competitive_discussion

[next stump]

like 10ish inches

[solid frigate]

Yes but not talking that much

Only talking in my private server with the VGC homies there

[stone trellis]

I was asking because I really need one or two more members for the draft league.

[solid frigate]

I’m still waiting for Manchester Server to give me the link invite lol

[waxen dock]

Smogonvgc

[short quiver]

im in that server 😀

Or maybe I’m not I probably left

[stone trellis]

If you were in there, you could've told someone from there to join the animatronic draft family.

[short quiver]

animatronic 🥀

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's a Join Us For A Bite reference.

[short quiver]

is that the bite of 87

https://tenor.com/view/burger-king-tiktok-burger-king-can't-wait-gif-15585882962427542707

[molten oasis]

I can hear the audio

[wild knot]

https://twitter.com/spcrashworks/status/1996974105401212968

spcrash (@spcrashworks)

With FNAF 2’s release, I have a very important question for Pokemon players. Can you survive five more turns in Trick Room? #pokemon #fnaf

X · Dec 5, 2025, 4:05 PM

[solid frigate]

Oh god not the sequel

[lofty tartan]

I know it was asked awhile ago, but I shack up with New England VGC crew

I did just see something about a draft league. Not sure anyone would be super interested.

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/aaJq20DqdVo?si=d_x8LL__lgqunsrs

[shadow wind]

It’s going to be like watching a LeBron documentary

[upper zealot]

id just click specs heatwave in sun and not let it go up

[solid frigate]

The humble Chi Yu Moments (The Misses)

[upper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/vgc-chi-yu-chiyu-pokemon-pokemon-vgc-gif-3695565211953008975

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Heat Wave vs. +1 252 HP / 4 SpD Indeedee-F in Sun: 118-141 (66.6 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Heat Wave vs. 244 HP / 84 SpD Eviolite Porygon2 in Sun: 118-141 (61.7 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Also I think you underestimated their bulk by a lot

[upper zealot]

alright ill just overheat them instead

[solid frigate]

it would be funny since Indeedee also likes Tera Water

Also wait you are using Whims or Torn to get your Sun right

[upper zealot]

torn

if i saw twater id dpulse and miss bleakwind

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2494552969

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2494591449

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2494592492

[lofty tartan]

@real prairie
Didn't think I'd live to see Luidicolo shoot up in Great League rankings in PoGo but here we are. Recent move rework really improved him.

[real prairie]

Haha I was spamming it about 3 weeks ago in pogo just for some objectives 🤣

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the move rework happened this week, I believe. A bunch of things sifted to the top.

Shadow Sealeo jumped to rank #7

[bold geode]

In one hour
What is probably the largest Limitless VGC tournament ever will commence

[waxen dock]

yeah

i hope i dont get matched against you round 1 again in a big online tour

[bold geode]

Fuck it we ball

[next stump]

I've only ever played VR online tournaments

when they're asking for a teamsheet, do I provide my OTS?

or CTS

[bold geode]

When you register you provide the OTS

[next stump]

so here I provide OTS?

[bold geode]

👍

OTS goes there

[next stump]

Ohh I see what it did, it made a CTS from my OTS

thank yu

you*

[bold geode]

Np

Also don't forget to hit that check in button and there's gonna be a check in button in the pairings every round you gotta hit as well

[next stump]

thanks 😄

[waxen dock]

you are new to limitless?

[next stump]

I

oops

i've plyaed less than 5 ever

[bold geode]

Limitless tournaments aren't bad imo
Hell I have even judged quite a few

But this tournament
This tournament is fucking huge

[next stump]

for me it just boils down to laziness

and preferring IRL

most weekends in previous years I could go to a local instead but this year not really 🙁

[waxen dock]

the problem is that limitless tour are very long

and most of them are after 5 for me

[bold geode]

Yeah
Well buckle down for this one LOL

[upper zealot]

<@&663761167176433665>

[shell olive]

oh no he was just talking about how he got hacked in #reports

[upper zealot]

oh whoops

thats my bad

[shell olive]

no no, thanks for pinging

[next stump]

1-0

[waxen dock]

me too

[foggy lodge]

Pog

1-0 too vs Wolfey's team

[waxen dock]

1-1

that was a very close game

[leaden comet]

can anyone teach me (and i know it sounds stupid), i have a pokemon with x ivs, x Evs, x ability, x nature, i know i can hyper train the ivs with bottle caps, but how do i put the EVs where i want so the pokemon becomes "ready for competitive"

like a pokemon i played a playthrough on for example anhialape, has random EVs, how do i put it on what the competitve players are using

[foggy lodge]

You would have to put the evs to 0, either using berries that lower evs or using a special mochi that resets them, after that you can just shape the evs as you want with vitamins + feathers or by killing Pokémon that give the evs you want

For example is you want 100 HP on annihilape you would have to KO 100 Happiny

Tho there are items that give you like 9 extra evs per Pokémon you KO

But the fastest method is just giving them vitamins and feathers + training in the wild is easier to mess up

[leaden comet]

can i buy those berries?

[foggy lodge]

I think they sell it in the auctions but they are random

So its not really easy to get them

You can also buy feathers on the auction but again, is random

[leaden comet]

so in reality i just breed the pokemon i want and go up from there?

[foggy lodge]

You can just breed the Pokémon if you want yeah

If you don't want it to be an specific one because its shiny or has a mark yeah you can just breed a new one

[leaden comet]

can i max out evs on a lvl 1 mon?

/ does it gain Evs by just being in the party getting xp

[foggy lodge]

Yeah when you KO a Pokémon the evs are shared to the whole team

I used to mess up a lot of evs becasue of that

[leaden comet]

do u know any way to make lots of money in scarlet/violet

cause i wouldnt mind breeding and actually trying for shinies and then just use the vitamins

[solid frigate]

Academy Ace Tournament or Item Printer

[leaden comet]

item printer is the dlc right?

[solid frigate]

Yea

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, the "I get walled by a single Incineroar" combo.

[molten oasis]

You 100% play shifu or lando with those 2

[stone trellis]

You're kinda forced to.

Probably Shifu since your Chien-Pao MU is already quite shit.

[molten oasis]

That’s not a problem?

Shifu’s really fckn good lol

I think hearth shifu is strong too

[stone trellis]

Never said it's a problem.

[molten oasis]

Idk kinda sounded like it, anyway

I may test this it looks fun

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2494862535

[next stump]

this is why I don't play limitless tours man

it started 6 hours ago

and we're not even starting round 5 yet

[molten oasis]

It’s the cm bolt mirror

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/142117ca2d5c8316 thoughts fellas?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah this event was pretty rough. They were not prepared for a huge turnout.

Usually it should fire pretty fast and progress through the rounds in an orderly fashion. In our events, we didn't allow rounds to progress passed a certain point to ensure that the event didn't take too dramatically long

But this is like the 3rd or 4th event that this organization has had, and the others had little or no participants.

Absolutely no reason why it should take 6 hours for 4 rounds.

That's egregious

[bold geode]

There were some issues and I think they just didn't prep enough for this sadly

[lofty tartan]

That's what I said, sort of.

[bold geode]

Like I'm not tryna be harsh but yeah it's just ridiculous

[lofty tartan]

They were not prepared for the turnout, and they clearly do not have the experience in running huge events.

It's not being harsh. It's being completely honest.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

This is their 4th event. Two events didn't go beyond 20 people

They were not prepared and had no experience running large events whatsoever.

4 rounds in six hours is a snail's pace, and not indicative of what usually happens along Limitless events.

