competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

It's always ended miserably for me.

[foggy lodge]

I remember using plate

Incin was super annoying but if you had the tools you could overcome that

And the boost is big

Hirofumi ran NMI with like 4 attack investment CIR lol

[dense latch]

if your opponent is bringing incin into your kyogre + lorb urshifu then you should be happy

[stone trellis]

^

[dense latch]

i tried cary's team for a bit nmi was pretty nice

[foggy lodge]

Leech seed is funny until it misses

[stone trellis]

It's like my hatred for CSR, it may not be reasonable at all.

[foggy lodge]

Had 3 games in a row at some point where the vod review was "I would have won but leech seed missed"

[stone trellis]

It's just me being unreasonably angry that the motherfucking CB Shifu called I was going to go Tera Fairy, so it used Poison Jab into my Tera Grass CSR, thus stopping me from ever getting to use Giga Drain.

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[stone trellis]

That and the fucking Snarl miss into two crits.

The current record for Snarl misses onto CSR is five.

The total amount of missed Snarls is also 5.

[foggy lodge]

Giga drain csr feels so old now

[stone trellis]

It was back in March, I think.

[foggy lodge]

In my times we used sitrus berry draining kiss csr

[stone trellis]

Anyway, do you have 50 Dark Tera Shards?

[foggy lodge]

I think I spent all already

[stone trellis]

Fuck.

[foggy lodge]

I'd have to check

I doubt I'm making teams in SV anymore so if I have I'll let you know

[stone trellis]

That's good to know.

[foggy lodge]

But I'm not sure if I have I use tera dark quite often lol

[stone trellis]

Same here.

Tera Dark Snarl on Miraidon is such a fun concept.

Tera Electric isn't going to pick up any OHKOs that regular won't, so there's no reason to force it.

(I'm AV)

[dense latch]

tera electric drift always kos shadow rider while non tera doesn't always

yea you can snarl it but they also have tera

[stone trellis]

That's why I have Spirit Break.

[dense latch]

sets without a boosting item for mirai need tera electric or else the damage isn't great

[stone trellis]

I don't know, I just can't convince myself to run Tera Electric.

It feels shit.

But aight.

I kind of want Discharge over Volt Switch, to be honest.

Pivoting hasn't been important even once and being able to do spread damage is nice (especially with the 30% para).

Now I just need a nickname for my team.

[sly lynx]

would anybody be interested in helping me refine these ivs?

https://pokepast.es/8a29a34c5468e5e0

[stone trellis]

1. Why Pollen Puff?

[sly lynx]

happy to hear other suggestions

not super sold on the clefairy

[stone trellis]

Generally, Specs Miraidon tends to be faster and frailer.

[sly lynx]

idk i haven't played competitive in a while

[stone trellis]

You can go 20 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe Modest.

As for Iron Hands, I think a good AV spread is 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 Spe with a Brave nature and 0 Speed IVs.

[dense latch]

psychic > pollen puff on shadow rider
i'd do drain punch over volt switch on hands too, give it more spdef, it's more valuable on an iron hands av set
draco meteor is miles better than pulse
i don't see what tera grass tera blast does over overheat
sitrus berry is kinda meh in a format where there's unnerve calyrex everywhere

[dense latch]

you mean 236 spdef right

[stone trellis]

Yeah, right.

And 220 Adamant Incin is kinda...

You really want that physical bulk most of the time.

[dense latch]

i dont think icy wind will get you much value honestly, helping hand is probably better

[short quiver]

hey @cyan smelt how did my team end up doing in the gc 😁

[stone trellis]

And generally, Chi-Yu likes being Modest more.

[dense latch]

yea no need for timid with a scarf set

[stone trellis]

I still need a nickname for my team.

GlacialDrift is too long.

[sly lynx]

ok these are all real great. thanks for taking the time yall

lmk if anything else comes to mind

[stone trellis]

PTFK (Protect the Frozen King)?

[short quiver]

bro over here playin chess while we playin checkers chat

[stone trellis]

?

[short quiver]

it was a reference

[stone trellis]

I missed it.

[bold geode]

?

[short quiver]

yeah i can tell

[stone trellis]

So what's the reference?

@short quiver

[hallow quartz]

how does this team work

[stone trellis]

Ice Rider uses Leech Seed to keep itself alive while also chipping away at its opponents, Kyogre blows them up.

Basculegion helps Kyogre blow stuff up, Grimmsnarl makes the team harder to blow up via screens, Amoonguss redirects key attacks and Flutter Mane helps control the pace of the battle while also being another fast offensive piece.

