#competitive_discussion
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No? Why would it
Or do you mean post tera?
Post Tera, duh.
Then maybe
Because I know for a fact that Tera Flying Acrobatics does.
Id imagine an adamant one might
252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 252 HP / 116 Def Tera Grass Volcarona: 182-216 (94.7 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
I can't lie, Acrobatics is still way funnier.
Because the combination creates an unwinnable scenario for Rillaboom too.
Do they Tera into Fire to avoid being killed by Acrobatics and die to EQ or do they stay as they are and die to Tera Flying Acrobatics?
unless you've lost your sash it doesnt ko rilla
neither does eq if grassy terrain is up but you can just stomping tantrum instead
the common set runs grassy seed
he's using sash acro though
ah yeah if we are talking his team specificallly
thought we were just talking generically
o fair enough, i guess i should've made it clearer lol
non boosted tera flying adamant acro also doesnt ohko volc unless it's crazy frail
even with tera grass?
252+ Atk Tera-Flying Sneasler Acrobatics (Tera 60 BP Boost) vs. 252 HP / 60 Def Volcarona: 146-174 (76 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO it's weak to flying regardless
tera fairy is the more popular set on volc so dire claw is usually just better
Garchomp and Killowatrel have good synergy, Discharge + EQ spam
and incin deterrent
If I have to say this one more time...
looks decent, tho maybe i'd drop throat chop for protect, it's not doing much without tera dark
if you do you could swap the prim slot for another way to hit dengo and stuff
Yeah but kilowattrel is made of wet paper, I remember in the gc I lead with incin into kilowattrel and weavile and the kilowattrel did nothing
no less so than Talonflame
Sash tera ghost Killo is decent
You're right that kilowattrel and chomp have good synergy
I could always add FB to Talonflame.
Protect or Coaching?
that too
protect for sure
you're only gonna be using coaching to its fullest with chomp and idt that's near the value of protect
Fair.
Are there any slow Pokemon that are special attackers, deal with Gholdengo and don't share any key weaknesses with the mons I have right now?
What’s the team looking like
So then you don’t need a slow special attacker that deals with Gholdengo and doesn’t share any key weaknesses?
Huh?
Nothing.
I’m genuinely asking
Someone told me to replace Primarina.
Cause you asked for a 7th Mon suggestion
I did.
🥀
What’s the shared weakness? Ice?
If you’re replacing Prima then it isn’t a shared grass weakness
And only 2 water weaks is definitely manageable in a tera format
If you are actually looking for suggestions then that’s my recommendation but if you aren’t then keep the team how it is
If Adamant Talonflame does like, 90% to bulky Rilla, how much would Gholdengo take from Flare Blitz?
i hope Champions and Gen 10 distributes skill swap more generously then Pladea did
People were running lorb dual wingbeat talonflame a while back
Why not expert belt at that point
Why not sharp beak
I've realised from playing randbats that I like setup too much, I think I get greedy in vgc
He mentioned flareblitzing Ghold
And also a bigger multiplier is never bad
Lorb flare blitz would hit like a truck
One of those like tiny Japanese trucks maybe
What's a good move set for indeed
follow me, psychic, trick room, helping hand
that’s kinda your standard moveset
if you’re talking about indeedee male it’s different
Its just a support female no trickroom
it's still good to have trick room even if you don't plan on using it in most games
reversing tr + can use it vs very fast teams/tailwind
Im thinking hitmon top then because it has wide gaurd and intimidate and fake out
what's the team?
Im working on it right now its a team to try and make sceptile conpetive
You got any suggestions for water or ground types
if you have some of the mons on a pokepaste already maybe i can help
What's poke paste
I have used it
it's the best way to build and test out teams for competitive + when you're on the teambuilder and scroll down on a team's page there's an option to export to pokepaste
see the second to last option
build your team/what you have so far and then send it here
How do I send it
just copy the link after you upload to pokepaste
it's gonna be insanely hard to make those two mons work in reg j honestly
even in reg h they're really bad
maybe you can force sceptile into a good team
They actually work decently together
Got any pokemon suggestions because i was thinking kyoger
yo
Yo
Just hse miraidon and you wint worry about volcanion
it was volcanion
what is ou
It mean OverUsed i think
😁
It's the main tier of Pokemon Showdown's single battles format.
i believe UU is UnderUsed
UU is UnderUsed, RU is RarelyUsed, NU is NeverUsed, PU is a pun and ZU is ZeroUsed.
any difference between these?
Yes.
If a Pokemon is used by less than 4,52% of people in OU, it drops to UU.
