competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

GET BACK HERE BITCH

[short quiver]

same bro i had a ps2

uh, yikes

[solid frigate]

I’m more of a fan of New Super Mario Bros Wii

[lofty tartan]

I am very different to most of you in age because I'm a nerd.

[molten oasis]

I will always be a nerd

[dense latch]

new super mario bros on the ds was the first game i ever played

[bold geode]

I think you're just old unc

[short quiver]

we’re all fucking nerds here

[lofty tartan]

Nerds never stop being nerds. We just get old.

[dense latch]

still my favorite mario game i think

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-you-what-huh-gif-19676334

[bold geode]

Mika has mad unc status

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[short quiver]

interpret that how you wish

[bold geode]

I'm fucking nerds

[dense latch]

it's like how men never really age out of being kids in some way we just get bigger

[lofty tartan]

I've fathered the next generation of VGC hopefuls.

[short quiver]

did i stutter

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-jontron-dont-nope-no-gif-16214821

[dense latch]

goals (?)

[bold geode]

Kisses box of candy

[solid frigate]

True

[lofty tartan]

Gross.

[bold geode]

Real

[lofty tartan]

I mean my wife is a nerd, but for the general user that is probably not the phrasing you want.

[short quiver]

i assume you’re referring to us young’uns

[molten oasis]

Lmfao okay

[lofty tartan]

I'm a special outlier.

[bold geode]

I have some Skittles I bought for Halloween and idk if I want em rn or nah

[lofty tartan]

My kid can crush you in Smash Ultimate.

[dense latch]

im jealous of the ppl that met their partners through nerdy stuff like vgc

[lofty tartan]

She's mean

[solid frigate]

10 consecutive Iron Heads Later

[molten oasis]

I’m not looking to date at all

[short quiver]

i play pyra i crush myself by up recovering off the map

[lofty tartan]

She's mean to me

[bold geode]

The Skittles are gas, mix of wild berry and tropical

[solid frigate]

Man I haven’t played my Greninja or Aegis in Smash for a while

[bold geode]

"I like it"

[lofty tartan]

My kid will launch and chase you off the map to secure a kill. She's mean.

[molten oasis]

Like I just don’t think I’m capable of being in a relationship right now

as stated by the conversation earlier

[short quiver]

damn bro

[bold geode]

Man me saying I like it reminded me of like
You know the fucking cat from Over the Hedge

[solid frigate]

Aegis Main here

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-ilikeit-creed-gif-7764853

[solid frigate]

That actually plays her game

[short quiver]

i play pyra/mythra and corrin

[molten oasis]

Seph

[bold geode]

Over the Hedge was a baller ass movie

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Greninja and Aegis(Mostly Mythra)

[short quiver]

i love corrin

[lofty tartan]

I play a mean adult Link

[short quiver]

interpret that how you like

[short quiver]

a classic

[solid frigate]

I love BOTW Link’s Techs honestly

[molten oasis]

I raged pretty hard at that game

[lofty tartan]

I'm really good with boomerang aiming, so I get easy baseball swings.

[molten oasis]

I rage at every competitive game maybe I shouldn’t play competitive games

[lofty tartan]

Down stab meta

[solid frigate]

And I am still complaining about Greninja doesn’t get an Out of Shield option

[short quiver]

play league of legends trust😭 (no please dont)

[dense latch]

i dont play smash technically. i pick bowser, and i jump into down b and hope i break a shield. i go a stock up and side b out you out of the stage. if it doesnt work, then i rage quit.

[lofty tartan]

My top 3 are probably adult Link, Lucas, and Villager.

[short quiver]

only way to play honestly

[molten oasis]

Sephiroth, Terry, PKMN Trainer

But it’s like 90% seph

[solid frigate]

Greninja,Aegis,

Last one is kinda depends on my mood cuz it’s either Toon Link or Meta Knight

[short quiver]

top 3? aegis (as mentioned) , corrin(ditto) and kirby. get nommed mf

[solid frigate]

I mean it’s pretty obvious I main Aegis (Pfp speaks for itself)

[dense latch]

o so it's not torrentaegis isn't short for aegislash

[short quiver]

i literally just eat people and hope i get something good from
it

[dense latch]

today i learned aegis is short for pyra and mythra kinda

[short quiver]

I KNEW I RECOGNIZED YOUR PFP I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-heffley-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-i-knew-that-door-had-a-lock-on-it-schizophrenia-schizopost-gif-14431192652707590870

[short quiver]

isnt aegis the name of the boy with them?

[solid frigate]

Yeah Greninja’s Base Ability+Aegis

[solid frigate]

The boy you said about is called Rex,a Salvager and the Second Driver of the Emerald Aegis(Pyra and Mythra)

Pyra and Mythra are Sentient Swords known as Blades

[short quiver]

yep rex. i have played smash in over a year

jesus i gotta get back into it

i used to be on an esports team

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[solid frigate]

I still wish Sakurai stays his idea on Pneuma being the Final Smash cuz that would make me happy

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-xenoblade-xenoblade-chronicles-super-smash-bros-ultimate-smash-bros-gif-23456219

why is she taunting them like shes Prometheus showing humans flame for the first time

[solid frigate]

I prefer Teal

[molten oasis]

[short quiver]

i just like pyra

[short quiver]

literally my favorite thing to do

just up recover myself off the map

cant kill me if im already dead

[solid frigate]

Not an Aegis main moment

[cyan smelt]

Let's gooooo won again we are so back

[short quiver]

its a shame her up recover is literally kirby’s but with a slightly bigger hitbox

[cyan smelt]

Now I feel confident and I'm backing myself

[solid frigate]

I don’t mind it tbh

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle blursa is shredding through teams

[short quiver]

i like mythras uprecover where she shoots a comet at you

[solid frigate]

Pyra is floatier so I have ample time to react

Mythra is more for combos and shit for me

[lofty tartan]

I play a lot of fun stuff too like Kirby and Cloud and things. Roster is too big to focus too small

[short quiver]

i like pyra i can execute people from 20%

[lofty tartan]

I'm a big fighting game fan and I usually am decent with a wide spread of characters and Smash is just more of that

[short quiver]

outplayed gg

[solid frigate]

Cloud is peak tho

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I usually do really well with him but when it's like a 4 - 8 man and my kid is involved I don't bring that out

[cyan smelt]

Should I play incineroar in smash

[lofty tartan]

He just kill snipes accidentally.

