#competitive_discussion

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stone trellis
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And if they are going to be support, they have to be ultra annoying or set up hazards.

warm estuary
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Right

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I remember that gliscor was super annoyng

leaden fox
stone trellis
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You can bring other Pokemon that deal with Urshifu really well.

warm estuary
leaden fox
warm estuary
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Welp i play vgc now so no more toxic heal

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leaden fox
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leaden fox
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xD

warm estuary
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I feel like the single strike one was under used over the multi strike one

leaden fox
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Yeah I know you would need the DLC; but it is possible to get it cheaper than you think

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I remember getting the DLC (legitamitely) for £22 instead of £30

warm estuary
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Yeah i mean i would have wanted the dlc but this is the last year of competitive on scarlet and violet so getting the dlc just for ogerpon seemed too much

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If I really need him i’ll try to trade for him

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Rn now I’m building in game a team were i luckily have all the Pokémon

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I said i was gonna run urshifu by i don’t know what urshifu i should run

stone trellis
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You're doing VGC, correct?

warm estuary
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Yes

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It’s for the in game ladder so double restricted

stone trellis
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What restricteds are you running?

warm estuary
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I’m running ice calyrex and miraidon

stone trellis
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Rapid Strike.

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gentle cragBOT
stone trellis
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Aight, so problem #1: You don't have Protect on anything.

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You NEED Protect on at least some Pokemon in VGC.

warm estuary
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Oh wait you are right

stone trellis
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Also, Ice Rider is a bulky mon that can have its atttacks become stronger anyway.

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Replace Life Orb with Clear Amulet and Zen Headbutt with Protect.

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Hands loves using Fake Out, Drain Punch, Wild Charge and Heavy Slam/Low Kick.

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stone trellis
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Also, 252 Attack Ice Rider is a waste.

warm estuary
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I was doing in showdown so some of that moves i just didn’t see them

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stone trellis
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You can go 244 HP / 180 SpD to live Choice Specs Miraidon Electro Drift/Draco Meteor and also Tera Ghost CSR Astral Barrage without the need to Tera your Ice Rider.

stone trellis
# warm estuary Why

Because Ice Rider is a bulky Pokemon that can increase its Attack pretty easily.

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So focusing on letting it stay until it gets that Attack boost is key.

warm estuary
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Right

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Do I still use adamant nature?

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Oh and urshifu runs surging strikes,close combat, detect and what else

stone trellis
warm estuary
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Yes I want to go first in trick room

warm estuary
stone trellis
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So go 0 Speed IVs Brave.

leaden fox
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So just entered a match in the GC, opponent quits instantly as soon as they see my lead O_o

warm estuary
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Lol

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stone trellis
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Focus Sash, max Attack, max Speed Adamant.

warm estuary
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This looks good now

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Thanks Paul

warm estuary
leaden fox
warm estuary
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Oh I know what it is i just didn’t know the abbreviation😅

warm estuary
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In the tournament

leaden fox
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12-7 atm

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still have a lot of battles to do too

warm estuary
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More win than losses so that’s good

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Cool

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What team are you using

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Just as a curiosity

leaden fox
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13-7 now

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25 matches to go

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leaden fox
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Yeah, 45 matches over the space of 3 days; 15 per day

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but they carry over each day if you haven't used them all up

warm estuary
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Is the grand challenge that important

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Like does it give you points to go to worlds

leaden fox
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Has a chance to get Championship Points (CP)

warm estuary
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Bc it sounds like a big tournament

warm estuary
stone trellis
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Why is Incineroar so fast?

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Why is it Adamant?

warm estuary
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Uhm

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Bc

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I dunno😭

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What stats do I need on incineroar

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I think i just copied him from my other team

stone trellis
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It also lives +6 CSR Astral Barrage on 9 out of 16 rolls.

warm estuary
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Oh ok

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Any other changes you suggest?

stone trellis
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Make Hands 0 Speed IVs Brave too.

warm estuary
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Okie dokie

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I’m ready to use the team

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I’ll try it on show down

rustic mountain
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new year, no champions

leaden fox
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At least yet

warm estuary
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Next Nintendo direct i think we’ll here something abt it

leaden fox
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Likely Pokémon Day on 27th Feb

warm estuary
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Oh right Pokémon day

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@leaden fox how did the GC go

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If you finished playing your games

leaden fox
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Was going well, now not so much xD

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17-15 😅

warm estuary
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Oops

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It’s important to try their best 👍

leaden fox
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obviously xP

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made a few too many misplays on my part xD

warm estuary
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Hahaha it happens

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Have you fought any veluza by any chance?

leaden fox
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nope xD

warm estuary
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Idk i just love veluza

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leaden fox
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this is the last day

warm estuary
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And you positioned?

leaden fox
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not done all the games yet

warm estuary
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Oh right sorry

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Well I hope you win the rest

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Of Your games

waxen dock
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Finished 28-12

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At least i won last game

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I was just so tilted

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I lost almost 100 elo at some points

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And i lost about 44 elo today from day 2

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Shouldnt have laddered

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But i hope it will be fine

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At somr points i was 1696 and i though i could win the battle and then stop

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But i lost due to heat wave miss

warm estuary
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Not heat wave missing💔

trim gyro
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Can you use scale shot in singles or just got with outrage

warm estuary
trim gyro
leaden fox
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Just have to watch out for those Fairy types; Outrage and Scale Shot will fail xP

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And Outrage doesn't exactly let you pick the target 😅

trim gyro
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?

waxen dock
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1657 isnt that bad

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Its mid

trim gyro
warm estuary
# trim gyro Dragonite

If you use out rage they can just switch into a fairy type while if you use scaleshot you would also need the loaded dice to hit a lot

leaden fox
trim gyro
waxen dock
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@leaden fox how was your gc?

leaden fox
warm estuary
leaden fox
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But I am in Masters

trim gyro
warm estuary
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I would go for scale shot loaded dice honestly

trim gyro
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Alr

trim gyro
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Is gholdengo good in singles?

