]

if i go to worlds, should i get choaching? cuz coaching is expensive and idk if it will really help but it can boost my chances of doing good at worlds

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2526691055-aqw24p2b0o2rfdxrv1q62jx6khnjivopw

[stone trellis]

I was flexing on this guy for those last few turns.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2526695092-mp6ffs92xayle5kiwbpru4hloj75u3rpw

[warm estuary]

Why orthworm

[wooden steeple]

making some changes, what do we think?

[leaden fox]

Seems good so far

[warm estuary]

Ah thundurus

Is it just me or everyone uses landorus and tornadus but no one uses thundurus

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Torn and Lando are the best ones

Tho Thundurus has a niche imo

Yuma used it with eerie impulse twave taunt wildbolt storm

And I think the electric coverage + all those support moves with prankster are a really cool niche

[wooden steeple]

on stream it missed 4/4 wildbolts right?

[foggy lodge]

I think LMAO

But when it connects its strong trust

[warm estuary]

Crazy

[wooden steeple]

yea that's why I figured I'm probably not bad off going with a 100% accurate move lol

[warm estuary]

Great name for the team btw

[brazen rapids]

I came up with a way to defeat “the big six” (with a friend)

[rigid bridge]

Finding a 0 atk lunala seems impossible 🫠 It’s been >2hrs of resetting but still nothing

[stone trellis]

I got one with 1 Attack IV.

[wooden steeple]

I got mine in 3 tries lol

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2526768856-j3tt04rdrhl1o5vom0baursk9flk3l0pw

[warm estuary]

https://pokepast.es/82ff86453c660b41

What do we think of this

I dunno what item to put on tornadus

[wooden steeple]

if cloak isn't taken always cloak

[warm estuary]

Right cloak

Guess team is done

[warm estuary]

I just realised that lilligant is just a better venusaur

Guess I’ll discard the team

[stone trellis]

I can't play Reg F anymore, man.

I just despise this format.

Champions can't come soon enough.

[warm estuary]

Ok I changed idea

I wanna use an articuno team

Best tera type for articuno

?

Also i dunno a move set

And what to run with it

Except alolan ninetails ofc

[molten oasis]

You want to use

The blizzard spammer

Without Ninetales

Its entire identity is blizzard spam

And you want to use it without ninetales

[warm estuary]

Why without ninetails

What is blizzard spam

What did I miss

@molten oasis

[molten oasis]

So articuno is used as a bulky blizzard spammer on snow teams, which Ninetales uses

[molten oasis]

I got confused on this

Lemme find the paste

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

[molten oasis]

Ofc labmaus went down the second I did that

[warm estuary]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ab4352d08f0f2966

@warm estuary I’m not 100% sure that’s super accurate but it’s something like that, I think Ninetales runs protect but I’ve seen encore and icy wind too

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

I see

I’ll try it out

Sheer force crazy btw

Thanks drago

[leaden fox]

Any stat spread suggestions for Incineroar with Safety Goggles btw?

Or possibly Choice Band H-Arcanine?

Never mind, got a good one in mind 😂
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2526822761

Literal first game with the change xD

[warm estuary]

Guess the change paid off

Why did bro start using extreme speed on flutter mane

[leaden fox]

Probably expected a switch; but Flutter does wall E-Speed and Scale Shot if no Tera

[foggy lodge]

Bro was using a reg H team💔

[leaden fox]

Yeah, which I found a little odd

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/rk9labs/status/2015904110646538660

RK9 Labs 🐾 (@rk9labs)

Attention #PlayPokémon competitors: mark your calendars for this week's registrations!

- Seville will open for registration at 7pm CET on Wednesday
- EUIC will have a limited re-opening at 7pm GMT on Thursday

X · Jan 26, 2026, 9:46 PM

[rustic mountain]

[waxen dock]

Nice

[waxen dock]

So ill register to seville cuz its free

And if i cant go there ill just cancel the registeration

[wooden steeple]

just had this idea what do we think

[crystal crypt]

Hi y’all, I’ve never played any battles before and im looking to start preping some teams, copperajah is a mon I wanna use my question is = sheer force or heavy metal which is the better ability ?

[shadow wind]

Let me answer your question with a question. What is heavy metal doing for Copperajah and what is sheer force doing?

[leaden fox]

Wish you luck if you do go 🙂

[warm estuary]

If you go let’s hope you don’t meet a lot of Italians

Joking if you go I wish you to do good

[leaden fox]

There are times I wish Copperajah was good; but by current format, not so much now 🙁 Early on formats during the game's initial release it would do better

[warm estuary]

Guys do you know if veluza is gonna be in Pokemon champions at realese

[crystal crypt]

Heavy metal = Increases damage for stab heavy slam and fire coverage in heat crash

Sheer force = Slight boost to secondary effect moves power but prevents the effect from happening

[wooden steeple]

sheer force if ur main damage is moves with non guaranteed secondary effects, heavy metal if ur main damage is heavy slam and heat crash

usually sheer force will be better, but obv if you don't run any attack with secondary effects it's not gonna fo anything

[stone trellis]

Sheer Force also removes the 10% HP recoil you get from Life Orb while keeping the 30% damage boost.

[sleek oriole]

I did not know this. That is dangerous

[leaden fox]

Yep; it is what they do with Landorus Incarnate as well (since HA is Sheer Force)

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2527326118

^ My username is DanielCarter btw (not real name) ^

[sleek oriole]

Yea dang that is definitely cooking with gas. i see why landos been around for so long now haha OP

[timber falcon]

Why does this even happen?

[timber falcon]

So thats why

[leaden fox]

There is a only a few handfuls of mons with Sheer Force; but it certainly is usable, especially if the mon is made for TR or Speed

Not all the mons are crazy good; but the few that are excel in it

Sad part; even if a Mega gets Sheer Force; it's not as strong as it would be with Life Orb + Sheer Force 😅
Unless it's attack stat is VERY high 😂

[timber falcon]

From what I can see (besides swqakabily ) Landorus-I is the only viable sheer force mon that isn’t actually invalidated by incin lol

Actually including sqwakabilly, mistook it for chatot

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Lando-I is the best option overall

[sleek oriole]

Man the mega camel has like no health hahaha

[leaden fox]

Another solid game 😛
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2527349664

[timber falcon]

iffy T1 but a win is a win

[leaden fox]

Yeah, but at least it made them waste their Tera

[timber falcon]

True that, I’m assuming that dengo was specs or smth

[leaden fox]

Fairly likely, since my Flutter was a bit bulkier while able to push out damage

But made the smart play in predicting the wake up too

[timber falcon]

T6 was a mess for them, targeting lando and keeping dengo in wasn’t it

[rigid bridge]

should i keep my Ogerpons SpA IV at 20 for future ranked regulations or is it ok to max it out via hyper training?

[timber falcon]

What’s the point of maxing it out tho

Unless you wanna use a gold bottle cap it’s better to save resources, either works tho. Im pretty sure the only illegal pon is one with spatck IVs below 20

[rigid bridge]

I have no clue tbh, im kinda new to comp and just checked out some teams for Reg I and most of them seem to have SpA maxed out while reg f teams keep it at 20 apparently

[timber falcon]

Idk maybe im missing smth

[dense latch]

there's no reason to have it higher or lower

[timber falcon]

That’s what I was thinking

[dense latch]

some players just use gold bottle caps so it maxes out instantly, some use bottle caps and dont bother touching it

it's not like attack IVs which for special attackers it's technically optimal to keep as low as possible

[leaden fox]

I know Ogerpon doesn't really use it's SpAtk, so you don't need to worry about maxing that out

[rigid bridge]

alright, i see, thanks

[timber falcon]

The reason why it’s better to keep your spatckers IVs low is “foul play” a dark type move that does damage based off your mons attack stats

Just for that extra bit of info

[dense latch]

confusion damage also calcs off your attack stat

[dense latch]

it's not super worth it but if you have the time and foul play is common enough then go for it

the only mon where i think it makes a big difference is shadow rider

[foggy lodge]

And Lunala

[dense latch]

o yea true

[foggy lodge]

Tbh in anything that its weak to foul play it can matter

If you are not weak to dark then its mostly a whatever

[solid frigate]

I’m saving this

[foggy lodge]

Would there ever be a reason to use Nidoqueen or Nidoking over Lando-I

[leaden fox]

Not really 😅

[foggy lodge]

Ig stab sludge bomb is cool but they reach such similar calcs and Landorus is just better in every stat

And now you have tera to boost the sludge bomb

[solid frigate]

There really isn’t

[solid frigate]

The stats are way worse than Lando I

But I guess Physical side there’s that

But Lando has a form thag already deals with that

[rigid bridge]

Are 0 atk IVs for landorus super important? I sadly don’t have access to a game where I could catch a landorus so I tried trading for 2 on GTS but they all far away from having a 0 atk iv.