[solid frigate]

If you want to play Meta then Incin ironically is kinda ass there

[short quiver]

incin is so bad in smash

[cyan smelt]

Well at least he's bad at something

[lofty tartan]

They saw how good he was in VGC and were like "nah fam, not in my house"

[solid frigate]

[cyan smelt]

What about Charizard

[short quiver]

bro the official Unite server keeps begging for incineroar to join unite

[solid frigate]

At least Greninja is like middle of the road for me

[lofty tartan]

He's gonna join Unite and also be ass there

[cyan smelt]

Is Sora any good

[short quiver]

probably

[solid frigate]

Honestly I’d say

Pikachu>Pokemon Trainer>Greninja>Everything else

[lofty tartan]

Sora is hyper obnoxious

[short quiver]

If you know what you’re doing

[solid frigate]

For once I hate how floaty he is

[lofty tartan]

Like hyper obnoxious in a bad way.

[short quiver]

yes

[lofty tartan]

A really skilled Sora player is literal cancer.

[short quiver]

id rather fight a skilled sora than a skilled ice climber 🤷‍♂️

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely the definition of unfun

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile me hate Hero Mains than everything else

[cyan smelt]

I wish k.rool was better, I think he's my all time favourite Nintendo villain and the twist in bananza was so epic

[lofty tartan]

Ice Climber is my OG jam.

[dense latch]

congrats!! huge turnaround we love to see it

[short quiver]

ice climber is so toxic 💀

[lofty tartan]

No more toxic than Hero/Steve/Sora

[cyan smelt]

Turns out getting out of your head works so imma try this more often

[solid frigate]

Ike is my OG back in Brawl

[short quiver]

ew hero

[solid frigate]

I’m glad Aegis Got nerfed so that nobody is gonna hate them that much compared to Steve and Hero

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean I've played a few tournaments for Smash over the years but at the end of the day I'm gonna just have fun with it. I sometimes play online but mostly play offline with a group

[short quiver]

my girls got nerfed? 🥀

[solid frigate]

That’s like a thing before I believe

[short quiver]

my school had an esports team for 2 years i participated both years

they did mario kart and smash ultimate

[lofty tartan]

I'm actually much more competitive-leaning in 2D/3D fighters. Smash is just more funsies for me.

[solid frigate]

I kinda just play more casually

I was cracked back then

[lofty tartan]

Now, if you wanna talk Tekken

[molten oasis]

I’ve tried 2D/3D fighters just not my thing

They’re fun tho

[lofty tartan]

God I love Tekken

[solid frigate]

Tekken is hype

[molten oasis]

My friend loves Tekken too

[lofty tartan]

And honestly anything by ArcSystemWorks is hype.

[solid frigate]

Btw speaking of Smash Bros

I’m so hyped for Kirby Air Riders

[lofty tartan]

Dragonball FighterZ, Blazblue, Melty Blood -- all really solid fighters

[short quiver]

didnt air riders already come
out 😭

i thought it was the 23rd

what😭

[lofty tartan]

Air Riders is 11/20

[solid frigate]

Im still hyped over it cuz it’s basically better than Mario Kart world ever be lol

[short quiver]

i thought it was 10/23 😔

[solid frigate]

SAKURAI MY GOAT

[lofty tartan]

Mario Kart World is really good

[solid frigate]

It’s still good but I kinda didn’t have the hype after first day

Mostly because I never played Kirby Air Ride and I wanna try it

[lofty tartan]

Once it gets content support even remotely similar to MK8, it's gonna be a lot better. I have really enjoyed it though.

[short quiver]

playstation should give us crash bandicoot racing again

[lofty tartan]

Nah. Bring back Diddy Kong Racing.

[short quiver]

diddy kong can stay gone

[lofty tartan]

Horrible take.

Diddy Kong Racing was incredibly good.

[cyan smelt]

It's funny sporing entire teams

[short quiver]

it was i played it

[solid frigate]

This is me during the first 10 minutes in ZA

[short quiver]

LMAO

a shame they dont let you pick the pancham

it is on the screen when they tell you to pick one 🤷‍♂️

[cyan smelt]

My last few results have made me want to go to Melbourne

[short quiver]

kalos will we be seeing you at worlds 2026?

[cyan smelt]

Nah I'm not that good yet

[short quiver]

shhhh

[cyan smelt]

Just learning

[short quiver]

no doubting yourself allowed

you got this king

[cyan smelt]

Maybe one day

It would help if I practiced a team more than like a day in advance lol, I'm getting used to this team and it's really good

[short quiver]

whats your record so far

[cyan smelt]

3-3

[short quiver]

is that good?

[cyan smelt]

Nope but it's better than it was

[solid frigate]

Its 50/50

[short quiver]

thats a good thing right?

[cyan smelt]

I thought I'd be lucky to win one so this has surpassed expectations

[short quiver]

we need kalos at worlds 2026 🗣️🗣️

[cyan smelt]

I wonder now if it's worth getting coaching

[solid frigate]

Not really

Usually I’d aim at least 65/35 or 70/30

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna be honest; I tried a few coaches, and it didn't ultimately feel worth it. Largely, they didn't tell me anything I didn't already know and a lot of it boiled down to hands-on experience

Finding a good coach is difficult. A good player doesn't mean they're good at coaching, and a good coach may not be the type of player you want. Practice is gonna get you far.

[solid frigate]

Coaches are kinda just meh

I rather just learn by myself if that’s the case

[short quiver]

also you have all the people here who needs a coach

[lofty tartan]

Looking at your games objectively, without an emotional stance of win or loss, is going to be something you should work on immediately.

Even the best players lose a good deal of games.

Even the best players can spin out X-4

I've seen really high-ranked players do really poorly at events. There is a huge amount of variance in this game.

And like, sometimes you make a bad call, and that's just a thing you gotta deal with and recognize, and move forward with, not forward from

[solid frigate]

Nobody is perfect on that so it makes sense

[lofty tartan]

Like, what, some of the best players are 60-70% win rate?

[solid frigate]

60-70% is what I think it’s the best thing for players to reach

80% is too much

[lofty tartan]

Yeah really.

It's the same in things like MTG and PTCG

The best players aren't perfect players. They're good.

But for every game, someone's gotta lose it, and sometimes that someone is you

[solid frigate]

Mika look at this lol

My replay of one match

[lofty tartan]

Yeah using two bulky guys that resist fighting into Zama is a pretty good time

Ho-Oh unsung hero.

[solid frigate]

No Reflect as well lol

And That Zama just did a superhero landing lmao

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that was weird.

I had to watch it a second time

[solid frigate]

I kinda have to say this but Ho-Oh solved my worries about Reg I

[lofty tartan]

It's just really good into really specific things, and it happens that those specific things are also really good.

