competitive_discussion

[short quiver]

im ev training my mawile

[shadow wind]

No need to complicate things in a children’s game

[short quiver]

im even gonna ev train my MINUN

[shadow wind]

There’s a time for comp and there’s a time for me to click the attacking move

[foggy lodge]

-said in a comp chat about a kids game

[shadow wind]

Yeah but I’m not talking about competitive being the children aspect

[short quiver]

children can play competitively tho

[foggy lodge]

yeah i get it but its ironical lol

[shadow wind]

For all intents and purposes chess is a children’s game

[short quiver]

just ask Jack

[shadow wind]

It’s a game after all

[foggy lodge]

Adults would never get the vibe of competitive Pokémon

[shadow wind]

And children play these games

[short quiver]

which is unfortunate cuz some
of these games are boringly easy for us adults

[shadow wind]

When I played through SV for the first time I played like I was 12 again and had a blast

[foggy lodge]

Crazy how Pokemon could be a chess 2 but just because it has explosions and sparkles people wouldn't consider it a serious thing

[shadow wind]

Overlevelled starter and some funny mons I liked

[foggy lodge]

Like the last week basically

[shadow wind]

That’s how these games are meant to be enjoyed on a playthrough

[short quiver]

yall rate my team Mightyena Combusken Ralts Swellow Minun Mawile

[shadow wind]

0/10 because I hate pokemon

[short quiver]

-said in a comp channel about said pokemon

[foggy lodge]

When I play the story I use like 10 mons

[shadow wind]

Why are you asking us to rate a random play through team

[short quiver]

cuz its funny and i can

“rate the fit” part 2

[shadow wind]

10? Try 6 cause that’s my party

[foggy lodge]

I just change them depending what its better in each battle

[short quiver]

idk who im replacing once i get the free latios tho

[foggy lodge]

It just gives me more chances to use different Pokémon

[shadow wind]

I usually try to only use the new mons in play throughs but I really don’t care

[foggy lodge]

On my SV playthrough I used

[shadow wind]

I couldn’t even tell you who I used cause it was such a non important thing to me, all I know is that I picked Skeledirge and loved the guy

I can’t even remember my very first champion team in Y

I know I had mega Zard and Chesnaught

I think a Gurdurr as well

And I remember I beat Diantha’s Mega Gardevoir with my Mega Zard’s fire blast

And I popped off

[foggy lodge]

Skeledirge, Arboliva, Palafin, Maushold, Garganacl, Mimikyu, Donphan, Mimikyu, Cetoddle and Clodsire

Cetoddle carried

[short quiver]

i changed pokemon in SV every 10 minutes

can i just say i love zebstrika

[foggy lodge]

Unnecesary risk 0/10 play

[shadow wind]

I was like 8

And I still make that play with pblades

Old habits die hard ahh lesson

[foggy lodge]

Bro closes games with pblades

[shadow wind]

And opens

[short quiver]

cant say im surprised

[shadow wind]

Never a bad time to click Pblades

[short quiver]

facing two flying types would you still click it

probably

[shadow wind]

Yeah cause I’m a complete idiot that makes sense

[short quiver]

it made sense to me cuz youd be aura farming

i know it wont hit you and i dont care

[foggy lodge]

Conner clicks pblades on 100% winning positions to aura farm

And connects

[short quiver]

i 100% believe that sentence

[shadow wind]

Just don’t check some of my replays

You miss every Pblade you don’t click

And sometimes you miss even when you click

[short quiver]

i hate how origine pulse and pblades are 90 accuracy

[shadow wind]

Not sometimes actually, a lot of times

[shadow wind]

85 but close enough

[short quiver]

sorry i meant to say 50 accuracy

[shadow wind]

I think I had a google sheet going of all my pblades

Then it would calc the % I actually hit

Then when it hit like 70% I just gave up

[short quiver]

yeah this guy tested every inaccurate move by using each of them 100 times and each move hit 10 less times than whatever its accuracy says

80% accurate moves would hit 70% of the time and so on

and then the OHKO moves would hit like 40% of the time i think he said

[shadow wind]

I feel like I saw that yeah

I mean it’s all in your head anyway

Accuracy is a concept

A concept made up by big Water spout and Eruption to stop you from clicking the fun moves

[short quiver]

accuracy is a lie created by the government

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-trap-dominic-toretto-vin-diesel-fast-x-they're-luring-you-in-gif-13500803666361148163

[foggy lodge]

Tbh we live in a universe where a guy clicked fissure 4 times and it connected 3 times

And on stream

[shadow wind]

Game knew it had to show why it can’t be chess 2

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao fr

I hate fissure so much

My hottest take is that OHKO moves should be banned from comp

[next stump]

I love clicking fissure

[shadow wind]

It’s unhealthy for the game sure but to go on a generational run of clicking fissure and hitting more than like 80% of the time for it to be worth will almost never happen

Same as crits

They’re part of what makes Pokemon such an inconsistent mess

But if we removed all OHKO moves speed ties and crits the game becomes boring and not entertaining

[foggy lodge]

We would have misses and ice beam freezes and heat wave burns‼️

But yeah a game like Pokémon just needs RNG to be entertaining

Actually how do you remove speed ties

[shadow wind]

You can’t really

I just hate them

Which I why I almost never run 252 speed

[foggy lodge]

Yeah everyone hates them

[shadow wind]

I’d rather know I’ll be slower and plan for that

[foggy lodge]

Sometimes you just have to play the speed ties games like that

But if you are playing like you know you are the slower yeah then 252 speed is just a waste

[shadow wind]

Which is my beloved Groudon was awesome to play

I know who I outspeed and don’t outspeed

[foggy lodge]

Kyogre speed ties❤️

[shadow wind]

No funny business with 205s and whatnot

[foggy lodge]

Have you ever speed tied with a Kyogre ever

[shadow wind]

Nope

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

[shadow wind]

They are always faster or min speed

Because Kyogre can get away with running max speed

[foggy lodge]

Tbh I'm always more susceptible to speed ties just because I play popular mons lol

[shadow wind]

See this is why we play mons like Kommo 😝😝😝

[foggy lodge]

To speed tie with Archaludon❤️

[shadow wind]

Twin is dying to stab body press

And I die to Draco

I actually haven’t played mons in like 2 weeks

[foggy lodge]

We are just gonna shoot the bullet and let the game decide

[shadow wind]

Take it out back

I’m ready for the game to be gone

I can’t wait for Groudon to be better after Tera is gone

[foggy lodge]

Every day I check the state of Pokemon showdown and go boo when its still working

Then I spam games

[shadow wind]

Addiction

I managed to escape

[foggy lodge]

Finally OHKOing the Miraidons

[foggy lodge]

Wait primals are coming back

You are getting the 100% Groudon

[shadow wind]

The ever so humble walking wake

Also if primals are back I’m so back

I have never even seen a primal with my own eyes

[foggy lodge]

