See for a doubles standpoint
I would rather deal with Serene Grace than No Guard Draco
#competitive_discussion
bold geode
Actually
Meh maybe not
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
solid frigate
No Guard and Serene Grace
Either way it will benefit Dnite massively
bold geode
Cuz at the same time if I'm relying on Draco to miss i probably fucked up already
bold geode
So it's like I always take the hit or do I deal with moves that if they land have a higher chance to fuck me
foggy lodge
IT GETS ROCK SLIDE
dense latch
if it gets no guard would ppl run zap cannon
bold geode
Ah wait
@shi.ro. No Guard Focus Blast
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
summer shore
Oh this list is very incomplete
solid frigate
yeahh no No Guard Zap Cannon is gonna hurt
summer shore
I mean a bunch of the megas are gonna be broken
bold geode
Did y'all ban Kang?
dense latch
wait no
dense latch
there's no way they give it no guard
dnite has horn drill
solid frigate
LMFAO
next stump
someone at their local
summer shore
Did y'all ban Kang?
Swords dance on an attack is pretty strong
dense latch
"to thy opposition" 😭
foggy lodge
Lmfao
solid frigate
someone at their local
Bro came from 1800s
bold geode
Swords dance on an attack is pretty strong
Yeah God I hope they remove they in Champions
foggy lodge
Oh and its the Zeen team
bold geode
If not you could literally use Mega Clefable and Mega Kang and fuck your opponents day depending on what ability Mega Clefable gets
summer shore
Mega clef lowkey fraud check rn
Idk what they could give it to make it worth the mega
summer shore
Doesnt do anything good for it
solid frigate
I wanna say Flying type Giga Impact but it’s a physical move
So Flying Type Hyper Beam wooo
bold geode
Literally just Fairy Ogerpon
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
bold geode
It has 135 base Spatk
It gets Hyper Voice
All I gotta say
solid frigate
Bro is gonna cause Sylveon to lose her only Job
foggy lodge
Depends
solid frigate
Wait no
Gardevoir already does that
foggy lodge
Sylveon doesn't take the mega slot
bold geode
Yeah
There's other megas though like idk
bold geode
@summer shore what all new megas are good without abilities rn
foggy lodge
It gets calm mind and its mega is super bulky and the typing defensively is decent
foggy lodge
Greninja is on fraudwatch for VGC
bold geode
I think an underrated move for Clef is calm mind
It could work but I like the idea of using Follow Me + Hyper Voice still just for the fact that you can still support outside of the mega so like you can bring a different mega and still get value out of Clef
summer shore
I hope gren doesnt keep nasty plot
foggy lodge
The regular one would be better
summer shore
I would like to continue to play with greninja
bold geode
It would be good on mold breaker
Mood Breaker wouldn't be bad either
solid frigate
I would like to continue to play with greninja
Me when I hear Mega Gren is not good despite waiting 12 years for this:
foggy lodge
What were the stats of mega drill
bold geode
The regular one would be better
Meh
You'd be able to beat a lot of TW stuff
foggy lodge
Because if it has enough bulk then maybe the bulk is a good enough excuse to use it
dense latch
something something 165 attack something something
summer shore
Me when I hear Mega Gren is not good despite waiting 12 years for this:
Its gonna get banned in ou if it keeps nasty plot
bold geode
Just by switching in TTar and mega evolving unless it's like Mega Zard Y
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
dense latch
solid frigate
Its gonna get banned in ou if it keeps nasty plot
I mean I guess in singles is gonna be busted but VGC
Man-
foggy lodge
But bad on the special side
summer shore
The 40 def does so much for it
foggy lodge
Well its decent by the special side
bold geode
Anyways my point was if Clefable could work well offensively then like all it takes is Kang keeping Power Up Punch and Mega Clef could be meta with fuckin Kang
foggy lodge
If it keeps rush its gonna be better than regular nvm
But if it doesn't I don't think it would matter a lot because
You can run it outside of sand
If it gets moldbreaker it can be good on balance or whatever other shit cuz its like a Chomp
bold geode
Cuz you can lead both and have your opponent guessing which one you'll mega evolve and whether you're gonna Follow Me or Fake Out and if they scout out with double Protect you could legitimately like Follow Me and Mega Kang Power Up Punch into your own Clef
Cuz if Kang gets Power Up Punch, Clef is a Fairy type redirector with Unaware
Idk I got a fat eye on Clefable, I think with the right ability it has fat VGC potential
bold geode
It's not like
THE worst
But it's not the best
Idk
It seems like something with potential
molten oasis
Hm, from what I’m seeing Delphox might just be good as long as the ability doesn’t suck
And then exca has potential
Drampa and dnite seem ok
bold geode
Off a worse typing
Has Chandelure done anything
summer shore
Look speed stat
bold geode
Really?
summer shore
No no goody
bold geode
Man OU is odd sometimes
VGC that thing is probably a demon
summer shore
Look speed stat
upper zealot
Hm, from what I’m seeing Delphox might just be good as long as the ability doesn...
give it levitate for fun
molten oasis
Levitate shuts off expanding force
bold geode
make people run gravity
Yeah so basically make Delphox bad
upper zealot
yep
solid frigate
I was having some casual matches and this happened
rigid crane
Make it back to Master Rank Let's Go!!
dense latch
Make it back to Master Rank Let's Go!!
congrats!!
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2464388139-0jb4kw30gljj7vbt338ya3pfqdq4ycxpw got back for few games and beat a top 20 player on ladder
if i didnt crit im pretty sure i just glide sneasler heat wave and still win regardless of what's in the back
shadow wind
That's my goat
shadow wind
I was having some casual matches and this happened
FROM THE TOP ROPES !
I wanna play VGC but want to play something that isn't Reg H
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2464388139-0jb4kw30gljj7vbt33...