The same rule applies to UU, RU and all the other tiers too, I think.
ill check it out 😀
um
what ruleset is this team for 😭
cuz you generally cant use the same item on more than one pokemon in a team
also this team is um
interesting to say the least
because its a dark type
bug is super effective to dark psychic and grass
huh?
bug is weak to rock
rock does not resist bug, its nuetral
so a rock dark type would be weak to bug
because dark is weak to bug
and rock doesnt resist it to cancel out the weakness
pokemon is simply a very complicated game of rock paper scissors
Are we being Isekai'd?
yes please
i hate it here
my amazon package says overnight delivery between 4-8am and its 5:30 am and it hasnt even been shipped yet
🥀
is it just me or is kilowattrel becoming more common
it has its ups and downs
Wolfe used Killo + Mamo a little while back, made it popular
decent glass cannon
decent move pool too
i feel like i should play some reg h
i don't think i can handle ludicolo again lol
haha i meant team build our own teams
not make you run mine, that was only because you didn't have something
even thats a stretch haha im just stubborn
ok i really like the core of gambit, blaziken, rilla and buzz
it feels super strong to me
and i love punishing opponents who play passively to get speed boosts
and honestly u-turn just feels better on rilla
i'm forced to be smart with my switches with this team
and it deals really well with arch rain
i just love rilla and gambit
balance is dope
i feel like vgc is 90% about finding a teamstyle that you enjoy
ok
then what would you say to my team?
what's your team and i'm no expert
oh i see
is this a singles team?
yeah
sorry, don't play singles but you definitely need heavy duty boots on charizard
and you probably want stealth rock and rapid spin too
why?
from what i understand of singles, there's a lot of hazards going around for chip damage and because there's a lot more switching, and you need hdb on charizard because it's 4x weak to rock
Sneasler is in Ubers, isn't it?
which format are we talking here
is it just me or is gholdengo the strongest pokemon in reg h
Its weird, because I struggle to use it
but yeah, its V.good
aren't a lot of arch rain teams running arch and gholdengo though
hey what snorlax should use?
Yes
The ability is way too broken
Typing too
it just nasty plots its way to victory
Its super similar to CSR
Steel/Ghost
Good as Gold
87/60/95/133/91/84
550
ghost types are op in reg h, i can think of at least 4 that are good
Except Gholdengo has a far better typing, way better bulk and far less reliance on everything else to help it actually win.
Psychic/Ghost
As One (Spectrier)
100/85/80/165/100/150
680
Calyrex
It's good bulk for a non-restricted, I will say that.
On top of an ability which doesn't rely on it actually surviving for more than two turns to be broken.
Even on restricteds formats dengo had its niche cuz
It was like a mini CSR with worse stats but also steel coverage
Yeah but it wasn't good
Yeah, it's not Shifu.
god can i just say again how much coaching blaziken next to gambit rules
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hey
basically 1v4 an entire team
i feel like i have a stamina gambit with coaching
Did you use my sets for the team?
yo
let me check what i'm using
look at my team
Hey.
look at my team and plz tell me what wrong with them
my blaziken is tera ghost, aura sphere, detect, heat wave and coaching
Anyone want to do some reg h practice battles ?
Three Rocky Helmets and two Expert Belts.
it's singles
You can only have one or even two of each item in most formats, if I remember correctly.
Sure.
A team I've sent before that has had some changes made to it.
Ok one sec I'll lyk when I'm ready
oh right mr garchomp
if gambit is my fav mon of reg h then garchomp must be yours paul
I dislike Reg H, the shark is just funny.
my pokemons got cooked
I believe that it can shred with the correct preparation.
i'm beginning to enjoy reg h now that i've found something that semi-works for me
why there was god like pokemon in uu?
You mean legendaries?
UU is based on usage.
If a legendary Pokemon isn't used enough to remain in OU, it will drop to UU no matter how strong it may be.
isee
kyurem black lol
Code?
Oh shit, I thought it was on Showdown.
I don't have the time to do a cart battle.
Oh ok no problem
do you guys know when do the worlds travel award details get published?
did someone ping maya about ribombee winning lille
@torn parrot
now someone has
I'm honestly thinking about making Garchomp a single target attacker right now.
https://pokepast.es/bf162d2011ddc796
why no dire claw?
- Dire Claw is for pussies
- Acrobatics is better
- I'll have to sacrifice either Fake Out or Protect and I'd like to keep both
then sacrafice acro
acro isnt very good and consistent unlike dire claw
It creates lose-lose scenarios for any Grass type or anyone who doesn't resist EQ and wants to go Tera Grass.
That's not something Dire Claw does because it's simply way too weak to pick up KOs sometimes.
Case in point:
252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 164-194 (79.6 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ Atk Tera Flying Sneasler Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 224-266 (108.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It also actually rolls for a KO into Amoonguss.
Granted, that KO only happens if you get the two highest rolls, but still.
so maybe use like gseed acro sneasler
or psychic seed if you wwant the chomp
I can't force it because Talonflame.
And I can't use Kilowattrel because it sucks.