YOU ARE GONNA SPEED TIE ON PRIMALS

[shadow wind]

Min speed ties

Nah cause I just won’t lead Groudon

Go against my gut

Cause I just always lead Groudon

[molten oasis]

Sounds miserable

[foggy lodge]

Fr

When I played Groudon I would lead it like

90% of the times

[shadow wind]

You gotta

He sticks around

[foggy lodge]

The 2% of the time I didn't lead it

[shadow wind]

Wait let me find stats

[foggy lodge]

And the other 8% I just didn't pick it

[shadow wind]

🥀

[foggy lodge]

He wasn't doing that well into CSR okay

[shadow wind]

Gang was not AV

[foggy lodge]

I was clam❤️

[foggy lodge]

I had AV Raging

That was the one who carried my CSR MU

[shadow wind]

These are also from Bo3 so take that as you will

Like I went 17-0 here but Bo3 so yknow

And I remember my 17th game was a Groudon mirror

Oh this was also lefties Groudon

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

Wait just found a PASRS with 170 games

[foggy lodge]

I know that team it was Mao Harada's team

[shadow wind]

This oughta give good numbers

Maybe I'm a liar

[foggy lodge]

Tbh that's reg I

[shadow wind]

🥀

[foggy lodge]

It was just natural to lead the other restricted very often

[foggy lodge]

Smeargle lmfao

[shadow wind]

Especially when the other restricted is Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

I know you got hit by the fake out into +2 speed combo

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Miraidon asks you a lot to lead with it

[shadow wind]

Yup

[foggy lodge]

In a format with sleeps

[shadow wind]

What a fun gimmick

I think the restricteds I used speak to how I play

[foggy lodge]

Misses

[shadow wind]

That's so many Pblades 😭

[foggy lodge]

If you run pblades is to use it

That was my logic with sandsear

[shadow wind]

Wait let me find stats with high horsepower

[foggy lodge]

I'm running this move for a reason I have to use it

[molten oasis]

How did zacian get on there

[shadow wind]

Swordfish

But I played more Kyogre with other mons so it isn't there

[foggy lodge]

Ok that makes sense lol

Your team gets mauled by swordfish

[molten oasis]

Yeah cuz I was like, Zac sucks into groudon incin

[shadow wind]

Yessir

And Kyogre bends those guys over

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

And Zac beats Miraidon most of the time

[foggy lodge]

Bro clicks HHP less than protect

[shadow wind]

Bo1 with 64 recorded games

[shadow wind]

Go big or go home

[foggy lodge]

Look at this guy he prefers to do nothing on a turn than to do damage

[shadow wind]

Why would I click high horsepower when I can hit both enemies !

This needs to be studied

Holy tilt

I can never escape

[foggy lodge]

Holy shit dude

The elo drop was so sad to watch

[shadow wind]

1730 to 1475 😭

I even beat a 1791 player right before this happened

But then I definitely just tilted and gave up

[foggy lodge]

Conner are you gonna play the prizepool tour of this weekend

[shadow wind]

The huh?

[forest arrow]

Bro doesn’t know

[shadow wind]

I haven't played mons for 2 weeks I'm super out of the know

[foggy lodge]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6913ca9bb11d3f5498bbc1ef/details

[shadow wind]

Holy shmoly

[foggy lodge]

Its a big tournament so is prize for the top 8

[shadow wind]

Well I mean I might as well

[foggy lodge]

Like 5 dollars to top 8

With tha prizepool is worth to play hard TR maybe even dozogiri

[shadow wind]

And it's free to enter?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[shadow wind]

Well then why not

I have no team and I'm rusty but may as well give it a go

[foggy lodge]

Its on cart tho that would be like the only bad thing

[shadow wind]

Nah that's whatever

I have pretty much every mon I would want to use available to me

Double edit is crazy work

[foggy lodge]

I have to figure out a team but I love the Darkshifu AV Raging core rn

Darkshifu is going crazy for me

[shadow wind]

Well I guess I better figure out what I want to run

Does munchstats not have F yet?

[foggy lodge]

I was using Aurelien's team and did well with it

[foggy lodge]

I think it has it?

[shadow wind]

Hmm I can't find it

And I reloaded the site and all

Eh oh well

Not like I was one for looking really indepth anyway

Me when I lie

Well I guess I got this whole week to enter the lab for real this time

[dense latch]

i still don’t know what i’m gonna use for this or if i’ll even play it

i built japan balance but the second i did i started doing horribly with it on showdown

so now im second guessing my ability w the team

[foggy lodge]

What were you using before

[dense latch]

i’ve been on japan balance since the format started basically

just trying out different variants

[foggy lodge]

I ended up dropping balance because I had too many tclap 50/50s lmfao

Too many sucker and tclap 50/50s

[dense latch]

there was a paonite variant that made top 16 at orlando with no tclap cm raging bolt

[foggy lodge]

Because I was using Pao too

[dense latch]

yea i’m getting so tired of this

my luck on bo3 ladder hasn’t been great either

i played dozogiri into tingdozo into tingdozo

[molten oasis]

Saturday…

[dense latch]

then played a few bo1 games vs tingdozo

literally only playing dozo recently

[foggy lodge]

💔💔💔

That's why I love darkshify now

[molten oasis]

Pain

[molten oasis]

You’re all over single strike damn

[foggy lodge]

Single strike is the meta call imo

And I think I'm going on the right direction

I mean as much as you can call a mon with like 30% usage a meta call lol

But its been helping with a lot of MUs that are popular

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/d520556c79227a5e i was using this which i found on top cut explorer but i kinda gave up the moment i faced a breaking swipe gouging fire

not a huge fan of 5 physical attackers but band dnite is so fun

[foggy lodge]

Its good into Incin its not resisted by Rilla and Amoonguss its good into psyspam crown its good into Farigiraf

Its only really bad MUs are watershifu and tera fairy raging bolt and amoonguss

I wouldn't even say that Flutter is a super bad MU cuz

You win the 1v1 in theory

There's a world where you lose the 8 sucker punch mindgames

[molten oasis]

Yeah. I see it fs

[dense latch]

me

[shadow wind]

It's finally time for me to lock in

Mindset has shifted

Motivation forced

Farigiraf IN
THE
BUILDER

Also does anyone elses showdown bug out when you try to sort by spatk?

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[shadow wind]

God forbid a guy use any pokemon ever

[bold geode]

Real
Get fucked nerd

[shadow wind]

This is just Clash Royale now

You use that deck? Holy carried

[bold geode]

Real

[shadow wind]

Nah CR died with this last update screw that game

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

There's a bug with Porygon for some reason lol

Try to put P2 on your builder

[shadow wind]

Guys I think Farigiraf might be leaving the builder 😔

[shadow wind]

He doesn't exist

[foggy lodge]

I just got hit by blizzard freeze into snarl crit to lose a game

[shadow wind]

🥀

[foggy lodge]

Alolan Ninetales has to actually be removed from the game

Why did it even come back

[shadow wind]

Is it back?