Ah yes let’s swords dance infront of set up volcarona
Good playing tho
shadow wind
Is the general idea that pokemon showdown is going to explode after champions comes out?
dense latch
Ah yes let’s swords dance infront of set up volcarona
idk why so many ppl do that when i play against lele
do they expect a protect? just target the rilla 😭
shadow wind
Erik how have you managed to stay with Reg H for so long
dense latch
Erik how have you managed to stay with Reg H for so long
volcarona
also how i managed to stay in Reg I for so long
shadow wind
Hmmm
molten oasis
A9 is how I’m surviving
molten oasis
Stfu she’s cute
molten oasis
molten oasis
Bro loves spamming freeze
Fishing for freezes is desperate
molten oasis
I play a9 for chip and encore pressure which is really fucking effective
Specs sets are fun too
dense latch
i love encore a9
shadow wind
Does HO even exist in Reg H?
molten oasis
Plus lemme enjoy a9’s time to shine
shadow wind
Cause I'm a big fan of HO
dense latch
you can do some fun stuff with encore next to rilla and bloodmoon too
molten oasis
A9 is almost never meta
shadow wind
It might be time to play hard trick room 😔
molten oasis
Eww
molten oasis
you can do some fun stuff with encore next to rilla and bloodmoon too
With rilla?
Bloodmoon I understand but rilla?
shadow wind
Pokemon players when someone plays a team "No wait this can't be"
dense latch
it's very niche
wait im not sure it works like that with a9
ik that with whim if you encore a rilla that just glided it can use priority wood hammer
shadow wind
How does every single idea I produce receive only "ewws" or "that team is gross" 😔
dense latch
not entirely sure if encore would make it go right after a9 or just normal wood hammer
left bobcat
Damn
molten oasis
I know with whimsi and Bloodmoon you can encore when it uses hyper voice the turn before, then it’ll click vacuum wave and then prio hyper voice
shadow wind
How in a world of dictators I'm the villain using slaking weezing
molten oasis
It’s niche but it’s cool
molten oasis
How in a world of dictators I'm the villain using slaking weezing
Eww weezing
dense latch
If a Pokémon is affected by Encore before it uses its move that turn, and it is now locked into a move other than the one it selected, it will be forced to use the move that Encore has locked it into; even if the move it is forced to use has a different priority than the move it had selected, the Pokémon will still move with the priority of the move it had selected.
it does work
molten oasis
Also hard tr is psyspam 90% of vgc players hate psyspam
dense latch
I know with whimsi and Bloodmoon you can encore when it uses hyper voice the tur...
also the double bloodmoon play
molten oasis
Ye
shadow wind
There really is no winning when people love to use Sneasler
shadow wind
MausApe is the worst
molten oasis
dense latch
what drago said i dont have that sticker
molten oasis
Like I think dire claw is dumb asf
shadow wind
It might be idbp Kommo time
dense latch
bascu switch in into wave crash into ape is 50% of why i use it
shadow wind
I'm sorry I have to do this to you Kommo-o 😔
molten oasis
BUT the Mon itself is totally fine imo
dense latch
if there's something good the lele team brought to reg h it's dire clawless sneasler
shadow wind
Unburden with 120 speed and 130 atk is not fine imo
It's also just the combo of Sneasler + Indeedee M
molten oasis
Also now that I’ve used it more, it’s just nice having a fast consistent physical attacker
dense latch
tera flying acrobatics is fucking terrifying yea but it's a bit more honest
shadow wind
Very oppressive combo
shadow wind
I played Delphox back in Reg H1
molten oasis
It’s not bad rn
molten oasis
Actually does pretty okay into the big 6
Rain died which I didn’t expect
I don’t see rain much at all
molten oasis
Overcoat.
shadow wind
Ah heck nah
molten oasis
TFYM
dense latch
i see a lot of dengo whim rain
molten oasis
spore immunity is awesome
dense latch
shadow wind
So is an immunity to every single sound type move which includes many hyper voices and yawn
molten oasis
So is an immunity to every single sound type move which includes many hyper voic...
Blursa is hitting you with Bloodmoon.
You already don’t care about Prima hyper voice that much
shadow wind
Bulletproof lets you wall Dengo
molten oasis
Bulletproof with Tera steel or fire is nice for dengo yeah
dense latch
so far i've been loving this team i just need a better line into tera normal bloodmoon tailwind
molten oasis
But that’s the only use case, I guess amoonguss is kinda dead
shadow wind
Spore immunity is not that fire right now
Yeah the Shroom is not here
I need a goated partner for Kommo
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/bf5a3d8b7c13be00 enjoying this team, a9
shadow wind
That sounds like I get absolutely bent over by MausApe
shadow wind
Hit ghost types
molten oasis
Basc?
dense latch
i kinda miss when dragapult was around
molten oasis
Gambit?
molten oasis
i kinda miss when dragapult was around
It had its time
molten oasis
Hit ghost types
Dengo?
shadow wind
Man this is why I hate Annihilape, every single mon that should beat it just doesn't
And then rage fist does 8 trillion damage
shadow wind
I'm just trying to make sense of this format
Cause I want to play VGC but Reg H is the last thing I want to play
So I'm stuck
molten oasis
Then do more
shadow wind
I need a better avatar
dense latch
i've been on calem's masters outfit for a bit it's pretty cool
shadow wind
Sometimes I wish I was a singles player so I could win a custom one
And I'd like to do that still but if showdown goes under after champions comes out I don't think I should invest time into singles
Maybe I go play OU while I wait for this terrible regulation to be over
molten oasis
Pao pult was peak
shadow wind
Well I just beat 2 1750 players in Reg J both running rain so maybe I retire
CIR Kyogre Lando might be the single worst MU for my team
foggy lodge
Probably still better than reg H
dense latch
funnily enough its best time was reg c
this is why i wanted c back pultpao sounds fun af
mighty stump
I tried some ZA ranked
its stupidly easy
2 turn moves are also busted and free
and i did it w my story team
stone trellis
CIR Kyogre Lando might be the single worst MU for my team
People use that?
molten oasis
Hyper beam dragonite 
shadow wind
People use that?
