#competitive_discussion

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stone trellis
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Can Dire Claw OHKO Volcarona?

real prairie
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Or do you mean post tera?

stone trellis
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Post Tera, duh.

real prairie
stone trellis
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Because I know for a fact that Tera Flying Acrobatics does.

real prairie
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Id imagine an adamant one might

stone trellis
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252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 252 HP / 116 Def Tera Grass Volcarona: 182-216 (94.7 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

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I can't lie, Acrobatics is still way funnier.

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Because the combination creates an unwinnable scenario for Rillaboom too.

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Do they Tera into Fire to avoid being killed by Acrobatics and die to EQ or do they stay as they are and die to Tera Flying Acrobatics?

dense latch
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neither does eq if grassy terrain is up but you can just stomping tantrum instead

real prairie
dense latch
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he's using sash acro though

real prairie
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ah yeah if we are talking his team specificallly

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thought we were just talking generically

dense latch
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non boosted tera flying adamant acro also doesnt ohko volc unless it's crazy frail

real prairie
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even with tera grass?

dense latch
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252+ Atk Tera-Flying Sneasler Acrobatics (Tera 60 BP Boost) vs. 252 HP / 60 Def Volcarona: 146-174 (76 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO it's weak to flying regardless

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tera fairy is the more popular set on volc so dire claw is usually just better

stone trellis
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I went back to my original vision of Garchomp + Talonflame.

real prairie
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Garchomp and Killowatrel have good synergy, Discharge + EQ spam

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and incin deterrent

stone trellis
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If I have to say this one more time...

dense latch
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if you do you could swap the prim slot for another way to hit dengo and stuff

cyan smelt
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Yeah but kilowattrel is made of wet paper, I remember in the gc I lead with incin into kilowattrel and weavile and the kilowattrel did nothing

real prairie
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Sash tera ghost Killo is decent

cyan smelt
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You're right that kilowattrel and chomp have good synergy

stone trellis
dense latch
dense latch
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you're only gonna be using coaching to its fullest with chomp and idt that's near the value of protect

stone trellis
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Fair.

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Are there any slow Pokemon that are special attackers, deal with Gholdengo and don't share any key weaknesses with the mons I have right now?

shadow wind
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What’s the team looking like

stone trellis
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I made a few changes, but the core six are the same.

shadow wind
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So then you don’t need a slow special attacker that deals with Gholdengo and doesn’t share any key weaknesses?

stone trellis
shadow wind
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Huh?

stone trellis
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Nothing.

shadow wind
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I’m genuinely asking

stone trellis
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Someone told me to replace Primarina.

shadow wind
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Cause you asked for a 7th Mon suggestion

stone trellis
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I did.

shadow wind
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🥀

stone trellis
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Give me the suggestion.

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UBM is out already due to the shared weakness problem.

shadow wind
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What’s the shared weakness? Ice?

stone trellis
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Yeah, and Rillaboom.

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And Water types.

shadow wind
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If you’re replacing Prima then it isn’t a shared grass weakness

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And only 2 water weaks is definitely manageable in a tera format

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If you are actually looking for suggestions then that’s my recommendation but if you aren’t then keep the team how it is

stone trellis
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If Adamant Talonflame does like, 90% to bulky Rilla, how much would Gholdengo take from Flare Blitz?

short quiver
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i hope Champions and Gen 10 distributes skill swap more generously then Pladea did

cyan smelt
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How about chandelure

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Oh you already have talon

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Nvm

real prairie
shadow wind
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Why not expert belt at that point

cyan smelt
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Why not sharp beak

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I've realised from playing randbats that I like setup too much, I think I get greedy in vgc

shadow wind
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And also a bigger multiplier is never bad

foggy lodge
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Lorb Talonflame my goat

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That thing OHKO'd Chi-Yu LOL

cyan smelt
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Lorb flare blitz would hit like a truck

shadow wind
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One of those like tiny Japanese trucks maybe

timber schooner
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What's a good move set for indeed

next stump
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follow me, psychic, trick room, helping hand

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that’s kinda your standard moveset

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if you’re talking about indeedee male it’s different

timber schooner
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Its just a support female no trickroom

dense latch
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it's still good to have trick room even if you don't plan on using it in most games

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reversing tr + can use it vs very fast teams/tailwind

timber schooner
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Im thinking hitmon top then because it has wide gaurd and intimidate and fake out

dense latch
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what's the team?

timber schooner
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Im working on it right now its a team to try and make sceptile conpetive

timber schooner
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You got any suggestions for water or ground types

dense latch
timber schooner
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What's poke paste

dense latch
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a way to share pokemon teams, moves, spreads items etc

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do you use pokemon showdown?

timber schooner
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I have used it

dense latch
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it's the best way to build and test out teams for competitive + when you're on the teambuilder and scroll down on a team's page there's an option to export to pokepaste

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see the second to last option
build your team/what you have so far and then send it here

timber schooner
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How do I send it

dense latch
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just copy the link after you upload to pokepaste

timber schooner
dense latch
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even in reg h they're really bad

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maybe you can force sceptile into a good team

timber schooner
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They actually work decently together

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Got any pokemon suggestions because i was thinking kyoger

foggy lodge
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No point in Unburden on Sceptile

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Ironically the base ability is somehow better

timber schooner
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I know

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Its already fast enough

hollow echo
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yo

timber schooner
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Yo

hollow echo
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hey how to defeat

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a pokemon that is

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both fire and water?

solid frigate
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Electric and Ground

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If you want a fast approach

hollow echo
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rock is same as ground?

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in gen9 ou

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can you use god like pokemon?

waxen dock
hollow echo
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it was volcanion

hollow echo
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yo

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big question?

hollow echo
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what is ou

knotty mirage
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It mean OverUsed i think

short quiver
stone trellis
hollow echo
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i see

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then what is UU?

short quiver
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i believe UU is UnderUsed

stone trellis
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UU is UnderUsed, RU is RarelyUsed, NU is NeverUsed, PU is a pun and ZU is ZeroUsed.

hollow echo
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any difference between these?

short quiver
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yes

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the difference is how much the pokemon is used in singles i believe???

stone trellis
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Yes.

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If a Pokemon is used by less than 4,52% of people in OU, it drops to UU.