[stone trellis]

What's the closest endgame you've had in a VGC match?

[real prairie]

does a archaludon +6 defence body press-off count? lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah I mean I’ve had end games where 2 tera fairy choice Miraidons are clicking Draco

[stone trellis]

The closest one to me was this.

I had a Tera Poison Lorb Lando against a Scarf Lando who was locked into Sludge Bomb.

[shadow wind]

You should definitely win that

Poison chance and way more damage

[stone trellis]

It's Sheer Force, I won.

[shadow wind]

Like probably more than double damage

Stab + sheer force + lorb

Just a stupid amount of multipliers

2.5x damage holy smokes

Thank god that mon has Tapu koko special attack

[stone trellis]

It has Tapu Koko's Attack.

Even Lando-T has 105.

They are both stronger special attackers than Tapu Koko off sheer stats.

[shadow wind]

They need to buff bro

He was made with the 1.5x terrain boost in mind

[stone trellis]

They're not doing it.

[shadow wind]

Definitely not

[stone trellis]

It's a physical Electric type whose name doesn't bigin with "Iron" and end with "Hands", it never stood a chance.

[shadow wind]

I mean it would’ve seen high usage I feel in something like Reg F

[stone trellis]

No shit.

But they're not buffing it.

And they will never buff Play Rough.

[shadow wind]

Crazy how they made play rough so bad compared to moon blast

I always found it weird how they made special moves better

[foggy lodge]

We needed Tapu Fini

Istg Tapu Fini fixes all of SV metagames problems

[stone trellis]

The Water-Fairy one?

[foggy lodge]

I wish I could use Tapu Fini to not get blizzard dire clawed scale shot into the abyss

[stone trellis]

Doesn't it die to Miraidon?

[shadow wind]

Doesn’t every single water type die to Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

What doesn't die to Miraidon tbf

[shadow wind]

What a stupid question

[foggy lodge]

It still would be fine into Miraidon

[stone trellis]

Sash Urshifu, Ice Rider, AV Rilla...

[shadow wind]

Yeah it wins the terrain war

[stone trellis]

That's fair.

[foggy lodge]

Like yeah it dies to draco but you can have things like Landorus Tapu Fini and pin it

[shadow wind]

And Misty terrain makes Draco half as strong

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

And doesn't boost dazzling gleam

But our only misty terrain setter its Geezing

[shadow wind]

I would have rocked a Groudon Fini team

[foggy lodge]

Well Whimsicott and Grimmsnarl can run it as the 4th move

Klefki has used it too but

[shadow wind]

Nah it’s not the same

[foggy lodge]

Its not the same you are spending a turn to set it and have to slot it over another move

[stone trellis]

This.

[shadow wind]

The Tapus are like 18x cooler than the Ruination guys

And I don’t think it’s close

[foggy lodge]

I like ruination guys

[stone trellis]

Chi-Yu and Chien-Pao any day.

[foggy lodge]

Wo Chien is a cool guy

[shadow wind]

They’re not bad I’m just a big gen 7 head

[foggy lodge]

Remember when Wo-Chien was actually used

[shadow wind]

I do remember this

[foggy lodge]

I miss reg g i miss my wife

[shadow wind]

Staring down Sneasler Indeedee, “I think I miss my wife”

[stone trellis]

Prime Garchomp fodder.

[foggy lodge]

Does Garchomp even live expanding force + close combat

[stone trellis]

Sneasler, not Indeedee.

And no, it doesn't.

[shadow wind]

Never in a million years

I’ve been thinking of running SD chomp recently

This is me reinventing the wheel

[stone trellis]

SD over ST?

[foggy lodge]

I was considering goggles chomp

[shadow wind]

Yup

[stone trellis]

Still Lorb?

[shadow wind]

Eq and dragon claw

[foggy lodge]

Idk I think there's too much Rilla for it

[shadow wind]

There is a lot of Rilla

But that’s why you pair Garchomp with a flying type

Take to the skies and explode that monkey

[stone trellis]

I wish I could give Dnite a good Flying type move that doesn't miss.

[shadow wind]

Tera blast is an option

[stone trellis]

Tera Flying?

You cheeky bastard.

[shadow wind]

Just make a rip off Lando

[stone trellis]

Oh wait, I gave that to my Kingambit already.

[shadow wind]

Tera flying is pretty good one right now

There’s 1 electric type in the format

[stone trellis]

Tera Electric Arch?

[foggy lodge]

Kilowattrel!

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[foggy lodge]

Nah it's buzz

Kilowattrel is fine tho

Its a niche pick on P2 Ursa teams

[stone trellis]

That one's a Garchomp victim through and through.