Except you hate seeing Miraidon so you gotta tech for the bike

[solid frigate]

Miraidon kinda just

I’ll let my own Miraidon to do that cuz I can’t thunder Wave Miraidon

But honestly Bulky Specs Miraidon kinda cooks

And take advantage against Assault Vest and Choice Scarf Sets who are more popular in Reg I

If there is Miraidon or Kyogre I let Miraidon do the thing

Anything else Ho-Oh just tanks it,Even Lunala I think Ho-Oh Grimmsnarl is nutty against them

[lofty tartan]

That is a way to do things. It helps that Sacred Fire is insane.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダーooo-ta-ja-dor-eternity-kamen-rider-ooo-toei-tokusatsu-gif-25415296

Basically What Ho-Oh Is doing that is not Tailwinding

[waxen dock]

ok

so the next format will be announced in a month?

[solid frigate]

Probably

[waxen dock]

i knew it

[lofty tartan]

If there's a next format announced

Last notice they gave, they said Reg H continues until Champs and hasn't said anything contrary to that yet.

Or are we talking Reg J?

[solid frigate]

If they rerun reg I again I might as well just keep on playing the Ho-Oh Miraidon Team

[solid frigate]

Idk honestly

I’m taking a break from SV VGC anyways so idk too much

[lofty tartan]

I basically don't care anymore until Champs.

[solid frigate]

Same

I really want to use Mega Drampa or Mega Mence at least once lol

[lofty tartan]

If they switch it up and it doesn't suck, that'll be neat, but it likely won't be on cart ranked, so that'll be less neat.

[solid frigate]

True

[waxen dock]

where they said that?

[lofty tartan]

Here. It's a little old but it does say until Champs and they haven't said anything different yet

[waxen dock]

" the subsuquent regulation"

if its susuquent hy wont they just say reg h?

cuz its a deffrent reg

[molten oasis]

As in most likely reg h again or reg I

[lofty tartan]

That's not what that says. You're literally twisting the words to fit what you want to believe.

"As well as the subsequent regulation" means as well as the regulation that will come after November.

That's what subsequent means.

It doesn't have to be specifically named because that's redundant. English is fun

[pure niche]

@cyan smelt I got bodied by top players in my last 2 games! The ups and downs haha hope your later games have gone well!

[cyan smelt]

Won again lesgoooooooo

Yeah I won 4 in a row

[pure niche]

Nice work!

[cyan smelt]

Honestly this team is great into pretty much everything

[pure niche]

Sometimes the early games and matchups can be like that

Sounds like you've got your comfort lines ready again

[cyan smelt]

Yeah turns out I just needed to get comfortable with it

[undone sage]

Time for you and Taunt to get matched up

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle + blursa shreds

All I need is one calm mind and I tear through teams

[waxen dock]

what team?

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle, blursa, rilla, incin, sneasler, gholdengo

Just beat a sand team with drifblim

Specs indeedee does so much damage

[waxen dock]

so what your score now?

[cyan smelt]

4-3

[waxen dock]

thats good

[cyan smelt]

Better than I was expecting honestly

Was expecting to go 0-7

[waxen dock]

nah

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna play proven teams until I get better at team building

[solid frigate]

0-7 is like bottom of the barrel

You clearly aren’t

[cyan smelt]

My predictions were on point during that last match

Predicted a cc into incin slot from Lucario so I tera ghost

[molten oasis]

[waxen dock]

i wonder what i will do if i go to regional

how many swiss rounds are there?

[cyan smelt]

At Brisbane? Idk

[waxen dock]

genrally

in european regional senior division

[solid frigate]

[cyan smelt]

Well lost my last game so I ended 4-4

Should have brought smeargle in game 3

It was ape, ursaluna bm, volc, sneasler, indeedee

I forget the last one

Should have led sneasler rilla and then finished with incin ursaluna I think

I think I doubt myself or second guess myself when I'm under pressure

But I'm gonna go home, practice with this team so it's ready for gc

[stone trellis]

4-4 is nice.

[cyan smelt]

Considering I went 0-3 it's pretty good, I'm happy

Tera normal blood moon hurts

[stone trellis]

Love to see it.

[cyan smelt]

At least I learnt what works, I feel like I've got a better grasp on things now

I'm not gonna build my own teams until I can get consistent results with proven teams

This team feels good to play though

[pure niche]

Well done on coming back up with your last games, you fought back really well

[cyan smelt]

Ty, how'd you go?

I think I will attend Melbourne after all, it was stupid for me to talk about quitting

I can't get better if I don't play

[pure niche]

Finished at 5:3, so very happy with the end result

Happy with how I played, and my losses really felt like a mixture of RNG with a little bit of bad matchup and incredibly good opponents so happy overall

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I feel like I had hard opponents plus I wasn't comfortable with the team and didn't back myself

[cyan smelt]

Gonna practice more on bo1 and bo3 ladder

[hollow echo]

yo

help

i was in 1196 now i am in 1000

tell me what wrong with my team

[cyan smelt]

post some replays and maybe we can figure out what's wrong

[hollow echo]

https://pokepast.es/fc2cc57313fae064

how can?

[cyan smelt]

is this singles?

[hollow echo]

hmm?

[cyan smelt]

which format

[hollow echo]

national

[cyan smelt]

i'm not familiar with that

[hollow echo]

i see

[waxen dock]

So are you happy?

[hollow echo]

yo

[cyan smelt]

yeah i'm happy with it, i know i just lost because i didn't back myself

[knotty briar]

Bruh

[hollow echo]

yo

wanna see my team

[knotty briar]

Just showing off the team or is it for team building purposes?

[hollow echo]

team building purposes

[knotty briar]

Then yeah show it

[hollow echo]

https://pokepast.es/fc2cc57313fae064

[knotty briar]

Oh that's for nat dex

[hollow echo]

something is wrong with this team i used it and went from 1000 to 1190 and the went 1190 to 1000

[hollow echo]

yeah

[knotty briar]

I don't have any advice for nat dex
Sorry

[hollow echo]

ok

[cyan smelt]

i want to revisit coaching gambit at some point though

[real prairie]

Works better with Sneasler Rilla

[cyan smelt]

true

man ursa bm is a nuke

[cyan smelt]

all these incins seem to be turbo incins

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2472839877-bnyp77qy59r0nlcby7qx32ewcxdpeprpw can't believe i faced a mirror lmao

[hollow echo]

hey

[stone trellis]

I'm so back.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472849782-w57xmq4pr9qx2df2bs5kb8jtjlvfr0fpw

A thing I've noticed is that a lot of players just let Iron Valiant sit there and make Ice Rider a monster.

As if it can't actually slap on its own.