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The same rule applies to UU, RU and all the other tiers too, I think.

hollow echo
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hmm i see

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so wanna see my team?

short quiver
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ill check it out 😀

hollow echo
short quiver
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um

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what ruleset is this team for 😭

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cuz you generally cant use the same item on more than one pokemon in a team

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also this team is um

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interesting to say the least

hollow echo
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what is fairy weakness

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and bug weakness

short quiver
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fairy is weak to poison and steel

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bug is weak to fire flying rock

hollow echo
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rock too?

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Tyranitar got cooked by bug pokemon

short quiver
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bug is super effective to dark psychic and grass

hollow echo
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i see

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but it is rock too

short quiver
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bug is neutral to rock

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so it keeps the bug weakness from being a dark type

hollow echo
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huh?

short quiver
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bug is weak to rock

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rock does not resist bug, its nuetral

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so a rock dark type would be weak to bug

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because dark is weak to bug

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and rock doesnt resist it to cancel out the weakness

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pokemon is simply a very complicated game of rock paper scissors

real prairie
short quiver
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i hate it here

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my amazon package says overnight delivery between 4-8am and its 5:30 am and it hasnt even been shipped yet

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🥀

real prairie
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why did surf need nerfing with the power curve we have nowadays

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So annoying

cyan smelt
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is it just me or is kilowattrel becoming more common

real prairie
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it has its ups and downs

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Wolfe used Killo + Mamo a little while back, made it popular

cyan smelt
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decent glass cannon

real prairie
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decent move pool too

cyan smelt
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i feel like i should play some reg h

real prairie
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well GC is back again in a week

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so may aswell join me in team building again

cyan smelt
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i don't think i can handle ludicolo again lol

real prairie
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haha i meant team build our own teams

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not make you run mine, that was only because you didn't have something

cyan smelt
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yeah fair

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only you can make ludicolo work

real prairie
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even thats a stretch haha im just stubborn

cyan smelt
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ok i really like the core of gambit, blaziken, rilla and buzz

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it feels super strong to me

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and i love punishing opponents who play passively to get speed boosts

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and honestly u-turn just feels better on rilla

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i'm forced to be smart with my switches with this team

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and it deals really well with arch rain

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i just love rilla and gambit

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balance is dope

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i feel like vgc is 90% about finding a teamstyle that you enjoy

hollow echo
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then what would you say to my team?

cyan smelt
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what's your team and i'm no expert

hollow echo
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oh i see

cyan smelt
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is this a singles team?

hollow echo
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yeah

cyan smelt
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sorry, don't play singles but you definitely need heavy duty boots on charizard

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and you probably want stealth rock and rapid spin too

hollow echo
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why?

cyan smelt
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from what i understand of singles, there's a lot of hazards going around for chip damage and because there's a lot more switching, and you need hdb on charizard because it's 4x weak to rock

hollow echo
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i see

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what is good against fairly ?

cyan smelt
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gholdengo is always a good pick

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or you could use sneasler

stone trellis
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Sneasler is in Ubers, isn't it?

cyan smelt
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which format are we talking here

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is it just me or is gholdengo the strongest pokemon in reg h

real prairie
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but yeah, its V.good

cyan smelt
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aren't a lot of arch rain teams running arch and gholdengo though

hollow echo
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hey what snorlax should use?

foggy lodge
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The ability is way too broken

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Typing too

cyan smelt
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it just nasty plots its way to victory

foggy lodge
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Its super similar to CSR

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo
Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

cyan smelt
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ghost types are op in reg h, i can think of at least 4 that are good

stone trellis
foggy lodge
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The bulk isn't really that better

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People underestimate CSR's bulk

stone trellis
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It feels that way due to the typing.

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No, it is hideously frail.

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow
Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

stone trellis
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It's good bulk for a non-restricted, I will say that.

foggy lodge
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But yes the typing makes it feel bulkier

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Just a far better typing

stone trellis
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On top of an ability which doesn't rely on it actually surviving for more than two turns to be broken.

foggy lodge
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Even on restricteds formats dengo had its niche cuz

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It was like a mini CSR with worse stats but also steel coverage

stone trellis
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84 base Speed means Timid with Scarf reaches 223?

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Oh.

foggy lodge
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Yeah but it wasn't good

stone trellis
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Yeah, it's not Shifu.

cyan smelt
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god can i just say again how much coaching blaziken next to gambit rules

hollow echo
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hey

cyan smelt
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basically 1v4 an entire team

hollow echo
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is reg H?

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which mode should i play?

cyan smelt
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i feel like i have a stamina gambit with coaching

stone trellis
hollow echo
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yo

cyan smelt
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let me check what i'm using

hollow echo
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look at my team

stone trellis
hollow echo
hollow echo
cyan smelt
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my blaziken is tera ghost, aura sphere, detect, heat wave and coaching

zinc edge
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Anyone want to do some reg h practice battles ?

stone trellis
cyan smelt
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it's singles

stone trellis
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You can only have one or even two of each item in most formats, if I remember correctly.

stone trellis
cyan smelt
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what team are you using paul and can i spectate

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unless it's super secret sauce

stone trellis
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A team I've sent before that has had some changes made to it.

zinc edge
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Ok one sec I'll lyk when I'm ready

cyan smelt
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oh right mr garchomp

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if gambit is my fav mon of reg h then garchomp must be yours paul

stone trellis
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I dislike Reg H, the shark is just funny.

hollow echo
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my pokemons got cooked

stone trellis
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I believe that it can shred with the correct preparation.

cyan smelt
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i'm beginning to enjoy reg h now that i've found something that semi-works for me

hollow echo
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why there was god like pokemon in uu?

stone trellis
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UU is based on usage.

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If a legendary Pokemon isn't used enough to remain in OU, it will drop to UU no matter how strong it may be.

hollow echo
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isee

cyan smelt
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kyurem black lol

zinc edge
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Ok I'm ready what code you wanna use

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@stone trellis

stone trellis
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Code?

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Oh shit, I thought it was on Showdown.