But aight.
so use maybe corviknight or something
That's even more shit, but aight.
i registered for the brisbane regional
its in 4 days so gl
I need to practice
so just join some random limitless tour
I'll play some bo3 tomorrow and fine tune my team ig
dire claw is kinda the opposite of consistent
you’re kinda just clicking it and praying for a good result
Damn! GL my dude
Tbh if it's short notice and you don't know a team, just run A9 balance
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They done graffiti'd my guy
- Plz refrain from using that word
- Sash Acrobatics is VERY inconsistent tbh and so is Sash Unburden
- Dire Claw literally does the same thing that Acrobatics does from what you're saying
Only thing it doesn't do this for is Amoonguss but Ground hits Amoonguss for neutral anyways and so does Dire Claw so you do good damage anyways plus you have Gholdengo and Taunt not to mention Hydreigon Heat Wave should either force Amoonguss tera or blast the shroom with Specs anyways
It's good damage with benefits lol
80bp isn’t really good damage
Yes it is
Sneasler has the same base Atk as Urshifu
you’re 2HKOing most of the format with dire claw
It's not straight up annihilation but it's consistent
And you're essentially gambling with loaded dice
Like you're telling me I can do solid damage AND potentially put something to sleep?
And like no offense to anyone, but you should only really NEED the status conditions if you're real behind
@bold geode i going to local om weekend
Nice, what we playin
80 BP+ Stab
acro is 110 w a tera that helps it defensively as well
along with a +1 def boost that kinda lets it live some things a bit more
120 BP dire claw vs 110 Acro
tera
Dire claw sets also runs Stellar Tera
The Tera argument doesn’t work
Also btw turn 1 set up+Mandatory Unburden
I'm still running Acrobatics because it combos well with Tera Flying.
I'm still not 100% sold on Talonflame and Hydreigon being the only things that can sit next to Garchomp.
you can do tera flying dengo and just run a normal sneasler
What the hell is "normal" in this context?
acro isn't going to be worth it 90% of the time because you rely on your opponent to set it up for you
The devious EQ on turn 1:
normal sash sneasler as in dire claw cc protect fake out
Sure.
I really enjoyed putting Rilla (or any Grass type) in lose-lose situations, I can't lie.
dire claw does the same thing for every meta grass type but amoonguss and sinistcha, which both run sitrus and will live anyways
- punishes fairy types and teras
80 BP + STAB no requirements vs 110 BP if your item is consumed and if not it's 55 BP no stab unless you tera btw
The reliable priority move Turn 1
which goes after your sneasler attacks unless you make chomp jolly
seeds are insta setup and gives it actual longevity
that just opens up your sneasler to get KOd right after
I think you missed the part where the above paste had a Focus Sash
Doing seed stuff is not something I'm willing to do for reasons I'm tired of explaining.
mon ke
Anywho, why Protect over something like Throat Chop?
Not to mention the fact that the reason why people run Acro isn't cuz Dire Claw is bad
don't use seeds
just don't use acrobatics on that set because it sucks
Yes?

ok thats my fault sash acro sounds shit
DM paste?
Reminder that your IQ can be 138 and you can still be a fucking moron.
So is everything else on the team at least a bit good?
you have a hydreigon and a gholdengo to hit ghost types
tflame and chomp hits dengo which is the main reason you'd even run it
protect is arguably the best move in the game
helps save your focus sash
I don't see how this comes into the convo lol
Anyways
Basically what that guy said
hitting for 50% on a super effective move with throat chop is nowhere near the value of protect
Honestly if I were running Throat Chop on Sneasler here I think it'd always go over Fake Out
But that depends on like
How much do you REALLY need Fake Out or Chop
I just said that I was a fucking moron for considering Throat Chop when the evil Dark Pulse-spamming hydra was right there.
Yeah
Don't dog yourself too hard on stuff
most just do max max bold
Great, so it's dead.
And Hatterene probably dies in 2 hits as well.
At least I have a few decent anti-TR tools.
you can probably just spam snarl make it rain with amoong in back and win the hard tr mu really easily
Should Amoonguss be Tera Dark or Tera Water?
tera dark is overkill
More Bold but keep in mind that some Deedee do run Psychic Seed
Still puts it in range of the evil move.
water or fairy are better
Then again, if bulky Volcarona dies in one hit, so does Indeedee.
Also Amoonguss probably Tera Water, though like
So tell me something
Okay I want you to think about this
Tera Water is good generally
But what Tera do you think you need more here and why
Water works for me.
It's Amoonguss, I'm confident enough in its natural bulk that I can trust it to either live a Wood Hammer from Rilla or take the monkey down along with it.
Does Wood Hammer make contact?
Well if you Tera Water it'll kind of eat shit to Rilla but yeah it does make contact
So Rilla will definitely be in range of Dragon Claw after a Wood Hammer into Amoonguss.