It was scheduled awhile ago, too - they had all the time in the world to take precaution to try and ensure that the event happened at a reasonable pace. You need to respect players' time.

[next stump]

https://gyazo.com/9d176c4ee5c21a4518e27c0d7f8da183

yuya tada is pissed lol

[bold geode]

It's so ass dude

[molten oasis]

Glad I’m working today

[dense latch]

was the smogon tour even as bad as this

[bold geode]

If I'm correct, there's more money so this tournament is seeing more shit not to mention the fact that like
Everyone knew the Smogon shit was scuffed, especially when people found out all the results had to be put in manually

[dense latch]

i’m glad i skipped (i fell asleep)

[bold geode]

Meanwhile this is a tournament that honestly shouldn't have had this many issues

[bold geode]

Also to respond to this and just to clear the room
Limitless tournaments are not usually like this

I think usually like
Main thing is like if matches do go over round timer I've VERY RARELY ever seen them go over 10 minutes past and a lot of the time it's like maybe around 5-7 at most for one table that had a judge call

Anyone who is thinking about entering one of these tournaments I can say that a lot of the time it's not a bad idea
Rn you're just seeing one go really wrong

[molten oasis]

Do we know why it’s gone so haywire?

[dense latch]

maybe too many judge rulings with not enough judges or something

[bold geode]

Just not enough prep for a big event

[molten oasis]

Ic

[lofty tartan]

Not enough experience. You keep saying prep but it's awfully ambiguous here. These people went too big too early and didn't take it seriously enough. That's why you get 4 rounds in 6 hours. Like what amount of prep are they doing here that mitigates a simple round timer?

Limitless has round timers.

They had 75 minutes per round

Just going by what they set for round timers, 8 rounds is 10 hours, not counting downtime between rounds. Add the re-pair, which shouldn't have happened in the first place, and then you're just expanding that time.

This was their fourth tournament. You should always start small and work up instead of going super huge right at the start. You need people on hand to help field judge calls, and then you need to be able to pull the event off in a reasonable amount of time.

[solid frigate]

What the fuck bruh why not just 30-40 minutes

[waxen dock]

It was just on showdown so it was quicker

And there were also much less players

900 to about 600

[untold geyser]

Does anyone want to 2v2 in sv

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2495184608

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2495189562-pr05jg6p9fercvks82705tr0xnkhu6jpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2495192686

[foggy lodge]

That's nothing of time

60 minutes should be the maximum

All games have a timer of 20 minutes and factoring team preview and menus

60 minutes should be enough cuz its really an anomaly that a set goes all 3 times to timer

65 at best and that's a very generous timer

[shadow wind]

Word

[bold geode]

For a BO3 you need 60 max
Honestly going 5 over is common if it's a long set or there's judge issues and like even with egregious issues it definitely shouldn't go over 10

To go over at least 10 every round is a nightmare

Just lack of experience which led to a lack of prep and things went a lil south
Personally I don't blame anyone judging and I think this is just a case where the main people at the head of it all really just bit off more than they could chew

Honestly think it was more lack of prep but lack of experience did play a role

[dense latch]

finally

1600 had been avoiding me like the plague

[molten oasis]

awesome

[shadow wind]

1600 called and you picked up the phone

[lofty tartan]

All you need to do for prep is get the rules and ordinance in place. Have more than one person handle judge calls. Actually fire the event. There's not a lot you can do before the event to ensure that it runs smoothly. It's all within the event that you need to keep things operating on all cylinders.

Prep is vague. Experience is big. The overall sentiment in the community concerning the event is that it was mishandled. I don't disagree, having run events in both Pokémon and Magic, and running cash prize events in Limitless.

Like you and I? We didn't have to prep like at all. We just managed the tournaments closely and ensured that we respected the time of the players.

We had round timers of 50 minutes for bo3. You can do sudden death if things go over time. You can fudge the time some

Like in an online event there's just not a lot you can do beforehand. It's not like a regional with production teams and a slew of judges.

[bold geode]

Yeah
My thing with it though is like
Honestly you know that tournament was gonna be huge, yet from what I've seen and heard, there wasn't enough thought into making sure things were in order, which idk about you but if I didn't have experience I'd be trying to make sure I had all my eggs in the basket

[lofty tartan]

I just don't think they took it seriously and didn't have enough experience running large events to ensure that it didn't fall apart. Too big too fast.

It's obvious that offering 1500 dollars is gonna attract people.

That's why we kept our prizes pretty low at the onset, so we didn't collapse under the weight of players

I'm gonna be starting events back up with the New Year. I've got an idea for an invitational league and I've been collecting shiny legends in Go for prize fodder.

It's be better to start a league at the beginning of a year so people have time to compete and obtain invites

[bold geode]

That first part is basically where I'm getting at
They just bit off more than they could chew and with no experience they just didn't take it seriously enough and make sure they had what they needed and well it wasn't that great and I wish that they actually y'know
Took the time to make sure they were prepared to at least really attempt to tackle that large of a crowd

Hopefully that org learns from it tho

Btw just gonna share

Since we're on the subject
This just won
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6913ca9bb11d3f5498bbc1ef/player/magicaura/teamlist

This just won the largest VGC Limitless tournament in history
And the concept is pretty solid

And JoeUX9 already has a video out
Damn that mfer is quick

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[dense latch]

looks similar to what won melbourne in reg f 1.0 https://pokepast.es/3a1bfd4ff35b2b4e

just hands over bolt and a few move changes

[chrome knot]

@bold geode i lost snakes and ladders do i gotta retire

[bold geode]

It's over, you're cooked
Washed even

[chrome knot]

yeahhh

[wild knot]

https://vxtwitter.com/katatatat__/status/1997793513665389042

Kat 🏳️‍🌈 (@katatatat__)

A story in 4 parts

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 7, 2025, 10:21 PM

[solid frigate]

I just saw that lmfao

Yeah no I finally know the context about the snakes and ladders

[chrome knot]

cooked….

[solid frigate]

Honestly I would not be mad if you play Solitaire when Bolt 1v1 is happening

[chrome knot]

[dense latch]

miles better than watching moves fail for 10 minutes straight

[solid frigate]

[chrome knot]

no it

games 2 & 3 took an additional 30 minutes ngl

bc game 2 i had to recover a game from the depths of hell

[solid frigate]

ATP your match is basically a movie

[chrome knot]

yeah kinda

[wild knot]

Ooo so it was you!

Haha

[bold geode]

Honestly I didn't even know the context and still was like "yup cooked"

My dumbass thought you just lost board game night or some shit

[devout summit]

hi im new to the pvp side of pokemon, is there a really good place to look up teams and the best pokemon to train and stuff to avoid ect

[graceful flare]

I come back to VGC now. I assume it is a double restriction format? What do people run with CSR?

[lofty tartan]

VGC is not double restricted. It's Regulation F. Double Restricted is in-game cart ladder only.

[graceful flare]

I don't understand what you mean, I will play the SV double battles ranked but I can't check any info as I need to get Nintendo Switch Online first

[upper zealot]

bleakwind just cant stop missing

https://tenor.com/view/che-cheromani-boy-slow-down-che-boy-slow-down-underground-gif-15230475064059008961

[dense latch]

if you're only going to play in the ranked double battles ladder then yes, the current battle stadium ruleset is Regulation J which allows two restricteds (also includes mythicals)

Regulation F is the ruleset in-person events use, which isn't double restricted, but don't worry about Reg F if you're not planning to attend IRL events

[graceful flare]

I don't want to do IRL events but I wish I could, so regulation J. What do people use on CSR teams?

