#competitive_discussion
short quiver
swap murkrow for roaring moon, add chienpao give zama heavy slam
bold geode
Ooo Lord
We have
A lot of work here
short quiver
also what do you gain from unburden on that sceptile
timber schooner
Nothing
bold geode
Alright so first off
Why the Sceptile
short quiver
flex pick i assume
timber schooner
I guess
bold geode
Is it something you just wanted on there
timber schooner
Yep
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/63315ae95d8212ea here's what i would do
short quiver
id genuinely suggest overgrow on the sceptile unburden with loaded dice is a useless ability 😭
dense latch
last move on pao can be sacred sword, crunch, ruination, or throat chop
bold geode
So first off imma say that making those kinda picks work in J is essentially impossible most the time
timber schooner
Ill probably do that
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/63315ae95d8212ea here's what i would do
I appreciate it but can ya gimme a min here plz
short quiver
and you need the 4 points on sceptile still
you’re wasting a stat point that can provide idk something
timber schooner
The reason its substitute instead of protect because it gets one shot by everything
bold geode
Anyways
So first off
Sceptile is probably hard as hell to use
The main thing I want us to focus on is the restricted
How did you come across Zamazenta and Kyogre
dense latch
I appreciate it but can ya gimme a min here plz
my bad i was on the builder and didnt notice you had joined to help
short quiver
zama kyogre is good isnt it
timber schooner
Sceptile the set i made makes it a monster
bold geode
my bad i was on the builder and didnt notice you had joined to help
All good, no harm, just staff tryna staff lol
I'm scared to ask
But how
short quiver
this is me with meowscarada
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
omg its only 85😭
dense latch
its special movepool is so weak too it's a shame
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
dense latch
im curious if bullet seed even KOs a kyogre
foggy lodge
The only way I can see Sceptile working is if the opponent doesn't target it in the whole match
And at that point you just from skill diff
bold geode
It has PUP 
dense latch
252+ Atk Sceptile Bullet Seed (5 hits) vs. 220 HP / 84 Def Kyogre: 180-220 (88.6 - 108.3%) -- 18.35% chance to OHKO
timber schooner
They usally do but the sub protects it
bold geode
It's too frail that if something hits it you're not gonna get it up anyways
Y'know what's pissing me off here
dense latch
They usally do but the sub protects it
sure the sub tanks but then what
foggy lodge
You are gonna get it up and its gonna instantly vanish again
timber schooner
Swords dance
bold geode
It's movepool fucking sucks but it speed ties Sneasler
foggy lodge
You would have to permanently set up substitute xd
timber schooner
It usally sures long enough to sweep some
foggy lodge
Idk I don't feel like the right metrics are being used
dense latch
does it get any neutral OHKOs
dense latch
it needs +5 Atk and 5 hits to guarantee KO an ice rider
foggy lodge
It wants to be a physical mono grass type in an Incin Zama Miraidon Koraidon Rilla Raging bolt meta
bold geode
I feel at most in Reg J you're gonna MAYBE get a game or two of use out of it with like the most jank support moveset possible
foggy lodge
Like it gets scale shot but its not stab so you are not getting the KO anyways xd
timber schooner
Terra dragon
foggy lodge
Do you REALLY want to commit your tera on Sceptile
dense latch
you kinda just get outsped and dracod
bold geode
And I'm talking jank like
Maybe Quick Guard, Helping Hand, Leaf Storm + 1?
I honestly don't know
timber schooner
It usally works out
bold geode
Cuz imma tell ya rn
If you're focusing all your offensive efforts on something like Sceptile in a format like J
Well
You ain't gonna do well at least LMAO
timber schooner
It usally gets the kills on the legendary
timber schooner
Kyoger miradon
bold geode
You're joking on Mirai
timber schooner
Nope
short quiver
if it kills a miraidon they need to find a different game to play
bold geode
Imma be real
If you REALLY wanna get the most out of Sceptile
timber schooner
Its good if you know how to use it
bold geode
How much you like Calyrex
timber schooner
It killed one
foggy lodge
if it kills a miraidon they need to find a different game to play
FR LMAO
timber schooner
Not joking
short quiver
It killed one
surely you mean shadow rider
foggy lodge
I would stop playing if a Sceptile killed my Miraidon
short quiver
I would stop playing if a Sceptile killed my Miraidon
i would also quit 🥀
timber schooner
I know
short quiver
did like 3 of the scale shots crit or something?
timber schooner
Nope its usally when I get a Swords Dance off
foggy lodge
If it doesn't hit 5 it doesn't tho
dense latch
Nope its usally when I get a Swords Dance off
so you need to hope miraidon doesnt target you twice bc it kills you with basically everything
then scale shot
foggy lodge
Sceptile dies from electro shot btw
timber schooner
Grass resist electric
short quiver
wouldnt even an Edrift without eterrain kill a sceptile 🥀
dense latch
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Sceptile in Electric Terrain: 142-168 (97.9 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
Electro drift*
timber schooner
My has max hp ev
foggy lodge
Grass resist electric
Until you remember miraidon is miraidon and it doesn't care about your resists
dense latch
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sceptile: 285-336 (161 - 189.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
the only thing that would make sceptile somewhat usable is that it's pretty fast
if you don't invest into speed it's kinda pointless
timber schooner
Nobody targets it behind the sub so it gets Swords Dance off then 💀
For the other team
short quiver
which they didn’tit has 252 hp and 252 attack apparently
short quiver
every single turn
timber schooner
It only needs to set up once
timber schooner
First you go for sub then Swords Dance then terra dragon scale shot
bold geode
Imma be honest
My best piece of advice I can give ya is to use a support set ON the Sceptile and pair it with a Calyrex Shadow Rider
That's the one way it ACTUALLY will work outside of like a few games
And even that's being generous
foggy lodge
i need to a see a match
short quiver
im all for off meta pokemon but sceptile is too far
foggy lodge
Like i really need to see the sceptile doing something in a battle
timber schooner
Is there a way for me to
short quiver
do you play on showdown?
