competitive_discussion

[jade dust]

My most hated enemy

[timber falcon]

does tera apply 1.5x boost to moves or 2x?

for example if my incin used tera fire flare blitz, would it stack on top of the orignal STAB

[spiral zealot]

its 2x boost if they already had STAB

[timber falcon]

ty

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to mothscales

[spiral zealot]

so tera fire incin gets 2x to fire moves
and tera grass incin gets 1.5x to grass moves (while also keeping the 1.5x to fire and dark)

[timber falcon]

thats great to hear, ive been hesistant when it came to running offensive teras, that 2x boost should give me the confidence when attacking, but ill try calcing to make sure

[stone trellis]

Tera works like this:

• Applies a 50% boost to non-STAB moves if they match the Tera type
• Applies a 33% boost to STAB moves, turning STAB into a 2 times multiplier if the STAB moves match the Tera type
• Tera Stellar applies a 20% boost to non-STAB moves on top of the 33% boost to STAB moves
• All single hit, 0 priority moves with less than 60 BP automatically get set to 60 BP upon the Pokemon Terastallising into either the type of the move with less than 60 BP or Tera Stellar

[spiral zealot]

i didnt know about the base power boost

[stone trellis]

It only really affects two Pokemon in VGC, to my knowledge.

Those being Tera Fire Koraidon, whose Flame Charge goes from 50 to 60 BP and Tera Stellar Flutter Mane, whose Icy Wind goes from 55 to 60 as well.

The floor BP thing is obviously applied before the matching Tera type/Tera Stellar boost.

So Tera Fire Koraidon effectively gets a 1.8x multiplier on its Flame Charge, as it first becomes 60 BP (a 1.2x multiplier from the original 50) and then gets boosted by STAB to 90.

Oh yeah, Tera Fairy Draining Kiss CSR too.

[timber falcon]

last bullet point is quite an odd little addition they made tbh. It helps but its random to my knowledge of tera

[spiral zealot]

i always wanna think koraidon is fire type
i was like "wouldn't it go to 120 with tera stab"
stupid non fire type with drought smh /j

[stone trellis]

It might come in handy at some point.

[spiral zealot]

i think it makes sense from a single player game design perspective
especially early in the game they want to prime you that tera is impactful even when your only moves are like ember and tackle

[stone trellis]

Yeah, turning 30-40 BP moves into 60 BP ones is quite the leap at that point.

Sucks if you've somehow got a multi-hit or priority move though.

Either way, the floor boost should be buffed to 80 BP.

I WANT MY CHOICE SPECS MIRAIDON TO KILL LUNALA WITH TERA DARK SNARL DAMN IT

[timber falcon]

koraidon not being fire type is one of the factors which makes it worse in damage output than miraidon, a shame honestly

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's marginally worse.

(Without Tera Fire)

[spiral zealot]

my theory has been that they just didn't wanna uslurp zekrom/reshiram

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, because people have definitely been using those.

[timber falcon]

even with tera fire, itd only be 1.5x right? Miraidon gets a 2x boost and a STAB move with 70bp which allows for pivot

[spiral zealot]

i just meant thematically they didnt wanna do zekrom/reshiram combo again
i dont think they've ever done straight reruns of legendary typings

[timber falcon]

Imo Koraidon and Miraidon were done a little poorly for box art legendaries, after playing black and white recently, narratively they should be inferior yet they power creep in every single way

they seem like competetive addons for the sake of it

[stone trellis]

Koraidon Flare Blitz
BP: 120
Sun boost: 1.5x (180)
Orichalcum Pulse Attack boost: effectively 1.33x (240)
Life Orb boost: 1.3x (312
Tera Fire boost: 1.5x (468)

Miraidon Electro Drift
BP: 100
STAB: 1.5x (150)
ETerrain boost: 1.3x (195)
Hadron Engine SpA boost: effectively 1.33x (260)
Choice Specs SpA boost: effectively 1.5x (390)

[timber falcon]

wb tera electric

[stone trellis]

Name a normal person that uses Tera Electric Specs Mirai.

I'll wait.

[timber falcon]

i used to

i always assumed that was to go to for amoongus

[stone trellis]

Again, "normal person".

[stone trellis]

It's to kill CIR.

That 98,5% calc lives in Miraidon players' heads rent-free.

[timber falcon]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Amoonguss: 228-268 (103.1 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

but what if they run 252/252

[stone trellis]

You don't need Tera Electric to kill with Draco, dumbass.

Draco Meteor is a Dragon type move.

[timber falcon]

i thought that was volt switch wait

wait it never OHKOs

[stone trellis]

Volt Switch should be just outside of guaranteed KO range.

Yep.

[timber falcon]

i might be hallucinating i thought it could do that

[stone trellis]

That's because Volt Switch after Electric Terrain and Tera Electric only ever hits 121 BP.

While Draco hits 130.

I should rate every viable Miraidon set out of 10 because there's like, 20 of them.

Specs: 9/10 (the best one, go shove a Life Orb up your nose if you disagree)
Pros:

• Highest damage output
• Tera Fairy is the coolest Tera type

Cons:

• Tera Fairy DGleam doesn't do nearly as much damage as all of Miraidon's other moves due to the spread damage 25% reduction rule
• Prevents the use of Protect

[leaden fox]

So... who else is participating in Grand Challenge IV on ScarVio? 😅

[stone trellis]

Most of us.

Why do you ask?

You want a team?

[leaden fox]

Nah, I have a team ready and built after 300+ test matches; so I should be all good 😅

I have done competitive since X/Y, but not for in-person events at the time 😅

[stone trellis]

You'll be in Masters, right?

[spiral zealot]

i was considering it but i haven't done any real competitive battling yet so its kind of scary
i might avoid it and just do ladder for the season that just started instead

[stone trellis]

It's the same as laddering.

[leaden fox]

Yes, will be in Masters

[stone trellis]

It's still best of 1 with a closed team sheet.

[stone trellis]

Sweet.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I can understand that honestly; though helps when you test your teams, etc on Showdown too 🙂 If you aren't sure what to run, just keep the windows open and see what other people are playing and figure out a team from that 🙂

[stone trellis]

I hope my team bombs because I hate using HO and I don't want future me to think it's my style because I get lucky and win games.

[leaden fox]

HO?

[stone trellis]

Hyper offense.

Flutter Mane + Chi-Yu.

That sort of stuff.

[leaden fox]

Ah ok; my team is all about balance and able to figure out what my opponent is doing xP

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I have no idea what my team style's about.

All I know is I tend to be really good into balance and HO and shit into mostly everything else.

[leaden fox]

I know my team is: Tornadus, Landorus, Urshifu-RS, Rillaboom, Flutter Mane and Raging Bolt 😅
Would've gone a different route, but don't have Violet + DLC for it 😂

[stone trellis]

#trading_sv
#trading_sv_non_shiny
#trading_sv_pokedex

You don't have something? There are around 180000 people in this server that may want to give it to you.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, been considering that, though I know the mon I am after is a "one of" per save file 😅

Just need to figure out what to trade for such a thing xD

[stone trellis]

You can have multiple Walking Wakes per save file if they were traded to you.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, the one I'd be after is Iron Crown is all xP

[stone trellis]

You can still have multiple of it.

How about trading Gouging Fire?

[leaden fox]

Only have the one of that atm 😅

[stone trellis]

I got a second one.

I don't have Iron Crown yet though.

[leaden fox]

I have ideas of what I could trade, just need to sub to HOME again to get it though

[stone trellis]

Funnily enough, that sounds like food for my team.

Though I will 100% find a way to fumble it.

Even in a matchup where 2/3 of my opponent's team is weak to Chien-Pao.

[leaden fox]

Considering how many matches I have done to test and tweak it; I've beaten even many teams I am weak to 😅

[spiral zealot]

i do have a team for this reg that i built for indigo disk but its just a team i found a paste for from an old tournament

[leaden fox]

I mean that is always still good since RegF did come back 🙂

[stone trellis]

I basically jacked @waxen dock's team and made changes to two EV spreads and Tera types.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, the team I made was one where I looked at various teams, figuring out the best options, altering their items, teras and EV spreads; with myself now at my final choices

[stone trellis]

I still cannot figure out a good team that works for me in Reg F because I am team carried.

80% of my success is because of the teams I build, so when the teams literally can't go above a certain level, I'm stuck at the bottom.

I briefly got through the 1300 wall with the team I'm using for the GC, but even that was met by another wall.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I get that myself; my wall always seems to be 1600+ on showdown

[waxen dock]

What?