next stump
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yes

warm estuary
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So what put do i put on incineroar over knock off

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It’s locked behind dlc and I don’t have it

foggy lodge
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Will o wisp

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Taunt

leaden fox
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will-o-wisp is your best option, helps deal with physical attackers

dense latch
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blitz taunt/willo parting fake out is a decent set

foggy lodge
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You could even do snarl

rustic mountain
trim gyro
warm estuary
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leaden fox
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leaden fox
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Unless they have Guts

warm estuary
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I never knew that😭

leaden fox
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Well you do now xP

warm estuary
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Yes I do

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There’s always something new to learn

leaden fox
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At times; I wish "Frostbite" replaced "Freeze/Frozen" status 😅

next stump
leaden fox
rustic mountain
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dillon how dare you be nitpicky for the sake of clarity on understanding a very core aspect of comp (how damage is factored in/dealt)

next stump
warm estuary
solid frigate
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Yeah it does and it’s quite annoying

bold geode
stone trellis
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Or I could make an Incineroar with Knock Off for you.

warm estuary
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stone trellis
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People in Mesagoza call me "the plug" because I can hook you up with anything you need for a team.

warm estuary
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Ahahaha

stone trellis
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Your Incineroar's going to be bench pressing a tractor with one arm.

warm estuary
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I’m sorry I have some things to do I can trade the tm in like 2/3 days

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Is that ok with you??

stone trellis
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Bet.

warm estuary
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Ok thank you very much

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I’ll tell you when i can in a few days

waxen dock
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I got 55th in the gc which isnt great but isnt bad either

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The gc usage stats were kinda diffrent from the previous one,but it makes sense cuz it was 2 years ago

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But also the 2 years ago usage was much better for me

waxen dock
stone trellis
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mighty stump
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Nerds

stone trellis
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?

waxen dock
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Probably 75 but cant know for sure

bold geode
# mighty stump Nerds

Yeah bro look at these nerds worrying about championship points, what a bunch of losers KEKW

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(I totally didn't choke this GC)

real prairie
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I have awoken and realised I completely missed GC4

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Whoopsie

waxen dock
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I dream of appearing in stream in one of the senior finals

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Probably wont happend tho

timber falcon
molten oasis
upper zealot
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i sold my gc lol

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i was at 1660 with like 20 games left then went on a crazy tilt

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and ended up finishing at 1679 20 games later

bold geode
leaden fox
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I know I completely crashed out in the GC, calling Sundays during GC "Cursed Sundays" xD

warm estuary
leaden fox
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from 10-5

warm estuary
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That’s not

warm estuary
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Look at the good side

leaden fox
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I know, but compared to my first GC this 2026 season, it's bad xD

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First GC this season was 31-14

warm estuary
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How many GC are in a season

leaden fox
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Usually 5 per season, not seen a sixth one as far as I remember

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Yeah, just checked; five on a normal amount

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Though I imagine the last one will be in March before Champions drops

warm estuary
gentle cragBOT
warm estuary
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Does champions have a realese date

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Confirmed

waxen dock
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i dont think so

waxen dock
warm estuary
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Oh ok

waxen dock
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but there were already 4 grand challenges and there will be another on may

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so idk about the global challenges

trim gyro
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Is tsareena usable in 3v3 singles ? The typing fits in my team very well

warm estuary
leaden fox
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Since the double restricted format in-game ranked and RegF format irl ends on 31st March

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So if that happens; Orlando, Florida will be the first irl event to be Champions format

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(Champions format as in game, as we don't know the first ruleset of it yet)

warm estuary
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I can’t wait for champions

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Luckily it’s free

leaden fox
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Free yes; though I suspect most mons we'll want will be transfer from HOME xP

stone trellis
leaden fox
stone trellis
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Wonder what Pokemon will be allowed during Champions' first ruleset.

waxen dock
leaden fox
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@stone trellis If I had to take a swing at it; gonna say this: Megas & Teras allowed, no sub-legends, restricted and mythicals; you can only use 1 Mega or Tera per battle

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But who knows yet

stone trellis
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Do you think Mega Salamence will be viable in a format where Chien-Pao's potentially legal?

leaden fox
gentle cragBOT
foggy lodge
leaden fox
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Can see Flutter Mane pairing up well with Mega Charizard Y xP

trim gyro
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What is the best grass type pokemon for 3v3 singles ?

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Non legendary

solid frigate
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Uhhh Rilla ig

leaden fox
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Technically Ogerpon is a "legend"

trim gyro
solid frigate
leaden fox
solid frigate
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Also my brain needs rest from exam so yeah

leaden fox
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Oh yeah, I can imagine

trim gyro
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Do I use drum beating or wood hammer in singles on rillaboom?

leaden fox
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Likely Wood Hammer

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yes it does recoil, but grassy terain ability helps

trim gyro
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I'm trying to breed a shiny hisuian Arcanine for competitive. Does the masuda method work if I use my hisuian Arcanine with an everstone and a normal Arcanine from a gift code that's English?

leaden fox
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But I haven't bred the Hisuian Growlithe/Arcanine on ScarVio; so cannot atest to that

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stone trellis
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Pretty sure they confirmed Megas will be allowed.

warm estuary
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Oh

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Then i just hope no teras bc we had teras for the last what? 4 years i don’t remember when scarlet and violet realesed

next stump
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first tournaments were early 2023 for SV

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so it’s been about 3 years

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it’s definitely outlived the normal VGC cycle

warm estuary
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Oh 3 years right

leaden fox
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Easy to understand why Gen10 was delayed an extra year; because 2026 is the 30th anniversary

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Just a shame it's not bringing us Champions quicker 😅

warm estuary
leaden fox
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Not too much really; likely will know 27th Feb

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But I supposed the extra year will polish it some

next stump
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The main hope I have is that teambuilding is drastically changed

leaden fox
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It likely will be; but hoping they fix the whole "66 points for EVs" situation; would rather it stick with 508 EVs when dealing with it 😅

warm estuary
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And also what pokemon will be available at launch on pokemon champions

foggy lodge
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No one knows

warm estuary
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I already know like dodonzo charizard gardevoir

foggy lodge
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We only know champions will be a megas format on release

warm estuary
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Oh alr

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Wait if there’s megas

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It means perish song mega gengar

tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
leaden fox
warm estuary
leaden fox
warm estuary
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There’s no evolutions?

