TBF it just says Peli has it as an ability, doesn't say it's available in Oras 🤣 it's just a dick for mentioning it in that context
#competitive_discussion
short quiver
it says “In Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby the primary pokemon that have the ability Drizzle are Kyogre and Pelipper”
real prairie
it says “*In Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby the primary pokemon that have...
Okay yeah it's being a bitch then
real prairie
Never trust AI overview
cyan smelt
time to play more reg h
short quiver
im waiting for amazon to deliver my package so i can play Omega Ruby
and figure out what mon im gonna teach rain dance
how come 4 pokemon have drought but only 3 have drizzle
technically 5 have drought cuz of orichalcum pulse
real prairie
im waiting for amazon to deliver my package so i can play Omega Ruby
if its an original keep it sealed lol play on an emulator 🤣
real prairie
how come 4 pokemon have drought but only 3 have drizzle
because they see rain as OP so they keep nerfing it
look at poor surf
short quiver
if its an original keep it sealed lol play on an emulator 🤣
its a legitimate nintendo product its a bundle of both ORAS games
real prairie
its a legitimate nintendo product its a bundle of both ORAS games
IF it is, keep that bad boy in the packaging imo lol
real prairie
haha alr
real prairie
how much that set you down? or have the 3ds games not been hit with the cart surge yet
know my copy of emerald is worth like $150 without a box lol
short quiver
cost me 95$ on amazon
real prairie
thats basically RRP
short quiver
for both games
real prairie
especially with inflation
short quiver
i mean 40 bucks was standard 3ds game price wasnt it?
real prairie
yeah, there or there abouts
short quiver
😁
real prairie
🤞 its genuine bud
real prairie
Direct from Nintendo, thats wild
how many copies did they make they are still selling it 🤣
cyan smelt
fuck randbats
short quiver
how many copies did they make they are still selling it 🤣
enough for me to get it for under 100 bucks with same day delivery on amazon
real prairie
enough for me to get it for under 100 bucks with same day delivery on amazon
If i owned a 3ds that would be tempting
real prairie
I used to have one, think i traded it in when i was a teenager lol
short quiver
i have a 3ds xl and a 2ds
real prairie
i could never actually use the 3d so felt wasted on me
short quiver
i trade myself between my copies of USUM
im gonna use double intimidate pokemon
since mawile and mightyena both conveniently have intimidate
cyan smelt
gliscor and gambit are really effective anti-incin tools damn
i love gliscor and gambit
i barely bring dnite though, maybe i should replace it with palafin
real prairie
i barely bring dnite though, maybe i should replace it with palafin
Going in circles buddy
cyan smelt
well rilla, blaziken, gambit, buzz seems super solid
cyan smelt
but i struggle against other balance teams and tr
waxen dock
i barely bring dnite though, maybe i should replace it with palafin
Helps again dozo teams
cyan smelt
this team is no good
cyan smelt
turns out blaziken is great against ursaluna bm
waxen dock
turns out blaziken is great against ursaluna bm
But its very buljy can use earth power and if you have sash, he can use vaccum wave
cyan smelt
idk i've been one-shotting it with aura sphere
waxen dock
waxen dock
idk i've been one-shotting it with aura sphere
so its probably lorb
cyan smelt
i need to go over my replays when i fought it
cyan smelt
i'm screwed if it's AV
cyan smelt
blaziken, gambit, rilla, buzz, dnite, gliscor
waxen dock
blaziken, gambit, rilla, buzz, dnite, gliscor
paste
cyan smelt
waxen dock
seems like a solid team
cyan smelt
i need practice with it
foggy lodge
X
chrome knot
it stole my liquid voice,,,,
waxen dock
when do this get announced?
they say they wo;; anounce it at later time but when is the later time
cyan smelt
my team is not good i'm losing too much
waxen dock
my team is not good i'm losing too much
battle me
foggy lodge
real prairie
https://youtu.be/llatrtGvzSw?si=dCArm8fr--GGpqVJ
this team is fucking everywhere, its annoying
Trying to keep on top of that and A9 balance is hell
cyan smelt
i lost to the scyther, garganacl, a9 team before
chrome knot
this team is fucking everywhere, its annoying
me when a winning team gets played
real prairie
me when a winning team gets played
haha yeah i know im just being salty dw
foggy lodge
Trying to keep on top of that and A9 balance is hell
It does well into the small six
So like
It will be played more now because it has a good MU into the #1 team
Tho
The pluff Charizard team can do well into it
Because you have P2 Ursa and that team in general doesn't like TR
cyan smelt
is primarina any good?
bold geode
https://x.com/ddee_ssbu/status/1983284023364604408?s=12
Baller
foggy lodge
is primarina any good?
Its fine
bold geode
it stole my liquid voice,,,,
Girl I tried using Bronzong with Skill Swap to fuck Ursaluna but I kept forgetting I lost Levitate on my EQ spam 
foggy lodge
It made finals at a regional like a month ago
I don't think is well positioned on this meta tho
Too much Rilla + tera water Dengo
Sneasler also claps you with tera flying acrobatics
bold geode
this team is fucking everywhere, its annoying
Me when I can beat both 
real prairie
Because you have P2 Ursa and that team in general doesn't like TR
Except P2 dies to a fake tears + blood moon 🤣
hollow echo
yo
foggy lodge
+1 68 Atk Tera Fire Annihilape Rage Fist vs. +1 164 HP / 12 Def Tera Flying Sneasler: 148-175 (84 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
holy shit i live 3 stacks rage fist
Wait no this is 2 stacks
150 BP
bold geode
Probably cuz the game is about dead as dirt tbh
golden grail
Its got 12k active
golden grail
Yeah ik
golden grail
Bru
foggy lodge
@bold geode should i make my incin in tailwind faster than kilowattrel
Ehhhh
Probably not nvm
Or maybe it matters for the weavile MU lmao
golden grail
Weavile is already fast unless u have a trick room team
foggy lodge
Yeah but I have tailwind on Smeargle
Or hmmmm
The only weavile team was Dozogiri and maybe I don't pick Incin there
Meh I'll drop speed I'll make it bulkier
golden grail
Incin has priority moves like fake out anyway
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> should i make my incin in tailwind faster than kilowattrel
How fast is Kilo
bold geode
Actually
Eh no
foggy lodge
Kilowattrel means tailwind and I doubt they really don't click tailwind on the MU into my team
More when I have Smeargle
bold geode
Cuz they'll probably be carrying TW too and they also have competitive
foggy lodge
Yeah
cyan smelt
this meta is too much for me and now i gotta worry about ribombee too
bold geode
Yeah
Call me crazy but a friend actually did it
Might make sense to actually intentionally make Incin slow
foggy lodge
I can see the value on that
bold geode
So I'm friends with the one guy that beat Wolfe in the St Jude tour
And iirc he made his Incin like 20 IV or something
real prairie
Call me crazy but a friend actually did it
Might make sense to actually intentio...