[foggy lodge]

Disquake tailwind stuff

And uhhhhhh

[stone trellis]

I'm kind of hooked on SD Chomp, to be honest.

[foggy lodge]

What other electric type

[shadow wind]

Rotom gaming

[foggy lodge]

Don't punish yourself in this way

Rotom in big 2025

[stone trellis]

So I have:

• Choice Scarf Hisuian Typhlosion
• Cloak Whimsicott (I think, can't recall what the item was)
• Eject Pack Torkoal
• Lorb SD Chomp
• Standard Dnite
• AV Tera Flying Kingambit

Did I cook?

[foggy lodge]

Tubnation stream‼️

[chrome knot]

ugarte team lol

[stone trellis]

He used Jumpluff.

Difference is that Whimsicott always sets Sunny Day before Typhlosion can move.

So I can still send Pelipper to hang out with Michael Jackson up in heaven.

[oak finch]

11 game win streak on cart, made it to Master Ball finally

[forest arrow]

Orthworm

[shadow wind]

Gg

[chrome knot]

pluff has sleep powder & redirection

[stone trellis]

You think I don't know that?

I don't care!

[chrome knot]

xd

[stone trellis]

Getting Sun back up before my big nuke uses its strongest move is more important than putting things to sleep or redirecting them.

[chrome knot]

live torkoal reaction

[stone trellis]

Typhlosion hits way harder than Torkoal.

[chrome knot]

pluff is also very fast so youd prob have it back anyways😭

[stone trellis]

Scarf Typhlosion.

It hits 225 Speed.

[oak finch]

and did it all with a reg I team lol

[stone trellis]

Most Reg J players use Reg I teams.

[stone trellis]

Evidently, that's way more than Jumpluff's maximum of 178 without sun.

[chrome knot]

scarf in this economy

[stone trellis]

Outspeeds Scarf Basculegion.

Which did come up quite a bit, actually.

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1970246737320169980?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

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[bold geode]

I think Sun is in an absolutely horrendous spot rn

[pulsar cloak]

$300 holy

You can buy a whole switch with that

[oak finch]

Oof

that’s $56usd

[bold geode]

Excuse me, does that say 300 bucks to register?

[oak finch]

In Brazilian Real

[next stump]

ye definitely brazil currency

[bold geode]

Tf you

[next stump]

that would be hilarious $300 USD LOL

[oak finch]

Yes it says R$ lol

[bold geode]

Is Brazilian money actually called Real?

[oak finch]

Real

[bold geode]

Lmao

[pulsar cloak]

Oh

[bold geode]

I'm finna respond to Brazilian people with Real just to confuse them

[oak finch]

Guarantee all of the twitter replies are just this

“Nintendo is greedy!1!1!”

[bold geode]

Just a bunch of pictures of Brazilian money

[next stump]

i’m really happy there’s one IC in Reg H at least this year

i feel like it’s more fun to watch than the legendary formats

[foggy lodge]

If its in brazilian currency then its actually quite cheap

In dollars is like 55-65 dollars

[next stump]

I bet you can break even or make a profit just by selling the swag you get

like the hat and mat

[foggy lodge]

Can marcofiero win LAIC for 3rd time in a row

I wonder if he will even use his usual team

Charizard Jumpluff was super low in usage at the regionals

[next stump]

my friend was running it and went 7-1 day one but lost some steam in day 2 and couldn’t make cut

if you’re super practiced with the team it can definitely still work

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it can work

Its still marco he can make it work

[left bobcat]

Did someone say $300?

[oak finch]

300 real

[visual flume]

Can you use rental teams for the players cup?

[next stump]

do you mean the grand challenges? if so then you cannot use rentals

[oak finch]

at least its Reg H 😁

[visual flume]

Grand challenge yeah

[halcyon basalt]

How's Slither Wing in VGC? Any good value? Was thinking of opening him and Koraidon for a Sun Abuser team

[oak finch]

yeah you'll need to catch and train, but with no restricteds at least you can hopefully do it in one game depending onteam

[visual flume]

Alr thanks

(Pain ensuing)

[oak finch]

if anythings confusing or you need tips just ask here most people are helpful 🙏 gl

[rustic mountain]

think i might be able to play this next gc

[next stump]

unfortunately not super strong

[oak finch]

Same

[next stump]

but you could force it if it’s a favorite

[visual flume]

How does one legally acquire an ursaluna

[next stump]

regular or bloodmoon

[oak finch]

bloodmoon is from DLC, regular is Arceus only i think?