[solid frigate]

Hey Mika

[dense latch]

zamazenta and koraidon are its two best restricted partners

you'll see csr zama teams use chien pao, raging bolt, incin, rilla, ogerpon cornerstone/hearthflame, sometimes amoonguss

https://pokepast.es/9991bf183cd2abe1 then csr koraidon may end up like this

that team reached worlds finals

[graceful flare]

Does Assault Vest work with Koraidon? Would that help him survive Fairy moves as he is 4x weak? Also do you need to bring both your restricteds always or not take one if the match up is not good? Sorry if I asking too many questions.

[solid frigate]

It does not.

Usually just Tera Fire is enough against Fairies

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダービルド-sento-kiryu-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-gif-7510236496758092

[solid frigate]

Flame charge alone is enough and you really want Clear Amulet or Life Orb for Consistent or Extra damage

[graceful flare]

Is this team good? Or swap anything? I have most of the best Pokemon from the older regulations properly trained

[solid frigate]

Torn is Unnecessary in this comp

What Urshifu is this

Flutter => Bolt

And what moveset do you have

[graceful flare]

I use Focus Sash Urshifu and Rapid Strike

Iron Head Surging Strike CC and detect

[solid frigate]

Why Iron Head.

[graceful flare]

To hit Fairy?

[solid frigate]

Also Shifu is not really good in Koraidon Teams

[solid frigate]

Dude the only fairy that is relevant is Flutter and it dies to Surging Strikes anyway

[graceful flare]

What will I replace my team with?

[solid frigate]

Just use James Evans’s Team it’s like Really fricking good

[graceful flare]

?

What is it

[solid frigate]

This

[graceful flare]

Flutter Mane instead of Lando?

And keep Tornadus?

Or switch Flutter Mane Tornadus with Ogerpon?

[solid frigate]

Usually I would like that but in this team with Clear Amulet Koraidon you can keep bolt and run Incin Bonnet and Lando

[graceful flare]

I want to use Ogerpon instead of Tornadus and Urshifu is that good?

And also use Flutter Mane

[solid frigate]

Then that would need you to make a different team

Like it’s no more CSR Koraidon it’s more like Lunala Koraidon

Cuz Tornshifu is pointless in Koraidon Comps

[graceful flare]

But Ogerpon is good? Fire mask

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon is fine

@real prairie NO FUCKING WAY

[graceful flare]

What will Flutter Mane hold and CSR?

[solid frigate]

Focus sash for one of them and If CSR got Sash then flutter can use Booster energy

[graceful flare]

But Koraidon sets sun?

[solid frigate]

Spell tag CSR+ Sash Flutter

[graceful flare]

Is Life Orb good for Flutter?

I have lots of Defence EV on Flutter

[solid frigate]

Nope

It’s not

[graceful flare]

What is good then?

Apart from specs

[solid frigate]

Just use Focus Sash.

It’s that Simple

[real prairie]

Lorb csr has had some good run outs

[solid frigate]

Jack that image I sent is probably the only time I am proud of Hong Kong lol

Now let’s see if they can beat Australia

[waxen dock]

victory road world cup victory road british colony cup

Cuz uk hk and australia were all part of british empire

[chrome knot]

yus kat is my gf, shes down to visit & we’re practicing for toronto at a local however cm bolt mirror did cm bolt things

[solid frigate]

Yeah true

Let’s see which one won

If Hong Kong Won again then I’m actually shocked

[waxen dock]

i think the problems were:

1. too much time for rounds

2. a lot of the players just joined cuz of the 1500$ without even having experience with vgc or limitless or even both,which probably caused a lot of delay in matches

3. some of the judges there did problem round 2 and they had to repair which caused a lot of confusion

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2495989011

[foggy lodge]

Pokemon made an official type chart

@dense latch el fola por fin se va a aprender la tabla😭😭😭

[dense latch]

imposible

[chrome knot]

hello raging bolt

[upper zealot]

vgc ladder tour signups are up if anyone wants to join https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-ladder-tournament-signups.3774917/

[dense latch]

sick
low ladder is gonna get so sweaty for the first few days lol

[upper zealot]

rip 💔 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2496173982

i got way too predictable w all the double protects near the end

[next stump]

that was a really well played game from you though

it’s crazy to think that would have been a super clean easy win had either glimmora KO’d bolt when it got to 2% or you doubled with amoonguss into that slot instead of rilla

do you have taunt on tornadus? their may have been an end game where you can guarantee sucker punch if so

[upper zealot]

nope i didnt

bleakwind tw protect sunny day

[next stump]

RIP, still super solid game against him

[foggy lodge]

Your lead lasted 11 turns LMAO

[stone trellis]

Perfect for me.

[dense latch]

i hope i do alright this time around my ass got cooked on ladder last year

[knotty briar]

Since reg I is coming back next month, how does this team look?
Any improvements I could make?

[solid frigate]

trust me man

I tried Miraidon Kyogre for a full Regulation I 1

I lose too many braincells because of that

It’s not a good combo to do well

If there’s anything to change this

Lando>Archaludon

Farigiraf or Grimmsnarl over Iron Valiant

[knotty briar]

Oof if Miraidon Kyogre is as rough as you say, I'll probably go back to using either my Koraidon CSR team or my CIR Necrozma team

[knotty briar]

Thanks for the input

[gentle crag]

bman54319 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

That’s even worse

I mean CIR necro

[knotty briar]

Dawn wings was actually really fun to use

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/桐生戦兎-仮面ライダービルド-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-sento-kiryu-gif-11157174352445916018

[solid frigate]

Also why is Urshifu not max speed

Max speed adamant

[knotty briar]

I wanted a little more bulk, but tbh I'm scrapping that team

[solid frigate]

In reg I you want Urshifu to just Beat CSR

Rain Dance+ Surging Strikes not only saves Tera but also guaranteed kill CSR that way

[knotty briar]

Eh I'm probably just gonna stick with Koraidon CSR

I'm comfortable using it and it's effective

I used it during one of the Reg I months and it did great

Also the reason I used dawn wings instead of Lunala was because I have a min speed 1 IV attack Necrozma that can fulfill a similar role

[stone trellis]

You can also try using CIR-Miraidon for a change.

[molten oasis]

Or Lunala

[stone trellis]

CIR-Lunala is arguably quite shitty.

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Lunala you CIR shill

[stone trellis]

MiraiNala's the weird middle child of the big three restricted duos.

But yeah, obviously MiraiNala is top tier.

There's a reason half of Miraidon's major wins are with that duo.

[stone trellis]

I'm not a shill, I'm an enjoyer.

[molten oasis]

No I meant Lunala Mirai

[stone trellis]

I know, Torrent told me so.

[bold geode]

Ew Reg I in the big almost '26 with Reg F being a thing

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

still 2025

if they were real wed end where we started, series 1

[foggy lodge]

They should make us play a format of only gen 1 Pokémon

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-violent-meme-ogerpon-funny-gif-1579826530560702924

[dense latch]

kanto ninetales + zard would burn everything to the ground i feel like

sounds fun

[real prairie]

The new mega list is interesting

||Mega Garchomp Z|| || Mega Lucario Z|| and ||Mega Absol Z|| with 151 base speed 🤯

[solid frigate]

CSR:Why I can hear the Revolutionaries

[real prairie]

||mega garchomp z|| being a special attacker is strange though

[molten oasis]

It is but, I got my eyes elsewhere

[waxen dock]

but garchomp z is weak

those 130 attack and 140 spa arent that good compared to other megas

and it also loses ground stab

so it cant like use earth power against incin

[real prairie]

Just realised it loses a type 🤣

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Garchomp Earth Power vs. 228 HP / 76+ SpD Incineroar: 100-118 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Still 2HKO it’s aight I guess

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Mega Launcher Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 234-276 (117 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO

@real prairie I’m flipping Manifesting over Mega Launcher Lucario Z lol

[real prairie]

It's Dex entry says it uses aura to increase its defences so that could be interesting

Built in Eviolite or AV or something

[solid frigate]

I guess but Mega Z Lucario’s Bulk is kinda there

70 on all Bulk

[polar canyon]

Heatran???