my Incin is 0 speed negative speed nature lol
its essentially by TR counter
surprise underspeeding tera ghost Ursa with a knock off is v.funny
cyan smelt
i'm just rubbish at pokemon
stone trellis
Always the game 3s.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2471142433
chrome knot
Always the game 3s.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-247114243...
what the
why did i just also play this person on bo1 regh lmfao
young inlet
Hey what's the best nature for ralts
young inlet
And how about Lucario
short quiver
Hey what's the best nature for ralts
do you want a gardevoir or a galade
short quiver
And how about Lucario
adamant or jolly 👨🦯
young inlet
Galade
young inlet
And how about Lucario
short quiver
Always the game 3s.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-247114243...
why that emmas cheeks got no bulk
short quiver
And how about Lucario
i answered that already, its also adamant or jolly
young inlet
Thanks a lot
stone trellis
what the
He's a friend of mine who wanted to do some practice with a team I helped him make.
stone trellis
why that emmas cheeks got no bulk
You mean mine?
short quiver
You mean mine?
no
short quiver
his had noticeably less bulk than yours
stone trellis
I'm like, 90% sure we're both using 244 HP / 180 SpD now.
My team is just that offensive.
short quiver
cir 1v1
stone trellis
He threw.
short quiver
you did SIGNIFICANTLY more damage
short quiver
and he protected 4 turns in a row
i saw the vision, but that’s one hell of a gamble
stone trellis
https://pokepast.es/ee3e834be43e7db1
https://pokepast.es/59b03963fd7f0f4e
Here's the pastes for his team and mine respectively.
stone trellis
i saw the vision, but that’s one hell of a gamble
He lost the moment he decided not to just move first.
He knows that his Ice Rider would need at least three turns to outheal the damage from HHP.
short quiver
wait you said his icy is faster right?
stone trellis
Yes.
short quiver
HE COULD HAVE WON ANY OF THOSE 4 TURNS HE PROTECTED
stone trellis
Not really.
short quiver
that second turn he protected i think you would have died to an HHP
and that third turn you for sure would have
oh he didnt have hhp
never mind lmao
short quiver
thats just a womp womp scenario on his part ngl
surely he considered that you two would battle in a mirror match up right?
stone trellis
He did.
Look at the chat.
"☆StrikerMohamud: Yknow
☆StrikerMohamud: I didnt want it to come to this position
☆StrikerMohamud: But here we are"
To be honest, about 80% of the work was done by my team being cracked.
short quiver
you had the better icy tho
stone trellis
Clear Amulet > Leftovers.
stone trellis
you had the better icy tho
I also just did the concept of Mirai-Icy with Coaching better.
short quiver
I also just did the concept of Mirai-Icy with Coaching better.
you also had a move you could actually hit another Icy with
stone trellis
As you saw, Glacial Lance did the same as HHP.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
stone trellis
It's +3 Ice Rider, just pick a god and pray if you're not named E-Seed Farig.
short quiver
120 base power stab would probably do the same as an hhp yeah
stone trellis
120 * 1,5 = 180
180/2 (not very effective) = 90
It's 90 versus 95, the results are the same.
Mirai-Whims is so good sometimes.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2471191242
short quiver
Did i hear you mention the absolute goat of VGC Cottonball?
stone trellis
Did i hear you mention the absolute goat of VGC Cottonball?
Yet another win.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2471195836
stone trellis
Did i hear you mention the absolute goat of VGC Cottonball?
I think Whimsicott and Iron Valiant are the glue that holds my team together.
short quiver
I think Whimsicott and Iron Valiant are the glue that holds my team together.
Whimsicott is to us as Perish Trap is to Wolfey
solid frigate
@real prairie
solid frigate
Xerneas and Zygarde are gonna be so broken lmao
Zygarde is banned
Only Yveltal and Xerneas
Excadrill Stonks go up
molten oasis
I see
short quiver
<@330362488447041537>
almost like we’ve been here before
timber schooner
Do people like scarlet and violet or za competitive better
short quiver
i like sv cuz of VGC
i like za cuz its CHAOS
rustic mountain
havent really delved much into the za comp scene but its refreshing having a different way of playing mons. however as is stands i definitely still prefer vgc, its a much more refined battle system theyve had years to get it right
solid frigate
havent really delved much into the za comp scene but its refreshing having a dif...
Excadrill kinda become Meta there
short quiver
a shame i cant get pokemon bank on my 3ds anymore legally at least
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
dense latch
i know i need to clean my screen shhh
you should see my 3ds it's so bad 😭 13 years old and still holding on
short quiver
you should see my 3ds it's so bad 😭 13 years old and still holding on
lmao
all steadfast does is prevent flinching right?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
dense latch
it doesnt prevent it
stone trellis
Inner Focus is infinitely better.
short quiver
Inner Focus is infinitely better.
i think both of gallades other ability fucking tower over steadfast
sharpness is rediculously good
and justified is situational, but still okay
short quiver
hidden ability
stone trellis
I confused it with the Mega.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
stone trellis
CIR glaze has to become a meme, man.
short quiver
CIR glaze has to become a meme, man.
