competitive_discussion

[waxen dock]

But this is the last week

[short quiver]

so no got it

[stone trellis]

I don't do Bo3.

[solid frigate]

Religiously do Bo3 Kek

[real prairie]

ah cool, quite surprised at one stage I was higher than you on a ladder then.

only the once mind

[stone trellis]

Why?

I've been in this game for a little over 10 months.

[real prairie]

But you are clearly very good

And I force Ludicolo into teams 🤣

[stone trellis]

Am I?

1569 is not that good of a rank.

[solid frigate]

It’s like Mid-High elo

But mostly we look at consistency

[real prairie]

Yeah usually around where I sit tbf, its pretty good. top 1% for sure

@stone trellis not sure if registration is still open or not, but maybe for future you could represent Greece: https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1993681145272095173

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

Only 16 teams remain from the 58 that participated from the Qualifiers. This is the Play-Offs bracket! 👀

One of these paths will lead a team to be crowned 2025 World Cup of VGC Champions! Who do you think it will be? 🏆

🌐 https://t.co/OmgOIGJBD5 🌐

X · Nov 26, 2025, 2:00 PM

[next stump]

It’s not still open 🙁 but next summer everyone should apply for their country

It’s a very fun tournament

[real prairie]

Would still love to run our own tournament at some stage, but need to work out the logistics of it

[solid frigate]

Hong Kong being Shifu makes so much sense

[real prairie]

us being Solgelo does not lol

[solid frigate]

That’s UK lol

US is VICTINI

[real prairie]

us not US

lol

[solid frigate]

Isn’t England’s National Animal is a lion

[real prairie]

this is true

although is a hawaiian pokemon

[solid frigate]

I mean Pyroar is French Pokémon and we don’t have that much Lion Pokemon

[stone trellis]

You're NDM.

[stone trellis]

I will not.

[solid frigate]

Hong Kong and UK being in the same bracket in Top 16

Idk who to root for lol

[real prairie]

?

[real prairie]

fair enough

[stone trellis]

The UK has Necrozma.

[solid frigate]

Dusk Mane

[real prairie]

oh right

[stone trellis]

Quite fitting, since that's Necrozma stealing Solgaleo's body.

[real prairie]

yeah thats a bit more valid

[solid frigate]

I’m cooked on seeing my represented Country and my home city is fighting each other

[real prairie]

its a win-win for you

like when i watched England vs Italy in the euros finals lol

[solid frigate]

Speaking of Italy

I remember that HK beaten Italy in Fencing during the Olympics

Man I was hyped as hell

[stone trellis]

Also, why the fuck is Greece using Suicune?

[real prairie]

roaming island hopper i guess

[stone trellis]

Because islands = water and Suicune's definitely the most recognisable Water type?

Ah yes, because Greece is 102% island with a 2% margin of error.

[real prairie]

🤣

[stone trellis]

It's not like the islands collectively make up around 10% of the country's total area (that's an estimate, don't get on my ass for it).

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/torrentaegisvgc/status/1993700559908741353?s=46

TorrentAegisVGC | Morris Ma 🇬🇧🇭🇰 (@TorrentAegisVGC)

You gotta be kidding me

How am I suppose to root for any of the teams lol

X · Nov 26, 2025, 3:17 PM

[stone trellis]

I just hope Greece loses.

So @short quiver had an interesting idea.

We should lowkey do a VGC Reg F draft.

[waxen dock]

why?

[waxen dock]

agree

[stone trellis]

Because I hate my country.

Would you be in for one if we decided to do it?

[waxen dock]

hmm ok

[stone trellis]

There probably won't be any money involved, so...

Anyway, I'll need to decide a price for all 700-something mons that are legal in Reg F.

[real prairie]

Id have a go too

[solid frigate]

I might just join UK’s side since I am in UK now

I’m a traitor lol

[waxen dock]

only for real mons

[stone trellis]

That leaves us with a small pool.

We'll need at least 80 Pokemon to choose from.

And I doubt there's more than 50 good Pokemon in Reg F.

[real prairie]

Just ensure you include the pineapple mon

🤣

TBF im happy to help you build it out Paul

[stone trellis]

Thanks.

@waxen dock Check DMs.

Nevermind, he joined.

[solid frigate]

Actually ummmmm

This server has a VGC reg F draft league before

Just in a Seperate server

[stone trellis]

Oh.

I'm not joining a different server for all that, I can't lie.

[solid frigate]

I know this cuz I was playing Blastoise and Iron Boulder that time lol

[stone trellis]

Oh well, we're still doing one.

[upper zealot]

idk how they let me draft all this

for my last pick im getting slaking

[stone trellis]

Is UBM that good in Reg F?

Why the fuck would it be worth 19 points?

[solid frigate]

Depends on flexibility and power

[stone trellis]

Good way of not answering either of my questions.

[next stump]

In a limited format like draft Ursa BM is gonna be much better than in the regular metagame of Reg F

[upper zealot]

it has a lot of set versatility

[next stump]

can be run slow in TR, can be run fast with TW, yawn leftovers, etc.

[stone trellis]

Thanks for the explanation.

So the price is determined both by actual competitive viability and set variety, right?

If a Pokemon was excellent competitively but only had one actual set, would that make it a 15 or a 17?

[dense latch]

price sometimes is a bit inflated for competitively viable pokemon but they’re just not picked

wolfey explains it well with sneasler as an example

it’s an amazing pokemon in the context of the reg h meta so it was one of the highest priced mons but it’s just not as good in draft since 1. not as flexible 2. relatively easy to plan and counter if you just add a psychic move 3. meta is different in draft

at least on cts draft leagues mons with abilities like frisk can be very valuable

[dense latch]

it will kinda depend on the draft organizer

sometimes an excellent mon will still be a high priced mon, but it just won’t be picked

[short quiver]

its ridiculously flexible

[short quiver]

that is quite a stacked team

wyrdeer for only 3 points is wild

[real prairie]

Anyone else want to take part in the reg F draft?

[short quiver]

yo @jade dust you interested we need one more person

paul recommended you and i thought you would be great for our draft

[jade dust]

What are we doing?

A draft?

Sure

[short quiver]

yeah a reg f draft

[vernal shadow]

Do I swap indeedee to terra grass from steel ? I was doing fine with it in showdown yesterday but I'm thinking that if I had it as terra grass, it could drop safety goggles and run psychic seeds

[foggy lodge]

Sounds fine tho think that most of the time you don't really want to tera Indeedee into a lot of stuff

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2488848182-bvaoc11u6vardkoubpqw8a4ruc67b2jpw

🥱

[molten oasis]

Imagine playing donbozo

[real prairie]

Morning

[waxen dock]

This guy had bad positioning,bad plays so he deserved to lose

[timber falcon]

what even was the turn 3 plan?

[waxen dock]

why does it feels like i play more seriously on cart than on sd?

like i even makes plays in a few seceonds in sd but in cart in can even take a minute

[next stump]

I think most people are like that, it’s hard to pinpoint why

for me personally it’s probably because on showdown there’s no pressure, you can always make a new account

whereas on cart there’s just one account or tournament or whatever you’re in

[waxen dock]

thats not it

i feel like its not related to the account, or the tour

[foggy lodge]

Maybe its just playing the game itself

Cart catches more your attention and you need to move more around the menu to confirm your actions

That means even unconsciouslly you think more about the possible actions + the game itself is more flashy and makes you keep more of your attention on it

Meanwhile showdown you just click buttons

Showdown is like playing an excel versión of the game I think

[shadow wind]

I think dynamic speed made so many mons irrelevant

[stone trellis]

How come?