That's gonna be crazy

[solid frigate]

(Means rejoice)

[polar canyon]

That's the most unexpected thing for me

Never saw it coming

I either skipped over heatran on that datamined list or the list was wrong

[solid frigate]

It was datamined

[polar canyon]

Then I just skipped over it

It's a surprise I welcome then

Mega tatsugiri existing is devastating news I was hoping the datamines were fake

[solid frigate]

Mega Crabominable broke all my hopes on Mega Drampa being good

[polar canyon]

Now fighting dozogiri can also come with the added worry of having to ko both at the same time if mega tatsu is good

[polar canyon]

What are its stats?

[solid frigate]

It’s so hard to remove as well while being slower

[polar canyon]

Also mega scovillain looks fire

Unfortunately still mid stats but it's gotta be one of my favorite mega designs now

Instant top 3 for me

I hope it gets a crazy ability that saves it or something

Give mega scovillain orichalcum pulse

[real prairie]

Lead donzogiri, mega evolve after Dozo goes down

Painful shit

[real prairie]

One of those annoying mixed attackers

[polar canyon]

Imagine if it gets an useful ability too

[polar canyon]

I don't like that they doubled down on what makes it mid with the mega stats but it is what it is

[real prairie]

Keeping commander as a mega is a bit meh

[polar canyon]

I don't see what ability mega tatsugiri could have based on design

Maybe it gets super commander and boosts dozo to +3

[real prairie]

Hope not

OMFG

[polar canyon]

Mega magearna with suicide ape sounds mad silly now

Not a tr mon anymore since it's fast but it looks like it can do some mad damage

Just 170 spatk +2 stab dazzling gleam

I fear for when champions mythical restricted formats come out

[stone trellis]

Hopefully its matchup into CIR-Miraidon won't be a complete asswipe now.

Who am I kidding, all mythical teams seem to just shit themselves when faced with a non-mythical team.

[foggy lodge]

||Garchomp Z actually makes me genuinely mad||

||they made it a sweeper with 151 speed mixed attacker, took 10 points from its bulk and everything pointing it to be a glass cannon||

||and then taking its ground stab and making it less offensive||

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2497113881

[rustic mountain]

r mythicals going to be something they allow in actual comp formats tho? cuz as of now they have only temporarily been available for an end of a games life format

interesting to see some of em get megas but i wonder if it even matters

especially if they do wind up allowing them for official tours but classify them next to restricteds

cuz that gets iffy

[foggy lodge]

I hope they allow them with champions

Considering that champion in theory lets you "rent" or buy any Pokémon you want so accesibility to mythicals in that game can be less of a problem

But its also probable that they want to keep mythicals as a exclusive thing and not even allow you to rent them in champions xd

[molten oasis]

I don’t wanna deal with magearna

[stone trellis]

Cornerpon + Sash Chi-Yu.

It's not like the Mega can Tera out of the massive Fire weakness either.

[shadow wind]

Still a fairy/steel mon though

[solid frigate]

And a Trick Room Menace other than Crabominable (FUCK YOUR MEGA WHY DID YOU MAKE MY OLD CLOUD DRAGON BAD)

[stone trellis]

I just checked its Speed and oh boy, this is way funnier now.

You guys are tweaking over ||Mega clanker|| being base 95?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

Sableye version 4.29.1

[shadow wind]

I mean Lunala has 97

[foggy lodge]

This thing speed ties Urshifu

I saw this thing outspeed an Urshifu on stream one time

Its a menace idk

[shadow wind]

But as the saying goes, easier to underspeed an Urshifu than to outspeed a Calyrex Shadow

Or something like that

[timber schooner]

They made mega bax trash

[foggy lodge]

Me when I lie

[timber schooner]

No lie

Mega garchomp z is also still worse than the regular

[foggy lodge]

How is it bad tho?

It got 30 points in atk and a boost in defenses

[timber schooner]

Worse typing and there is fairy everywhere

[foggy lodge]

Not getting more speed is kind of a let down but still isn't that bad because of glaive rush

[foggy lodge]

???

[timber schooner]

I was talking about garchomp z

[foggy lodge]

Then why was the first message about Bax

[timber schooner]

Bax is to slow to be that good

Why would you waist your mega evolution on it when the regular can do the same thing

Also gar z is awful

[foggy lodge]

This can be applied to a lot of megas in a vacuum + we don't even know its ability

[timber schooner]

Huge power

[foggy lodge]

The speed problem is probably just a way to keep it from being super broken

[timber schooner]

I know

[foggy lodge]

And as I said

[timber schooner]

What do you think of gar z because I think its a downgrade

[foggy lodge]

The speed problem isn't even that bad because it can use glaive rush after other Pokémon to not suffer the downside of it

[foggy lodge]

Its bad its somehow worse than regular mega chomp

[timber schooner]

Its to fast

That's to much speed and a big waist of stat points

They should have done 130 speed then rest into attack

And kept the ground typing

[molten oasis]

They should have committed harder on special attack imo

And not made it pure dragon

[timber schooner]

Its just dog water now

Would people use the original mega if it had sand rush as a ability

[molten oasis]

Maybe

[timber schooner]

Also we're is mega Flygon

[bold geode]

Another miss
The speed is aight but all those Spatk points and losing Ground typing is rough

[rustic mountain]

pure dragon

they really said nah we good on making new megas viable

[rustic mountain]

its terrible haha

https://tenor.com/view/amen-gif-23345354
people trying to explain to me that its all strategy and using base chomp till the perfect moment for z mega

[bold geode]

Lol

Honestly is Garchomp Z worse than the old Mega?

Now Mega || Heatran ||
It's so fucking funny, they literally can only balance that fucker out with ability

[rustic mountain]

idk but even if it is, is that really saying much? mega chomp sucks

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

i havent even seen mega heatrans stats

its funny tho design wise

its basically this ^

[bold geode]

|| Heatran
91.120.106.175.141.67 (BST: 700) ||

[rustic mountain]

wow

[bold geode]

Basically got like 30 Atk
10 points slower
And got a good amount of Spdef and some Spatk

[rustic mountain]

im scared to think whatd it b if they didnt waste 30 points into atk

[bold geode]

But the funny thing is like
It getting slower I feel like isn't even bad for it cuz the speed stat is still ok for TW and it's better in TR now

[rustic mountain]

right

[bold geode]

And that's the funniest part
Technically it's not even a waste

[rustic mountain]

eh

[bold geode]

You can use Heavy Slam more efficiently

[rustic mountain]

keeps same typing?

[bold geode]

I believe so

[rustic mountain]

yea so thats really its biggest weakness otherwise it seems great

[bold geode]

That's the thing like stat wise the "nerfs" aren't really even nerfs

If anything like
Literally a Pokemon they couldn't add 100 stat points to without breaking something

[rustic mountain]

yea i wouldnt even call it nerfing its just reallocating stats w/o making it too much

[bold geode]

Yeah like legitimately the only two things that even keep that thing from running rampant other than the typing is like

1. Is the ability not horrendous
2. How much do you actually want another item

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

And bro
Did you see the crab?