[foggy lodge]

They should have left snow as hail

[shadow wind]

Aw man

[foggy lodge]

With Articuno spamming blizzards

That team won the Utrecht special event in reg F

[shadow wind]

Oh right

[rustic mountain]

keeping mentions on while replying to this @ing some1 else

[molten oasis]

Sorry my bad

I thought I clicked the no reply

[rustic mountain]

lmao ur good

im just like oh some1 tagged me, and then its that

[molten oasis]

Pain indeed

[foggy lodge]

tree what do you think of darkshifu rn

[rustic mountain]

for reg f?

[foggy lodge]

yes

[rustic mountain]

its solid

[foggy lodge]

I think I cooked something interesting with it

[rustic mountain]

seemingly only good on select cores but does its role really well on them

[molten oasis]

Think it just really wants sash and tailwind

[rustic mountain]

min speed band sets on tr are actually very oppressive

but yea sash or scarf i think are also valid

[molten oasis]

Those sets are scary asf

[foggy lodge]

I remember a scarf tera stellar darkshifu made top 8

With tera blast btw it was crazy

[rustic mountain]

oh yea

that was early format

[molten oasis]

That sounds fun lowkey

But yeah seems worse in a more recent setting

[shadow wind]

I think I must rely on the sun

[rustic mountain]

i think tera stellar darkshifu is still good, tera blast tho? nah

[molten oasis]

Oh yeah no blast

[shadow wind]

I need to return to my roots

[molten oasis]

I’d probably just do sucker

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

I've always liked tera dark more with darkshifu

[rustic mountain]

thats also solid

[foggy lodge]

Tera wicked into tera sucker does crazy damage

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

to me either offensive teras (dark or stellar) or a defensive one (poison) are all viable

really depends on the team

[molten oasis]

Yeah, tho i still personally prefer rapid

Single had a place tho which is nice

[rustic mountain]

well yea cuz its just better

i also prefer rapid

[molten oasis]

Surging strikes go brr

[rustic mountain]

most fun i had in sv w/ darkshifu was that zapdos/sylveon team that had it it made finals of worlds 2023

[molten oasis]

That’s a wild team

[rustic mountain]

yea it was crazy

it was in seniors

fun team tho

[molten oasis]

Seniors make some interesting stuff

[rustic mountain]

yea they can for sure

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

Torkoal my beloved

I need him to make a come back

When using Wisp on Incin what move should I be removing?

Like I'm making a tr team so I have sun but I also want wisp on Incin

And normally you ditch blitz

[dense latch]

i've seen some incin with no knock off

[molten oasis]

Pretty sure you typically drop knock off

[rustic mountain]

knock off so goated tho

id also like to point out again that any1 who called reg h boring it continued till the end in being a format that actually had variety and meta transformation at almost every turn

[shadow wind]

I think every single thing I had against Reg H is that there was no Groudon

I just like restricted formats I guess

[rustic mountain]

i like pokemon but if i had to pick def like more regional based formats

[shadow wind]

I never got to a play a format like that but I imagine that it'd be sick

I'm getting pretty bored of Incin Rilla Ursh

[rustic mountain]

i mean it wouldnt have groudon but def allows for a lot more mons to have a place

[shadow wind]

I can handle a format without my goat as long as the threats aren't named Urshifu or Raging bolt

[foggy lodge]

It was cool to see Incin Blursa dominate all the tournaments❤️

Sorry but what

Literally the same 6 mons on top on every single event

On Stuttgart it was the same just with Basculegion over Dnite

And because it was popular on another balance comp of Incin Rilla Blursa

[shadow wind]

What a fun regulation !!!

[foggy lodge]

Like yes you had niche mons do well, Venusaur made top 8 at LAIC, Dusclops made top 8 at LAIC, Ribombee won a regional but the price is that they are all teams that use super similar cores

[molten oasis]

Yeaaaahhhh, I still didn’t like that format

[rustic mountain]

actually not the same 6 mons, but even still sure a format will always have the centralizing pieces that doesnt mean it lacks variety, hisuan typholoshion winning or top cutting, torkoal sneaking in top use and also doing well towards the middle to end of the format, and other cases like u mentioned or others like prim, gastro, pult, making top cut, giraffe making a comeback. i mean shit even kilowattrel having a place on an actual meta team. pengy won with sycther and garganacl, flamigo won a regional.
issue is ppl are tunnel visioning into the things ur mentioning and seeing a lot of those common cores do well while ignoring the others that are also doing well alongside of them while furthering the meta as a result. the team on top by the end of the format was not that strong and barely seen in any top cut

https://pokepast.es/26367c4c519a8aed
only one in top cut in the last 2 events

[shadow wind]

Who in the world is Typholoshion

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 303: Mawile-Mega

Types

Steel/Fairy

Abilities

Huge Power

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/105/125/55/95/50

Total

480

Base Species

Mawile

Sableye version 4.29.0

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 303: Mawile

Types

Steel/Fairy

Abilities

Hyper Cutter, Intimidate, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/85/85/55/55/50

Total

380

Other Formes

Mawile-Mega

Sableye version 4.29.0

[real prairie]

Mega Lucario Z is interesting

Still fighting steel

[stone trellis]

Oh shit, the DLC's out.

I can buy both Legends Z-A and a Switch Pro controller when I go to Thessaloniki, considering how much money my grandma gave me.

But I'll choose the Pro controller.

[bold geode]

Out on the 10th

[forest arrow]

Damn we only got 8 days

That’s wild

[short quiver]

i am trying to avoid dlc leaks tbh

im hyped about mega chimecho

[real prairie]

Sorry, didn't figure official announcement as leaks. I'll try to refrain from posting without a spoiler warning

[short quiver]

nintendo doesnt want me to enjoy the masterpiece that is mega chimecho

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-yamada-peak-kessoku-hood-cry-gif-11973619532883276346

bell to a wind chime to a dream catcher

ITS FUCKING PEAK

[stone trellis]

I just hope it gets a good typing, stats and ability.