timber schooner
I have
short quiver
so put the team on showdown
and after the match share with us the replay
we have got to see this sceptile glaze 😭
timber schooner
Hold on
bold geode
I will say the thing others have said that's the hard pill to swallow
Off meta CAN work
But a lot of the time
It needs to serve a purpose and even then it takes actual knowledge of what you're doing, and very few people actually have that knowledge
timber schooner
That is why it works
short quiver
im all for off meta but this is way too much setup 😭
foggy lodge
You can use Sceptile its not like anyone's life will change but it just really sucks
bold geode
Yeah but tbh
Sometimes there's cases where it's too much commitment
timber schooner
Mega sceptile is really good
bold geode
You don't have mega Sceptile tho
short quiver
mega sceptile is banned though
timber schooner
I am aware
foggy lodge
Was the mega even good
timber schooner
Yes
dense latch
i don't think so no
short quiver
no i dont believe it was
bold geode
Anyways I've given my advice
What you do with it is up to you
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
grass dragon with LIGHTNING ROD
timber schooner
It should be q physical attacker
foggy lodge
Its a better min max than Mega Beedrill it actually isn't that bad
timber schooner
Its a good kyoger partner
foggy lodge
grass dragon with LIGHTNING ROD
LMFAO
short quiver
Its a better min max than Mega Beedrill it actually isn't that bad
the problem is sceptile is a physical attacker, it got nuked by the physical special split
foggy lodge
As if the role of protecting the water type wasn't filled already 3 times
short quiver
leaf blade was special in gen 3
timber schooner
Sceptile needs a buff
short quiver
i think every pokemon in gens 1-4 needs their stats redistributed
short quiver
lennyin 🥀
my favorite pokemon
timber schooner
It dies if its flicked
short quiver
do you mean LEDIAN?
timber schooner
The ladybug
short quiver
yes, Ledian
timber schooner
Yes
short quiver
As if the role of protecting the water type wasn't filled already 3 times
game freak was not cooking with that ability choice
timber schooner
They should nerf it by giving it slow start its to op
short quiver
🤨
short quiver
matter of fact @dense latch sorry for ping but could you give me the paste you suggested for them
ill try the team myself
timber schooner
short quiver
im probably redistributing sceptiles stats cuz max hp and no speed is absolutely next level troll
timber schooner
Its already fast
short quiver
in a format with faster mons that doesnt mean jack shit
timber schooner
Make sure you give septile substitute instead of protect
timber schooner
Sub then sword then terra dragon scale shot
short quiver
ehy do you have booster energy on both bolt and roaring moon
timber schooner
Your choice
dense latch
ehy do you have booster energy on both bolt and roaring moon
thats my bad
bolt should be av
short quiver
sceptile didnt do fucking SHIT
not a DAMN THING
there we’re exactly 0 opportunities to even bring it in
short quiver
bolt should be av
so no protect
short quiver
got it
they brought a REG H TEAM
and i STILL had no use for Sceptile
😑
this sceptile is not cooking
game 3
this lizard sucks
timber schooner
I'm just better at using it
short quiver
you have yet to show us a game of this working
timber schooner
The sceptile has to outspeed and be able to do substitute before everything
dense latch
do you have any games you can show us for demonstration
timber schooner
My stupid account isn't working
short quiver
IT DID SOMETHING HOLY FUCK
FINALLY
5 games later. it finally got to kill 1 pokemon
good job sceptile you’re doing amazing sweetie 😭
i like off meta Pokemon but holy fuck this one takes too much work
short quiver
i think that iron defense was greedy
short quiver
its not working
timber schooner
It doesn't usally kill stuff but gets them really low
Is hyper training worth it
short quiver
are you using this team in game 
to answer your question depends on the pokemon and depends on the stat
dense latch
https://x.com/WeSpikeANDSpin/status/1983580713656922517
poor chansey stuck there forever 😭
timber schooner
Could sceptile win the world championship
dense latch
if every other grass type in the game got banned
it would probably still not be used
timber schooner
Ill get it there
It should be grass dragon and have the soul link ability
I know one thing it has going for it it is the fastest scale shot user
timber schooner
Who is going to use palkia and cylizar
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472070321-vne50c1yge6c2r7piy...
this core really just shatters without amoong and it's prob on me for not realizing that it's not great into tr
dense latch
Who is going to use palkia and cylizar
still faster
still that iron defense set you back even more
timber schooner
There's got to be something sceptile does
dense latch
if you had taunt roaring moon maybe it'd be manageable
timber schooner
Sceptile is to fragile
dense latch
we've been trying to say that to you for the past hour or two
using niche pokemon is fine but sceptile is way too big of a hold back since it really just does nothing
foggy lodge
At that point even whimsicott is better😭
foggy lodge
poor chansey stuck there forever 😭
Fr
Man please rework freeze to frostbite in champions
timber schooner
short quiver
Who is going to use palkia and cylizar
i would use cyclizar
foggy lodge
Aw they only gave raging and walking new sprites
I don't want to see iron crown as a cropped low quality png anymore
short quiver
Maybe endure endeavor set
JUST USE WHIMSICOTT THEN 😭
foggy lodge
Whimsicott does well with Kyogre
Resists electric and has encore
So you can invalidate plays of protect to avoid taking water spout
foggy lodge
Mhm
I think its a bit underrated
But tbf every tailwind setter has its niche on Kyogre teams
Roaring and Jugulis are dark with proto boost
short quiver
I think its a bit underrated
whimsicott? underrated???? what????
timber schooner
This thing is amazing at endeavor team vacuum wave
foggy lodge
Roaring resists fwg cores and Jugulis is inmune to ground
foggy lodge
whimsicott? underrated???? what????