Are we fr yes people use that
summer shore
Chills
shadow wind
It’s truly my talent and I’m glad I found it
summer shore
It’s truly my talent and I’m glad I found it
You were simply better I fear
shadow wind
First ever recorded special attacker beating calm mind Blissey
summer shore
Brochacho has never encountered helmet psy noise pain split demon hat
shadow wind
So very true 😔
I even had a Hatt available but I decided to go big or go home
Average 1400s game
Oh wow Reg J is not serious at all
Also not a single mythical in sight
Not even an Arceus or Magearna to be found
real prairie
Howdy peeps
real prairie
Oh cool shit. What was the team?
shadow wind
Some Kyogre CSR team
It was odd and I can’t exactly remember the other 3 mons but I think there was a torn?
real prairie
Strange
solid frigate
I’m already almost made it back to Top 500 with Miraidon Ho-Oh lol
This ladder is like easy to get used to
shadow wind
Way more comfortable than Reg H I’ll say that much
And maybe it’s cause I’m more comfortable in Restricted formats but who knows
solid frigate
And maybe it’s cause I’m more comfortable in Restricted formats but who knows
Same for me,but it’s more like the team I have is probably the most comfortable team I have
Doesn’t utilise Prankster TW yet barely lose any momentum
shadow wind
Valid
I never had a “comfortable” team in Reg H
Everything felt way too important I guess
I like defend the king type of teams
Not 6 equal members which works in restricted formats but not in any other formats
solid frigate
Not 6 equal members which works in restricted formats but not in any other forma...
Mine is just this
shadow wind
Taunt Oger is cool
My team is pretty basic but it’s the one I hit 80 GXE with so it’s comfy
Lefties Groudon and Wake
solid frigate
My team is pretty basic but it’s the one I hit 80 GXE with so it’s comfy
70% is enough for me in Miraidon Ho-Oh
It was suppose to be symbolic for my journey
shadow wind
I mean I’ve never hit 80% after that so I’m ok with mid 70s
Mid 70s is most times good enough for me
Coming from 58-63ish gxes anything in the 70s will suffice
stone trellis
Mine is just this
I still don't get why you'd struggle with my team.
left bobcat
I still don't get why you'd struggle with my team.
Because of shadow rider
stone trellis
?
left bobcat
Idk I’m just making assumptions
stone trellis
I'm attracted to women. I don't use Shadow Rider.
He said that Coaching Ice Rider was an auto loss.
That happens to be exactly what I run.
left bobcat
Hmmm I can see that
stone trellis
Why?
left bobcat
Without Tera miraidon and Lando get folded but then again foul play from grim exists so- idk maybe it’s just making bad plays?
stone trellis
Foul Play from who?
Oh.
To be honest, I doubt that specific Grimmsnarl wants to be anywhere near my Miraidon or Landorus, so...
stone trellis
Without Tera miraidon and Lando get folded but then again foul play from grim ex...
Does Foul Play ignore your own Defense boosts?
Because if not, Foul Play ain't doing shit to Tera Fire Icy.
left bobcat
Does Foul Play ignore your own Defense boosts?
Hmmmm I don’t think so
solid frigate
Does Foul Play ignore your own Defense boosts?
It doesn’t
And I can’t stop Iron Valiant without losing this much resources
And this is probably the only bad MU I have
Adding to the fact that Ho-Oh and Wellspring Pon can’t do anything when inside TR which are the ones I rely on to tank damage
stone trellis
Fair.
stone trellis
And I can’t stop Iron Valiant without losing this much resources
Valiant only really threatens Grimmsnarl and Miraidon, doesn't it?
solid frigate
Valiant only really threatens Grimmsnarl and Miraidon, doesn't it?
It threatens Lando as well and reveal my Tera a lot earlier
And I can’t lead Miraidon safely to stop CIR
tall sequoia
I'm attracted to women. I don't use Shadow Rider.
tuff
90% of shadow rider users r always the female character + very male name combo
polar canyon
Do you guys think it would be funny if they gave mega victreebel gluttony
polar canyon
I'm attracted to women. I don't use Shadow Rider.
Unironically using gay as derogatory aint ever been funny
But I guess using a pokemon that makes winning easier means you like men
bold geode
I'm attracted to women. I don't use Shadow Rider.
That doesn't correlate at all and it would be best to choose words more carefully plz
left bobcat
Let’s a go
foggy lodge
Super mario in real life
solid frigate
Super mario in real life
wild knot
dense latch
Super mario in real life
spaghetti
molten oasis
Damn beat me to it
left bobcat
HOLY SHI IS THAT PIZZA
rustic mountain
🍝
molten oasis
Lmao
shadow wind
I think I’d have more fun in Reg H if I was allowed to use Groudon
That’s my conclusion
molten oasis
I think I’d have more fun in Reg H if I was allowed to use Groudon
“Oh shifu would be great on this team!”
“…oh right no shifu.”