CIR glaze is deserved
stone trellis
Seven tournament wins and getting top 4 at Worlds for both years in S/V is crazy.
rustic mountain
Excadrill kinda become Meta there
seems like it
short quiver
Seven tournament wins and getting top 4 at Worlds for both years in S/V is crazy...
see
deserved glaze
stone trellis
I have around 50 teams with it, I know the glaze is warranted.
rustic mountain
🤨
short quiver
i dont like trick room and i STILL prefer icy
chat what is the actual damage calc formula does anyone know
like attack, type, boosts, base power from the attacker and hp defense, resistances and all that from the one getting attacked
dense latch
short quiver
what about the resistances of the other pokemon
short quiver
the number 255 comes up a lot
dense latch
that's the maximum 8 bit number so you'll see it a lot in gen 1 and 2 calculations
upper zealot
targets is for spread moves in doubles right?
dense latch
yes
short quiver
so moves like sparkling aria eq and boomburst have its damage split in 3?
dense latch
spread moves in double battles hit for 75% of their original base power
short quiver
so eq has 75 bp against all 3 targets it hits? (its a 100 bp move right?)
short quiver
lammeeeeeee
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
also 75
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
so 105
real prairie
I can think of 1 single use for this, fake out yourself when you know a double protect is coming from the other side
And that's ridiculous
real prairie
I can think of 1 single use for this, fake out yourself when you know a double p...
Or switching into an obvious fake out I guess
short quiver
Or switching into an obvious fake out I guess
switching into a fake out wouldnt flinch you
would it?
that would be a very odd interaction if it did
dense latch
i mean you're switching in a mon it's not gonna move anyways
real prairie
would it?
valid point
do you need to go through the "Couldn't move because you are flinched" text or does it count as being flinched
short quiver
that would be such a silly interaction if it worked that way
dense latch
it wouldn't show up since the pokemon didnt attempt to use a move
real prairie
but does that mean it doesn't consider it a flinch in the code if it doesn't show the prompt?
id assume you are right it doesn't
but interesting
atomic portal
@torn parrot ribombee won regional
torn parrot
<@386594600464416780> ribombee won regional
I HEEARRRDDDDD
short quiver
stone trellis
Why did you unleash the absolute mess here?
You're gonna get cooked, keep it to yourself until it gets good results.
short quiver
let me cook first
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/23c2def024487f12
is max speed timid meowstic really worth it when 3/4 of your moves are have priority
why not just grimm
short quiver
why not just grimm
cuz meowstic deserves some love
short quiver
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2471378262
i played badly but ig they didnt expect my zacian to tank allat
they also overestimated vacuum wave
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
not BAD stats, but certainly not good either
shadow wind
I would say not having a single stat over 90 other than speed on a Mon with prankster might constitute for calling the stats bad
short quiver
what did my cat do to you
shadow wind
Twave + full para + I got ratio’d
short quiver
how do you feel about burn
shadow wind
Burn is fine
short quiver
it sucks zacian cant hold an item
shadow wind
Same with toxic/poison
They aren’t luck based so I’m chill with them
If para had the half speed but some other gimmick I probably wouldn’t mind it
I think frostbite should return over freeze
That was a good gimmick
shadow wind
What’s its role
short quiver
What’s its role
fake out, twave, fake tears, do some damage with psychic
and inevitably be sacrificed for the greater good
im so sorry 💀
surely they taught eternatus flamethrower after that encounter
foggy lodge
fake out, twave, fake tears, do some damage with psychic
Doesn't grimmsnarl do this and better
short quiver
probably
but i dont care
meowstic deserves some love, so im giving it
and its working just fine
dense latch
also there’s almost no offense on the team aside from your restricteds i really don’t think you need that much support
dense latch
i really don’t want to play csr zama incin rilla ever again
foggy lodge
Lunala Miraidon has already its most optimal variant
Zama CSR also has lots of variants and every single one is broken in its own way
Maybe CIR Mirai and CIR Korai can be a bit more explored
dense latch
yea i was gonna say i think cir mirai had some room to grow
the mdb team was the closest we got
short quiver
also there’s almost no offense on the team aside from your restricteds i really ...
well cuz of white kyurem things alotales is forced to be on my team, i wanted someone with taunt and waterpon was right there just kinda staring at me. and meowstic is a silly lil guy that happens to have fake out
foggy lodge
Pagos CSR is already explored too
Kyogre CIR too
Zama Mirai maybe?
But I can't see any new duo doing anything if reg I comes back
foggy lodge
Reg H and G atleast had more to explore when they came back
Reg I has nothing that meta is overcentralized
dense latch
if we get a repeat of one of the last few formats
i wouldn’t mind reg g back only because i forgot why i stopped liking it
i miss eleki man
shadow wind
I miss a certain someone every day 😔
short quiver
well cuz of white kyurem things alotales is forced to be on my team, i wanted so...
do you have a suggestion on how i can make this slightly more offensive?
foggy lodge
I stopped liking reg G at its moment because of the MU roulette
dense latch
oh that
short quiver
I miss a certain someone every day 😔
me too. (the humble meowscarada)
dense latch
thanks i forgot
foggy lodge
I was like 4-0 at a limitless tour one time with CSR Weezing and then I hitted two hard TR with triple normal type and a Terapagos balance and it was just an autolose lmao
shadow wind
me too. (the humble meowscarada)
You can still play Meowscarada
dense latch
reg h is like the best chance you’ll get to use meow
shadow wind
Yeah literally
short quiver
yeah but i dont like the pokemon reg h meta wants me to use
shadow wind
yeah but i dont like the pokemon reg h meta wants me to use
That makes zero sense
foggy lodge
It was a fraud but it was cute fraud
shadow wind
How is that stopping you from playing Meowscarada?