[shadow wind]

Bulky tailwind setters just don’t exist

No Suicunes or Zapdos around

Also mons like Cress got worse because slow icy wind is just worse than fast icy wind

But before a slow icy wind was the exact same

[foggy lodge]

Volcarona my goat

[shadow wind]

The only exception right now

[foggy lodge]

I mean I don't think slow tailwind is bad but its mainly just because those mons happen to have a lot of tools + tailwind to justify them

But slow tailwind is not justifiable niche anymore

[shadow wind]

Roaring moon would’ve

But he gets bent over

A bulkier tailwind anyway

[foggy lodge]

What tailwind setters exist

Tornadus Whimsicott Talonflame for priority

[shadow wind]

Dynamic speed just pushed HO way too far imo

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2489337110

[foggy lodge]

Fast tailwind with Roaring Moon Iron Jugulis uhhhh

[stone trellis]

Why the wilted rose?

[foggy lodge]

There has to be more right

[molten oasis]

Moon’s fine

[stone trellis]

There's also Murkrow for the insane.

[shadow wind]

Cause it looks like it wasn’t done right

[foggy lodge]

Murkrow for priority yeah

[shadow wind]

It’s missing the big grey box

[foggy lodge]

I think the replays links are broken

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[foggy lodge]

I sent one earier today and it happened the same

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[foggy lodge]

I mean they work but it doesn't show that rectangle yeah

[shadow wind]

He gets super shafted by FWG fake out squad and Flutter

[foggy lodge]

Okay but following the tailwind ehhh what

[shadow wind]

Like he isn’t terrible but he has a lot of bad MUs

Like imagine if trick room wasn’t -7 prio

Game breaking

A whole extra turn too

[foggy lodge]

Okay and Volcarona for slow tw

Smeargle has run it a bit too

[shadow wind]

Like once ever

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2489340086

[foggy lodge]

2*

[shadow wind]

🥀

[stone trellis]

I made a Pokemon who did that once and it's probably not even in the top 10 strongest non-restricteds I've made anymore.

To be clear, he reversed the priority of all attacks besides Protect and all of its variants, so things like Focus Punch were now at +3.

[shadow wind]

Going before protects 🥀

[stone trellis]

After.

[foggy lodge]

I forgot about Pelipper damn

[stone trellis]

Protect is +4.

Wide Guard and Quick Guard are +3.

[shadow wind]

Oh right

That’s what I was thinking of

[molten oasis]

Ok but like

[stone trellis]

Couple that with its typing of Bug-Steel, some great stats and a signature move that raises the ally's Defense and Special Defense by 1 stage each and you can understand why it's kinda cracked.

[molten oasis]

You don’t lead moon into fake out guys

And flutter is manageable

[stone trellis]

I wish Shednight was real, man.

[molten oasis]

With your partners

Idt moons that bad

[shadow wind]

The whole format 🥀

Moon isn’t bad I do think he’s just in an unfortunate spot though

[foggy lodge]

Just went for shadow knock off into an Entei as the Ogerpon protected

Always attack the mon that can't protect gang

[shadow wind]

Real

But always fake out the Mon that can protect

They think you’ll always fake out the other guy

[foggy lodge]

Always fake out the one that can't protect and always surging strikes the one that can❤️

[shadow wind]

Word

Urshifu NEEDS to go

[foggy lodge]

Oh fs

We need the unseen fist nerf on champions asap

[stone trellis]

50% would be nice.

[foggy lodge]

I would put it to 25%

Like the dynamax and z moves

[stone trellis]

I'd argue that since it's way lower power than Max moves and Z-moves, it doesn't deserve to be held to the same standard as them.

1/3 is the lowest I'd see as reasonable.

[foggy lodge]

I remember that someone suggested to rework detect to just dodge the attacks instead of being a protect recolor

That way detect mons can protect infront of shifu

[stone trellis]

Oh, this would be super fun.

Sash Shifu VS Sash Shifu endgame.

Both alternate between Surging Strikes and Detect until one runs out of PP on Detect first.

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/3e174f78b2f16402

This team was able to get 3rd at EUIC during Reg F, pretty cool team overall

the team creator really likes porygon from reading their team report back then

[foggy lodge]

I thought about using that team

Is the roaring boosted speed or attack?

[shadow wind]

I would assume attack ?

[foggy lodge]

Can you send the team report?

[next stump]

ye lemme see if I can find it

can’t find a report, i swear i read one, but he did share the paste back when the tourney happened

https://x.com/jorivgc/status/1777651046531092947?s=12

Jorijn (@JoriVGC)

Rental and pokepaste
https://t.co/zOYu5T7X2R

X · Apr 9, 2024, 10:53 AM

https://pokepast.es/f6223c3ae3b06a5d

[dense latch]

yea that’s attack boosting moon

it won an australian regional too right

[timber falcon]

how did it operate with incin getting in the way?

[shadow wind]

Landorus 🔥🔥🔥

[next stump]

Super bulky specs Ghold is awesome

This team apparently came from Baars Kaas who gave me my NAIC team a couple years ago, very very good teambuilder

[fallen dove]

thatd be so cool icl

detect j makes u have ultra instinct fr

[shadow wind]

When are we getting a wide guard ability

We have 3 quick guard abilities

[rustic mountain]

wat u are witnessing is a dozo player who doesnt know wat to do wen their lines fall apart

🧑‍🏫

[shadow wind]

I can finally pay attention to chat

Just got done driving 2 and a half hours 🙏

Only went into the ditch 1 time !

[foggy lodge]

Dozo players when protect toxic spikes protect astral barrage switch into dozo tatsugiri doesn't work

[shadow wind]

Real

I swear as soon as it starts snowing people forget how to drive

Man I sound like I’m 42 saying that

[stone trellis]

Reminds me of when we went to Athens last year.

Because I'm from the north, we're pretty used to snow and driving while it's snowing.

[shadow wind]

Like it’s not that hard

[stone trellis]

But when we were just outside Athens, it had around 3 cm of snow on the road.

And we had a huge blockage because nobody knew what to do.

[shadow wind]

Dang

The worst part is that I’m still in northern Canada 😭

[stone trellis]

Mate, it's three centimetres of snow, that stuff melts with a wet fart.

[shadow wind]

Y’all KNOW how to drive in this

To be fair it wasn’t even like a snow problem

2 way highway and someone tried to pass and didn’t see me apparently

Very close to a head on collision 😝

But like why are we trying to pass when you know you can’t see if there’s a car there

If I didn’t swerve into the ditch I think it would’ve hurt

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2489388460

[bold geode]

I got it
That equation equals hot dog

[stone trellis]

Average CSR-Zama player's intelligence:

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[stone trellis]

Sorry, I meant CSR-Korai.

CSR-Zama players now know when wasting PP on Wide Guard will get their Zamazenta killed.

They're not as moronic anymore.

[shadow wind]

What’s the average Groudon player intelligence

Just remember there’s about 5 people to average out

[thorny widget]

At this point, is average reg I/Ubers player's intelligence: 🐒

[solid frigate]

Yeah actually no they cooked a lot of good ass teams

And they aren’t bad players

You should say Reg J lol

[short quiver]

chat my friend is listening to fnaf music without me is this betrayal

[ember jungle]

Anyone have any suggestions for a stats set-up for Reg J for Thundurus or Tornadus?