[hollow echo]

yo

check my team

https://pokepast.es/e3e488ade8e42173

this is correct one

[stone trellis]

I'm not a National Dex player.

I have no idea about what's good and what isn't.

[waxen dock]

not good

[hollow echo]

this is correct one made few changes

https://pokepast.es/c2f7d83d9c73dc3c

[waxen dock]

still bad

also people dont really play here singles if you want help in nat dex go to smogon server maybe

[hollow echo]

then how you know this is bad?

[waxen dock]

cuz i used to play singles

[stone trellis]

Why the fuck do I keep getting matched up with people who are 150+ points above me?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472854545

[cyan smelt]

idk i've noticed in reg h too

[stone trellis]

I am not that good bro chill 😭

[cyan smelt]

why did torrent ever recommend randbats to me, i hate it

[hollow echo]

then give advice

[waxen dock]

bro

im not a singles pro

[hollow echo]

i see

ok

[stone trellis]

It's always either people who are over 150 points above me or people who are 100 points beneath me.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472856374

[cyan smelt]

it's because nobody is playing sv anymore

[hollow echo]

why?

[cyan smelt]

god i hate randbats

[foggy lodge]

Format is dead

Happens with reg H too

[stone trellis]

Why is VGC dying now?

[cyan smelt]

end of sv

[stone trellis]

Guess Reg H being kinda shit is also a factor.

[foggy lodge]

You only really care about VGC if you compete irl

[cyan smelt]

i'm curious to see what format melbourne will be

[foggy lodge]

Reg H is just a rerun and not a new format so that doesn't help

And reg J is a fake format

Champions can't come soon enough

Worst part is by how things are going

I think champions will release on the anniversary😭

[next stump]

is it true they’re announcing format on stream today?

i saw that in another discord

[foggy lodge]

Idt its real

[next stump]

https://x.com/westyliamvgc/status/1984588521156276567?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

WestyVGC 🔜 🇫🇷 (@WestyLiamVGC)

@AldrichYan

X · Nov 1, 2025, 11:49 AM

it is

holyyyyy

that’s a pretty hype way to do it, tie it into IRL event

[foggy lodge]

WHAT

OMG I LOVE YOU TPCI

[stone trellis]

?

[next stump]

january champions 🙏

[stone trellis]

I don't have Twitter, what happened?

Oh.

[next stump]

they said at some point on stream today they’ll announce the next regulation

and because it’s europe, stream is getting close to done already

so within the next few hours we will know

[stone trellis]

So in the Gdansk stream?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[cyan smelt]

idk how the smeargle balance does against dozo

i struggled against a sun team earlier

[foggy lodge]

Llansó on stream

Reminder that Llansó is the guy who built the original incin rilla sneasler dengo blursa team

[waxen dock]

the stream today?

[next stump]

seems like it

[waxen dock]

are you sure its day 1 stream and not day 2 stream?

[cyan smelt]

what does he do against sun

[foggy lodge]

They said today on the clip Dillon sent

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472883378

[waxen dock]

yeah is saw it

[cyan smelt]

do you think it's worth me staying up to see the new format

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'll notify you tomorrow.

[cyan smelt]

incins are usually goggles right

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[cyan smelt]

and tandemaus are usually goggles right

[stone trellis]

That or Sash, I guess.

[cyan smelt]

so it's only incin and maus that are goggles

[dense latch]

let’s goo

[cyan smelt]

feels like there are a bunch of wacky teams because the gc is coming up lol

[waxen dock]

No

[waxen dock]

For me the format release either on 3am or 2 am so i onky know it in morning but now it will probably be announced at like 6 or 7 pm for me

Cuz i thiknn the stream will end in either 1 or 2 hours from now and they will announce it at the end of the stream

Probably

[upper zealot]

67 😂😭✌🏿

[upper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[cyan smelt]

what do u guys think about clam rilla or incin

[foggy lodge]

On what team

[cyan smelt]

on balance ig

or covert cloak incin

[next stump]

i’ve seen clam on both before

but usually worse than the regular options

[foggy lodge]

Balance what

[bold geode]

Less Serio

[foggy lodge]

For the regular balance just use av rilla and sitrus/goggles incin

I've seen clam Rilla and its good but you only really use it if you need the AV on something else

Well hmmm

Cloak Incin can be interesting with taunt

For the mirror

Its over

Justin Cerioni wins this round already I think

Self glide

Do self glide rage fist

noooooooahqkdhskdjslfjfk

Its over

Tera blast maushold encore

[next stump]

have they said anything yet?

is this the last round also?

[foggy lodge]

R9 left

[next stump]

another 9 round regional?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to make a second version of my PTFK team where I replace Landorus with something that could actually make my slow mode a slow mode.

I'm eyeing the big fat bear.

[dense latch]

REG F BACK

https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1984659625954681170

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: It has been confirmed that Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Regulation F returns for the live Pokémon Championship Series events from December 1st 2025 through March 31st 2026

https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

X · Nov 1, 2025, 4:31 PM

until march 31st wtf

[foggy lodge]

MARCH

WHAT

We have to destroy TPCi

[waxen dock]

Reg f

I knew it

[next stump]

so march/april champions release

[dense latch]

could have been worse at least it's not reg i

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/enricopucci-happy-happy-enrico-pucci-jojo-made-in-heaven-jojo-gif-26801198

We are so fucking back

[dense latch]

really thought sv would be over soon turns out there's 5 months left

[bold geode]

Also that statement means still Reg J on cart
Wtf

[dense latch]

i wonder if the poll actually decided the format lmao

[timber schooner]

Did the format change

[dense latch]

the format for december got announced

until then we're still in reg h

[safe raft]

When official z-a tourneys

[stone trellis]

Never.

[timber schooner]

There not doing tournaments for z-a

[cyan smelt]

i'm losing again with the smeargle balance

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472953664

[hollow echo]

yo

[waxen dock]

@cyan smelt there is reg f if you want to know

[hollow echo]

hey

[real prairie]

Think this will be my first reg F team build

[real prairie]

Pain

[hollow echo]

yo

[real prairie]

Anything interesting come out of day 1 from Gdansk?

[cyan smelt]

what's reg f again

[stone trellis]

Everything is legal except for restricteds and mythicals.

[real prairie]

Psyspam Ironcrown regulation

And Chien pao Dnite

[waxen dock]

reg g but no restricteds

[last bone]

quick question are cloned mons allowed in comp?

[waxen dock]

ofc no

[last bone]

my friend was about to start playing a bit of comp and pretty much everything he has is cloned

[waxen dock]

you mean hacked mons?

or mons that were obtained from gliteches?

[next stump]

depends on your definition of comp

[last bone]

like online play

[last bone]

i’m talking about clones of legal mons

[waxen dock]

buw which one?