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Like base forms?

leaden fox
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Unlikely in champions

warm estuary
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Oh cool

leaden fox
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Though I suspect 100 will be the number they go with too; 150 is a lot more than you think xD

warm estuary
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Probably 150 sounds like a bit

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I hope there’s veluza👀

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Joking

leaden fox
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Obviously while we know we can permanently rent Pokémon for 1k VP (no clue how much you get from battling, etc); I know we won't be able to transfer them out of Champions

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No way they'd make it that easy xD

warm estuary
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I mean

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I only play pokemon rn just for competitive so that’s ok with me xD

waxen dock
leaden fox
rustic mountain
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150 is extremely low, even regional dexes typically have been like 300-400ish mons

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u gta give the ppl some variety, i doubt wed get such a low number

molten oasis
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That would not be a fun format

leaden fox
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Yeah, would be low, but it would make people use Pokemon HOME to get other mons in that are viable

leaden fox
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I only say 150, since that'd be 150 fully evolved mons; so even if most were two or three stage mons, it would still sorta accumulate to 300+ mons in a sense

waxen dock
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i wonder when the leaderboard will update

leaden fox
waxen dock
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the cp leaderboard

leaden fox
leaden fox
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So they just officially shown off all the official art of the new Megas; now we just need to know their abilities 😂

warm estuary
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Abilities are more important than art

left bobcat
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Fr

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We need more intimidate

leaden fox
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And Lando-T

leaden fox
left bobcat
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Imagine giving a mega sheer force

leaden fox
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Mega Camerupt?

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I know that one gets Sheer Force as a Mega

bold geode
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It's Camerupt

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Which ain't really all that now

leaden fox
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There is a lot of new ones, so who knows

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Can imagine Mega Fera getting it

warm estuary
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How will mega tatsugiri work in doubles with dondozo

leaden fox
warm estuary
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Mega dondozo👀

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Joking

leaden fox
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I have at least 20 Megas (10 old and 10 new) I'd like to use in Champions for competitive xD

foggy lodge
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They need to balance megas too well

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The problem with the old megas formats were that only like 5 were actually super important, at most 10

rustic mountain
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most new megas seem like ass

leaden fox
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Likely some have been given a little more balance due to their new movepools (e.g. expanding force on Gardevoir) and their abilities with some changes (e.g. Scrappy now blocks Intimidate, which Mega Lopunny gets)

bold geode
rustic mountain
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same for kang which is a way bigger deal (for scrappy)

leaden fox
bold geode
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Like at that point just use base with a Life Orb

rustic mountain
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but weve seen stats and typing

bold geode
rustic mountain
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good ability isnt gna move the needle too much on most of those

rustic mountain
leaden fox
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Mega Absol Z and Mega Lucario Z are gonna be good glass cannons xP

rustic mountain
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mega absol z is gna b such a fraud

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no sash and its gna die to like any 1 strong hit

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mega lucario z w/ sturdy could b something

leaden fox
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In singles yes, though in doubles, you can help benefit it

rustic mountain
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well im never referring to singles really i just dont see it thriving in vgc if anything 2v2 makes it worse for it

leaden fox
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One Mega that may struggle unless it gets a "really good ability that benefits it", is Heatran

rustic mountain
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? mega heatran seems good

leaden fox
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If Mega Heatran gets "Earth Eater", then it'll be great

rustic mountain
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if anything thats 1 of the few new good megas

leaden fox
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I say it's an issue for Mega Heatran because of all the Ground type mons we see 😅

rustic mountain
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i mean i guess idt its an absolute deterrent for heatran tho. plenty of formats prior w/ heatrans playing w/o shuca

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4x weaknesses suck but u can play around it

leaden fox
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Yeah, I just feel that Grass Tera Heatran really benefits it more atm 😅

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But hey, I can be wrong

rustic mountain
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well we arent gna have the luxury of tera

leaden fox
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I suspect Mega Delphox will be a menace too

warm estuary
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@stone trellis

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Can you trade me the knock off tm now??

leaden fox
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Back in my day, I remember when all TMs were permanent 🤣 (Gen5 specifically)

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Any 3 of the new Megas anyone is excited to use in competitive via Champions?
Mine being Mega Absol Z, Mega Lucario Z and Mega Baxcalibur xP

foggy lodge
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Eh probably Mega Starmie

warm estuary
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stone trellis
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Sorry.

warm estuary
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Nah it’s alr

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I feel like mega clefable is gonna be very good

solid frigate
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Depends if you want to use a mega slot on a originally supportive Pokémon

warm estuary
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Oh right mega slot

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Maybe it will not be that good

dense latch
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unless it gets a really good ability i don’t see it being that much better than togekiss

solid frigate
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In fact Togekiss is arguably more annoying

leaden fox
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Wait until Champions does the Dynamax mechanic again 🤣

solid frigate
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Bro can single handlely just twave +Flinch you

dense latch
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serene grace air slash is no joke

warm estuary
leaden fox
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Mega Clefable gets Serene Grace, you watch 😂

warm estuary
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I think that champions is gonna have every single mechanics and they switch from format to format

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So like one with z-moves then megas etc.

leaden fox
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I'm happy with all the gimmicks, except z-moves xD

dense latch
warm estuary
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I love z-moves just for the anime

dense latch
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which also can’t hold an item

warm estuary
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What will the gen 10 gimmick be like

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I know we have no information abt it

leaden fox
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Gen10 unlikely to get a gimmick, probably will just add new mons mostly, including regional and new evos

dense latch
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im pretty sure it got leaked

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so if you really wanna know it’s out there somewhere

warm estuary
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I don’t think they’ll go without gimmick

solid frigate
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It would be fine without a gimmick