Sm1 explained that 0 atk IVs are important to avoid foul play dmg but idk how important that is at the end and if not having 0 atk IVs are a reason to try another team instead

[foggy lodge]

You can't even use the physical stat cuz you get intimidated and their physical moves are just way worse than the special ones

[foggy lodge]

No its not important

I think I've seen this discussion 3 times already

[waxen dock]

Its very niche

You only need it if for some reason foul play or confuse ray murkrow becomes the new meta or something

[wooden steeple]

nah lol james evans lando he got to 2nd at worlds had like 28 lmao

[waxen dock]

finaly

we got the gc points

i now have 300 points

[warm estuary]

How many do you need for word

[waxen dock]

cant give you a number

but lets say thats probably enough

[warm estuary]

Oh alright

[waxen dock]

The other 2,1 did like 1616 which got him 95 place(i was 50 and something) wwhile the other did like 1473 i think(i could be wrong but it make sense cuz thats the highest person i found with his name) which got him top low top 400 i think

[leaden fox]

Very nice 😁

[leaden fox]

Pokémon Day cannot come soon enough

[warm estuary]

Guys I’m lowk cooked at bo3

Like with the open team sheets in general

I dunno how to use the open team sheets at best

[next stump]

It’s a really hard skill to build

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Open Team Sheets takes a bit to get used to

[warm estuary]

Guess i just gotta practice

[leaden fox]

Yep; always the case in the end

[foggy lodge]

Play limitless tours too

Managing OTS is actually super hard since you have to consider how one tera, item or move can become your opponent's win condition

[shadow wind]

Perfect reasonings for them, competitively sheer force is almost always the best ability mons can pick and Copperajah has great moves to use with it like iron head or play rough. As well as the already mentioned lorb synergy

[leaden fox]

Another "interesting" game xD
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2527616993

[rigid bridge]

Does it make any sense to run Trick room in a team that has no 0 speed IV mons?

[leaden fox]

I mean, it does yeah 😅

[rigid bridge]

Is it played differently than in teams that use 0 iv speed mons?

[leaden fox]

Well basically it means you will be slow enough that you will outspeed in TR

Even if your opponents have the same mons, not all run low speed mons

[rigid bridge]

So I’m basically hoping that my enemies mons are faster than mine even with me not having 0 IV in speed?

[leaden fox]

Yeah, just as long as you make sure you get TR up, you'll be good

[rigid bridge]

Ight, thanks 🙌🏼

[gentle crag]

simbaqlf has given 1 Gen Rep to djdanny88

[leaden fox]

A suggestion; consider running Farigiraf (Armor Tail ability) with a Mental Herb 🙂

[foggy lodge]

A lot of TR setters don't even run 0 speed

Personally I've never ran a Porygon2 with 0 speed IVs for example

[left bobcat]

MY HONORRRRRR

[rustic mountain]

main thing not running 0 speed tr is u do have to know ur speed brackets for the current meta pretty well to accurately assess and pick ur spots for setting it

[waxen dock]

Htr or soft tr or tailroom?

[warm estuary]

Yeah Exactly that’s the problem

I know this is probably a dumb question but what are limitless tour?

Like I know limitless the website

[foggy lodge]

They are just tournaments that people organize in the website

[rigid bridge]

How am I playing against a darkrai? Had my first match against it and it feels super unfair to be asleep 24/7😂

[solid frigate]

Man having Miraidon is such a nice service

[rigid bridge]

Btw is everyone in the ranked mode using genned mons by any chance? Literally everyone I versed had their whole team consisting of only shinies (even the mons u can’t obtain in sv)

[next stump]

there’s a good chance but also the game has been out for years by now

and you only need to get shiny legendaries once ever

[leaden fox]

Cannot say if they are genned in since many can be shiny hunted from other titles too; and with HOME, you can transfer them in

[solid frigate]

Using Genned Mons in Ladder is mostly fine

GC I’m not too sure since I always build my teams

And definitely not In person events cuz one got disqualified for not playing the DLC to get Terapagos

[leaden fox]

Yeah, you cannot gen in mons during any official competition online or in-person; as it can get you banned for a long time

Though it feels worse when your friend gives you a mon, you find out it's genned in a regional and you get DQ'd for it

[solid frigate]

I still find funny that they genned Terapagos for the regionals because they do not bother play the DLC

When the DLC is honestly pretty darn good

[leaden fox]

I played the DLC because it was fun and worth it O_O

[solid frigate]

It’s honestly worth it

And genuinely the DLC mons in SV is a lot better than SWSH in Story

[leaden fox]

And if you've done the DLC story; you are able to get the Legends from many games (minus a select few Legendary mons) via ScarVio, like Kubfu, Lunala, etc

Though I still need to grab that Kubfu so I have my SwSh Urshifu and ScarVio Urshifu; obviously each form

@solid frigate Any hopes for Gen10 mons? Like type combos you'd like to see? Whether for non-RegF mons, etc 😅

[solid frigate]

Not too sure?

But if there’s a design I like then it’s probably gonna be either funny or cursed

[leaden fox]

Yeah, makes sense 😅 I am kinda hoping for a new Eeveelution; but that is me xD

Though hoping to see more competitive viable Eeveelutions 😅

[warm estuary]

I know you didn’t ask me but i want a water fire type

[leaden fox]

Yeah it's fair to still answer 🙂 And yeah, considering the only Fire/Water type is Volcanion, would certainly be good

[warm estuary]

I don’t even like volcanion 😔

Also i want a rock type eeveelution

[leaden fox]

tbf, I'd like them to make a Fighting type and Flying type Eeveelution pair xP

[stone trellis]

Flying is such a great type, man.

(As in I love Flying types)

[leaden fox]

@stone trellis Yeah, don't blame ya xP Plus we barely have any pure Flying types xP

[warm estuary]

Yes bc half of them are also normal

[leaden fox]

pretty much yeah

[warm estuary]

Oh I saw them yes

[rigid bridge]

I always thought genned mons are super frowned upon (even in ranked) but I can kinda understand it cause getting all the meta mons is quite expensive if u don’t alr have swsh+dlc

Is it even worth it buying swsh now for the legendaries or am I on the safer side if i would go for za?

[solid frigate]

You kinda only buy swsh just to get Zacian and Zamazenta

Oh and Base Calyrex

[rigid bridge]

Prolly not the best investment considering Champions will be released soon? I read that Champions will prolly ban swsh mons and that the meta will most likely be a mega evo. meta at release

[solid frigate]

Usually not

[waxen dock]

Just get those from go

[solid frigate]

I’m just talking about Mainline Games+Legends

[rigid bridge]

I’ll prolly go for za then to prepare for champions ig

[leaden fox]

Considering that info is probably not an official statement; unlikely honestly.
Considering that some of the mons that Mega you can get from SwSh + ScarVio
All we know is that we can use Pokémon HOME to transfer mons in

[leaden fox]

The only downside atm; until we get Champions' release date, we likely won't know what mons are viable/legal on the Ranked ladder and in-person events 😅

Thougfh heard the placeholder for the release date (currently, but officially) is 2nd April

[waxen dock]

probably wrong

its 1 day after the new format takes place

while the new format is supposed to be champions

so how exactly does the new format starts on a game that hasnt been released yet?

[versed geyser]

Does anyone have the SV DLC and can help me with tera shards?

[leaden fox]

Yeah, just the placeholder for now; not the definite date

[leaden fox]

If only the Blissey 5 star raids were on at the time; would've made it easier 🙁

[primal saddle]

does anyone here have experience making weezing-galar work in reg f?

i built a team but its hard to distinguish between fact and fetish

[leaden fox]

Reason I dislike Scale Shot (and not for the reason you think xD)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2528152258

[leaden fox]

I have "a little" experience with it; but not to a great degree 😅
But it really slows your opponent down a lot for sure

You want to benefit from members on your team you know you don't need to have their abilities to be really good

Example: Choice Specs Flutter

[primal saddle]

https://pokepast.es/9ae8744eac0149ca

funny you say flutter...

[leaden fox]

😂 Had a feeling

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 124 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Icy Wind
• Trick Room
• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast

@primal saddle Try this

[dense latch]

why trick room over dgleam

[leaden fox]

Just something someone ran in the recent regionals

[primal saddle]

the team is performing well, i am wondering whether strange steam or sludgebomb makes more sense on weezing tbh haah

idont get the trick room on that set

[leaden fox]

Strange Steam + Sludge Bomb do work well on G-Weezing; and I think the Trick Room was there in case they were going against a TR player

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 124 SpD / 180 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• Detect

@primal saddle Try this stat spread too for Urshifu

[primal saddle]

can you explain it?/

[dense latch]

it should live a tclap from av or lefties bolt

[foggy lodge]

It just got 2nd at a regional

[dense latch]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 108 HP / 188 Atk / 4 Def / 124 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

if you want something bulkier

[foggy lodge]

https://www.vrpastes.com/fdWCmpWm

[dense latch]

mystic water 188+ OHKOs bulkless ogerpon

[leaden fox]

Yep

[dense latch]

this also lives earth power from lando, miracle seed glide from rilla and a 50% chance to live moonblast from those bold flutters

[leaden fox]

Just posting the spreads I have mainly 😅

[primal saddle]

what do you guys think of the squad's synergy in genera?

[dense latch]

84 speed evs is as low as i would go though since that just barely outspeeds max speed modest bolt

[dense latch]

i can’t see much not gonna lie

i don’t know how these pieces work together to form decent lines and leads

[primal saddle]

interesting

i thought i did a good job haha

[dense latch]

it could just be me

also your weezing is investing into the wrong attack stat

[primal saddle]

oops!