[halcyon basalt]

I do like it a lot. I think I could make it work despite this egregious stat spread they gave it

[next stump]

yeah it’s arceus, trading, or PoGo

I bet it wouldn’t take much to get an Ursaluna from HOME trades or even in this discord

[oak finch]

Home GTS annoys me so much, theres like 50 raging bolt listings that are impossible to complete, because they request pokemon like Alolan Sandshrew that can enter BDSP

[visual flume]

I meant bloodmoon

Dang im not tryna buy the dlc

[oak finch]

good luck then lol 😭

you can try trade for it but a lot of key competitive pokemon are blue blueberry dex

[visual flume]

Pain

[oak finch]

if its any consolation its fun?

[rustic mountain]

could always wait for champions to roll around and see if its atleast obtainable to use in that game otherwise yea quite a few instances of mons only having specific instances of unlocking them

[foggy lodge]

Pog

I'm gonna lock a 0 prep team to the GC because I don't have time to play🔥

[left bobcat]

Rent? GASP not freeeeee

[jade dust]

Any tips for playing Dozo?

[dapper crag]

Tatsugiri

[jade dust]

Lmao besides that

I have this team

https://pokepast.es/create

[dapper crag]

Bulk up body press

[jade dust]

Idk if the evs are optimal

[dapper crag]

Or you could try curse wave crash

[oak finch]

nice team

[jade dust]

The idea is to use perish song with tatsugiri out

Then it will faint inside Dozo

I can switch in Sylveon and psych up

[dapper crag]

Tatsugiri might not survive 3 turns

Its frail

[jade dust]

I’m not planning to

Protect perish song

Switch Dozo immediately after

Then stall the perish counter with Dozo

[dapper crag]

Workshop it and lmk how it goes

[jade dust]

Well

[dapper crag]

Might be a good idea to bring shadow tag

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2447081051

It is fun for sure

Politoed gives me a rain mode too

With Archaludon

[dapper crag]

I hate arch

[jade dust]

But Idk what to do with Poli and giri evs

I made giri a glass cannon cuz not always it’s treated and can fire a draco meteor or muddy water if it’s not in danger or predict the opponents expect protect

Poli same cuz I gave it sash

Tho maybe a bulky build would be better

Idk it’s mainly there just to click perish and give me rain

[dapper crag]

Have you considered

Ursaluna

[oak finch]

Registrations for Auckland SPC are opening this week, for Jan 2026

@cyan smelt were you still considering?

seems so early to register 😭

[dapper crag]

The early bird catches the worm

[cyan smelt]

Nah I'm not going, it'll probably cost $1000

[oak finch]

fair lol

4 hour tournament 9am-1pm 😭

[oak finch]

this early bird already spent $2,000 to get there

[stone trellis]

I just want to use SD Chomp, to be honest.

So I was planning to use the one Reg H team I know works well with regular Chomp.

[dapper crag]

The early bird is very committed

[cyan smelt]

I hope U win

[oak finch]

i hope i can even register 😭

they just made a giant post saying "registration is opening soon" no more info

the page is up tho https://playlatam.net/tournaments/Kpuxxk

[jade dust]

I had ursaluna before Sneasler

But I don’t have trick room so

[dapper crag]

How about maushold

[visual flume]

Do i have to actually transfer the pokemon from pla to violet to see iv’s or can i see it in pokemon home?

Im trying to evolve an ursaring into ursaluna but want to make sure it 0 speed iv and dont know an easy way to do this

[dapper crag]

Not sure

[oak finch]

couldnt you catch the 0 speed iv in violet then transfer it

[visual flume]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-gif-15484253710579183342

This is the gif of lil yachty and drake and the computer finding a solution

[visual flume]

Yes

[oak finch]

[dapper crag]

This sounds like a problem that florges could solve

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2447412583-90yhfroo3474f2l6bnfhleorey1s7x6pw

@dapper crag

[dapper crag]

Oh hey I see ursaluna

[dapper crag]

Okay you’re the devil for that psych up

Stay away from me and my future children and their grand kids

[jade dust]

Lol

This is fun tho

I often have to sacrifice poli to get this going

So it’s often a 2v4

[dapper crag]

You should try florges symbiosis + booster energy mon

[jade dust]

?