Hell this is why the most popular games are from Gen 1-5

dense latch
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i’d be down for a non gimmick format

leaden fox
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Plus since Champions will let us use four different gimmicks (not at the same time), I can imagine it going better

warm estuary
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Yeah it could

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I also saw a leak (i dunno if it’s real) that mega stones were coded in gen 10 games i am not sure tho

leaden fox
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Likely we'll get a few more Megas in Gen10; hard to say yet

warm estuary
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I mean megas is kinda the best gimmick

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Plus there’s no lore reason i think to where it’s stuck in a ceirtain region

spiral zealot
warm estuary
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Oh cool

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I was right

spiral zealot
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i do agree with you that megas are the coolest because new forms and designs are always dope
but i think i personally like terastalization the most because of how many different diverse ways you can use it

warm estuary
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Terastalization is cool bc it completely changes the battle by changing the type

next stump
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it’s a bummer we never got a SV format without tera

dense latch
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fr

leaden fox
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Honestly, I like Megas, Teras and Dynamax mainly; Z-Stones no thank you xD

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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spikemuth cup was cool but that was fanmade

rain grotto
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Does someone have a pp max

rain grotto
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Also a trick room tm for my lunala

dense latch
rustic mountain
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real ones remember

wild knot
warm estuary
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😔

leaden fox
warm estuary
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Everything has a balance

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But z-moves decided to be different

leaden fox
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Z-Moves now have a bigger advantage as of Gen8 onwards; because of the "active speed modifier"; since before the speed checks via tailwind and trick room didn't apply to the field until the next turn, whereas now, they apply straight away

warm estuary
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Oh

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So they are better

leaden fox
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considering their overall strength, they can make your bulky mon become one-shot; I know it is a "one time move", but it basically ruins strategy 😅

warm estuary
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And they are probably gonna come back…

leaden fox
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I see people using Z-Hypnosis again 😅

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100% accurate Hypnosis and gets +1 speed

warm estuary
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I din’t even now that existed

waxen dock
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i waited so much today

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just for the leaderboard not updating

leaden fox
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@waxen dock Yeah, sometimes it is quick, sometimes it isn't 🙁

waxen dock
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and the first gc it took like 10 days

leaden fox
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Yeah, I don't tend to get it either >_<

left bobcat
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Yeah

foggy lodge
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The 2026 season was marketed as the mega evolutions season for VGC, TCG and even Unite and we are mid way through the season and VGC still doesn't have megas

dense latch
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we'll get it one week before worlds let the players work it out themselves

warm estuary
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The Pokémon champions gimmick ring looks very cool

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I like it’s design

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@leaden fox the z-move simbol in front just to make you angry

leaden fox
stone trellis
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That ring's structure annoys me.

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There are a grand total of four gimmicks, why aren't they evenly spread out on the ring?

leaden fox
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No clue xD

warm estuary
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More gimmicks in the future spoiler👀

leaden fox
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All I know is it's called the Omni Ring; despite only being four gimmicks xD

warm estuary
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It’s gonna have more

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Gimmicks i hope

leaden fox
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hard to say yet

verbal zinc
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thinkies_smooth_rotating is the masterball animation the shortest? if so, is it best to have comp pokemon in masterballs?

foggy lodge
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It doesn't matter

rustic mountain
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i think all pokeball animations are the same release speed its just a matter of what the specific animation w/ the corresponding pokeball is

rustic mountain
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titles a bit misleading as its pure speculation tho it does raise some interesting points on what exactly is a realistic timetable for release

molten oasis
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2035

shadow wind
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I can’t wait that long for primal Groudon !

waxen dock
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It'll release this month or next month ore maybe even in march

solemn flicker
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That thing is gonna get delayed for sure. Im thinking they drop an emergency dlc for za or what not and then for sv prob a new reg just to keep us at bay.

knotty mirage
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Will they even add second DLC for ZA

spiral zealot
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it seems pretty corny to be like "why is there no info about this wtf!" when they're literally doing the 30th anniversary stream in 6 weeks

leaden fox
next stump
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Does Reg F end at the end of March?

leaden fox
next stump
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Thank you, yeah everything points towards the game being ready to play by April

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If it’s not…. yikes

spiral zealot
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can i ask what the purpose is of getting pokemon with 0 attack IVs

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i know about the porygon download ability interaction but is there anything besides that

next stump
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Foul Play is the big one

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Confusion secondary effect also deals damage based on your attack stat

spiral zealot
gentle cragBOT
spiral zealot
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ive just been looking at a bunch of teamsheets thinking like "damn i didnt realize porygon2 was THIS big of a threat"

next stump
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you’re welcome 🙂

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to be honest - the foul play interaction really only matters in maybe one out of every 100 games (probably even rarer), so if you’re ever training up a team it’s not a huge deal at all

spiral zealot
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that's nice to hear especially given how tedious hunting for it seems to be

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im still kicking myself over not getting 0 speed bloodmoon

leaden fox
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After all, they won't release it too late; since the first regional in April is 3rd or 4th

next stump
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But this is the company that had Worlds be the first tournament of a new format, so they could do another 2-3 month format and have Champions release over summer

leaden fox
waxen dock
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i think it will be all 5 months

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it is pretty low chance that theyll do special format for worlds

leaden fox
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Considering Worlds isn't until mid/end of August; I doubt we'll have Champions not given to us and play through until then; more of a chance of us getting the Mega format with allowing us to use Restricted mons until the end of August (which is four months if it starts in April, which is the same length as current format)

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As well as the format before

waxen dock
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well i plan to go to worlds so ill need a lot of prep so i hope champions will come out soon

stuck vault
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Anyone up for battle?

leaden fox
leaden fox
rustic mountain
leaden fox
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Likely with a set release date too; along with ZA HOME compatibility

bold geode
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Though deadass I will admit and imma be blunt with this

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I feel like a few people who don't even go to events also are a bit too eager to see this shit cuz they're addicted and can't stop playing Pokemon yet are too tired of SV

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Also @rustic mountain I figured out the true way
I didn't need to stop caring
I had to let go of expectations

wild knot
rustic mountain
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also

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i think expectations are fine to have just dont have ur entire identity linked to the result

rustic mountain
gentle cragBOT
rustic mountain
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like they clearly got ahead of themselves announcing a half baked game that needed more time to develop then they anticipated nd we are experiencing the ramifications of that, only during that duration weve gotten radio silence instead of any kind of idea when to expect its release

chrome knot
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on the waysies to toronto

rustic mountain
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gl

chrome knot
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ty

rustic mountain
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🫡

dense latch
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aside from the announcement one year ago we've only gotten one extra piece of news right?

rustic mountain
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did we?