[dense latch]

it feels very forced in too

[primal saddle]

haha thanks 🙂

i have a fetish what can i say...

[leaden fox]

not a statement I expected to see xD

[stone trellis]

Hope you mean it in the obsession kind and not the sexual kind.

[leaden fox]

lmao 😂

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWSNgLMY8QQ

[leaden fox]

Looking at some of the info we are aware of as well; I do believe some things may end up being altered, especially as it has been quite some time since it was announced and since the last trailer we were shown; probably expect a few changes being added by the time we get to Pokémon Day next

I know I hope we get the normal amount of EVs to be more precise on the EVs instead of the 66 points shown; as well as various other additions/changes 😅

[exotic river]

im tryng to make a sun team that revolves around bellosom, im not sure if thats possible. Can anyone give me any tips? right now my team consists of torkoal lillignat magmortar volbeat bellossom and roaring moon. when i use bellossom i typically send her out with volbeat and i use sunny day first turn

[next stump]

oof, 50 speed stat

I don't think it's going to be possible to win more than like 25% of games

[exotic river]

aw ok

[exotic river]

would it be bad to have torkoal and ninetales on the same sun team

[dense latch]

yes

it’s redundant to have them both in the same team

[next stump]

yeah 100%, maybe you could do like sunny day whimsicott or flutter mane

but that's the extent of having 2 sun users

[rustic mountain]

more then we think but still not much

[upper zealot]

yeah i learned nothing new from that vid ngl

except for some stuff about nfe's that i dont particularly care for

[leaden fox]

Perish Fail 😅
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2528639355

[warm estuary]

Perish song flutter is something I never thinked of seeing

I didn’t even knew flutter had perish song

[leaden fox]

Yeah, one of only two Ancient Paradox that gets it I believe 😅
But they refused to keep Gothitelle in, one of the main factors of Perish Trap 😂

[warm estuary]

Exactly lol

The other one was scream tail if I’m not wrong

[leaden fox]

yep

Never underestimate the mushroom xD
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2528646164

[waxen dock]

Low ladder trying to use perish:

[leaden fox]

Yep, pretty much so 😅
Them trying to be the next Wolfe Glick, didn't work out xP

[rigid bridge]

Is there a way to get my hands on giovannis ev spread from his worlds 2025 team?

Pokepaste doesn’t have them listed

[stone trellis]

The Flutter Mane is certainly 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid.

[solid frigate]

I think he revealed the EVs before I forgot is it in his Twitter or in a team report

[leaden fox]

I mean, it has been a while since the Worlds 2025; so wouldn't be too shocked if many of us can't remember 😅

[leaden fox]

Interesting matchup, luckily I managed xP
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2528777770

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/8219fd08edb82b41
Just to check, how's my team looking?
It's had a solid lot of wins and very few losses 🙂

[waxen dock]

looks solid

[leaden fox]

Yeah, originally had Tornadus instead of Incineroar; but Tornadus was struggling like heck, so running Incin helped

And with that stat spread, it manages to survive a lot of attacks

Love how people think stall can help xP
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2528805585

[rigid bridge]

Which team would y’all run in reg i?

[next stump]

calyrex ice

[leaden fox]

Honestly, I've never had just the one team before; but yeah, running Caly-Ice is a good shout; but all depends if you wish to play a mix team of speed and trick room; or just make Caly-Ice bulky

[warm estuary]

Reg i is double restricted right?

[leaden fox]

yep

[warm estuary]

Ohh then I would run caly ice miraidon

I had used a decent team some time ago on reg i with these 2

It worked good and it had iron hands my absolute goat

I love iron hands

Wait did iron hands win worlds in 2024 or am I tripping?

[leaden fox]

trying to remember honestly xD

[next stump]

yes it did

[warm estuary]

Right he was italian too lol

[rigid bridge]

Alright, thanks y’all. Gonna look into some CIR teams. Is bulky CIR is meant to be played as a hard trick room team?

[leaden fox]

Not all the time, usually depends on what you are running overall in the team

[tall lance]

Yo ppl rate my team i wanna know if it’s decent for competitive

[leaden fox]

Looks good honestly 🙂

Though cannot overly judge without the EVs and Move sets xD

[foggy lodge]

Why loaded dice calyrex

[leaden fox]

Honestly; never seen Loaded Dice on CalyIce before O_o
Clear Amulet and Leftover yeah, but not Loaded Dice

[foggy lodge]

Icicle plate/never melt ice are good too

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2528965228-qf96exy9ai1k7ydbv5kucgog056lg0dpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2528969853-wik7sxo9mwytrnix4wjm9qu598ide5gpw

1500 IN BO3 LETS GOO

[leaden fox]

nice nice 🙂

[stone trellis]

The thing with Ice Rider is it's so tanky that it doesn't care.

It's actually somewhat flexible despite its shit Speed.

[dense latch]

goat shit 🔥 congrats

[rigid bridge]

Should I run a tailwind support mon in a CSR Team in case I get a mirror match or sm1 tries to outspeed me?

[solid frigate]

Loaded Dice Caly is ummmm

What are the Movesets on the mons

[next stump]

definitely could work, a lot of those teams like tailwind

[wooden steeple]

against marco fiero sun, what would be the ideal tera type on ting lu?

mainly scared of ogerpon and ursaluna

[rigid bridge]

Im getting absolutely destroyed when trying to play CSR. I always try to start with CSR+ brute bonnet/incineroar to use a redirection effect or fake out to then use nasty plot on CSR for more dmg on astral barrage turn 2 but it seems like it barely works

Should I do smth differently? It mainly feels like I’m missing some sort of speed control. I’m kinda cooked in trick room cause csr is too fast but I’m also fried if my enemies use tailwind cause I’m too slow

[foggy lodge]

Probably water

Oh but you get clapped by power whip

[wooden steeple]

yea ogerpons a problem

I'm looking at tera ghost???

poison and fairy almost do it but are too passive

[foggy lodge]

Poison can help into Flutter Rockpon

But you get clapped by the Ursa

Depends on what gameplan you can execute

[left bobcat]

POISON

[rustic mountain]

ur trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. so yea u def should be changing things up whether its leads or mons dont just go for the same thing every game u gta assume ur opponent atleast somewhat knows wat ur doin or trynna do so u need to give urself the tools. if tr and tw are problematic think of wat u have on ur team if no lead combo/ 4mons are effective might be worth considering changing items/teras or the mon itself

gta be able to identify a team problem vs a u problem

[rigid bridge]

What would possible other lead combinations look like in a team consisting of CSR,Brute bonnet,incineroar,landorus,raging bolt and koraidon? I’m super new to comp so I don’t really got a hang of all strategies yet

[leaden fox]

tbf, discovering your best leads are always rather difficult; I know of three leads for my RegF team, just all depends on what my opponent runs that I can determine the best leads

[left bobcat]

Yes my glorious king

[leaden fox]

I swear that this type of team I manage too well O_o
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2529491290

[rigid bridge]

i see, makes sense. Would u say that CIR should be played with Miraidon or is there an arguement for Lunala? Thats what im currently trying out: https://pokepast.es/7c8ab46f9370695b

Most of the time i try to lead with CIR + indeedee, Lunala + Indeedee or CIR + smeargle. After TR is set i mostly try to use Lunala+CIR to win or Torkoal instead of lunala

[leaden fox]

Yeah, whenever I see leads for CIR, it's usually something like CIR + Indeedee-F often; since Psychic Terrain stops priority + follow me plays for CIR to apply Trick Room

The best thing to do is setting up plays like that from the get go, then keep one fast mon like Miraidon in the back for the later end of the match/game

Though don't be afraid to use a mon like Incineroar as well; it's kit is very, very viable

But looking at your team, I'd say leads like CIR and Indeedee-F are your best options, and dependent on your opponent's team, can have Lunala and Urshifu in the back, unless you stick to Hard Trick Room and have Torkoal in the back

It varies on a team by team basis; but I possibly would suggest running a mon like Amoongus over Smeargle looking at your team, but that is just my opinion

[warm estuary]

Both miraidon and lunala are good if the team is good it depends on the other mons

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/bcdd6dc6537bc1ca
I remember running this team once in Reg I

[warm estuary]

Ohhhh shadow rider and zamazenta was a good couple

I runned miraidon and ice rider

[leaden fox]

I did use this comp too
https://pokepast.es/f1a4f2f3e0660594

[warm estuary]

Right terapagos exist

[leaden fox]

Yeah, and Tera Starstorm punished many Teras

[rigid bridge]

I will try that out. Smeargle never really came into play tbh cause i always tried to lead with indeedee as the redirector

[leaden fox]

Yeah, plus gives you access to things like Spore etc

@rigid bridge
Amoonguss (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 188 Def / 8 SpA / 76 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

Try this spread

In trick room, this'll allow you to outspeed certain mons, but not every mon; but puts on pressure as well

[rigid bridge]

Would he be an option to lead with as well or am i bringing him out after my indeedee died/i decide to switch her out?