I mean Kyogre + Whimsi
You almost always see Tornadus or Jugulis or Roaring
short quiver
This thing is amazing at endeavor team vacuum wave
who are we talking about now
timber schooner
Sceptile
foggy lodge
This thing is amazing at endeavor team vacuum wave
Its giving showdown yt shorts vibe
"Ratatta beats full legendaries team with this BROKEN strat"
short quiver
just use raichu at that point it does the same fucking thing 😭
timber schooner
Sceptile is faster
short quiver
which doesnt mean shit cuz it dies if you fucking breath on it
timber schooner
Focus sash
short quiver
which is obvious because of endeavor
and it becomes the most useless mon of all time
timber schooner
At least it can do something
short quiver
there are dozens of mons that do the same thing better 😭
timber schooner
Im just trying to make it do something
foggy lodge
It just seems like
Trying to put a duct tape over a hole on a glass only for the pressure to make another hole that you block and repeat
short quiver
foggy lodge
That ad is legendary
short quiver
truly
foggy lodge
btw WE MAYBE HAVE A NEW FORMAT ANNOUNCED TOMORROW
short quiver
foggy lodge
dense latch
i can’t wait for it to be reg i again!! thank you tpci!!
foggy lodge
New reg starts on december and all the regulations are announced one month before they are available
foggy lodge
i can’t wait for it to be reg i again!! thank you tpci!!
Idk if I take that over reg H
short quiver
i can’t wait for it to be reg i again!! thank you tpci!!
GET OUT 🗣️🗣️
dense latch
i still need to play a local in reg h with volc :(
short quiver
im still trying this guys team
foggy lodge
We talked about smeargle here but like
dense latch
potential mon except there's no potential
timber schooner
What is regulation i
foggy lodge
I asked some pro players and they said the take smeargle over sneasler because a lucky moody only gets you so far while a lucky smeargle may just kill your family
dense latch
give me four free turns or i retire
short quiver
potential mon except there's no potential
it had potential, in gen 3 before the physical special split
dense latch
I asked some pro players and they said the take smeargle over sneasler because a...
the thing is
smeargle csr
smeargle gets a speed boost
decorate
astral
ggs shake my hand
foggy lodge
Fr
dense latch
that happened way too often for me im still traumatized
foggy lodge
Moody should be nerfed again
dense latch
yuma team is nightmarish
short quiver
or just removed
dense latch
just leave smeargle to die again pls
foggy lodge
Juanfi said that the evasion and accuracy boosts being removed were a buff to moody
And I 100% agree because it makes getting the speed boost/drop more likely
short quiver
solution: make smeargle a restricted pokemon. boom.
dense latch
make it illegal for smeargle to hold a sash
foggy lodge
I like smeargle leave him alone
short quiver
ban all use of it
ban the move sketch
and nerf decorate like they nerfed dark void
short quiver
and leave alcremie sad cuz her move is nerfed and its not even her fault
timber schooner
Moveset assurance giga drain endeavor protect
short quiver
Moveset assurance giga drain endeavor protect
what the fuck?
foggy lodge
What is the giga drain for
short quiver
what is assurance for 😭
timber schooner
Vacuum wave instead of giga drain
foggy lodge
So a rattata
short quiver
literally
timber schooner
Nope I made it so it wants to take damage ready what assurance does
short quiver
also a sturdy aron
short quiver
Nope I made it so it wants to take damage ready what assurance does
do you know what assurance does 😑
it just does double damage if youve already been damaged that turn
so why do you have it+endeavor 😑
foggy lodge
The thing is
timber schooner
This pokemon is dog water
foggy lodge
Assurance does almost nothing for it cuz it's your second fastest mon
short quiver
This pokemon is dog water
we’ve been trying to tell you for hours
foggy lodge
And the point on assurance is moving as the last one xe
I loved assurance gambit with electabuzz
Fast kingambit with electabuzz follow me swords dance then electroweb assurance
short quiver
lmao that sounds gimmicky as hell, but fun
foggy lodge
It was meta on reg H
short quiver
everything was meta in reg H
foggy lodge
Well assurance was a niche option
timber schooner
What about scope lens leaf blade
short quiver
What about scope lens leaf blade
scope lens doesnt boost leaf blades already existing crit chance
foggy lodge
Most just used kowtow cuz it was more consistent
timber schooner
It actually does
short quiver
it doesnt
timber schooner
I tested it in game
foggy lodge
Wait it doesn't?