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felt like nothing

dense latch
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a bit of a nothingburger announcement but it was just a bit more footage of how renting pokemon works or whatever

rustic mountain
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right yea i jus disregard it cuz it just didnt really give us much honestly introduced more speculation

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it provided 0 clarity

dense latch
rustic mountain
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we dont even know if ivs will exist its just ppl assuming they r doin away w/ them

dense latch
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idk if game freak just doesn't care about how much champions means to vgc or the game is just not as developed as it should

rustic mountain
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id assume the latter but who knows

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seems timing wise they had it right and its a good game to introduce for vgc but the fact theyve done everything wrong since is the problem

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it just screams we dont know wen better to keep the window open

chrome knot
gentle cragBOT
bold geode
chrome knot
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ty

leaden fox
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They are probably making sure that Champions works Day One as well, because if it doesn’t, that’ll affect VGC a lot more

waxen dock
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what should i do if i want a chance to do top 16 at worlds?

leaden fox
waxen dock
leaden fox
# waxen dock 1st one was 99% done

Ah ok 🙂 Well we need to know what format we will get in Worlds, otherwise it'll be hard to figure out what to run; but the best idea is to practice your team with people who won't divulge the info 😅

leaden fox
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@waxen dock If you need any practice partners; I am willing to help

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At least until the next GC is announced 😂

foggy lodge
#

https://fixupx.com/MichaelderBeste/status/2012204422328185154?s=20

MichaelderBeste (@MichaelderBeste)

Toronto VGC Quiz 🇨🇦
︀︀
︀︀Amount of full paras / rock slide flinches on stream?
︀︀Landorus-I Day 1 Usage?
︀︀Landorus-T Day 2 Usage?
︀︀Most used item on Tornadus in Day 2?
︀︀Most used Pokémon in Top Cut that was not legal in Regulation H?
︀︀How many 95% acc moves miss on stream?
︀︀Raging Bolt wins the regional? (yes/no)
︀︀European wins the regional? (yes/no)

**💬 5 ❤️ 33 👁️ 2.2K **

FixupX ·
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7
35%
4%
Cloak
Flutter Mane
3
Yes
Yes

bold geode
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If Bolt Balance wins, I think it's because someone really just played at their absolute A game

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My guess is it loses Toronto and then wins Birmingham cuz 90% of the fuckin EU population breathes nothing but balance

leaden fox
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We'll know for sure soon enough

chrome knot
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3-0 in sisterhood side event got 26 packs >:3

bold geode
rustic mountain
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ho typically does well anyway for beginning formats and sometimes for returning

bold geode
#

Also I think BM Farigiraf might be a bit under explored?

foggy lodge
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Idk

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Not even Høj Nielsen brothers played BM

dense latch
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poor bm

rustic mountain
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farigiraf is getting play on tailroom teams mostly

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bm is loosely around but it doesnt seem too common

bold geode
rustic mountain
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lookin back it did well enough first go around for reg f

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won dortmund consistently in top cut atleast once

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almost won orlando (wolfey beating donelly)

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im sure itll see some resurgence especially after its dominance in reg h 2

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also wtf on it being 2 years since reg f was last around

dense latch
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almost two months since the last major, hopefully this brings some new life to the format

rustic mountain
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idk

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im pretty bored on sv, especially since tours and cart arent the same

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really strange disconnect

dense latch
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the cart thing is so annoying

rustic mountain
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like oh cool this team is so awesome lemme fire it up on cart, oh wait

dense latch
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it kinda limits content creation and definitely limits interest in the current formats

rustic mountain
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yea

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even interest its like oh u wanna practice for these upcoming tours since u saw the last tours matches and got hyped? well gl cuz u cant

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u can only practice thru a fanmade/grassroots site that we wont tellu the name of

dense latch
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not to mention it’s unnecessarily confusing for newcomers

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they’re killing interest in sv without us knowing shit about champions yet

rustic mountain
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id say champions would help solve this but who knows, im keeping my expectations low

rustic mountain
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im not even saying necessarily like oh it shouldve been released already but give us some real fucking info on the game

dense latch
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im already dealing with an organization’s incompetence as a heat fan i cant anymore omao

rustic mountain
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its been a year

dense latch
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why announce it so early with so many uncertainties regarding its release

rustic mountain
#

great question erik

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and like with doing that and fucking up timing w/ development and release atleast just give us some more info on what the game is going to have outside a trailer w/ very little confirming details

dense latch
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this the longest i’ve been away from vgc since coming back in july 2024 i’ve never felt less interested on this game

rustic mountain
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u dont need to close urself off with a window of release just give us a sneak peek or w/e of some gameplay

shadow wind
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Guys you don’t realize that they actually just hate us

rustic mountain
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and detailed explanations on what its offering

dense latch
shadow wind
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Champions is the new one piece

dense latch
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tell us SOMETHING about how champions works

how do you get pokemon, train them? how are the gimmicks going to be integrated

shadow wind
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No more ivs 🔥🔥🔥

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
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like anything of importance w/ confirmation

dense latch
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it’s been all speculation for so long

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Is it really not?

rustic mountain
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genuinely just speculated off screenshots of what we were shown

shadow wind
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Wilding

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I don’t think I’ve booted up a vgc game in like 3 months

rustic mountain
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its not an unreasonable assumption

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but they didnt outright say hey ivs are done

shadow wind
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1v1 factory has been pretty fun