[stone trellis]

PaoNite, DozoGiri and Flutter Mane + Chi-Yu.

Your team.

[waxen dock]

You are using it in the gc?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

I thought I made that clear, but I might be an idiot.

[waxen dock]

But use it in masters

[stone trellis]

Yes.

I registered for Masters.

[waxen dock]

👍

[leaden fox]

Thankful my team runs well into DozoGiri 😅

[waxen dock]

Cuz i dont want people seeing my team in seniors

[leaden fox]

Certainly cannot blame ya

[stone trellis]

You're so lucky this is based on year of birth and not date of birth.

[waxen dock]

Why?

You arent getting points anyway

[stone trellis]

Cause if you have to be 17 by the time an event is occurring to qualify for Masters, I'd still be in Seniors right now.

[waxen dock]

So it doesnt matter for you

[stone trellis]

I don't care about the points.

[waxen dock]

You cant get points

Since you probably sont have play! Id

[stone trellis]

Which would mean that I would inevitably show your team to more people.

So yeah, you're lucky that you have the opportunity for a generational run.

[leaden fox]

Thankfully have my Play ID; so will end up getting some CP if in the right points 😅

[waxen dock]

You also need to connect nintendo account

[waxen dock]

And it isnt guarnteed that youll get points

[leaden fox]

Yeah, done that 😅

[leaden fox]

And yeah, I know I need to hit a certain threshold; not my first Grand Challenge fortunately

Though I know we have until April until ScarVio ends it's competitive reign; since Champions should be usable by then

Though looking forward to seeing how the new Megas run in Champions; as well as past Megas (who have somewhat been buffed xP)

[stone trellis]

I don't know which of all the Megas I want to use in Champions, not gonna lie.

Which ones are the most promising?

[leaden fox]

I mean, Mega Lopunny got buffed since Scrappy blocks Intimidate now
Mega Gardevoir now has Expanding Force
I would imagine some of the new Megas will be good, but until we see their abilities, cannot be sure yet

[stone trellis]

I'd almost say Mega Kangaskhan would be cracked, and then I realised that Choice Scarf Urshifu exists.

[spiral zealot]

same with gallade

[leaden fox]

Very true yeah

[leaden fox]

And yeah, Urshifu still a problem xD

[waxen dock]

Gallade not since gallade inner focus happens only when it megas evolve so incin can still intim it before it mega evolves

[leaden fox]

There is that yes

[stone trellis]

I'm making a team that consists of Leftovers Bolt, Scarf Shifu, Goggles Incin, AV Rilla and Booster Flutter.

I could probably remove Scarf from Shifu and give it Sash because I already have Flutter for that shit.

I need to decide who the last member will be.

[timber falcon]

what about farig

youve got a lot of offence down, i reckon a support mon last would be nice. Or you could further commit to offence with smth like firepon, though a prominent form of speed control never hurts, tornadus works too

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, Farigiraf.

[leaden fox]

Farig also has Armor Tail to remove your opponent's priority

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[leaden fox]

Though be mindful of NG Weezing 😅

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to give Farigiraf the Grassy Seed.

[leaden fox]

If you are leading or have Rilla in the back; that could work

[timber falcon]

would make it quite difficult to prevent tr from getting up, though leaves it susceptible to taunt.

[leaden fox]

Though it also helps counter opposing Rillas too

[timber falcon]

also discourages a pivot

[leaden fox]

And yeah, when I run Farig, depending on the team I run with it on will determine your held item; so if Farig is just there to be supportive but have some offense too; it's not as bad; if it's there for just full on support, Mental Herb may help

[stone trellis]

Taunt from who? Tornadus or Whimsicott?

[leaden fox]

With Armor Tail, Prankster fails

[timber falcon]

ive been taunted a few times by opponent flutters

[stone trellis]

That was the point of what I said.

[leaden fox]

But people run Taunt on fast mons like OTOT says about Flutter

[stone trellis]

Fair point, I might consider Mental Herb.

[timber falcon]

btw, what kind of flutter are you running?

spatck or speed and is it cm?

[stone trellis]

Speed and no.

I just want to outspeed the Scarf fuckers and Icy Wind them into Urshifu range.

[timber falcon]

so then im assuming bolt is calm mind

[timber falcon]

fairs

[stone trellis]

And yeah, it is.

[timber falcon]

appears to be a pretty flawless balance team in that case, the rest is in evs and piloting

[leaden fox]

Just have to be wary of Electric Tera Raging Bolt with Thunderclap

Since they can ohko Urshifu RS

[timber falcon]

rilla kinda walls and flutter chips down

[leaden fox]

True, though still will depend on your opponent's team and leads; since if you can't safely bring out a mon from the back, it'll slowly backfire

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/a76d9c29b61b9443

I might change the items and EVs a bit, but I think this is pretty good so far.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2512510955-6u6u6rd4tkpgbrdxsj1qulf548celaepw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2512512059-gesdshtt1y3eu4a4lvr6v8v860wlfkgpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2512514594-ymmn1nkucf9wligkrut2m69ksk4vcjppw

This team is kinda cracked.

[leaden fox]

Oh yeah, just looked at two of the three replays; you ain't wrong

[stone trellis]

This just shows how team-carried I am.

[leaden fox]

Too true; just have to be careful if you face someone like Wolfe Glick or Marco Silva 😅

Even I have to be careful if I face someone like that 😅

[stone trellis]

I've already accepted that I'm 100% losing the moment I come across any actually good competitive player.

And I locked my team for the GC already.

(+I don't participate in any IRL tournaments)

[leaden fox]

I haven't had the chance to do any IRL tournaments; mainly because they don't seem to like Manchester 😂
My team was locked in for GC yesterday, had to make sure I triple checked everything too lol

Thankfully had many, many vitamins, feathers, mints, Tera Shards, etc 😅

Only thing that sucks: Fresh Start Mochi

So here is hoping Champions lets you be precise with your EVs and easy to change your EVs 😅

[next stump]

Have you checked out EUIC or Birmingham? Or are those too difficult to travel to, I’m not super familiar with British cities

[leaden fox]

EUIC is in London; so a fair more out of my expenses range; whereas Birmingham is more possible; but seeing as I have to purchase a new PC first; cannot afford it this year

[next stump]

Ah totally fair, hopefully you can manage a new PC before the prices skyrocket

[leaden fox]

Obviously Birmingham is about 1hr 20mins away via train; whereas London is 3hrs 45mins 😅

[leaden fox]

I think I should be good luckily 😅

[next stump]

🙏

[leaden fox]

Though hoping to eventually see Wolfe Glick back at an in-person event (yes I do support him xD); though depends if he will soon 😅

[waxen dock]

just use berries

[leaden fox]

I did, ran out xD

Been running around the whole map to get more too lol

[stone trellis]

I'm going to sit down and farm Mochi the whole weekend as much as I can.

I'll try to get to around 150-200 of each.

I'll put some on Pokemon I hatched trying to get a shiny and trade them to you.

[leaden fox]

One thing I hate about the Fresh Start Mochi though; it's full on RNG 😅

[waxen dock]

you can get them in the markety in the beach city

[leaden fox]

Yeah, just trying to make them sell them xD

[waxen dock]

just skip a day

[leaden fox]

Oh don't worry, I have been

[timber falcon]

Does calm mind bolt really want volt switch over tempo control such as protect?

Seems like it could be forced out very quickly even with set up

[foggy lodge]

Volt switch calm mind bolt is trash

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[leaden fox]

Honestly believe instead of Volt Switch, either: Thunderbolt or Electroweb are your better options

[stone trellis]

I forgot about Thunderbolt.

[leaden fox]

It happens 😅

[leaden fox]

I do dread to imagine what matches I’ll be getting this coming Grand Challenge 😅 Though think the last Grand Challenge (on ScarVio) is late next month or early March

[waxen dock]

the next grand challenge will be in may

the question is about the global challenges

they are more important

[stone trellis]

This team's fine, but I really need a good way to deal with Poison types.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2512665945-tbmq5qkyqqldea5gb2wde64oh63h040pw

[stone trellis]

We're probably having one in February, right?

[waxen dock]

maybe

maybe not

i hope they dont happen

[leaden fox]

Yeah; I just assume Grand Challenges will be done before Champions drops; since we are on our fourth one next, and they only do 5 a season

I know that RegI will be active starting this month until end of March; whereas RegF will be the same dates, but only for competitions and in-person events

So I suspect (likely will be confirmed 27th Feb) that Champions will be out early to mid March; then will be properly active for ranked and more starting April

[foggy lodge]

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[waxen dock]

reg i is only in ranked

[waxen dock]

i think around like 15 march it will be out already

since its almost guartneed the next format will be champions one

so we need at least 2 weeks to prepare for the new format

[left bobcat]

Wait WE still on reg I?