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I don't have the time to do a cart battle.

zinc edge
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Oh ok no problem

waxen dock
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do you guys know when do the worlds travel award details get published?

cyan smelt
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did someone ping maya about ribombee winning lille

real prairie
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now someone has

stone trellis
stone trellis
waxen dock
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acro isnt very good and consistent unlike dire claw

stone trellis
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It creates lose-lose scenarios for any Grass type or anyone who doesn't resist EQ and wants to go Tera Grass.

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That's not something Dire Claw does because it's simply way too weak to pick up KOs sometimes.

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Case in point:
252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 164-194 (79.6 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ Atk Tera Flying Sneasler Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 224-266 (108.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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It also actually rolls for a KO into Amoonguss.

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Granted, that KO only happens if you get the two highest rolls, but still.

waxen dock
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or psychic seed if you wwant the chomp

stone trellis
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I can't force it because Talonflame.

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And I can't use Kilowattrel because it sucks.

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But aight.

waxen dock
stone trellis
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That's even more shit, but aight.

cyan smelt
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i registered for the brisbane regional

waxen dock
cyan smelt
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I need to practice

waxen dock
cyan smelt
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I'll play some bo3 tomorrow and fine tune my team ig

upper zealot
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dire claw is kinda the opposite of consistent

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you’re kinda just clicking it and praying for a good result

real prairie
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Tbh if it's short notice and you don't know a team, just run A9 balance

real prairie
shadow wind
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They done graffiti'd my guy

bold geode
# stone trellis 1. Dire Claw is for pussies 2. Acrobatics is better 3. I'll have to sacrifice ei...
  1. Plz refrain from using that word
  2. Sash Acrobatics is VERY inconsistent tbh and so is Sash Unburden
  3. Dire Claw literally does the same thing that Acrobatics does from what you're saying
    Only thing it doesn't do this for is Amoonguss but Ground hits Amoonguss for neutral anyways and so does Dire Claw so you do good damage anyways plus you have Gholdengo and Taunt not to mention Hydreigon Heat Wave should either force Amoonguss tera or blast the shroom with Specs anyways
bold geode
upper zealot
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80bp isn’t really good damage

bold geode
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Yes it is
Sneasler has the same base Atk as Urshifu

next stump
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you’re 2HKOing most of the format with dire claw

bold geode
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It's not straight up annihilation but it's consistent

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And you're essentially gambling with loaded dice
Like you're telling me I can do solid damage AND potentially put something to sleep?

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And like no offense to anyone, but you should only really NEED the status conditions if you're real behind

chrome knot
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@bold geode i going to local om weekend

bold geode
solid frigate
chrome knot
upper zealot
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acro is 110 w a tera that helps it defensively as well

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along with a +1 def boost that kinda lets it live some things a bit more

solid frigate
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120 BP dire claw vs 110 Acro

upper zealot
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tera

solid frigate
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Dire claw sets also runs Stellar Tera

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The Tera argument doesn’t work

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Also btw turn 1 set up+Mandatory Unburden

stone trellis
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I'm still running Acrobatics because it combos well with Tera Flying.

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I'm still not 100% sold on Talonflame and Hydreigon being the only things that can sit next to Garchomp.

dense latch
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you can do tera flying dengo and just run a normal sneasler

stone trellis
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What the hell is "normal" in this context?

dense latch
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acro isn't going to be worth it 90% of the time because you rely on your opponent to set it up for you

stone trellis
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The devious EQ on turn 1:

dense latch
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normal sash sneasler as in dire claw cc protect fake out

stone trellis
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Sure.

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I really enjoyed putting Rilla (or any Grass type) in lose-lose situations, I can't lie.

dense latch
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dire claw does the same thing for every meta grass type but amoonguss and sinistcha, which both run sitrus and will live anyways

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  • punishes fairy types and teras
bold geode
bold geode
stone trellis
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I meant my own EQ.

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It's worked at least a few times.

dense latch
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which goes after your sneasler attacks unless you make chomp jolly

upper zealot
dense latch
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that just opens up your sneasler to get KOd right after

bold geode
stone trellis
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Doing seed stuff is not something I'm willing to do for reasons I'm tired of explaining.

chrome knot
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mon ke

stone trellis
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Anywho, why Protect over something like Throat Chop?

bold geode
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Not to mention the fact that the reason why people run Acro isn't cuz Dire Claw is bad

dense latch
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don't use seeds
just don't use acrobatics on that set because it sucks

bold geode
chrome knot
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hai

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do u fw the team🥺

bold geode
upper zealot
bold geode
stone trellis
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So is everything else on the team at least a bit good?

dense latch
bold geode
dense latch
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hitting for 50% on a super effective move with throat chop is nowhere near the value of protect

bold geode
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Honestly if I were running Throat Chop on Sneasler here I think it'd always go over Fake Out

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But that depends on like
How much do you REALLY need Fake Out or Chop

stone trellis
bold geode
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Yeah
Don't dog yourself too hard on stuff

stone trellis
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Does female Indeedee run Calm or Bold?

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Because I calced Hydreigon to kill Bold.

dense latch
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most just do max max bold

stone trellis
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Great, so it's dead.

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And Hatterene probably dies in 2 hits as well.

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At least I have a few decent anti-TR tools.

dense latch
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you can probably just spam snarl make it rain with amoong in back and win the hard tr mu really easily

stone trellis
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Should Amoonguss be Tera Dark or Tera Water?

dense latch
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tera dark is overkill

bold geode
stone trellis
dense latch
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water or fairy are better

stone trellis
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Then again, if bulky Volcarona dies in one hit, so does Indeedee.

bold geode
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Also Amoonguss probably Tera Water, though like
So tell me something

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Okay I want you to think about this

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Tera Water is good generally
But what Tera do you think you need more here and why

stone trellis
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Water works for me.

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It's Amoonguss, I'm confident enough in its natural bulk that I can trust it to either live a Wood Hammer from Rilla or take the monkey down along with it.

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Does Wood Hammer make contact?

bold geode
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Well if you Tera Water it'll kind of eat shit to Rilla but yeah it does make contact

stone trellis
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So Rilla will definitely be in range of Dragon Claw after a Wood Hammer into Amoonguss.

bold geode
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Should be

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I don't see why not

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Basically for that one it's kind of like yeah sure Water tera sort of dies to Rilla but what benefits do I get in exchange for running this

stone trellis
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236 means 219 HP, which is 73 HP in recoil. Add to that the 1/6 HP lost from Rocky Helmet (which should be around 68) and Rilla loses 141 of its 206 HP.