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Thank you showdown for always providing

dense latch
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at least vgc being trash rn frees up time for productivity and other games

rustic mountain
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lzas been fun until recently now it feels kinda like a chore

dense latch
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i havent touched that game in a bit

shadow wind
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I’m trapped playing hades 2 still but I’m so close to never touching it again

dense latch
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i realize i really dont enjoy the whole mega dimension grind

rustic mountain
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got 4/5 legends shiny so far PCdripsola

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just need latias

dense latch
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all that was pushing me was seeing the new megas

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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I was quite literally a frame away from being the second person in the world to do a max difficulty clear in hades 2 on one of the paths but I got robbed

rustic mountain
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damn

dense latch
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i hate time limits too

rustic mountain
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yea

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whoever thought of that sucks

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i guess they figured ppl would just farm shinies a bunch but surely theres a better way to go about it

shadow wind
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How was plza as a whole?

dense latch
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i would have never minded waiting some more time for the mega dimension to be an actual area to explore

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base game was awesome

shadow wind
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I never bought it but from what I’ve heard it’s fun but not worth the price

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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So did I miss much in it?

dense latch
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it was a nice experience for me but i did rush it because i had finals at the time

rustic mountain
#

ngl theyve been really shit on dlcs

bold geode
rustic mountain
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sv base- very solid
teal mask- ok
crown tundra- bad

dense latch
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i have a bit of a soft spot for the sv DLCs since they got me back into the game

bold geode
rustic mountain
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swsh base- solid
ioa-bad
tundra-solid

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yea lmao

bold geode
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I think Indigo Disk was alright

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It was nice to have a section of the DLC dedicated to double battles

rustic mountain
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nah them shiny locking legends sucked story was eh and they really shafted terapagos' importance and lore

shadow wind
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Yeah it felt like it wasn’t there for any story reasons and kinda just more areas for mons

bold geode
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I mean they can shiny lock Urshifu all they want, ain't nobody want that

rustic mountain
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i would shiny hunt it

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also horses remained locked

bold geode
#

URSHIFU'S SHINY IS HORRIBLE

rustic mountain
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so? flex is a flex dude

shadow wind
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Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t sparkle

bold geode
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Ok the horses being locked is ass

rustic mountain
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yea i just felt there was no reason they needed to code the encounters that way

bold geode
shadow wind
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No matter how terrible the shiny may be it will always extend the game duration out and let me stall easier

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Iron defense Urshifu 🔥

boreal mauveBOT
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Shiny Urshifu
Provided by Nexus-Z
rustic mountain
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dude thats blood

bold geode
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Actually no I lied
It bathed in Jello mix

shadow wind
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Give me a fire type Urshifu in gen 10

rustic mountain
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triple strike

bold geode
rustic mountain
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breaks thru protect and ur ability to switch

bold geode
rustic mountain
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oh right lmao

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im tired

shadow wind
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Double strike

rustic mountain
#

double strike

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yea

shadow wind
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And it has built in gorilla tactics as well

rustic mountain
#

the urshifu to balance out the others

bold geode
#

Urshifu Strikeout

shadow wind
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And they give him the first fire type priority move

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Please gamefreak stop shafting the fire type

rustic mountain
#

magma jet

shadow wind
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I know it’s super good

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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But one prio move

rustic mountain
#

arguably the best vgc mon is a fire type

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and plenty of others doing well

bold geode
#

Chi Yu

dense latch
rustic mountain
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they got beaches

shadow wind
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Guys when I think of fire I think of Groudon vs Kyogre which is not accurate because Groudon isn’t even a fire type but no prio move and sun not doing half of what rain does

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Can Sun please cause the genie moves to be 50% accurate

rustic mountain
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no

bold geode
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Bro likes his Groudon

dense latch
rustic mountain
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should get lza dlc then to encounter groudon in its primal form

dense latch
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they’ve been treating them well

shadow wind
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Fire types yes, but not my fire types 😔

rustic mountain
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firepon and gouging fire as new fire types, chi yu

dense latch
shadow wind
#

Now what if we made heat wave 100% accurate in the sun

rustic mountain
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eh prolly 2-3 years

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if they follow the usual mega trajectory format path

shadow wind
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I just don’t get rain got so many moves that get better in it but sun got solar blade/beam

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Screw electro shot

rustic mountain
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sun is not hard pressed for dominance so idk y it matters

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does well like almost every format especially in sv

shadow wind
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I like the sun😔

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Torkoal carrying since day 1

rustic mountain
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yea

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gen 3 best gen

shadow wind
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I never played Gen 3

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Or even a remake

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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My love for Groudon isn’t even nostalgia

rustic mountain
#

older games kinda suck goin back from current games (cant speak on oras never played that one) so prolly better to just wait if they ever do another remake or legends game

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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He’s just so awesome

rustic mountain
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groudon is cool

dense latch
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i love oras

shadow wind
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I played xy not oras

molten oasis
#

My first bought game was SWSH

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But I’ve played gen 2-5 games

leaden fox
#

Safe to say; in due time, we'll be seeing Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre back in the meta 😂

warm estuary
#

Cool I’ve always wanted to use them

leaden fox
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Can imagine using Primal Kyogre in a Rain team 🤣

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And Primal Groudon in a Sun team

warm estuary
#

They would be kinda broken

leaden fox
#

I may have to go back onto SwSh and do Dynamax Adventures for shiny Kyogre/Groudon 😂

leaden fox
warm estuary
#

Shiny hunting in dynamax adventure was so boring it took so much

leaden fox
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May be the case "at times", but it is 1 in 100 for shiny rates

warm estuary
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Wasn’t 1 in 300?

leaden fox
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Plus Groudon and Kyogre shouldn't take a crazy amount of effort to do

warm estuary
#

I still don’t love shiny hunting

leaden fox
warm estuary
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I don’t have shiny charm😭

leaden fox
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Ah

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I always try to make sure to get the shiny charm in every game; though most specifically in games it is possible 😅