[short quiver]

you can always check munchstats

[left bobcat]

🍗

[ember jungle]

Cool, thanks. I’ve been following rentals, but I figured stats might be different than Landorus in the set I’ve been using, lol

[gentle crag]

drastorm has given 1 Gen Rep to naganohara_akira

[short quiver]

munchstats has a lot of different common sets for every mon used in the reg

[rustic mountain]

[lost sun]

any changes I should make to this

other than expanding force

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu would fit better than Incin here

[lost sun]

I've updated a few things

[solid frigate]

This is literally just Gio’s Worlds winning team but chi Yu is absent and Incineroar is taking his job

[lost sun]

ye I realised that after I swapped out indeedee for ursa

team I've had for a few months and just started recently playing again

[solid frigate]

You can just use that team and it basically plays more offensively

[lost sun]

I'll stick with incin for now but I might try chi yu

[rustic mountain]

incin goated

[real prairie]

Looking at this all i can think of is Safety goggles Taunt Incin ruining P2

[cyan smelt]

i feel like i need a reintroduction to vgc with reg f lol

[cyan smelt]

i definitely want to use durshifu

[stone trellis]

Just call it Darkshifu.

[cyan smelt]

Darkshifu then, poison jab tera poison seems good for all the tera fairies

And ogerpons and rillas

[real prairie]

I feel something needs an immunity to fairy, its far too strong even resisted

[cyan smelt]

Make bug immune to fairy, then people might use it 💔

[real prairie]

Scizor would suddenly be goated

does technician boost acrobatics after the item is consumed?

[cyan smelt]

I don't think so

[real prairie]

I wonder if Scizor is the answer to my problems, it OHKOs 60hp/60def Flutter without any Atk investment and Flutter is like an instant L for my team

[cyan smelt]

Isn't flutter usually seen with chi yu

[real prairie]

which is fine as im running rain

[cyan smelt]

Scizor in rain seems decent

[real prairie]

im quite surprised by this:

252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 132-156 (79 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone trellis]

How about CB?

Or even Lorb?

[cyan smelt]

Metal coat

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Scizor in Rain: 220-264 (124.2 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[cyan smelt]

Yikes

[stone trellis]

188+ Atk Technician Scizor Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 168-200 (100.5 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[stone trellis]

Yeah, even Ting-Lu can't save that shit.

[cyan smelt]

Chi yu is busted

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Scizor in Rain: 168-196 (94.9 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[real prairie]

The idea was killing it before it could do anything, but then come to think whats the priority level of bullet punch?

[real prairie]

Killer flutter and die leaving a -2 chi yu, that's a pretty good shift

[stone trellis]

+1.

BPunch is +1.

@real prairie

[real prairie]

So would be the same as whims priority but it's faster

So can't stop it TW

[stone trellis]

Yeah, the only attacks with more than +1 priority are Feint, Extreme Speed, Upper Hand and Fake Out.

[real prairie]

Maybe Dnite is just the answer then

[stone trellis]

How?

[real prairie]

Espeed to kill before prio

tera + iron head for the flutter

[real prairie]

Anyone else have issues with the filters on SD?

[fallen dove]

theres only ever one answer

flutter mane this, incineroar that

idgaf, pick up, mr craw is ON THE PHONE

[upper zealot]

mr craw probably dies to fairy wind

[tiny karma]

Move: Fairy Wind

No additional effect.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[next stump]

we are just 3 short days away from probably never seeing sneasler dominate another SV tournament

🙏

[shadow wind]

Hip hip hooray

[bold geode]

Cuz people don't use it with Iron Crown smh

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2489891015-ihte23nas1mofh3knd2q08dg0xdu4jrpw

[molten oasis]

Shifu>

[bold geode]

Wicked Blow me

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-sad-shaq-dismissed-shaq-shaquille-o'neal-gif-17893105500149090374

[bold geode]

Bro's never seen the card

[stone trellis]

I think I'm improving my Bolt balance MU.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2489920535-cxr800fs6lkm5s04imguln6er7u4b2rpw

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 726: Torracat

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/85/50/80/50/90

Total

420

Sableye version 4.29.0

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

Not Torracat💔

[shadow wind]

We cannot be serious

Ain’t even a dark type

That’s like 80% of Incins identity

[bold geode]

Holy misplays from your opponent Batman

Crazy it even took them that long to tera

Crazy they didn't Tera on T1 or Sucker the Regi with Pao

[dense latch]

i've never seen someone so scared of losing a landorus

just switch the guy out

[bold geode]

@stone trellis just wondering
How much does that Tantrum do to non tera Bolt

[dense latch]

156+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 148 HP / 100 Def Raging Bolt: 140-168 (63.9 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

if it did 33% after tera then i imagine the roll is something like this

unless it's jolly and it's a high roll

[shadow wind]

Where’s Groudon when you need a ground type move

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-dog-doin-pokemon-knc-landorus-therian-gif-22207274

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-teal-mask-bloodmoon-ursaluna-ursaluna-hisuian-goodra-gif-18109588132323029361

[shadow wind]

Twin you just saw the calc

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-strong-style-ursaluna-gif-25188768

Nothing that this guy can’t do

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

Guy has 140 Atk + guts + headlong

I won’t argue that but Lando was stretching it

[dense latch]

not to mention incin could've switched in and made that calc like 40% instead 😭

[stone trellis]

It's max Attack Jolly and it was a high roll.

To be honest, nothing was really stopping Tera Steel Drago past a certain point.

And also, DE turn 1 would've made this game end way faster.

I legit assumed they would Tera turn 1.

[dense latch]

their turn 3 sealed the deal
if they just switched the lando slot into incin their position becomes so much better

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2489999865

[bold geode]

@stone trellis anyways what I was gonna say
I think that game you played well
But one thing for that match in particular that I hope you realize as well is it that it was easier cuz they also misplayed quite a bit

[bold geode]

Curious of two things

1. Why no Flash Fire Heatran (just the better ability)
2. What possessed you to set up that Light Screen

Also don't berate yourself or think you're bad
Keeping those thoughts actively make you worse at the game

[foggy lodge]

Stuttgart tomorrow damn

[dense latch]

genuinely more interested in stuttgart tcg than another reg h regional

[bold geode]

Real imma just cleep tonight LOL

[molten oasis]

I’m not looking at it either

[molten oasis]

Top 60 baybe

[shadow wind]

That’s my GOAT !!!

[cyan smelt]

Why is my motivation to play vgc 0

[ebon pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390374974912594072/1418266499998679080/togif_1.gif

bruhk

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-silver-the-hedgehog-gif-22528367

[bold geode]

I mean sometimes it be like that, don't force it

[cyan smelt]

Still rocking up to a reg h challenge today

[next stump]

good luck!

[cyan smelt]

Ty

[cyan smelt]

Got completely obliterated by kommo-o ribombee

Need to always lead rilla sneasler into that

I'm out of practice

But that's ok

Now I got destroyed by dnite garchomp and dozo

Oh well it's ok that I'm bad at vgc

I've lost 3 out of 3 so far

Keep losing to dozo

I must have faced a turbo dozo because it was faster than incin under tw

[solid frigate]

Do you even HAVE anything against dozo

[cyan smelt]

Rilla, sneasler but tera grass is tricky

I won one and I saw first hand how rubbish hoodra is

Just led rilla and gholdengo into maus hoodra and just set up nasty plots

Anyone know why I got matched up with seniors?