dense latch
you’re using meowstic in reg i why would the meta in reg h stop you
short quiver
How is that stopping you from playing Meowscarada?
because its stopping me form making a team
short quiver
you’re using meowstic in reg i why would the meta in reg h stop you
cuz dengo dnite and mausape exists
oh and smeargle alolan muk too
shadow wind
The humble CIR Miraidon in Reg I
dense latch
oh and smeargle alolan muk too
i haven’t played muk smeargle once since the format started
foggy lodge
I don't see how miraidon alone allows Meowstic to exist more than mausape
short quiver
i haven’t played muk smeargle once since the format started
LUCKY YOU
dense latch
it’s a horrible strategy that you shouldn’t be focusing on if you do lose to it
short quiver
those players genuinely have no friends
shadow wind
I love Groudon with Heat crash
foggy lodge
I love heavy slam Zamazenta
short quiver
could i theoretically use meowstic and meowscarada in a team together (indeedee too obviously cuz meowstic psyspam)
shadow wind
I would still love Groudon even if he didn’t have heat crash to be fair
dense latch
i remember marco fiero made a team back in like august 2024
meowscarada prim typhlosion whim arch and something else
shadow wind
I remember when I was defending fire punch Groudon
dense latch
you could do some pledge stuff with meowscarada idk
foggy lodge
I remember when I was defending fire punch Groudon
Lmfao
shadow wind
In my defense it’s not bad on AV sets
foggy lodge
Eh its fine then
shadow wind
Cause Zama and CIR
foggy lodge
I was always a fan of thunder punch
short quiver
primarina meowscara could set swamp but like. meow and meowstic are both fast enough do they even care about the pledge swamp?
foggy lodge
To hit Pelipper and Urshifu water
shadow wind
I was always a fan of thunder punch
Back when I was a bolt hater me too
Nah just Pelipper
dense latch
primarina meowscara could set swamp but like. meow and meowstic are both fast en...
they’re not the only pokemon on your team
you need a fast pokemon to set pledges fast
shadow wind
Urshifu water takes more from Pblades
foggy lodge
- misses *
short quiver
you need a fast pokemon to set pledges fast
cough meowscarada
dense latch
that’s my point
shadow wind
* misses *
Oh and I also lied it doesn’t but it does if it’s single target
foggy lodge
- lies*
dense latch
it’s not a great strategy but it might be fun
short quiver
what pledge meowscarada with psyspam meowstic?
sounds really really stupid. exactly like something i would play.
dense latch
meowstic is probably just gonna be a worse grim in regh too
shadow wind
Competitive which is being activated by the dark type which is immune to psyspam 🥀
short quiver
Dude might OHKO a Sneasler
deserved for playing sneasler
foggy lodge
THEY ARE NOT JUST DIFFERENT IN APPEARENCE?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
I thought the only difference was aesthetical holy shit
short quiver
THEY ARE NOT JUST DIFFERENT IN APPEARENCE?
no. they have different hidden abilities and different move pools
dense latch
THEY ARE NOT JUST DIFFERENT IN APPEARENCE?
different abilities and movesets
shadow wind
THEY ARE NOT JUST DIFFERENT IN APPEARENCE?
It’s like Indeedee
They do that a lot with Psychic types
short quiver
Competitive which is being activated by the dark type which is immune to psyspam...
what does competitive have to do with dark types lmao
shadow wind
Ah who knows
short quiver
if you mean incinicringe meowstic female has a decent move pool
dense latch
short quiver
also other intimidate mons exist
(not saying many of them are good im just saying they exist)
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
shadow wind
Bro has approximately 6 special moves
short quiver
competitive boosted T-bolt could do something
dense latch
probably a 3hko on incin
foggy lodge
omg this mon doesn't do anything
shadow wind
probably a 3hko on incin
If you crit twice maybe
short quiver
its a gen 6 psychic type of course not
dense latch
+2 252 SpA Meowstic Thunderbolt vs. 244 HP / 52 SpD Incineroar: 79-93 (39.3 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
short quiver
lmao
short quiver
+2 252 SpA Meowstic Thunderbolt vs. 244 HP / 52 SpD Incineroar: 79-93 (39.3 - 4...
would tera electric make it a 2hko
shadow wind
its a gen 6 psychic type of course not
Hey don’t diss Malamar
dense latch
yea
short quiver
Hey don’t diss Malamar
i WILL diss malamar
shadow wind
My beloved Malamar
dense latch
4 Atk Incineroar Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meowstic: 104-126 (69.7 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO but this is what incin does back
i dont wanna check flare blitz
short quiver
with 0 bulk
shadow wind
Bros gonna run 252 bold
foggy lodge
Don't worry we are gonna thunderbolt and full para the incin for the rest of the match
shadow wind
And then it’s a 5HKO
dense latch
its only niche is probably that it can outspeed garchomp
short quiver
Don't worry we are gonna thunderbolt and full para the incin for the rest of the...