Booster energy when paradox are banned

[dapper crag]

Wait mb

https://tenor.com/view/pop-team-epic-i-dont-know-i-dont-understand-i-dont-get-it-nod-gif-25890418

I meant a consumable item with symbiosis

Paradox mons are just the first thing that came to mind

[jade dust]

Well

Sylveon had throat spray

But idk if 2 pure fairy types are a good idea

This team is very strong if I get my plan going but it’s easily denied by haze

[dapper crag]

I just thought florges because of how tanky it is

But any symbiosis mon could work

[jade dust]

Usually I have a 2v4 with only Sylveon and Dozo left but with +2 in all stats Sylveon I can blow through my opponents team

Those hyper voice OHKO duraludon

This team allows me to have a mini Xerneas

[dapper crag]

You better stop breaking the universe

[oak finch]

catching my reg H team in game and trying to resist the urge to beast ball them all

[dapper crag]

Do it

[oak finch]

ive got 2 already

[dapper crag]

Is your friend malamar

[visual flume]

On a related not whats the best way to try and get a zero speed iv tediursa

[knotty mirage]

For indeedee female which one is the more important 0 speed or 0 attack ?

[sinful lodge]

it is a special attacker so no attack is good

[solid frigate]

I just don’t care too much about speed cuz 94 speed is enough to under speed Most Rillaboom anyway

[knotty mirage]

So no good attack is better aight

[solid frigate]

If you care about foul play too much then yea

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 876: Indeedee-F

Types

Psychic/Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Synchronize, Psychic Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/55/65/95/105/85

Total

475

Base Species

Indeedee

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

You can just run a -Atk Nature and it’s already has low at attack

[cyan smelt]

nobody is clicking foul play into indeedee lol

[solid frigate]

I don’t think Foul Play is that relatively common in the last two Regionals

[cyan smelt]

thinking of a core of greninja ape, ninetales and garchomp, maybe i should playtest to see who else to add, i can see it struggling with indeedee sneasler

[shadow wind]

Could go AV Archaludon

I bet Arch Gren lead makes Archaludon just not fun to deal with

[strange fjord]

Nah, gotta go Wolfe's Incineroar holding a Chople Berry to counter Snealser Indeedee.

/j

[shadow wind]

All that to probably get dire slept 🥀

[strange fjord]

[shadow wind]

Also been thinking about Metagross

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 376: Metagross

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Clear Body, Light Metal (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/135/130/95/90/70

Total

600

Other Formes

Metagross-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

Like this dude has solid stats

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 700: Sylveon

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Pixilate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/65/65/110/130/60

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

Pizza what are your thoughts on Metagross gaming

I’m thinking grassy seed idbp

[cyan smelt]

metagross is kinda slow isn't it

[shadow wind]

Yeah 70 base speed

[oak finch]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-rub-hands-patrick-star-evil-plan-gif-15072939

trick room

[cyan smelt]

i was trying gimmicky cheese with metagross, bulldoze weakness policy explosion

[shadow wind]

I mean clear body allows it

Maybe not explosion though

He’d probably like to keep those boosts

[cyan smelt]

the rest of the team wasn't good so i was losing a lot

and i gotta admit i didn't like being locked into bulldoze with ape

[shadow wind]

Yeah it’s not great

Especially if they decide to defiant it up

[cyan smelt]

mence is probably better than ape now that i think about it

[shadow wind]

So if I go Metagross + Rillaboom I need a top notch water and fire type defensive core

[cyan smelt]

can't go wrong with pelipper or basculegion

[shadow wind]

Rain 🥀

[cyan smelt]

basculegion has been on snow

metagross would probably really like screen support

[shadow wind]

Bascu doubles up on ghost and dark weaknesses with Metagross which is not peak

[oak finch]

im trying to draft my first team for the GC with reg H, ive only played/teambuilt restricted formats before. I really like this core (mainly from watching regionals, lol)
Gholdengo
ANinetales
Dragonite
Sinistcha

but idk what to support with, i have incin and bloodmoon rn but they feel out of place. its a trick room/tailwind team currently, any thoughts?

[shadow wind]

Screens isn’t really doing too hot in this reg

Cause I will never win that bulk up battle with MausApe

[cyan smelt]

archaludon really appreciates the healing from sinistcha mars

well then you're left with primarina as your water type if you don't want to use rain

[shadow wind]

Degen core of Rilla Prima Incin

[oak finch]

truee i forgot about the bridge

[cyan smelt]

or you could go specs blastoise like in the gc

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

Specs Blastoise is not real

[dapper crag]

It cant hurt you

[shadow wind]

Yeah you’re right, it can’t

[cyan smelt]

how about rotom wash

[shadow wind]

More like Rotom is washed

[oak finch]

would that mean i have tailwind, rain, and trick room in one team? lol

[cyan smelt]

milotic?

archaludon has gone power herb sturdy in this reg, doesn't need rain

[shadow wind]

Man I can figure it out myself, you don’t need to keep suggesting water types

I’m kinda just narrating my thoughts with this team that doesn’t exist yet

[cyan smelt]

yeah i should have iterated on my wp metagross idea

[dapper crag]

Might I suggest choice specs florges

[cyan smelt]

florges? in this sneasler economy?