[next stump]

ranked mode has no detection on anything

IRL tournaments are where there are detections

[waxen dock]

what about gc?

[next stump]

no detection there

[last bone]

he’s been trading for competitive build mons with perfect ivs but last night he saw the exact same mom with the same ot as the one he has so he’s worried

[last bone]

i see

[waxen dock]

i think one of my opponents had shiny blursaluna

but it was probably its original colored that i got confused and thought it was shiny

[foggy lodge]

I remember when they officially leaked the shiny blursa

[cyan smelt]

so what's the format again

[next stump]

Reg G but no restricteds

so urshifu/landorus/etc. all legal

[cyan smelt]

oh god not landorus again

actually nah that's good i want to use landorus

[knotty mirage]

So were back too reg F neat

Finally i can see some urshifu play again

[cyan smelt]

i really don't see how it's possible to be good at randbats

[next stump]

watch Freezai's videos

[stone trellis]

Become MDB.

[cyan smelt]

i mean i should seriously consider watching more poketuber content

paul wanna build for reg f or whatever it is

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

A new meta for me is always exciting.

Let's do it.

[visual flume]

Has regulation H meta changed a lot since the last GC?

[stone trellis]

Doubt it.

[cyan smelt]

sneasler, arch, ursa bm, incin etc

[stone trellis]

The only problem is that we don't have Reg F as a playable option on Showdown.

[cyan smelt]

annoying

[stone trellis]

Are there any Speed tiers that I need to have in mind for Reg F?

[next stump]

205 with pao/flutter being around

[cyan smelt]

oh great that means the return of chi yu flutter

[chrome knot]

49 !

[stone trellis]

Any other ones?

[dense latch]

it should come out soon either today or tomorrow

[stone trellis]

Great.

I kind of want to build with sun, I can't lie.

Is Raging Bolt + Lillikoal a good combo?

[chrome knot]

yes

weather ball bolt is so good

[stone trellis]

WB + AV sounds diabolical, I love it.

[bold geode]

Helloing Emma
Are we cooking the Reg F

[chrome knot]

probably gouging fire team with olivia

or tinglu paonite stuff idk yet

[bold geode]

205 for Pao/Flutter and also 208 cuz that's where Modest BM Ursa in TW sits

[chrome knot]

a little sad bc i didn’t get to use a reg h team at an event

[bold geode]

Low-key I'm wondering how many games you can win simply for the fact that people will forget prio spam exists

[chrome knot]

i made adjustments, changed out bm ursa & dnite for pult & incin and it was insane lol

[bold geode]

Also I gotta deal with 2-2-2 again, fuck

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 245: Suicune

Type

Water

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/75/115/90/115/85

Total

580

Sableye version 4.29.0

[real prairie]

Will be by tomorrow, don't stress

[real prairie]

Game as Reg G without the Restricted https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgGA-iSV_fOv1xiD9ePFeRVHxFVCs6gRPsAbH0SqXn4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[vernal shadow]

Are there any examples teams for reg J about ? I had a look and couldn't find anything

[dense latch]

use reg i samples

you probably shouldn’t bother with any mythicals anyways

[solid frigate]

Yeah most of my testing are just Reg I teams lol

[solid frigate]

Rain Psyspam

[real prairie]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[real prairie]

Im thinking I stick with Specs Politoed and go with a trick room + rain team

[solid frigate]

I love how we both just don’t want to use Pelipper lol

[stone trellis]

I got one.

[real prairie]

Go fast rain with scarfshifu and Ludicolo

[solid frigate]

I’m going back to Crown Psyspam+Scarf Shifu with side of Archaludon and Torn

[real prairie]

The bird never seems to hit as hard as you want it to, despite having higher spAtk than politoed 🤣

[solid frigate]

Expectations man

[real prairie]

Maybe I just go full speed demon.

Torn
Scarfshifu with rain dance
Specs Ludi

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 959: Tinkaton

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Mold Breaker, Own Tempo, Pickpocket (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/75/77/70/105/94

Total

506

Sableye version 4.29.0

[real prairie]

Need a horse on the team now just to make it happen 🤣

Speaking of, who's a good reg F CIR replacement

[stone trellis]

You need a slow, bulky physical attacker who snowballs games and is borderline unkillable.

Arch is mixed, guess he's the closest we have to CIR (GOATness be upon him).

[bold geode]

I honestly don't know what would be a replacement

[solid frigate]

There isn’t a replacement

[bold geode]

Gholdengo feels close to CSR tbh

[upper zealot]

what do we think about ursa bm tailroom

[molten oasis]

Its solid

[bold geode]

For what Regulation

[upper zealot]

f

[bold geode]

Fucking gas

[upper zealot]

i was thinking hands farig ursa hearthflame torn and darkfu

[bold geode]

It was a VERY solid concept

[bold geode]

That's what got 2nd at Charlotte

[upper zealot]

oh lol

[bold geode]

Gotta find the other version I saw

[bold geode]

There's also this version that won Dortmund the same season

Both versions were very solid, having Ursaluna with speed control in TR/TW/Icy Wind
Very solid

[upper zealot]

ye both look cool

[foggy lodge]

why tf is it throat chop

Is it for the mirror

[bold geode]

Tbh I have no clue

[molten oasis]

Blocking pshot and hyper voice is cool

[real prairie]

https://x.com/Montana_Pokemon/status/1984756137036861520?t=sKuoCQ5KDvfZ8oWze3WQHA&s=19

Mont 🏳️‍🌈 (@Montana_Pokemon)

X · Nov 1, 2025, 10:55 PM

[real prairie]

Flutter in reg F feels similar

[short quiver]

how much hp and def does a farig usually run

i need it to calc smthn

munchstats doesnt have an option for reg f

[real prairie]

There were so many reg F sets for Farig

Wasn't it F that Wolfe ran the first throat spray farig

[short quiver]

i think so

im trying to calc how much doubling into it with my tinkaton and rillaboom would do

[real prairie]

I remember being sash Farig sets too

[short quiver]

i was grounded during reg f

🤷‍♂️

[real prairie]

No dark types? As it's usual tera water would offer could coverage with dark + Grass

Knock off + wood hammer from Incin + Rilla should kill

[short quiver]

not incin

[real prairie]

Alternatively double Uturn to reposition

[short quiver]

tinkaton

my plan against a farig lead is fake out with tinkaton+uturn with rilla

unless i suspect a tera fairy in which case i can just nuke it with uturn and gigaton hammer

[real prairie]