[real prairie]

its not a dream catcher, its a suzu bell chime cluster, and its really cool that it looks like a giant chingling

[real prairie]

Ladder is reg J again

[foggy lodge]

Its gonna have the most mid stats ever but I hope its good somehow💔

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 358: Chimecho

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/50/80/95/90/65

Total

455

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

It needs an hyper busted ability to be good

If it gets levitate it can't even be an expanding force user

[shadow wind]

I’ve heard speculation of an ability that changes normal type moves to steel because it got boomburst

But ehhhhhh

I also heard an idea for something like parental bond with sound type moves called like “Resonating heart” or something

But knowing Pokémon it’s going to be levitate 🥀

[short quiver]

BST of 555 isnt so bad

its stats are all incredibly mediocre

so i hope the mega minmaxes some of these stats

[foggy lodge]

Yeah 555 is good stats

But a lot of regular mons have some similar numbers

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

So yeah it has to be minmaxed

75/50/95/145/95/95

Something like that

[molten oasis]

That might be good

[short quiver]

if only megas would be reworked to also include hp stat

some megas would really benefit from that

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

Sableye version 4.29.0

[shadow wind]

What a good mon

[molten oasis]

Fr

[dense latch]

i love rillaboom

[molten oasis]

I honestly never use it

Like sometimes I use it but not much

[dense latch]

i’m a huge balance merchant so i use it all the time

[molten oasis]

I play lots of balance stuff too but I tend to use incin and rely more heavily on ogerpon

Or just redirect

Or positioning since I play more offensive forms of balance over set up

[dense latch]

yea my reg f team is basically just a reskin of my reg h team

i tend to prefer setup but i feel like it might be worth it to lean into more offensive stuff

[molten oasis]

I used to prefer set up but I’ve come to hate it lol

[shadow wind]

I don’t even know what archetypes I like to play

Cause “Groudon” isn’t an archetype

[dense latch]

my reg h team was incin rilla, a fighting type, ice type, special ground type and a setup mon and japan balance is exactly that

[dense latch]

says who

groudon best archetype

[shadow wind]

So true

I can never find a Groudon substitute which is why my teams never feel good to pilot

I like how Groudon plays

[molten oasis]

My reg h team was chomp a9 dengo incin flamigo and, I think amoonguss

I don’t like this team much lol

It was hard to do no set up in reg h for me

[shadow wind]

My Reg H team was uh

Hmm

I didn't have that many H teams

Drago you made my top 5 frequent friends list

I still don't really know what it means

[molten oasis]

Probably cuz I’m on discord like, all the time

[shadow wind]

4/5 of mine are in this discord

Erik made #1 on my list

Maybe I just don't talk to that many people outside of this server

To be fair I'm not on Discord very much as of late

[short quiver]

bro is not a discordian

[shadow wind]

And I'd rather not be one

[shadow wind]

Prepping for this tour has reminded me why I stopped playing

Why does Landorus manage to just do everything

Wait

Mamoswine

Oh my god Mamoswine

How could I forget this guy

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/8f8101ef804bb5f1

Feels off + I need a 6th

[next stump]

booster flutter + mamo could be an idea so that you have a fast mode with icy wind that isn't reliant on tailwind

[shadow wind]

Originally I had banded Mamo + EQ

But I've decided against that but I guess the Jug stayed

[rustic mountain]

nah this would get messy

its good they disclude hp tbh

its fine having ur pagos' and zygardes with certain abilities that essentially let them regenerate hp wen transforming would be a nightmare for like every other mega in battle to account for varying damage rolls not just offensively but defensively

[shadow wind]

How does HP changing even work?

If a Pagos is 1% then transform is it still 1% or does it just gain all that extra HP?

[rustic mountain]

they have different stats so the 1% of the new transformation having more base hp means u are getting more hp back overall even tho its still 1% of that new overall value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-B0ImKZuvE

[lethal aurora]

So, I've got an extra (completed) play-through of pokemon scarlet, and I'm considering trying to go for competitive IVs on the legendaries

Is it worth trying for a 0spd Ting-Lu, 0attack munkidori, etc?

Like, how likely is it that those IVs are going to tip the scales of a match, assuming I use these pokemon at all

[real prairie]

1% and 1hp are different 😃

[waxen dock]

No

Unless you plan to play competetively and then 0iv or at least low speed is good

[timber falcon]

How do i start building a team? As in do i build it round a specific pokemon/ability or archetype?

[short quiver]

everyone builds differently

[timber falcon]

yeah shouldve expected that, what i mean to say is i dont think my method is working out for me

I usually focus on one pokemon then decide what kind of team i would like it to feature in

[real prairie]

try fitting the mon you want into existing archtypes

[dense latch]

a strong core is a good start

[solid frigate]

You have to think about what speed does Ting-Lu want,for Hard TR teams that’s fine but like in normal teams,Speed creeping+Optimisation in your team is important so you don’t mess up the timing your Ting-Lu and Partner Pokémon’s moves

[dense latch]

https://youtu.be/cwzfN93SPv0?si=IYo9j7UQkUP2CFuN

[solid frigate]

Bro can’t get away using Smash Bros Incin Render lol

[real prairie]

This is another good source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ML6312fFKcDAWAWwkVbQ7d1zPAhR6QO_ZWxO7yyelzc/edit?gid=173387319#gid=173387319

[dense latch]

looks nicer than the home renders all things considered

despite how out of place it looks lol

[solid frigate]

Yeah fair enough

It’s still looks so realistic compare to the other ones lol

[forest arrow]

My sleeper pick rn is Entei

[timber falcon]

ty for this has been a massive help

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[stone trellis]

I beat CSR-Zama-Rilla for once.

That Rillaboom was suspiciously strong, by the way.

[timber falcon]

did crit matter?

cant remember if cudgel had a boosted crit chance or not

[tiny karma]

Move: Ivy Cudgel

Has a higher chance for a critical hit. If the user is an Ogerpon, this move's type changes depending on its form. Water type for Wellspring Mask, Fire type for Hearthflame Mask, and Rock type for Cornerstone Mask.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[stone trellis]

Ogerpon was -2.

That crit was a lifesaver.

But my CIR's High Horsepower missed Incineroar, so they were about 2,5 times luckier.

[timber falcon]

dang, was wondering why the Zama stayed in and took that, didnt consider crit

wp

[stone trellis]

196+ Atk Rillaboom High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 188 Def Miraidon: 94-112 (53.4 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

108+ SpA Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Rillaboom: 141-166 (68.1 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
Okay, that removes all tension from the last two turns.

How fast does Miraidon need to be?

Currently it's at 204 Speed EVs so it can outspeed max Speed Impish Zamazenta, but do people even run max Speed Zama?

[timber falcon]

based off munchats 164 is the highest for most zamas

[stone trellis]

Great for me, then.

[stone trellis]

I still get to live 156 Adamant Groudon HHP now.

156+ Atk Groudon High Horsepower vs. 92 HP / 188 Def Miraidon: 156-186 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 92 HP / 188 Def Miraidon: 152-182 (81.2 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 92 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Miraidon: 140-166 (74.8 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
236+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 92 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Miraidon in Rain: 61-72 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO
36+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 92 HP / 188 Def Miraidon: 146-174 (78 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
116+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 92 HP / 188 Def Miraidon: 152-182 (81.2 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 92 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Miraidon: 72-86 (38.5 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

I live just about every attack, I guess.

Do I keep Tera Electric?

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2492834197

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2492840100

[timber falcon]

depends on your item and ev spread

[stone trellis]

AV.

The spread is 92 HP / 188 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 116 Spe Modest.

[timber falcon]

might as well go tera electric for when you need that extra push in damage

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2492855021

[stone trellis]

108+ SpA Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 208-246 (100.4 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That's actually exactly what I calced it for.