[rustic mountain]

like the design?

[bold geode]

Nah
Snow crab's stats

[rustic mountain]

its disgusting design wise

havent seen the stats

[bold geode]

It's disgusting stat wise too

[rustic mountain]

like good disgusting tho? cuz im saying bad disgusting

[bold geode]

||
Crabominable
97.157.122.62.107.33 (BST: 578)
||
See for yourself

[rustic mountain]

jfc

min maxed like a mfer

[bold geode]

Keep in mind that's basically a Hard TR Mon that before mega evolving is immune to Intimidate

[rustic mountain]

only issue is typing wise its dogshit

defensively that is

[bold geode]

Yeah but when you're just tryna sweep in 4-5 turns like

[rustic mountain]

do u have the sustain tho

if its like 1 for 1 trades that sucks

ur literally weak to like everything

[bold geode]

Yeah but honestly I feel like for what it's worth, at least Hard TR has a mega and like I feel when a lot of game plans for Hard TR is just stalling out the turns, being able to trade something very easily can probably make a difference

[rustic mountain]

yea

i mean off rip the stats look insane, its just its fucking crabominable

[bold geode]

Cuz technically you can do the 1 for 1 trade there and then swap in like Tork or some shit

I mean Hard TR's other option rn is like Drampa and well
That's it

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

That or like Camerupt so you can basically waste your mechanic on a Wish.com Torkoal

[rustic mountain]

i jus wonder what mons they allow for the first format

[rustic mountain]

p much haha

[bold geode]

I think it's safe to assume that all the megas that are in ZA + DLC rn barring maybe some of the legendary ones are allowed

[rustic mountain]

nah but like

the enablers, everything else around those

u mentioned torkoal, like do we even get it first format

is it just regional dex za

is it za dex + dlc

[waxen dock]

Good tr mon

[bold geode]

Low-key rn I'm wondering if Dondozo really is allowed off rip cuz God that's gonna be disgusting

[rustic mountain]

u thinkin like, dozo into mega tatsu stuff?

cuz if players time it right, koing or sporing tatsu right after dozo dies is totally viable and would very much disrupt that

or even damaging it a decent amount

[bold geode]

Yeah but you'd have to time it and hope an attack KOs Dozo every time

Low-key one thing slowing that down is like
Mega Gengar

For Dozogiri, Mega Gengar is a fucking nightmare

[stone trellis]

Perish Song?

Oh yeah, DozoGiri cannot switch.

[rustic mountain]

yo mega tatsu mega glimmora flex in team preview, which one has the stone

idt its outright bad i just mean idk if itll be as consistent as ppl originally might think

[bold geode]

Greatest BO1 cheese ever

Actually y'know what's really the cheese
Staraptor

You can think it's a mega and then they just rip fucking Final Gambit into you

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

i can already see it

mega staraptor is cool

[bold geode]

But yeah like
Dozogiri can still play the T1 mindgame where like "oh hey I led Dozo + this other thing, will I switch in Tatsu, switch out Dozo or do option C" cuz Mega Gengar doesn't have Shadow Tag up yet but like
Mid game Shadow Tag to deny swapping after mega evolving if they wanna activate Commander, Will O Wisp, Taunt, Haze, special attacker that hits hard I mean c'mon dude
Absolute nightmare

[rustic mountain]

haaha yea ive thought similar scenarios out but idk i just gta wait to see it in action first

we know dozo eventually will be in champions just a matter of when

lowkey would like it if they let tatsu shine on its own first potentially tho

mega tatsu is peak

[foggy lodge]

stop stealing my ideas

i'm gonna start patenting them

btw 0 Atk Heatran Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Xerneas: 110-132 (54.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[shadow wind]

Is Xerneas heavy enough that iron head does more than slam?

[foggy lodge]

That's the funny part

Base Heatran is not heavy enough

Its heavy slam is 60 BP into Xerneas

[solid frigate]

Bro is being Nintendo rn

[shadow wind]

Ok that’s what I thought but I wasn’t 100% sure

Petition to make Groudon heavier

We have the technology to have a 1000 kg Pokémon man

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

Sableye version 4.29.1

Pokémon No. 485: Heatran

Types

Fire/Steel

Abilities

Flash Fire, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/90/106/130/106/77

Total

600

Sableye version 4.29.1

[foggy lodge]

We unironically need to see Mega Heatran's weight

Cuz that can mean heavy slam can be more optimal

[dense latch]

from an image i saw it was 570kg

[foggy lodge]

Maybe that would be like 100 BP

Its only 60 fuck

[bold geode]

How bout you patent Deez Nuts

[solid frigate]

isn''t that a good thing

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/lexiconvgc/status/1999157730972668156?s=46

Alex Underhill (@LexiconVGC)

need suggestions for a 6th

X · Dec 11, 2025, 4:42 PM

[stone trellis]

Smeargle.

Or Bronzong.

[lofty tartan]

It's 570kg, 1256.6lbs

I see now Eriksp answered. Xerneas is too heavy. 😐

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Xerneas is heavier than I expected

I don't even know if 120 BP heavy slam would KO Xerneas lol

4 Atk Heatran Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 318-374 (80.9 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nah it doesn't nvm

252+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 196 HP / 36 SpD Flutter Mane: 140-168 (90.3 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Flutter is so damn bulky on the special side damn

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

[foggy lodge]

That's still like

A very bulky Flutter

But the fact that its a roll its crazy

[molten oasis]

Flutter be like that

And flutter has 55 hp lol

[dense latch]

how did they fuck up a garchomp mega twice

hope it gets a good ability to make up for the lack of damage

[bold geode]

Even then idk

It would probably have to be really good

[foggy lodge]

Base chomp sells a lot

[dense latch]

im just hyped for heatran

[foggy lodge]

Maybe base Garchomp is just too goated and nothing can improve it

[next stump]

pokedata is going to no longer show information about locals

if anyone was relying on that recently

[foggy lodge]

Genuine question

They did that?

[dense latch]

i just saw that on twitter, so fucking dumb that they blocked it
event locator sucks ass

[next stump]

yeah, there’s a tab on their website that you can use to find locals

[molten oasis]

Base garchomp>

I can hold a choice band instead of being forced to be pure dragon or be slower

[foggy lodge]

Nah dude chomp z is good you just have to delay your mega until 3 of your opponent's pokemon died

[bold geode]

I'm sorry but if you gotta do that much

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/baxcalibur-pokémon-scarlet-and-violet-elite-four-glaive-rush-gif-10954596155693066854

Literally fucking bax be like

[dense latch]

i still don't know how to feel about bax

[molten oasis]

I think it’s gonna be good

Just, lowkey let it keep thermal exchange

Then put it in snow

[lofty tartan]

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Baxcalibur: 318-374 (85.7 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

That's Bax with Mega stats, no bulk investment

Oh but it's level 100 lmao

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Baxcalibur: 168-198 (88.4 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Still a good roll

[foggy lodge]

You can definetly tweak it a bit to survive

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I just wanted to look at it raw

[molten oasis]

Sorry but DAYUM

[lofty tartan]

Obv doesn't survive Specs but

[rustic mountain]

it wont matter

u gna run earth power sp atk chomp and then lose stab wen mega evolving?

most of these new megas are gonna be certified asscheeks for vgc

[foggy lodge]

I think the Z megas are just not really that good

Too frail and can't run sash

And like it isn't too bad in a vacuum but also they basically work like restricteds and your restricted being too frail just doesn't feel very good