short quiver
no
foggy lodge
It should I remember tealpon running scope lens
short quiver
scope lens doesnr stack ontop of moves preixisting crit chances
short quiver
I tested it in game
you cant test that in game lmao
its literally rng for leaf blades to crit already
kings rock doesnt stack on top of moves chances to flinch either
unfortunately
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
Its just an increase in ratio
timber schooner
What about life orb leaf storm
dense latch
im just gonna be honest
there's probably not a single set that can be suggested for sceptile that will change me and likely anyone's mind on the fact that it's just a really bad pokemon
but if you want to use it then go ahead
timber schooner
I know how bad it is
foggy lodge
Yeah you can use it is just that
We can only get Sceptile so far until it shows all its flaws xd
Depends on you if you keep it after seeing the flaws or change it
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
timber schooner
What about acrobats terra flying
short quiver
you literally have roaring moon
foggy lodge
If you want an unburden mon with that set use sneasler with grassy seed
Which is still washed on reg J
And you also would need to use a consumable item
short quiver
the absolute best thing i can say for sceptile is it has roar
and quick guard
it gets detect
interesting
yeah ill just stick with my cat at least my cat can achieve something
foggy lodge
what would y'all do to balance rng
I feel like my changes would almost make this game playable on an excel so idk if I'm doing the right thing LMAO
dense latch
just remove freeze
foggy lodge
Honestly
dense latch
i think crits are necessary for the game
foggy lodge
I would nerf crits more
short quiver
freeze is very similar to para tho
foggy lodge
I wouldn't remove it but nerf them
short quiver
I would nerf crits more
nah i think theyre fine where they are rn
foggy lodge
I feel like getting a random +1 out of nowhere basically can be super frustrating
I also would remove most secondary status
Like if a move has a secondary effect below 20% I would just remove it
But idk like
This game needs rng tbh
Is strictly tied to rng to its core so maybe its okay like it is
I still would nerf freeze and para those things shouldn just shut down your mon
short quiver
i stand by my take that every pokemon from the first 4 generations need a a stat redistribution. except smeargle cuz fuck that fucking thing
foggy lodge
Oh they do
dense latch
i say this so much
i think the world would be a better place if moonblast didnt have a 30% chance to drop special attack
foggy lodge
Those were made for mechanics that are 20 years outdated by now
dense latch
when it's used agaisnt you it messes up all your calcs
when you use it it triggers defiant on annihilape and it sweeps your entire team
foggy lodge
I just think some secondary effects are dumb
short quiver
Those were made for mechanics that are 20 years outdated by now
the game was so much simpler before the physical special split 😔
foggy lodge
Tbolt into paralyze into full para feels so horrible LMAO
Like it doesn't happen often but sucks when it does
dense latch
95 BP fairy move aka best type in the game 100% accuracy dude that's enough
upper zealot
its crazy how moonblast has 95bp, 100acc, and a 30% drop chance while play rough has 90bp, 90acc, and a 10%
short quiver
special favoritism
foggy lodge
And special intimidate doesn't exist btw
short quiver
And special intimidate doesn't exist btw
assault vest does though
and we dont have a physical AV
short quiver
i have discovered 3 of my favorite mons are intimidate pokemon
upper zealot
i think the world might end if gamefreak ever adds a physical av
short quiver
mawile mightyena and masquerain (yes all gen 3 shush)
dense latch
physical attackers get shot point blank with a shotgun twice
special attackers get a paper cut
foggy lodge
I also think the disguise and gale wings nerfs should be reverted
short quiver
isnt the talonflame line the only pokemon to have gale wings?
short quiver
remember when wolfey used a gale wings Fletchling in a normal only challenge
foggy lodge
But you gave Whimsicott and Tornadus prio tailwind + prio status moves like what is the point anymore LOL
"oh but brave bird" its 81 base atk you are fine
short quiver
But you gave Whimsicott and Tornadus prio tailwind + prio status moves like what...
didnt whim already have prio tailwind when talonflame had og galewings?
foggy lodge
If you let it spam brave bird enough it will literally die to itself like its maneagable
foggy lodge
didnt whim already have prio tailwind when talonflame had og galewings?
Idt so?
I don't remember
short quiver
pretty sure it did
foggy lodge
Wait yeah I think it did?
Whimsi won worlds in sun and moon
And Cottonee won a regional in sun and moon too
short quiver
hidden abilites were added in gen 5
timber schooner
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472107248-eq65fseqflf8fcug64...
your opponent an idiot 💀
they rage powdered into a grass type and sleeping bird
timber schooner
At least I found a usable set
timber schooner
I am aware
short quiver
that wasnt reg h it was just a conveniently reg h team
foggy lodge
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2472107248-eq65fseqflf8fcug64...
Its one of the matches of all times
They lead Indeedee Amoonguss to do ?????
short quiver
Its one of the matches of all times
they had a reg h team
foggy lodge
Murkrow tries to prankster in psychic terrain
short quiver
yep
foggy lodge
Amoonguss tries to spore a grass type
short quiver
yep
foggy lodge
Amoonguss tries to redirect a grass type
short quiver
and then tries to rage powder into a grass type 😭
timber schooner
Is the set usable
timber schooner
Is the set good
foggy lodge
No
timber schooner
Why
short quiver
you leaf storm, drop your SpA and then what
foggy lodge
Anything that is supposed to make Sceptile work won't be good
Its usable if you close your eyes enough but it's not good
dense latch
becuase it's a sceptile
timber schooner
Haze will clear the affects
short quiver
which is a waste of a turn
foggy lodge
Cheaper gholdengo murkrow combo😭
short quiver
on a single target move instead of dengos spread mive
foggy lodge
And drops two levels instead of one like dengo
As I said
You can use a set that somewhat works decently enough
But comp chat can only get you so far with Sceptile and the limit was already hitted
dense latch
the perfect set for sceptile will still result in a bad pokemon slot on your team
because it's a sceptile
foggy lodge
There's no point in repeating the same thing every two matches
short quiver
its bad. thats all we got for you
foggy lodge
Mhm
short quiver
im glad my cat can achieve something 
short quiver
did you eat the guitar pick
dense latch
nooo wtf what happened
short quiver
it looks tasty
short quiver
😔
dense latch
it looks tasty
but like can you or can you not confirm this now
just out of curiosity
foggy lodge
It doesn't taste like anything
short quiver
i can confirm guitar picks are yummy snacks
dense latch
maybe they're like switch carts
https://x.com/YTpublic/status/1843664909458149872 was looking through some old bookmarks
X
i miss pult sneasler
short quiver
what exactly does pult sneasler do
dense latch
be fast and stupid strong kinda
it's HO disguised as balance bc there's a kingambit and a rillaboom
foggy lodge
https://x.com/YTpublic/status/1843664909458149872 was looking through some old b...