[timber falcon]

how much attack/defence does a pokemon need in order to be considered bulky or an offensive threat?

[left bobcat]

Elaborate

120 and above is good for attack

[timber falcon]

I was watching a Wolfe video, in the team building process he remarks how he required a pokemon that could "do doamage" rather than a supportive one, hence why he chose yanmega. Yanmega has a base special attack of 116, whearas his other options cappes at 86 attack (talonflame)

[timber falcon]

i see

[left bobcat]

110 is just meh

[timber falcon]

what about defence?

[left bobcat]

Unless you double down on +252 adamant

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmmm ngl I struggle with that because it depends in some mons case 90 is good

Mostly depends on hp too

[waxen dock]

on ranked

but only japanese players care about ranked

[left bobcat]

Oh

[timber falcon]

i thought it was reg F

[wooden plover]

In person or official tournaments (like Grand Challenge) are Reg F, online ranked is using Reg I rules IIRC.

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/287dc67cdb0b7d25 im reworking the way i approach hydreigon, and am trying to take advantage of its "levitate" ability with earthquake ursaluna. Im not sure which tr setter i should use however, porygon2 seems nice, but it also results in a 3x fighting weakness

any ideas what i could use? farig and indeedee exist but im not so sure abt them

ive gone cres for now

[wooden plover]

Indeedee can be good because it can help with terrain control against Rillaboom and also help prevent priority moves like Fake out.

[timber falcon]

thats true, and terrain control would allow me to use earthquake without a pesky 0.5x nerf

but im not sure if it has the bulk to almost guarantee trick room for when its needed... maybe ill not worry too much though

[leaden fox]

Yeah; that is what I meant, forgot to iterate that 😅

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c552e7c08f3ec137 put the team together and ended up with this, any thoughts would be much appreicated

volcarona should have bug buzz over bug bite, and hydreigon focus energy instead of focus blast

[stone trellis]

I can help with the EVs.

[timber falcon]

thats great, ive swapped indeedee for farig because psychic terrain, got any idea for how i should EV it? Also struggling with speed evs

corviknight is running tailwind for "fast mode" im unsure which pokemon i want to make fast or slow

[stone trellis]

Thank God I've become good at farming all the Japanese HO teams.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to ido1500

[stone trellis]

Do you want Farig to be more offensive or more bulky?

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/96ae0b3a4708662e

[timber falcon]

offence would be nice

[timber falcon]

but i do like this bulk, whats it calced for?

[leaden fox]

I know when I do bulk for Farig; mine isn’t very optimal, but seeing as we are in a physical meta; likely have it 244 hp, 196 def and then 68 into spatk @timber falcon

[chrome knot]

are we in a phys meta..?

[leaden fox]

Majority of the time yes; we do have many special attackers about; but compared to the big physical attackers like Urshifu, Incineroar, etc; those are more apparent 😅

[timber falcon]

What does this defence survive?

[waxen dock]

People are running bold flutter

(+def-att)

[leaden fox]

Should let you survive a Wicked Blow Adamant Nature Urshifu with about 16 - 22% HP

But you can also make it Fairy Tera too

[chrome knot]

to live wood hammer… that is it

like that is the calc aimed for

[leaden fox]

tbf, we cannot laugh about bulky Flutter; since I know that Wolfe Glick used that in a Regional at one point

[chrome knot]

? its a good spread

[waxen dock]

max bulk flutter

like 220 220+

[leaden fox]

Yep

[leaden fox]

Question; which new Megas from ZA + DLC (despite no abilities known yet) do you think will have the most dominance in Champions?

[lofty tartan]

Flutter goes hard into defense because it has 135 base spdef. It doesn't need to invest there to survive certain things.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I know it survives a lot of special attacks

[vapid parcel]

I missed the registration for VGC EUIC 2026. Who’s the same?

[leaden fox]

Well I knew I would be missing it; since cannot afford to do so on the count of getting a new PC 😅

[timber falcon]

Merci

[timber schooner]

Can indeed and the mushroom be on the same team

[stone trellis]

Yeah, why not?

[leaden fox]

Indeedee and Amoongus can be ran on the same team yes

[stone trellis]

Double redirection isn't extremely popular, but it works.

[leaden fox]

Rage Powder helps against Urshifu RS, especially with Rocky Helmet xD

Just watch out for Stalwart and/or Safety Goggles

[left bobcat]

Popeye biscuittttt

Wit no drankkkkkk

[polar nest]

ogerpon went on x games mode https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2513555558-dk8c1o2qyhmljdiit6x65k6alf8qledpw

[lucid forge]

Is anyone good at building teams I need some help

[rain grotto]

Vgc community please help I have ursaluna but I want either gholdengo, lunala, or rapid urshifu for my team. If ur willing to trade plz dm

For scarlet

[stone trellis]

I got you.

I can get you a Lunala.

[solid frigate]

On what help?

[leaden fox]

Also depends on what style of team you’d like too; little more info goes a long way 🙂

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2513797390-07v3fx3m5q2po9l4w0mcrat0fx2p5oopw

[leaden fox]

Still running the team to make sure of every scenario?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what works.

[leaden fox]

All good 😁 I know my only weak point for my team, but it is not very often I see it 😅 But weather teams, fast teams, trick room teams I can handle

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2513800168-m2lsfi3gj3t9nyfalq0p9dl9yo0jvwgpw

[leaden fox]

I swear I'll end up facing you in the GC itself 😂

[solid frigate]

I want to see how much knowledge and experience they have on Teambuilding first

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2513803606

[leaden fox]

Fair dos 🙂

Hopefully you won't mind my replay Paul xP

And the name "DanielCarter" is my alias, not my real name, well, Daniel is my first name, but obvious by my username lol

[stable cove]

I running a blood moon uslaluna trick room with amongus and a tailwind mode team next regionals in Australia if you want team info dm me

[solid frigate]

Is it Tailroom Blursa

[lucid forge]

Doesn’t matter the style tbh id just like a team with both dondozo and Hoopa on it

[lucid forge]

Building a team with Hoopa and dondozo on it

[solid frigate]

Wait Hoopa is a Mythical

Its banned

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Hoopa is banned without a question

[solid frigate]

There is a good archetype with Dondozo

2-2-2 variant teams

With Pao Nite,Dozogiri and usually Flutter+ Chi Yu

https://pokepast.es/6110eb3f2e1dd429

@lucid forge

This team is a good reference

This team got top 16 in Vancouver Regionals in Reg F 1

[leaden fox]

I know for sure that is a hyper offensive team too; which in a lot of bo1's, it really doesn't struggle too much

Though my team thankfully counters that well without having to run specific counters

[solid frigate]

For someone who wants to do good in a regional,I just give them the best reference I can give them

I’m no fan of 2-2-2 but like

It was shown in Victory Road Rental team

[leaden fox]

True, very true

I know I am thankful I try to build my teams from scratch; but I do by looking into what is seen in the overall meta of mon picks, etc and sort myself out around that 🙂

[solid frigate]

Nothing goes wrong with Meta Picks but this regulation basically be wise with the picks you get and hope expectations is not that high since this is a skill check format

[leaden fox]

Oh yeah, without a doubt for sure; I have been seeing certain plays made by certain people and can understand what sorts of leads, etc they do

[solid frigate]

That’s good,it’s a good start on how you pilot a team

[leaden fox]

Yeah, an example is someone leading Lando-T and Tornadus-I, with Ogerpon-Wellspring in the back, I knew they were gonna swap into Ogerpon with my Tornadus-I and Urshifu-RS lead, so I went Surging Strikes into Tornadus and got the predict correct 🙂

[solid frigate]

That’s call hard read,which is risky in my opinion but it’s pretty good situationally

I think I did that too much during my first round in my first regional back in last year’s Janurary

[leaden fox]

It's just because I knew they wouldn't let me take the Tailwind against them and not Tailwind or Taunt back; so I did that hard read and got it

[solid frigate]

What is your Tornadus Speed btw

[leaden fox]

179 (Lv50 of course)

Which is max speed EVs + timid

[stone trellis]

It's 244 Timid.

Isn't it?

[leaden fox]

244 if Lv100

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, I confused myself, it is max Speed.

I always have 220 Timid Whimsicott in my mind, who does have 180 Speed.

