competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

If it works, it works.

[shadow wind]

See it's weird cause you want to make content you'd watch

[real prairie]

being 1 of a biliion instead of 1 in a billion sounds like a good reason for an identity crisis tbh

[shadow wind]

But I doubt any of the super successful youtubers watch any of their videos outside of trying to make the videos better

[real prairie]

most dont even watch youtube at all anymore

[foggy lodge]

I like those videos where you can do like

[real prairie]

they see it as a space to create not consume

[foggy lodge]

A rabbit hole

[shadow wind]

Emplemon is my goat

I love video essays

[foggy lodge]

I talked with a friend at some point cuz I had an idea of talking about Pokémon crossovers with other series and like doing a compilation talking about all of them and explaining super niche details

But they didn't have enough crossovers or collabs to do that kind of rabbit hole

[shadow wind]

But those kind of rabbit hole inspiring videos are some of the hardest to produce

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but they are fun

I also would like to do VGC content

[real prairie]

i spent 3 hours watching the lore of ZA the other day lol

[foggy lodge]

I knew a youtuber that made videos analyzing team compositions and trying to explain them for players, it was mostly to explain to new players

[shadow wind]

The average person would rather make a 100 days minecraft challenge video that takes probably a week to produce than a rabbit hole video that takes 2 months to produce

[foggy lodge]

And I wanted to do that but I'm just not good enough to do that

[shadow wind]

VGC content is in a drought currently

I haven't watched real VGC content other than the WDL in like months

[stone trellis]

I'm a pretty average person and I've been putting myself through around 10 months of absolute hell (unknowingly until the last 2) for a challenge.

[real prairie]

its because you literally cant record videos playing with teams in the current format

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's the worst part

You can't even do a "run to top 10 in cart ladder" anymore

[stone trellis]

That kind of sucks for Reg H players, yeah.

[real prairie]

I was at least streming 3 times a week when i could ladder climb with Ludicolo, that was my VGC niche, but like no one wants to watch Reg J

[shadow wind]

So these 2 images are the last 8 videos from 2 creators

Pretty obvious to me who they are but if you had no clue who they were it would appear that VGC is super in a drought while singles content is still doing nuymbers

Not the greatest examples because of difference in subs but I think the point still stands

[foggy lodge]

Holy shit 50k views just by talking about mega star

[shadow wind]

There's nothing to do in VGC right now other than use featured teams

[real prairie]

https://youtu.be/1zjoqRVywOU?si=eEIBdy7ZJ34XCvv6

Just incase anyone else was interested too lol thats a hell of a rabbit hole

[real prairie]

and even then, they aren't "VGC"

[foggy lodge]

Legends will be the first time pokemon games have continuity in the story

[real prairie]

because they are reg J

[shadow wind]

Yup

[real prairie]

erm, not really.

[foggy lodge]

TPCi just killed VGC

Ughhh release champions

[foggy lodge]

Nah

Well BW had

Sun and moon maybe?

[real prairie]

sun & moon had tones of returning NPCs with new backstories

[shadow wind]

Nothing in pokemon has ever had continuity

[foggy lodge]

But something I've always wanted for Pokemon is to have some story to follow throughout different games instead of just random references

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah if they made the series like a tv show it would be awesome

But it's intimidating if you don't know any lore and SV were your first games

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I can see that

[real prairie]

there is a general lore that is followed throughout, you just happen to play each protagonist of each bit of lore

[shadow wind]

So they go with the easy money making formula of every standalone game

[foggy lodge]

So I'm all on it for the Legends series to be that kind of style

Where every game has different protagonists and different stories but there's like a bigger story you can follow

Not direct sequels you know more like a Dragon Quest thing

[shadow wind]

Or Final Fantasy

[real prairie]

thats always been the case with Pokemon, its always had a deeper lore to follow. its just more subtle

[shadow wind]

Or is Final Fantasy just like completely different universes following a formula

I've only ever played 7 so lowkey I have no clue

[foggy lodge]

Afaik all the "protagonists" change but this like god things stay in most of the games

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but that's just lore

[real prairie]

im keen to find out what split the pokemon timeline still and how that wrap that all back up with Megas

[foggy lodge]

Like yes you can see things from past games and I like them

[real prairie]

i thought ZA was going to explain it but hasn't (yet)

[foggy lodge]

Sun and Moon had a super interesting addition with Red and Blue and the Oak cousin

But they could have done more you know

[shadow wind]

Bro forgot about the Ultra Dimension too

[real prairie]

the lore behind cynthia is probably the most pokemon has gone across games

[shadow wind]

I would say that's like the biggest part of those games

[foggy lodge]

I never played it sorry LOL

[shadow wind]

🥀

I loved the Alola games

If I wasn't a Gen 6 glazer those would be my favourite pokemon games

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but see those games did more with the story of past games

[real prairie]

DPP, BW, SM, PLA, ZA - Cynthia or some reference of her has now appeared in at least 5 generations

[shadow wind]

They also just had good stories imo

[real prairie]

oh wait shes in XY too right? so 6 gens

[foggy lodge]

From what I've heard USUM ruined the og sun and moon story

[shadow wind]

Wow

I really enjoyed the ultra games

I haven't played every pokemon game but from the ones I've played I liked how the Ultra games handled everything the most

[foggy lodge]

btw shadow ball P2 has a chance on this meta

just saying this to keep the comp chat name

[shadow wind]

I've played Gen 5 and up missing B2W2

[shadow wind]

What tera?

Electric or fighting?

[foggy lodge]

Fairy

[shadow wind]

Curveball

[foggy lodge]

But you could go ghost shadow ball

[shadow wind]

Nah that seems like a waste

[foggy lodge]

Tera fairy is good for a meta without fairies and dragons have been doing fine

And shadow ball lets you hit dengo

[shadow wind]

Normal types get the gross advantage of stab tera blast

[foggy lodge]

Basically bulky flutter mane

[shadow wind]

True

[foggy lodge]

Dawei used that P2 set but with trace

[shadow wind]

Trace is interesting

[foggy lodge]

Trace is so funny man but its so inconsistent

[shadow wind]

Lots of good abilities to trace

[foggy lodge]

Throwing trace P2 into Incin Gambit has a 50/50 chance of winning or losing you the game on the spot

[shadow wind]

Multiscale, intimidate, Good as Gold

[foggy lodge]

Well its not even winning I'm lying

50% of losing on the spot

[foggy lodge]

Yeah good as gold is broken

Stamina P2🔥

[shadow wind]

Nasty

Man why doesn't LZA OU have any sample teams 😔

I need sample teams in singles

Can't team build for my life

Some of these are so stupid

I might have to become a singles player

Entering my singles player arc

[foggy lodge]

We have to become singles players

[shadow wind]

This is true

[dense latch]

levitate delphox 😭

[shadow wind]

Hey they nerfed Mege Meganium

What happened to triage bro

[dense latch]

makes sense design wise but rip eforce

[shadow wind]

They cooked that mon

https://pokepast.es/4fff0b4b6de48648

What a terrible looking team

Do NOT let me team build for singles every again

[shadow wind]

If you want an eforced just use the Zam

[real prairie]

Thoughts peeps, A or B

[dense latch]

A imo

[bold geode]

Why the fuck Audino in there

Audino ain't new LMAO

[shadow wind]

For fun

[real prairie]

someone suggested Mega Skarmory might get "Good as Gold" lol

also, would strong jaw not make sense for Faraligatr?