Should be
I don't see why not
Basically for that one it's kind of like yeah sure Water tera sort of dies to Rilla but what benefits do I get in exchange for running this
236 means 219 HP, which is 73 HP in recoil. Add to that the 1/6 HP lost from Rocky Helmet (which should be around 68) and Rilla loses 141 of its 206 HP.
I'm dumb, it's 34.
Not 68.
Still should put it in range.
Yeah
Also fun fact, 236 HP is an optimal number for Amoonguss
I know.
Regenerator heals 1/3 of its HP.
And 219 is the highest HP Amoonguss can have that is divisible by 3.
Resisting three of the main weathers' best types as well as Make It Rain.
On top of the cracked neutral game.
Yeah
I'm still torn on if I want Garchomp to keep Tera Ground or not.
On the one hand, it just kills everything.
With very few drawbacks.
Anything you struggle with that it might help?
Killing Volcarona, for one.
Cuz of the support?
Killing Incineroar, killing Arch, killing UBM the moment I get flinched...
use brave bird talonflame, it either drops volc to very low/kills it or it forces a tera fairy, which you can hit with sneasler or dengo
obv it's not as simple as that but that's what works against me when i play against these tflame dengo chomp teams
One-shotting Archaludon is the funniest one to me.
It's already calced to outspeed any base 85, so that's not an issue.
tera ground chomp is still a decent option though if you havent felt like the defensive tera has been much help
Yeah
I'll keep it and see how it goes for now.
Would this team count as balance, offense or HO?
Because it has the fattest Gholdengo this side of Paldea, as well as Amoonguss.
But everybody else has a 4 times weakness.
And all but one of the team members can shred.
More of a HO tbh if I had to label it, though having bulky Dengo good
Honestly although it's good to have labels for archetypes, labels are just words LOL
I just want to know because I need to learn how to distinguish the different archetypes.
I know balance has a lot of pivoting tools and such, but not much beyond that.
I also know that Chi-Yu, Flutter Mane and Koraidon are sun HO.
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lunala learns tailwind? and whimsicott learns tr? 😭
Arceus and arceus and arceus and also arceus
and i think you forgot arceus
I think most things with wings have tailwind
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Xatu has one of my favorite designs
i was hoping it was slower
Sucks that it's like pretty mid
I just really really like natu and like xatu by extent
It's like an olive on legs
With big eyes
i wanted a psychic type i can throw next to a mega mawile in champions for TR
that can also provide tailwind
Your options are there
Does it have to be the same pokemon for tw and tr?
Because you're worried about it having to be slow but like
Slow enough for tr is also too slow for tailwind
i want it to be like slow enough for tr but fast enough in a tailroom team
Not happening I don't think unless it's something very specific
There are some mad people out there with fast ursaluna bm and fast calyrex ice
i used tailwind cir
There you go
it was so much funnnnnn
But expecting a 3 in one deal ia gonna just give you a pokemon that can do that and nothing else
Or lunala
Lunala is pretty good
lunala suffers 4 slot syndrome
and making two of the moves tr and tw immediately ruins it
Just use indeedee
but i cant
Why does it have to be psychic for mawile anyways
i mean id be okay with it being a grass type
Not like it needs poison or fighting coverage
i want to get the tailroom mawile part of my team ready
and who knows if champions will dish Speed Swap more generously than Paldea did
so i gotta work with what i have available rn
How moves are gonna be handled is a good question
mawiles weaknesses are ground and fire and thats it right
Since there isn't a base single player mode you can get tms or find tutors in
Just have separate setters for tw and tr
well i mean speed swap was only
given to Rabsca in Paldea
Actually that sounds cool I gotta try using rabsca next time I play sv now
Bug/Psychic
Synchronize, Telepathy (Hidden)
75/50/85/115/100/45
470
idk i dont like tr
You using tw cir makes sense now
Tr cir wasn't broke
the issue isnt tr cir its that i dont like tr
but i must make sacrifices for the things i love, which is mawile
indeedee wont work unless i drop sucker punch
which i could for crunch but like
Iron Crown
actually if im doing tr i dont care about sucker punch anyways right
Probably
Depends who's EQ
Relaxed does live an intimidated Lorb Adamant EQ.
Mega Chomp can't hold Lorb, it's way weaker.
so for sure lives it
Yes.
my biggest concern is chompy cuz i KNOW its gonna be very common
Expert Belt Lando-T would be funny as hell.
i imagine even after intimidate that would still cook me
Ground/Flying
Intimidate
89/145/90/105/80/91
600
Landorus
Dragon/Ground
Sand Veil, Rough Skin (Hidden)
108/130/95/80/85/102
600
Garchomp-Mega
252+ Atk Expert Belt Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Mawile-Mega: 139-166 (88.5 - 105.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
?
im celebrating that id survive the eq
i gotta see how much it does after the intimidate from base mawile before i mega
just to see how much i can afford to take
id use chompy myself if the eq wouldn’t hit my own mawile
which cant hold an airballoon cuz of the mega stone
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Mawile-Mega: 88-109 (56 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Pray it learns High Horsepower next gen.
so i can afford to take a 30% hit before that and live with literally 1 hp
Yes.