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I'm dumb, it's 34.

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Not 68.

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Still should put it in range.

bold geode
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Yeah
Also fun fact, 236 HP is an optimal number for Amoonguss

stone trellis
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I know.

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Regenerator heals 1/3 of its HP.

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And 219 is the highest HP Amoonguss can have that is divisible by 3.

stone trellis
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On top of the cracked neutral game.

bold geode
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Yeah

stone trellis
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I'm still torn on if I want Garchomp to keep Tera Ground or not.

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On the one hand, it just kills everything.

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With very few drawbacks.

bold geode
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Anything you struggle with that it might help?

stone trellis
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Killing Volcarona, for one.

bold geode
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Cuz of the support?

stone trellis
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Killing Incineroar, killing Arch, killing UBM the moment I get flinched...

dense latch
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use brave bird talonflame, it either drops volc to very low/kills it or it forces a tera fairy, which you can hit with sneasler or dengo

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obv it's not as simple as that but that's what works against me when i play against these tflame dengo chomp teams

stone trellis
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It's already calced to outspeed any base 85, so that's not an issue.

dense latch
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tera ground chomp is still a decent option though if you havent felt like the defensive tera has been much help

bold geode
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Yeah

stone trellis
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I'll keep it and see how it goes for now.

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Would this team count as balance, offense or HO?

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Because it has the fattest Gholdengo this side of Paldea, as well as Amoonguss.

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But everybody else has a 4 times weakness.

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And all but one of the team members can shred.

bold geode
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Honestly although it's good to have labels for archetypes, labels are just words LOL

stone trellis
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I just want to know because I need to learn how to distinguish the different archetypes.

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I know balance has a lot of pivoting tools and such, but not much beyond that.

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I also know that Chi-Yu, Flutter Mane and Koraidon are sun HO.

tiny karmaBOT
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short quiver
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lunala learns tailwind? and whimsicott learns tr? 😭

polar canyon
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Arceus and arceus and arceus and also arceus

short quiver
polar canyon
tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 178: Xatu
Types

Psychic/Flying

Abilities

Synchronize, Early Bird, Magic Bounce (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/75/70/95/70/95

Total

470

polar canyon
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Xatu has one of my favorite designs

short quiver
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i was hoping it was slower

polar canyon
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Sucks that it's like pretty mid

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I just really really like natu and like xatu by extent

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It's like an olive on legs

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With big eyes

short quiver
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i wanted a psychic type i can throw next to a mega mawile in champions for TR

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that can also provide tailwind

polar canyon
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Your options are there

short quiver
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xatu isnt slow enough

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arceus is a mythical

polar canyon
#

Does it have to be the same pokemon for tw and tr?

short quiver
#

not necessarily

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i do want it to be specifically psychic though

polar canyon
#

Because you're worried about it having to be slow but like

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Slow enough for tr is also too slow for tailwind

short quiver
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i want it to be like slow enough for tr but fast enough in a tailroom team

polar canyon
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Not happening I don't think unless it's something very specific

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There are some mad people out there with fast ursaluna bm and fast calyrex ice

short quiver
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i used tailwind cir

polar canyon
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There you go

short quiver
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it was so much funnnnnn

polar canyon
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But expecting a 3 in one deal ia gonna just give you a pokemon that can do that and nothing else

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Or lunala

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Lunala is pretty good

short quiver
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lunala suffers 4 slot syndrome

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and making two of the moves tr and tw immediately ruins it

polar canyon
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Just use indeedee

short quiver
#

but i cant

polar canyon
#

Why does it have to be psychic for mawile anyways

short quiver
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i mean id be okay with it being a grass type

polar canyon
#

Not like it needs poison or fighting coverage

short quiver
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i want to get the tailroom mawile part of my team ready

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and who knows if champions will dish Speed Swap more generously than Paldea did

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so i gotta work with what i have available rn

polar canyon
#

How moves are gonna be handled is a good question

short quiver
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mawiles weaknesses are ground and fire and thats it right

polar canyon
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Since there isn't a base single player mode you can get tms or find tutors in

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Just have separate setters for tw and tr

short quiver
#

well i mean speed swap was only
given to Rabsca in Paldea

polar canyon
tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 954: Rabsca
Types

Bug/Psychic

Abilities

Synchronize, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/50/85/115/100/45

Total

470

polar canyon
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Yeeeah that does sound cool for soft tr

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Do people call non-hard tr soft tr

short quiver
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idk i dont like tr

polar canyon
#

You using tw cir makes sense now

short quiver
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aye man it worked

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if its not broke dont fix it

polar canyon
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Tr cir wasn't broke

short quiver
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the issue isnt tr cir its that i dont like tr

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but i must make sacrifices for the things i love, which is mawile

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indeedee wont work unless i drop sucker punch

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which i could for crunch but like

short quiver
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actually if im doing tr i dont care about sucker punch anyways right

short quiver
#

will it be in champs tho 😔

foggy lodge
#

Probably

short quiver
#

hm

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mega mawile can tank an eq right

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(after intimidate from its base form)

real prairie
short quiver
#

im having paul calc it for me

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my biggest concern is garchomp

stone trellis
#

Relaxed does live an intimidated Lorb Adamant EQ.

short quiver
#

nice

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what about from a mega chompy

stone trellis
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Mega Chomp can't hold Lorb, it's way weaker.

short quiver
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so for sure lives it

stone trellis
#

Yes.

short quiver
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my biggest concern is chompy cuz i KNOW its gonna be very common

stone trellis
#

Expert Belt Lando-T would be funny as hell.

short quiver
#

i imagine even after intimidate that would still cook me

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 645: Landorus-Therian
Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Intimidate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/145/90/105/80/91

Total

600

Base Species

Landorus

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Pokémon No. 445: Garchomp
Types

Dragon/Ground

Abilities

Sand Veil, Rough Skin (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

108/130/95/80/85/102

Total

600

Other Formes

Garchomp-Mega

stone trellis
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252+ Atk Expert Belt Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Mawile-Mega: 139-166 (88.5 - 105.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

stone trellis
#

?

short quiver
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im celebrating that id survive the eq

stone trellis
#

Cool.