[forest arrow]

I thought of possible armor tail pre release

For feraligatr

[lofty tartan]

Quite a few of these are so stupid

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah those

pure power starmie seems assured though

[molten oasis]

Damn

The bellsprout is getting to you huh

[craggy dagger]

huge power and pure power pokemons in lza got a bit of an inflated stat boost
(medicham and mawile)

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

Brass bond is cracked what

[craggy dagger]

its just stronger parental bond
but these are just
fan made abilities lol

[shadow wind]

Ion battery is cooked

[craggy dagger]

no weakness elektross

[mighty stump]

is this what OU decided

Supreme Overload Emboar kinda cracked wtf HAHAHA

[shadow wind]

I’m not sure how they decided it but whoever did is wilding

[shadow wind]

No weakness + free specs

I’ve been playing some of the OU and I think these megas have way more potential in VGC

Most of them are feeling kinda meh in singles

Obviously their abilities aren’t real but I feel like I’d rather use way different mons

[tiny karma]

Ability: Plus

If an active ally has this Ability or the Minus Ability, this Pokemon's Special Attack is multiplied by 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[molten oasis]

Huh

[shadow wind]

So it has plus AND minus

So it gets the 1.5x and would give that to any parter with either ability

Too bad it’s fanmade 🥀

I wonder what abilities all the new megas will get

Also if mega Gallade doesn’t get sharpness it’s over for him

[molten oasis]

Makes sense honestly

Mega eelektross has the other duplicates of itself and it’s mouths make + and -

[shadow wind]

Yeah looking at the design it really does

[molten oasis]

It’s broken

Built in specs, but it’s cool

[shadow wind]

I’m just so happy Tera is leaving my mind

[bold geode]

Why Audino in there LOL

[bold geode]

Hello in the comp chat stimky

[craggy dagger]

where did u put my shiny dratini

[bold geode]

Well....
You take a bottle
Becomes a glass.....

I'm taking it away until you shower

[craggy dagger]

GIMMEE
idk why i have to spend over 130 hours looking

[craggy dagger]

i already did 😭

[bold geode]

No punchies

[craggy dagger]

you took my noodlrys

[bold geode]

Fine
You can have mega Malamar

[craggy dagger]

im wasting away in my bed rn resttting for this

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

We should totally VC and waste away together

[bold geode]

YEAH I GOT IT TOO NOW WHATCHU GONNA DO

[craggy dagger]

when tf did u get that

[bold geode]

I totally didn't join the server just now to get that

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

Where can I do the LZA OU format?

I don’t see it

[bold geode]

No clue

[molten oasis]

Legendary picture am I right

[upper zealot]

the avengers have almost been assembled (im trading this bloodmoon for a 0 attack one)

and dont mind ditto

[upper zealot]

he’s just chilling

[shadow wind]

Pet mods

[bold geode]

Real

[shadow wind]

2nd column at the bottom

[molten oasis]

2 oranguru teams in a row wow

[shadow wind]

Why is mega heracross the goat

[foggy lodge]

How do we think Marco will do at Lille

I think he makes it to finals

[craggy dagger]

we should

[knotty mirage]

So uh i have question for anyone who have experience on ZA ranked is it true that using alpha pokemon makes you at disadvantage because of the bigger hitbox ?

[shadow wind]

#lza_competitive might be a better place to ask

[real prairie]

A shock to no one

[knotty mirage]

Aight

[molten oasis]

[waxen dock]

The volc uaage is higher than i expected

But other than that nothing really suprises me

[real prairie]

Its a shoehorn fix to A9 balance, it'll drop off day 2

[waxen dock]

Wdym?

[real prairie]

It's a decent counter into half of the A9 balance team, people are shoehorning it into teams as a makeshift fix

[waxen dock]

Oh

[real prairie]

That was brutal

[foggy lodge]

Nah

It's the new variant of the GC team

Because its just generally good and it helps in the mirror

The other variant also uses scarf Basc

[bold geode]

Nice play from Filipe

HOW TF DID DYL WIN

@foggy lodge did they never set TW?

[foggy lodge]

Idk

I don't remember

I was playing while they sere playing lol

I lost to a tera ghost sash hatterene

Because I fake outed it it ripped off tera ghost and then when I thought I could kill it with dengo oh its sash

And I still could have won but Torkoal critted my blursa

I hate bo1 with all my soul I can't wait for tera to be gone

[bold geode]

Fuck you, here's Wonderwall

OFOMEZIE
HOW MANY AMERICANS ARE HERE

[foggy lodge]

Joey didn't go?

[bold geode]

That's a good amount

[foggy lodge]

I thought he was going

Zeen's team

I liked the choice band dnite with whimsicott team💔

[next stump]

what else did they have? I ran that team at pitt maybe

it is a lot of fun but felt like it couldnt keep up with the meta

[foggy lodge]

Scarf basc mirror herb incin pop bomb maushold

And I forgot the 6th one maybe it was dengo

Or lorb blursa

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge bro wtf is Jakob's team LOL

[foggy lodge]

It is a team

[bold geode]

Specs Protect Weezing

Surf Press Maus

Jakob took over Game 1 there

?

Oh I see

Smart

Yikes

Great adjustment from Ofomezie so far

Can't even E Shot Blursa

[foggy lodge]

Blood moon was troll here right

Because if Jakob teras then you have blood moon mir later

[bold geode]

Why we going Weezing Toedscruel

[foggy lodge]

Idk

Ig its archa in the back

[bold geode]

Did Weezing just fucking die

[foggy lodge]

Weezing Toedscruel is the drugs combo

[bold geode]

I'm dead bro

[foggy lodge]

Vaping and consuming mushrooms

[bold geode]

Weezing fucking died

[bold geode]

Smoking pipe and consuming shrooms

[foggy lodge]

Oh this Toedscruel is bullet seed lmao

Wait bloodmoon wins

If nothing funny happens with hurricane Ofomezie wins

[bold geode]

Nah Toedscruel wins trust

[foggy lodge]

IT LIVES

[bold geode]

AV Ursa fucking sucks holy shit

[foggy lodge]

💔

[bold geode]

I think the Weezing Toedscruel bring was a bit weird

@foggy lodge LELE DROPPED LELE

ALSO IS THAT A FUCKING DASCHBUN

[foggy lodge]

Its the team I told you

Its scarf Ninetales

Flamigo is the call

[bold geode]

What? No
No

[dense latch]

we’re getting oricorio golduck on stream again

[bold geode]

FUCK

I wanted to see Daschbun

Garchomp
Big

[foggy lodge]

Why is Golduck here

Mirror herb Incin❤️

The best Incin

Where is Flamigo actually

Flamigo Chomp seems super oppresive for this team

omfg GOLDUCK WINS

Its muddy water air slash

And you cover everything

Lele needs a miss

[polar canyon]

So how's the thing going

[bold geode]

Bro
Tera Ice Ice Beam Golduck

[polar canyon]

What is reg h even about

[bold geode]

Batshit

[foggy lodge]

Edu Cunha 7-1

Smeargle is back at it

https://tenor.com/view/smeargle-no-nono-pokemon-shake-head-gif-24922285

[knotty mirage]

Okay i just tried pushing on PLZA ranked is not that bad but yeah this feel more like party games

[foggy lodge]

Lmao Edu is just running the GC team but Smeargle over Ninetales

Its fake out spore follow me wide guard Smeargle

Very good to force 50/50s into gholdengo and you can wall it with wide guard

[stone trellis]

The 2022 Worlds winner?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[foggy lodge]

DAMN THE DOUBLE UP

Jmo can win this tournament

He is going crazy rn

Switch to a9 protect and you win

[bold geode]

What?