Lowkey what this format feels like
shadow wind
A Calyrex shadow rider would legit solve all my MUs
molten oasis
Lando for me
shadow wind
I think I’m just a fan of restricted formats
molten oasis
I miss lando, and shifu, and ogerpon, and moon, and flutter, and hands, and Zac, and Mirai, and ogre
Not Calyrex tho fuck that guy
shadow wind
He would solve my MausApe MU
Or a Flutter mane
This is my second format ever without Flutter mane
shadow wind
The first format without Flutter was Reg H1
shadow wind
Reg h with paradox would have gone hard
Now that sounds like fun
Not Dnite glaze format
molten oasis
Yeah, but we’re probably just gonna get another rerun
Nah format of steel like dengo and arch and gambit all having moment of domination
molten oasis
Dengo personally
shadow wind
I don’t hate Dengo but man he looks so stupid
molten oasis
I like that he looks stupid
shadow wind
Also I’m a Gen 6 glazer till the day I die so Aegislash is my goat
molten oasis
Can’t wait to play X and Y after ZA
shadow wind
Pokémon Y was actually my first Pokemon game
And it might be nostalgia clouding my judgement but man that game was so fun
molten oasis
I have y on my Japanese ds
shadow wind
It feels better to play any Pokemon game that isn’t on the switch
shadow wind
Just do a Reg A re run
molten oasis
shadow wind
I want to experience the dread of Armarouge
shadow wind
And MausApe 😔😔
molten oasis
Also murkrow was meta and dozo was strong
shadow wind
Yknow what can we just go back to Gen 8
Nah wait Gen 7 cause I don’t want the horses
Gen 7 sounds pretty good to me right now
shadow wind
I hope champions is good
Cause I’m personally not playing LZA
So I need there to only be a little gap in Pokémon content for me
molten oasis
I also hope reg g doesn’t happen again
At least let the rerun (if it happens) be a format people like
shadow wind
I liked Reg G
But that’s only cause Groudon exists
If Groudon didn’t exist I’d probably hate it
molten oasis
But that’s reg I again
shadow wind
I was having way more fun with Reg J than Reg H
Even though it’s a Bo1 ladder it’s just fun
I also just got to reuse teams so I felt like I was back in my prime(1600s at best)
foggy lodge
Reg g for the third time
Yes!
molten oasis
No!
dense latch
FINALLY
molten oasis
Nice
dense latch
that took way too long
dense latch
yea
shadow wind
That’s my goat
dense latch
ty conner
molten oasis
What did you use?
shadow wind
Yeah go play some Reg J for fun
molten oasis
im never touching reg h bo1 again it's actual hell
See it’s either perfectly fine or fucking miserable
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/aa0c2a2244f8a7a6
Nice team
shadow wind
Somehow Reg J is so much more tolerable than H for me
molten oasis
You get to use groudon
dense latch
Yeah go play some Reg J for fun
im just gonna go to bo3 a friend and i promised to never touch that format lol
shadow wind
But I have to play against CSR
molten oasis
Reg j really isn’t that bad
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/aa0c2a2244f8a7a6
The best Blursa set
shadow wind
im just gonna go to bo3 a friend and i promised to never touch that format lol
That’s so valid
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/aa0c2a2244f8a7a6
i had ape over incin for a bit then i started missing incin
foggy lodge
As you should
shadow wind
Reg j really isn’t *that* bad
Oh definitely not I’ll play it over H any day
dense latch
p2 ursa balance just seemed unwinnable without ape but im just gonna tank that mu
molten oasis
I ran into sun with jumpluff and kinda got shat on
Had to switch Indeedee to goggles
dense latch
i havent played the mu with taunt so idk how good it may be there
shadow wind
Holy 1700 is 52nd on ladder?
molten oasis
Dayum
shadow wind
That’s gnarly man
foggy lodge
Tesla gnarly
dense latch
i hope i get to where i was in reg h 1.0
foggy lodge
Bobba tea gnarly
shadow wind
Wait why is Reg J ladder more progressed in terms of elo
foggy lodge
LMFAO
shadow wind
1700 is like 90th
shadow wind
i hope i get to where i was in reg h 1.0
What’s that?
dense latch
top 25
molten oasis
Wait why is Reg J ladder more progressed in terms of elo
Are you fr?
shadow wind
Oh I thought you meant an elo amount
dense latch
1820ish elo i think
it was late in the format
shadow wind
Are you fr?
Yes 😭
molten oasis
Although, I won’t lie reg h showdown ladder kinda dead
And I think it’s cuz of the small 6
shadow wind
Probably yeah
dense latch
my queue times were absurd at times
shadow wind
Erik what is your peak elo?
molten oasis
People don’t like double fake out set up guy
Wow, that’s the second time that’s happened, other time was with bolt
dense latch
1820ish elo i think
it was late in the format
^
shadow wind
Wow, that’s the second time that’s happened, other time was with bolt
Bolt balance 😝😝😝
foggy lodge
Japan balance was the most healthy #1 team of a format
shadow wind
I don’t actually know what my peak elo is now thinking about it
molten oasis
Japan balance was the most healthy #1 team of a format
I agree
shadow wind
Time to go looking 😔
molten oasis
Like bolt was strong as shit but it was still like, fine
foggy lodge
Bolt was broken tho
foggy lodge
James Evans vs Brady Smith finals I saw Raging Bolt go from red HP to green HP in like 3 minutes
shadow wind
I want to hit 1900 elo eventually
foggy lodge
Reach 2000 like wolfey
molten oasis
Become Wolfe
dense latch
2000 elo sounds absurd
foggy lodge
shadow wind
Man trying to find a specific image on discord mobile makes me want to die
foggy lodge
TIME TO DISCUSS NEW MEGAS FOR THE 20TH TIME
Nvm we can't talk anything new about the megas
I need to see the abilities
shadow wind
Yeah
foggy lodge
I need VGC info VGC is so dead rn
shadow wind
Without abilities the stats mean nothing
dense latch
give me abilities please make some excuse to give them to us
shadow wind
Literally
I would literally play customs with people if they had abilities
I can't find evidence of me peaking 🥀
Nah going back through my showdown screenshots is terrible
What was I even on
molten oasis
I need VGC info VGC is so dead rn
Maybe because they only rerun formats
jade dust
I feel like mega Camerupt can be pretty good as trick room sweeper
molten oasis
I believe you
jade dust
Ikr
molten oasis
I feel like mega Camerupt can be pretty good as trick room sweeper
This has been experimented with I think it was only okay
shadow wind
I believe myself as well I just want the receipts 😭
molten oasis
I don’t remember it being good but idk
molten oasis
I’m excited for mega Delphox, Drampa, Dragalge, Dragonite
shadow wind
Because of this
molten oasis
Wow all the d pokemon
shadow wind
Will of D ahh
molten oasis
Lmao
jade dust
I don’t remember it being good but idk
I mean back then there were few options to stop priority moves which is one of the biggest enemies of trick room
But now Fari exists
And Indeedee
molten oasis
I mean back then there were few options to stop priority moves which is one of t...