[dapper crag]

Yes I know

But think about it

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna put mence and metagross in my builder

[dapper crag]

Or if you’re feeling daring, choice specs oranguru

[oak finch]

Gholdengo (CS steel tera, make it rain damage)
Alolan Ninetales (more damage, ice for dragon)
Dragonite (tailwind + scale shot with dice)
Sinistcha (rage powder, redirect, heal team)
Archaledon (electric damage + power herb)
Primarina (water + rain?)
seems like a lot but i see the vision

[cyan smelt]

i was suggesting primarina for conner

i honestly don't think doubling up on fairies is a good call

[dapper crag]

You’re missing one crucial mon

[oak finch]

hey i said incin in the og post 😭

[dapper crag]

Other than incin

[oak finch]

pelipper?

basculegion?

[dapper crag]

The frog that dances and makes it rain when it spawns

[oak finch]

and sings a song

[dapper crag]

Of course

Who could forget that? Its one of its defining traits

[oak finch]

ill run perish trap all the way to SPC

[dapper crag]

Just having perish song is a good check

Cuz it forces setup sweepers to switch or get K.Oed

[oak finch]

Gholdengo
ANinetales
Dragonite
Sinistcha

so trying arch and politoed here

[dapper crag]

Not a bad dup

Duo*

[oak finch]

i'll try it, thanks 🙏

[oak finch]

if i can get top 50% and 3CP from oceania's GC leaderboard ill be happy

[cyan smelt]

don't run politoed and alolan ninetales together

[dapper crag]

Weather wars but on your own team

[oak finch]

of course

do i still bring it or swap ninetales for incin

[dapper crag]

Incin

[cyan smelt]

usually garchomp has good synergy with ninetales but you already have two dragons

[dapper crag]

Incin is very valuable

[oak finch]

damn never heard of it

[dapper crag]

Imagine shutting down a hearthflame ogerpon with intim

[oak finch]

surely it cant have that many good moves

[dapper crag]

Surely

[oak finch]

or buffs through multiple generations

2 dragons 2 ghosts 2 steels 😭

[dapper crag]

Perfectly balanced

As all things should be

Ever cooked a rotten meal in breath of the wild?

[oak finch]

many a time

im clearly skilled at it

[cyan smelt]

either scrap politoed or scrap ninetales

[oak finch]

yeah i think i gotta restart this one

[cyan smelt]

sinistcha arch maushold ape is how it usually goes

[dapper crag]

Idk why ninetales was there

[oak finch]

and focus on speed control through trick room?

[cyan smelt]

tr is an option yes, sinistcha is there for healing and redirection

[dapper crag]

Just use hatterene

[oak finch]

so arch is tanky with sinistcha helping it recover, then maushold/ape boosts its rage fist right

whats hatterene doing 🤨

1-4 w/l in some quick showdown matches

[cyan smelt]

are you using pasrs

[oak finch]

whats that

[oak finch]

im not using this i was just interested 😭

[cyan smelt]

useful spreadsheet, you input your team, put your replays in it and it analyses what you're losing to and what you're good against, what moves you use a lot and what moves you don't use and which mons are having success and which ones aren't

[oak finch]

sounds good, i'll look into it tomorrow thanks

gotta sleep for now 🙏

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2447496481

What a game

I think my positioning here was pretty good

To get around haze dragonite

@stone trellis

@dapper crag

[visual flume]

You think i could settle for a decent speed iv on ursaluna blood moon instead of no good

[real prairie]

Lots of Bloodmoon are used with Perfect IVs anyway

for tailroom antics

[dapper crag]

I have been summoned

[cyan smelt]

jack how's scyther going on your team

[jade dust]

Yeah I wanted to show you a game

The one above the tag

[real prairie]

Dropped it lol

[dapper crag]

Dm it to me I’ll watch when I’m home

[real prairie]

I am finally finding lines into these annoying balance teams https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2447527060-vq2gws5sip2vq3p9j027cr8kxp3w7l2pw

[jade dust]

Sure

[dapper crag]

This

Is my life now

[stone trellis]

How do you even recognise if a team's balance, offense or HO?

Stall is obvious.

I don't get what the difference between things like BO, balance, etc. is.