What's going on I thought the tour was over

[foggy lodge]

They are playing 2 rounds from day 2 today

[bold geode]

?

That's weird

Yeah so we're gonna play Day 2 on Day 1 now

[foggy lodge]

Kommo-O Ribombee

Incin Dengo really can make almost everything work

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2468584829

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2468586823-pd815ohwedu0p09015ym63x00ywt77ipw

[fathom geyser]

Is reg j the current primary ruleset?

I'm a bit confused for which regulation I should build rn

[foggy lodge]

Reg J is for ladder reg H is for tournaments

So reg H is the real VGC format rn but if you only play ladder then you would have to reg J

[fathom geyser]

That's a mess

Lmao

[dense latch]

if you want to compete in irl tournaments then reg h

if not then it’s up to what format you prefer

[fathom geyser]

I tend to just play the format that's played at tournament in case I happen to have time when a local is available to me

What's the defacto best leech seed bot in reg H, my boy wo chien is AWOL. I don't want to rely on spamming palafin and making reads again.

[dense latch]

leech seed is basically non-existent

[fathom geyser]

Sadge

[real prairie]

You could probably have some fun with Harvest Sitrus berry Leech Seed Exeggutor in a Sun/Psyspam team

hard TR with Torkoal

@shadow wind 3 pages deep into the script for my video, gonna think about oursourcing the editing once the script is done

[shadow wind]

That’s fire

Although personally I find editing to be the most fun part of making a video

[real prairie]

Wanna edit mine? 🤣

[shadow wind]

Nah cause I’m ok when I post a video I know I edited badly, I couldn’t in good faith let someone upload something I know I edited badly

Wait is double shock goated

Why am I just now coming to this realization

Especially with Tera electric

[foggy lodge]

Excuse me

[shadow wind]

That's fire

[foggy lodge]

omg its tailwind smeargle

Edu actually cooked with this team

[shadow wind]

Triple fake out brainrot

[foggy lodge]

My favourite brainrot

[shadow wind]

Now hear me out

What if we gave iron hands double shock

Just a thought

[molten oasis]

Eww what

[shadow wind]

Ok why are Ursaluna running tera Electric

I never understood

[real prairie]

neutral damage from most things and resistance to make it rain

[molten oasis]

I SAW THAT TEAM

I beat it but it’s kinda sick

[shadow wind]

Hmm

[foggy lodge]

I lost to Sylveon

Because they were tera steel and ran psychic

So I didn't kill it and my Sneasler died

Delete tera

[real prairie]

Not something I'd have considered but it worked well enough to win a regional

[shadow wind]

I just feel like it could've been a lot of other things

[foggy lodge]

Its for Archaludon and Dengo

[real prairie]

Think it just likes the staying power of electric

[foggy lodge]

And it isn't weak to grass like water

[molten oasis]

lol

[shadow wind]

Fair enough

[real prairie]

With it's decent bulk I'm surprised there aren't more tera electric Hydreigon floating around

[foggy lodge]

Using mons with X4 weaknesses feels so bad in bo1

[shadow wind]

I just found an old team of mine

[foggy lodge]

Happened to me with Gambit too I couldn't ever send Gambit because every mon for some reason was tera fighting tera blast

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/51a06a37e5717c46

[shadow wind]

Floating around...

[foggy lodge]

It looks kinda similar to the new TR version lol

[shadow wind]

It's from old Reg H

[real prairie]

Erm

[shadow wind]

The first draft apparently had espathra 😭

[real prairie]

Glad you picked up on that

[real prairie]

Tera dragon ursaluna has me wild, shocked it doesn't have outrage to round it off

[shadow wind]

I think for the rest of Reg H I might just play old teams from Reg H1

[foggy lodge]

And yes this team is becoming popular

[real prairie]

Aren't we in reg H3 now? Lol

Feels like it

[shadow wind]

Nah

[shadow wind]

I'm just an innovator

[foggy lodge]

If the GC team wins again is this officially the worst meta of SV

[real prairie]

It's the team the American is running in Lille

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[fathom geyser]

What's a mon that takes advantage of weakened opponents in order to snowball on it's own or snowball if left unchecked, the ones I could think of do not really fit the rest of the team or I struggle to make use of (TatsuDozo)

https://pokepast.es/6fd266e9ae57ae5f

[foggy lodge]

Brian Collins used it at Pittsburgh but the team was created by another person

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex shadow rider

/jk

[fathom geyser]

I used that thing for that exact reason when it was legal lmao

[foggy lodge]

Why Dusclops and Toxapex?

[fathom geyser]

Never worked in practice, used Lunala instead

[fathom geyser]

Fun :)

[foggy lodge]

Stall Toxapex is lowkey just a worse version of Weezing

[real prairie]

Surely if you are running dusclops you run redirection and sitrus berry curse if you want to force chip damage

[fathom geyser]

I thought about it

[real prairie]

But if you generally want a trap team there's a sand tomb + salt cure team that's popular

Well, as popular as trap teams go

[fathom geyser]

I wanna use Toxapex :(

[foggy lodge]

Toxapex just suffers of the problem of

[fathom geyser]

Also not really the advice I asked for, I know what I am building isn't good lol

[foggy lodge]

Being a dead weight most of the time cuz it doesn't put any real pressure

Even worse in a format where steel types are some of the best

[fathom geyser]

I know, I have experienced it several times.

[dense latch]

all my friends are dead syndrome :(

[fathom geyser]

I brought Wo-chien + Toxapex stall to locals several times

[foggy lodge]

Idk how someone could take using that at a tournament ngl LOL

You have so much patience

[real prairie]

Venoshock could work well if you are trying to inflict poison. Power herb, meteor beam, venoshock, mortal spin glimmora might work 🤷🏼‍♂️

[fathom geyser]

I am not patient at all, I just like Toxapex and Wo-chien

[foggy lodge]

Tho I'm a fan of the lefties bot Blursa and leech seed CIR

Maybe everyone likes stall in a different way

[dense latch]

lefties blursa my goat

[foggy lodge]

Leech seed CIR❤️

[real prairie]

Or poison touch dire claw Sneasler too

[fathom geyser]

The suggestion that stall is a spectrum is horrifying

[dense latch]

protect bloodmoon protect suddenly we're back to full :)))

[foggy lodge]

But I prefer the lefties Blursa

[fathom geyser]

I can't spell to save my life

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[dense latch]

yawn is such an amazing move too

it's a whole new endgame wincon you get

[foggy lodge]

We saw on stream a blursa take a life orb mir and in 2 turns it was almost back to full hp

We love it here

[fathom geyser]

Do I just slap on kingambit and call it a day?