Delphox on MUs to consider
dense latch
i havent seen a vivillon in so long
short quiver
which tier is mu
foggy lodge
MUs is match ups
short quiver
i havent seen a vivillon in so long
just cuz you said this in front of me im gonna cook a vivillon
dense latch
which tier is mu
it goes
OU
UU
RU
MU
NU
PU
ZU
true story
short quiver
it goes
OU
UU
RU
**MU**
NU
PU
ZU
true story
so MU is, quite literally, mid.
foggy lodge
i havent seen a vivillon in so long
I think people just opt for better mons
It has almost a spore tho
I think sleep powder on vivillon is like 97% accuracy?
short quiver
i think so
dense latch
so MU is, quite literally, mid.
yeah it's a very real and legit mid tier
foggy lodge
And its decently fast with tailwind sleep powder and flying coverage
Its fine just that
dense latch
that davide miraglia core really died the second it won a regional lol
foggy lodge
It also isn't great on this meta
dense latch
yk what also died kinda fast
foggy lodge
that davide miraglia core really died the second it won a regional lol
Because that team
dense latch
basc sash teams
foggy lodge
Doesn't beat Sneasler
dense latch
it won a regional and then kinda disappeared
foggy lodge
And Sneasler was optimized right after Dortmund
short quiver
why would basc use sash
dense latch
because rillaboom
foggy lodge
End game sweeper basically
dense latch
because sucker punch
short quiver
because rillaboom
uh just kill it with last respects
foggy lodge
Kid named glide
dense latch
it kinda guarantees a last respects in the end game
short quiver
kid named change the terrain
foggy lodge
Sash blocks it from killing you
foggy lodge
kid named change the terrain
What are you gonna change the terrain with
Indeedee doesn't slot on sash basc teams
And like that set needs aqua jet
short quiver
pincurchin 
short quiver
lmao
foggy lodge
Won a regional***
short quiver
foggy lodge
Its 1 am don't judge me
dense latch
it's almost 2 am where you live i think it's ok
short quiver
its 1 am here too
foggy lodge
It was on a balance comp
With Incineroar Maushold Gholdengo Ursaluna bloodmoon and dragonite
foggy lodge
I think that team wasn't really that good
short quiver
what does balance comp mean i keep seeing that term and it make 0 sense to me
foggy lodge
More like just a meta call
foggy lodge
what does balance comp mean i keep seeing that term and it make 0 sense to me
Bulky mons that do damage
Hyper offense is lot of damage frail mons
short quiver
i like HO
foggy lodge
Balance is the in between
dense latch
balance is all about controlling the pace of the battle
foggy lodge
You switch a lot with those teams too
Cuz everyone is so bulky that everyone can tank hits
dense latch
it'll have things like intimidate or fake out to slow down the game
short quiver
yuck
dense latch
and those tools benefit from switching too
foggy lodge
Its usually the best archetype on every format
short quiver
You switch a lot with those teams too
does this mean my white kyurem team is a balance team
foggy lodge
Incineroar amoonguss urshifu rilla raging are common pieces for balance
Ogerpon is also common for them
short quiver
does this mean my white kyurem team is a balance team
foggy lodge
Not every mon is bulky but you always have those pieces that are meant to tank hits
short quiver
Ogerpon is also common for them
PONIIIIIIIIIIII
short quiver
https://pokepast.es/7ae86c030bf4c3f0
that meowstic can TANK btw
bulkiest meme cat of all time
foggy lodge
does this mean my white kyurem team is a balance team
Seems like in between
I mean not every team has a tag that describes its archetype but yeah you could say its a bit balancish
For example the team that won worlds 2024 is like
3 different archetypes at the same time lol
foggy lodge
I downloaded an extension that gives those mons a sprite
I only have it on my computer tho
short quiver
my team is really fun too
white kyurem zacian was my restricted duo this whole time
foggy lodge
Dude it's been 2 years since Ogerpon was released
Give her the fucking showdown sprite lmao
short quiver
i never would have considered trying this duo but thanks to Paul helping with this team i found my duo
dense latch
I downloaded an extension that gives those mons a sprite
i forgot that was an extension i had and not part of showdown lol
short quiver
i play showdown on my phone not my computer
dense latch
has pokepaste just not been updated for years
foggy lodge
Nope
short quiver
has pokepaste just not been updated for years
ig not cuz poni still doesnt have a sprite
foggy lodge
Also all the moves have a tiny square with the color of their types
short quiver
mhm
foggy lodge
And I think none of the sv dlc moves have that square
short quiver
if i brought a mawile to reg h how bad would i be trolling
foggy lodge
You wouldn't be trolling that hard if it was tho
Like its still bad but
You can do SOMETHING with it
Steel fairy type with intimidate
short quiver
intimidate+steel fairy+minmaxxed stats
we have what 3 steel fairy types?
mawile klefki zacian crowned?