[leaden fox]

No worries; it isn't expected of anyone to remember all 1025 Pokémon's highest stats xD

[solid frigate]

You shouldn’t have too much issue with worrying about Tailwind,mine is also 252+ but with a little bit of bulk

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I know Whimsi does outspeed Torn if both timid and max EVs into speed

[solid frigate]

You don’t need to worry about whims too much in this meta since I only see Tornadus

[leaden fox]

Yeah, mine has some bulk and invests into spatk too

[solid frigate]

Then good

[stone trellis]

I don't, I just do the calculation in my mind.

(Base stat * 1.1) + 57 is true for all of them.

[leaden fox]

yep, makes sense 🙂

[solid frigate]

Or just whip out the calculator

[stone trellis]

No, that takes too much time.

[solid frigate]

That’s how I check calcs anyway

[stone trellis]

Using that to calc stats is pointless 90% of the time.

[solid frigate]

I mean I only do calcs when I have free time anyway

And it took me 20 minutes to do all of my teammates calcs anyway

[leaden fox]

I tend to do calcs with Showdown and Showdown's Damage Calculator

[solid frigate]

My man

[stone trellis]

If you know the bsse stat and where each stat bump happens based on the last digit of the base stat, you know everything.

[leaden fox]

I mean, I have to be specific and know if I can ohko certain mons while holding onto bulk 😛

[stone trellis]

(This might be important for some people lmao)

[leaden fox]

You likely won't see the stats; but this is the team I am using:
https://pokepast.es/4b14547c8c4ed509

[solid frigate]

Why two dragon moves

You only need Draco Meteor for the burst damage

[leaden fox]

Draco Meteor is there for certain criteria; and since it is Assault Vest, unable to use status moves

[stone trellis]

Snarl works.

So does Volt Switch.

[leaden fox]

I know Snarl was viable too; but with the overall team, won't need it

[stone trellis]

VSwitch is actually great here, since you lose the SpA drops and can position yourself better.

[solid frigate]

In this team

Tclap,Volt Switch/Tbolt,Draco,Snarl

[leaden fox]

I did try to run tclap, tbolt, draco and snarl; but it did struggle often; don't know how, but it did

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2513902643

[waxen dock]

i use my own 2-2-2 which is similar to this

but also not really

[lucid forge]

Which pokemon do you think I should replace with dondozo

[solid frigate]

Just use it

It has dozo

[lucid forge]

Whoops my dumb ass 🤦‍♂️

[lucid forge]

I meant Hoopa

Sorry

If there’s a possibility it could fit on the team

[solid frigate]

Hoopa is banned

[lucid forge]

I usually play unranked matches

[solid frigate]

Then just use whatever if you are playing Casual

[leaden fox]

Hoopa isn’t allowed unfortunately; since it is classified as a Mythical and cannot be used under current rule sets

[lucid forge]

Really ? I was just using it in casual battles in the battle stadium mode

[leaden fox]

Plus not sure if Hoopa can be transferred into ScarVio

[lucid forge]

That’s strange

[lucid forge]

It is I have a team I was just looking to make a new one

[leaden fox]

Though haven’t used mythicals overall 😅

[solid frigate]

Hoopa can but like if they are playing casual matches

Then just use anything you want

[leaden fox]

Ah ok

[lucid forge]

But id actually like to make a good team 😭 I don’t want to play and lose

[solid frigate]

Trust me the casual matches players are like really dumb

You can do good with just that team

I can’t help you with Hoopa cuz I never used it

[leaden fox]

Not used Hoopa either; neither form to be specific lol

[stone trellis]

Reg J is gone.

So Hoopa's out of ranked and you don't need to worry about the sweaty-ass Japanese players that will wreck your shit using HO brimstone anymore, as Hoopa's only available in casual battles now.

[leaden fox]

I swear; sooner Champions comes out, the more balanced comp may end up being 😂

[stone trellis]

Why?

[leaden fox]

Mainly due to certain being capable of dealing with Urshifu, etc 😅

[lofty tartan]

I mean we don't even know what the first format will be, if it will even include Urshifu, or anything like that.

And realistically I'm not sure what closes Urshifu out here. Everyone thought RS was done for when Raging Bolt hit, and he's fine.

Turns out removing your opponents' ability to protect is pretty good.

[bold geode]

"Urshifu is done" mfers when Raging Bolt pairs with it

That being said
I think in terms of regulation F, this is probably the worst time for Rapid Strike

[stone trellis]

I feel like the case for Mega Salamence is kinda big.

It is going to farm the shit out of Shifu and Rilla.

Those two alone are probably a combined 50% in usage rates.

[bold geode]

I mean it's too early to tell

[stone trellis]

Not to mention that it's a Flying type with Intimidate.

It has all it needs to be good.

[bold geode]

Like I mean we can speculate all we want (hell I do it myself sometimes, idc) but I think one thing you need to keep in mind is that everything rn is on paper

[lofty tartan]

Mmm... second highest used mon. Probably not exactly the worst time for Urshifu RS.

[foggy lodge]

Didn't Mega Mence used to run like -def natures cuz it was mixed

[bold geode]

Everything rn is on paper and the difference between paper and practice is commonly a good distance

[foggy lodge]

Its crazy how mixed attackers have dissapeared with the time

[bold geode]

It's worse compared to other times
Not saying it's bad, hell it's Urshifu how can it be bad

[lofty tartan]

Even less than on paper. We don't even have the abilities of all of the new Megas.

It's basically just screaming into the wind on a cold night

[leaden fox]

Though only issue I have with Champions atm (though may change) was in the last trailer we got; it showed 66 points for the EVs overall, rather than the one we are used to of 508 EVs 😅

[bold geode]

I mean I feel like it not even being on paper drives the point further

[lofty tartan]

It does.

[stone trellis]

I mean yeah, when you have slightly better physical bulk than Archaludon, you don't really care about lowering the Defense a bit.

[lofty tartan]

It's why I won't speculate on the viability of the new Megas, or a potential first Champions format, because it's beyond skeptical.

[bold geode]

Anyways
Yeah you can guess what will be good or not, but it very well may not be true

[stone trellis]

Especially since it's an Intimidate user.

[bold geode]

Eh as for a first Champions format, we know megas are allowed so honestly like
I feel that one's not as hard to guess tbf

Like logically they probably just use shit from an LZA dex

[lofty tartan]

All we presumably know is "Mega Format"

What is legal is entirely up in the air.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah we only know megas are allowed

[bold geode]

Yeah like they could not use the LZA dexes for sure but I at least feel like that one's not as much of a reach like guessing what megas are good

Like guessing what megas are good is maybe like grasping at straws at the very best case

[leaden fox]

Likely suspect (though cannot confirm yet) that the restricted and mythical Megas will be banned for some time

[lofty tartan]

Depends. But we don't now when Champs drops and for it to be a reasonable plant for LZA dex, you'd want Home compatibility for LZA first or aligned with.

[leaden fox]

All the info we want will likely be told on 27th Feb

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure, though if they're allowing megas and like
I'm pretty sure Mega Dnite was in the trailer so like
Honestly if there wasn't Home compatibility there I'd be a lil shocked

[lofty tartan]

People have expected big news before and gotten disappointed. I'll reserve my opinions until we see it.

[bold geode]

Feels like that would be a huge blunder on their part

[lofty tartan]

You can have Mega Dnite without LZA compatibility.

[leaden fox]

Don’t be surprised if ZA Home transfers happen same day as Pokemon Day or same day Champions drops

[bold geode]

Actually yeah it would be a blunder cuz isn't the whole shtick that you can use mons from Home in Champions

[lofty tartan]

The stones are not able to be transferred, so it's not like you have to send a Mega Stone into Champs. You just need a Dnite.

[bold geode]

Isn't there megas in ZA that aren't in SV or some shit

[stone trellis]

What is the name of Dnite's mega stone?

[bold geode]

Like was Starmie even in any of the Switch titles before ZA

[leaden fox]

Yeah, it’ll just depend on if certain mons that have Megas are transferrable from other games on the Switch series

[lofty tartan]

Why wouldn't they be? Champs interfaces with Home.

[foggy lodge]

Sw/Sh and Let's go

[leaden fox]

I mean if two to four can only be obtained in ZA and not other games as an example (not truth, just example)

[lofty tartan]

Let's Go and Sw/Sh together cover a lot. Then there's PLA and the DP remakes.

[bold geode]

Actually y'know what I lied

[lofty tartan]

Like what?