exactly, trust
foggy lodge
Its effectively a spore
shadow wind
its only niche is probably that it can outspeed garchomp
Delphox also does that
short quiver
Delphox also does that
delphox mentioned
shadow wind
I’m a Delphox fan
foggy lodge
Delphox also does that
Today I played 2 delphox in a row at a tournameng
short quiver
delphox mentioned
wtf is a mega available at the release of your own home game 🥀
shadow wind
I like all the gen 6 starters though so my opinion doesn’t mean too much
foggy lodge
I fought 2 of the only 3 delphox player in the world
dense latch
Today I played 2 delphox in a row at a tournameng
idk why limitless tour players are so obsessed with fast psyspam ho
shadow wind
They hate thinking
foggy lodge
cuz buttons buttons buttons
dense latch
fair
foggy lodge
I fought 3 indeedee sneaslers
shadow wind
Lowkey why I play Ttar drill
short quiver
idk why limitless tour players are so obsessed with fast psyspam ho
cuz no think only button clicking
foggy lodge
The reason I play Incin Rilla❤️
dense latch
Delphox also does that
but yea i think we’re past the point of finding mons that do a better job than meowstic
shadow wind
Every single one of them🥀
short quiver
anyone does it better. thats why its funnier to use meowstic
dense latch
i think it’d be harder to find fully evolved psychic mons that do worse than it no offense to meowstic
short quiver
imagine having to tell your friends you lost to a meowstic
dense latch
cool guy i like the design
but a frail and weak pure psychic type is just cruel from game freak
shadow wind
imagine having to tell your friends you lost to a meowstic
I don’t think a lot of people will be losing to a Meowstic is the problem
short quiver
I don’t think a lot of people will be losing to a Meowstic is the problem
yeah but its funny if they do lose
shadow wind
Massive if there
short quiver
you all fall to realize the thing about me is i dont wanna win every game
i wanna do the funniest shit possible
if i win, epic, if i dont, oh well try again 😀
shadow wind
Pokémon players when it comes to actually wanting to win 🥀🥀🥀
short quiver
why win when you can actually have fun with pokemon you like instead
shadow wind
Because winning is more fun than losing with Espathra
short quiver
id rather lose with my favorites than win with mons i dont like
short quiver
like paul kept suggesting garchomp and i dont like garchomp
i like altaria 
my favorite pokemon will all probably be found in gens 1 3 5 and 6
with a few stragglers elsewhere
shadow wind
I mean I can’t criticize having fun
foggy lodge
I want Incin to be meta in smash 6
short quiver
i didnt even know smash HAD a meta system anymore 😑
shadow wind
Bro is meta now just 2 frame every recovery
foggy lodge
Every comp game has it
shadow wind
Boom free edge guard and free win
short quiver
is altaria even used in vgc
shadow wind
Not often
short quiver
i dont think ive ever seen one
short quiver
It made day 2 at worlds in 2024
im listening
short quiver
sableye mentioned
shadow wind
I wish mobile let me auto turn off reply pings
short quiver
gravity sableye is good. now youre speaking my language
shadow wind
With a life orb Groudon💔
Look if it works it works
I’m a fan of lorb Groudon but it’s very inconsistent
short quiver
although wouldnt its own ally altaria not appreciate being pulled to the ground?
cyan smelt
Ur just Groudon pilled
short quiver
hi kalos
foggy lodge
I’m a fan of lorb Groudon but it’s very inconsistent
Lets make the bulky guy that can excel at doing damage every turn a bomb with a timer
dense latch
it's not gonna take lorb recoil most of the time anyway
foggy lodge
although wouldnt its own ally altaria not appreciate being pulled to the ground?
The goal is not making sense the goal is clicking buttons
short quiver
The goal is not making sense the goal is clicking buttons
speaking my language 😀
shadow wind
The goal is priority gravity sing
short quiver
i wonder if i could use altaria
foggy lodge
It has stats and abilities from gen 3 mon
shadow wind
I hit 1800 in Reg H with Altaria once
short quiver
It has stats and abilities from gen 3 mon
well ofc it does
dense latch
poor guy
cyan smelt
Do U like altaria
shadow wind
Me?
dense latch
gen 3 mons deserve a stat redistribution
short quiver
Do U like altaria
yes
short quiver
gen 3 mons deserve a stat redistribution
i think mons in the first 4 generations all need stat redistributions
dense latch
I hit 1800 in Reg H with Altaria once
how
foggy lodge
btw MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE A FORMAT ANNOUNCED THIS SATURDAY
shadow wind
I could probably still find the team
It was from Reg H1
It was probably the grossest team I ever made and used for more than 5 games
short quiver
I could probably still find the team
i would ask for the paste but it was ruined by the name garchomp
shadow wind
Although that nasty plot heat wave Incin sure was something
molten oasis
btw MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE A FORMAT ANNOUNCED THIS SATURDAY
New reg or reg f PLEASE
if it’s reg I IM GONNA CRY
shadow wind
Reg Z and it then fades to black and you HAVE to buy LZA for the new comp season
foggy lodge
Lmfao
foggy lodge
You missed it
shadow wind
the new comp season wont be in za
foggy lodge
Its not funny anymore
shadow wind
Sorry guys I’ll pack it up
cyan smelt
Is that faigiraf's head exploding
shadow wind
My bus left 2 hours ago and the comedy show is kicking me off the stage
shadow wind
Is that faigiraf's head exploding
Yeah it played against Tinkaton and it flinched for the first time ever
foggy lodge
Be reg C
shadow wind
Be Reg G
shadow wind
Reg Groudon !