foggy lodge
Tinkaton line
short quiver
oh shi
lmao my bad tinkaton
wonder how farigiraf being flinched by tinkaton makes farigiraf feel
foggy lodge
Threatened
short quiver
shoutout to the guy i fought earlier with a perrserker in reg J lmao
foggy lodge
It doesn't really do anything but its not about doing something
Its about sending a message
foggy lodge
Remember when hard TR was real
Calyrex Ice is so broken it really was the only way hard TR could be good
short quiver
ice rider is the better of the two
shadow rider is so mid 😭
which sucks cuz spectrier looks so fucking cool
im gonna start shiny hunting an oricorio
timber schooner
short quiver
why didnt you energyball the rilla
why did you clear the grassy terrain
why did they parting shot your chienpao
why did that energyball do so little damage
timber schooner
Light screen
short quiver
now what about the other 3 questions
short quiver
next time they give you a free grassy terrain dont clear it
also ts is NOT viable
they didn’t have a single restricted pokemon
you’re showing us MUs where the opponent is simply not
using mons availabe in the ruleset
cyan smelt
it's not though
short quiver
we’ve been trying to tell him that for hours 😭
short quiver
🤨
cyan smelt
low ladder games don't mean anything
timber schooner
It can one shot restricted
timber schooner
I don't think a kyoger built correctly could survive a life orb terra stab leaf storm
Also super effective
short quiver
they also fucking rage powdered against a grass type
timber schooner
I know
short quiver
you’re getting lucky your opponents are idiots
timber schooner
Anything that is weak to that sceptile is going to be one shot
short quiver
anything?
timber schooner
Yes
short quiver
are you SURE about that
timber schooner
If its super effective
timber schooner
Why you say that
short quiver
wait till you fight a tera water ice rider calyrex
timber schooner
The The attack did 338 damage
short quiver
uhhuh
timber schooner
Did the calculations
short quiver
keep going you’ll find opponents you cant beat soon enough
timber schooner
Anything weak to grass will be deleted
short quiver
that is wishful thinking
timber schooner
Could this one shot primal kyoger
timber schooner
I did the calculations if it is fully spd maxed it has a 10 percent chance to survive
stone trellis
Good luck.
The opposing Ogerpon-Hearthflame used Follow Me!
Sceptile used Leaf Storm!
(It's not very effective...)
The opposing Ogerpon-Hearthflame lost 12% of its health!
timber schooner
It really only one shots if the pokemon is weak to grass
stone trellis
No shit, Sherlock.
short quiver
fork found in the kitchen
stone trellis
If you want a one-shotting tool, Miraidon's right there.
stone trellis
It's so cracked that men EV against a NEUTRAL Electro Drift/Draco.
Hell, you could even use Sceptile WITH Mirai.
Electric Seed procs Unburden.
stone trellis
Boo-hoo, work with it.
short quiver
They should have gave it competitive
it has it in its mega form called lightning rod
which for some reason they gave to a grass dragon
timber schooner
Who ever made sceptile was probably high as hell
short quiver
blaziken is carried by speed boost and 110 in both its offensive stats
which sceptile WISHES it had
timber schooner
Sceptile is the definition of ass
short quiver
no thats weedle
timber schooner
Weedle is 4 times resistance to grass
stone trellis
Swampert's stat distribution was so good that Incineroar copied it.
short quiver
yup
timber schooner
So it probably cant kill that
short quiver
and as i said blaziken has speed boost and 110 in both its offensuve stats
short quiver
So it probably cant kill that
swampert is also quad weak to grass
stone trellis
One weakness, great movepool and great offensive typing.
short quiver
and good defensive stats
stone trellis
Hey Reeperking, wanna have a match later?
timber schooner
Sceptile is trash weedle is better
stone trellis
I heard you use Zamazenta-Kyogre...
timber schooner
Yep
short quiver
hey paul that reminds me
stone trellis
Yeah?
timber schooner
Sceptile with huge power
short quiver
white kyurem zacian is definitely my res duo
i never would have discovered it
thanks
short quiver
Sceptile with huge power
uhhhhh no
stone trellis
You're welcome.
timber schooner
I have a team with kyoger and groudon on it
short quiver
You're welcome.
ill probably lose but we can battle
stone trellis
@timber schooner Just ping me once you are ready.
timber schooner
Im ready
short quiver
I have a team with kyoger and groudon on it
timber schooner
Its night time for me
timber schooner
I know
short quiver
I have a team with kyoger and groudon on it
may i ask why? 😭
timber schooner
You can switch between a sun team and a rain team
short quiver
timber schooner
Kyoger has Tera fire Tera blast and groundon has Tera water Tera blast
short quiver
https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-teto-kasane-fortnite-fortnite-memes-gif-5817265686688081763
timber schooner
So they can both benefit from each other if on the field at the same time
short quiver
🥀
timber schooner
Its really hard to take off the feild
cyan smelt
that's dumb
waxen dock
Kyoger has Tera fire Tera blast and groundon has Tera water Tera blast
water is red fire is blue moment
first of all, choose if you are running sun team, or a rain team cuz you cant run both
solid frigate
Unless your name is Primal Kyogre and Groudon which we don’t talk about it since that’s VGC 2016
cyan smelt
torrent randbats was the worst idea ever, i hate it
short quiver
dont you love when you cant reset your password cuz it never gives you an email verification
solid frigate
torrent randbats was the worst idea ever, i hate it
Honestly it’s more because of low mental than randbats is shitty-
But I guess
cyan smelt
pvp is garbage and i hate pokemon because of it
short quiver
is this a skill issue crash out
cyan smelt
i literally can't play pvp
short quiver
you should try unite them you’ll REALLY hate pvp
solid frigate
Unite is worse lol
cyan smelt
no matter what the game is, i'm garbage at it
short quiver
unite is league of legends without a team chat
which makes it better immediately
cyan smelt
i suppose i should go register for brisbane although i'm thinking what's the point
waxen dock
i suppose i should go register for brisbane although i'm thinking what's the poi...