But why use your mega on Camerupt when torkoal exists
Could go a different mega
Fire ground is also a shit typing defensively
jade dust
Camerupt having sheer force and earth power is strong
molten oasis
Sheer force? I thought it was drought, that’s so lame
shadow wind
I miss when I could just do this 😔
foggy lodge
I feel like mega Camerupt can be pretty good as trick room sweeper
Torkoal just better
shadow wind
I'm past my prime
foggy lodge
Doesn't take the mega slot and sets sun
shadow wind
About to enter retirement
molten oasis
If it was drought? Sure
jade dust
molten oasis
However it’s NOT drought, damn that’s is not all that bulky for a mega
jade dust
I mean what mega are you using in a trick room team?
molten oasis
Drampa and Mawile
Well drampa if it’s actually good
Mawile was THE trick room mega
(Cuz I’m pretty sure nothing else was)
Zacian before zacian basically
jade dust
Right Mawile is very slow
molten oasis
Ties with ursas but I think fariluna with Mawile could be solid
Or just Fari and Mawile might be okay
jade dust
However it’s NOT drought, damn that’s is not all that bulky for a mega
I mean that bulk isn’t bad
Above 100 to both defenses
jade dust
Yeah it’s not mega Tyranitar level of bulk
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
foggy lodge
It isn't really that bulky because of the HP
foggy lodge
And like is an eruption spam mon the bulk isn't that important
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
dense latch
i think mega camerupt is gonna be better than it was in gens 6/7
molten oasis
That 50 hp oof
dense latch
indeedee helps
molten oasis
Eeeehhhhhh
dense latch
but i dont think it's gonna be that good either
jade dust
It’s around Salamance lvl
molten oasis
Hp matters a lot and with solid defenses yes
shadow wind
I don't think I ever hit 1800s...
molten oasis
Look at Bloodmoon
shadow wind
After searching everywhere I have no evidence of it ever happening
foggy lodge
Kanghaska isn’t bulkier
Wdym
shadow wind
I'm a fraud
foggy lodge
Mega Kangaskhan is 100/100/100 bulk lol
molten oasis
But also typing is another large factor
jade dust
Look at Bloodmoon
Bloodmoon gets OHKO by special moves tho, neutral ones
molten oasis
Oh shit that’s not mega oops
molten oasis
Bloodmoon gets OHKO by special moves tho, neutral ones
Nah not anymore the Bloodmoon decided to start reading
(The lefties sets are capable of taking certain hits just fine)
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
shadow wind
WE ARE SO BACK
molten oasis
Ah THERE we go, why is kang so fucking min maxed
shadow wind
I knew I did it at some point
dense latch
I knew I did it at some point
W
jade dust
Nah not anymore the Bloodmoon decided to start reading
My +2 single target Hypervoice from Sylveon says otherwise
dense latch
i hope it doesnt keep power up punch going from za to champions
molten oasis
My +2 single target Hypervoice from Sylveon says otherwise
You’re using sylveon?
shadow wind
That was back in November of last year 💀
jade dust
I was for the grand challenge
molten oasis
How the fuck are you +2 sylveon?
foggy lodge
My +2 single target Hypervoice from Sylveon says otherwise
I threw a nuke and it nuked😱
molten oasis
I threw a nuke and it nuked😱
jade dust
Perish song dozo
molten oasis
jade dust
I perish song on Tatsugiri
molten oasis
Oh that shit okay
dense latch
kid named assault vest
jade dust
Stall the timer and Sylveon uses psych up
jade dust
Mega Kangaskhan is 100/100/100 bulk lol
Oh I read the stats wrong
jade dust
Ah
molten oasis
Hm what else is bulkier 
jade dust
Well, no we don’t av Bloodmoon is hella boring
And well you kinda want to be able to protect
molten oasis
Eeeeehhhh, it really depends on the team
dense latch
friend guard is the best protection
molten oasis
I do think lefties or LORB are better
jade dust
Also ground fire isn’t that bad
molten oasis
But av works perfectly fine
jade dust
Only 2 weaknesses
foggy lodge
I love how the new megas got use so hyped and the same 5 megas that dominated the field are gonna keep being the most dominant ones
molten oasis
Is it only 2?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
jade dust
Only ground and water
molten oasis
Yes very weak to water
Well there’s your problem
jade dust
Primal Groudon mega Camerupt team let’s fucking go
molten oasis
You’re 4x weak to water in a game where every team tends to have a water type
Unless you’re reg h
Cuz the water types this format are pretty eh
jade dust
Paladin and Dozo are the best
molten oasis
Basc is aight but prima’s mid and peli is rain
jade dust
And then Primarina
jade dust
I mean Dozo had a high win rate
dense latch
palafin is washed
foggy lodge
Basc is the best one
jade dust
Solo Dozo is just for yawn
molten oasis
Solo Dozo is just for yawn
It’s pretty good at it
foggy lodge
Cuz yawn broken
shadow wind
Why is my luck so nasty with high pairings
jade dust
Dozo’s purpose was to fuse with giri
jade dust
The main issue with dozogiri is that most dragonite players started to run haze
molten oasis
I wish that guy was better he’s so cool
molten oasis
The main issue with dozogiri is that most dragonite players started to run haze
Because dozogiri is fucking annoying
molten oasis
Wow nice paste
shadow wind
🥀
jade dust
dense latch
pokepaste got perished
jade dust
molten oasis
I kinda wanna do a final push with pao and Tera ground Zac in SV
shadow wind
Why does Gholdengo have a cool new sprite but my goat walking wake still looks cooked
shadow wind
I kinda wanna do a final push with pao and Tera ground Zac in SV
Groudon larp goes hard
molten oasis
Groudon larp?