short quiver
Yeah it played against Tinkaton and it flinched for the first time ever
just cuz you said that im using mold breaker tinkaton
foggy lodge
From regulation of humilliation to regulation of greatness
shadow wind
I want to go back to making a team with 4 ice weaknesses and 1 tr answer in idbp Slowbro🙏🙏🙏
This is a certified Groudon team building moment
cyan smelt
Y don't U just use hoodra
short quiver
hoodra is my favorite pokemon chat 🥀
foggy lodge
This is a certified Groudon team building moment
Fr
We have to use Groudon together if reg G comes back
shadow wind
So many teams in Reg G were perfect except for the fact that Chien Pao was my only ice resist
foggy lodge
Mine had Incin
short quiver
i was grounded from my switch during reg G lmao
foggy lodge
Volc was also good as an ice resist
shadow wind
Mine had Incin
I never enjoyed Incin
foggy lodge
It actually cooked Zama Pao so much
shadow wind
Oh yeah I did start using Volc during the later half of Reg G
Sometimes I wish Wake wasn’t a dragon type
molten oasis
REG G PLEASE
shadow wind
Water dragon is super good but I want a CIR and Kyogre resist
cyan smelt
I want 2 use entei
foggy lodge
Choice specs tera water proto boosted hydrosteam in sun❤️
molten oasis
Why do we genuinely want g I’m so sick of restricteds in SV
foggy lodge
I want 2 use entei
Zamazenta or Miraidon
shadow wind
I used Entei on a Groudon team
cyan smelt
I think I'm miraidon pilled now
foggy lodge
Yeah on sun is good too
shadow wind
AV Tera normal Entei
foggy lodge
I prefer it on Koraidon tho
shadow wind
My beloved
shadow wind
Why do we genuinely want g I’m so sick of restricteds in SV
Groudon by himself 😃😃
molten oasis
Ig Zacian was better in g
shadow wind
Man I hated that team so much
short quiver
Remember when regidrago existed
regi who 🥀
cyan smelt
I like regidrago
dense latch
Remember when regidrago existed
i hated playing drago so much until i started using tera fairy cir
foggy lodge
I remember when I used the Tangs team people for some reason leaded regidrago whimsicott
shadow wind
I remember I used Lugia some point and had to resort to Gholdengo for damage and the Tera fairy CIRs didn’t love it
short quiver
i like stupid pokemon what can i say
dense latch
i hated playing drago so much until i started using tera fairy cir
yea then i got pinned by zacian but it's a zacian
and i had a firepon shoutout tang team
foggy lodge
Tangs team❤️
foggy lodge
Wolfey and Marco can be the best players in the world but Shiliang is the best teambuilder ever
dense latch
my friend and i were trying to make roaring moon cir work a few weeks before san an but we gave up
short quiver
black kyurem 🤮
foggy lodge
Well Wolfey can actually compete with Shiliang for best teambuilder
short quiver
Wolfey the goat mentioned
shadow wind
black kyurem 🤮
But I bet Kyurem white is fine for you
short quiver
But I bet Kyurem white is fine for you
its not about color zekrom is genuinely cool
kyurem ruins it 🥀
short quiver
just stay a dragon electric you dont gotta switch to an ice type
molten oasis
Like deadass
shadow wind
I never saw a Kyurem black on the ladder
molten oasis
Kyogre always felt worse than Drago did
short quiver
and btw im actively using a white kyurem team
foggy lodge
I never saw a Kyurem black on the ladder
I was cooked by one on a bo3 because they were loaded dice with coaching bot
shadow wind
Oh yeah
foggy lodge
But I fought them again in another bo3 and I won so
shadow wind
Goat
foggy lodge
I'm 1-1 against Kyurem black!
molten oasis
I’m like 5-0 against kyurem black that Mon sucks LOL
short quiver
who knew i would enjoy Zacian Kyurem-White so much
shadow wind
I’m like 5-0 against kyurem black that Mon sucks LOL
And I still hit 1500 with it !
foggy lodge
And I still hit 1500 with it !
Idk how you could enjoy bo1 before
shadow wind
Well I definitely don’t enjoy Bo1 anymore
I do better in Bo3 anyway
I get way higher GXEs
cyan smelt
No matter what the format is I suck at it
dense latch
i'll get 80% gxe some day
foggy lodge
I remember I used Keanu's team from worlds in bo1 and I got like 1500 with a new account in like an hour the winrate was crazy
That team was inmune to bo1 bullshit LMAO
shadow wind
i'll get 80% gxe some day
I don’t get how you haven’t hit it yet
I think I literally got lucky and found a one time use pot of gold
dense latch
I don’t get how you haven’t hit it yet
because my elo tends to go like this every time i push myself to grind in ladder
im pretty sure i've been in the high 1300s and 1700s with the same account in the same day
shadow wind
That image and the guy mining are what keep me going
They keep me motivated and humble
foggy lodge
I still do
dense latch
it was probably a few wins less then
shadow wind
I think Bo3 also makes your GXE higher?
I have no evidence for this but that’s when I had my highest GXE
I remember my game for 80 was literally a Groudon ditto too
Pride was on the line
molten oasis
Lmao
foggy lodge
I wish I could talk about more teams but the only format where I used a lot of teams was reg G LOL
I don't even remember what I used on reg F it was just a balance thing with Incin Rilla
Oh btw if we get reg F be ready for bolt balance
cyan smelt
Can't believe ribombee won lille
short quiver
chat what does gxe stand for
polar canyon
Proud to have been a ribombee fan before the meme
dense latch
chat what does gxe stand for
it doesn't stand for anything
it's just the chance for you to win against the average player
short quiver
Proud to have been a ribombee fan before the meme
yessirrr
polar canyon
it doesn't stand for anything
Game xenon evaluation
short quiver
so it does stand for something?
polar canyon
Everyone knows that
polar canyon
so it does stand for something?
No I made it up
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
short quiver
this isnt for vgc this is for my Omega Ruby playthrough
im thinking of using Special Blaziken
polar canyon
I mean you can get away with mixed in a playthrough
Playing za and half my team is mixed
You're not gonna be ev training or getting optimal ivs anyways
polar canyon
Mega starmie kinda carries
short quiver
mega mawile carried for me
who needs huge power lmao
in za ranked i used Dragalge Mawile and Delphox
those were really the only important members of my team
(no offense Aurorus)
shadow wind
it's just the chance for you to win against the average player
Does average mean 50 then?
dense latch
Does average mean 50 then?
i guess so
it stands for glicko x-act estimate
so it’s just nonsense that stands for other nonsense
short quiver
it stands for glicko x-act estimate
timber schooner
https://pokepast.es/eeff3997c4254440 here's the team I created with is actually decent
dense latch
where’s your second restricted
dense latch
drop hitmontop for zamazents maybe
roaring moon is a better tailwind setter for kyogre imo
short quiver
https://pokepast.es/eeff3997c4254440 here's the team I created with is actually ...
what da dog lizard doing
dense latch
there’s also ice rider as an option for a kyogre duo
if you want to use sceptile you can’t really afford to slap in more bad pokemon
timber schooner
It actually beat a team with all the top threats
short quiver
🤨
cyan smelt
randbats makes me rage like nothing else
stone trellis
btw MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE A FORMAT ANNOUNCED THIS SATURDAY
YES SIR I'M READY FOR ANY REG EXCEPT H
waxen dock
btw MOST LIKELY WE'LL HAVE A FORMAT ANNOUNCED THIS SATURDAY
I thought about this too
But we may also know the format only in 1 month
stone trellis
I'm curious to see what F was like.
waxen dock
I'm curious to see what F was like.