Are you af brisbane now?
cyan smelt
no
waxen dock
So if yku want
solid frigate
no matter what the game is, i'm garbage at it
Is there any game you are mildly confident on
cyan smelt
not really
solid frigate
Not even one?
cyan smelt
i suck at games
cyan smelt
so i don't think i'll bother doing the registration
waxen dock
so i don't think i'll bother doing the registration
So how did you plan to go to brisbane?
short quiver
cyan smelt
The team went horrible in bo3 and I have no answer to a9 balance
real prairie
You like playing balance, just try the A9 team 🤷🏼♂️
cyan smelt
If I can solve that then the team is workable
I'll try the a9 team
It's a good team
But with my current team maybe if I replaced electabuzz with gholdengo would that work?
I have no idea
Grassy seed gholdengo could work
What is the a9 team even
solid frigate
Well idk if I want to participate anymore, I don't have a team
I mean look
I seen someone done 0-8 in Birmingham and they still keep going (they have fucking Jolteon)
It’s not about results,it’s about experience in the regional
Heck my team was half baked
Like I’m using an arubega with Iron Crown and Flutter Mane and no Prio check,My Flutter Mane is only speedcreeping Roaring Moon in booster by 1 point
If it doesn’t work then reflect over the experience and try it next time
We don’t have to always push to Day two on first Regionals,heck getting into Day 2 is already difficult for most players
cyan smelt
The core of Blaziken gambit rilla buzz seems good but again a9 balance is a struggle, I could add sneasler instead of dnite maybe
real prairie
usually its focus sash A9 with protect, encore, Blizzard
cyan smelt
But then that's two fighting types
real prairie
wait thats not the right team, sorry its early.
one sec
thats the big 6 - A9 balance
cyan smelt
Yep that's what I struggle against
Anything acro sneasler I struggle against
Blaziken is just not fast enough
short quiver
I mean look
I seen someone done 0-8 in Birmingham and they still keep going (th...
whats wrong with my boi jolten 😔
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
for gen 1 cmon its not that bad
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
cyan smelt
do i need bulk on ursaluna bm
next stump
not if you have tailwind or another form of speed control
cyan smelt
this a9 balance is no good against the bee team
timber schooner
I have a strat involving magic gaurd
cyan smelt
i'm not doing well with the a9 balance team
timber schooner
When is the regenaiol
cyan smelt
i'm going rubbish with this team so thanks for nothing whoever mentioned it
i'm just not gonna do vgc anymore
waxen dock
i'm going even worse with this team
So try a diffrent team, i can give you my team if you want
I got top 10 with it in bo1 and its pretty easy to pilot
Give it a chance
cyan smelt
i just needed some getting used to with the a9 balance team i think
but gholdengo needs more bulk i think
upper zealot
ido are you in the fall seasonal
cyan smelt
ok i'm finally enjoying using this team
cyan smelt
gholdengo and blursa need more bulk
foggy lodge
this a9 balance is no good against the bee team
Its a hard MU
cyan smelt
i did manage to beat it, if they lead the bee then i just fake it out and acro
foggy lodge
What did they lead
cyan smelt
the bee and kommo-o
real prairie
its well and truely GC week
cyan smelt
yeah i think if i face it tomorrow i'm just screwed
cyan smelt
i mean i could lead rilla sneasler into it but then i lose sneasler
cyan smelt
yeah but then they have ape
foggy lodge
What ape
cyan smelt
annihilape
foggy lodge
That team doesn't have annihilape?
cyan smelt
oh the one i played did
foggy lodge
I think you just faced a weird variant
cyan smelt
low ladder bo3
foggy lodge
I feel like a9 is not it for the balance team rn
I like Smeargle or Dragonite on the A9 slot
cyan smelt
what does smeargle do
real prairie
A9 team is the team to beat still i think, marco silva team wont have been practiced enough since last week to be present in Brisbane
foggy lodge
Fake out follow me to set up the other attackers and spore frees up the yawn on the blursa to run calm mind
And it has tailwind for speed control which is superior to A9's icy wind
Ninetales was there mostly for the rain MU and it covered ground types fine
But Smeargle also does well into rain
What I saw is that some Dnites are going jolly now because of Smeargle
cyan smelt
idt i have time to get the moves on smeargle
real prairie
you just face ditto, its pretty quick. but i wouldn't use anything you aren't comfortable with
cyan smelt
i want to use smeargle because it'd be funny
stone trellis
I'm doing the moves on Ditto.
Smeargle, not Ditto.
So Fake Out, Follow Me, TW and Spiky Shield?
cyan smelt
spore
foggy lodge
You always need spore
What I think you could change is fake out for wide guard
Because wide guard cooks the original variant of the team
You wall A9 and Gholdengo with wide guard
cyan smelt
hmmm that sounds good
foggy lodge
I recommend testing it
I've been using smeargle and it feels way better than A9 but that's just my experience
cyan smelt
walling stuff like gholdengo, a9 and heat wave and muddy water stuff sounds great
also rock slide
and hyper voice
cyan smelt
so many use cases
foggy lodge
Mhm
And like fake out is good but you already have double fakr out on Incin Rilla
So you could easily drop it
real prairie
I love fucking with Arch mirrors https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2472290608-q3063ol25aiqgb75vqfjdj9po0owc21pw
cyan smelt
specs politoed hits hard
what was that replay you posted yesterday about the stall
found it
real prairie
specs politoed hits hard
has a great move pool with Ice beam and earth power too
stone trellis
Ice Beam and EP are the GOATs in terms of coverage.
@cyan smelt Good luck at Brisbane, friend.
Hope you get far.
foggy lodge
X
bold geode
https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1774575387898470840
Don't get my ass like that LOL
real prairie
<@489940982217965570> Good luck at Brisbane, friend.
looking forward to seeing him on stream (assuming Brisbane is streamed lol )
cyan smelt
It isn't
cyan smelt
Yes
solid frigate
https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1774575387898470840
YES THANK YOU I PREFER THIS
gentle cragBOT
YES THANK YOU I PREFER THIS
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd
stone trellis
A9 balance.