[dense latch]

was that juanma odriozola's set or some other one

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/757fdabc3e15964b

[real prairie]

If you are gonna run toxapex, maybe drop acid spray for wide guard so it has a purpose to its partner

[foggy lodge]

Actually I could see Dozo being slapped over Blursa on the GC team cuz of unaware

[shadow wind]

I think I need to delete that team document

[foggy lodge]

Helps in the mirror

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I think it was JMO

[fathom geyser]

I am sick of seeing the wideguard animation

[shadow wind]

I'm looking for gold and finding coal

[real prairie]

Is perrseker in this game?

[shadow wind]

Yea

[dense latch]

that set was so good

[fathom geyser]

We love Perrserker in this household

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[dense latch]

back to back masterclasses g1 and g2

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 863: Perrserker

Type

Steel

Abilities

Battle Armor, Tough Claws, Steely Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/100/50/60/50

Total

440

Sableye version 4.29.0

[shadow wind]

The entire pokemon is the hidden ability

Oh and fake out I guess

[dense latch]

440 bst as a 2nd stage is tragic

[fathom geyser]

Galarian Meowth being a reward for finishing the school was a form of torture before home support

[tiny karma]

Ability: Steely Spirit

This Pokemon and its allies' Steel-type moves have their power multiplied by 1.5. This affects Doom Desire even if the user is not on the field.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[real prairie]

Damn!

[foggy lodge]

Actually why was Blursa used over Dozo on the GC team

[real prairie]

Suddenly technician bullet punch scizor is WILD

[foggy lodge]

Ig offensive coverage

[shadow wind]

90 BP prio move

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it has to be the ground coverage

[real prairie]

Mad multipliers

[fathom geyser]

Which team

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah

[fathom geyser]

Balatro builds make me happy

[foggy lodge]

Incin rilla sneasler gholdengo ursa bloodmoon alolan ninetales

[real prairie]

A9 balance

Eww

[foggy lodge]

Grassy seed tera flying acrobatics sneasler btw

[dense latch]

a9 balance
:)

[bold geode]

Bad team ngl

[foggy lodge]

I just call it the GC team cuz that's how I discovered it

[foggy lodge]

Only 2 tournament wins damn shit is washed

[fathom geyser]

What's the funniest Sweeper?

[dense latch]

probably oricorio in that one team

[fathom geyser]

Standalone

[dense latch]

that set was a hard watch

[foggy lodge]

We saw Oricorio two times on different stream

[real prairie]

Dudunsparce

[foggy lodge]

Oricorio at +3 didn't kill a Sneasler💔

[fathom geyser]

I must say that I am excited about sneasler stocks going up again.

[foggy lodge]

I'm not

[dense latch]

i dont think they were ever down

[real prairie]

Were they ever down?

[bold geode]

The Sneasler stocks never left

[foggy lodge]

Well I tolerate it now because most are acrobatics

[fathom geyser]

The sneed runs the show and I am all for it

[foggy lodge]

But I don't like it

[dense latch]

unless you're talking from regulation to regulation

[real prairie]

I can deal with the sneasler, it's the rillaboom in A9 balance that murders my team

[dense latch]

indeedee sneasler is dying and i'm all for it

[foggy lodge]

And dire claw is still one of the worst moves designed in the story of the game

There's a reason that mon was instabanned from OU

[fathom geyser]

Hitting sleep on every dire claw in a match will change your mind

[foggy lodge]

It won't because I AM THE ONE GETTING SLEPT

[fathom geyser]

Have you tried hitting the sneed slot machine before?

[shadow wind]

You can't tell me this ain't fire

[fathom geyser]

It is fire

[foggy lodge]

Can't wait for the YT shorts videos about "did you know this move was so toxic it was nerfed"

[fathom geyser]

I hope they buff it

[foggy lodge]

I hope they delete it

[fathom geyser]

Let the sneed be Incin's new best buddy

[foggy lodge]

Its just such an uncompetitive move

[fathom geyser]

Also I am calling incin getting buffed once again

[dense latch]

if i win a game solely off a dire claw sleep it's not even rewarding

i might find it funny but it really doesn't help

[foggy lodge]

Worst part is that

If you hax someone with dire claw or freezes it really doesn't feel like you deserved the win lol

[fathom geyser]

Maybe I am just a dormant gambling addict but I will not accept the sneed slander

[foggy lodge]

It just makes you feel numb

[shadow wind]

How is rain not the #1 used archetype

[foggy lodge]

Is it even gambling when you really don't lose anything by clicking dire claw

[fathom geyser]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Pelipper + Archaludon + Bascu seems so oppressive

[fathom geyser]

Add palafin and I like you

[foggy lodge]

balance became better and has a good MU into it

[dense latch]

a9 being so popular doesn't help

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[dense latch]

it's still strong but balance kinda clears as an archetype rn

[foggy lodge]

The new teams are running Volc Basc so it may help a bit for it

Tho Volc is a pick against rain with tera fairy

[shadow wind]

Those 3 just seem so strong

Mainly Bascu + Arch

[dense latch]

love doing this until their arch crits flash cannon off the rip

[fathom geyser]

I'll just add swords dance defensive sneed, I still think about losing to defensive AV Urshifu and I want to spread the love.

[shadow wind]

🤪

[fathom geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-hologram-my-beloved-poker-gif-3509748949215308545

[foggy lodge]

AV Urshifu what

[fathom geyser]

0 attack investment AV urshifu on ladder. That thing destroyed me.

[foggy lodge]

💔

[dense latch]

i think i might've seen that in like
an early version of a 2024 worlds team

[fathom geyser]

It refused to die

[dense latch]

that's it tho

[foggy lodge]

I think people tried to make it work when Urshifu was first released in sw/sh

Cuz like oh see it has good stats on everything except spd lets slap av

But then people realized it was just suboptimal

[dense latch]

iron hands foreshadowing

[fathom geyser]

I ran into it during double restricted and got wobbled by it

[dense latch]

except it was actually good there

[fathom geyser]

I love Leftover swordsdance Iron hands so much

[foggy lodge]

I tried electric seed swords dance hands

[fathom geyser]

Bad

Just let it not die by treating it like a restricted Ig

And drainpunch

A lot

[foggy lodge]

Drain punch recovery was enough tbh

And it had Incin and light screen whimsicott for defensive support

[dense latch]

iirc wolfe brought leftovers swords dance to a 2023 regional as an answer to dozo

i don't see it being that strong in higher power formats though

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[fathom geyser]

I won a singular game in low ranks so clearly, it must be good.