And ykw I'm enjoying myself even if I'm losing

Finished last but it was bo1 for some reason and there's a local tomorrow

[solid frigate]

Rilla Sneasler is a pin no

If they Tera then they get hit by Dire claw

Which is arguably worse

[cyan smelt]

This is tera flying acro sneasler

[solid frigate]

That’s still the same Pin

[cyan smelt]

tera flying acro didn't do nearly enough

should have brought smeargle incin and rilla and sneasler

[stone trellis]

I just watched this video and man, this guy is probably full of shit.
https://youtu.be/3uHH7-fMeH0?si=jF27o1em8J7M6cq0

I scored a 6,2, which would place me in the "racecar" tier, but I honestly value consistency and control much more than speed most of the time.

[cyan smelt]

I don't even know what to use

[stone trellis]

Let's ask the real questions.

How much do you hate Raging Bolt balance?

[cyan smelt]

Seems annoying

[stone trellis]

So on a scale from 1 to 10, how much do you hate it?

[cyan smelt]

I don't know I haven't played much of reg f

[stone trellis]

I have just the team for you.

[stone trellis]

Man, this Joan guy played super well in game 2.

[next stump]

regional day let’s goooo

[next stump]

woah is this wolfey hype video new

[foggy lodge]

ALEX GÓMEZ 7-0

LET'S GOOOOO

[waxen dock]

I may lose travel award

[foggy lodge]

Blastoise is in day 2 what

[waxen dock]

Cuz there is a person 3-3 in stuggurt and he ia from my region

And if he wins i think he gets 200 cp

Cuz i think 4-3 is top 16 or cut(top 16cor better)

[next stump]

I think they only play 6 rounds

[foggy lodge]

Blastoise is such a fraud💔

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

https://tenor.com/view/blastoise-big-man-big-man-blastoise-pokemon-gif-12174893623449636381

[foggy lodge]

Brother it was at +4 and ice beam wasn't even close to killing

[bold geode]

Um
Um

[bold geode]

Bro there's no way Jan-Phillip turns this around

Nah he doesn't

He needs a fuckton of Hurricane misses

[foggy lodge]

He wins

[bold geode]

Bro LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

I don't get what Selahattin was doing

[bold geode]

LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

Wait the Incin was faster LMAO

Then it didn't matter

[dense latch]

wait wtf i left the stream bc i thought it was over

[bold geode]

That's hilarious

[foggy lodge]

I thought it was protect turn 1 hurricane stellar protect

But I guess Selahattin knew he was slowed either way

Still why not aqua jet into Peli?

Bascu wasn't locked into anything in the turn Pelipper tailwind right

[dense latch]

it had just switched in

[solid frigate]

Did I saw a flipping Blastoise

[foggy lodge]

Then it was the missplay

Or was it a 50?

I guess its a 50 uhh

[solid frigate]

What the fuck is the Blastoise even running-

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/blastoise-big-man-big-man-blastoise-pokemon-gif-12174893623449636381

[foggy lodge]

Because the Pelipper can protect and then the Incin dies if you wave crash

[dense latch]

shell smash water spout

[foggy lodge]

But if you don't protect you win with aqua jet

It was a 50/50 yeah nvm I'm just hating

[dense latch]

and the weakest ice beam in europe

[bold geode]

El Incineroar

No
The Blastoise won't do shit now

[solid frigate]

Huh something I did use back in draft league lol

[foggy lodge]

There's no Eshot tho

[foggy lodge]

Selahattin is scared of Blastoise💔

[bold geode]

The turtle has aura ok

EJECT BUTTON SINISTCHA

[foggy lodge]

I'm pretty sure I fought Jay on bo1 ladder dude

[dense latch]

wait that’s an eject button

wtf

[foggy lodge]

And I lost because of that fucking eject button LOL

[bold geode]

Y'know
I hope this version of Incin Rilla wins

[waxen dock]

Prolly some guy copying his team

[foggy lodge]

Nono

It was like a month ago

I remember an Incin Rilla Sinistcha Blursa but I don't remember a Blastoise

[bold geode]

This Archaludon is kind of just sitting here huh

Ope he's going for the 2 turn

@foggy lodge you think he breaks thru this Arch LMAO

[foggy lodge]

The Rilla is HHP

[bold geode]

Or actually yeah they mentioned
Just timer

Yeah timer win here is open

Wait
Incineroar is Tera Ghost

Snarl is an option now

[foggy lodge]

I don't really get why not revolve the gameplan around Archa like Jay has practically only mon to deal with the Archa lakslskdkdk

[bold geode]

Ok yeah Fake Out cycling funny moment

Wait LMAO bro Phillip can lose to his own timer

[solid frigate]

Can he tho

[bold geode]

Fake Out Life Dew LMAO

[solid frigate]

-4 Lol

[bold geode]

LMFAO

[solid frigate]

This is the future of VGC guys

-6 I FUCKING CANT LMFAO

[bold geode]

Hey
Respectable
Going for his outs
It's not horrible

[solid frigate]

Yeah I know lol

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge LMAO he said his whole team gets countered by Archaludon
How tf you go to a regional with that

[foggy lodge]

And how do you lose the round as the Archa player

[bold geode]

Real

[foggy lodge]

Wait is Meowscarada 7-1

[stone trellis]

Edu winning this would be fire.

59%?

[foggy lodge]

I think Derbeste can win this

https://x.com/IbrahimVGC/status/1994676333029269802?s=20

IbiVGC | Day 1 Demon (@IbrahimVGC)

Ready for today 💪🏼🥹

X · Nov 29, 2025, 7:54 AM

Lmfao

Why is Basculegion so high wtf

Oh scarf Bascu + Volca yeah makes sense

AMOONGUSS IS BACK

[waxen dock]

lol

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch we have to bet against eachother

Ursa out noooo

[chrome knot]

@bold geode calm mind fake out

[foggy lodge]

THAT'S A SHADOW BALL P2

Its Incineroars speed tie and Alex wins the only speed tie that he shouldn't win lets be serious

[foggy lodge]

ALEX 9-0 LET'S GOOOOOO

[dense latch]

i haven’t been watching wdym

[foggy lodge]

It was Derbeste vs Pokealex on stream

[dense latch]

o shit

no idea this was another 9 round day 1

[foggy lodge]

Blastoise is out

Why is Malamar 7-2

[dense latch]

theotime’s consistency this reg has been crazy

[bold geode]

Have you succumbed to the Bolt Balance

[chrome knot]

parting shot

[bold geode]

Tera Fairy Farigiraf
(Imma pretend that works)

[molten oasis]

Lando I is 90% of my bolt balance mu lol

[chrome knot]

wood hammer

[bold geode]

I'm convinced no matter what that Bolt Balance and particularly none of my MUs are gonna be consistent
Which sounds bad but like

[chrome knot]

ice spinner!!

wait no im crash now

[bold geode]

Reason being cuz like I've lost bad MU to something happening or them playing great and I've won bad MUs due to other reasons

[molten oasis]

We love chien pao

[chrome knot]

helping hand thunderclaps you @bold geode

[molten oasis]

That team is hella strong it’s gonna be hard

[bold geode]

You're using Helping Hand too?

[chrome knot]

too..?