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Hopefully nothing puts Mawile in range.

short quiver
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i gotta see how much it does after the intimidate from base mawile before i mega

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just to see how much i can afford to take

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id use chompy myself if the eq wouldn’t hit my own mawile

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which cant hold an airballoon cuz of the mega stone

stone trellis
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-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Mawile-Mega: 88-109 (56 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

stone trellis
short quiver
stone trellis
#

Yes.

short quiver
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i gotta get my special defense situation together though

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EP for sure cooks mawile

real prairie
short quiver
#

i know mega garchomp is not good

stone trellis
short quiver
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i think ill try 252 hp 252 atk 4SpD with a relaxed nature

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just to see if it does something for me

short quiver
stone trellis
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116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 244-291 (155.4 - 185.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

short quiver
stone trellis
short quiver
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what mons would i even use in a TR rain team

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mawile is very scared of fire and i can deal with that with rain (theoretically)

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and water also threatens the ground mawile is also scared of

stone trellis
short quiver
#

probably not

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i dont see a large number of legendaries being in the first ruleset

stone trellis
short quiver
#

archaudon comes to mind

stone trellis
#

Araquanid would be hella funny.

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 752: Araquanid
Types

Water/Bug

Abilities

Water Bubble, Water Absorb (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/70/92/50/132/42

Total

454

Other Formes

Araquanid-Totem

short quiver
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oh WOW its slow

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now to find a list of slow rain abusers

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besides archaludon which does not help mawiles weaknesses to ground and fire

stone trellis
#

Dozo.

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Who is 100% confirmed to be in Champions, since it was on the very first trailer we saw of the game.

short quiver
#

true

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tatsugiri is fast right

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 978: Tatsugiri
Types

Dragon/Water

Abilities

Commander, Storm Drain (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/50/60/120/95/82

Total

475

short quiver
#

oh not really

stone trellis
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Doesn't really matter.

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Araquanid + Mawile will have people tighter than Emma's cheeks

short quiver
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what if mawile gets liquidation in champions 💀

stone trellis
#

It could.

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But you won't need it.

short quiver
#

you’re right

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but the threat that i COULD have it is still there

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mawile araquanid sounds pretty good

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 279: Pelipper
Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/100/95/70/65

Total

440

short quiver
#

hm

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 186: Politoed
Type

Water

Abilities

Water Absorb, Damp, Drizzle (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/75/75/90/100/70

Total

500

short quiver
#

welp peli it is

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or manual rain

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manual rain is probably better

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it can keep mawile safe longer (theoretically)

stone trellis
#

They last for the same amount of time.

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5 turns for both.

short quiver
#

yeah but manual rain is easier to reset

stone trellis
#

You can have both.

short quiver
#

im forced to peli

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politoed is too fast

tiny karmaBOT
#
[Latest Gen] Politoed
Sing:
  • Politoed does not learn Sing in Generation 9
empty haven
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7 turn freeze

tiny karmaBOT
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Politoed's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Bounce, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Dig, Dive, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Ball, Ice Punch, Liquidation, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Payback, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Rage, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Wake-Up Slap, Waterfall

Special Moves

Blizzard, Bubble, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Bomb, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Psychic, Psywave, Round, Scald, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Belly Drum, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Metronome, Mimic, Mind Reader, Mist, Perish Song, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Refresh, Rest, Screech, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Toxic, Water Sport

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Politoed.

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Move: Psywave

Deals damage to the target equal to (user's level) * (X + 50) / 100, where X is a random number from 0 to 100, rounded down, but not less than 1 HP.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

short quiver
#

thats a lot of words

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too bad i’m not readin em

tiny karmaBOT
#
Filters
  • Has the ability Prankster
  • Learns Rain Dance
Results (14)

Murkrow, Sableye, Volbeat, Illumise, Banette-Mega, Riolu, Purrloin, Liepard, Tornadus, Thundurus, Meowstic, Klefki, Shroodle, Grafaiai

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

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Pokémon No. 678: Meowstic
Type

Psychic

Abilities

Keen Eye, Infiltrator, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/48/76/83/81/104

Total

466

Other Formes

Meowstic-F

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Pokémon No. 707: Klefki
Types

Steel/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Magician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

57/80/91/80/87/75

Total

470

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Pokémon No. 945: Grafaiai
Types

Poison/Normal

Abilities

Unburden, Poison Touch, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

63/95/65/80/72/110

Total

485

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Pokémon No. 447: Riolu
Type

Fighting

Abilities

Steadfast, Inner Focus, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

40/70/40/35/40/60

Total

285

stone trellis
#

"Great minds think alike" ahh 🥀

tiny karmaBOT
#
Filters
  • Learns Skill Swap
  • Learns Wide Guard
Results (6)

Mr. Mime, Gallade, Gallade-Mega, Alomomola, Stakataka, Iron Valiant

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

#
Filters
  • Learns Ally Switch
  • Learns Wide Guard
Results (11)

Graveler-Alola, Golem-Alola, Kingler, Kingler-Gmax, Mr. Mime, Gallade, Gallade-Mega, Probopass, Mienshao, Stakataka, Armarouge

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

short quiver
#

chat i am not cooking with this team

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my house is on fire

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Mawile Mienshao Riolu Gothitelle Politoed Araquanid

chrome knot
#

mawile in sv?

stone trellis
#

No, Champions.

short quiver
#

this team may not look it but its hard tr

#

and Mawile and Araquanid are the main damage dealers

chrome knot
#

should prob retry

short quiver
#

why would i do that 😁

stone trellis
#

To be fair, I take responsibility for the war crime.

chrome knot
#

your main damage is like half functional damage

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mawile is epic but the rest is like 5 vine boom sound effects

stone trellis
#

Me and Vex making teams together is like giving crack to a chimp and teaching it how to use a machine gun.