Fake out buys you a turn to do something else though

[short quiver]

yeah, but rillas main job is set up terrain and fake out

and it cant fake out against a farig

so just get terrain and uturn out

and im trying to see what my fake out+ uturn would do to it

but munchstats has no info for reg f

https://tenor.com/view/panic-gif-18851113

100 Atk Rillaboom U-turn vs. 204 HP / 164 Def Farigiraf: 146-172 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
and 4 atk tinkaton fake out does between 5% and 7%

so about 40%

not bad, but not good either

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/NOVOEsports/status/1984725068560417248

NOVO Esports (@NOVOEsports)

Inside of you there are two wolves

X · Nov 1, 2025, 8:51 PM

[short quiver]

shouldnt the teams on my mobile showdown show up on my computer

[foggy lodge]

No

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-rock-anxiety-panic-panic-attack-gif-27018980

why not 😭

its the same account

[dense latch]

teams are bound to the device

[foggy lodge]

They save for devive

[dense latch]

not the account

[short quiver]

thats irritating

[dense latch]

when you switch to an alt you keep your teams

[foggy lodge]

You can upload them to a cloud or smth i think

[short quiver]

i did that

[dense latch]

yea it's an option next to the upload to pokepaste

[short quiver]

it didnt make my teams show up

[solid frigate]

save by backup

[foggy lodge]

Idk save them on a discord chat

I have a server where I'm the only one and I save all my shit there

[dense latch]

scroll down to here and click view teams uploaded to server

[foggy lodge]

Someone on twitter said its bad to do that but idc

[short quiver]

bros smart

[short quiver]

i already did that

[dense latch]

i just got hit with the worst cts bs run ever

a game from 1700 and i lose three in a row 🥀

[foggy lodge]

Noooooo

[dense latch]

this is my sign to just build for reg f
or play bo3

[foggy lodge]

Join reg F

Drop reg H

[solid frigate]

join reg F man

Reg H feels too stale that i am playing Reg J

[short quiver]

isnt that illegal

i have a reg f team ready

im using gmoltres

[foggy lodge]

My goat

You missed the era where Goltres was meta

[short quiver]

i was grounded bruh

[dense latch]

do you wanna teambuild? i have NO idea where start

[short quiver]

nothing i coulda done about it

what regulation was it that gmoltres was the shit

[dense latch]

i just know i want to use cm bolt and/or specs flutter

[foggy lodge]

My first idea was scream tail balance cuz scream tail unironically cooks the mirror LOO

[solid frigate]

I just throw Rain and Psyspam at the same time and pray it work

[dense latch]

because those are unknown sets to my reg g/i pilled brain

[foggy lodge]

We can work with the cm bolt and add scream tail

I like Hearthflame too

[dense latch]

i don't hate the scream tail idea

[short quiver]

i assume cm is calm mind?

[next stump]

man where is the reg F updateon showdown

[short quiver]

tomorrow

[dense latch]

yea they usually get it out earlier

they're hosting lots of room tours at least

[short quiver]

i have my reg F team set as reg G rn so i could copy it to my computer

[foggy lodge]

I think the worst thing about reg F is actually how the archetypes don't change too much between each other

[short quiver]

reg f and g?

[solid frigate]

heh

[short quiver]

i also missed the era when base spectrier was meta

[foggy lodge]

Nah that was super old like sw sh

[short quiver]

i still missed it

[foggy lodge]

Glastrier was meta too

[solid frigate]

Spectrier isn’t like meta in SV

It’s workable in Reg D but not as broken as tornshifu and stuff

[foggy lodge]

Dynamax so ass that everything becomes good with it

[foggy lodge]

Its never workable

Because Flutter exists

[short quiver]

its a shame its such a beautiful horse 😔

[dense latch]

i used bulldoze spectrier + weakness policy dynamax metagross back in swsh

[solid frigate]

Workable is a kind word to say honestly

[short quiver]

the carrot muncher on its head puts it in a fucking cage

[dense latch]

with av glastrier as a secondary dmax attacker

maxi what 4 moves on scream tail

[foggy lodge]

The only thing Spectrier could have over Flutter is that spectrier gets will o wisp

Its the ONLY niche

[foggy lodge]

Protect encore disable dazzling

[short quiver]

so youre saying i could, theoretically, use base horsey 😀

https://tenor.com/view/spectrier-pokemon-gif-17418000335556934093

[foggy lodge]

If you accept to use a flutter worse in every stat and movepool and typing just for one move that could be slotted on another mon then yeah ig

[short quiver]

is spectrier blind or smthn

[short quiver]

but pretty horse

[foggy lodge]

It looks like it would be

[dense latch]

eyes closed because it can just do that

not blindness just aura farming

[short quiver]

peak

a shame the carrot muncher puts the beautiful horse in a cage

calyrex is what, a hare?

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch https://pokepast.es/308eda938f5534c6 what do you abt this?

I thought about dengo too

I always wanted to use encore disable ninetales next to dengo but ninetales was too slow

[dense latch]

i was going to that direction too kinda

only i tried slotting specs flutter

but ursh seems crazy strong too here

[short quiver]

wanna see what me and paul cooked up for me?

i picked the mons and stuff he just did my evs

[foggy lodge]

Idk what other archetype could we use

HO with gouging is also fun

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/fd22767012acaadf

[foggy lodge]

WAIT YOUR SUICUNE GAVE ME AN IDEA

@dense latch roar Incin

[short quiver]

💀

nah thats just mean

[dense latch]

fuck all cm raging bolts except ours!!

[short quiver]

140+ SpA Life Orb Moltres-Galar Air Slash vs. 44 HP / 92 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 182-218 (100.5 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

!!!!

[dense latch]

encore disable scream tail does well already but you can never have too much raging boly hate

[foggy lodge]

We could test that

[short quiver]

my roar on suicune is specifically to stop set up lmao

i knew i wanted someone with roar and suicune also provides tailwind AND scald

and obviously snarl because i love snarl

[foggy lodge]

Roar farig could also be good on other archetypes

W tera fairy to destroy raging bolt

[short quiver]

would roar activate a throat spray

[dense latch]

neither parting shot fake out nor roar feel like a second moveslot move does that make any sense

it feels wrong

[short quiver]

whatcha guys think of my team member choices

i think my FWG is pretty good

[dense latch]

if you ignore the specs raichu in a raging bolt format

and the tinkaton then it looks decent

[short quiver]

raichu is here specifically to bully bolt

tera fairy with lightning rod

its job is literally kill bolt

tinkaton is here for farigiraf and fluttermane

[dense latch]

personally think it's a bit too frail to wall a mon like bolt

games arent gonna be a 1v1

[short quiver]

0- Atk 0 IVs Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 174-206 (132.8 - 157.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

this is funny

[foggy lodge]

Its good into bolt but it doesn't beat the bolt partners

[short quiver]

160 bp will always be 160 bp

[short quiver]

which i have other mons to deal with

my raichu wont be alone either

[foggy lodge]

Idk i don't see how you beat incin rilla

Ig suicune hearthflame are fine

[short quiver]

rilla mirror + as you just said suicune and firepon

[foggy lodge]

I fuck a lot with scream tail idea damn

Lando could also be good on this slot but hearthflame scream tail are broken

Maybe we could be super reg G pilled and make it rockpon

[short quiver]

are we sure reg f is bolts playground and not Ponis?