Idk they can be good depending on ability or new moves or just I'm proved wrong cuz thing like Mega Gengar are also crazy

But rn eh they don't sell me a lot

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/ninopokebros/status/1998927922862895398?s=20

Nino (@ninopokebros)

State of VGC right now

X · Dec 11, 2025, 1:28 AM

[rustic mountain]

not even just the z megas, most of the new megas base game included just dont seem good

maybe some ability will change it for some but i kinda doubt it, quite a few are beyond saving

[foggy lodge]

I made a box with megas that I found had interesting tools to be used

All this without abilities or the real movesets and not even a meta game

And I think a lot of them have atleast something interesting to offer but nothing more

Some I can say that are good are Mega Starmie

Cuz its the only one we know its ability

[dense latch]

abilities are what really are gonna decide the megas' viability i feel like
if you look at the best megas from 2016-19 most if not all of them had very strong abilities that actively made them way more viable

[foggy lodge]

Yeah abilities also just add another layer of power creep

Cuz you can think a mon is good but if another one has a better ability then like eh

[dense latch]

there's gonna be a ton of shit megas like in gen 6 for sure

like they'd have to perform miracles on chimecho and others

[foggy lodge]

Also I made a whole box and added a lot of mons but in reality the actual pool of viable megas will be very small cuz

They are like restricteds you effectively can only use one per battle

That means most teams will use 1 only, some ocasionally 2

[dense latch]

yea it's essentially the same opportunity cost principle

[foggy lodge]

They did the best they could with Chimecho dude

A mega can only take you so far

Its like that one smiling friends scene

[dense latch]

they were working with nothing lmao

[foggy lodge]

Basically

[dense latch]

mega chimecho needs a mega

[foggy lodge]

They gave it a whole new type and one of the best of the game

A well distributed stat boost that didn't waste any points in atk

And now they have to give it an ability

And I still don't think it will be good lmfao

Because the problem for me is also that

[dense latch]

if it lives for 5 turns you win that's the ability

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey they peaked with the psychic type megas at Mega Alakazam and Mega Delphox

[dense latch]

i wonder how much of a buff eforce on alakazam will be

[foggy lodge]

And like the biggest damage output for Chimecho would be like expanding force

And one idea I think that could save it is like a steel type liquid voice

To have steel type hyper voice

Or boomburst

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 65: Alakazam-Mega

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Trace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/50/65/175/105/150

Total

600

Base Species

Alakazam

Sableye version 4.29.1

[foggy lodge]

I forgot this thing speed tied CSR LMAO

Ehh its technically the best expanding force abuser

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Chimecho Boomburst vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane: 152-182 (106.2 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

But Mega Delphox I think is better cuz heat wave

[dense latch]

i made chimecho a steel type on the calc and changed the move's type

[foggy lodge]

Mega Delphox will be the stample of sunroom now

[dense latch]

yea i was about to say pure psychic is still kinda ass

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it would be a cool ability

[dense latch]

and the fire coverage delphox gets is neat

[foggy lodge]

If they gave it a x1.2 boost💔

Lowkey double mega hard TR

Mega Delphox for fast psyspam mode + a hard TR mega

Guess what gameplan am I going for

[dense latch]

damn i just realized how frail mega absol z is

i kinda ignored it at first my mind just went to the 151 speed thing

[foggy lodge]

I did too

I only saw 151 speed + dark/ghost and went nah this thing is broken

Now is like ehhhhh

[dense latch]

i really like golisopod's stat spread

the type change is nice too but idk if they'll keep emergency exit

[foggy lodge]

Again ability reliant I don't think it being frail is necessarily terrible cuz things like mega gengar are crazy and even mega alakazam saw some play as niche in the past

But idk

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 94: Gengar-Mega

Types

Ghost/Poison

Abilities

Shadow Tag

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/65/80/170/95/130

Total

600

Base Species

Gengar

Sableye version 4.29.1

[foggy lodge]

Eh maybe comparing with the past isn't very fair cuz they just didn't deal with the power creep of nowadays

[foggy lodge]

Its also like a TR mega technically

I like it but it competes with Mega Scizor so idk

Same problem I find with mega dnite it has to compete with mega salamence

And the same as froslass and chandy cuz they have to compete with mega gengar

https://pokepast.es/3027a67f55e8c223 this is the box I made btw

[dense latch]

ew first slot protect

i know it's optimal but it looks so wrong

[dense latch]

at least they're not like mega clefable

who competes with regular togekiss 😭

[foggy lodge]

Dude I was so hyped with Mega Clef at first

The first copium was "okay but if Togekiss is not in the game its lowkey good"

And then "but it has follow me so it can be like Ogerpon"

I think it really needs aerilate to work

So it can have spread flying type damage

I tried to see it as an Ogerpon in the way that like

It can do support moves like follow me and others but also output damage

But if you are using your mega to work as a punching bag lowkey what are you doing

Calm mind + aerilate is the way I can see it work

[dense latch]

yea lol

[foggy lodge]

also please add ferrothorn and alolan marowak to champions

[rustic mountain]

cuz ppl wanna jump immediately to it outspeeds csr but like wat else can it do

i think itll b ok but like csr counter? nah

[dense latch]

i'm ppl

but yea that bulk is horrid

[rustic mountain]

and its not like its something u can offset w/ sash

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 15: Beedrill

Types

Bug/Poison

Abilities

Swarm, Sniper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/90/40/45/80/75

Total

395

Other Formes

Beedrill-Mega

Sableye version 4.29.1

Pokémon No. 15: Beedrill-Mega

Types

Bug/Poison

Abilities

Adaptability

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/150/40/15/80/145

Total

495

Base Species

Beedrill

Sableye version 4.29.1

[dense latch]

potential mon my goat

[foggy lodge]

Min maxed af too

15 spa is crazy lmao it looks like a pokemon i would create as a 9 yo

Is Mega Scolipede somehow the better one in the battle of these two

[dense latch]

i got a random shiny weedle while finishing the dlc so ig im gonna use beedrill now

[foggy lodge]

Mega Scolipede got mortal spin btw I think that's pretty big

[dense latch]

wait fr?

[foggy lodge]

You'll have to become the guy who tried to make Mega Beedrill work at all costs

[dense latch]

glimm had a signature move for half a gen lmao

[foggy lodge]

Yeah atleast in LZA, I don't if those will transfer to champs

I hope they do cuz some are very interesting

Like fake out Falinks

Some other are funny like dazzling gleam Amoonguss lmao

And Mega Meganium somehow still hasn't received moonblast

Wigglytuff did get moonblast so its like half a decent mon

[dense latch]

i think it got first impression too

no idea what that's gonna help with but sure

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

https://youtu.be/D_iwOxneqSg?si=L1NjLqu3ZSh6OPUC

[dense latch]

how do you even ev fast sitrus incin

idk if i want to make it jolly and like 156 evs or neutral and like 220

[foggy lodge]

Can it live a mystic water surging with sitrus?

[dense latch]

it needs near max def max hp to live it

i dont think it tanks non mystic

156+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 204-252 (100.9 - 124.7%) -- 0.02% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 222-270 (109.9 - 133.6%) -- 17.82% chance to OHKO

this is alright

and this spread still tanks 252 tera fairy specs timid flutter moonblast

[waxen dock]

With beads of ruin?