A mix of reg h and g
stone trellis
Fire.
waxen dock
And raging bolt having like 30% usage
solid frigate
I honestly prefer 30% Bolt Usage than 80% Flutter Usage
cyan smelt
bolt is a cool pokemon
short quiver
https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-raging-bolt-raging-bolt-legendary-gif-39681375845...
raging bolt is what i think a fusion of farigiraf and raikou would look like in Infinite Fusion
cyan smelt
My team is decent but maybe I need to try it in bo3 so I don't have to deal with bo1 stuff
Oh hey I'm doing better than I expected, 1425 with 60.3% gxe, at least I'm improving
The team is ok!
waxen dock
I honestly prefer 30% Bolt Usage than 80% Flutter Usage
No
waxen dock
Oh hey I'm doing better than I expected, 1425 with 60.3% gxe, at least I'm impro...
In bo3?
cyan smelt
Well this is an improvement for me because usually I'm around low 50s
waxen dock
Well this is an improvement for me because usually I'm around low 50s
So maybe try bo3 more
cyan smelt
At least I know I like balance now and I'm better with balance than any other play style
Gliscor is good against gholdengo when it's not scarf dengo
Or tera water ig
Tera water grassy seed is tricky
I just realised I have lots of physical attackers on my team
short quiver
just encountered a ralts rhrough pokenav with memento
it sacrificed itself and im
pissed cuz ive been looking for a Trace Ralts with a special attack through pokenav for an hour
waxen dock
Gliscor is good against gholdengo when it's not scarf dengo
You also have gambit
cyan smelt
Yeah but they love to protect
Or tera out of their weakness
The bane of my existence is gholdengo and sneasler
Should just always go for the kowtow
Actually how common is tera fighting arch?
Ok not common so it's just bo1 jank
solid frigate
Actually how common is tera fighting arch?
It’s just CTS
Tera Fighting Zama however lol
foggy lodge
Actually how common is tera fighting arch?
Fairly common
It was on the Erizabeth original team
And Torviv adapted it to the standard rain comps
foggy lodge
It’s just CTS
Morris to you everything is cts
cyan smelt
munchstats says 7% of archaludons are tera fighting
stone trellis
My team is decent but maybe I need to try it in bo3 so I don't have to deal with...
Told you.
Are you going to Melbourne after all?
stone trellis
Yeah, Brisbane.
cyan smelt
i'll probably be going to melbourne too, saved up the money this time
also paul i think the team is ok, i have 60.3% gxe in bo1
waxen dock
also paul i think the team is ok, i have 60.3% gxe in bo1
Try to have 65
cyan smelt
well it's progress for me to even have 60, usually i'd be low 50%
god i love coaching + sd gambit
it's crazy how many times they'll let you get to x4 attack
waxen dock
well it's progress for me to even have 60, usually i'd be low 50%
50 is low
stone trellis
also paul i think the team is ok, i have 60.3% gxe in bo1
Go for it.
And don't pressure yourself too much.
real prairie
"Stall all you want" he says 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2471646752
real prairie
Not bad, think I might take this team into GC
cyan smelt
ghttps://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2471670882-m9ryvttg5md73ilf06hmxua6fxfrx12pw my predictions were on point here
wolfe's team is hard to beat though
bold geode
Morris to you everything is cts
Your mom
waxen dock
"Stall all you want" he says 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025r...
He desreved it
stone trellis
I love this team.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2471681453
The moment Terapagos chose to not Tera, the game was won.
cyan smelt
my team is not doing so well in bo3
stone trellis
my team is not doing so well in bo3
What part of the team is failing?
Learn what the weakness of the team is in Bo3 and make adjustments according to that.
cyan smelt
i need to look at my replays
stone trellis
it struggles with a9
Blaziken-Rilla should pressure it quite a bit, no?
dense latch
"Stall all you want" he says 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025r...
crazy thing to say playing dozo + toxic debris 😭
cyan smelt
I'm really struggling against arch
stone trellis
I'm really struggling against arch
What is Kingambit's item?
+1 Black Glasses Tera Dark Kowtow has a favorable roll into OHKOing frailer Arch variants.
+1 252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera Dark Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Archaludon: 158-186 (95.1 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera Dark Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Archaludon: 198-234 (100.5 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
waxen dock
+1 Black Glasses Tera Dark Kowtow has a favorable roll into OHKOing frailer Arch...
frail arch is the wolfe set
which has sturdy
stone trellis
Then just go +2.
real prairie
I'm really struggling against arch
any room for low kick on Gambit?
but also, Blaze should murder Arch
cyan smelt
it's no good when it's on rain or next to comfey or tandemaus
or something like kingdra pelipper
waxen dock
any room for low kick on Gambit?
low kick gambit is on av sets
but he is using black glasses sd set
cyan smelt
struggles against acro sneasler too
real prairie
struggles against acro sneasler too
That I can see being problematic
cyan smelt
i give up, this team is no good for bo3
and all the gholdengos are outspeeding gliscor
waxen dock
i give up, this team is no good for bo3
so maybe try some diffrent type of team
i mean like you still have tommoro to build a team for brisbane
cyan smelt
idk what to try if this doesn't work, maybe i should just quit
real prairie
You know you like Balance, so try the big 6 and then make adjustments from there
to fit your liking
stone trellis
Quit the whining.
real prairie
You are good at VGC, you just get in your own head
stone trellis
You're a damn good player.
cyan smelt
all my gxes are in the low to mid 50s
stone trellis
You're better than me.