Don't think it will be, it's not considered a good mega
base chompy with a lorb, not mega
i know mega garchomp is not good
Badly.
i think ill try 252 hp 252 atk 4SpD with a relaxed nature
just to see if it does something for me
maybe i could do like a Rain TR team? 😭
116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 244-291 (155.4 - 185.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
changing the SpD to 4 wouldnt even matter
CIR is right there, cousin.
will it be in ruleset 1 of champions though
what mons would i even use in a TR rain team
mawile is very scared of fire and i can deal with that with rain (theoretically)
and water also threatens the ground mawile is also scared of
Will Lando?
Slow rain abuser...
archaudon comes to mind
Araquanid would be hella funny.
Water/Bug
Water Bubble, Water Absorb (Hidden)
68/70/92/50/132/42
454
Araquanid-Totem
oh WOW its slow
now to find a list of slow rain abusers
besides archaludon which does not help mawiles weaknesses to ground and fire
Dozo.
Who is 100% confirmed to be in Champions, since it was on the very first trailer we saw of the game.
Dragon/Water
Commander, Storm Drain (Hidden)
68/50/60/120/95/82
475
oh not really
Doesn't really matter.
Araquanid + Mawile will have people tighter than Emma's cheeks
what if mawile gets liquidation in champions 💀
you’re right
but the threat that i COULD have it is still there
mawile araquanid sounds pretty good
Water/Flying
Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)
60/50/100/95/70/65
440
hm
Water
Water Absorb, Damp, Drizzle (Hidden)
90/75/75/90/100/70
500
welp peli it is
or manual rain
manual rain is probably better
it can keep mawile safe longer (theoretically)
yeah but manual rain is easier to reset
You can have both.
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chat i am not cooking with this team
my house is on fire
Mawile Mienshao Riolu Gothitelle Politoed Araquanid
mawile in sv?
No, Champions.
champions
this team may not look it but its hard tr
and Mawile and Araquanid are the main damage dealers
should prob retry
why would i do that 😁
To be fair, I take responsibility for the war crime.
your main damage is like half functional damage
mawile is epic but the rest is like 5 vine boom sound effects
Me and Vex making teams together is like giving crack to a chimp and teaching it how to use a machine gun.
It never ends well.
this is true
ask Kalos 
i chose araquanid cuz i wanted a water type slower than mawile
mawile doesnt like ground and fire
water solves both 😀
and araquanid also has infestation helping with the perish trap core of mienshao politoed and gothitelle
im using mawile. that is nonnegotiable
and id like it to be in the rain cuz it no like fire
i dont have a paste for it yet but heres what we cooked up
i cant lie i heavy fw this mienshao set. its complete mindgames 😀
Fighting
Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)
65/125/60/95/60/105
510
yeah its too fast to use normally in tr
What’s the teaaaamm???!! 😳
Idk why but you saying this made me laugh and hear the sound effect
@north pelican wanna continue?
No I have chores to do for my dad rn
I'm already procrastinating a lot by talking here
bro this team is like the guy she tells you not to worry about 😭 what is this 
My reaction to this team winning
Make a team of 6 Azelf that know explosion
Psychic
Levitate
75/125/70/125/70/115
580
If I recall correctly there is one person who brought Azelf into a Regional
Yo i need a good nat dex doubles sweeper, ive tried ursaluna, rampardos, and conkelder but i still have terrible weaknesses to water grass and ground bc of my team , what should i add
Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Toxic
- Helping Hand
- Follow Me
- Life Dew
Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- Body Press
- Diamond Storm
- Ally Switch
Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Cosmic Power
- Body Press
- Toxic
- Rest
Bronzong @ Psychium Z
Ability: Heatproof
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Night Shade
- Hypnosis
- Trick Room
- Protect
Landorus @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 20 Atk / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
Mild Nature
- Sandsear Storm
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
- Defog
oops
that was rlly long mybad
you could have put it on a pokepaste and sent the pokepaste link
i was thinking iron hands but that guy has a ground weakness and i cant have 4
ill do that nexttime im new to comp lol
also what is this team 😭
what does bronzong gain from psychium Z? what do z-hypnosis and z-trick room do
ztrickroom for accuracy boost and hypnosis
also why do so many of the mons have toxic and body press
it works somehow i just have a really bad water weakness
this team is borderline stall 😭
It’s not borderline
It’s stall
LOL do u wanna go against it im noob
hell no i dont want to play against stall
only metagross is stall i promise ;-;
It’s double Nat Dex you are fine
me when i lie
what does that even mean i dont use showdown for anything but vgc and random double battles
nat dex is a mess
Doubles Nat Dex uses Smogon’s Doubles Banlist as a format