jade dust
But yeah this team was so much fun
foggy lodge
Why does Gholdengo have a cool new sprite but my goat walking wake still looks c...
Farigiraf💔
molten oasis
Just admit you wish he was Groudon at that point
No that tech works pretty damn well
jade dust
Helping hand draco meteor giri was OHKO to dragonite
shadow wind
It unironically smokes my team so badly
jade dust
Through multi scale
dense latch
does anyone else use the 2d sprites
molten oasis
Catches incins and helps with Zac’s issues against fire and steel Tera
molten oasis
does anyone else use the 2d sprites
I love the 2d sprites
shadow wind
does anyone else use the 2d sprites
I don't dig the Groudon 2d sprite so nope
molten oasis
Zacian has a dope 2d sprite
molten oasis
3d sprites are like, hella inconsistent
shadow wind
Which is the whole point
shadow wind
3d sprites are like, hella inconsistent
It's true 😔
dense latch
i also dont like the home sprites on the builder
shadow wind
My team has a whopping 2 actual sprites
dense latch
2d sprites clear imo
shadow wind
molten oasis
Eww lmao
shadow wind
PNG squad
This team is so stupid too
I have no idea why this was the team that I got attached to
molten oasis
See I liked scarf Mirai for Zac
shadow wind
I have scarf Miraidon !
The Groudon set is criminal though I can't even say it's good
molten oasis
But my thing is like, I know kyogre is better
shadow wind
Better than who?
dense latch
better than mirai as a zacian partner
shadow wind
Oh yeah
foggy lodge
i also dont like the home sprites on the builder
I got used to them
Some shinies look better in the builder
shadow wind
Groudon Zacian is peak but so last gen
foggy lodge
I get to see Ogerpon's face instead of the cropped sprite from SV
shadow wind
The Groudon sprite looks almost identical so it's whatever to me
I'm still on the hunt for an avatar
shadow wind
Whoa the Lance masters2 one looks sick
foggy lodge
I wish I was a smogon player cuz I could have more chances to get a custom sprite
shadow wind
Dude that's what I'm saying
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/5a9b4e14073d02c1
Fine keep your ev spreads a secret, we didn't want them anyway
foggy lodge
lmfao
molten oasis
Fine keep your ev spreads a secret, we didn't want them anyway
I forgot my Evs
My cookies got wiped a little while ago
shadow wind
Man why can't Team Magma be cooler
dense latch
Fine keep your ev spreads a secret, we didn't want them anyway
yea how else am i supposed to know how to ev sash pao
shadow wind
Like team aqua has Archie AND Shelly
molten oasis
Idk part of me wants to try Lunala again but, Lunala Zac was so mid lmao
shadow wind
This is not fair
shadow wind
yea how else am i supposed to know how to ev sash pao
Max spdef moment
foggy lodge
yea how else am i supposed to know how to ev sash pao
4 HP❤️
shadow wind
Nah we always run 4 defense
dense latch
archie got a sick redesign maxie looks like a grandma
molten oasis
Lmfao
shadow wind
Dude Maxie looks like he's on reddit every single day 😭
molten oasis
Wait guys I got it!
dense latch
@foggy lodge i'm sorry you share 4/5 of a name with him
foggy lodge
I think I saw MDB crashing out over a 4HP Chien-Pao team that won a tour
molten oasis
-8ball should I play zacian with kyogre
gentle cragBOT
should I play zacian with kyogre
:8ball: Most likely
shadow wind
Archie is the chad and Maxie is the virgin 😔
molten oasis
dense latch
I think I saw MDB crashing out over a 4HP Chien-Pao team that won a tour
at this point what doesn't make mdb crash out
molten oasis
His crash outs are fucking hilarious
foggy lodge
<@797571447118757910> i'm sorry you share 4/5 of a name with him
lmfao
molten oasis
Hm
foggy lodge
at this point what doesn't make mdb crash out
Its a valid crash out tho
molten oasis
-8ball what if I did Zac korai
gentle cragBOT
what if I did Zac korai
:8ball: You may rely on it
foggy lodge
How do you manage to fuck up a 252 252 spread ngl
shadow wind
😭
dense latch
exactly lmao
molten oasis
-8ball what if groudon
gentle cragBOT
what if groudon
:8ball: It is certain
molten oasis
Wow okay
shadow wind
Knew it
molten oasis
Guess I’m torturing myself playing groudon
dense latch
he also tends to crash out about hp evs
shadow wind
dense latch
somehow has hp evs memorized
molten oasis
Brother had that shit ready LMAO
shadow wind
I did 😔
molten oasis
foggy lodge
I miss Brute Bonnet
molten oasis
Av wake kicks ass
shadow wind
Mostly cause I was searching my builder already
foggy lodge
I saw a video suggesting spore should get nerfed to 75% accuracy yeah no
molten oasis
I saw a video suggesting spore should get nerfed to 75% accuracy yeah no
Oh hell nah
Shut that guy up amoonguss is a healthy Mon
dense latch
I miss Brute Bonnet
have your amoonguss listen to evanescence for a bit he'll go brute bonnet in no time
shadow wind
More luck in pokemon !!!!!