[dense latch]

yea same
i despise scream tail but it makes so much sense

[short quiver]

whenever i say poni im referring to ogerpon

[foggy lodge]

I love scream tail

[short quiver]

i love suicune

[foggy lodge]

i wanted to play the reg g room tours just to play the lunala scream tail balance team

[dense latch]

i liked specs flutter as the last slot too bc i think the coverage it brings is so strong into the meta

[foggy lodge]

Its good into bolt

[dense latch]

hearth flutter lead spam tera fairy gleam sounds really fun

[foggy lodge]

I can see it as a last pick

[short quiver]

all reg f was was ogerpon flutter and raging bolt, right? (incineroar can stay unspoken)

[dense latch]

idk how to ev it

i wanna check physical calcs

[foggy lodge]

Can flutter take an ice spinner from pao at -1

[dense latch]

-1 252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Flutter Mane: 106-126 (80.9 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm

Make it jolly and check the calc at neutral

[dense latch]

it’s a roll there

with some bulk on it

[foggy lodge]

How much bulk?

[short quiver]

so may i ask why life orb wants to be calced for the hp to end with a 9 but it ending in a 1 gives you 1 extra point of hp to work with?

189 leaves you with 180, 191 leaves you with 181

[dense latch]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 100 HP / 60 Def Flutter Mane: 133-157 (93 - 109.7%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 100 HP / 60 Def Flutter Mane: 126-148 (88.1 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO this is a decent roll

[foggy lodge]

We can make it a bit bulkier

[dense latch]

how low can we take the spatk

[foggy lodge]

We survive sucker punch as long as it doesn't vrit

[dense latch]

it's still gonna hit like a truck

[foggy lodge]

187 spa?

[dense latch]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 156 HP / 60 Def Flutter Mane: 126-148 (84 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's fine

And icicle crash is a roll so we can blame rng there yeyyy

[dense latch]

36 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 208-248 (92.8 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

I would make it modest

[dense latch]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 228-272 (101.7 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO woo

[foggy lodge]

Or do you want to go timid?

[dense latch]

my first thought was timid for the speed tie on pao

that's really the only thing in there

[foggy lodge]

You could put the benchmark on lando I

[dense latch]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 164-196 (100 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO what an amazing calc

[foggy lodge]

❤️

[short quiver]

thats wild

[dense latch]

we tank a lando lorb sludge bomb even if we tera fairy

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane: 125-148 (83.3 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO also basically perfect

-1 116+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 156 HP / 60 Def Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane in Grassy Terrain: 124-147 (82.6 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery oh wow

[short quiver]

so only a double up would be bad

[dense latch]

i love this set

[short quiver]

whoever said flutter wasnt tanky

do you guys think nasty plot on my gmoltres is okay or should i swap it with something else

it gets hex, shadow ball, hypervoice, and ancient power,

the rest we dont care about

[foggy lodge]

You don't really want to run any coverage

They just hit so much weaker

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[dense latch]

yea just fiery wrath air slash nasty protect and you're good

[short quiver]

thats what i have

[dense latch]

if we're going modest we can probably drop some speed too

[short quiver]

i am not risking hurricane accuracy

[dense latch]

make it a bit stronger

[foggy lodge]

man if only Raging had one more spa point

[short quiver]

also air slash can flinch so

[foggy lodge]

I hitted 224 for optimal hp recovery 124 speed to speed creep incin and tried to get the spa bump and it only needed one point to hit it

[molten oasis]

It does not need that lmao

[foggy lodge]

And it doesn't hit it

[foggy lodge]

ONLY ONE POINT

[molten oasis]

Still doesn’t need it lol

[short quiver]

would you want to fight a bolt with 1 extra spa point? 🤨

[foggy lodge]

Maybe we just hit 123 hm

Or drop all the speed and invest on bulk but I liked speed for the mirror

[dense latch]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 60 Def / 172 SpA / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind

i think this looks decent

[foggy lodge]

Maybe we have enough tools for the mirror already

Actually yeah there's enough

[dense latch]

this new set hit the same stuff but saved 8 extra evs

[foggy lodge]

Scream tail wins the mirror

If it tclaps we disable if it dpulses we encore

[short quiver]

what nature is timid

[foggy lodge]

+spe -atk

[short quiver]

so special jolly

[dense latch]

yes

[short quiver]

got it

i only know 4 natures off the top of my head

adamant jolly modest and relaxed

+atk -spa +spe -spa +spa -atk +def -spe right?

[foggy lodge]

Raging Bolt @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 20 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Protect
• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Calm Mind

lmao

[short quiver]

what fucking abomination am i looking at

[foggy lodge]

The best raging spread

Actually idk how 252 def does into chien pao

@dense latch can raging take a dpulse from another raging?

[dense latch]

one sec

[dense latch]

this got me to try out a test

[short quiver]

hm?

[dense latch]

serious and bashful were basically right bc they're both neutral

[foggy lodge]

Adamant +atk -spa
Jolly +atk - spa
Modest +spa -atk
Timid +spa -atk
Quiet +spa -spe
Impish +def -spa
Careful +spd -atk

And i don't know more

[short quiver]

i literally remember 4 😭

[dense latch]

but really the only ones you need to know are
adamant brave bold impish relaxed modest quiet calm careful sassy timid jolly naive

[short quiver]

thats more than 4 😵‍💫

[dense latch]

if you dont do tr then not relaxed sassy brave quiet are kinda useless

[foggy lodge]

Oh calm is +spd -atk

[dense latch]

i confuse it with bold a lot

[foggy lodge]

I remember the one guy on reddit vgc that said that zama is better with calm nature because "it doesn't use its atk stat" LMAO

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-spy-x-family-brain-fried-gif-245623370932004073

[foggy lodge]

r/vgc is one of the places of all times

[dense latch]

as if it uses its special attack LMAO

[short quiver]

it does use its attack though

[dense latch]

i swear it used to be better

[foggy lodge]

i love how they can be so confidently wrong

[dense latch]

i still have old team reports there

[foggy lodge]

I actually remember that

Cuz I tend to search certain interactions and reddit is one of the first suggested sites for answers

[molten oasis]

What the fuck

[dense latch]

this was a series 10 team i had

[foggy lodge]

And I always end up on super old posts about sw/sh and they seemed super informed on the meta and spread and everything

Idk what happened

[foggy lodge]

Did 4 berries work on a calyrex meta?