[warm estuary]

You can also use pollen puff over sludge bomb (less damage but allows you to heal your teammates)

[leaden fox]

Best to keep Indeedee-F in your team along with Amoongus, just means you can bring Amoongus out after Indeedee-F goes down

[leaden fox]

Yeah, you just have to be careful of that since Follow Me (and Rage Powder if you Tera out of Grass) can redirect Pollen Puff their way if they know you are gonna heal

[warm estuary]

Yeah that’s one of the problem I just like to run him like this

[leaden fox]

yep; plus Sludge Bomb can help Poison chip a little

if the Poison happens

[warm estuary]

Yes but it actually needs to happen

https://pokepast.es/41f4c993487add12
btw this was the team i ran in reg i

The ammongus was tera water I forgot to put it in this pokepaste

[leaden fox]

all good

I know I didn't try to go Tera Grass on CIR, since if it was a mirror match, then you get blown back 😅

[warm estuary]

I was putting it bc if I was against an ammongus and I was in trick room bc CIR obviously needed trick room I couldn’t get spored

@leaden fox what was the like best tera for CIR? water right?

[leaden fox]

Usually Water yeah

[warm estuary]

Cool i was right

[warm estuary]

I still prefer the grass I hate getting asleep by those ammongus

Why did they have to make ammongus so good

[leaden fox]

That was a close match O_o
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2529527761

[warm estuary]

Really close

[leaden fox]

Literally had 7 HP left btw O_o

[rigid bridge]

I’m getting absolutely destroyed by every kyogre I meet. It’s spread move is horribly strong🫠

And most of them I met run grass tera so spores are useless

[warm estuary]

Kyogre is really strong in fact

[solid frigate]

Koraidon has neutral Matchup against Kyogre

How are you getting destroyed

Or 60/40 idk

[rigid bridge]

I’m not running koraidon. I mainly just eat OHKO if kyogre uses his spread while being full hp

Gonna switch my CIR tera to water ig

[next stump]

do you have a pokepaste of your team?

[rigid bridge]

https://pokepast.es/bcdd6dc6537bc1ca

instead of smeargle I’m running this amoonguss now that Danny recommended.

Amoonguss (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 188 Def / 8 SpA / 76 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

[dense latch]

remove the SpAtk evs it’s wasting 4 EVs

[rigid bridge]

Could I make room for a kyogre?

[next stump]

I might be confused what did you link the wrong sheet?

[rigid bridge]

Omg yh, it is the wrong sheet

One sec

[rigid bridge]

https://pokepast.es/7c8ab46f9370695b

That should be the right one

[next stump]

I’ve seen these kinda hard TR teams sometimes lead Torkoal into Kyogre teams to get sun up and then hard swap out while you click trick room

[stone trellis]

Kyogre never gets led.

That's the #1 rule of Kyogre teams.

They always have it in the back.

[solid frigate]

Tbf in very rare cases you would

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/MichaelderBeste/status/2017300122753704431?s=20

MichaelderBeste (@MichaelderBeste)

These are my recreations of all winning teams from last weekend. I know some of the spreads are a little ambitious (180 Def Pao lmao) but the teams are fun!

Stecca (3-0) https://t.co/jNonHKFLnN
MaxVGC (3-0) https://t.co/ZIA22gWmsC
Yoav (TBD) https://t.co/8P2Snz1MAd

X · Jan 30, 2026, 6:13 PM

[molten oasis]

That’s a wild pao set

[leaden fox]

Do you have Wide Guard on any of your mons? Especially for Kyogre, etc

Though I believe Lunala gets Wide Guard

[rigid bridge]

Nope, lunala could run it but I don’t have it on it yet

[leaden fox]

May be a consideration since Kyogre, Groudon, both Calyrex horse forms use multi-target moves

[stone trellis]

Same with Miraidon (best Pokemon in the format btw).

[leaden fox]

yep

[forest arrow]

You misspelled Koraidon

[stone trellis]

Me when I'm lying to cope:

[forest arrow]

HAHAHA

[leaden fox]

xD

[warm estuary]

Lol

[solid frigate]

The GOAT Korai

[rigid bridge]

Do u remember what your Leads were?

[rustic mountain]

idk koraidon did win worlds

[leaden fox]

Trying to think myself; been a while since I have used it xD
I think the leads were: CSR + Incin, Ursh+Torn, Zama+Ursh & Rilla+CSR

It all solely depends on the teams you are face that determines your leads

[bold geode]

So did Miraidon

[stone trellis]

Peaks wise, both bikes won Worlds and an international.

However, Miraidon also has three more regionals under its belt and won Worlds in a single restricted format.

[rustic mountain]

thats so 2024 koraidon the current champ

[bold geode]

According to Tree, the bikes are like fashion trends

[rustic mountain]

all im sayin is i dont remember seeing miraidon in top 4 worlds 2025

[molten oasis]

Probably cuz everyone prepped for it

[bold geode]

I mean that's also the same event a Ho Oh MU fished its way to top 16

[leaden fox]

tbf, it is more funny that Zacian, the most used Restricted in SwSh lost it's crown so quickly since it's signature attack became diminished a little 😅

[shell meadow]

What regulation will the next ranked season be? (I'm new to competitive pokemon so I don't know how the rotation of regulations works)

[next stump]

Next in game ranked season will be the same regulation as January

Regulation I I'm pretty sure

[rustic mountain]

give this small victory to koraidon b4 it fades into obscurity along w/ tera

[warm estuary]

Without dynamax it was pretty useless

[rustic mountain]

id say the nerf to intrepid sword was the worst thing to happen to it tho dmax being gone didnt help

[molten oasis]

Revert zacians attack stat!

[bold geode]

Bro not even just that
It has to pray it's in restricted format without Primal Groudon

Or Primal Kyogre

[forest arrow]

So 2024, Korai betterrr

[rustic mountain]

primals seem centralizing enough itd just b a matter of what restricted u pair it w/ not if ur running them

so yea unless u want double sun or dual weather its not really gna b something ud want

champions gives them more leeway to change up the formats but id prefer they didnt jump around too much i would like a regular progression of a mega format as past years had been

so if they follow the usual trajectory wed get primals eventually

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure
I wanna see regional, natdex and restricted with each mechanic tbh and then mixing up tbh

Or basically some sort of thinf where you give each mechanic its own time to shine and then mix and match

[rustic mountain]

same

especially since a lot of players are newer itd b nice to get some time w. megas on their own

[bold geode]

Yeah
Like honestly even in these cases I'd still like to see for example Urshifu or Calyrex in certain formats with them but

Don't have to go batshit with the mechanics off rip

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt mind some time away from those guys but itd only b a matter of time b4 natdex and restricted where theyd more then likely be allowed

only so much u can avoid now that they r in that pool, unless gf pulls what they did w/ the gen 6 restricteds this gen

[bold geode]

Oh you'd get some time away of course
Hell I don't even want them right away but like
I'd like to see how they'd fit in to a mega format

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Like I mainly think that's the reason we have to start with a regional dex format

Cuz imagine a new player that has never been interested in competitive download champions cuz hey it seems fun and then be insta destroyed by a Miraidon or a Chi-Yu

You have to attract the new players and mainly the casuals and the reality is that most casuals hate legendaries

[rustic mountain]

ud hope but champions is new territory, they could very well just not go back straight away to a regional dex format

[rustic mountain]

for every casual thats turned off from legends theres another thats excited to use them. but yea id agree especially for just baseline learning; lower power formats are going to be more effective at that

[stone trellis]

CSR's the third best restricted and I didn't see him getting top 8 in Worlds 2024.

[leaden fox]

Tbf, if you know how to counter CSR, wouldn’t shock me 😅

[warm estuary]

What is that cursola 😭

[stone trellis]

I'm so glad the world is healing and we're no longer on the unneccessary CSR glaze phase.

[leaden fox]

We'll have a new complaint once Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon return 😂

[stone trellis]

At least Pdon and Primal Kyogre actually won shit and weren't carried to shit off of their performance on the online ladder.

(Before the CSR glazers ride in to defend it, no, the fact that it's a big threat doesn't matter, Miraidon's an equally big threat and it won twice the tournaments (INCLUDING A WORLDS WIN) in the same two formats)

[leaden fox]

Well that much is true yeah xP

[leaden fox]

Makes you wonder though; who will be better in competitive when they are allowed? Primal Groudon? Or Primal Kyogre?
Though I may end up saying Primal Kyogre because of various factors 😅

[bold geode]

Once again
Target on its back for longer
All imma say

[next stump]

I think CSR may have a worlds 2022 win

and it won NAIC that year

[stone trellis]

I am not talking about anything before S/V, as I have no experience with those formats.

[stone trellis]

You'd think it would at least be close to matching Miraidon in terms of tournament wins, but it really isn't (at least in Masters).

It's not like Miraidon is this super underground threat that nobody was looking out for all eight times it won a tournament.