i dont play showdown like that
IM JOKING
i feel like there’s WAY better mons to pick from in nat dex after i just checked the banlists and sample teams
That Format just no-
I tried playing it with Mega Mence Hearthflame Combo and I got good results but I hate the teams here
They feel no bulk lol
bro i like my team shh
i feel like my team is that one beyonce beat that sounds weird without the vocals
no yeah i have one replay that was a terrible matchup for my team and i won bc stall
3 water types vs 3 pokemon weak to water wasnt fun LOL
idk its their fault for not running whirlwind or something
Yeah no
Most of my Nat Dex Doubles OU matches are like 5-7 turns lmao
Same with what I do in VGC
my metagross was SAT from the start of the match till the end
my longest vgc match was 9 turns
and its only cuz i rotated around to stall their TR turns
good time to mention i won
mawile 😁
ive tried rampardos, ursaluna bm
Raging bolt
mawile was an option actually i like that
does nat dex have mega evolution
raging bolt i like actually
stakataka maybe or iron hands
Hes perfect to add to your team
Ultra beasts arent in game
mega mawile would be good
Ah wait
ultra beasts are
Which game
they are in national dex
Showdown
Ah i was already confused
i live in pokemon actually
if i could have a restricted id put calyrex ice
stak is banned too i didnt check that
if they have the gen 6 mega evolutions maybe ill have to try nat dex
was stakataka particularly dangerous?
isnt stakataka the king of stall
idk im new
right along with toxapex
Fk hate them
The surging strikes got me good
Rock/Steel
Beast Boost
61/131/211/53/101/13
570
211 defense is insanity
ill try him later im gonna test out iron handy for a sec
https://pokepast.es/cf6f56241399dc5e yea it was just a strong tr attacker i found an old sample team
the format looks crazy offensive idk how strong stall may be there
mega camerupt 💀
stall isn’t great in doubles generally either
It’s funny that this thing need to lower it’s defenses in IVs just to make it use Atk Boosting Beast Boost lol
How do you do the ability patch cheat with the item printer again
or just 252+ defense and body press everything 🥀
Ill js give you some ability patches if you want to dawg
Need some help figuring out team for a new playthrough with some competitive viability (nothing masterball level but maybe greatball or ultra singlebattles). So far I have **Galarian-Slowking **(fun typing and strong stored power user), Gliscor (tox orb poison heal wall, plus covers G-King's ground weakness), **Scisor ** (technician sweeper, deals with dark types and fairies). Still need a strong watertype (maybe Dondozo for easy walling or Alamomola for a second regenerator pokemon), but aren't sure about the other two. Looking not to overlap types and avoid legendaries since this is for a new playthrough. Help?
i never thought id see “alomamola” and “strong” in the same sentence
Water
Healer, Hydration, Regenerator (Hidden)
165/75/80/40/45/65
470
thats a LOT of hp
idk if that balances out 80 defense and 45 SpD though
45 SpD on a pure water type cannot be good
Fun fact
Alomomola is number 2 in the reg H bo3 ladder of showdown rn xd
i imagine that might have something to do with 165 base hp
surely a pure water mon with 45 SpD cannot be good 😭
both Grass and Electric are heavily special types
would it even bother investing into that low SpD or would it just invest in more HP instead
Idk what tf is the goal of the team
Seems like a team that instaloses if Blursa goes down
Which isn't hard without a defensive tera on it and being so slow
that checks out
AV with regenerator
i wonder what the evs are id like to try this team
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPqp7UdDv0K/?igsh=a3dlbTk1aWpuN3o4
if only the evolved forms of these pokemon where whatsoever viable together (and in the case of thievul viable at all)
rotom heat and alomomola. what sort of reg is this
Reg J is newest, 2 restricted and mythicals allowed
that wasnt the question

it was more like what has reg H become to use those pokemon
It's one of the only pokemon that gets wish and a pivot move, plus it's actaully bulky enough to survive an attack - then heal with its ability
I've no idea why the team above put an AV on it, since it removes wish
plus it gets scald
scald doesnt help its base 45 SpD 💀
I thought about switching G-king with espathra then I could calm mind a bunch, and baton pass to Alamomola
hot take i think Scald should be boosted in the Sun
lmao they did end up getting over the 1700 mark 😭 i remember seeing it in the dm group
well that's why I can't make it above ultraball level I guess haha
using alomomola + eject pack salamence + rotom heat and getting to top 3 in the bo3 ladder is insane
so just hydro stream
hot water make pokemon burn
Run that fade
exactly
sunlight would definitely make water hot wouldnt it?
according to pokemon explosive musical bubbles is refreshing (referring to Sparkling Aria curing burns)
Scald should have a pollen puff like effect
Use scald on an ally and it heals and boost def or sp def
So no team ideas to pair with G-king?