[bold geode]

Logically speaking, it would make sense to have Home compatibility and the first format be LZA dex

[lofty tartan]

Kanga is in Let's Go. Staryu is in Let's Go. NOT TO MENTION that you can transfer anything normalized from GO

[bold geode]

But also logically speaking, we're talking about The Pokemon Company

[lofty tartan]

You can't transfer Shadows and Costumes from Go, but everything else can be sent to Home.

[leaden fox]

I think the one Mega capable mon I know that you can’t easily get outside ZA is Magearna

[foggy lodge]

Go is big for home I've seen people just get most restricteds and legendaries for competitive from Pogo

[bold geode]

So like logic doesn't exactly cover the mistakes that TPCi would be able to make

[lofty tartan]

Which is a Mythical so only ever legal in formats that signal the end of a Competitive circuit and never competitively legal in events.

[waxen dock]

Yeah

[leaden fox]

True true; just trying to remember all the mons that have Megas as of ZA that aren’t easily obtainable off the top of my head 😅

Starter Megas will be fine since Blueberry Academy; so they are fine

[foggy lodge]

Most likely you'll just be able to buy the mons directly in champions

[waxen dock]

I gkt regjdrago from gts but its feom pogo

I actually rather that we can juat purxhase vp with irl money

[leaden fox]

I believe it is a rent service, so may only work for so many battles before you need to get them again

[waxen dock]

The champions currency

[foggy lodge]

No you can also buy it

[waxen dock]

You cant

[leaden fox]

Honestly glad they aren’t; would put a lot of people off it

[waxen dock]

They said you cant

[lofty tartan]

They said no microtransactions in Champions already.

There is no option to purchase anything with money

[foggy lodge]

No but with the points system

[waxen dock]

But you can just spend 40 dollars and get it over

[lofty tartan]

Victory Points are obtained through playing Champions

[waxen dock]

Instead of grinding for hours

[lofty tartan]

They've already said that.

[bold geode]

You'd be surprised honestly

[leaden fox]

Technically false; since only VP will be without microtransactions; but things like customisation may not be off the board

[bold geode]

Actually nah
VGC players can be cheap lol

[leaden fox]

Though I already know 6 - 8 teams I will build in Champions 😂

[bold geode]

I feel like some people would do micro transactions but also a lot probably wouldn't

[leaden fox]

Fair

[leaden fox]

Technically; the mainline Pokemon games are the microtransactions 😂

[waxen dock]

They arent

[bold geode]

Honestly kinda real

I mean people just naturally buy the games anyways especially if they play competitive but like
It feels crazy when you actually take a minute to actually think about how much money playing VGC can cost just off of buying the games alone

[foggy lodge]

I used to think like "there's no way champions has skins they wouldn't make enough money out of it" but i forgot how LOL makes most money out of its skins

[bold geode]

Yeah look at basically any F2P game ever

[stone trellis]

I swear to God, if I have to pay money to get Mega Rayquaza in VGC...

[waxen dock]

Probably not

But dont catch me on this word

[bold geode]

But yeah like
If you buy all the games
Got like 60 + basically 35 for SwSh + DLC

[waxen dock]

I dont think mega rayquaza will even be legal

[bold geode]

60 for BDSP

[waxen dock]

In 1st ruleset

[stone trellis]

Once it does become legal.

[waxen dock]

That will take like 2 years

[stone trellis]

I can wait.

[waxen dock]

Dont worry about it now

[bold geode]

60 for Legends Arceus

[waxen dock]

95 for sv

[bold geode]

60 for SV + 35 for DLC

And 60-70 for LZA

So

-calc 95 + 60 + 60 + 95 +60

[gentle crag]

Result: 370.000000

[bold geode]

So 370-380 USD for all that
And that's not counting the console itself which like

Switch 2 being like 500-600 means it's 970 USD at minimum if you're Switch 2 gaming

340 for the Switch so like

710 there

Max for Switch 2 is 1070 so 710-1070 USD price range and that's just for the software and hardware

[stone trellis]

450 is the bare minimum if you only have Champions, a Switch and S/V with DLC.

[bold geode]

And that's not even considering the irl circuit costs

[stone trellis]

@timber falcon Your team's fun.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2514014795-ks7oc975moe99857byxueiyu4qeaihwpw

[lucid forge]

Yeah but I still want a team surrounding my two favorite pokemon

[stone trellis]

Tough luck, you'll have to do it in casual battles only.

[versed river]

is showdown down for yall?

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[dense latch]

yea

[timber falcon]

Nice to see , I’m still tinkering with the sets tho, urshifu water can run through with rain

[dense latch]

at first glance it feels like ursh pao just runs over the team with no real counter to ursh

[timber falcon]

Exactly

[dense latch]

you have to rely on iron hands which gets outsped or using tera water volc which does nothing back

[timber falcon]

I’m considering swapping volcarona for a different specs mon, maybe smth slower. It’s also possible to swap farig with infeedee then run psyspam + tw

[leaden fox]

Urshifu-RS is a monster in rain for sure xD

Well, until you are stopped by Grass or Dragon, or both 😅

[timber falcon]

iron crown works

volcarona was primarily in the team to deal with ice teams and a way to deal heavy hits without set up

[leaden fox]

Would love to use Iron Crown myself; but don't want to part with Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire 😅

[timber falcon]

fairs, i managed to find a great trick room mon that not indeedee so i wont be using it either

sinistcha walls rapid shifu right?

and can run redirection for hydreigon to set up, its speed tier also allows both tw and trick room

[leaden fox]

I can tell you without a doubt of my mind: Yes, yes it does xD

I know it, all too well xD

Only Urshifu-SS doesn't get walled by Sini

[timber falcon]

Surging strike can also be SS

[leaden fox]

Urshifu-DF then xD

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c030fddd0caffd1e new and improved?

[leaden fox]

Honestly looking solid 🙂

[stone trellis]

Love to see other people's teams with my move ordering.

It feels like seeing someone make a video on beating Soul Melter EX and Ultimate Cup Z each ten times in a row while alternating between the two and trying to get a lower time on each run per game.

[leaden fox]

I know if instead of Rillaboom I went for Sinistcha; I may have had a better chance on certain things 😅

I honestly remember making this team; so if anyone wants it, you are more than welcome to 🙂
https://pokepast.es/d8a004f499453d73

[timber falcon]

ill yoink some of those sets, ive been meaning to create a dondozo/glimmora stall team for a while now

once im done with hydreigon ill get to it

[leaden fox]

Ah my bad; I used the wrong link 😂

https://pokepast.es/b2ea1f408eb7b46c

That is the correct link with the stat spreads

[timber falcon]

ty

[leaden fox]

All good 🙂

Obviously don't mind the "YtbB" text in the pokepaste; it is just my means of telling myself if I plan to run that team fully or not xP

[dense latch]

that's just the erizabeth team isn't it

[leaden fox]

Honestly not sure myself; basically went and checked certain statistics that would benefit them

[dense latch]

it is yea
down to the move and pokemon order from that one limitless tour

[leaden fox]

Ah ok, strange how that works out

[dense latch]

it's a cool team

[leaden fox]

Though never fully used it outside of 10 - 15 matches since it didn't fit my feel

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2514095029-38o4wej2glxbbqrt2fceu9w2drfnktgpw finding sinistcha amazing so far, combination of tr and redirection allows ursaluna to take charge, though ill admit i havent been using hydreigon as much as id like, or the whole tw variant all together

im still working on leads, getting ursaluna in tends to be risky, i might take advantage of volcaronas u-turn + sinistcha? or volt switch is another option on IH

[leaden fox]

Yeah, can see what you mean

[bold geode]

Hydreigon in the big 26?

Gang that ain't it

[timber falcon]

it looks cool tho

[leaden fox]

Yeah, once you start to know how to lead in your teams, it will help wonders

I know my team has 3 - 4 different leads dependent on what I face

[timber falcon]

when i do get focus energy off, the output on hydreigon is amazing

[bold geode]

Does it look cool in an urn after a singular Flutter Gleam

[dense latch]

i feel like the setup is not worth a 50% chance to crit

[timber falcon]

thats why ive got 2 heavy slam mons

[bold geode]

Real

[leaden fox]

With Sinistcha, you can divert the attack off Hydreigon luckily

[timber falcon]

is it only 50%>

[dense latch]

yes

[timber falcon]

oh...

[dense latch]

you need scope lens for 100%

[bold geode]

Like if you want big crit just run Focus Energy Ogerpon

[timber falcon]

ogerpon isnt nearly as cool

[dense latch]

if you really wanna use hydreigon you can but there's def better ways to do so than lorb focus energy

[timber falcon]

got any ideas?