#

It never ends well.

short quiver
#

mawile doesnt like ground and fire

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water solves both 😀

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and araquanid also has infestation helping with the perish trap core of mienshao politoed and gothitelle

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im using mawile. that is nonnegotiable

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and id like it to be in the rain cuz it no like fire

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i dont have a paste for it yet but heres what we cooked up

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i cant lie i heavy fw this mienshao set. its complete mindgames 😀

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao
Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

short quiver
#

yeah its too fast to use normally in tr

torn parrot
bold geode
jaunty briar
#

@north pelican wanna continue?

north pelican
#

No I have chores to do for my dad rn

#

I'm already procrastinating a lot by talking here

short quiver
solid frigate
north pelican
#

Make a team of 6 Azelf that know explosion

short quiver
#

i cant lie i respect it

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 482: Azelf
Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/125/70/125/70/115

Total

580

solid frigate
#

If I recall correctly there is one person who brought Azelf into a Regional

thorn sierra
#

Yo i need a good nat dex doubles sweeper, ive tried ursaluna, rampardos, and conkelder but i still have terrible weaknesses to water grass and ground bc of my team , what should i add

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Toxic
  • Helping Hand
  • Follow Me
  • Life Dew

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Protect
  • Body Press
  • Diamond Storm
  • Ally Switch

Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Cosmic Power
  • Body Press
  • Toxic
  • Rest

Bronzong @ Psychium Z
Ability: Heatproof
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Night Shade
  • Hypnosis
  • Trick Room
  • Protect

Landorus @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 20 Atk / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
Mild Nature

  • Sandsear Storm
  • Rock Slide
  • U-turn
  • Defog
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oops

#

that was rlly long mybad

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

i was thinking iron hands but that guy has a ground weakness and i cant have 4

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ill do that nexttime im new to comp lol

short quiver
#

also what is this team 😭

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what does bronzong gain from psychium Z? what do z-hypnosis and z-trick room do

thorn sierra
#

ztrickroom for accuracy boost and hypnosis

short quiver
#

also why do so many of the mons have toxic and body press

thorn sierra
#

it works somehow i just have a really bad water weakness

short quiver
#

this team is borderline stall 😭

solid frigate
#

It’s not borderline

It’s stall

thorn sierra
#

LOL do u wanna go against it im noob

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

only metagross is stall i promise ;-;

solid frigate
short quiver
#

me when i lie

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

nat dex is a mess

solid frigate
short quiver
#

oh 😭

#

(i still dont understand)

#

but sure 👨‍🦯

thorn sierra
#

idk you'd understand it if you were cool like us

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🤓

short quiver
#

i dont play showdown like that

thorn sierra
#

IM JOKING

dense latch
solid frigate
#

That Format just no-

I tried playing it with Mega Mence Hearthflame Combo and I got good results but I hate the teams here

They feel no bulk lol

short quiver
#

im glad you enjoy stall

#

other players must love you

thorn sierra
#

i feel like my team is that one beyonce beat that sounds weird without the vocals

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no yeah i have one replay that was a terrible matchup for my team and i won bc stall

short quiver
#

you are a menace to society 😔

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thats not necessarily a bad thing i guess

thorn sierra
#

3 water types vs 3 pokemon weak to water wasnt fun LOL

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idk its their fault for not running whirlwind or something

solid frigate
thorn sierra
#

my metagross was SAT from the start of the match till the end

short quiver
#

my longest vgc match was 9 turns

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and its only cuz i rotated around to stall their TR turns

thorn sierra
#

that was my longest

#

anyways

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

WHAT IS A GOOD SLOW MON
genuinely im struggling so bad on what to pick

#

LOL

thorn sierra
#

ive tried rampardos, ursaluna bm

thorn sierra
#

mawile was an option actually i like that

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

raging bolt i like actually

dense latch
#

stakataka maybe or iron hands

jaunty briar
thorn sierra
#

yes i have mega diancie with a tr-looking team

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thanks i will test him out

jaunty briar
short quiver
#

mega mawile would be good

jaunty briar
#

Ah wait

thorn sierra
#

ultra beasts are

jaunty briar
#

Which game

thorn sierra
#

originally i did stockpile guzzlord

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nat dex

dense latch
short quiver
jaunty briar
thorn sierra
#

i live in pokemon actually

dense latch
#

oh lol they banned the urshifus

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fair enough ig

thorn sierra
#

if i could have a restricted id put calyrex ice

dense latch
#

stak is banned too i didnt check that

short quiver
#

if they have the gen 6 mega evolutions maybe ill have to try nat dex

thorn sierra
#

was stakataka particularly dangerous?

short quiver
thorn sierra
#

idk im new

short quiver
#

right along with toxapex

dense latch
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i imagine it’s just a very strong tr attacker

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doubt it’s anything with stall

jaunty briar
#

The surging strikes got me good

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 805: Stakataka
Types

Rock/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/131/211/53/101/13

Total

570

short quiver
#

211 defense is insanity

thorn sierra
dense latch
#

the format looks crazy offensive idk how strong stall may be there

short quiver
#

mega camerupt 💀

dense latch
#

stall isn’t great in doubles generally either

solid frigate
timber schooner
#

How do you do the ability patch cheat with the item printer again

short quiver
jaunty briar
lusty grail
#

Need some help figuring out team for a new playthrough with some competitive viability (nothing masterball level but maybe greatball or ultra singlebattles). So far I have **Galarian-Slowking **(fun typing and strong stored power user), Gliscor (tox orb poison heal wall, plus covers G-King's ground weakness), **Scisor ** (technician sweeper, deals with dark types and fairies). Still need a strong watertype (maybe Dondozo for easy walling or Alamomola for a second regenerator pokemon), but aren't sure about the other two. Looking not to overlap types and avoid legendaries since this is for a new playthrough. Help?

short quiver
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i never thought id see “alomamola” and “strong” in the same sentence

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 594: Alomomola
Type

Water

Abilities

Healer, Hydration, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

165/75/80/40/45/65

Total

470

short quiver
#

thats a LOT of hp

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idk if that balances out 80 defense and 45 SpD though

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45 SpD on a pure water type cannot be good

foggy lodge
#

Alomomola is number 2 in the reg H bo3 ladder of showdown rn xd

short quiver
foggy lodge
#

Its a weird ass team

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Let me search it

short quiver
#

surely a pure water mon with 45 SpD cannot be good 😭

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both Grass and Electric are heavily special types

#

would it even bother investing into that low SpD or would it just invest in more HP instead

foggy lodge
#

Idk what tf is the goal of the team

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Seems like a team that instaloses if Blursa goes down