[molten oasis]

Monke likes helping hand incin

[bold geode]

I like Helping Hand

[molten oasis]

I just wanna play shifu lando Hearthflame stuff

That’s my go to and I think it’s strong

[chrome knot]

i liked it in reg g alot and had 2 friends help me lab it

which i think then everyone started using it lmfao

[molten oasis]

Yep lmao

My team is the Lunala team with crown instead, I’m doing pretty well with it

[chrome knot]

i meant hh incin

put on csr balance

[bold geode]

Also Emma bestie imma be honest
I might bomb this prize pool but I got paid time off for the weekend anyways so fuck it we ball

[molten oasis]

Ah

[chrome knot]

im just there to test toronto team

[molten oasis]

my bad

[bold geode]

Real
Honestly gonna be a great testing grounds

[chrome knot]

ill havr 2 friends & gf over so it should be funnn

[bold geode]

The field so far for it is so stacked

[bold geode]

Also is it just me or have you been fighting a ton of Ursa Cress

[chrome knot]

haven’t been playing

been struggling to stay alive recently 💀

[bold geode]

Damn

[timid mural]

Doee anyone wanna do a synchro vgc quiz(basically we take turns to ask vgc related questions and we need to synchro into a vgc mon based on that question)

[next stump]

synchro?

[timid mural]

Yea

Union

I'll say the code

N16KLM

Nvm

[solid frigate]

Is it the stuff that is on the reels but just for battles

In Cart is not possible since it’s automatically timed

[earnest cloak]

SOMEONE GIVE ME A GOOD ZYGARDE BUILD

[vernal shadow]

Playing Pokémon on Minecraft. Just had to explain to an admin why accidentally setting my special attackers attack IVs to max is a negative and they wouldn't undo it. All bc I won a tourney and I got a Pokémon made shiny.

[bold geode]

#lza_competitive would be the spot for that

[earnest cloak]

Oh ok

[real prairie]

Wolfe video had me screaming at the TV 🤣

[stone trellis]

Apparently Okidogi lives +2 Bolt Tclap...

Interesting.

[stone trellis]

Wouldn't Chien-Pao + Okidogi be a nearly perfect duo?

[foggy lodge]

I think that got top 8 at EUIC

Okidogi really is carrying the Kitakami trio

https://pokepast.es/cc32ac3654182716

[stone trellis]

Who would've guessed that me from April of this year was right about the dog being the GOAT?

[foggy lodge]

Its somehow impresively good

Tbh from the trailer of the first DLC I thought that Okidogi looked a bit too similar to Incin and thought oh this is going to be meta

It wasn't meta but its cool that its genuinely viable

[stone trellis]

Guard Dog is such a fire ability.

[foggy lodge]

Only if it had defiant

[cyan smelt]

I love okidogi

[foggy lodge]

Defiant would make it so much broken

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that shit would be cracked.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1014: Okidogi

Types

Poison/Fighting

Abilities

Toxic Chain, Guard Dog (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/128/115/58/86/80

Total

555

Sableye version 4.29.0

[stone trellis]

Oh, Flutter Mane tried Icy Wind? +2.

[foggy lodge]

What was the other effect of guard dog

[tiny karma]

Ability: Guard Dog

This Pokemon is immune to the effect of the Intimidate Ability and raises its Attack by 1 stage instead. This Pokemon cannot be forced to switch out by another Pokemon's attack or item.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[stone trellis]

So no Red Card?

[dense latch]

or roar

[foggy lodge]

We are inmune to roar wujuu

[cyan smelt]

Can't be forced out

[stone trellis]

Or Roar/Whirlwind, yeah.

Could be nice in certain niche situations.

[foggy lodge]

Ig

I miss roar Farigiraf it was funny

Just 2 years for the Incineroars to start running roar for Xerneas,,,,,

[solid frigate]

Roar is basically just

Fuck you Xerneas button

[dense latch]

my bolt got roared by an incin not too long ago

sad day

[bold geode]

It's pretty solid but the downside is that it's weak in the Spdef side so you really want like Assault Vest

But I think it's a solid niche pick
Actually won something over in Taiwan that was like a regional level event essentially

[stone trellis]

That or Snarl.

[bold geode]

Nah AV

That way you don't have to rely on another button from something else or Dogi to land to take a hit

Especially with all the Landorus Incarnate running around

[stone trellis]

AV isn't as fun, but aight.

[bold geode]

But yeah
Also has a fat toolkit iirc

[tiny karma]

Okidogi's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Close Combat, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Facade, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Force Palm, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Hard Press, High Horsepower, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Metal Claw, Outrage, Poison Fang, Poison Jab, Poison Tail, Psychic Fangs, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, Thunder Punch, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snarl, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Curse, Endure, Howl, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Okidogi.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[stone trellis]

Chien-Pao also bitches Lando-I pretty bad.

If I feel like they'll Tera Steel and EP, I can just go Tera Grass and Drain Punch.

Problem solved.

[bold geode]

Drain Punch
Upper Hand
Knock Off
Low Kick
Gunk Shot
Tantrum
Snarl
That thing is crazy

[bold geode]

Yeah but you commit a lot

Honestly idt you build around Okidogi
It just slots in as a niche guy that does something other mons can't do

Gouging Fire and Okidogi actually has potential imo

[stone trellis]

I can honestly do whatever I want, I'm not gonna lie.

[bold geode]

I mean yeah I'm just giving you my advice/opinion
You can do whatever the fuck you want honestly lol

[stone trellis]

If I can get top 500 on ladder by using Coaching Iron Valiant and Discharge Miraidon, I'm sure this will work out.

And if it doesn't, oh well, that's part of the process.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Y'know like
Y'know what really makes me sad to this day regarding movesets

Have you ever looked at Grimmsnarl's pool

[tiny karma]

Grimmsnarl's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, False Surrender, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Lash Out, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Play Rough, Power Whip, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Revenge, Shadow Claw, Spirit Break, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Focus Energy, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Power Swap, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Trick, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Grimmsnarl.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[bold geode]

Only see the Screens set but like
This thing has a fucking bank of moves

[stone trellis]

And a pretty damn good Attack stat too.

[bold geode]

Yeah
I remember me and Tofu in like D and E we wouldn't even use the screens set
(His idea, I followed lol)
We'd just use the other moves and use Parting Shot as like a pseudo screen and it was fire

[stone trellis]

Fake Out, Lariat/Throat Chop/Spirit Break, Taunt and PS?

[bold geode]

Nah like
Most was like
Sucker
T Wave
Taunt
Maybe a Fake Out or a Spirit Break

[short quiver]

its also a fuck you Pagos button

but what isnt

[foggy lodge]

Astral barrage

I love fishing MU into Calyrex Shadow

[short quiver]

we do not speak of csr

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fern-anger-angry-annoyed-gif-5137243747516951410

[foggy lodge]

Wait its also great into Lunala

Lunala can't break through tera shell with moongeist

Roar is like such a good move on paper but so hard to really pull off

-6 priority makes it too hard to play

[short quiver]

for non-fairy Trick Room situations dragon tail is a niche option

[foggy lodge]

Its somehow worse because it misses

[tiny karma]

Move: Dragon Tail

If both the user and the target have not fainted, the target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. This effect fails if the target used Ingrain previously, has the Suction Cups Ability, or this move hit a substitute.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

its fucking 90 accuracy?