[dense latch]

ok fair point

[fathom geyser]

Defensive sneed did not work out in the slightest

It got clapped immediately

[foggy lodge]

lol

The only "defensive" sneasler that works are the grassy seed swords dance ones

Cuz the defense boost can be a bit clutch sometimes

[fathom geyser]

I really should just throw in a calm mind set up creature, there's nothing taking advantage of acid spray on toxapex

[dense latch]

i'd do bloodmoon ursaluna

you can make it slightly faster than toxapex so you can acid spray then immediately attack with it under trick room

[fathom geyser]

True

[foggy lodge]

Prim also gets calm mind ig but I don't think it is good enough with calm mind

[fathom geyser]

I tried calm mind prim before during the first time we played under sneadlas domain

Did not work in the slightest

[dense latch]

i don't think you want any set up in a very trick room centric team

i'd rather have immediate offense to make the most out of your tr turns

[foggy lodge]

Yeah hard TR basically has to be HO

[fathom geyser]

The team doesn't have any speed control or other way to take advantage of it anyway. So just letting some creature hit new levels of enlightenment on the field seems more appealing

[solid frigate]

What did miss Erik and Max

[foggy lodge]

But honestly like

[solid frigate]

Yeah no unless you play Tailroom

Hard TR requires massive amount of Offense

[foggy lodge]

The obvious best spa set up mon on this format is dengo

[solid frigate]

And that’s it

Unless you want to torture yourself on playing Nasty Plot Hydreigon

[foggy lodge]

No❤️

[solid frigate]

That’s why I say torture yourself lmao

[foggy lodge]

QD Volc is also a good set up one

I would say there's
Nasty plot dengo
QD Volc
Calm Mind Blursa

[dense latch]

u didnt miss too much
unused mon team talk

[solid frigate]

Did we even see CM Blursa even exist-

[foggy lodge]

You won't believe this

Why does sneasler get calm mind wtf

I get that it gets nasty plot this mon is evil

But why calm mind i don't see it being a peaceful creature

[solid frigate]

Because he’s gonna calm his mind on what status move he’s gonna fuck people over

[fathom geyser]

Torture myself you say?

[foggy lodge]

Remember when AV Hydreigon was used

[dense latch]

hydreigon won dortmund iirc idk what set it was tho

[foggy lodge]

Specs

W tera fire and sunny day whimsicott for heat wave

[dense latch]

i used hydreigon for a bit

[dense latch]

this was deadly

[foggy lodge]

Fr

Sunny day + hydreigon cooked rain so hard

[dense latch]

beta zard

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah that

Now I remember

[foggy lodge]

I think heat wave is suboptimal rn but the mon can work

[fathom geyser]

I'll try set up bloodmoon and concede the snissler slot for decorate smeargle or something.

[solid frigate]

Tbf Nothing’s wrong with a spread move for Hydreigon so I can see why

[molten oasis]

CM Blursa you say

[spark delta]

anybody know what defensive nature and moveset would be best for a competitive seismitoad? I already have the offensive ones in terms for adamant and modest for swift swim now I need the defensive

[dense latch]

for what game/format? im pretty sure it's not in scarlet and violet

[spark delta]

sword shield the second to last

if i dont use swift swim and use water absorb for competitive would bold be best or would relaxed be better

cause im thinking relaxed because your gibing up speed anyhow

if you dont use swift swim

[dense latch]

swsh competitive is probably dead af and seismitoad has never been especially good competitively so i doubt many ppl can help

what's the moveset

[spark delta]

well definitely stealth rock and toxic maybe protect and scald

[dense latch]

max out hp for sure then ig the def/spdef ev's just come down to what's in the meta you're playing

[spark delta]

the goal is to chip away damage using toxic and if they switch stealth rock will damage whatever pokemon they swap for

[fathom geyser]

If you're looking for specialized sets, calculate what common stuff you want it to survive and adjust from there. If the role it plays is to just set up hazards and click toxic I think the last stage of mudkip filled that niche better in gen 8 singles (I am assuming that's the format)

[shadow wind]

Genuinely how is this team not just everywhere

[fathom geyser]

If I remember correctly

[fathom geyser]

They need to play the frog for aesthetic reasons.

[shadow wind]

And get hit by EQ?

[spark delta]

wait a minute maybe i shouldnt focus on defensive after all seismitoad is more offensive

with moves like earthquake, drain punch, liquidation, sludge bomb, focus blast, earth power, power whip, ice punch, poison jab

quagsire is the better of the two

for defensive i think

man some pokemon can be confusing determining natures and others are easier right off the bat

[short quiver]

back when it existed still would Primarina ever use Hidden Power-Fire?

[steep charm]

mayb?

idk

[dense latch]

probably wasn't used much if at all in gen 7 at the highest level
by the time it got liquid voice it was outclassed by tapu fini

and i doubt it used hidden power fire

afaik hp was tech for quad weak mons like lando-t bc otherwise it just does very little damage

[short quiver]

im playing through USUM qnd my brionnes HP type is fire

[dense latch]

you can probably use physical primarina in a casual playthrough and still manage

you can def use HP fire

[short quiver]

aqua jet 😁

my brionne has aqua jet water gun icy wind hp-fire

im cooking

(i dont have any better options im using what i got)

whats funny is im not even using my starter

i caught a mawile in 10 carat hill and its just soloing the game

and for anyone wondering yes this conversation is very competitive 😁

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Weavile and Smeargle in top 8

[foggy lodge]

TERA FIRE INCIN??

[foggy lodge]

Marco wins

Rayan choked

It was EQ

Actually wasn't shadow ball protect kommo better?

Unless Marco is covering a double protect from dengo but eh

Because shadow ball kills Rayan's dengo and then if Garchomp kills Marco's dengo it gets the life orb recoil and then aura sphere kills it

[real prairie]

Knew I was cooking with weavile 😶‍🌫️

[foggy lodge]

Weavile Dozogiri top 4

Kommo O Ribombee top 4

And Smeargle top 4

[real prairie]

What's the weavile set?

[foggy lodge]

Sash tera ghost protect triple axel beat up

And I forgot the 4th move

[real prairie]

Interesting

I hadn't considered triple axel, I was running ice spinner

[foggy lodge]

What's the accuracy of triple axel without the wide lens

I think with wide lens is like 99%

You can not run wide lens tbh I remember some Tsareena ran sitrus or other items instead of wide lens because like

Triple axel really doesn't miss that much

[tiny karma]

Move: Triple Axel

Hits three times. Power increases to 40 for the second hit and 60 for the third. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit three times.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its 72% of hitting all three

If you can use sleep powder and magma storm you can use triple axel

[sinful agate]

can anyone explain how a maxed out speed calyrex doesn't move before a zacian which has less base speed than calyrex? I'm so confused

it also moved before iron bundle with booster energy

[foggy lodge]

Were there any other factors like tailwind trick room or speed drops

[sinful agate]

I think tailwind was used earlier, I didn't know what it did but I guess it increases the speed

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it was that

Tailwind doubles speed

[sinful agate]

damn, is it in effect for 5 turns?

[foggy lodge]

4 turns

[sinful agate]

gotcha, thx

[foggy lodge]

RIBOMBEE IS IN FINALS

[stone trellis]

The two finalists of a regional in France are an Italian and a Spanish person.