[foggy lodge]

@molten oasis https://fixupx.com/VelocityVGC/status/1996060458684743698?s=20

Grant (@VelocityVGC)

Please drop champions so I can do this

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FixupX · Dec 3, 2025, 3:34 AM

[short quiver]

OMG MY CHILD MENTIONED

MAWILE MENTION IN THENWILD

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-fortnite-godzilla-godzilla-fortnite-die-lit-gif-7248338267185862502

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2492903948-679kh4najx9gf97b2v6dk7v2qmdbksgpw

[waxen dock]

Lol

I used a version of his team in reg g

With zacian and drago

[shadow wind]

Was that the one with Chi yu and Whims and Tera ground Zacian?

[timber falcon]

Honestly I’m surprised that kills

[timber falcon]

Ever since I’ve never looked at Regidrago the same tbh

[waxen dock]

yeah

it was very fun to use

[molten oasis]

lol

[rustic mountain]

drago doesnt even like dragons

[dense latch]

does tree like trees though

[shadow wind]

And does Eriksp like sps?

[rustic mountain]

ofc

[dense latch]

mixed feelings

[shadow wind]

What about the Gameboy variety

[dense latch]

my cousin had one but she didn't let me play with it so i bear a bit of a grudge

[shadow wind]

Understandable

[forest arrow]

Tree is actually Tree co.

<Treecko my beloved

[shadow wind]

Brings a tear to my eye

Like you're telling me this guy can hit Rilla, Incin, Bolt, AND Landorus?

[rustic mountain]

such a goated mon

[rustic mountain]

yes mamo is cool, best offensive typing in the game combated w/ its abysmal defensive typing

i used it in swsh for a bit, it was fun

its a sash mon thru nd thru

[shadow wind]

Oh I'm running lorb currently

[short quiver]

if you were to ask Draft League wolfey hed tell you to use a scarf

it seems odd to me putting a scarf on an ice type

[rustic mountain]

draft leagues a bit different

i think scarf mamo was solid way back

it just has a lot that immediately threaten it

[dense latch]

set choices in draft are way different
rather than choosing a good item for the entire meta you only choose a good item relative to what your opponent has

[shadow wind]

I am a victim of the Raging bolt pipeline gameplay

[rustic mountain]

we all are

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

[rustic mountain]

whether ur playing it or countering it

its there

[shadow wind]

What even is anti CM bolt gameplay

[dense latch]

tera fairy farig

[shadow wind]

Wait I have taunt on my flutter

Holy my brain is dead

[rustic mountain]

theres a lot of anti cm stuff, snarl, blowing it up, tera fairy giraffe, taunt, parting shot it so its offensive capabilities are limited. some ppl have pins like regidrago and iron crown (not that good imo)

lando can be really nice vs it

amoongus

[dense latch]

regidrago iron crown works when the bolt balance player doesnt know how to approach the matchup (me i'm talking about me)

[shadow wind]

😭

[dense latch]

but even when i do tera fairy i usually have so many calm minds up it's not an issue

[rustic mountain]

haha yea its basically just preserve terrain, u haave to tera fairy early, get the boosts so wen iron crown comes in tachyon cutter is not that effective and once u eliminate indeedee u just cycle ur fake out bros and win

eliminate regidrago asap so it doesnt poke too many holes in ur team but also get atleast +2 for crown

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/cd07d243b611f121

[rustic mountain]

incin will usually live helping hand dragon energy so i p shot out cuz they r greedy they get -1 i get +1s from cm bring in rilla have terrain control and im vibing

nd if they lead crown its even better

[dense latch]

goggles bolt feels a bit overkill

ogerpon redirects spore, rilla is immune and flutter can taunt already

[shadow wind]

True

[dense latch]

av is probably better

[shadow wind]

Oh no, not the cm bolt pipeline

AV is on boom

[dense latch]

o right

[shadow wind]

No booster or lorb either

[dense latch]

damn

[shadow wind]

I don't think cm fits on the team though

[dense latch]

me neither

[shadow wind]

Chi yu gives bolt enough explosiveness

[dense latch]

magnet?

[shadow wind]

Probably yeah

[dense latch]

also mamo is missing 4 evs

[shadow wind]

He barely needs em

(Can't believe I didn't see that)

[rustic mountain]

leftovers bolt 😍

[forest arrow]

Goated starter

[forest arrow]

Building my team for this weekend who’s all gonna playing

[shadow wind]

If I can make a team that I like for it I will

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/0fbae9789b63ec15

[rustic mountain]

entei

[stone trellis]

HO brimstone detected.

Jarvis, draw me as the chad and this guy as the malding soyjak.

[molten oasis]

I’m just in the experiment phase with my go to core but that looks solid

[bold geode]

Ain't no way Incin lives that

[molten oasis]

I mean it’s incin

[forest arrow]

Sleeper pick, trust

I’d have Chien Pao too, but urshifu is for the dozo mu that ik I’ll run into

[rustic mountain]

right

yea i think its just seeing entei solo

its not a bad fire type tho

[stone trellis]

If it can do anything close to what its past cousin can do, it's cracked.

(CB Gouging Fire in sun OHKOs Incineroar with Raging Fury 75% of the time)

[short quiver]

i see the absolute goat Poni

[short quiver]

you mean fire type Outrage right

[stone trellis]

Yes.

Funnily enough, resisted Tera Fire Raging Fury in sun does the same as neutral Outrage.

Since the 50% boost from the sun and the 33% boost from Tera Fire doubles the power of Raging Fury.

[forest arrow]

Yeah I get turn 1 KOs on incin

Just depends on boardstate, but moonblast easily helps with that

[rustic mountain]

if u want my spread all u have to do is ask

but nah on a serious note, it depends on the spread/item

[rustic mountain]

fuckin gamer of the year over here

[forest arrow]

I mean hey take away incin and the OPP usually crumbles lol

[rustic mountain]

"yea i just ko incin wenever"

[forest arrow]

flutter entei is a great lead for it lol

[rustic mountain]

cuz incins the goat

how would the bulls threepeat w/o jordan

[forest arrow]

Facts

Entei was incin at first

Wanted to try out my goat tho

[rustic mountain]

inner focus is good in a format w/ intimidate and fo everywhere

[forest arrow]

oh yeah, entei is great into Rilla incin and shroom

Unless shroom Tera’s I guess but you know what I mean, just gotta play around the spore and that’s what Pon is for

[rustic mountain]

yea but thats like always the case

this is good into such and such unless they tera

[forest arrow]

Yeah for sure

[rustic mountain]

but having that knowledge u can force certain pins and board states

[forest arrow]

Gotta love forcing people to play how we want them too

[short quiver]

so it does the same as neutral raging fury you mean 😭its the same fucking move

[forest arrow]

Like you fell right for my trap

[rustic mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-trap-card-trap-triggered-gif-12909225702038116

[forest arrow]

You gonna play in Balans tourney this weekend?