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Which isn't hard without a defensive tera on it and being so slow

short quiver
#

AV with regenerator

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i wonder what the evs are id like to try this team

cyan smelt
#

rotom heat and alomomola. what sort of reg is this

lusty grail
#

Reg J is newest, 2 restricted and mythicals allowed

short quiver
#

that wasnt the question

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it was more like what has reg H become to use those pokemon

lusty grail
# short quiver thats a LOT of hp

It's one of the only pokemon that gets wish and a pivot move, plus it's actaully bulky enough to survive an attack - then heal with its ability

short quiver
#

imagine it guard swapping with a shuckle

lusty grail
#

plus it gets scald

short quiver
#

scald doesnt help its base 45 SpD 💀

lusty grail
short quiver
#

hot take i think Scald should be boosted in the Sun

dense latch
# foggy lodge

lmao they did end up getting over the 1700 mark 😭 i remember seeing it in the dm group

lusty grail
dense latch
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using alomomola + eject pack salamence + rotom heat and getting to top 3 in the bo3 ladder is insane

dense latch
short quiver
#

what is scald

lusty grail
#

hot water make pokemon burn

left bobcat
#

Run that fade

short quiver
#

sunlight would definitely make water hot wouldnt it?

left bobcat
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Hmmm can’t hot water also be relaxing

#

Oooo hear me out

short quiver
left bobcat
#

Scald should have a pollen puff like effect
Use scald on an ally and it heals and boost def or sp def

lusty grail
#

So no team ideas to pair with G-king?

left bobcat
lusty grail
short quiver
#

also no Scald wouldn’t be soothing Scald is a term to describe hot water past the point of comfort

dense latch
#

if it's a playthrough team then you can just do whatever

but if you're trying to play ranked battles (i'm guessing singles?) then the no legendaries won't get you far since the strongest mons are allowed rn

short quiver
#

something that is scalding hot is uncomfortably hot

lusty grail
short quiver
#

exactly 😀

lusty grail
#

The flaffy screaming in pain as the sinischa just smiles pleasantly

dense latch
left bobcat
#

Ooo an apple

short quiver
#

but yes, i think scald should just be a weaker hydro steam

left bobcat
#

It is a weaker hydro steam

#

Wait-

short quiver
#

its not boosted in sunlight

lusty grail
#

How about some kind of sacrificial move? Like you use it and it does some crazy effect but then randomly KO's another one of your own pokemon

left bobcat
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It’s a less refined version of hydro steam or something like that being able to be boosted in the sun

short quiver
left bobcat
#

I think it would’ve been too broken if it was a water type move to be boosted in both sun and rain and also cause burn status

lusty grail
short quiver
left bobcat
#

It does

#

Walking wake needs it anyways

short quiver
#

what a chance to burn?

left bobcat
#

Yes

short quiver
#

i mean it gets flamethrower

lusty grail
#

IDK how much extra help Walking Wake needs

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 1009: Walking Wake
Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/83/91/125/83/109

Total

590

left bobcat
tiny karmaBOT
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Walking Wake's moveset:
Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Facade, Fire Fang, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Outrage, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Chilling Water, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hydro Steam, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Scald, Snarl, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Hone Claws, Leer, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Walking Wake.

lusty grail
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Who would win, 1 walking wake or 25 snivy

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WW Lv 100

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Snivy LV 15

short quiver
left bobcat
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lusty grail
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Weatherball Victreebell is surprisingly good

short quiver
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weatherball in general is a really good move

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SCHYEAH

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Jumpluff's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bounce, Bullet Seed, Double-Edge, Endeavor, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Lunge, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Absorb, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball, Fairy Wind, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Pollen Puff, Round, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Cotton Guard, Cotton Spore, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Flash, Grassy Terrain, Growl, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Memento, Mimic, Poison Powder, Protect, Psych Up, Rage Powder, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Powder, Sleep Talk, Splash, Strength Sap, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Switcheroo, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Tail Whip, Tailwind, Toxic, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Jumpluff.

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lameeee

lusty grail
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Is there a move that scales damage on speed? Or is Body press the only move that scales with a different stat?

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im glad we dont have a speed scaling move

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Mmmmmmmmmmmm

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Or an attack scaling move DerpWhiscash

short quiver
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like tera blast and photon geyser

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There should be a body press for each stat

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Mental Slam: Scales with Special D

dense latch
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speed boosts mons effectively getting a +1 boost to attack every turn

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Running Kick: Scales with speed

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just the thought of eleki

foggy lodge
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scarf is now specs/band and scarf

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Blaziken in reg H is funny

cyan smelt
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i love using coaching blaziken

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it helps gambit snowball

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-Be forgotten
-People start labing with you
-Win a prestigious online tournament
-Do not elaborate and dissapear forever

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could you guys imagine the nightmare vgc would be if we had a Speed scaling Body Press? or an HP scaling one?

foggy lodge
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Yes that's why it doesn't exist

lusty grail
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How about a OHKO that only lovedisc gets just to be nice

short quiver
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terapagos would actually be relevant again 😨

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(with an hp scaling body press)

lusty grail
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50% accuracy and call it - pity party -

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lusty grail
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Maybe it fails if anyone else uses it?

short quiver
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they could ban it from being copied by sketch like Dark Void

lusty grail
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Dark times

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Poor darkrai bro

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its signature move got nerfed and it wasnt even his fault

lusty grail
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HOW ABOUT A DARK VOID FOR EVERY TYPE

short quiver
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please stop

lusty grail
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I guess dive and fly exist

short quiver
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i dont consent 😔

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lusty grail
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oh right I forgot it puts things to sleep

short quiver
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dark void was just a spread hypnosis

lusty grail
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Hot take: the top 10 meta pokemon should be banned each subsequent season so it's not the same teams for years

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Or just ban urshifu since I'm tired of it killing all my pokemon

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exactly that

lusty grail
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temporary solution to a permanent problem

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how do you 'un-power-creep' pokemon

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you cant 😭

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i mean you can

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but good luck

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me personally im still stuck in Hoenn

lusty grail
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I think I just like to use pokemon that I use in a playthrough so I tend to avoid restricteds

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Other hot take: paradox pokemon should be considered restricted and limited

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ehhhh

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i think they should have their OWN restriction

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seperate from the actual restricted legendaries

lusty grail
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fair

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so actual competitive question: is araquanid good

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it probably was in 2017

lusty grail
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dang

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in 2025, i sincerely doubt it

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ill look for you tho

lusty grail
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Ya smogon has it as NU

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i mean

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it gets used in vgc according to munchstats

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with a .35% usage rate

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which is um…..