[dapper crag]

Options

[stone trellis]

I understand it on a theoretical level, but I don't have any examples in mind for any of those archetypes and I can't discern which one a team would classify as.

[solid frigate]

is it normal that i am guilty on being too lucky

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

I feel guilty too when High Horsepower lands for more than 5 times in a row.

[solid frigate]

i double freezed someone and double crit another person with seperate pokemon

where is my luck on anything else but pokemon

[dapper crag]

By any chance is your ability Super Luck

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2447571436-km9iinbh3vpy2yfuy7hov8at9lwii37pw

Your luck must've transferred to me.

[dapper crag]

Calyrex

[solid frigate]

atp you are just taunting lol

[waxen dock]

he just got a low roll

actually not a low roll

a mid roll

[stone trellis]

The crit on Ice Rider at the last turn.

That's what won me the game.

[stone trellis]

What do you mean?

[solid frigate]

idk why but it feels liek taunting even tho you can't control the outcome of that crit

[stone trellis]

How?

[solid frigate]

idk it just my thought

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2447585184

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-not-laughing-flightreacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-not-laughing-gif-6356142083741775471

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1970472370625286418

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

I have been playing my sun team on the showdown ladder and luckily it still works well!

X · Sep 23, 2025, 12:56 PM

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[stone trellis]

Is this team considered HO?

[real prairie]

Im shocked that player is anywhere near 1400

lead 2x weak mons to ice and stays in without tera

they were NEVER 2 shotting CIR even before the coaching, let alone after

but no, i wouldn't consider it ultra offensive

[stone trellis]

Probs expected me to lead Mirai.

[stone trellis]

So what would it be considered as?

[real prairie]

that i am struggling with

its got good support, maybe an offensive leaning balance lol

ultra offensive is me leading with Scarf Kyogre and hoping I don't get blown up 🤣

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[stone trellis]

So just plain offense?

[real prairie]

that sounds better lol

[waxen dock]

I really like ho

Regular ofdense is also good but maybe less

Just not balance

[real prairie]

Most players do as its the easiest to use, click buttons blow shit up

[stone trellis]

I never really vibed with HO.

I always make teams under the assumptions that every Pokemon has to be capable of both doing damage and supporting its team unless the immediate damage on one of the Pokemon counteracts its lack of support capability.

[molten oasis]

I like HO, but prefer balance

[bold geode]

How bout you balance deez nuts on your chin

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Pfft

[real prairie]

yeah its why im running a high attack Incin

[real prairie]

One of our helpers ladies and gentlemen 😉

speaking of, when do i get approved 👀 🤣

[bold geode]

Help Deez nuts

[stone trellis]

"Gentlement"

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-tea-tea-day-sipping-tea-gif-1069715392336747340

ofc theres a fucking typo in the GIF too fml

[stone trellis]

Talonflame after Gen 7:

[real prairie]

haha, some people were having success with Life Orb Talonflame, think it came 4th in the last GC

[stone trellis]

Nice.

Speaking of GCs, I want to run a team with SD Chomp and I don't know what I should do.

[bold geode]

Oh @real prairie you ready for the Rapture today

[real prairie]

?

[bold geode]

So do you know what the Rapture is

[real prairie]

You have lost me, whats today?

[bold geode]

No no I'll explain later
First off, do you know what the Rapture is

[real prairie]

im expecting another deez nuts joke

[bold geode]

No I'm being serious

[real prairie]

I know of the biblical rapture

[bold geode]

Yeah that one

So some South African pastor recently was like
Basically he saw a vision and was like "yeah the Rapture is gonna happen today or tomorrow"

[real prairie]

LOL

[bold geode]

And it's all over IG or wherever

[real prairie]

"Today or Tomorrow" isn't a very clear vision 🤣

[bold geode]

Like bro if the Lord takes me so be it but like
I'll believe it when I see it

[bold geode]

It was more today but

[solid frigate]

Tbf it is Instagram in 2025 where they don’t give a fuck about post being controversial or not so

[bold geode]

Yeah guys the Rapture is happening today

[real prairie]

I reset my instagram recommendations, now all i get are pretty horizons and porsche 911s lol

and im not mad tbh

[bold geode]

But like bro
This is the how many times that someone said OH THE WORLD IS ENDING

[solid frigate]

2012 anyone

[bold geode]

I haven't been on IG in a few years and I'm scared to look at it

[real prairie]

it ended in 2012, we are all just living in the remaining brain capacity after death

[bold geode]