real prairie
Marco Silva regional winning team FYI @cyan smelt
cyan smelt
i can't stand this meta and now i have to plan for ribombee as well as a9
waxen dock
Marco Silva regional winning team FYI <@489940982217965570>
so the gc also went bad for him
also building a vgc team takes like 2 hours if you have the materials
stone trellis
i can't stand this meta and now i have to plan for ribombee as well as a9
Don't you have a really strong Fire type on your team?
cyan smelt
it sucks into ribombee kommo-o stuff
stone trellis
Can you send a list of everything you struggle with?
cyan smelt
i'll try and make sense of my pasrs
stone trellis
Can you share it?
cyan smelt
i can't teambuild for shit
hm looks like blaziken electabuzz is my best lead
but i'm struggling against sneasler and volc, and kingambit and kingdra
and indeedee male
this team is garbage against a9 sneasler
boreal creek
cyan smelt
yeah it's no good
well i'm gonna give up vgc since i'm rubbish and always will be
<@&663761167176433665>
real prairie
?
cyan smelt
idk what to use
chrome knot
does the next format get announced today?
waxen dock
does the next format get announced today?
either in saturday or in 1 month
cyan smelt
i won't be playing, vgc is too hard for me
and now i gotta watch out for that awful kommo-o sinistcha tr team
waxen dock
i won't be playing, vgc is too hard for me
no bro dont quit just before you go
you wwasted money on ts
cyan smelt
i don't have a team
cyan smelt
is that just blaziken, rilla, sneasler, prim, dragapult, and then gliscor
cyan smelt
seems like that would struggle against a9 sneasler
waxen dock
its seems like a good team
cyan smelt
and it might struggle against the bee too
waxen dock
seems like that would struggle against a9 sneasler
maybe try some other mon
cyan smelt
idk how people come up with their teams
i struggle
i like gambit but i'm honestly struggling with him
and all the gholdengos must be faster than gliscor because i keep getting outsped
cyan smelt
i don't think i can play games that require a lot of thinking
stone trellis
and all the gholdengos must be faster than gliscor because i keep getting outspe...
You can forgo some bulk to make it faster.
180 Jolly outspeeds max Speed Timid Gholdengo and any base 85.
cyan smelt
gliscor is ass and it feels like gambit isn't good rn
stone trellis
So don't use Gliscor.
cyan smelt
i don't want to use anything
stone trellis
You've been through two full "it's so over" to "we are so back" cycles today.
cyan smelt
yeah this time i'm done though
stone trellis
Oh, come on.
timber schooner
What should I have for zamazenta ev
solid frigate
@bold geode
stone trellis
What in the actual fuck is Reg H low ladder on 😭
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2471871350-8vh4heft899hvx39ranvlqaalmxdgy4pw
cyan smelt
I miss having a good team to use
stone trellis
I miss having a good team to use
You have one.
cyan smelt
It's rubbish
bold geode
What should I have for zamazenta ev
Usually wanna invest more in your physical Defense as it's your offensive stat, and the rest depends on how bulky or fast you want it
waxen dock
It's rubbish
Then try a different team
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
shadow wind
I think any number ending in 0 is best
After 100 that is
Wait there’s definitely a better way to figure this out
I think any number that is a multiple of 20
wispy spade
i see, thank you! 
foggy lodge
Those are some impressive good stats
short quiver
Those are some impressive good stats
nintendo locked in with stat spreads a bit in gen 7
me and paul cooked a hard tr team for me and im using a mudsdale
short quiver
i cant wait to use it
foggy lodge
Holy shit who is that
40 points of difference between number 1 number 2 and number 3
Wait no its 30 between number 1 and 2 and 40 between number 2 and 3
Number 14 is a mood
dense latch
Holy shit who is that
that's definitely me on my alt account trust
i was just trying to keep it hidden yk 😔😔 😔
timber schooner
Got any suggestions for a final pokemon https://pokepast.es/3e77cbf2f6fb7f10
short quiver
what da dog lizard doing
timber schooner
I cant think of a final pokemon
short quiver
Got any suggestions for a final pokemon https://pokepast.es/3e77cbf2f6fb7f10
where are the last 4 points on zama, sceptile, arch and da birb
timber schooner
Thanks for reminding me
dense latch
https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2025regj/1760/Zamazenta-Crowned use this website for spreads
the ones you have are pretty basic and not that great
zama should probably be
heavy slam/behemoth bash
body press
protect
wide guard
iron defense isn't that good on zama and coaching is basically useless for your team
miraidon kinda just has a field day against you
so i would probably try something like ice spinner chien pao
also think raging bolt is just a better archaludon
short quiver
zama should probably be
heavy slam/behemoth bash
body press
protect
wide guard
...
zama can choose to run heavy slam over BB?
timber schooner
Ill do raging bult instead of archaludon but I cant think of anything for the final slot
dense latch
which actually hits some important numbers like 2hko on csr
short quiver
also doesnt murkrow need some type of speed investment to work in a restricted format
dense latch
Ill do raging bult instead of archaludon but I cant think of anything for the fi...
chien pao
best non restricted zama partner
dense latch
also doesnt murkrow need some type of speed investment to work in a restricted f...
not really
it's just there to set up tailwind or haze with prankster anyways
and speed investment would get it nowhere
short quiver
but there are faster prankster mons that can just invalidate it entirely
dense latch
that's just it being a bad mon in restricted formats
roaring moon or tornadus are infinitely better
timber schooner
I don't have a tornados
dense latch
whim is great but not the best tw setter for kyogre
short quiver
what about whim clashes with rain?
dense latch
when kyogre zama was used the most common tw setter was roaring moon so just use that
timber schooner
You know the lighting rod strat with kyoger
dense latch
what about whim clashes with rain?
nothing
but roaring moon and torn contribute more
it's not that whim is a negative the other two are just bigger positives yk
timber schooner
What should I put in the final slot
dense latch
chien pao
timber schooner
So it this team usable now
short quiver
did you swap out murkrow
bold geode
Hmmmm
Might I see a paste?