[dense latch]

tanks either tera fairy or beads of ruin

not both at the same time though

252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Incineroar: 172-204 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO i'd need this lol

[rustic mountain]

i have like 7

[dense latch]

im gonna get the shiny charm now that you dont need the 1000 battles

[rustic mountain]

its broken

[dense latch]

there's so many cool shinies

i love shiny mega absol z

[rustic mountain]

yea ive gotten a few in hyperspace already

coolest has been combusken so far

i did do the 1000 battles tho

[dense latch]

i almost did but i didn't have any time in november

i was too lazy this month and it paid off lmao

[rustic mountain]

i just chipped away like 100ish a day

eventually got there

also idk if anyones finished dlc yet but ||mega darkrai is hideous||

[dense latch]

i'm so confused at what they were trying to do

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

||when you first see it and it's like an eye it's kinda creepy and i like it but that's not really darkrai looking||

[rustic mountain]

the eye is cool

wat it becomes?

[dense latch]

i wish they used this color scheme for its regular shiny

[molten oasis]

That’s neat

There’s a difference at least that’s more noticeable

[dense latch]

i will say i really enjoyed the last part with the ||az encounter and the area itself, the build up was surprisingly eerie for a pokemon game||

and i was too busy spamming nihil light into it to care about the design

[rustic mountain]

same

||az moment had me emotional||

[dense latch]

||the idea of taunie coming back to the hotel to find az and all broke my heart a little||

[rustic mountain]

yea

i like how he just didnt acknowledge it

[dense latch]

"my fault, anyways great to see you again"

[rustic mountain]

he was just like man ||im so happy i chose yall ur such a good leader for team mz||

im like holy misdirect hahahah

[molten oasis]

How short is dlc?

[rustic mountain]

its not that short

[dense latch]

it's like 10-12 hours maybe?

for the main story at least

[rustic mountain]

unless ur really rushing it

yea and theres stuff after too

[dense latch]

there's a lot of post dlc stuff

[molten oasis]

Oh ok, that’s good

Can’t get it right now cuz I’m broke

[dense latch]

the point grinds got a bit repetitive but not knowing what the megas would look like made it much easier for me bc they felt like a reward

[stone trellis]

I might buy Z-A after I get RTDL Deluxe.

Also, I finally found out how to hook my Switch up to my PC.

[waxen dock]

Capture card

[stone trellis]

I got a shitty one from Temu, I'd much rather just link it directly to my monitor.

And what about the words "I found out how" implies that I want advice?

[foggy lodge]

I think its like a thing of mega feraligatr

At a smaller scale the eye form looks really cool but when it has its head out eh

[lofty tartan]

My roommate connects his switch right into his monitor. If it has an HDMI in then it's fine

I route my switch into a capture card for recording but if just playing I can use it as a pass through

[graceful flare]

Do I change the moveset? I don't really use Sword Dance

[solid frigate]

the flame charge in question

[bold geode]

Flame Charge over SD

[mighty stump]

[bold geode]

What's good bro

[mighty stump]

just playing more PLZA

[bold geode]

Fair

Damn I fucked that up

[chrome knot]

@bold geode hits you with an expanding force from a PERSON SIZED indeedee

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

I'M NOT A DARK TYPE NOOOOO

[solid frigate]

Get your dog and use Wide Guard then

[bold geode]

He's not allowed this format

[solid frigate]

or just have an AV bolt

[thorny widget]

Get your monkey and become grassy then

[stone trellis]

Apparently my PC's monitor doesn't have a second HDMI port because it's old as shit.

So I might end up not buying RTDL Deluxe and a Pro Controller and instead get a new monitor for Christmas.

[molten oasis]

The legend has returned, briefly

[stone trellis]

Who the hell is that?

[lofty tartan]

Just unplug your PC and connect the Switch to the monitor then.

[stone trellis]

The PC isn't strictly mine.

The whole family uses it.

And I do not want to hear it from my parents.

[mighty stump]

I am ever watching and ever present

My hunt for shalpha Chespin continues

[polar canyon]

Omnipresent god tofu

[molten oasis]

Very nice, have you got any other shalpha’s?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2499109589-h41lmr3p93e8sdavlckww6ffkq2yuuppw

feel so tired but it finally paid off

[stone trellis]

Now that Reg I ladder is back on Showdown, I'm ready to use PTFK again and improve my dogshit GXE.

[solid frigate]

It will use a different section format since it’s 2026 not 2025

Honestly would be easier than edit your GXE

[stone trellis]

I know, but 53% GXE in my supposed strongest format is unacceptable.

(It's technically Reg J, but those two are the exact same format minus the mythical MUs that I farm anyway)

[bold geode]

Y'all care about numbers?

Also is Reg I hitting the ranked ladder this month or next?

[dense latch]

next

[stone trellis]

January 5th.

[bold geode]

I see

[stone trellis]

Yeah, no shit.

That's my whole shtick, I'm all about the numbers.

[bold geode]

I didn't remember when Reg I was coming back, but then again like
With how similar the formats are, it don't matter

[bold geode]

Horrible mentality btw

[dense latch]

i care when my numbers are high they magically don’t matter when they’re low

but recently i genuinely don’t care how i’m doing so long as it’s fun

[bold geode]

Attaching yourself to numbers like that is so dog shit

[stone trellis]

It has good results for me, so...

[dense latch]

i got high up in the ladder but it felt like shit so im on a break

[bold geode]

Aight but what happens when it don't all of a sudden

What happens after one bad day

That's the problem with being all about the numbers is that it's all fine and dandy until the numbers don't go the way you want em to

[stone trellis]

I rage quit for a bit and then I get eight straight CIR-Magearna matches.

[bold geode]

And after a while, you lose sight of what matters in that department which isn't what the numbers are, but why the numbers are like that in the first place

[stone trellis]

I always know that I'll come back up no matter how far I fall.

[bold geode]

Yeah but that's still a very unhealthy way to go about it

Coming from someone who thought the same way before

[molten oasis]

Same

[stone trellis]

Gang, I do not care.

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-caught-in-4k-caught-in-4k-meme-caught-red-handed-caught-you-gif-8043513456647096798

[stone trellis]

I'm not going to change anyway, there's no point in trying to convince me.

[bold geode]

Aight

You do you then

Just don't cry to no one when you're burned out and you genuinely feel like you're the worst player there is

[stone trellis]

The only problem I have right now is the CSR-Zama-Rilla MU.

[bold geode]

That's where that path leads
And it does not go well

Anyways @molten oasis forgive me, I played a BO1 of Bolt Balance

[molten oasis]

NOOO

[bold geode]

I WAS BORED OKAY

[dense latch]

W

[molten oasis]

But we had the hands Fari thing

Also, gonna be honest, idk how I feel about that team atm

[bold geode]

I was bored, I played Bolt Balance and I sent flowers to my neighbors house

Sorry Dave, I was bored

[molten oasis]

Hilarious meme

[bold geode]

It's great

[bold geode]

Hands Fari or the Temu bike team

@molten oasis I know yo ass looking at Discord

[molten oasis]

Hands Fari

I think dengo is lowkey really good but

[bold geode]

Fair Giraffe is my favorite TR support

[molten oasis]

Idk bout the rest atm

I like Fari too

I just think the team feels kinda clunky at times

[bold geode]

That team low-key feels wonky as fuck to position

[molten oasis]

Ok we’re in the same boat lmao

[bold geode]

And then the Temu bike team is just fucking buns

[molten oasis]

Yeah that team is ass

Kinda wanna commit to dengo tho, dengo’s solid

[bold geode]

Bro I played a game, had great positioning, still lost and went "yup this team is hot ass" LMAO

[bold geode]

Man I hate Dengo

[molten oasis]