[leaden fox]

That and the unfortunate fact that we only had one format in Regionals/ICs/Worlds during SwSh 🙁

Mainly due to one big reason

[solid frigate]

It won 2022 yeah

With Zacian of course,tho I love the defiant Thundy

It’s at least justified given how many Incin there are

[next stump]

that was a fun pokemon to use, it’s a shame it has practically no flying STAB

dual wingbeat or something and suddenly it’s at least usable

[solid frigate]

Yeah true

Bro doesn’t even have Air slash is depressing

[stone trellis]

Crazy how, despite benefitting from Tera a lot and being in a format where a lot of Ghost types were there for it to farm, CSR somehow ended up being more fraudulent in 2024-2025 compared to 2022 (winning an IC and then winning Worlds is better than winning four regionals and placing second in an IC and Worlds in my opinion).

[leaden fox]

I remember when single restricted happened during SwSh; Solgaleo was such a menace xD

[stone trellis]

Solgaleo wasn't always a fraud?

[leaden fox]

Dynamax mechanics allowed you some stat boosts (steel = def+1, ground = spdef+1), so with it's Clear Body aspect, you could make it bulkier 😅

And I didn't face many using Haze

[stone trellis]

Did it also use Weakness Policy?

[leaden fox]

Yes I did 😛

[stone trellis]

It has a lot of base HP, so combined with Dynamax, that would probably help it a lot.

[leaden fox]

I became quite a monster 🙂 Especially when I used a fast, weak phys attacker to Bulldoze 😅

[stone trellis]

That's unironically really fun and creative.

I wish I get to pull that off once Champions has its Dynamax format.

[leaden fox]

You can do the same type of plays with Metagross as well; just not as much HP

Also believe G-Moltres was more a threat in Dynamax era

[bold geode]

The first one
Yeah it kinda was being doubted
But also man
Look at all the Dark types lol

[stone trellis]

It would be crazy if it had synergy with some of the best Fighting types in the game, as well as the option to Tera out of the Dark weaknesses.

[warm estuary]

Guys shiny koraidon and miraidon still can’t be obtained right?

[next stump]

they were given out last year

[waxen dock]

they could be obtained a few months ago

but only in limited amount of countries

like 20 countries

[warm estuary]

Oh lol i didn’t know that I taught they were still unobtainable

Bc I was playing and there was this shiny koraidon so i got a bit schocked lol

[waxen dock]

they were avilable in italy mexico chile south korea japan usa i think canada and probably some more

[solid frigate]

I got both but I have to return shiny Koraidon to my friend soon

[waxen dock]

i wish i could have gotten even one of them

[warm estuary]

I didn’t get it😔

[waxen dock]

me too

they werent avilable in my country

[warm estuary]

Lol here’s another one against me

[waxen dock]

the distribution was super limited

[solid frigate]

I kinda just have my friends to help me get one

[waxen dock]

if the distribution wasnt that limited there could have been one in my country

[warm estuary]

I have to admit shiny koraidon is very cool

[waxen dock]

but everyone forgot about them after october

[upper zealot]

i got a koraidon from gamestop and i won a miraidon from a local

[warm estuary]

W

[rustic mountain]

but it did for 2025, its back on top

also on a serious note csr is like 1a 1b w/ miraidon its been extremely consistent throughout its playing career

[stone trellis]

Never won a single international (or Worlds in a single age division), you'd hardly call that "back on top".

And the entire thing with CSR is its inconsistency.

[rustic mountain]

it did tho

as dillon mentioned it won worlds 2022

and csr is consistent im not sure y u think otherwise just look at reg i results maybe no internats but its always in the running, got a pretty high conversion for top cut 2025

[stone trellis]

I do not care about 2022, I have zero familiarity with pre-SV formats.

[bold geode]

Tbh
I feel like this shit just matter of opinion

[rustic mountain]

well for the sake of the discussion it matters doesnt matter if u care or not lol

[stone trellis]

It doesn't matter, actually.

[rustic mountain]

it has showcased the ability to win on the highest stage

[bold geode]

Mean it kinda does
Incineroar didn't win Worlds in SV, what does that mean

[stone trellis]

If we're measuring Miraidon and CSR on an equal level, giving CSR another extra year to compare kinda skews the comparison a bit.

My point remains that CSR isn't the best, but it's a "close" second.

[bold geode]

Yet you called it 3rd best

[stone trellis]

My agenda as an Ice Rider player is to always place it above Shadow Rider.

But yeah, agendas aside, it's the second best.

[bold geode]

I think it's the best
Sure it might not have won anything but it's the restricted that's probably forced the most respect and the most meta changes against it

You can't look at Shilliang's NAIC 24 team of 4 Dark types and say that's for Miraidon

That and the spread damage is a bit more busted

Like Miraidon had Tera Fairy Gleam but that's not an Astral Barrage

[rustic mountain]

i mean its not really saying these guys are purely equal off the same amount of years played its just saying given what theyve shown in whatever respective time displayed pretty good conversion for the formats theyve been allowed as well as overall presence and pressure that is centralizing to a format. both of those guys apply there. 1a 1b means interchangeable im not gna say nah if someone thinks miraidon is better but csr has a case

[bold geode]

Plus you get more value out of Miraidon's single target anyways

But yeah point is that argument is opinion based too
Especially if you consider the SV era where in a single restricted format you kinda had Ice Rider, Shadow Rider and Miraidon all in a Mexican standoff the whole damn format on that argument

[solid frigate]

really just depends on how you feel about them than anything cuz all three have their merits

[rustic mountain]

we r not throwing ice rider in there now haha

but yea there was a time earlier in the format cir was killin it

[solid frigate]

if we talk about reg G then yeah

Reg I it was just Miraidon and CSR

[rustic mountain]

funny all the top 5 r just gen 7 and on

[bold geode]

I feel like you could LMAO

You definitely could throw it in that argument

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt

[solid frigate]

more like Gen 8 onwards

Cuz Lunala ain't crashing into top 5 in restricted formats now

(Even if Reg I it was stupid close thanks to Bikes+Lunala)

[rustic mountain]

i think lunala did well enough u could argue top 5, tho id have it 6

[bold geode]

I mean do I think Ice Rider wins the argument? Hell no but I think it at least gets to stand on the podium and get a medal

[solid frigate]

wait i think i did the math wrong

[rustic mountain]

basically its bikes and horses and either zama or lunala as that 5th

[solid frigate]

how did i forgot about Zama-

[rustic mountain]

idk

[solid frigate]

but still i think it depends how the meta going

cuz Zama and Lunala are easily interchangable

[rustic mountain]

yea i think the 5th just depends on the player, i used zama more so i might be bias but lunala being there is also extremely valid

zama was more consistent throughout but lunala had better highs (winning worlds nats and a regional in reg i)

actually lunala was pretty consistent too might actually give it to it for 5th

[dense latch]

somehow won one in reg g and got a 2nd place too

[solid frigate]

i think for me

1.CSR (Overall Dominance and respect over players,Teammates are almost always consistent and biggest winner out of Tera mechanic)
2.Miraidon (Impressive Damage Output and overall unique synergy,also mildly Versatile)
3.CIR (Amazing on Trick Room and one of the bigger winners in Tera and Reg G)
4.Koraidon (More Better in Double Restricteds and often carry synergy with the Proto mons)
5.Zama (Consistent on Both Regulations and its a good support utility while being a strong attacker,also utilise Tera well)
6.Lunala (Only consistent in Double Restricteds with Koraidon and Miraidon,same thing applies to Lunala on Zama side)

[rustic mountain]

yea our initial lists are the same

[solid frigate]

this is only what i think normally since i put Lunala at 5th before when Reg I started

[rustic mountain]

lunala might take it over zama if only for double restricted rankings, if we are doing just restricted in general then yea it stays at 6

[solid frigate]

i do think 7th is Kyogre would be somewhat fair

since it does well in both formats unlike pagos who is good in reg G,bad in Reg I

[rustic mountain]

that i think becomes much more widespread in how its ranked and doesnt matter as much

especially yea if its double or just overall restricted

[bold geode]

The one argument I hated though was when people said the Calyrexes were just VERY broken and ruined the format

[solid frigate]

idk i just think Rain is significantly worse in Restricted formats for like a while

[solid frigate]

it clearly didn't lmfao

You could see the counterplay is everywhere-

[rustic mountain]

i think b/c a lot of players are newer they dont realize that meta centralization is going to happen and that your going to have your broken guys dominate. difference is things always have counters and the extent to which ppl went on about it was very reactionary

[bold geode]

Yeah fr and like honestly they weren't that crazy but you know what the real fucking problem about it was

It wasn't that they were broken
It's the fact they were broken and only had one weakness

[rustic mountain]

i dont remember in swsh ppl having quite the same kind of complaints (really was just for zacian but ppl just accepted it and u had arc and incin to slow it down). i think tera also makes it more challenging cuz the usual xyz to beat it doesnt necessarily apply

[bold geode]

Which was a weakness they could avoid

[solid frigate]

i did used to hate CSR since the teammates compliments it too well that it almost feel unfair

But tbh it just depends how you tackle them

[solid frigate]

isn't CSR in SWSH a lot weaker than rn tho

Like (I'm sorry i have to talk about wolfe) but he put CSR in mid

[molten oasis]

I still hate the calys but they’re a necessary evil

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-pokemon-sword-shield-pokemon-sword-gif-7754513530290782693

[molten oasis]

Mirai would be way too strong otherwise

[bold geode]