Lefties Tera Electric UBM, Safety Goggles Incin, Smeargle with Spore instead of A9, Lorb Dengo, Grassy Seed Acrobatics Sneasler and AV Rilla.
I EV'd his stuff.
And I made the Incineroar and Smeargle he's going to use.
waxen dock
<@&663761167176433665>
violet parcel
gone
real prairie
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2472378766-31s2ax3llowrjukgh6t82bqwpryc3e1pw
AV BLURSA survives that, what'da know
i hovered over protect on Ape too
live and learn
real prairie
YES THANK YOU I PREFER THIS
Look at the date on the post 😭
rustic mountain
https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1774575387898470840
i do wonder if we actually get a new ruleset release on the 1st since in game will still be reg j
foggy lodge
I think they should announce it for tournaments
stone trellis
Doubt they'd do it this early.
foggy lodge
Like one month of anticipation is just the right amount of time for people to start testing
rustic mountain
yea
stone trellis
Doubt they'd do it this early.
Reg H 2 has been around for two months, has it not?
Yeah, three months could work.
foggy lodge
Reg H only lasts three months
stone trellis
What would a theoretical Reg K even be?
rustic mountain
yep 2 so far no irl tours in nov tho
foggy lodge
November is the final month of it
rustic mountain
What would a theoretical Reg K even be?
itd likely be a repeat format of something else
reg c, reg f etc
stone trellis
yep 2 so far no irl tours in nov tho
Brisbane is on November 1-2.
foggy lodge
yep 2 so far no irl tours in nov tho
There are
rustic mountain
oh there are?
foggy lodge
LAIC is in uhh 2 weeks I think
rustic mountain
i remember hearing we had none weird
foggy lodge
In december we have nothing
stone trellis
Maybe December?
foggy lodge
But also like wtf
rustic mountain
eh most ppl arent as available during the holidays
foggy lodge
Cuz we have nothing on december and idt there are any regionals announced for january so?
foggy lodge
Yeah but I think if they release champions they would do a pause of some weeks for it
Cuz you have to see the game actually working properly
rustic mountain
nah fuck it we ball
dense latch
https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1774575387898470840
ppl retweeting this every 31st will kill me someday
foggy lodge
Or maybe they don't care SV released like that for a reason LOL
rustic mountain
i think realistically champions will b feb-march
foggy lodge
Yeah
rustic mountain
id just prefer it sooner
foggy lodge
I wanted champions to be ready for EUIC but doesn't look like it will be
rustic mountain
ppl retweeting this every 31st will kill me someday
reg g part 3 would be literal torture
foggy lodge
Its most likely reg I
stone trellis
Do any of you guys have one of those berries that reduce Sp. Def EVs?
foggy lodge
4 months of reg I followed by 3 months of reg H followed by other 3 months of reg I
I hate it here
real prairie
stone trellis
I'd love a rerun of Reg I.
real prairie
I'd love a rerun of Reg I.
id love a re-run of Reg 1
foggy lodge
I want reg F
real prairie
actually Ludicolo wasn't in reg 1, forget that
solid frigate
Look at the date on the post 😭
Yeah I know I’m just coping cuz Reg H destroyed my sanity
foggy lodge
But like drop the fucking restricteds man
You chose reg H rerun for a reason keep them banned
solid frigate
Reg F would be the perfect format to rerun yeah
Idc about Bolt usage we have Lando
stone trellis
Reg I has been the most fun out of the three formats I've played so far.
Well, four, but Reg J is just Reg I with 2 Magearnas per ladder session.
stone trellis
You do you.
I still need the berry that lowers Special Defense EVs.
I don't have enough money to train Hydreigon all over again either.
rustic mountain
Reg F would be the perfect format to rerun yeah
Idc about Bolt usage we have La...
yea id prefer reg f as well but reg c wouldnt be the worst either
solid frigate
Reg I has been the worst of the 4 regs I've played LOL
Middle of the road for me but yeah
foggy lodge
Reg C Dozo Ting-Lu❤️
real prairie
I don't have enough money to train Hydreigon all over again either.
if its simple EVs you could train it manually
solid frigate
yea id prefer reg f as well but reg c wouldnt be the worst either
The only reason I’m still Team Reg F is that Reg C Propaganda is everywhere lol
Frankly idm both but I just want Lando Back
stone trellis
if its simple EVs you could train it manually
148, 4, 156, 4, 196.
real prairie
i usually do that with speed because farming jumpluff to kill is easy, they kill themselves with momento half the time
dense latch
i’ve only played three regs and two of them have been twice 😭
foggy lodge
Starting in late SV VGC was actually a torture
stone trellis
I need the berry, I want to be done by tonight.
waxen dock
i played g h and i and a little f
rustic mountain
erik thats tough lmao
dense latch
ghgih
sounds like someone drowning
waxen dock
i started playing like late april 2024
stone trellis
I started playing around January of this year.
rustic mountain
i started in like mid 2021
foggy lodge
I started on january 2023
dense latch
no format has beat those few months i played swsh series 10
rustic mountain
series 10 was truly peak
solid frigate
Mid SV VGC feels better for me
I only played VGC seriously cuz Archaludon in Reg F
I did play Reg C for a bit
foggy lodge
Series 10 was no dynamax right
dense latch
yea single restricted
rustic mountain
yep 1 restricted no dmax
foggy lodge
Omg that sounds so cool🥀
dense latch
no gimmicks just straight up mons
rustic mountain
it was very cool
foggy lodge
I should have played that
stone trellis
if its simple EVs you could train it manually
What's the name of the berry?