I don't think I saw a single French person on the few stream rounds I watched.

[real prairie]

Marco clutching that up

[real prairie]

No A9 is beautiful

[stone trellis]

Adamant Lorb Garchomp OHKOs 244 HP / 188+ Def Incin even after Intimidate as long as Stomping Tantrum gets that doubled power.

Speaking of that, why Stomping Tantrum?

Doesn't it only get 150 BP if the last move missed?

[next stump]

garchomp only has stomping and earthquake to pick from

[tiny karma]

Garchomp's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Fling, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Outrage, Poison Jab, Return, Rock Climb, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Thunder Fang

Special Moves

Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Earth Power, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Power Gem, Round, Scorching Sands, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Attract, Captivate, Confide, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Garchomp.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[stone trellis]

^

Congrats to Marco, by the way.

[next stump]

you get double BP if you get flinched as well

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-not-laughing-flightreacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-not-laughing-gif-6356142083741775471

This thing is going to make Incin players suffer.

Should I go Tera Steel for the defensive benefit or Tera Ground to nuke everybody?

[fair holly]

Is Regieleki good in singles or doubles?

[next stump]

currently banned in double battles but even when it was legal, it wasn’t very good

[dense latch]

it did get banned from ou in singles so i imagine it’s pretty good there

[stone trellis]

I think I need some form of redirection as well as a Flying type who can sit next to it.

Are there any good Flying types that don't weaken/don't depend on anything that hinders Chomp?

[upper zealot]

kilowattrel is okay

tw i guess

[stone trellis]

Discharge + EQ shenanigans also sound funny as hell, but the shared Ice weakness bothers me.

Wouldn't Talonflame work better?

[upper zealot]

talon is good too yeah

and i guess chomp doesn’t want intim so yeah talon would probably be the better cht

choice

[stone trellis]

This variant I've made wouldn't care less.

[upper zealot]

who else is on your team so far?

[foggy lodge]

I love lefties blursa

[dense latch]

peak pokemon

are you trying out edu’s team

[spiral ridge]

Now how the hell did that bitch never get finished

[bold geode]

What is the Scotty doing here

[spiral ridge]

Idk

[stone trellis]

I just started building it.

I saw some calcs for Adamant Lorb Chompy and I thought they were fucking outrageous.

So I want to try and make it work somehow.

It's just fast enough to outspeed all the base 85s as well, which is very nice.

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

I have to get used to Smeargle tho

Mainly with its speed tier

[foggy lodge]

Blursa killed the ape in that same turn with bloodmoon and then it was just protect parting shot fake out calm mind protect switch fake out attack protect blablabla

[stone trellis]

Talonflame is decent into the one Ice type which threatens Garchomp and it provides TW, which is always nice.

[spiral ridge]

Not one damn grassy glide my god

Or did you tank it with Tera

[foggy lodge]

It tanked it

[spiral ridge]

Evil

[foggy lodge]

Well I also switched the blursa out a lot

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Cuz I had slow pivot so I could parting shot get it into terrain when everyone attacked already and get leftovers + grassy terrain

And keep switching lol

[spiral ridge]

Nice

[real prairie]

https://x.com/frogtypebeat_/status/1982310576287293912?t=54rKKcBo8LfdNXjM4suLcw&s=19

darcy (@frogtypebeat_)

For a while now I've been a little frustrated at how hard it is to answer the question:

"What am I likely to play against at my next VGC tournament?"

This week I put some data science to work answering that question. Full writeup below in the thread! 🧵

X · Oct 26, 2025, 4:57 AM

[left bobcat]

SQUISHY GO FOR ITTTTTT ✌️

[timber schooner]

What's a good fake out pokemon for a sand team

[next stump]

rillaboom can help a good bit

[dense latch]

goggles incin is always nice too
might depend on what the full team is

[left bobcat]

Always incin

[timber schooner]

I don't want something weak to ground

[left bobcat]

Rilla

[dense latch]

are you using eq chomp?

[left bobcat]

Ah damn then rilla is no bueno cuz grassy terrain will weaken eq

[timber schooner]

Here's the team any suggestions I also need help with some balancing excadrill gastrodon heatran dialga orgin form tyranitar and whimsicott

[dense latch]

what format is that for

[left bobcat]

Tinkaton?

[timber schooner]

H

Regulation h

[next stump]

regulation H bans legendaries

[timber schooner]

The current ranked competive on scarlet and v

[left bobcat]

So tinkaton fake out

[dense latch]

so reg j i assume

you're missing a restricted legendary in that case

[timber schooner]

Got any suggestions

Help me fix this team please

[dense latch]

are there any mons you're not willing to change or is everything replaceable?

[timber schooner]

Everything is changeable

Got any suggestions

[dense latch]

honestly none of these mons except for whim are any good

sand is a pretty mediocre archetype in reg j

[solid frigate]

Sand is really bad in Restricteds formats-

[timber schooner]

I like making stuff as challenging as possible

[solid frigate]

Erik isnt there a sand team with Zama before

[dense latch]

that was reg g tho wasn't it? though maybe it might've been a very very small thing in reg i

[solid frigate]

Reg G yea

[timber schooner]

I guess I need a completely new team how do you build a viable but unique team

[solid frigate]

But the major key question is

What do you want to play

[dense latch]

yea start off with a restricted duo

[timber schooner]

Zekrom and kyoger

If that's usable

[dense latch]

zekrom is almost as unusable as a restricted gets

it was bad even when it was the only restricted dragon/electric type and now that miraidon exists it's even worse

[timber schooner]

Zamazenta and kyoger then

Does nobody realize zekrom and reshiram are supposed to be used as a due

[dense latch]

they do but they're not good at all together

[timber schooner]

So what's the next step in team building

[dense latch]

so kyogre and zamazenta is fine i suppose
a partner like calyrex ice tends to be stronger but kyogre zama is usable

you'd then look for strong pokemon that help your duo

zamazenta and chien pao are very good together since sword of ruin boosts the damage body press does and pao hits what zama cant

from what i remember from kyogre zamazenta they'd use roaring moon, raging bolt, ursh, amoonguss, maybe rillaboom?

[timber schooner]

Why do people use those

[dense latch]

roaring moon is a great tailwind setter and helps vs calyrex shadow
raging bolt has amazing bulk and good typing into meta relevant threats
urshifu is one of the most broken pokemon in the game and rain boosts surging strikes even further
amoong helps for trick room, spore is really strong and it effectively loses a weakness in rain
rillaboom for terrain control vs miraidon and fake out support

[timber schooner]

What's the best way to get money in this game

[lofty tartan]

Item Printer, print Ability Patches, sell Ability Patches, profit.