Like as someone who used Shadow Rider
The fact they let that thing use Tera was a crime

[rustic mountain]

oh 100% it wasnt nearly the same kind of threat, edu just killed it that year with his level of comfort and grasp on the meta

zacian was top dog in swsh

[molten oasis]

And now it’s mid

[solid frigate]

its funny during that time Palkia got use lol

[rustic mountain]

i meant moreso ppl complaining about meta centralization tho torrent

not specifically csr dominance in swsh

which it didnt really have

[bold geode]

Y'know what
I kinda want them to give old Intrepid back
Just for shits and giggles

[rustic mountain]

keep atk stat nerfed give it back intrepid

[molten oasis]

I’d be happy with 170 attack

[solid frigate]

honestly just this would make Zacian a lot better lol

[rustic mountain]

its sad seeing it as is

[molten oasis]

It would still be strong if it had 170 attack

Like reverting one of the things would be fine you just can’t do both

[rustic mountain]

its flexibility to swap in and out tho is way more beneficial

[bold geode]

Yeah
And that means that I get old Dauntless back

[rustic mountain]

hence if intepid sword boost came back the atk stat nerf is w/e

[solid frigate]

150+Gen8 Intrepid or 170 but Gen 9 Intrepid

[molten oasis]

Valid but then we have to deal with dauntless shield being every switch in

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Which is kinda rough

[bold geode]

Zamazenta but it could switch around? I'd be so back

[rustic mountain]

yea thatd also b very good

[solid frigate]

bro is like that one ascension spongebob gif

[rustic mountain]

theyd be manageable still they r fair restricteds giving them 1 broken thing isnt the end

[bold geode]

Ngl tho I feel like losing the Defense boost on Zamazenta especially once Reg I came around was far less as bad as Zacians deal

[rustic mountain]

some positions i didnt even care

or u do enough ur like just ko zama or imma keep being super annoying

[bold geode]

Like it's still pretty bulky and still doing respectable damage and you can still use other multipliers that don't get contended with by Intimidate

[rustic mountain]

im glad zama had some shine this gen it was so bad in gen 8

[solid frigate]

i think like there is only one zama player in gen 8

[rustic mountain]

if that

u were actively throwing if u picked zama back then

[bold geode]

Like deadass in Reg I I'd just swap out, lose the Defense boost and not even care damage wise cuz I had Helping Hand to boost it back to where it was hitting

You do the same as Zacian, I swap in Incineroar and you still hit weaker

[rustic mountain]

my fav was baiting the tera ghost outta incin and just destroying it w/ csr

the perfect partners

[bold geode]

Real
I always used Tera Bug but deadass I think that you still didn't win that exchange

[rustic mountain]

tera bug atleast gives u a bit of wiggle room u can usually survive 1 body + barrage

depending on spreads and items

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile I cope on zac Mirai cuz kyogre can’t hit pulse for shit

[stone trellis]

Why would you be sorry to have to talk about him? What did he do?

[solid frigate]

there is only one thing i want to say

And it terapagos is so ass that it got robbed two regional wins

[solid frigate]

tree doesn't like wolfe

[stone trellis]

Pagos is an actual fraud.

[rustic mountain]

?

wtf haha wen did i say that

[solid frigate]

i thought you said that or is it just the videos

[rustic mountain]

i think he makes good content just a lot of it is not for me

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Yeah but you go down so low unless you're AV so you're just like well fuck me I guess

[rustic mountain]

his battle vids tho are awesome

[foggy lodge]

What are we discussing gang

[rustic mountain]

he literally got me into vgc haha well him and cybertron

[foggy lodge]

I like his top videos but when its like old stuff

[solid frigate]

i like his swsh battle videos lol

SV ones are also fine

[bold geode]

Honestly I think that proves how good the Sun comps were in I cuz like
Zama CSR was kinda like LeBron and Wade and yet guess what won

[stone trellis]

HOW DO YOU GET BULK THAT GOOD, A GIMMICK THAT COUNTERS THE MAIN GIMMICK OF THE ENTIRE GENERATION YOU'RE IN, GREAT SETUP OPTIONS, A GOOD SPECIAL ATTACK AND COVERAGE FOR DAYS AND STILL BE SO FRAUDULENT?

[foggy lodge]

I like his videos where he recaps old formats cuz I think giving attention to old VGC is pretty cool

[solid frigate]

the only narrative one i like is with orlando regionals for reg F

[bold geode]

Also on this
I like the tournament vids and stuff like that cuz I can use them as background noise

[stone trellis]

Fucking KYOGRE won a regional before Pagos, let that shit sink in.

[bold geode]

Like I can just turn one on and not have to change shit for 2-3 hours

[rustic mountain]

i think my first one of his for swsh he was using delibird

[molten oasis]

Pagos is mid, I don’t like playing it either it plays very slow

[bold geode]

Terapagos was such a fucking fraud

[stone trellis]

I loved playing against Pagos because it was a complete coin toss as to what happened in the endgame.

[rustic mountain]

he makes engaging stories and puts a lot of work in, i just dont wanna watch 2+ hours on a recap

[bold geode]

I liked the Specs Pagos but even that was not much

[stone trellis]

If I could get Hearthflame and Lando in safely, I would win.

[solid frigate]

It was so fraud in Reg I is just

Pain

It doesn’t help when it’s bulk is non existent most of the time

[rustic mountain]

more personal then anything else nothing against wolfey

[foggy lodge]

I ate the bait of pagos being better in double res

[bold geode]

Oh for sure
Me personally I watch em once and then use them as background noise
Though I kinda watch the vids in parts so

[stone trellis]

Give literally any of Pagos' individual traits to another restricted and I swear they'll do better with them.

Can you imagine Miraidon with that sort of coverage?

[rustic mountain]

and granted ive watched a few of them, just not gna do it for every single one

[solid frigate]

Reg G it’s so much more tolerable to use Pagos

[foggy lodge]

How many pagos made day 2 at worlds last year actually

[rustic mountain]

pagos is one of the weirdest restricteds theyve ever made, and like wtf does it even do w/o tera

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure
I also just use them as background noise cuz deadass
Imma be so real, I have no music playlists and I'm too lazy to make one

[foggy lodge]

2 Terapagos,,,

[solid frigate]

Better Lugia with a spread move in tera

[foggy lodge]

And none of them made top cut,,,

[rustic mountain]

giving a mon a signature move for a mechanic? manageable outside that gen see zacian and zama, having a mon be so intergrated w/ the gimmick that it cannot function w/o it? disaster see pagos

i wonder if they thought itd b better

[foggy lodge]

I think they were sacred of making it too broken

[solid frigate]

its literally ultra necrozma situation but didn't ultra necrozma got top 4 in 2019 worlds

[bold geode]

My thing is like
It'd be fine to do that right
But the move gets weaker as spread

[rustic mountain]

right? like itd b far too oppressive since it can punish tera

[stone trellis]

And the boost from Tera Stellar wears off, meaning it becomes weaker than the original.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the offensive stats is what tell me they were scared

Like its special attack is honestly low in base form and terastallized is fine

[bold geode]

Y'all remember when that one guy ran Tera Starstorm and Sleep Talk on a Specs set

[rustic mountain]

goated

[solid frigate]

you could clearly see the legendaries in Gen 9 DLC and Gen 8 DLC comparison to their power level

Ogerpon and Urshifu are even
Galar Birds>Loyal 3
Calyrex>Terapagos

Idk how to compare regis with paradox mons in dlc

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

mans said all imma click is starstorm anyway

[bold geode]

So funny
Bro said fuck it I'm only running two moves and one of them calls the other

[foggy lodge]

My tera ghost wide guard pelipper:

[solid frigate]

fuck coverage

Imma starstorm

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-terastal-form-terapagos-pokemon-terapagos-tera-starstorm-gif-1415738082307699009

basically that player

[foggy lodge]

It was Oliver Eskolin btw

[bold geode]

Also can I just say now that I'm thinking about finals of events

[rustic mountain]

one of the funniest moments in sv was seeing pagos vs csr on stream and the csr 2-0d the supposed counter to it

[stone trellis]

Is Tera Starstorm with the Tera Stellar boost weaker than a non-Tera Tera Starstorm?

[rustic mountain]

and i was like oh yea this mon is completely awful

[solid frigate]

oh yeah the only time pagos won something is with rock polish and meteor beam

[bold geode]

The last two finals of the last two Worlds were so damn good

[solid frigate]

yes but taken to the fact that its spread vs ST

[foggy lodge]

no,,,

[solid frigate]

even then its barely an increase because it loses stab

[foggy lodge]

Tbf I think CSR isn't really all that of a terrible MU they teched it super well

[rustic mountain]

rip 2023 finals i guess

[foggy lodge]

Mienshao was like the ultimate anti pagos machine

[bold geode]

Id argue not nearly as good

[solid frigate]

Iron Hands:Imma win 2 worlds in a row like Incineroar

Honestly brian hands is peak at that time

[rustic mountain]

i agree but hearing all the chatter of pagos being the counter and seeing that happen was humorous

[bold geode]

Also 2023 Worlds was such a fucking shit show in a lot of aspects anyways
Badly timed format
All the other issues

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah fr lol

Pagos was actually the anti Miraidon machine

[rustic mountain]

we got some good sets in 2023 worlds, finals wouldve been better if michael didnt get flinched

[foggy lodge]

I played pagos and I honestly prefered fighting Miraidon than CSR

[rustic mountain]

i think sv in general has just had some incredible tours/sets the playerbase has gotten so much better

[solid frigate]

i love how MDB keep on dropping in worlds placement its almost a trend

Finals then top 4 then top 8 i think

[foggy lodge]

Wasn't finals at worlds 2023 a 2-0?