[bold geode]

Ogerpon is that bitch, fym

[timber falcon]

its got decent support moves, but its typing isnt great in the current meta so i found it difficult to fit such a role

[timber falcon]

he wears a mask caus hes just that ugly, notice how hydreigon 2 extra puppets to show off its face? Thats confidence. Ogerpon is an introverted system pokemon

[leaden fox]

tbf, not running Ogerpon in my team for GC either xD

I did consider it at one point; but didn't seem to fit my team right

[shadow wind]

Scarf is usually pretty decent

Big fan of spamming the snarl button

[timber falcon]

My problem is feel I require protect cause of those nasty fairy’s and fighting types, I could trade focus energy for snarl tho and run a slightly more bulky set

I don’t want hydreigon to be a Tera crutch

[leaden fox]

Just have to watch out for Urshifu since it can go through protect

[solid frigate]

This is 2026 and we still misgendered Ogerpon

[leaden fox]

And likely Ogerpon will still be shiny locked in 2030 😅 Along with Victini and Keldeo 😅

[timber falcon]

oh yeah its guaranteed female

[timber falcon]

i was hoping rage powder could help me past that

[leaden fox]

It should do; just be aware that some players do run safety goggles Urshifu

[bold geode]

She*

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2514156048

^ Never bring Zoroark in a meta of Urshifu ^ 😂

[timber falcon]

Not one pokemon that resists water 😭

[mighty stump]

Anything new going on yet

Or any news of Champions release date

[dense latch]

nothing yet

we probably have to wait until pokemon day for news

[bold geode]

Nada gang

How you doing

[mighty stump]

I’m currently ill

and I’ve lost me sense of taste

[timber falcon]

Wish you a swift recovery

[leaden fox]

Yeah, was surprised with that too

[leaden fox]

This time of the year really hits everyone with the cold >_<

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2514452670 slowly getting used to tr/psyspam MU

[leaden fox]

tbf, their lead wasn't great 😅 Usually optimal leads would be IndeedeeF and Hatterene

[timber falcon]

True, I might’ve been screwed there. I’ve added snarl to hydreigons moveset for a better MU

I’m thinking hydreigon+volcarona for initial big damage, ursaluna at the back and (if torkaol) iron hands, else corv

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that may help 🙂

[lofty tartan]

Hoping for a speedy recovery, brother

[bold geode]

Yay

Get well bro

[leaden fox]

No one loves getting the flu; that’s for sure

[molten oasis]

Hope you get better man

[mighty stump]

Thanks yall

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/cMblpsYgrr0?si=5b5j9jMxumg6FgGu

[bold geode]

Good luck in the GC this weekend comp chat

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2514952753

LOL

[waxen dock]

game 1 was against 1410 with their in game team so i won

[leaden fox]

Cheers 😁 Though won’t be doing it too early in the day 😅

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[leaden fox]

I’ll let you all know when I have done my first 15 matches how I did 😅

[waxen dock]

im rn 7-1

oh no im against some like aramarouge spammer

[leaden fox]

Nice nice 🙂

[waxen dock]

now 7-2

[leaden fox]

Still a big positive at least

[waxen dock]

i just want to get to 1600

[leaden fox]

I know you'll get there for sure

[waxen dock]

on day 1

[leaden fox]

I'm just hoping to have at least 10W/5L or better 😅

[waxen dock]

ok

[leaden fox]

All depends on the teams I face

[waxen dock]

now 8-2

[leaden fox]

Nice 🙂

If you got 7-1 in a regional, day 2 instantly there 😁

[waxen dock]

my opponent is using thundurus

he will probably twave me

oh he terstalized

[leaden fox]

May be running defiant Thundurus instead, who knows

[waxen dock]

it was prankster

[leaden fox]

ah kk

[waxen dock]

but it used eerie impulse

which lowers spa by 2 stages

9-2

[leaden fox]

yeah, aware of that move myself

And keep it up 🙂

[waxen dock]

my opponent is now using balanced

balance

10-2

ill stop now since i got to 1600

[leaden fox]

Unless you risk the next three games 😅 But I know it carries over to the next day as is

[waxen dock]

i want to use them as last resort if something happens

[leaden fox]

Yeah, understandable for sure 🙂

Hoping I do well later on 😅

[waxen dock]

why not now?

[leaden fox]

Aiming to stream it

And will be placing my face cam over my moves so no stream snipes xD

[upper zealot]

in seniors?

i think you might be playing masters or something lol

cause theres no way you're 10-2 in seniors and 1600

let alone that there def arent 1600 people playing in seniors

[leaden fox]

You'd be surprised honestly

[waxen dock]

oh

i meant that i got to 1600

not top

probably i typed the p by accident and i didnt notice

1600 the elo

but in terms of players this tour is similar to the 2nd gc at least in seniors

so there are about 1200 players

[leaden fox]

About to do my first 15 battles of GC Masters 🙂

Wish me luck

[leaden fox]

5 battles in: 4W 1L 🙂

[stone trellis]

I lost a battle to something that had a 4,86% chance of occurring.

[leaden fox]

Fissure? Sheer Cold? Protect spam?

[stone trellis]

Choice Band Landorus lands a double Rock Slide, which OHKOs my Dragonite and Chien-Pao.

[leaden fox]

ah yeah

[stone trellis]

Then, their Thundurus lands a Wildbolt Storm on my Dondozo, who gets paralysed, survives CB Lando's EQ at 1 HP and gets fully paralysed.

[leaden fox]

oof 🙁

[stone trellis]

That EQ calc may or may not make this even luckier.

Otherwise, I'm shit at Reg F, so this day has gone pretty well for my standards.

Tera Normal on the Dnite would've made everything fifty times easier.

I KO the Tornadus, Chien-Pao dies and I switch in Dondozo, who blocks the Intimidate because I accidentally gave it Oblivious.

And then the Thundurus is almost guaranteed to die after a Choice Band Tera Normal E-Speed and Life Orb recoil.

[leaden fox]

First 15 done; 10W 5L

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus-Therian: 153-180 (99.3 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

I made a huge misplay, man.

[leaden fox]

I know you'll make up for it though 🙂

Though I know I never faced you at least 😅

[waxen dock]

Are you playing in the senior or masters gc?

[leaden fox]

Think he is in Masters? Though I know I am xP

[stone trellis]

Masters.

[next stump]

nice job so far people

[waxen dock]

Ok

Im so relifed

Cuz the home bug is fixed

Now i see that both times i lost were exactly 6 hour diffrence

1 was 8:30 other was 14:30

[leaden fox]

Cheers 😁

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[warm estuary]

Guys someone got any vgc reg f team reccomendetions

Lowk gotta start grinding the ladder

[bold geode]

I'm 8-7 and I didn't gain a single point of rating
Did I do a good job

[dense latch]

you’re positive

that’s something

[leaden fox]

I went 10-5, could’ve hit 11-4 or 12-3 if I played a certain move correctly lol

[leaden fox]

Any mons you’d like to use specifically?

[warm estuary]

Mhh not really honestly

[leaden fox]

Hm, trying to think of some teams that would work

[leaden fox]

Could suggest: Farigiraf, Kingambit, Urshifu-RS, Incineroar, Ogerpon-Wellspring and Amoongus

[warm estuary]

Looks preatty good

Gonna have to figure out some moves especially for kingambit bc I never ever used him

Sorry I’m preatty new😅

[leaden fox]

Don't worry, helping ya now 🙂

[warm estuary]

Yay😃

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/ba9879c334e7852a
Here ya go; was a quick fix up; but used stat spreads I've used before on these 🙂

[next stump]

@warm estuary https://x.com/happyduckjj1/status/2005402291797631335?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

You can check this thread out as well

It has a bunch of teams with EVs people used in a recent online tournament

[warm estuary]

Aight thanks

[gentle crag]

oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[warm estuary]

Thank you very much😃
I taught that farigiraf was gonna have throat spray but it doesn’t so it’s gonna be interesting to use

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1767995980:R>.

[leaden fox]

Mental Herb is there to stop fast taunt plays so you can set Trick Room up easily

Prankster Taunt you are safe against luckily

[warm estuary]

Ohhh now I understand

Thank you very much

[leaden fox]

All good 🙂

[warm estuary]

I think I’m gonna try the team tomorrow

If while i try it there’s something that I don’t understand can i ask you

[leaden fox]

If I am awake, yes xP

From the UK after all xD

[warm estuary]

Yeah no worries

Both europeans 😆

[leaden fox]

All good

[solid frigate]

I really need to go to sleep now that you mentioned it

[leaden fox]

won't blame ya xP

[waxen dock]

how is the gc?