[upper zealot]

basically you got set your switch time to the time shown then click i want to print something at the target time

you gotta max out the printer beforehand btw

[solid frigate]

Huh

How I did not know this

[timber schooner]

I've got a plan to make sceptile a competitive mostor

[dense latch]

damn you've been missing out

[solid frigate]

@rustic mountain

[dense latch]

i dont think i would've ever built teams in cart without the exploit

[timber schooner]

I've never used the exploit even thoe I've known about it

[upper zealot]

i tried building for a local without it and i ended up going with half my tera types bad cause i didnt have time

[timber schooner]

I don't really know how to use it

[dense latch]

there's some guides out there on youtube that prob make it easier to follow

[timber schooner]

I've tried i couldn't figer it out

Could you explain how to use it simply if you can

[dense latch]

you go to the item printer and stay on the option that says "i want to print something"
from there you go to the reward you want and look at the date and time needed (e.g ability patches)

you put the time and date, have your phone or something to use as a stopwatch and start it once you hit OK on the time and date thing

the "target" seconds (28 seconds in the case of ability patches) is the exact time when you need to hit "I want to print something", so you'd wait 26-27 seconds before clicking "I want to print something (you need to time it so that the screen turns black at 28 seconds so depending on the model that's one to two seconds, just try and see what works

then do a 5 print job with 2x bonus active and if you did it right you should get it

i hope that wasnt too confusing

[real swift]

my main issue is it's going to be really difficult to find people for BBQ now that ZA is out

[timber schooner]

Most effective way to prevent trick room

[rustic mountain]

[real swift]

nevermind it's only 15 BP this shit is cheap AF

[real swift]

I now have max money in the span of like 10 minutes. I wish I had known this prior to me putting down the game with how expensive team building was

Speaking of, is the online dead now or is it still relatively populated. I know the Legends ZA online has taken everything by storm. With how easy it is to build a team I think I'd want to start building now

[stone trellis]

In current ranked ladder?

[meager isle]

cosmic power eternatus users will be the death of me

[waxen dock]

Guys the gc is next weekend

So signups open on thursday

[real prairie]

cheers

[real prairie]

how long has this been a thing? Ive just spammed it

[upper zealot]

probably a year

[real prairie]

should have looked into it, ive just grinded it thinking it was random

[waxen dock]

I just use an app that shows it but i barelt use it

[glossy sparrow]

What’s like the best move set for Mega Dragonite in ZA Royale? Is it a preferred special attacker, because of its higher stat, or a physical still?

252 SPA 252 Speed

[waxen dock]

#lza_competitive

[glossy sparrow]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

bunyominyo has given 1 Gen Rep to ido1500

[stone trellis]

What is the most standard Incin EV spread for Safety Goggles sets?

[real prairie]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 244 HP / 172 Def / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

[stone trellis]

Adamant?

Why?

[real prairie]

to actually be able to do damage i guess

[stone trellis]

+1 100+ SpA Tera Fighting Porygon2 Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 222-264 (100.9 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO
P2 might actually be cracked holy shit 😭

[stone trellis]

Then why is it 0 Attack and not 4 or 12?

[real prairie]

IDK, just getting it from Munchstats for you lol

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[real prairie]

its the most common set on 1760+

[stone trellis]

I don't trust Munchstats, to be honest.

I'd like to live Modest UBM EP, thank you very much.

[real prairie]

the other one for A9 balance is

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 236 HP / 44 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

[stone trellis]

I'd much rather use this.

Since I already have A9 on the team.

[real prairie]

maybe you want this on then:

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

[real prairie]

this was the most defensive one i could find

[waxen dock]

thats how it looks

anyway

the gc got announced

[next stump]

Got to cast for VictoryRoad yesterday!

[real prairie]

Well who is that handsome chap

Nice one on the casting gig bro

[real prairie]

think ive made the right changes for GC 👀 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2469606564

[hollow echo]

yo

Tyranitar @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 140 HP / 112 Atk / 100 Def / 112 SpD / 44 Spe

• Rock Slide
• Shadow Claw
• Muddy Water
• Iron Defense

Venusaur @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Overgrow
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 100 HP / 96 Atk / 108 Def / 108 SpD / 96 Spe

• Sleep Powder
• Leech Seed
• Power Whip
• Sludge Bomb

Snorlax @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Immunity
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 92 HP / 96 Atk / 128 Def / 96 SpD / 96 Spe
Serious Nature

• Earthquake
• Thunderbolt
• Ice Beam
• Body Slam

Charizard @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Blaze
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 108 HP / 140 Atk / 112 Def / 60 SpD / 88 Spe

• Air Slash
• Dragon Rush
• Flamethrower
• Overheat

Feraligatr @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Torrent
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 92 HP / 120 Atk / 112 Def / 48 SpA / 60 SpD / 76 Spe

• Trailblaze
• Chilling Water
• Ice Beam
• Whirlpool

Gengar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Cursed Body
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 104 HP / 148 Atk / 128 Def / 36 SpA / 76 SpD / 16 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Destiny Bond
• Dazzling Gleam
• Dark Pulse
• Haze

[real prairie]

yo, use paste please

[hollow echo]

huh?

[real swift]

Pokepaste

[hollow echo]

huh?

[real prairie]

in showdown, at the bottom there is an export to pokepaste button, use that to share teams, not a huge text wall

[hollow echo]

i see

thanks for telling me

https://pokepast.es/3cf8f7006533f562

[hollow echo]

so like this?

[foggy lodge]

What format is this for

[hollow echo]

cometitive games

[foggy lodge]

What type of competitive games

Cuz there's OU singles UU singles, reg J VGC, reg H VGC

Those are just examples cuz there are more

[hollow echo]

any

[solid frigate]

Why the heck every item is Rocky helm-

[hollow echo]

yeah

if i am going down then i will take them

with me

[solid frigate]

Actually that’s the least of the problems rn we need what format

[hollow echo]

there is
https://pokepast.es/3cf8f7006533f562

[solid frigate]

What I mean formats i mean rule set

[hollow echo]

anything

is allowed

[solid frigate]

Then with those selections there a lot of problems in VGC Reg H

[hollow echo]

huh?

[solid frigate]

I’ll highlight the minor problems

Item Clause(You have more than one item of the same kind)

Moveset Issues (Bad Moveset Options)

Role issue (Almost all Pokémon Here are Attackers)

I could also add Team Planning Issue as another example but like that can be further explained

[hollow echo]

what you mean team planing

[foggy lodge]

There isn't a team that works for any format xd

Maybe its decent in a format without legendaries but if there are legendaries the team is really bad

[hollow echo]

i see

i used some moves that are opposite of those pokemon that are using it

so

it will be surprised them

[solid frigate]

Game plan on which archetype you are using,Teambuilding as a whole

[hollow echo]

i see

[hollow echo]

can you explain how move set are bad?

[solid frigate]

You want me to talk about everything on it+EVs?

[hollow echo]

what is EVs?

[solid frigate]

Effort Values (Aka extra stats that you throw everywhere on that list)

[hollow echo]

i see

yeah

[real prairie]

@hollow echo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBw6UXAiq0A

would recommend watching

[real swift]

Yeah right now the format allows legends. The team would get decimated. I personally prefer early game leagues where no legends are permitted, but even then the team would get destroyed by a well made team.

[real prairie]

the official format right now doesnt tbf

no legendaries in reg H

[real swift]

It doesn’t? I thought they were my b

[real prairie]

reg J is on cart, which isn't what is being used for tournaments

[solid frigate]

These are only Moveset problems

Tyrannitar:
Tyrannitar should not be a mixed attacker,Rock Slide is the only Move that is correct,Shadow Claw is Passible but doesn’t contribute to it since it has Knock off,Remove Muddy Water and Iron Defense.