thats a little TOO good
Mmmmm but surging strikes exist
They already took it from a bunch of pokemon, I doubt they'd buff it
also no Scald wouldn’t be soothing Scald is a term to describe hot water past the point of comfort
if it's a playthrough team then you can just do whatever
but if you're trying to play ranked battles (i'm guessing singles?) then the no legendaries won't get you far since the strongest mons are allowed rn
something that is scalding hot is uncomfortably hot
Mental image of a Sinischa pouring boiling water on a flaffy
exactly 😀
The flaffy screaming in pain as the sinischa just smiles pleasantly
https://munchstats.com/gen9bssregj/1630/Ting-Lu you can see usage rates here if you want some ideas
Ooo an apple
but yes, i think scald should just be a weaker hydro steam
its not boosted in sunlight
How about some kind of sacrificial move? Like you use it and it does some crazy effect but then randomly KO's another one of your own pokemon
It’s a less refined version of hydro steam or something like that being able to be boosted in the sun
that sounds like flavor text to Explosion
I think it would’ve been too broken if it was a water type move to be boosted in both sun and rain and also cause burn status
Ya but not the pokemon that uses it
idk it makes logical sense to me
what a chance to burn?
Yes
i mean it gets flamethrower
IDK how much extra help Walking Wake needs
Water/Dragon
Protosynthesis
99/83/91/125/83/109
590
A lot
Aqua Jet, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Facade, Fire Fang, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Outrage, Take Down, Waterfall
Chilling Water, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hydro Steam, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Scald, Snarl, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool
Agility, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Hone Claws, Leer, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Walking Wake.
ask ash ketchums level 100 pikachu that lost to a level 5 snivy
Sunny weather ball >
yeah but FT lets you burn
Weatherball Victreebell is surprisingly good
weatherball in general is a really good move
SCHYEAH
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bounce, Bullet Seed, Double-Edge, Endeavor, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Lunge, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn
Absorb, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball, Fairy Wind, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Pollen Puff, Round, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast
Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Cotton Guard, Cotton Spore, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Flash, Grassy Terrain, Growl, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Memento, Mimic, Poison Powder, Protect, Psych Up, Rage Powder, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Powder, Sleep Talk, Splash, Strength Sap, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Switcheroo, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Tail Whip, Tailwind, Toxic, Worry Seed
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Jumpluff.
lameeee
Is there a move that scales damage on speed? Or is Body press the only move that scales with a different stat?
im glad we dont have a speed scaling move
as far as i know just body press
there are special attacks that CAN scale physically if the mons physical attack is higher
like tera blast and photon geyser
I mean stored power ig
There should be a body press for each stat
NO THERE SHOULDNT BE
Mental Slam: Scales with Special D
speed boosts mons effectively getting a +1 boost to attack every turn
Running Kick: Scales with speed
just the thought of eleki
Meta Blaziken finally
Please dont speak of this horror
scarf is now specs/band and scarf
Blaziken in reg H is funny
-Be forgotten
-People start labing with you
-Win a prestigious online tournament
-Do not elaborate and dissapear forever
could you guys imagine the nightmare vgc would be if we had a Speed scaling Body Press? or an HP scaling one?
Yes that's why it doesn't exist
How about a OHKO that only lovedisc gets just to be nice
50% accuracy and call it - pity party -
50% accurate? i think bro forgets a mon called smeargle exists
Maybe it fails if anyone else uses it?
Dark times
HOW ABOUT A DARK VOID FOR EVERY TYPE
please stop
I guess dive and fly exist
i dont consent 😔
that has nothing to do with dark void
oh right I forgot it puts things to sleep
dark void was just a spread hypnosis
Hot take: the top 10 meta pokemon should be banned each subsequent season so it's not the same teams for years
Or just ban urshifu since I'm tired of it killing all my pokemon
theyve done that before
exactly that
oh
temporary solution to a permanent problem
how do you 'un-power-creep' pokemon
I think I just like to use pokemon that I use in a playthrough so I tend to avoid restricteds
Other hot take: paradox pokemon should be considered restricted and limited
ehhhh
i think they should have their OWN restriction
seperate from the actual restricted legendaries
it probably was in 2017
dang
Ya smogon has it as NU
i mean
it gets used in vgc according to munchstats
with a .35% usage rate
which is um…..
not good 👍🏻
well better than 0 I suppose
at least my G-king idea has some usage so I'm not a total dunce
@short quiver https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2470765481
IM TELLING YOU IT WORKS KINDA
Is there truly no way to build a decent team without the same 10 pokemon?? 