[rustic mountain]

not gna have time

otherwise yea i wouldve

[forest arrow]

Damn unfortunate

[rustic mountain]

free entry 1500 prize pool like sure

[forest arrow]

I’m not expecting much just too have fun and test the team on cart since you know we can’t have anything nice

carts just so much better, I think I’ll play in a few limitless this reg

[bold geode]

So you're telling me you just live Helping Hand Full HP Dragon Fang Dragon Energy

[short quiver]

what

[bold geode]

Hold on lemme just

[tiny karma]

Ability: Dragon's Maw

This Pokemon's offensive stat is multiplied by 1.5 while using a Dragon-type attack.

Sableye version 4.29.0

Item: Dragon Fang

Holder's Dragon-type attacks have 1.2x power.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain Sir that is 405 BP of pure Dragon damage, what kind of steroids is your cat on

[molten oasis]

To the calculator!

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Dragon Fang Dragon's Maw Regidrago Helping Hand Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Incineroar: 183-216 (90.5 - 106.9%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Dragon Fang Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 52 SpD Incineroar: 162-192 (80.5 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Oh helping hand

Av probably

[dense latch]

rilla would be av in japan balance

[molten oasis]

Oh true

Yeah wait wtf steroids is your incin on

[dense latch]

tree's incin is just built different ig

[molten oasis]

Fr

[dense latch]

rilla can tank it at least

[solid frigate]

Did anyone check in what invest the Regidrago had

Unless that Incin has that berry

[rustic mountain]

idk man i just know ive lived like 2/3 times i vs'd it im guessing they werent max or timid

[bold geode]

Timid I guess makes sense but still Jesus dude

[rustic mountain]

im not max max but im pretty close tbh nd careful nature

im like barely living tho in any case if i do

does usually 98-99%

[dense latch]

oh ok that makes more sense

i did the timid calc later and there were a few rolls that barely missed the ko

[empty saddle]

this has to be the best turn of all time

rage powder opposing decorate tech

[solid frigate]

Bro is building +2 Seed Bomb Bonnet

[empty saddle]

genuinely running 252 atk bonnet atm lmaooo

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダービルド-sento-kiryu-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-gif-7510236496758092

Bruh lol

[empty saddle]

jus experimenting having fun with it

[timber schooner]

What's the current commpetive format

[solid frigate]

Reg F in VGC Events
Reg I in Ladder (In game)

[molten oasis]

Cart ladder will be in reg I (basically) for almost a year

[stone trellis]

Raging Fury is a 120 BP FIRE move.

Due to the 1.5x boost from sun and the 1.33x boost from Tera Fire, that results in its BP being doubled.

Due to this effect, a resisted Raging Fury deals as much damage as a neutral Outrage.

[short quiver]

SO IT DOES THE SAME AS BEING A NEUTRAL HIT

[tiny karma]

Move: Outrage

The user spends two or three turns locked into this move and becomes confused immediately after its move on the last turn of the effect if it is not already. This move targets an opposing Pokemon at random on each turn. If the user is prevented from moving, is asleep at the beginning of a turn, or the attack is not successful against the target on the first turn of the effect or the second turn of a three-turn effect, the effect ends without causing confusion. If this move is called by Sleep Talk and the user is asleep, the move is used for one turn and does not confuse the user.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[waxen dock]

Smartest htr player:

[stone trellis]

Yes, resisted Tera Fire Raging Fury in sun does the same amount of damage it would do if it was a neutral move outside of sun and without Tera Fire, assuming that Protosynthesis is always active.

[real prairie]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1996631014467330351?t=diKSlc2DqYY97NwX9SyveQ&s=19

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

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X · Dec 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

[next stump]

let’s goooo EUIC time

[shadow wind]

Why does Discord need a wrapped now

Companies just doin the most nowadays

[molten oasis]

Discord has a wrapped?

[shadow wind]

Yeah the "checkpoint" thing

The flag with the check mark

Like this is bad

I need to go outside after seeing this

[molten oasis]

Where do you see it?

Oh maybe it’s a laptop only thing I can’t see it on mobile

[shadow wind]

Most likely yeah

[bold geode]

I'm so fucked

[molten oasis]

My numbers are probably gonna be pretty stupid lmao

[shadow wind]

My numbers is grossing me out

I swear I wasn't even on discord that much this year

[molten oasis]

I KNOW I’m on discord too much

So I’m just cooked

[shadow wind]

And I thought this year I drifted from discord more 🥀

[bold geode]

I'm not finding it

[stone trellis]

Neither am I.

[shadow wind]

Apparently it'll roll out for people over the next while

[bold geode]

It gave me an option I think but I might've declined

[shadow wind]

I mean I can still go and look at mine again

Guess I was on that pokemon timing this year

Somehow I spent 42 hours in voice chats

I am notoriously not in voice channelns

[molten oasis]

Hmm

That’ll either be my dnd discord or another vgc server I’m in

[shadow wind]

That third one is there because Silk Song

That's where I was chatting about it when it came out

[molten oasis]

Real

[shadow wind]

Also the pensive cube is really funny

No nitro makes me appreciate the original emojis

Never had nitro though so I've always used these ones

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2493673450-7drrkndnmvru30aqdghkbrxvnccvf60pw

always so satisfying beating ppl higher rank

[molten oasis]

Nice

Yeah it really is, tho, I run into lower elos a lot.

[stone trellis]

I've only ever done it twice.

[dense latch]

insane incin rilla performance

[stone trellis]

It feels like people are genuinely unprepared for PTFK sometimes.

Especially the Mirai-Arceus players.

[molten oasis]

Considering how annoying cress Ursa is, that Ursa never got to play the game

[short quiver]

if a flutter mane is scarfed and the sun goes up would protosynthesis count the scarf speed boost or would it count the base stats of SpA and Spe

very important

[shadow wind]

Proto doesn’t count items as “stats”

So a scarf Flutter mane that is modest would get a spatk booster

[dense latch]

same reason why specs flutter can get speed boosts from proto

[shadow wind]

But normally it’s better to be specs than scarf because the speed boost from proto is 1.5x but the spatk boost is only 1.3x

[rustic mountain]

my bros put in overtime

[stone trellis]

1.33x.

It makes an actual difference, trust me.

[molten oasis]

Incin gonna win every reg f event watch

[dense latch]

protect switch fake out attack protect switch fake out my beloved ❤️

[rustic mountain]

lmao yea

[stone trellis]

Nah, somebody's gonna crack the code.

Bolt will definitely win most events too.

[rustic mountain]

rough few beginning turns i had a bit of an uphill battle

[shadow wind]

But the point wasn’t the exact numbers it was that it is unoptimal

[stone trellis]

I know.

[molten oasis]

It likely won’t cuz shifu and lando are hella common, and wellspring is good again but

It’ll definitely have its moments

[stone trellis]

Urshifu alone is a huge problem for Incineroar.