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2515815293-gu43bq3werl28x5x5eh4bovdcy20g50pw

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2515820116-f87fr6upq61gbn5m87arxl8x1msxij2pw

[leaden fox]

I know that HO teams do well in Bo1, unsure how well they do in Bo3 😅

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2515823911-r97b7u6llhn8i5u5qeyl7mi9l5jq305pw

[stone trellis]

I have never been a Bo3 (or HO) type of guy, so I have no idea.

[leaden fox]

I just know HO works well in Bo1, but never seen it via Bo3 😅

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2515828084-3xrue1tvdwsesilcvb4w4e4l0ru8tmupw

[leaden fox]

tbf, I think most of the time I see Iron Crown, it does run either: Booster Energy, Choice Scarf or Choice Specs 😅

[waxen dock]

15-2

number 8

[leaden fox]

Nice nice 🙂

[waxen dock]

thx

[leaden fox]

Hopefully you'll get to Number 1 in Seniors 🙂

[waxen dock]

now number 5

[leaden fox]

Even better 😁

[waxen dock]

thx

now im 18-2

ill stop for today

[leaden fox]

Considering you still have 5 matches to mess around with and that high up on the board; may be a good idea to do so 🙂

Whereas I am not, but hopefully when I do my next lot of matches, hopefully will xP

[waxen dock]

i now have 25 matches for tommorow

[leaden fox]

Yep, true that 🙂

No clue how well I will end up at in Masters; but will find out for sure; just need to keep playing to my strengths

[waxen dock]

i didnt even lose to luck this gc

only bad mu and bad predicts from me

[leaden fox]

And that is fair

[warm estuary]

Hii

Remember the team you Made me yesterday

[leaden fox]

Yes 🙂

[warm estuary]

Got any tips to play against snow teams?

They are giving me a lot of problems

[leaden fox]

Yeah, the biggest issue with Snow teams is the 50% Def they can when in snow, but if you can predict for when they make certain switches and try to save your Tera for Amoongus (because Water tera), then you'll have the ability to put them to sleep and slow the game down a little. Also Iron Head from Kingambit will OHKO Alolan Ninetales (unless it has a Focus Sash), so relying on Trick Room is a good idea against them

[warm estuary]

So against snow teams I use trick room and try to put to sleep my opponents with tera water ammongus and us e kingambit to do damage

Got it😁

[leaden fox]

Also relying on Incineroar with Parting Shot will help too; as it'll lower their offense; plus with Fake Out, you can have priority against them too; many discerning factors to take in luckily; just depends on their leads, etc

[warm estuary]

Oh aight thanks

The team is working good even if I lost a lot but i feel like I’m learning to use it

[leaden fox]

Yeah, learning the team as best you can always helps; also judging what your opponent does and consider that option helps in certain plays too

[warm estuary]

Ok thank you😊

[old edge]

Hellooo, I'm looking for people to spar with under F regulations. I'm practicing for a tournament and would like recommendations and to meet people.

[leaden fox]

When is the Tournament?

[old edge]

March 28th is the date of the tournament that will take place in Seville

[leaden fox]

Oh, the one in spain

I can try to help; though can't for at least today and tomorrow 😅

[warm estuary]

Guys

How do i ev train

Like what pokemon do i kill for every stat

If someone knows it

[leaden fox]

Trying to remember which ones in ScarVio

though I use the vitamins (proteins, etc), mochis and feathers more than anything

vitamins and mochis are 10 evs each, while feathers are 1 ev each

[warm estuary]

I don’t have dlc so no mochi but i don’t remember where you get feather

[leaden fox]

usually on the ground near water or on the water itself I think

[warm estuary]

Oh so you can’t buy them

Well i’ll just google it up

Thank you

[leaden fox]

no worries

will be even easier in Champions when that drops

[warm estuary]

Yes

I’m really exited for that

[old edge]

Okay, I'll be waiting 🙂

In my case, I don't need to know how to breed; I already have the team I want to use in mind. I need to improve my game reading and learn interactions. If anyone is interested, you can message me privately to arrange online battles 🙂

[leaden fox]

Assuming you can also use Showdown just in case? That'll help with testing your team against other kinds of teams

[old edge]

Yes, but I'd like to play with people who are a higher level, since I find the shootdown battles a bit easy and I feel like I'm not improving.

[foggy lodge]

That sc has been cursed 2 times with being the last tournament of a regulation already burned

[waxen dock]

just use vitamins and feathers

[warm estuary]

Aight

[stone trellis]

FYI: EV training a Pokemon and (potentially) changing its nature usually costs around 500k Pokedollars.

[trim gyro]

What attack can I use on my glimmora instead of spiky shield I'm using it in a 3v3 single battle tournament where you can't use protect moves my current moves are earth power meteor beam and sludge bomb

[stone trellis]

Energy Ball.

[trim gyro]

Alr ty

[stone trellis]

Or Mortal Spin.

It removes hazards and you poison the opponent.

[trim gyro]

Yeah I don't wanna use that imma use energy ball ty

[waxen dock]

Im super scared that if i go to worlds ill do like 4-4 or 6-3

[next stump]

What rating have you reached? The battles get really tough towards the top

[waxen dock]

But i can also do maybe top 16 or top 8 and then i would be happy

[leaden fox]

Ok, just had to check and be sure

[warm estuary]

So I’m building the team you gave me in game

And psychic noise mt is only on dlc

I don’t have dlc

What move do i put on girafarig

[next stump]

you could use psychic instead

[warm estuary]

I just realised that in game ladder is not reg f

[molten oasis]

I think psychic’s better than psychic noise

[warm estuary]

Depends

What regulation is in in game ladder

[waxen dock]

should i even go to worlds?

us is far and expensive so if i dont do top 16 whats the point?

[warm estuary]

The expirience

Bro in game ladder is double restricted

That’s crazy

[warm estuary]

So psychic it is then

[leaden fox]

If you don't have the DLC, likely Psychic

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

Psychic it is

[warm estuary]

Farigiraf
Incineroar
Urshifu
Iron hands
Miraidon
Calyrex ice

I’ve reworked the team a bottone so it works in double restricted that it’s in in game ladder

Do you think that works

[leaden fox]

@warm estuary Yeah, that should work on the online ranked battles

Especially as it can run the Trick Room team or stay out of it

[rain grotto]

Bruh can someone help trade me a rapid urshifu or kubfu I need it for my team

[warm estuary]

Ok thank you
Sorry if I’m like bothering you by asking everything lol

[gentle crag]

oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to djdanny88

[leaden fox]

@warm estuary No worries at all

[leaden fox]

Tried any of the trading channels to see if anyone has one to spare?

Since I know I don't have any spare atm; since I have Urshifu RS (from SwSh) and Kubfu in the DLC which will become a Single Strike Urshifu 😅

[next stump]

one of their worst decisions ever to split the playerbase by making the in game ladder not match tournaments

and they just refuse to go back on it after 6 months already

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I do agree with that; hopefully won't be the case during Champions, as this should be the last four months until Champions is officially the main focus

key words "should be"

[next stump]

can’t come any sooner 🙏

[leaden fox]

Usually I'm on the spot when it comes to predictions; especially since we know the current irl and online formats/regulations are until 31st March 😅

Though if that is the case, Champions & ZA Home compatibility will happen early to mid March

And then it'll be time to figure out what Megas to run 😂
Though if I had to have a shot in the dark; gonna say that the first format of Champions will be non-Legendary/Restricted mons in a Mega and Tera format; I could be wrong, but gonna aim for that 😅

Though the more details we get on Champions, the better; which hopefully we'll know during 27th Feb

[empty saddle]

is showdown down?

[stone trellis]

It seems to be down.

[empty saddle]

okay glad its not just me haha

[solid frigate]

Good thing I got 13-1 wins today in showdown

[waxen dock]

Imagine if i somehow make final at worlds

And if they would say my achivment all of them will just be like gc champion

[stone trellis]

Wish you the best, friend.

May you win Worlds in Masters when you become 17 as well.

[waxen dock]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

ido1500 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[waxen dock]

Just hope i can do at least top 16 in worlds

Finals is pretty unrealistic but not imposibble

But idk if ill even go to worlds

[stone trellis]

Focus on what's in front of you now.