[foggy lodge]

If it was 100 it could maybe be usable

But being 90 and fairy being inmune kills it

[short quiver]

yeah no just use roar

[tiny karma]

Move: Whirlwind

The target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. Fails if the target is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party, or if the target used Ingrain previously or has the Suction Cups Ability.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

also negative priority

[foggy lodge]

This is just a reskin of roar right

Wait roar goes through protect i didn't know that LMAO

[dense latch]

neutral priority on switch out moves would be kinda crazy

[foggy lodge]

Yeah fs

[dense latch]

you learn ts the hard way 😭

[foggy lodge]

Tho -6 is a bit excessive no?

[dense latch]

could be worse

[foggy lodge]

You can't even stop TR consistently if you are slower

[tiny karma]

Move: Trick Room

For 5 turns, the Speed of every Pokemon is recalculated for the purposes of determining turn order. During the effect, each Pokemon's Speed is considered to be (10000 - its normal Speed), and if this value is greater than 8191, 8192 is subtracted from it. If this move is used during the effect, the effect ends.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

-7

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[dense latch]

you can

[foggy lodge]

Oh its -7 nvm

I thought they were tying in priority

[dense latch]

i’ve seen it a bit as tr counters on ladder

i’ve seen toppowoppo use it on imprison mons before he sets his tr

[shadow wind]

I used roar on Gouging fire for that once

[foggy lodge]

Roar Roaring Moon

[shadow wind]

That’s when I finished T300 on cart

[foggy lodge]

What mons even have ran this move

Incineroar Farigiraf and

[shadow wind]

Bout it really

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

I think Skarmory uses whirlwind in singles lol

To cycle stealth rocks and shit

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Learns Roar

Results (341)

Arceus-Dragon, Arceus-Electric, Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Fighting, Arceus-Fire, Arceus-Flying, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Grass, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Ice, Arceus-Poison, Arceus-Psychic, Arceus-Rock, Arceus-Steel, Arceus-Water, Tepig, Pignite, Emboar, Emboar-Mega, Lillipup, Herdier, Stoutland, Zebstrika, Sandile, Krokorok, Krookodile, Darumaka, Darmanitan, Darmanitan-Zen, Scraggy, Scrafty, Scrafty-Mega, Archen, Archeops, Zorua, Zorua-Hisui, Zoroark, Zoroark-Hisui, Eelektross, Eelektross-Mega, Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus, Beartic, Druddigon, Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Keldeo, Keldeo-Resolute, Chespin, Quilladin, Chesnaught, Chesnaught-Mega, Litleo, Pyroar, Pyroar-Mega, Skiddo, Gogoat, Pancham, Pangoro, Furfrou, Tyrunt, Tyrantrum, Amaura, Aurorus, Sylveon, Avalugg, Xerneas, Volcanion, Litten, Torracat, Incineroar, Gumshoos, Gumshoos-Totem, Rockruff, Rockruff-Dusk, Lycanroc, Lycanroc-Midnight, Lycanroc-Dusk, Mudbray

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

Can confirm that

[foggy lodge]

Scream Tail learns it

[solid frigate]

No Max don’t think of something diabolical

[foggy lodge]

I mean its usable LOL

[dense latch]

colagrito ❤️

[foggy lodge]

Tho to run roar on a mon its like

[solid frigate]

Don’t run it with scream tail out of all things lol

[dense latch]

i need a spanish raging bolt

or any raging bolt for that matter i have violet 💔

[foggy lodge]

I think it asks you for too specific conditions

Like its a crazy meta call imo but also you can only really use it on a support

[solid frigate]

I kinda just asked in trading General

[foggy lodge]

Mine is Germany LMAO

Furienblitz

[molten oasis]

Mine is American

[foggy lodge]

boo

[solid frigate]

Mine is SP-EN

[molten oasis]

I’m boring I know

[foggy lodge]

But btw erik if you need mons I can share them I don't really use my console

[solid frigate]

Boom

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

anyway

I’ve had my fun with real mons it’s time to find something off meta to run

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile me back to square one

[foggy lodge]

I thought your team was the off meta LMAO

Use Clefairy

[molten oasis]

Was it really?

I’d argue crown is like, the most out there thing and it’s not even that out there

[foggy lodge]

Drago you are running a cloak crown

[molten oasis]

I CANT USE BOOSTER

[solid frigate]

I thought you mean crown itself lol

[molten oasis]

it’s on moon

Alright the NEXT off meta team

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダービルド-sento-kiryu-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-gif-7510236496758092

[molten oasis]

Tho, unsure what

Okidogi looks neat

[solid frigate]

I’ll try think of something after my Mock exam in Tuesday

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-kiryuu-sento-frustrated-scratching-head-gif-14494357818538469456

[bold geode]

Just run Rain headass

[molten oasis]

Idk, I like shifu hearth lando a lot so, hmm

[solid frigate]

I’m running that already and I’m facing more problematic MUs than I imagined

I don’t need Overwhelming advantage against TR lol

[bold geode]

Well
Figure it out
I mean you're running weaker stuff (cuz Rain is just weaker here than H)
But it can still work

[bold geode]

Oh wow we're running the same bullshit
Yippee

[cyan smelt]

Run snow with articuno

[solid frigate]

You don’t think i am thinking that out while you guys are cooking other stuff

[molten oasis]

It’s good!

[molten oasis]

They cover so much just the three of them it’s lit

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-kiryuu-sento-frustrated-scratching-head-gif-14494357818538469456

[bold geode]

But anyways yeah you're literally like
Just play some shi bro
Established teams
Something meta
No need to go blind and worry in a meta that literally has yet to change

[molten oasis]

Maybe I’ll do smth with bolt

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[molten oasis]

Then like, pao and fari or smth

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

Well here I am at another local

[molten oasis]

Good luck

[dense latch]

pls pls pls

i need a bolt for reg f if you have one i can use that’d be so much help

[cyan smelt]

I don't mind if I lose I just need practice

[foggy lodge]

Sure lmk when you can trade

[cyan smelt]

I love gholdengo + smeargle

Thought I played well my first match, predicted a pop bomb into smeargle

[cyan smelt]

Lost to a mono flying team oh well

[dense latch]

bet i’ll lyk ty

[gentle crag]

eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[cyan smelt]

Just missed top cut, finished 5th

[stone trellis]

Ayyy, you're improving!

[cyan smelt]

I didn't get tilted when I lost, monotype teams are hard to play against

Zard seems like a tricky matchup

[real prairie]

Good man, great work

[stone trellis]

Eric's Sneasler to that Tyranitar in game 2:

[foggy lodge]

Ceree vs Derbese

[stone trellis]

This top 8 has been fucking stacked, man.

[stone trellis]

And if Eric wins, Incin's Reg H streak will be broken.

Luca loves Whimsicott and Farigiraf, doesn't he?

[foggy lodge]

o7 reg H rest in piss

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2490940533

[stone trellis]

I had some hope that Incineroar wouldn't win the final tournament, but I guess that would never happen.

[foggy lodge]

Not in reg H 2

[stone trellis]

This team is looking great so far, I can't lie.

[foggy lodge]

All the EU regionals won by italians

The il server team is crazy

[real prairie]

Hopefully a half Italian can win B'ham then

👀

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2490945788

[stone trellis]

Isn't Birmingham an EU regional?

[real prairie]

Nevermind it sold out 🤣

[stone trellis]

Unless it's the American Birmingham.

[real prairie]

Guess I'm not doing Birmingham then

[real prairie]

It is yeah, and I'm half Italian

[stone trellis]

Ah.

I wish there was a better sun setter than Torkoal or Ninetales so I could actually wreck people with Gouging Fire.