foggy lodge
That's not even a real nerf just makes the game more ramdom
Also suggested intimidate should only activate once
molten oasis
foggy lodge
Yeah I love Koraidon having to worry about intimidate only once
molten oasis
I hate incin and all but that’s ass
shadow wind
Incin is the glue of VGC
dense latch
what if spore was sleep powder yea that seems like an awesome idea
molten oasis
Literally is
shadow wind
I hate the guy but I know he's required
foggy lodge
If someone thinks Incin needs a nerf that means they know nothing about VGC
shadow wind
Literally
molten oasis
I don’t think it needs buffs tho
foggy lodge
Maybe for previous gens it could have needed it but like man Incin is fine in SV
molten oasis
It’s fine how it is it has the tools it needs
foggy lodge
Leave it just like it is
shadow wind
Parting shot was a bit unnecessary
molten oasis
Maybe for previous gens it could have needed it but like man Incin is fine in SV
Before yes
Now nah it’s fine
dense latch
idk why it got knock off back
i miss darkest lariat incin it used to spin around so much
shadow wind
I feel like more mons should have knock off
shadow wind
If you're using Zacian probably yeah
molten oasis
K
shadow wind
You need a lead into Incin and Zacian isn't one
foggy lodge
I feel like more mons should have knock off
Umbreon gets it now
foggy lodge
I know singles players are crashing out over knock off Umbreon
shadow wind
I mean not really
foggy lodge
Probably doesn't matter for VGC
jade dust
I don’t like that Incin got knock off back
jade dust
If I was gonna change something was to remove knock off
shadow wind
What am I talking about
jade dust
But otherwise doesn’t need buffs or nerfs
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/00455d659d60fb50
Bulky groudon, what it do?
shadow wind
But yeah Umbreon with knock really isn't huge
shadow wind
Bulky groudon, what it do?
Let me open my damage calc !
foggy lodge
If I nerfed Incin I would remove parting shot from its moveset
Cuz like it still has u turn and u turn is still kinda broken
shadow wind
I think it can live Press and Astral from non lorb?
foggy lodge
And some mons now got parting shot so
It would give them a niche to be used over Incin
molten oasis
Sableye and scrafty which is scary
shadow wind
DUDE
jade dust
If I nerfed Incin I would remove parting shot from its moveset
Nah no need to
If you did that
shadow wind
Oh my god imagine if Umbreon got parting shot
jade dust
All would run vest and u turn
foggy lodge
Nah
shadow wind
Will o wisp and taunt
foggy lodge
Incins without AV still ran u turn
molten oasis
Yep
jade dust
Yes
jade dust
But then would be even better with vest
foggy lodge
I liked Dyl's logic for u turn over parting shot which was just like
jade dust
And av tends to go on a lot of other guys
Mainly Rilla and hands
molten oasis
Yes
foggy lodge
So what makes parting really better than u turn
Cuz I think that chip damage is super critical sometimes
And more for a format like SV has where it has a lot of clam mons or anti stat debuff moves things
shadow wind
Bulky groudon, what it do?
252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 116 HP / 188 SpD Groudon: 150-177 (78.9 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 116 HP / 188 SpD Groudon: 82-97 (43.1 - 51%) -- 5.5% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 116 HP / 4 Def Groudon: 152-180 (80 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
These are all that I could find 😔
Nothing super meaningful
jade dust
I find it funny but very dumb than in caly ice mirror matches it’s always trading glacial lance till one faints
Resisted glacial lances
molten oasis
252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 116 HP / 188 SpD Groudon: 150-1...
Eh it’s smth
shadow wind
It's nothing crazy optimized but it's kinda just general bulk
molten oasis
How key were volc and bonnet? I’m definitely doing groudon Zac pao and wake
foggy lodge
I'm leech seeding that Groudon
shadow wind
76+ Atk Sword of Ruin Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 186-218 (92.5 - 108.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
Leech seed CIR was so funny I miss it
dense latch
i never used it
foggy lodge
I had a tera electric lefties CIR on my builder
shadow wind
How key were volc and bonnet? I’m definitely doing groudon Zac pao and wake
Volc is really nice for Zama but that's about it
dense latch
hhp my goat
shadow wind
Bonnet was super good into Kyogre teams but they can both be replaced
molten oasis
-8ball groudon over kyogre?
gentle cragBOT
groudon over kyogre?
:8ball: Most likely
shadow wind
😝
molten oasis
-8ball groudon over miraidon?
gentle cragBOT
groudon over miraidon?
:8ball: My reply is no
shadow wind
😔
gentle cragBOT
miraidon over Lunala?
:8ball: It is decidedly so
molten oasis
-8ball miraidon over koraidon?
gentle cragBOT
miraidon over koraidon?
:8ball: Outlook not so good
shadow wind
molten oasis
shadow wind
Oh this team was cool
molten oasis
-8ball koraidon over groudon?
gentle cragBOT
koraidon over groudon?
:8ball: Outlook good
shadow wind
Shucks
molten oasis
Koraidon, Miraidon, Groudon, Kyogre, Lunala
foggy lodge
I want to use Lunala again man
shadow wind
I want to use Lunala again man
Then play Reg J !