The last finals were all 3 games I think it affects a lot

[rustic mountain]

still tho having that ur first 3 seasons is nothing short of goated

specfically in the modern era

[solid frigate]

yeah agreed

Its just funny that is a coicidence

[rustic mountain]

yea

[rustic mountain]

yes

g2 he had a unfortunate flinch that turned the tides pretty heavily he was not guaranteed to win but he was favored if not

[foggy lodge]

Yea

I think my favourite finals was Dyl vs Wolfe

[rustic mountain]

that was a really good one

this is wat i mean theres so many i lowkey forgot about that 1

[foggy lodge]

Also seeing him win such a bad MU

Perish is unusable and the Incin and Amoonguss basically didn't have an item

[rustic mountain]

yea hes genuinely such a fantastic player

idk how u can argue rizzo over him at this point

[foggy lodge]

I understand the argument of Rizzo winning 3 worlds but also the playerbase as a whole has been getting better and better

In Ray Rizzo's era you had worlds of 30-40 players

Now you have worlds of over 300

[bold geode]

If Rizzo is the goat
I wanna see that mfer come back and win a regional rn

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's like saying that Tartarus was harder than Slaughterhouse because it was top 1 for longer.

[rustic mountain]

3 worlds is impressive but i think ray just had it on lock in a time there wasnt an insane amount of competition and as the years went on he either didnt care enough to maintain consistency or just couldnt and used life as an excuse as to why he wasnt as good

[foggy lodge]

He wanted to play a regional in México

But he ate a bad thing and he couldn't attend lol

[rustic mountain]

theres always something tho haha and ive heard its been like that for years

theres a whole meme of ray worlds xx since like 2015

[bold geode]

I mean at that point I bet he probably also just got bored of it

[rustic mountain]

probably

he was running laps

[bold geode]

Yeah
But yeah Wolfe definitely better

[rustic mountain]

i think its crazy to say otherwise at this point

[foggy lodge]

Its also consistency you know Wolfe has been terrorizing competitive every year while Rizzo only on the very early phase of VGC

[bold geode]

Even if he don't win another Worlds, I think 10 regionals and 2 ICs as well as his other accomplishments have to matter at this point

[foggy lodge]

I would argue Wolfe's worst time was Sw/Sh and he still won like the largest event at the moment back then lol

[rustic mountain]

tho like w/o rays influence who knows what vgc wouldve been so def gta also give props there as well

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

swsh was weird tho w/ how the circuit played out for the first 2ish years there wasnt really any rls

[stone trellis]

Hopefully he locks the fuck in this year and wins Worlds.

[rustic mountain]

but yea hes had an incredible resurgence in sv

[bold geode]

If he even goes

[foggy lodge]

Tera has been huge for him

[stone trellis]

It's been exactly a decade since his last win and it's taking place in San Francisco again, it would be so poetic if he won.

[foggy lodge]

I feel like he can pull it off

[stone trellis]

But yeah, hopefully those issues get resolved and he's able to participate.

[rustic mountain]

facts

[foggy lodge]

I think he is coming back to the scene in february?

[bold geode]

Yeah but he also hasn't attended shit since Milwaukee and his first event back is probably EUIC and even if he does qualify he's said it himself he might not even go

[foggy lodge]

Or march

[bold geode]

Also the issues that need resolved imma be real
Probably won't be

People idolize him too much and don't treat him like a fucking human being

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Should be back for EUIC

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I think

Actually do you remember that

Gavin Michael was unbanned for EUIC and he had to like speedrun the invite to worlds and his out was just winning a regional LMAO

[bold geode]

Oh yeah for sure but like

I remember Wolfe saying even if he qualified he might still not go

[foggy lodge]

It wasn't to relate it to Wolfey i just wanted to say that

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
That shit was wild tho

[stone trellis]

What was he banned for?

[foggy lodge]

I don't remember

[bold geode]

Either genning or some behavior sort thing

[foggy lodge]

I think it was genning

[bold geode]

Think he was one of the ones they smacked the hammer on in Yokohama

[solid frigate]

that regional finals is just

Kyogre living at 3

[foggy lodge]

i bought it yesterday i love it

[solid frigate]

Fuecoco

[molten oasis]

Little guy

[bold geode]

On my bed I have this giant ass Fuecoco squishmallow I use as a pillow

[forest arrow]

I have the same Fuecoco and the other 2

[bold geode]

I love Fuecoco
He's in the category of goofy lil dumbass

[waxen flint]

Not 100% if this is the appropriate channel to ask but,

What is the best general counter for a bug team consisting of Cleavor, Scizor, Araquanid, Shuckle, Heracross, and Vikavolt? The team focuses on Stealth rock/Sticky web and stalling with leftovers Shuckle.

What types/strategies should I hard focus?

It's in NatDex OU, so Megas and Tera are both available.

[rustic mountain]

mostly vgc ppl here

and by most i mean every regular ur best bet would prolly be the smogon server

[solid frigate]

the bite squad of first evo

[foggy lodge]

If there's a calm mind bolt mirror and both are tera fairy and both have 100% HP and timer runs out who wins

[stone trellis]

It's a coin flip.

[rustic mountain]

the 1 w/ leftovers

[shell meadow]

How often does it matter if I have 31 attack IV instead of 0 on Landorus?
Is it like 1 in 1000 games or is it more often that that?

[solid frigate]

Something that matters on IVs if you are playing Landorus Incarnate or any Special attackers

-Foul play damage:scales with attack stats of the opposing pokemon so any Special attackers use 0 IV on Attack is more optimal

-Confusion damage:Scales off attack

[shell meadow]

Alright, but this seems like quite specific cases. Should I be worried about bringing a 31 attack IV mon or is it mostly fine if I'm not going for top ranks?

[solid frigate]

Usually wouldn’t bother but it’s benefits for the long run

[shell meadow]

Okay. I'll start out with my 31 attack IV Landorus then and maybe swap to one with lower attack at some point in the future if I can get my hands on one (probably next time it is available in pokemon go).

[shell meadow]

Thanks for the help!

[gentle crag]

jonissolis has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[next stump]

It's definitely less than 1 in 100 games where it matters

But when it matters, it feels really bad

If you're solely playing online ranked or something like that, I wouldn't spend too long hunting for low IV pokemon unless you want to

But if you want to attend any real life tournaments or big online ones, it's probably worth your time

I lost out on a tournament best of 3 with a Farigiraf that had 25ATK IV cause I wanted to use a shiny 🙁

[solid frigate]

That’s also kinda one of the reason why I wish we can lower IVs manually

[shell meadow]

Yeah. I can imagine that feeling really bad.

[next stump]

Gothitelle vs Farigiraf Foul Play 1v1 hahaha

[solid frigate]

I really want to see the amount of Yellow Card for both since “Foul Play”

[rustic mountain]

u after the set:

[left bobcat]

Ong we dip our milk in cookies

[rustic mountain]

🤨

[dense latch]

i might be wrong but i think the actual hp stat is the decider after HP% so whichever bolt has more HP EVs if so? if not then a draw

you can get a draw on cart if both players forfeit on the same turn which is pretty funny

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[dense latch]

HP EV creeps new meta

[foggy lodge]

Max HP Bolt is the optimal Bolt then

Btw how does timer actually work

I know its 20 minutes each game but those 20 minutes are accounting for animations too?

[solid frigate]

I think that accounts for the animations as well

Cuz the final attack after the timer counts I think

[next stump]

Yeah I'm pretty sure there's just a background 20 minute timer ticking the whole battle

counts everything, animations/move selection/etc.

[solid frigate]

Idk timer is a weird thing for me

Sometimes I got into a staller match and somehow I won despite less HP

[rustic mountain]

u mustve had more mons then

or they lost cuz of your time being run out

[bold geode]

Yo real shit

[bold geode]

I played a 76 turn game on SD today and still lost cuz my timer ran out

[foggy lodge]

This month we should get info about champions

[molten oasis]

Should.

[rustic mountain]

[real prairie]

Hi peeps

[leaden fox]

Considering in 25 days we have Pokémon Day, very likely yeah

[solid frigate]

Hey Jack

[real prairie]

What have I missed the last couple months?

[solid frigate]

Honestly just Reg H bullshit and now reg F

[real prairie]

I saw the end of Reg H, Took a break when F was announced and i couldn't attend B'ham or EUIC

[solid frigate]

I can’t as well due to I’m going back to Hong Kong for a month

Well in Mid March

[leaden fox]

This is why you need to be careful when using a Sun setter 😅
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2531226998

[solid frigate]

Moreso like they threw with Trick Room

Torkoal feels like a liability in the mu

[leaden fox]

My Amoongus is 0 speed and minus speed nature; so yeah 😅

But yeah, rain teams run better in Reg F

[rigid bridge]

Around which Elo do strats start working? I’m currently at around 1350-1400 Elo on Showdown and strats like threatening fake out to make the enemy click double protect but then switching out into another fake out user are just not working for me cause my enemies will just double attack or setup.