I played 10 games lost 7

[bold geode]

Feel like I'm being tortured in fucking ZA everytime I gotta collect sparkles on the ground

[molten oasis]

Eh I guess that’s also fair

When dengo is in good position it cooks but

Otherwise it just fumbles around

[bold geode]

Bro like
I'm at 530 coins in ZA rn but a NPC gave me 413 of those

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

That’s hell

[bold geode]

I thought I almost had em all, but then I looked in my bag, saw how many I had and legitimately almost crashed the fuck out

[dense latch]

there’s an npc that gives you some?? huge

[molten oasis]

Is dengo bad on our team tho? Like what feels meh about the team

[dense latch]

i might have like 300 or something rn

[bold geode]

Yeah he initially gives you them when he gives you the Gimmighoul

[molten oasis]

Very nice

[bold geode]

Bro the one game you can status condition that fucker and it don't even matter

Actually low-key how much does Geomancy Moonblast do to Dengo

[dense latch]

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 132 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 127-150 (70.9 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

if you’re talking za idk

at least like 5%

[bold geode]

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Gholdengo: 125-147 (64.4 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Bruh LMAO

Xerneas is fucking stupid

[dense latch]

and make it rain does like 40% at most back 😭

[bold geode]

[stone trellis]

I want to make a Reg F team, but all of them are either mid or not my style.

[bold geode]

Well then make your own
Look at the format, the meta, what tools you want on a team, etc.

[dense latch]

make your own or try them out harder

it’s hard to truly say a team is not for you based on just the teamsheet

[bold geode]

Yeah
Rn we're in a format where actually a lot of shit got potential

Also idk why but my Discord got a function now where if I double tap a message that finger pops up as a reaction

Idk when it added this

[stone trellis]

I am shit at making teams in Reg F, I genuinely don't know how to make a team with synergy and all the stuff that seems to be good is actually shit.

Potential my ass, everybody's like Megumi from JJK.

It's always "if" and "when" but never "is".

[bold geode]

Cuz you ain't give it the time

Another issue that arises from the "all about the numbers" mentality

[stone trellis]

It worked perfectly with Reg I/J.

[bold geode]

Like legitimately can you tell me why your other teams struggled

ROTOM WTF

[dense latch]

if you try out multiple teams you’ll eventually figure out common factors that make a good team

restricted formats are different

[bold geode]

But is this Reg I/J

[stone trellis]

No.

[bold geode]

Ok
It's different

You don't have busted restricted that can carry your ass

All the values of teambuilding and play gotta speak for themselves

[stone trellis]

Being a CIR user hurts me too, because nobody in Reg F can tank anything normally.

[bold geode]

But all this time, you been too worried about the numbers to understand that, which is why I say it's a bad mentality

Like sure the bad mentality worked before
But you've only been getting away with it til now

[stone trellis]

And the worst part is that I know I could be good in Reg F.

[bold geode]

There's a difference between an action/way being good and just getting away with something wrong

[dense latch]

it’s hard to get used to non restricted formats when you started with one

i started sv vgc in reg g and reg h was shit at the beginning for me

[stone trellis]

A format with so many intricacies would naturally demand more complex EV spreads and item choices, which is exactly what I'm good at.

I understood Reg H immediately.

[bold geode]

Legitimately my best advice is to just play the format and review games with people

[dense latch]

im talking about non restricted formats as a whole coming from restricted formats just used my reg h as an example to what might be your reg f

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[dense latch]

im not saying it’s 100% what’s going on but it might be that

[molten oasis]

So question, do you wanna move onto another team (if we even play more of the format) or?

[foggy lodge]

did you all know this things exist

[bold geode]

I mean probably
Sticking with parts is fine, but I don't wanna play that jank thing

[bold geode]

Are those earrings?

[foggy lodge]

yes

i want to get an earring

[bold geode]

I didn't know about the earrings, those are sick

I did know about the uh

[foggy lodge]

tho if i do it would be in only one ear

[bold geode]

You know about the Chien Pao scarf?

[foggy lodge]

So I wouldn't be able to use both lmao

[foggy lodge]

the what

[bold geode]

Wear both, don't bitch out

[bold geode]

The Chien Pao scarf

[stone trellis]

Man, I like Whimsicott-Terrakion from the few games I've played on the draft league.

[foggy lodge]

Damn dude

It actually looks so cool

[stone trellis]

The sheer amount of annoyingness per turn that team outputs is great.

[bold geode]

I know bro

Y'know what I really wish they'd make

[foggy lodge]

i hate that chien pao render cuz it makes him look kinda ugly when in reality its so cool

[bold geode]

I wish Pokemon would make apparel that's just items from the games

Like I totally would rock like a Choice Scarf or a pair of Safety Goggles

[stone trellis]

I would love to wear a Choice Band as a headband.

[solid frigate]

Ah yes we skinned Pao for a scarf

[bold geode]

But yeah they don't make those and I feel like that's such wasted potential

[stone trellis]

What weaknesses do Whimsicott and Terrakion share?

[bold geode]

I feel like stuff like that would sell like crazy

[solid frigate]

Excadrill

[stone trellis]

Ah.

Shifu it is.

Oh wait, that's two Fighting types FUUUU-

[bold geode]

Eh fuck it

Don't worry too much about overlapping types

Also I think there's Whimsicott Terrakion teams out there

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm gonna do my own thing.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Either way I think you play those kinda teams more offensively

[stone trellis]

I never do well when I use teams that were made entirely by other people anyway.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Still can get inspiration or an idea at least

[stone trellis]

For now, I have to go to sleep.

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[timber schooner]

They buffed my boy sceptile finally

[rustic mountain]

?

[shadow wind]

Tree did you not hear bout the +200 bst buff sceptile got ?

[molten oasis]

What?

[waxen dock]

I had a dream where i won a local

Even tho i never attended 1 in my life

[shadow wind]

Drago you haven’t heard either?

[shadow wind]

You guys are making me sound like I’m going crazy

[lost sun]

what buff

[molten oasis]

Nope

[stone trellis]

They gave Sceptile a BST of 730 and you didn't know?

Fake fans, man.

On a side note, it baffles me how this thing has the same Speed as Sneasler with the same ability and it still manages to be ass.

[timber schooner]

They gave sceptile work up so it can finally boost its special attack

[bold geode]

Ain't enough

[foggy lodge]

⚠️🚨BIG AMOONGUSS BUFF: AMOONGUSS NOW LEARNS DAZZLING GLEAM🚨⚠️

[bold geode]

I told you this ese

It also gets First Impression

[stone trellis]

It should get Growth and Chlorophyll.

[timber schooner]

It should get competitive and growth

[stone trellis]

I don't care if it makes sense, it should get either anyway.

[timber schooner]

Give it spore

[rustic mountain]

and this is why it didnt make my radar

doesnt matter enough unfortunately

[timber schooner]

At least it can

[rustic mountain]

if only the mega made it relevant, idk wat they could do to help it out to where itd be better outside bst increase/adjustment

[dense latch]

i’d take any za moveset buffs with a grain of salt, maybe some stay but we’re definitely not getting all (machamp learns fissure in legends za)

even if it does get work up it’s a bad move

[polar canyon]

Mega scovillain chlorophyll copium

Gonna keep chorophyll and not swapping to an useless ability on mega

And be an actually at least decent sun sweeper

[stone trellis]

Speaking of Scovillain in sun, it's hilarious to me how Spicy Extract Korai teams just die at the mere idea of Follow Me + Trick Room.

[bold geode]

Smeargle when Follow Me Ogerpon