[waxen dock]

The gc

If i win ill have 300 points

Which i hope will make my parents belive i shouls go to worlds

[solid frigate]

I mean I’m not trying to burst a bubble

But day 2 at worlds is also semi unrealistic

[warm estuary]

I feel the first one will be classic: no legendary no mega and no tera, even if i hope the first ruleset to be no tera no legendary but yes mega

[foggy lodge]

Showdown dies right when I'm trying to get a friend on VGC lmfao

[trim gyro]

I'm using iron hands, incineroar , Grimmsnarl , rillaboom and glimmora in a tournament I need one more pokemon all legendaries and mythical are not allowed as well as bloodmoon ursaluna iron bundle flutter mane and scream tail. You can't use attacks that only heal and attacks that only protect . Idk what pokemon I should use as the last one I was thinking about basculegion but idk

[solid frigate]

Lumi what

[warm estuary]

What is lumiflora

[trim gyro]

Mb glimmora

[warm estuary]

Ohh

[solid frigate]

That’s really different lmfao

[trim gyro]

Whatever

🥹 ✌️

Oh also the tournament is 3v3 single battle

[solid frigate]

Also what the heck is that format

bloodmoon Ursaluna is banned but not Regular Ursa?

Also Bundle is mid as hell why would they ban it

[solid frigate]

Oh battle stadium singles

[trim gyro]

Yeah idk

[solid frigate]

Wait then why incineroar and Rillaboom are even in that team if you are playing singles

[trim gyro]

Idk man I'm not the best player 🥹 ✌️

[trim gyro]

What pokemon do u use in single battle I'm so confused

[warm estuary]

Idk i never played singles

[leaden fox]

Usually when people use mons in singles, they tend to big damage dealers rather than supportive like Incineroar, etc

Though I know I prefer playing Doubles overall; bit more strategy to it for me 😅

[warm estuary]

I mean in doubles you have more choices to make and more enemies to think abt

There’s some moves that can’t even be used in singles

[leaden fox]

That much is true yes, but allows you to run supportive mons as well

[warm estuary]

Exactly

There’s some mons that will just never be viable in singles while in doubles you can run more fancy mons

[leaden fox]

Definitely so

[warm estuary]

I lowk dunno why Wanna run a veluza team

I don’t know why tho

[leaden fox]

Veluza may not work; probably had the better chance during the early stages of the game's formats

[warm estuary]

I know…

Today I’m just thinking abt veluza i dunno why

[leaden fox]

It happens xP

And even though we are having a GC atm; I am already planning my team for the next one 😂

[warm estuary]

Ohhh

What team are you cooking

[warm estuary]

Yeah ig it happens

[leaden fox]

Well, currently in choice of three different ones; all weather teams of course xD

Well, weather in the core, but has other mons to help

[warm estuary]

Yeah my favourites are rain teams they are the ones where i feel you got more options sand teams are also good while Sun teams… i dunno abt Sun teams😅

I can’t wait to use mega excadrill in sand teams in the future

[leaden fox]

Rain teams tend to have the most popularity yes; but sun teams can work too

[leaden fox]

If Mega Excadrill keeps Sand Rush as it's Mega ability, can see that being quite a menace

[warm estuary]

I mean Sun teams have torkoal as preatty popular but I don’t teally see too many other options

What mons works good in the Sun?

Ig in general just strong fire type

[warm estuary]

Yeah

[leaden fox]

Ironically enough; you can run Sunny Day on Tornadus, Thundurus and Whimsicott; with two of them getting Tailwind as well

Or if you decided to run a mix team with a possible Trick Room engine in, then Torkoal could be devastating too

Though bear in mind; if you have max speed Whimsicott against max speed Tornadus; then your Whimsicott would go first

[warm estuary]

Ohh forgot abt tornadus thundurs getting it.
I’ve always liked the hisui lilligant torkoal core

[leaden fox]

So if they suspect you click Sunny Day, they can counter with Rain Dance xP

[warm estuary]

Oh that’s bad

[warm estuary]

They don’t always run rain dance tho

[leaden fox]

Can be yes, but if you are aware of that, you can reduce your max speed on Whimsicott to 1 speed less than Tornadus, but then you'll have to watch out for possible Taunt 😅

[leaden fox]

Some do depending on their team's build

If you see Urshifu-RS or possible mons who use rain to their advantage like Swift Swim mons or Archuladon, then you'll know for sure

Though I don't tend to play Taunt on my Tornadus; since Farigiraf is a constant on the ladder 😅

[warm estuary]

Yeah farigiraf is strong but taunt may always be good to have for other mons

[leaden fox]

True yes, but a majority of the time, I don't need to worry 😅

[warm estuary]

I do think that every rain team should have pelipper tho

[warm estuary]

Yeah there are a lot of farigiraf you are right

[leaden fox]

Considering Pelipper uses Weather Ball, Tailwind, Wide Guard and Hurricane often; very much so

[warm estuary]

Yup

If you want to use rain may i reccomend using archaludon if you never used him

With pelliper anniliaphe tandemaus and other 2 mons(you choose) he is so strong

But you are the expert so you choose lol

[leaden fox]

I used Archuladon in my rain team during the first Grand Challenge; got 68th in Masters overall

[warm estuary]

Oh so you already know how strong he can be

[leaden fox]

Well, first Grand Challenge of the 2026 season anyways xD

I do yes; annoyed a lot of players using the Stalwart version too xD

[warm estuary]

Then let’s discard that options

[warm estuary]

🤣

[warm estuary]

Lol

[leaden fox]

Obviously I'll still have to consider my options for now; but got some in mind

[warm estuary]

Good good

[leaden fox]

Been doing competitive since X/Y thankfully 😅

[warm estuary]

Are you bringing this team to a tournament or like just ladder

[warm estuary]

Woah that’s a lot

[leaden fox]

Will be bringing my team to the next and likely last Grand Challenge of this season

[warm estuary]

I’ve been watching a lot of videos the last year and i decider to start vgc this year

[warm estuary]

Cool you are very strong

[warm estuary]

I mean start vgc probably only do some in game ladder

[leaden fox]

Not strong I would say, but able to understand a lot of situations at least

[warm estuary]

I consider that strong

[leaden fox]

Fair enough xP

[warm estuary]

Lol

I’m just gonna think of some weather teams bc you talked abt that I want to train my teambuilding skills

Got any tips for when you teambuild?

[leaden fox]

Best tips I can honestly give; figure out what sorts of core members you want in your team; e.g. if you plan to run a rain team, then your core members are Pelipper, Archuladon and Urshifu-RS
Then when you consider that core, you can then decide what three mons would help too; so having an extra rain setter while able to attack at times too; something like Thundurus would work as it will help with Prankster and also deal with opposing Water types, then possibly running a mon that loves the rain but beneifts you as well; such like Rillaboom, giving you a Fake Out option and +1 priority with Grassy Surge and Grassy Glide; then you'll notice you need at least one more big attacker since Thundrus and Pelipper have a sort of Tech role so able to attack and support in other words; so something that could beneift you in rain or sun is the possibility of Walking Wake; who's Hydro Steam attack is boosted in the Sun, not just Rain 🙂

A lot of text there, but gives you somewhat an understanding of how to line up your team if you consider a three mon core to begin with

But instead of just dropping the team if it doesn't run well, look at the mon with the weak link in the team, the one who hasn't really brought much to the table and adjust accordingly, whether move sets or needing to be replaced with another mon that would better suit that slot

[warm estuary]

So you choose a mon or a core and you build everything around it

[leaden fox]

Exactly yes

[warm estuary]

Yeah i feel a lot of people(and probably also me) just drops completely the team even if it’s a good core/idea

[warm estuary]

Oh thanks very much

[gentle crag]

oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to djdanny88

[leaden fox]

I had to do 300+ matches with my team before I decided it's final look 😅

But it works very well

[warm estuary]

That’s a lot but at the end it was worth it

Well thanks again for the tips that you gave me these days i might ask you more i the future but now i gotta sleep

@leaden fox byeee

[leaden fox]

No worries 🙂

[stone trellis]

Spot the difference.

[waxen dock]

Im number 13 in the gc

But the other 12 probably done at least 30 games

Some maybe even 45 games

[stone trellis]

Good luck getting to #1 again.

[trim gyro]

What pokemon are good in singles 3v3? Legendaries and mythical are banned as well as flutter mane and some other stuff

Also protect moves and moves that only heal are not allowed somehow

[warm estuary]

I remember great tusk being used a lot since it also had rapid spin that is a good move in singles

Guys is having 2 trick room Setters in one team good or only one is enough

???

[leaden fox]

Usually two does help; just depends on the build of the team

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

[trim gyro]

Is Grimmsnarl viable in singles

[leaden fox]

In singles, you want to be using mons that focus mainly on damage; since Grimmsnarl is more a supportive mon