You'll be shocked at how much nicer it is than Reg H
foggy lodge
To get cheesed by shadow claw Arceus🥀
molten oasis
Lmao
shadow wind
To get cheesed by shadow claw Arceus🥀
Better than losing to a +3 +3 Ape with a max rage fist in my opinion
Also it's only doing like 40% to Lunala
gentle cragBOT
CSR over Koraidon
:8ball: My reply is no
shadow wind
Good
molten oasis
Good
dense latch
i cant wait to get high enough to spam 8ball
shadow wind
252+ Atk Arceus Shadow Claw vs. 132 HP / 172 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 78-92 (34 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Without electric seed
molten oasis
sigh
shadow wind
Dude this Arceus guy is such a massive fraud
dense latch
idek how high of a level i have to be at
dense latch
252+ Atk Arceus Shadow Claw vs. 132 HP / 172 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 78-92 (34...
ew
shadow wind
idek how high of a level i have to be at
I heard 1200s was the level
molten oasis
I’ve been here a long time
shadow wind
After hitting 1200s for the first time I just started gambling
molten oasis
-8ball we staying on pao Zac?
gentle cragBOT
we staying on pao Zac?
:8ball: My reply is no
molten oasis
shadow wind
Do you guys remember your first like real peak on ladder?
molten oasis
-8ball what about shifu Zac
gentle cragBOT
what about shifu Zac
:8ball: Outlook good
molten oasis
-8ball what if chien poo instead
gentle cragBOT
what if chien poo instead
:8ball: Better not tell you now
molten oasis
Wow it does not want me on chien pao
Fuck it imma build the team off 8ball and I currently have shifu korai Zac, lmfao
shadow wind
What the heck
dense latch
I’ve been here a long time
same but i was on hiatus for a bit
shadow wind
I hit 1600 back in 2024 Feb
dense latch
peep this old ass message
molten oasis
-8ball incineroar?
gentle cragBOT
incineroar?
:8ball: Yes, definitely
gentle cragBOT
amoonguss?
:8ball: Cannot predict now
molten oasis
-8ball bonnet?
gentle cragBOT
bonnet?
:8ball: Without a doubt
gentle cragBOT
flutter?
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again
molten oasis
-8ball flutter?
gentle cragBOT
flutter?
:8ball: My sources say no
molten oasis
-8ball bolt?
gentle cragBOT
bolt?
:8ball: Without a doubt
shadow wind
Oh nah
molten oasis
Korai Zac shifu bonnet incin and raging bolt holy shit I suck into fairies LMAO
dense latch
yea
molten oasis
How do you check first message?
dense latch
in:competitive_discussion from:yourusername then sort by oldest
shadow wind
^
foggy lodge
PSYSPAM PLAYER
foggy lodge
WHAT
shadow wind
Bro my showdown account isn't even old
This was from 2024 Feb
On valentines day bro, I really had nothing better to be doing
molten oasis
PSYSPAM PLAYER
FALSE
shadow wind
lmao the full stops
So happy I'm not doin that anymore
dense latch
molten oasis
(Im literally playing Delphox Dede but shush)
foggy lodge
On valentines day bro, I really had nothing better to be doing
I feel you
molten oasis
So, 2ish years
shadow wind
Dude has a 77.5% in doubles ou
molten oasis
Almost 3
dense latch
Wait Erik you've been playing mons since 2021?
i played for a few months, it got boring once dmax came back so i quit for 3 years
shadow wind
molten oasis
Also used to be an idiot
dense latch
i didnt have to learn everything again but i was ass still
shadow wind
Also used to be an idiot
Man we all were
molten oasis
Ok but I was like, prime “I won’t use anything but my favorites” for a while
dense latch
Dude has a 77.5% in doubles ou
i was trying to get those ladder medals
molten oasis
2 formats of it
shadow wind
I remember one of my first interactions in here I was the hugest Groudon glazer and was just rude about it
And y'all treated me accordingly
Glad I got that arrogance out
molten oasis
Yeah same, I got much better about the game
shadow wind
And I've accepted that Groudon is not top 5 restricteds so my head isn't clouded with that
molten oasis
-8ball are you sure about Zac korai?
gentle cragBOT
are you sure about Zac korai?
:8ball: Very doubtful
shadow wind
Yknow what's wild is that I think I won an online tour before I even joined this server 😭
gentle cragBOT
Zac Mirai?
:8ball: You may rely on it
foggy lodge
@molten oasis ask rotom if balance muy serio is the call for a limitless tour
molten oasis
-8ball is Zacogre better?
gentle cragBOT
is Zacogre better?
:8ball: You may rely on it
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> ask rotom if balance muy serio is the call for a limitless...
Ok
dense latch
i used to feel so out of place in this server lol
first few months or so
shadow wind
Yo wait this guy is the goat at mix n mega
molten oasis
-8ball is balance muy serio the call for a limitless tour
gentle cragBOT
is balance muy serio the call for a limitless tour
:8ball: My reply is no
molten oasis
Damn
foggy lodge
Fuck you
molten oasis
LMAO
dense latch
Yo wait this guy is the goat at mix n mega
man what a format
shadow wind
The only OM I was locked in on was full potential
dense latch
i'll hit 80% everywhere but in vgc
molten oasis
-8ball so Zacogre>zac Mirai
gentle cragBOT
so Zacogre>zac Mirai
:8ball: Most likely
molten oasis
welp
foggy lodge
i'll hit 80% everywhere but in vgc
Lmao
shadow wind
Dude you gotta account fodder
foggy lodge
Maybe we have to play singles
molten oasis
dense latch
Dude you gotta account fodder
you don't want to know how many alts i have
molten oasis
I do
molten oasis
Wow
dense latch
shadow wind
Wait how do you check that
foggy lodge
Maybe singles is the hyperbolic time chamber and once champions comes out we become super good in VGC
dense latch
password manager on google
foggy lodge
Do what MDB and Pokeaim did
molten oasis
-8ball is Mak speaking facts?
gentle cragBOT
is Mak speaking facts?
:8ball: It is decidedly so