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Even trying to get many of the shiny Alphas in ZA atm xP

warm estuary
#

Nah catching every pokemon it’s too tedious

leaden fox
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Gives me something to do at least xP Plus will be legit shinies

warm estuary
#

I mean who uses non legit shiny

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Non legit Pokémon are so bad

leaden fox
#

Too true xP

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Though I have witnessed someone trying to start a fight when their Pokémon were discovered to be genned in

warm estuary
#

Lol

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And what happened they got banned

waxen dock
leaden fox
waxen dock
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everyone saw on stream

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like it showed like (x is to represent the link,and its not the actual link )xx.com as the ot

leaden fox
waxen dock
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and then this guy dropped at round 6

leaden fox
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Heck, that is why I try to get legit mons these days, either from friends I know who are playing the game, or doing it myself

waxen dock
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why drop when you are 4-1?

leaden fox
#

No idea honestly

waxen dock
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unless i see ot name is like a link or just obviously hacked we cant really know if its haxed for sure

leaden fox
# waxen dock i get them from home gts

Yeah, at times I am hesitant with Home GTS as there are people who can gen the mons in, then add them to Home for trade; we need to really see a "OT" shown on the offered mon

waxen dock
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but unless you see something very sus i dont think there is a problem

leaden fox
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That is fair; though I am fortunate I can get two legit Urshifus (one DF and one WF) since you can get one Kubfu in SwSh and the other in the DLC of ScarVio

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I just realised, that Mega Meganium can wall both Urshifu's big attacks 😂

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e.g. Surging Strikes, Wicked Blow and Close Combat

waxen dock
leaden fox
#

If they give Mega Meganium the ability "Triage", then that Mega will be very good (likely mid-A tier)

waxen dock
#

you are right

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so i expect to see a lot of poison jab urshifu

leaden fox
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Oh yeah, without a doubt

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Likely will see Urshifu Single Strike with Poison Tera and Poison Jab

waxen dock
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252+ Atk Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Meganium-Mega: 148-176 (95.4 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

leaden fox
#

Yeah, so with the Poison Tera, it would be a guaranteed OHKO

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Yeah, just checked
252 Atk Tera Poison Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Meganium-Mega: 204-240 (131.6 - 154.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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And that is without Adamant nature

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252 Atk Tera Poison Urshifu Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Meganium-Mega: 204-240 (109 - 128.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Even Max HP and Max Def would still be OHKO

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But it will depend on how used some of the new Megas will be

next stump
#

It appears the same on RK9 as a drop

chrome knot
solid frigate
#

Not Marco

leaden fox
chrome knot
leaden fox
#

Keep it up and we’ll end up seeing ya on stream 😁

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

DID YOU JUST BEAT MARCO

leaden fox
warm estuary
leaden fox
#

It'll be Birmingham UK next weekend 😅

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Though unfortunate I couldn't participate in it 😅

bold geode
#

IT'S TIME FOR THE TORONTO REGIONALS BAYBEE WOOOOO

leaden fox
#

Well, it has started before the stream started 😅

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But yeah xP

bold geode
#

Stream started tho lol

leaden fox
#

I know, have it on one of my three monitors lol

bold geode
#

Ope wait

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@foggy lodge HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
WHAT DOES THE OLD DATA SAY

#

IS THAT URSHIFU RAPID IN 5TH PLACE

#

Guys Chien Pao is a Grass type

IMG_20260117_083834186.jpg
warm estuary
#

Chien pao my fav grass type fr

bold geode
#

Check
#3

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Though Rapid Strike being higher than Incineroar is a surprise

warm estuary
#

Yup Yup

foggy lodge
#

Firepon will surpass Waterpon tomorrow

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Its my guess

bold geode
#

Marcus Dion leak your team plz

warm estuary
#

So Who else watching Toronto regionals rn

bold geode
#

Most of comp chat probably

foggy lodge
#

An update of Alex's EUIC team

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Landorus over Gholdengo

bold geode
#

Original 6 of Japan Balance

foggy lodge
#

And tera stellar focus sash Pao

bold geode
#

Interesting adjustments tho

foggy lodge
#

No tera fire clear amulet Pao💔

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Tho I understand it even Alex didn't like that set LMAO

bold geode
#

Helping Hand Incin pog

foggy lodge
#

Protect pao switch to Incin

waxen dock
foggy lodge
#

Dawg why is this a swords dance no headlong Ursaluna in a Rilla meta💔

waxen dock
leaden fox
#

tbf, Rilla has been meta for a long, long while 😅

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Makes you wonder if Rilla will be useful once the Mega format happens

chrome knot
#

1-1 lost on a game 3 call

bold geode
#

You still got this

foggy lodge
#

@bold geode i just voted like 40 times for Stefan vs Keanu LMAO

bold geode
#

A FUCKING SNUBBULL AT 2-0

#

@foggy lodge is Victory Road streaming the side stuff?

knotty briar
#

I finally put down Z-A and I have just one thing to say
I love reg I

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leaden fox
waxen dock
bold geode
#

HOLY SHIT @foggy lodge MARCUS LEAKED HIS TEAM

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LMFAO THE STREAM

dense latch
#

marcus is innovating like crazy

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leaden fox
knotty briar
chrome knot
#

2-2 drop ^-^

waxen dock
chrome knot
#

tired of the ways i’ve been losing

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bpd sucks too lol

leaden fox
#

Dang 🙁

bold geode
chrome knot
#

it was an 80:20 matchup

bold geode
#

Also girlie do me a favor and tell Kat I said to kick ass

chrome knot
#

no im back at the bnb

bold geode
#

Well I'm cheering for Kat still

stone trellis
empty hollow
#

Does everyone have a koridon

leaden fox
#

Likely those who picked up Scarlet yeah 😅
I don't have any to trade though

balmy glen
#

U gonna be at the venue tomorrow?

chrome knot
#

nooo i took off my wristbandFukingDies

balmy glen
#

oh

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ggs

chrome knot
gentle cragBOT
chrome knot
#

team was cool and fun sucks it got wasted on a 2-2 drop

chrome knot
#

all of gang

IMG_2386.jpg
dense latch
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this team somehow got three wins