There are many other strats” I’ve seen videos abt but nearly every single one of them is not working into most opponents cause they won’t do what they should do🫠

So ig the best idea is to not use those strats until I reach a certain Elo?

[leaden fox]

My strats tend to work, it's just prediciting and damage rolls that need to be in your favor 😅

[waxen dock]

really dpends on player

but i would sau a little higher than that

[bold geode]

Depends on the player really
I'd say in your lower ELO that example for example would probably work but sometimes it just doesn't work cuz they just disrespect the pressure
In higher ELOs though that may work but at the same time it also could not because the better play might actually be to attack with both
If you're using double Fake Out, I'd like to guess you're using a more balance oriented team so one thing that matters in any ELO too here with this but will matter more and more as you climb is what we call the board states actually

This question is actually a hard one due to this cuz the board states dictate the game as they show what's going on currently and what can happen and with a team such as balance (if you're using that) you ideally wanna be in boards that are positive for you
And it can matter here cuz like
In lower ELOs you'll have some who disrespect and in higher you might have someone that recognizes that even though there's Fake Out pressure, the better option is to attack with both or protect one and attack with one instead of double protecting
Therefore, honestly there's really no ELO in which the strats work better

Really what matters is being able to recognize and make the best plays, which is something that you only learn by just playing the game

[foggy lodge]

If your "strat" depends on making a read it isn't a strat

[leaden fox]

Thankful I made the right reads overall 😅
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2531417088

[leaden fox]

Honestly love this team of mine 😁
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2531429685

[left bobcat]

HI gh

[rustic mountain]

most of the decisions u make for vgc are risk assessment especially wen making reads, basically asking "if this goes as poorly as possible what do i lose"

hence middleground plays being the most consistent, like oh ill make this switch calling the double but ill also tera the mon im keeping in so its less threatened in case they both atk (if its actually threatened)

[stone trellis]

Hyper aggressive plays work on Bo1 CTS when you're facing the same person again.

There was this guy who was using a Nasty Plot CSR.

I won by calling it out and Tera Fire Ivy Cudgeling it to death before it could do anything.

[leaden fox]

I try to make the right calls and plays, all depends on what my opponent has in play and in the back

After all, we know how much a menace Urshifu can be if you want to play a Protect play 😅

[bold geode]

This

Also dw if you don't get it honestly for a WHILE cuz that shit is like low-key difficult

Ain't it a bitch when your opponent got options

[leaden fox]

Yeah, unfortunately a lot of people tend to default to certain plays without thinking "what if my opponent doesn't play it safe?" and such 😅

https://pokepast.es/cba567136867fc18
Rate my team atm?

[forest arrow]

Looks good, you’re wasting 4 evs on Amoongus and Incin if you didn’t know

Also on bolt 188/140 lives Icicle Crash from Adamant Pao, you could move a few EVs off of speed into Def for that it’s only 8

[leaden fox]

ok, took away enough to give 188 def, leaving 28 speed for now

[forest arrow]

188 Hp/ 140 Def

You should be 76 spe after that

[leaden fox]

ah ok, misread what you meant xD

[forest arrow]

No it’s my fault I didn’t put HP/Def to clarify

[leaden fox]

all good

moved 8 evs on Incin from HP to Def btw

Tried to see where to put 4 ivs from Amoongus; no stats that benefit it so easily 😅

[forest arrow]

Well usually if you put 4 evs in SpA you usually put 4 in spe to outspeed opposing Amoongus, or go full bulk with only 3 stats getting evs

[leaden fox]

Would normally do that, though my Amoongus is 0ivs speed and minus speed nature

[next stump]

can you do HP/DEF/SpD?

[primal saddle]

do we know anything about the first champions format?

[stone trellis]

It will have Megas allowed.

[primal saddle]

its just speculation that it will be legends ZA + DLC roster?

i spent the last few days trying to make a mega mawile team based on the upcoming mega format

[next stump]

We don’t really know anything about the pokedex of the game

Or even if megas are allowed right away versus later, because they showed off other game mechanics too

You can make a team concept for fun but very likely will need heavy changes once we know more on pokemon day (or EUIC closing ceremony)

[primal saddle]

ah ok

[forest arrow]

https://x.com/gaminggen/status/2018389024206176357?s=46&t=gEcvvuDLBwqjwOC0yfoRYg

Gaming Gen @ Frosty Faustings (@GamingGen)

Hey Trainers! Set your alarms, The Orlando Regional Championships registration will be going live Wednesday 2/4 at 7PM EST.

Links will be provided soon!

Event Info:
https://t.co/2w0PyyRVqO

#PlayPokemon

X · Feb 2, 2026, 6:20 PM

[stone trellis]

So if people start registering on February 4th, when's the regional taking place?

[next stump]

first weekend of april

[stone trellis]

Ah.

[foggy lodge]

This should in theory be the first champions format

[leaden fox]

In theory yeah, especially if everything stays lined up

I'll be glad when the first Champions format comes out 😁

[upper zealot]

im praying for it to be champs

[leaden fox]

Hopefully will find out once 27th Feb happens

[rustic mountain]

the learning curve for vgc is steep

[shadow wind]

So steep that I might’ve gone back to the bottom of the hill

[leaden fox]

Steep yes, impossible no 😅
Just requires to learn more from defeat than victory, so you can understand it better and what the average spreads, move sets, etc each mon uses

[leaden fox]

Honestly feel like my team could do well in the next GC and/or Regional/IC 😅
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2532124974-90idvirmvni6j5bmb437smorf45wre8pw

[waxen dock]

If you want to do good in the gc get to 1700

With this team

[leaden fox]

That is the potential aim 😅

Stuck in 1400 - 1500 atm

[solid frigate]

1700 is too much

1600 is usually mid high ladder which is a good place to stop

[leaden fox]

Obviously I am still between 1400 - 1500 overall; still better than half the teams I've made xD

And they are surviving many attacks from certain mons; so it's all good

[solid frigate]

You have to at least Balance the Offense with right amount of defenses

Basically don’t be a passive bitch

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I still have the offense luckily 😅

Though I know I still need to deal with the whole "psychic terrain" problem atm xD

[solid frigate]

Can I see the team

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/5ed82f8375b3987b

[stone trellis]

Incineroar:

[leaden fox]

Incin has come in clutch a good few times, not overall, but has done 😅

[warm estuary]

Guys does the version of tatsugiri changes something when inside or of dondozo? Or is it just something that doesn’t matter

[stone trellis]

Curly boosts Dozo's Attack, one boosts its Defense and the other boosts its Speed by 1 stage each every time Order Up is used.

[foggy lodge]

Orange = attack
Pink = defense
Yellow = speed

[warm estuary]

Oh good to know thanks

[solid frigate]

I would replace U-turn with Parting shot if you are using goggles

[leaden fox]

Yeah, been figuring out what would be better, tested the matches to be sure 😅

So yeah, need to drop in Parting Shot for sure 😅

If I was Assault, would keep it, but that is on Bolt

[stone trellis]

Parting Shot counters Indeedee-Hatterene in a way, I think.

If they do not call it and Follow Me, you can Uno reverse card the shit out of Hatterene by forcing it to switch out.

[solid frigate]

Parting shot is affected by magic bounce

Though Incin usually can deal with this even without Parting shot

And you have Tera Fairy AV Bolt which should tank most of the stuff it has

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I'm ironically aware of the Magic Bounce counter play with Parting Shot 😅
But yeah, been basically looking over my team as often as possible, see what needs changing

Bad enough I am considering Clear Smog on Amoongus to counter Dondozo teams xD

[solid frigate]

its fine,like it works

also good against calm mind bolt

[leaden fox]

Yep, pretty much

Thankfully made sure to be bulky enough on Amoongus to take a lot of physical and special hits

It does survive Dozo once empowered with Tatsu

Though I am aware that many of them end up being Grass Tera, so I thought if I get Clear Smog, deals with that issue without needing to sleep xP

[next stump]

I wonder how many outside players will be there

[foggy lodge]

Whoever needs to steal an invite

[rustic mountain]

i never said impossible

😉

nd tbh even in victory theres prolly things better to be done

in most cases atleast

[waxen dock]

Nooooooooooooooooo

Wtf they were thinking?

[waxen dock]

I hope 15-the amount of south african players

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

This weekend we have Santiago and Sydney regionals

But they won't stream them

Atleast not TPCi

[waxen dock]

I really hope its mixed age divisions

[waxen dock]

another 9 player regional

[next stump]

Orlando signups in a couple hours for anyone planning on attending

Could maybe be the first champions event 🙏

[forest arrow]

Here’s to hoping

[leaden fox]

I'm certainly hoping for that; we'll know the release date later this month at least 🙂

[next stump]

They’ve also changed the refund policy this season so you get most/all of your money back if you want to give up your regional spot