[next stump]

a bit behind the stream, how rich is it that pokemon is advertising local participation when they literally shit on VGC locals this year

such a terrible and sad change

[stone trellis]

What did they do?

[solid frigate]

pray that my parents allow me to go to EUIC

But high chance of not going due to going back to HK

[next stump]

Very long story short, locals need to be hosted by a tournament organizer within a game store. The old system allowed stores to host unlimited amounts of tournaments as long as they had a new organizer every time.

So picture Dillon's Pokemon store - I could host VGC locals every weekend as long as I had willing organizers to help run the tournaments.

They changed the system this year to placing a cooldown on the store, not the tournament organizer. What that means is Dillon's Pokemon store can now only host one local per month. Tournament organizers now have no cooldown, which means any judge can hop between stores and host as many tournaments as they want. While great in theory, there are such few stores that want to host VGC (pretty much across the world) so it leads to there being substantially less tournaments

[solid frigate]

i'm still mad that manchester doesn't have a VGC local-

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's dumb.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2490951210-4nsi7nppyi0yc9olb01qe32a3phbx6opw

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/CbuttyVGC/status/1995151232990958026?s=20

Farigiraf's Strongest Soldier 🔜 Birmingham 🇬🇧 (@CbuttyVGC)...

@kinurincipall And that's us finally done with Reg H 2.0, this format will not be missed

Incineroar won all 12 events in Reg H 2.0, and if you don't include Reg A Gholdengo, is the first Mon to do so in SV

Big congrats to @cereevgc for their regional win!

X · Nov 30, 2025, 3:21 PM

[stone trellis]

Congrats to Luca.

Also, CB Gouging Fire in sun kills everyone, holy shit.

Even resisted hits just get one-shot.

Exhibit A:
196+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Raging Fury vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Dragonite in Sun: 202-238 (102 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Exhibit B:
196+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Raging Fury vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera in Sun: 209-247 (116.7 - 137.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Exhibit C:
196+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Raging Fury vs. 228 HP / 92 Def Incineroar in Sun: 191-225 (95.9 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Exhibit D:
196+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Fire Gouging Fire Raging Fury vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike in Sun: 192-226 (109 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This guy with Coaching would be a fucking nightmare.

[real prairie]

Literally 1 local every 6 months that's over an hour away from me

[next stump]

🙁 Pretty similar here but a bit better, it's around 1 every month or two

and in the last 2 years I've played before this one, it was bare minimum 3 locals per month

[fallen dove]

tbf it is manchester

its like if they hosted a local in croydon lmfao

[solid frigate]

They have TCG locals lmfao

If there are more people who play VGC then it’s possible

After all it’s the big 4 cities in England

[waxen dock]

Tbh idk why out of all cities in england they chose birmingham

but im not even from the eu region so idk why i even care

[bold geode]

Wait so you can't even like cycle more than one guy in a store

[waxen dock]

but i do think they should maybe do it in manchester or liverpool instead

[waxen dock]

the way the whole local system works is just bad

in my region only south africa have locals, which means they have a pretty big advantage

but in other regions i guess locals are better

[next stump]

Nope, one store can only host one challenge per month and one cup every 3 months

even if they want to host most than that

[bold geode]

I hate that

[stone trellis]

We need one person for our draft league.

(It's Reg F)

[next stump]

It’s super shitty 🙁 hopefully they change it once Champions is out

Because it kinda kills the whole “anyone can play in person tournaments” vibe Pokemon wants to achieve

[stone trellis]

We had eight members, but one of them had some problems and couldn't participate.

So now we need one more.

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna have a fun time if they choose manchester

They chose liverpool in 2024 iirc

[molten oasis]

Incin won every single event lmfao

[bold geode]

Yeah
Sadly though I think if they do change it, the earliest they will change it would probably be next season

[short quiver]

is there somewhere i can filter what moves pokemon can learn by breeding in specifically BW and B2W2

its for play through purposes regarding Hyper Voice

[shadow wind]

Serebii has different generations and all the mechanics with breeding for that

[short quiver]

/dr glastrier

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 896: Glastrier

Type

Ice

Abilities

Chilling Neigh

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/145/130/65/110/30

Total

580

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

ill look :3

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/serebiinet/status/1995270218588012871?s=46

@next stump I feel like the reg H vs Reg J confusion is gonna be way more worse now

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: The next Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Ranked Battle Regulation has been revealed: Regulation I will return from January 5th 2026 until an undisclosed date

Allows for up to 2 Restricted Pokémon

Details @ https://t.co/NWlAdn5F0o

X · Nov 30, 2025, 11:14 PM

Just a heads up

[molten oasis]

wtf is that decision making?

[next stump]

wait what LOL

[molten oasis]

Let’s go back to, basically the same format

Why not make it reg f

[dense latch]

i'm so confused

why would they think that's a good idea

[foggy lodge]

Because they hate us

Like there's no coherent explanation for this they just don't want to give us a ladder to practice lmfao

[next stump]

you ready for a crazy theory

what if they’re doing that because japan is going to play their GCs during that timeframe and they’re gonna have those GCs played on Reg I instead of J or F

I don’t actually think that’s why but it would be on brand for them to make Japan play a different format

[foggy lodge]

Maybe?

I know japan sometimes doesn't match the format we use

Maybe it could be that

[molten oasis]

That would suck, probably

[foggy lodge]

And we still can't steal teams from the japanese💔

[dense latch]

like there has to be a reason why they'd make such a small change and apply it specifically in january

[molten oasis]

Yeah we’re stuck with showdown and gc’s

Which is lame cuz ingame ladder is pretty fun

[dense latch]

i cant wait for champions

[molten oasis]

Fr

[foggy lodge]

Bo1 cts ladder FUN?

[molten oasis]

It couldn’t come sooner

[molten oasis]

Yes.

[foggy lodge]

I repeat this all the time but I really can't wait for this game to end😭

[dense latch]

i really liked scarlet and violet when i first played it but after za sv is actually hurting my eyes

[molten oasis]

Because there’s animation and it feels more cinematic

Ok that’s fair SV doesn’t look very good lmao

[foggy lodge]

The problem is that we also haven't got new formats

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

It was so easy to make reg H with paradox or even reg I without tera

And they just chose to not

[dense latch]

i was hoping there'd be some decent black friday offer for the switch 2 but then i remembered black friday consists of socks for 20% off or free shipping for orders over $500 nowadays

[molten oasis]

Reg h with paradox would be so fun

(As in bolt balance would take over dengo balance)

[molten oasis]

1. It’s Nintendo

2. Check cyber Monday for stuff like that

[dense latch]

yea but like the switch 2 is 200 bucks over MSRP where i live

i get export fees and everything but man does it suck ass

[molten oasis]

That sucks ass

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 257: Blaziken-Mega

Types

Fire/Fighting

Abilities

Speed Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/160/80/130/80/100

Total

630

Base Species

Blaziken

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

remember these days chat

[knotty briar]

Good times
Easy ev training that didn't cost my life savings

[short quiver]

just finished ev training my tailow

[knotty briar]

Guts facade is always fun

[short quiver]

yeah no i wont be doing any of that

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

They don’t want us to have fun

[rustic mountain]

frfr

[forest arrow]

Showdown it is I guess

[rustic mountain]

[knotty briar]

As someone who loves trick room, I'm thrilled that I get to use dawn wings Necrozma with CIR again

[dense latch]

i mean reg j was basically reg i anyways

[rustic mountain]

exactly, it sucks

[knotty briar]

TR Magearna was pretty fun to use

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/wjbaxVGC/status/1995179127825977492?s=20

wjbax (@wjbaxVGC)

Top4 in Stuttgart!!!