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foggy lodge
chrome knot
dense latch
#

scream tail ❤️

chrome knot
#

scream tail is op

foggy lodge
#

cuz yesterday i was talking with a friend and they posted a screenshot of that team LOL

chrome knot
#

yeah thas my team lmao

foggy lodge
chrome knot
#

yeah thats one of our accounts

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we had 2 accounts in 1500-1650 range testing it on bo3

dense latch
chrome knot
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and then one in 1700s bo1

foggy lodge
#

I see

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Its a very interesting team it seems good

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I want to try it

chrome knot
#

its strong into the common teams rn

dense latch
#

i love paonite rn

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priospam in general is so fun for me

chrome knot
#

only “bad” matchup is hybrid tw/tr with the tr setter being farig

dense latch
#

what the fuck is a farigiraf 🔥

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

🫡

chrome knot
#

hard when mental ill

rustic mountain
#

def not easy

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

gen 9 was the gen of long neck mon dominance

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bolt and giraffe

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miraidon kinda has a long neck too

chrome knot
dense latch
bold geode
#

Why do you think you can't if you don't mind answering

chrome knot
#

because it makes me so upset

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mental literally crashes

rustic mountain
#

losses are tough especially wen ur a competitively driven person but its just trying ur best to not let it effect u too much not that u cant feel the emotion but that like it is going to happen and the ability to bounce back and regroup is just as important as netting wins

chrome knot
#

like the difference between mood after beating marco into losing round 2 was like seeing an entirely different person in the mirror

rustic mountain
#

right

chrome knot
#

then after getting full para’d to lose round 4 i got up walked away and threw my phone across the venue

rustic mountain
#

yea its something that is like, never fully achieved id say its always something that has to be worked on

chrome knot
#

i don’t have a normally functioning brain unfortunately

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so everything is like 10x as difficult

bold geode
#

Yeah it's hard to really
Find that good spot even without any mental issues

rustic mountain
chrome knot
#

easier said than done

rustic mountain
#

ofc

chrome knot
#

and is just ignorant to say it like its easy to do :/

rustic mountain
#

much easier said then done

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as most things

bold geode
#

The way I've done things recently is I've basically just started to just say I'm doing x because I just want to play the game and I don't expect literally anything

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But that could not work for you
The way different people find that good area can be different

rustic mountain
#

was just trying to offer encouragement im not invalidating your experience. its not something that magically changes the next tour or even after that. its just doing the little things each time to try to channel your energy into outlets that arent going to be detrimental to you after you deal with negativity

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

Yeah
I think one of the good things about it tho is that you can keep trying

molten oasis
#

I’ve been better about it

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I still have moments but I don’t rage as bad about losses anymore

static bridge
#

Does anyone know a pokemon that can set rain and learn trick room i know oranguru does but im not sure if it is competitively viable

dense latch
#

role compression is nice sometimes but imo it’d be better to have a good tr setter and a good rain setter

static bridge
dense latch
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whats the team

static bridge
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@dense latch Ogerpon wellspring mask maushold Iron hands archaludon dragonite and one more

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I still need something to cover psychic ghost grass and bug

dense latch
#

which isn’t the best in reg f

static bridge
#

Ok

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I am pretty new to competitive and im doing my best

dense latch
#

rain isnt in a great spot but if you wanna use it i can help

dense latch
static bridge
#

Do you think there would be any good replacements for anyone them

dense latch
#

what do you want the team to be built around

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or what do you want to keep at least

static bridge
#

I was wanting it to be built around a bulk up Iron hands and electro shot archaludon

dense latch
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i’d focus on arch, it’s at least decent

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bulk up hands is just not good in all honesty

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too much threatens it in the meta for it to be able to get bulk ups up and actually capitalize on them

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I was wanting to use it because its my favorite pokemon added in gen 9

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I was thinking I could use a follow me pokemon or rage power amoonguss

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amoong works

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My original idea was slow attacker that work well in trick room

dense latch
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and you typically want pelipper to set the rain and possibly tailwind here

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this team is from today’s regional in toronto

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incin amoong pelipper archaludon was really strong as a core in reg h you can probably take a page off of that if you want arch to work in reg f

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ursh tends to be the fighting type of choice now that it’s legal just bc it benefits so much from the rain

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Wait why life orb pelipper

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you can run sash and it’ll work too

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Ok

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lorb isnt the standard i imagine the creator wanted a bit more damage on the team

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given arch and urshifu kinda carry

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Yeah the rest are support

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you can probably swap out p2 for another piece that gives you more offense like chien pao

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Ok

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though take my advice with a grain of salt i havent really tried out rain or seen many teams use it as of late

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but chien pao and urshifu are amazing together

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Ok

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the only problem is that both chien pao and pelipper like having sash

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Is there any modes in the team

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off the top of my head you can probably play some games with incin amoonguss lead and peli arch back

the lead lets you get some stat drops with incineroar or spores with amoonguss so the board allows for archaludon to try and sweep

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Ok

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chien pao and urshifu can both close out and start off games

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So I should probably always have amoonguss and incineroar on my team

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as in the 4 you bring? not really

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Ok

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you can leave one or both behind in many matchups im sure

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sorry i cant help you that much with matchups and lines, this is all mostly theory and what i could maybe see working in a rain team

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Do you think room service on chein pow

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why

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what are you setting trick room with

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chien pao is too fast for it regardless

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I wanna make sure I have something to attack if there if I go up against a trick room team

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Because archaludon doesn't to my knowledge benefit too much from trick room

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amoong underspeeds most and you put them to sleep

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incin can help slow down with fake out if there’s no psychic terrain

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arch can just tank most attacks and hit back

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Ok

shadow wind
chrome knot
rustic mountain
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that carris vs chua set was good

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g3 was a rollercoaster in the mid game lol

molten oasis
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Good regional so far

bold geode
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All top 8 matches let's go

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Pretty big survival

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Think D Gleam picks up here?

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i hope aaron brok wins toronto

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Though I know we're in Top 4 next