Venusaur:
sludge bomb and Sleep Powder are the only right move for it,Leech Seed isnt worth it in this format and Power Whip is for Physical Attackers which Venusaur clearly isn’t.

Snorlax: Yet another Mixed attacking set problem here,Body Slam and EQ are fine but Tbolt and Ice Beam are no to Snorlax,Since Snorlax has other moves that work with it

Charizard:Thats the only one that is close to being right,Remove Dragon Rush for Dragon Pulse or even remove Flamethrower for Heat Wave.

Feraligatr: the worst out of all,Remove anything here and give it a set up set with Dragon Dance,Liquidation,Aqua Jet,Protect

Gengar:Haze is fine with it I can see it,But other moves have to change,Shadow Ball,Sludge Bomb and protect please

Also you have to choose which one you wanna prioritise,Zard or Ttar

[real prairie]

its VERY stupid

[real swift]

Ohhhhh my bad

[real prairie]

not at all mate, its not the smart move

[hollow echo]

what is ZArd or ttar?

[solid frigate]

I’m just so burnt out on Reg H lol

[real prairie]

tyranitar and charizard

[solid frigate]

Charizard and Tyranitar’s Short forms

[hollow echo]

i didn't get it what you mean
prioritise?

i put leech seed so it can heal my pokemons

[solid frigate]

Basically which one do you want to build around

Zard Sun Team or Ttar Sand Team

[hollow echo]

hmm i think sand is best

because my team got oneshot by

[solid frigate]

Already then besides Ttar

Ditch everything

[solid frigate]

By what

[hollow echo]

miraidon

and someone similar to it

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-ankh-kamen-rider-gif-9051565976148687538

Why would you use a Regulation H team against Double restricted team

[hollow echo]

they only use one attack

[hollow echo]

what is that?

[solid frigate]

Regulation J(Cart Ladder Format)

You can use anything in the game+2 Box Art Legendaries

Reg H(Official Format)

You can use anything but Paradox,Sub Legendaries and Restricteds

[hollow echo]

i see

[solid frigate]

@real prairie I might cancel my plans on Bham and EUIC if the drama is still ongoing

[real prairie]

drama?

[solid frigate]

Did you watch Wolfe’s Video on that drama-

[real prairie]

yeah i saw it, but we aren't exactly Wolfe

and frankly if someone wants to try do something like that to me they will end up with a boot up their arse. but this isn't the place to discuss it

[solid frigate]

Yeah I know but like as for personal safety I decided not to if you know what I mean

Plus I might be broke if I went there and have no money to get back to Hong Kong for a month

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-quagsire-protects-protect-gif-4273174327318237675

[solid frigate]

So now what do you want to play

[hollow echo]

huh?

[solid frigate]

Like which format do you want to play (not accepting any since all formats are different)

[solid frigate]

Don’t worry I can fight on my own lmao

[hollow echo]

ANYTHING GOES

!

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cyrene-hsr-elysia-achevo-cyrene-slap-gif-9637100078030922222

God damn it

[real prairie]

let him watch Wolfe VGC school and get back to us @solid frigate

[solid frigate]

Yeah

[real swift]

Is cart ladder even populated right now or did everyone flock to ZA?

[real prairie]

everyone is on ZA

apart from those competing

[hollow echo]

so i will need to change Dragon Pulse

[real swift]

Man I can’t wait for champions lmao it’ll be nice to have a separate game entirely for turn based

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBw6UXAiq0A

Watch and then get back to us

[solid frigate]

Just watch this @hollow echo and then come back later

[hollow echo]

i am watching it

[solid frigate]

I’m getting ZA tmr anyway so expect me to grind for My ass over Mega Greninja

[real swift]

It’s REALLY easy to get to rank K. Took me like 30 minutes.

[solid frigate]

I’m getting some help from my friends To see what I can do

I want mega Gren to be part of my play through team like in early game lol

[real swift]

Just waiting for RNG manip to come out so I can grind bottle caps. Right now it’s not even worth the grind and just do EVs

[hollow echo]

hey which format doesn't ban sleeping moves?

[solid frigate]

None

[hollow echo]

i see

[solid frigate]

Honestly I rather see Sleep than Dire claw anyway

[hollow echo]

what is dire claw?

[waxen dock]

what drama

[real prairie]

not a conversation for in here

[waxen dock]

the signiture movre of sneasler which has 50% to give status conditions

[waxen dock]

why?

[real prairie]

ill DM you

[bold geode]

Get fucked

[bold geode]

Yeah it took me like 30 min to an hour

With improperly EVd stuff LOL

[real swift]

Doubt we’re gonna need bottle caps until expansion tbh. I think the true post game will be there with shops to buy bottle caps. Right now that grind is too ridiculous. I’ll grind the EV vitamins, but not bottle caps.

[real prairie]

assume you mean ZA

if so, no idea

[stone trellis]

This is a team I made to facilitate Adamant Tera Ground Life Orb Garchomp (with the help of some people in another server). Since I'm not even close to good at Reg H, can you guys tell me if I should change anything?
https://pokepast.es/ceef6e9b266ee62c

[real prairie]

surely tera flying acrobatics Sneasler works better here to allow Garchomp to EQ

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's what I was saying too.

Do I replace Dire Claw with Acrobatics?

And do I go Jolly or Adamant on Sneasler?

[real prairie]

adament, nothing outspeeds after unburden anyway

[stone trellis]

Except for Jumpluff in sun.

And do I make P2 faster so it can work in both modes?

[real swift]

Yeah my bad forgot to reply lmao

[stone trellis]

I finally won a single game and it was against a person who was on the very bottom of ladder.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2469722151-liruf5ve3f6ktt2d07ey1ehv2hlh5nrpw

Kill me.

[solid frigate]

I think bro doesn’t want to use Incineroar so they used Mence and Luxray lol

[stone trellis]

Luxray was probably Guts.

Anywho, I think this team is good, but I don't know how to use it against certain archetypes because I'm not that accustomed to Reg H yet.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2469723934

[hollow echo]

what is vgt states?

[stone trellis]

?

[hollow echo]

sorry it is nothing

[dense latch]

idk how to feel about non-seed acrobatics on sneasler

9 times out of 10 it’s not gonna be boosted

[hollow echo]

hmm i lost other match

[stone trellis]

It's either that or Dire Claw.

And Dire Claw never triggers when I use it, so...

[dense latch]

even if it doesn’t

[stone trellis]

Anyway, this is what I meant when I said that the calcs for Adamant Lorb are fucking outrageous.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2469736106

[dense latch]

it’s 80 BP stab and consistent

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[stone trellis]

236+ Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 169-200 (91.8 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
They lived off of a coin flip.

[real prairie]

thats assuming they had no bulk

which considering they were faster than you, is probably a fair assumption

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2469771847

This team can work like a gem when used properly.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Dire Claw is a very strong poison move that people rely on too much for random acts of God. I mainly use it to pressure grass and fairy guys