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

ursa not having tera ghost available was huge

[stone trellis]

Not to even mention the big brown cloud man.

[rustic mountain]

incin gna b top 6 useage id imagine a lot of teams that do well will have it, doesnt mean u need it

[molten oasis]

I use both

[rustic mountain]

exactly that was my big saving grace, them burning tera early

[molten oasis]

Incin rilla bolt shifu probably top 4, flutter for top 5

[rustic mountain]

they kinda boomed me the first few turns but knowing they had tera gone was a huge help

[stone trellis]

Imagine using Knock Off into Ursaluna and then Cress heals it.

[rustic mountain]

yep

[dense latch]

that matchup is so hard without the fake out revolving door available i feel like it's part of why i'm really enjoying taunt incin

[molten oasis]

Which I’m fine with cuz, I like shifu and bolt

Incin’s growing on me a little bit

[rustic mountain]

i just love my fake out/blitz/knock off/p shot

[molten oasis]

Scarf Tera water shifu has swept entire games for me it’s fun

[rustic mountain]

but yea so many moves u wanna run onnit

scarf watershifu the best watershifu rn

[molten oasis]

100%

And I don’t have to run max speed

[stone trellis]

Band Tera Water Shifu in rain on his way to do 50% to an Archaludon with a resisted move:

[molten oasis]

No CSR=bulky scarf shifu

[rustic mountain]

im kinda bulky

i dont wanna trade off too much damage tho

especially in spots i dont have pao

[molten oasis]

I go 156+, enough to outspeed flutter and pao, then bulk

[stone trellis]

Remember, 108 HP / 100 SpD or 12 HP / 156 SpD to live 100 Modest Raging Bolt Tclap.

[rustic mountain]

what flutter u outspeeding w/ that haha 90% are speed booster

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen specs and booster spA

It matters if they’re forced to pivot too

[rustic mountain]

me too but its not often

[molten oasis]

Ik, I lead shifu Hearthflame into flutter

[stone trellis]

And why 156+? That hits 150.

[molten oasis]

Adamant

[dense latch]

well damn im playing this guy now

[rustic mountain]

hahaha

[molten oasis]

There’s no reason to play jolly shifu

[rustic mountain]

u have the blueprint

[stone trellis]

Unless it's Band.

[dense latch]

what was your last?

[molten oasis]

Even on band I’d go adamant

[rustic mountain]

pao

which u dont have

[dense latch]

:(

[molten oasis]

More damage

I’m also, not scared of band shifu unless it’s under tr, it’ll die to tclap or wood hammer

[stone trellis]

I haven't because it allows me to outspeed Flutter with Tailwind.

[molten oasis]

That’s the one reason I see jolly shifu

[rustic mountain]

adamant shifu >

[molten oasis]

Is for flutter, But otherwise adamant>

[rustic mountain]

just live w/ the trade offs

[dense latch]

his incineroar was faster than my rillaboom

[stone trellis]

And if Jolly Tera Water Choice Band won't kill, why would Adamant?

[molten oasis]

Max speed incin for slow pivots

[stone trellis]

How fast is your Rilla?

[dense latch]

gg wp

[molten oasis]

That 10% matters

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

i shouldve known bc of the ability order i just didnt bother checking

[stone trellis]

Find me a calc where it actually matters.

[rustic mountain]

yea def gta keep tabs on that

[molten oasis]

Maybe not as much on a band set but that’s why I play adamant pao

[rustic mountain]

happens tho

[molten oasis]

Ok

Do you have pao or rain?

[stone trellis]

Neither, if I remember correctly.

[molten oasis]

Ok

Hm, yeah you either barely don’t kill or overkill

With adamant

[stone trellis]

Precisely.

[dense latch]

im not built for this reg at all lmao

[stone trellis]

How come?

[dense latch]

this reg just feels so different to me

like no matter what i do or try i just keep losing

[stone trellis]

Are you more of an I/J type of person?

[dense latch]

h

[stone trellis]

Ah, the brimstone one.

[dense latch]

it was probably the reg i was most successful in personally

[stone trellis]

Same.

[foggy lodge]

This is the stuff you miss on showdown but you instantly notice on cart

Cart > showdown every day of the week

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Weezing-Galar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bide, Body Slam, Brutal Swing, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Explosion, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, Natural Gift, Payback, Play Rough, Rage, Return, Rollout, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Tackle, Take Down, Thief

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Belch, Clear Smog, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Fairy Wind, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Infestation, Misty Explosion, Overheat, Psybeam, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Smog, Snore, Spit Up, Strange Steam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Venoshock, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Aromatherapy, Aromatic Mist, Attract, Captivate, Confide, Corrosive Gas, Curse, Defog, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Grudge, Haze, Memento, Mimic, Misty Terrain, Pain Split, Poison Gas, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Spite, Stockpile, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swallow, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Venom Drench, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Weezing-Galar.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XuvQ23bSs

insane video

[real prairie]

ive only shared that in here twice 😭

my pain aside, fully agree

[rustic mountain]

give urself some grace the formats just coming back

really figure out what it is thats causing u to lose

[next stump]

SHIT sorry

[rustic mountain]

r u playing too passive? r ppl seemingly overprepared for ur team comp and ur not sure how to adjust? is it specific pokemon giving u trouble

[next stump]

I'm really trying to find an OTS of this team I want but I can't

well let me rephrase - with EVs

[dense latch]

yea this is what im struggling with
i think it might be the second one, feels like everyone has their lines into japan balance

[rustic mountain]

y is it insane

[dense latch]

i just dont think any other team would be enjoyable for me, at least the ones i've seen

[next stump]

It's got something for everyone

and it's very organized into archtypes

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[next stump]

only downside is the versions with EVs (that Talon himself recreated but he's smart) is walled behind patreon

[rustic mountain]

gotta figure out then how to adjsut ur own gameplan into said teams and go from there. whether its swappin a mon or 2, changing a tera, item ev spread

something that gives u an edge outside what peoples expectations are. or u just play differently then wat they expect

like for me, cm bolt is cool but im not bringing it every game

also a lot of ppl disrespect urshi and think oh i hav these 1 or 2 counters they wont bring it so i just bring it anyway

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2493666182-dwd816h2rvrh99w8tceuyw4eqe6g372pw

even a game like this, dude had waterpon infront of my face and im just clicking surging being like, ur not gna attack this slot thinking imma switch

[rustic mountain]

ofc

eh its fine usually ev spreads arent too problematic if u have a ballpark where they r usually at

and u can adjust as u go

[next stump]

it is so insane how the math changes so heavily between investing in HP vs. DEF against urshifu

It can be like 5-10% different damage pretty easily

[rustic mountain]

frfr

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1002: Chien-Pao

Types

Dark/Ice

Abilities

Sword of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/80/90/65/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.29.0

[next stump]

why the fuck is chien-pao so heavy

40BP heavy slam from dondozo

a literal whale

[molten oasis]

Probably due to it being made of pure ice

[stone trellis]

Ice has a density of 0,92 g/cm³.