like we get it, urshifu, incineroar, flutter mane and bloodmoon are good - but they are simply TOO good
you are a menace to society
ngl i feel like national dex is more balanced than vgc

turns out i didnt need a new pokemon i just needed to tera grass my ursaluna
says the mf using stall 😔
bring whirlwind or haze and you'll literally be fineee
roar crying in a corner
idk arcanine roared me one too many times i felt the ick
the only ick is toxic stall 🥀
hey my bronzong was putting in work with nightshade 💔
doesnt bronzong get levitate
Steel/Psychic
Levitate, Heatproof, Heavy Metal (Hidden)
67/89/116/79/116/33
500
interesting
ground types are common but they're like one per team usually, so if i switch in clefairy i can usually guarantee tr being set up regardless
friend guard
ngl i ran comfey for a long while but he felt like he wasnt doing much exept healbotting
thats kinda what comfey is meant to do
why do people still use muk smeargle
for fun
how are 20+ turn games fun
because it works and they probably have no friends to tell them its morally wrong
some people just dont know how to play anything else
i tried it once and you're so vulnerable to bad rng
or if they for some reason have moves that dont miss
then what
or what if they have body slam
then your cooked 😀
theres a few moves that deal double damage after minimize isnt there?
roar moves are infinite accuracy right?
The target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. Fails if the target is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party, or if the target used Ingrain previously or has the Suction Cups Ability.
Normal
Status
0
—
20 (32)
-6
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Copied by Mirror Move.
Bypasses substitute.
Does not make contact.
Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.
Does not affect Soundproof.
it would appear yes
why do fat pokemon like hippowdon and clodsire get whirlwind
do they fart or something
cuz they can make whirlwinds of sand maybe?
clodsire's more of a muddy ground type though i feel
- Learns Whirlwind
Butterfree, Butterfree-Gmax, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Pidgeot-Mega, Spearow, Fearow, Zubat, Golbat, Venomoth, Farfetch’d, Doduo, Dodrio, Aerodactyl, Aerodactyl-Mega, Snorlax, Snorlax-Gmax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Crobat, Yanma, Murkrow, Skarmory, Skarmory-Mega, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Beautifly, Dustox, Shiftry, Taillow, Swellow, Masquerain, Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Spoink, Grumpig, Tropius, Starly, Staravia, Staraptor, Cranidos, Rampardos, Honchkrow, Munchlax, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Skorupi, Drapion, Yanmega, Sigilyph, Rufflet, Braviary, Braviary-Hisui, Vullaby, Mandibuzz, Volcarona, Noibat, Noivern, Tapu Bulu, Cufant, Copperajah, Copperajah-Gmax, Bombirdier, Slither Wing, Iron Hands, Iron Moth, Ting-Lu
natdex
Included
yeah i understand most of this list
only one i DONT understand is Rampardos
i think copperajah should have had Roar not Whirlwind
cuz like it could roar with its trunk or smthn
randbats sucks
L Charizard it doesnt learn tailwind
Fire/Flying
Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)
78/84/78/109/85/100
534
Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Beat Up, Bide, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Outrage, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Scratch, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Skull Bash, Sky Drop, Slash, Steel Wing, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Punch, Wing Attack
Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blast Burn, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Echoed Voice, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flame Burst, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Inferno, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Ominous Wind, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Weather Ball
Attract, Belly Drum, Block, Captivate, Celebrate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Hone Claws, Howl, Leer, Mimic, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Charizard.
I’m 90% sure you are choosing the time to be blind

no think only chomp
And with 60% chance of using only rely on one source
zard only learns tailwind in earlier gens
so i am right
yes
and 100% chance that you bit my head off before contemplating that our Sableye bot shows all nat dex moves, meaning every move the mon has ever had
Honestly I rather it lose tw
Yeah-
You are ignorant you can just do this
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Slash, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Punch
Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blast Burn, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Inferno, Overheat, Scorching Sands, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball
Belly Drum, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Roar, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Will-O-Wisp
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Charizard.
Anyways here’s a meme of Croissant curry
lore accurate Naveen
he actually said why he didnt like it
he liked the items seperately he just didnt appreciate them mixed together
I played the game I know that
But my standpoint it’s the Logic behind the dish’s design
Like are you dipping the croissants into the curry sauce? Is there Rice in this? Cuz there is no way the are replacing Meat with Croissants
Or Vegetables if you are Vegan but that’s just whatever
It doesn’t feel the same as normal curry but it’s fine
Better than the logic behind croissant Curry at least
Urbaine/Taunie is not cooking 🥀 (pun intended)
I’m just naming them Nemona 2
Can't wait for mega skarmory to get sharpness
Just for night slash and nothing else

blaziken + gambit is such a good lead for me holy shit
chat what game was Peli given drizzle
i thought it was alola but im searching for mons for a eam in my oras play throughs and it says peli has it in ORAS
i must be tweaking
It learns it Alola
so im not tweaking
Nah, whatever told you it's in ORAS is tweeking
that would be google
AI overview?
Yeah that has a habit of being a tweak