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not good 👍🏻

lusty grail
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well better than 0 I suppose

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at least my G-king idea has some usage so I'm not a total dunce

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me who used Meowscarada in Reg J

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(please do not try it)

thorn sierra
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Is there truly no way to build a decent team without the same 10 pokemon?? JigglypuffMAD

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like we get it, urshifu, incineroar, flutter mane and bloodmoon are good - but they are simply TOO good

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ngl i feel like national dex is more balanced than vgc

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bring whirlwind or haze and you'll literally be fineee

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roar crying in a corner

thorn sierra
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idk arcanine roared me one too many times i felt the ick

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the only ick is toxic stall 🥀

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hey my bronzong was putting in work with nightshade 💔

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50 damage

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bronzong my goat

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heatproof is so clutch i dont have to be weak to fire

short quiver
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doesnt bronzong get levitate

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Pokémon No. 437: Bronzong
Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Levitate, Heatproof, Heavy Metal (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

67/89/116/79/116/33

Total

500

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yeah

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i more often see fire though idk

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in nat dex atleast

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interesting

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ground types are common but they're like one per team usually, so if i switch in clefairy i can usually guarantee tr being set up regardless

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friend guard

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ngl i ran comfey for a long while but he felt like he wasnt doing much exept healbotting

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thats kinda what comfey is meant to do

thorn sierra
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yeah but that didnt work in my team

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so clefairy with toxic follow me and life dew

cyan smelt
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why do people still use muk smeargle

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for fun

cyan smelt
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how are 20+ turn games fun

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i tried it once and you're so vulnerable to bad rng

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or if they for some reason have moves that dont miss

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then what

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or what if they have body slam

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then your cooked 😀

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theres a few moves that deal double damage after minimize isnt there?

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roar moves are infinite accuracy right?

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Move: Roar

The target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. Fails if the target is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party, or if the target used Ingrain previously or has the Suction Cups Ability.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

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why do fat pokemon like hippowdon and clodsire get whirlwind

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do they fart or something

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cuz they can make whirlwinds of sand maybe?

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clodsire's more of a muddy ground type though i feel

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Filters
  • Learns Whirlwind
Results (75)

Butterfree, Butterfree-Gmax, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Pidgeot-Mega, Spearow, Fearow, Zubat, Golbat, Venomoth, Farfetch’d, Doduo, Dodrio, Aerodactyl, Aerodactyl-Mega, Snorlax, Snorlax-Gmax, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Crobat, Yanma, Murkrow, Skarmory, Skarmory-Mega, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Beautifly, Dustox, Shiftry, Taillow, Swellow, Masquerain, Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Spoink, Grumpig, Tropius, Starly, Staravia, Staraptor, Cranidos, Rampardos, Honchkrow, Munchlax, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Skorupi, Drapion, Yanmega, Sigilyph, Rufflet, Braviary, Braviary-Hisui, Vullaby, Mandibuzz, Volcarona, Noibat, Noivern, Tapu Bulu, Cufant, Copperajah, Copperajah-Gmax, Bombirdier, Slither Wing, Iron Hands, Iron Moth, Ting-Lu

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

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yeah i understand most of this list

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only one i DONT understand is Rampardos

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i think copperajah should have had Roar not Whirlwind

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cuz like it could roar with its trunk or smthn

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randbats sucks

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L Charizard it doesnt learn tailwind

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Pokémon No. 6: Charizard
Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/84/78/109/85/100

Total

534

Other Formes

Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y

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Charizard's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Beat Up, Bide, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Outrage, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Scratch, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Skull Bash, Sky Drop, Slash, Steel Wing, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Punch, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blast Burn, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Echoed Voice, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flame Burst, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Inferno, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Ominous Wind, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Belly Drum, Block, Captivate, Celebrate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Hone Claws, Howl, Leer, Mimic, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Charizard.

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it does

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pokemondb lied to me

solid frigate
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I’m 90% sure you are choosing the time to be blind

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no think only chomp

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And with 60% chance of using only rely on one source

dense latch
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zard only learns tailwind in earlier gens

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so i am right

dense latch
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yes

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solid frigate
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Charizard's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Slash, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Punch

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blast Burn, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Inferno, Overheat, Scorching Sands, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Belly Drum, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Roar, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Charizard.

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but im right

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charizard doesnt have tailwind.

solid frigate
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You’re stimky

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That’s why

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no think only chomp

solid frigate
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Anyways here’s a meme of Croissant curry

short quiver
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lore accurate Naveen

solid frigate
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I don’t think it’s just taste issue

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It’s basically the logic behind the dish

short quiver
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he actually said why he didnt like it

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he liked the items seperately he just didnt appreciate them mixed together

solid frigate
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I played the game I know that

But my standpoint it’s the Logic behind the dish’s design

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Like are you dipping the croissants into the curry sauce? Is there Rice in this? Cuz there is no way the are replacing Meat with Croissants

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Or Vegetables if you are Vegan but that’s just whatever

short quiver
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id like to try a vegetable curry

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im not vegetarian but i do like veggies

solid frigate
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It doesn’t feel the same as normal curry but it’s fine

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Better than the logic behind croissant Curry at least

short quiver
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Urbaine/Taunie is not cooking 🥀 (pun intended)

solid frigate
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I’m just naming them Nemona 2

short quiver
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me and my Mawile, Dexio

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Can't wait for mega skarmory to get sharpness

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Just for night slash and nothing else

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blaziken + gambit is such a good lead for me holy shit

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chat what game was Peli given drizzle

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i thought it was alola but im searching for mons for a eam in my oras play throughs and it says peli has it in ORAS

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i must be tweaking

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so im not tweaking

real prairie
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that would be google

real prairie
short quiver
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yeah

real prairie
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Yeah that has a habit of being a tweak

short quiver
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i KNEW i wasnt crazy 😭

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so in oras all i got for rain is a hidden ability politoed (somehow), kyogre or manual rain