That shit is less dense than water.

And also, isn't it made of snow?

I think the sword is making it heavier.

[real prairie]

Anyone want to help us out and take a spot in a draft, someone dropped out so you'd have to take over their team.

It's regulation F

[molten oasis]

Oh it is snow

Tho, it’s also got the ice crystals around its body

[spiral ridge]

its full of fish

[molten oasis]

And the swords probably do a lot

[molten oasis]

Real lol

[real prairie]

Swords

[stone trellis]

It's only one sword, isn't it?

It's just snapped in half.

[spiral ridge]

how heavy is aegislash line

[real prairie]

I hadn't noticed that

[stone trellis]

We really need someone to pick this.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 681: Aegislash

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Stance Change

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/140/50/140/60

Total

500

Weight (Low Kick BP)

53kg (80 BP)

Height

1.7m

Introduced

Generation 6

Other Formes

Aegislash-Blade

Pre-evolution

Doublade

Egg groups

Mineral

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Brown

Sableye version 4.29.0

[molten oasis]

Hm, so most of that weight is likely the snow and ice crystals

Snow can be pretty heavy but, idk

[short quiver]

hey chat i have another interaction question

if my zoro h is disguised as a different mon and i tera it does it still show the illusion or nah

[bold geode]

150 Kg is crazy

It looks thinner than hell

For all the Americans btw that's 335.5 lbs

[rustic mountain]

only wen its hit does its illusion break

[short quiver]

hey i gotta check

[short quiver]

im only asking cuz im fighting paul first and erm

he scary

[split cairn]

Hey, why is Incineroar considered so broken?

Maybe not broken, but stronger than majority of the Pokemons?

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

intimidate, fake out, parting shot, considerable natural bulk, good typing

[split cairn]

But Scrafty gets everything but Parting short and nobody uses that 🤔

It also gets helping hand

[short quiver]

scrafty is also quadruple weak to a very relevant type in vgc

and dark fighting just isnt nearly as good typing as dark fire

among other things that just make incinicringe rediculous

[next stump]

Incineroar just has the perfect supportive pokemon toolkit

[split cairn]

I see

Also can i use prankster move on Dark type or no?

[short quiver]

no

[split cairn]

Will it fail or just go as per the speed?

[short quiver]

unless you’re playing a game before i think gen 7

[short quiver]

it would fail

Pretty sure the wording it uses is that it doesn’t affect them

[split cairn]

I was using Grafaiai with prankster and Metronome

[short quiver]

uhhuh

[split cairn]

Move goes first but i can’t select the target

[short quiver]

metronome is a self targeting move

you target yourself with it

and then it rolls a move at random

There’s an algorithm, but I won’t get into that

[split cairn]

Haha that’s fine, i was just trying to understand if metronome will hit a dark type or not
But i understand now
Thank you

[gentle crag]

arsh_nanda6319 has given 1 Gen Rep to naganohara_akira

[short quiver]

metronome wont hit anything but the move it rolls should be able to

Keyword in that sentence is should

[split cairn]

I understand that,
So hypothetically if metronome rolls to fissure, will that be 30% chance of landing or a guaranteed hit to one of the opponent’s pokemon?
Sorry if the question is dumb

[short quiver]

that one is out of my expertise

sorry

[dense latch]

30%

metronome just pulls a random move and then the move executes as normal

[short quiver]

hi erik

[dense latch]

hi

[split cairn]

I see,
Thank you
It would be hella funny if i ever manage to land a priority fissure

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1764900366:R>.

[short quiver]

sheer cold and horn drill crying in a corner

[dense latch]

went on an alt ladder is going much better now

[rustic mountain]

seems we took some of my advice

[dense latch]

the win streaks from low ladder helped the mental a bit

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Filters

• Has the ability Inner Focus
• Learns Helping Hand

Results (25)

Farfetch’d, Drowzee, Hypno, Hitmonchan, Kangaskhan, Dragonite, Dragonite-Mega, Umbreon, Girafarig, Sneasel, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Snorunt, Glalie, Riolu, Lucario, Gallade-Mega, Throh, Sawk, Mienfoo, Mienshao, Indeedee, Kubfu, Annihilape

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.29.0

[next stump]

rank 1 bo1 OTS

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-cute-entei-blink-stare-gif-17377832

[rustic mountain]

japan balance in all its glory

running mostly the same, few tera differences tho

oh and knock off over wisp on incin

[dense latch]

tree how has tera water lando been for u?

[rustic mountain]

no complaints really

def something ive considered changing tho

iirc i was tera poison last go around

[dense latch]

im on steel rn bc i would never tera lando when it was poison

resisting eforce is nice tho i havent tested that out yet

[rustic mountain]

steel seems nice

i get all 3 use cases

water just feels very neutral

good specifically vs watershifu or chien pao, waterpon if they r trynna ivy cudgel u

but punishing in some ways vs rilla, bolt (not always) etc

[dense latch]

it’s a shame there’s no regionals this month

[rustic mountain]

eh gives ppl a chance to get reacclimated

regionals now would just be whats been good basically

u give players a month theres gna b some innovation

[stone trellis]

You portray me as some kind of demon.

I'm not that good in this format, man.

[waxen dock]

oh its the showdown ots nevermind

[short quiver]

you're the devil himself

[shadow wind]

That’s my goat

[stone trellis]

Am I now?

[solid frigate]

@rustic mountain

[stone trellis]

By the way, can Beat Up go through Protect if it's targetting an ally?

[foggy lodge]

no

https://x.com/TheKingVillager/status/1996508702753612035?s=20

TheKingVillager (@TheKingVillager)

Starting to realize Reg F is a format of like 20 S+ Pokemon but no actual team is better than B+

X · Dec 4, 2025, 9:15 AM

[stone trellis]

Aight then.

[stone trellis]

That strategy's out of the picture.

[bold geode]

Real

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2494121258-8xs54f6k2vlqlg5ji1q16auonl82qjxpw

[waxen dock]

fr

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2494150341
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2494154151

[stone trellis]

Are you guys in any VGC servers?

[next stump]

I’m in a couple other ones, mostly for tournaments

like Team Illinois for the U.S. VGC tournament

[stone trellis]

Shit.

So we really are screwed.

Another one of our members left the draft league group chat.

We're down to 6 of the original 8 members and the battles haven't even begun yet.

[short quiver]

so it’s possible if I ever go to a regional you might be there?

[next stump]

yeah there's a pretty good chance

[short quiver]

also hi neighbor

[next stump]

I got to maybe 30-40% of the regionals in the US

hello 😄

[short quiver]

Have you gotten any snow in Illinois?

It’s looked like London here for two weeks

[next stump]

yeah it was reallyyyyy bad last weekend