Proper tweet might arrive later but for now just know that this was my testing going into this regional

(I can only play on cart)

X · Nov 30, 2025, 5:12 PM

If someone ever doubts themselves about showdown elo just look at this lol

[rustic mountain]

i feel like thats kinda disingenuous. most ppl having that elo arent top 4ing a regional

obviously a player who isnt accurately represented by their elo in this case which ofc can happen but it requires a lot more context

[foggy lodge]

Obviously not

Its not a thing about that by having this elo you can do it but its a thing of that showdown elo doesn't necessarily represent how you do at a tournament

[cyan smelt]

That must mean the inverse is true, that you can do badly at a tournament with a high elo

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that just happens a lot

Its a thing of not being delusional basically like

[bold geode]

I mean sometimes Showdown stats like that are kind of just
Not much more than numbers

And sometimes you can just have that run

[foggy lodge]

Yeah while there are cases like William's where showdown doesn't represent how well you can do at a tournament that doesn't mean it will happen to you too

But it also doesn't mean that just because you are not doing well at ladder you will do bad

[bold geode]

But yeah
One thing I absolutely preach like a fucking parrot
Never base your skill off those numbers

[foggy lodge]

You improve by playing against good people and analyzing what you can improve not by reaching numbers basically

That is something I have to improve but

I haven't really done a ladder session in a LOT so I mostly just play like 3 matches every here and then and not analyze

[bold geode]

By basing your skill off the numbers, you easily get to a point where you're like "oh I can't get past this ELO, I must be dogshit" and it's like ok why
Why are you not climbing
How are you dogshit

[foggy lodge]

But to summarize how you do on ladder doesn't have to be attached with how do you do at a tournament

[knotty mirage]

I wonder can mega alakazam be viable when champions comes out

[shadow wind]

It usually never is

And ladder teams aren’t the same as tournament teams

Ladder teams literally have to prepare for every single thing

Tournament teams can usually get away with planning for the more common strategies and team comps and not stressing over the single Hoodra idbp team cause they’ll get knocked out before they ever see them

[shadow wind]

Adding to this, a reason I will never just plug and play a tournament winning team

Cause they planned for the tournament not the ladder

[waxen dock]

I think it should have been reg g

The past months it was reg j but reg j is basically reg i with mythicals

[solid frigate]

I am not doing Reg G again

[stone trellis]

So I can get top 1 on ladder with PTFK?

YES SIRRRRRR

[real prairie]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ML6312fFKcDAWAWwkVbQ7d1zPAhR6QO_ZWxO7yyelzc/edit?gid=173387319#gid=173387319

[stone trellis]

Unrelated, but imagine if we make a video out of the event.

That shit would be fire.

[real prairie]

100 reg F teams, from Talon VGC

[real prairie]

this isn't our thing lol

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I edited it accordingly.

[real prairie]

yeah i was tempted to record all my games, but doesn't really work unless everyone posts theirs too

so just gonna do this one for fun

still gutted i missed out on Bham now

[stone trellis]

Maybe we can agree to post our games.

[real prairie]

hoping i can snatch a refunded ticket closer to the event

[fallen dove]

gonna bring a giratina for reg F

its still gonna be a victim 😭😭

[stone trellis]

Giratina is not even legal in Reg F.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2491607488

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2491610107

[timber falcon]

ive got a question, what happens with protosynthisis mons in the sun when the stat with the highest stat point is equal to another?

for example 177 spatck and speed walking wake

[dense latch]

goes by stat order

attack is prioritized, speed is last in the priority list

so it would boost special attack

[timber falcon]

alright thank you

[fallen dove]

yeah ik that was the joke 😭 that its a restricted and not legal and itd still be ass even if it was

[stone trellis]

Couldn't be my GOAT Rayquaza.

(He's only ever washed if Chien-Pao specifically is legal, else he's cooking)

It's a Dragonite with an arguably better movepool, better offenses, an ability that completely nullifies weather and also access to E-Speed.

Not to even mention Dragon Ascent.

[timber falcon]

untill rayquaza gets fake out and intimidate cycled to oblivion by a certain meta relevant fire cat

[stone trellis]

Clear Amulet, Farigiraf and Urshifu:

[timber falcon]

clear amulet takes up the item slot, which is inferior to the damage output of a choice banded dragonite wirh chien pao for that extra push

[stone trellis]

Fair.

But again, those other two are still strong anti-Incin tools.

[timber falcon]

true, though no matter what they add incin never seems to decrease in usage

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's a team glue Pokemon.

[timber falcon]

incin almost invalidates half the physical sweepers out there

[stone trellis]

The sheer amount of support options it has means that it'll never really stop being used as an offensive support who also helps with positioning and adding a bulkier backbone to the team.

[timber falcon]

the perfect distrupting pokemon unfortunately

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3GlvRvSzN4

[cyan smelt]

Now I want to use okidogi after watching Paul's replays

[molten oasis]

@solid frigate

[stone trellis]

My man!

[left bobcat]

Stole that shi

[stone trellis]

?

[bold geode]

Yeah but you have to use up a restricted slot when you can just use Dragonite

[foggy lodge]

Banded Dnite my beloved

[short quiver]

can anyone tell me what ev spreads mawile would run in gen 6 and 7 vgc

(im playing omega ruby)

[shadow wind]

Sorry what gens?

[short quiver]

haha very funny 😑

XY ORAS SM and USUM

[short quiver]

sumimasen omae sigma janaiyo

[upper zealot]

Mawile @ Mawilite
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Iron Head
• Sucker Punch
• Play Rough
• Protect

this is something i grabbed off smogon

no idea if its good or not

[short quiver]

thanks

[gentle crag]

naganohara_akira has given 1 Gen Rep to coolguy14604

[short quiver]

i just needed the evs im doing my own move stuff

i just looked on showdown and i had a mawile set cooked up idk how i feel about it tho

[shadow wind]

Smogon 🥀

[short quiver]

where do you suggest i get the set from then 🥀

does munchstats go all the way back to 2016

[shadow wind]

Probably not but Smogon isn’t known for being reliable for sets

Like if it’s evs you’re looking for it’s going to be harder than just a moveset

[foggy lodge]

Ngl if you are only playing the adventure 252 atk 252 hp probably goes crazy

Not like the usual ev spread of the adventure which is like 156 atk 92 spa on a physical mon

[shadow wind]

Nah man you got the numbers way too perfect

[foggy lodge]

Probably like 117 atk 87 spa

[shadow wind]

51 hp 66 atk 178 def 98 spatk 112 spdef 3 speed

So many caves in some games 😔

[short quiver]

im considering 252 hp 156 atk and 100 SpD

[foggy lodge]

Fr

Evs are so weird cuz like the game has 0 interest in the casual player learning about them lmao

[shadow wind]

Literally

[short quiver]

once you play competitive your casual views will never be the same

[foggy lodge]

They give you feathers and proteins but no one is using them in a smart way you just give them the most they can get

[shadow wind]

Although they do give the chance for gym leaders to have “stronger” mons

[shadow wind]

Nah cause I can play through a Pokemon game and literally be like brain dead

I’m just having fun

[short quiver]

i ev trained my swellow