[dense latch]

i was too bad to care i believe

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[short quiver]

i dont even know what 3 of those berries do

[dense latch]

also i wrote a "small team report" according to 14 year old me

very cringey stuff

[short quiver]

252 SpA Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 124 HP / 228 SpD Moltres-Galar: 156-184 (86.1 - 101.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
if i took 16 points from hp and put it into spd would i still get a similar calc

im at 181 hp rn and i finally got a mathematical answer on why 179 would be better

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/405ad4f9247effc1 @foggy lodge i think this can be a good starting point

then try out roar incin

[foggy lodge]

We have to wait for a room tour

We have to win a room tour

[dense latch]

lando looks kinda scary

but icy wind ohkos maybe we ball

[short quiver]

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 108 HP / 244 SpD Moltres-Galar: 116-138 (64.8 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dense latch]

it hits everything but flutter for super effective

[solid frigate]

Pretty much it doesn’t throughout all the times I play Lando lol

I think it’s at least Half

[dense latch]

i have the calc a bit higher up

172 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 164-196 (100 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO so long as it's no bulk

[solid frigate]

Yeah mine has some bulk

And probably not specs that’s why I said that

[short quiver]

what does this mean????

[dense latch]

it's still a roll on max hp lando which is pretty surprising

[dense latch]

that the spread below ends on the same stats but you have an extra 24 EVs to use

means your spread isnt optimal

[short quiver]

so should i use the recommended one?

[solid frigate]

Honestly that prompt sometimes is bullshit cuz it gives mixed attacking EVs lmao

[dense latch]

yes

[short quiver]

and what do i do with the 24 extra points 😭

throw it into hp??

[dense latch]

whatever you want
whatever you need

maybe some speed your dude's slow af

[short quiver]

okay Burnice White

[short quiver]

thats intentional

[dense latch]

for what

[short quiver]

tailwind

after tailwind its speed is 224

[dense latch]

still doesnt hurt to have a bit more

get the jump on rillas

[short quiver]

now im at 115 speed

[solid frigate]

I think Rilla Runs 120+ speed

Right?

Not in EVs

[dense latch]

i imagine they're a bit bulkier on higher power formats

[short quiver]

i heard standard rilla is just 4 speed evs

[dense latch]

120 speed is 116 evs

[short quiver]

which is 106

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch fought someone from the vgc room chat on a bo3

I want tera fire ivy cudgel into their lando and they said "ohko? Must be adamant" LMAO

[dense latch]

good to know that takes care of it lmaoo

asked a friend about the team and he suggested that if we were not going with ursh maybe waterpon could be worth considering

the coverage is nice but tera fire +1 ivy cudgel might be too good to pass up on

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

But I could see waterpon

Tho my main reason for firepon was the double glide lines

Cause waterpon can do that yeah but they can't get the +1 from tera

Double glide can save your ass against Lando too

[short quiver]

double glide? oh grassy glide from pon and rilla

[foggy lodge]

And sash shifu

[molten oasis]

No reg f ladder still damn

[dense latch]

i already know this is gonna feel so nice to pull off

[timber schooner]

Good move set for landirous therian

[bold geode]

Whatever moveset involves running Incineroar and taking Landorus Therian out your builder

[dense latch]

scarf uturn and only that

[timber schooner]

Its not for support its for typing and offensive

[dense latch]

so it goes back to the boxes as fast as possible

use landorus incarnate then

[bold geode]

Yeah do you have a paste of your team? Cuz the only reason I see Landorus Therian even being around is if you need an offensive Mon with Intimidate and even then Hisuian Arcanine is right there

[solid frigate]

And there is gonna be Chien Pao lol

[timber schooner]

Sorry I don't need a wet paper bag

[short quiver]

lando t will be a wet paper bag with pao around

so jokes on you?

[molten oasis]

Lando t just, kinda sucks

It’s outclassed by a mon with significantly worse typing

[short quiver]

our trade channel system sucks 😔

[cyan smelt]

I wonder what's gonna win Brisbane

[short quiver]

i have 3 galar moltres somewhere and cant find them anywhere

im actually gonna tweak

welp guess im speed running the game yet again

[hollow echo]

yo

what up?

[shadow wind]

Arboliva

[short quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399818028623069275/1433695024532553829/image0.gif

[cyan smelt]

someone was using lurantis

[short quiver]

yeah but lurantis is a contrary mon

[dense latch]

p2 ursa kilowattrel won

ub slow the goat

[short quiver]

when did kilowattrel become meta 😭

[cyan smelt]

is that the team with tera fairy ursa

[dense latch]

yea he was running tera fairy ursa

[hollow echo]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473282656

[cyan smelt]

i saw that a few times

[dense latch]

and fiwam berry dengo

[short quiver]

do you guys know if i can trade request a pokemon caught ina particular ball? 🤔

[cyan smelt]

fiwam?

[dense latch]

fiwam stands for figy iapapa wiki aguav mago

the berries that activate at 25% and heal 33%

[cyan smelt]

oh

[solid frigate]

Aka the berries that are basically broken but got nerfed

[hollow echo]

yo

wanna see my team

https://pokepast.es/1315c0d82f60df79

[dense latch]

okay

[short quiver]

what is this team for exactly

🤨

[hollow echo]

national Dex

[dense latch]

what are these evs

none of these pokemon should be mixed attackers

[short quiver]

WHY IS CHARIZARD PHYSICALLY EVD WITHOUT A SINGLE PHYSICAL ATTACK

[dense latch]

no reason for your gardevoir to have 128 evs in attack with 0 physical moves

[dense latch]

at least that has flame charge

[short quiver]

🥀

okay so you need new evs for these mons

[hollow echo]

so you are saying

i should put them in

spa

[short quiver]

special attack

[hollow echo]

so attack should be zero?

[short quiver]

yes

[hollow echo]

i got thanks

[dense latch]

dont have both physical and special moves on these mons

[short quiver]

also why does venusaur have poison jab and leaf storm

[dense latch]

chomp, ttar and gyarados should be only physical and the other three special

[short quiver]

flame charge on char can achieve something at least?

thats the only thing that actually made sense here 😭

[dense latch]

idk if this is doubles or singles but you really don't have any support mons

trick room is pretty weird too