It's a time capsule I don't wanna open

[real prairie]

it hasn't changed much, still the tiddy app

but now its Tiddies and adverts

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-go-cheering-rage-gif-16641949

Fuck ads

But like
Yeah the 2012 thing
"World is ending 2012"

World doesn't end

"Guys the Mayans were dyslexic, it's ending in 2021"

[solid frigate]

I don’t have the full clip but yeah basically

[solid frigate]

And bots

[real prairie]

My recommended on Insta 😭🤣

not sure how Zendaya has creeped in there, but again, not mad

[solid frigate]

At least that’s normal with the MCU Spider-Man gang

[real prairie]

id probably spend more time looking at the porsche's tbh, nearing that midlife crisis

im BRCA2 so tbh, now might well be my midlife 🤣 😭

[bold geode]

Knowing my edgy teen ass, there's probably tiddies and discriminatory jokes unfortunately

[real prairie]

Pretty much described mine before i reset it lol

[solid frigate]

Trust me,Instagram is not like it used to be

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

No
Sounds about right

Actually wait I remember
I opened IG last year but I didn't explore it

Cuz basically I was in a Wolfe Glick IG post

[real prairie]

You are doing yourself a favour tbh, Instagram now is just a death hole for doomscrolling reels for people who don't want to install Tiktok

[bold geode]

So basically Tiktoks but a year late

[real prairie]

exactly

often have that with my Mrs, ill show her something she will say "Yeah, saw it a month ago when it was posted on Tiktok"

[bold geode]

Real

I just go on Tiktok

[solid frigate]

And accounts with AI stuff act as a bait

What i am more suprised that is a lot of people fall for it

[real prairie]

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

[stone trellis]

Prankster Swagger + Own Tempo would be fun to run.

[solid frigate]

Man it’s like very easy to see what is a AI generated Human-

[real prairie]

I had a play with that with Ludicolo

[stone trellis]

Maybe Air Balloon and Tera Ghost to make the +2 EQs do funny damage.

[real prairie]

Prankster Swagger + Berry works just as well on something with an actual attack stat

[stone trellis]

Musdale has 125, gang.

And it has great natural bulk on top of Stamina.

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Has the ability Own Tempo

Results (33)

Slowpoke, Slowpoke-Galar, Slowbro, Slowbro-Galar, Lickitung, Slowking, Slowking-Galar, Smeargle, Lotad, Lombre, Ludicolo, Numel, Spoink, Grumpig, Spinda, Glameow, Purugly, Lickilicky, Petilil, Lilligant, Espurr, Bergmite, Avalugg, Rockruff-Dusk, Mudbray, Mudsdale, Indeedee-F, Tandemaus, Fidough, Tadbulb, Tinkatink, Tinkatuff, Tinkaton

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[hallow quartz]

have there been any deoxys teams that won any tournaments? its been a while since I've seen a deoxys

[stone trellis]

Deoxys isn't legal for tournaments.

[real prairie]

Mythicals have never been legal

[solid frigate]

It’s basically the same thing as Archaludon but with only one good type instead of two good types

And less flexible Movepool

[waxen dock]

I disagree with them

Ho isnt just clicking buttons

[stone trellis]

Archaludon isn't a great physical attacker, so why should I force it?

[real prairie]

Body press is all it needs lol

[stone trellis]

I want Swagger boosting EQ.

I don't care about Body Press.

[waxen dock]

Its defenitlt depends on the mu

[stone trellis]

Or any big spread move, to be honest.

I just know how GOATed EQ is.

[next stump]

I think I just played drago on the ladder but I don’t know his discord

If he’s running ninetales arcanine it was him

[stone trellis]

So is the team called Drago 9-9?

[solid frigate]

Are you playing specs Dengo

OMFG @tranquil kraken please help

[bold geode]

OMG

<@&663761167176433665>

I deleted it, y'all probably saw it mods

I forget I can do that LMFAO

[solid frigate]

If Dillon is playing Specs Dengo then that’s 100% Drago lmao

[next stump]

yeah I am hahaha

[stone trellis]

We see the perms, monke.

[bold geode]

I CAN DO MY J.. J..

[next stump]

how did you know

[bold geode]

J*B

[solid frigate]

Because he was just talking about it lmao

[bold geode]

Cuz he literally spoke about it in another server LOL

[cobalt tapir]

[next stump]

hahaha yeah that was me

gg

[bold geode]

Bro Paul have you seen the guy on Tiktok lives that aura farms as Piccolo

[bold geode]

Real

[stone trellis]

I don't have TikTok.

[bold geode]

Oh my God hold on

[molten oasis]

You did

I got boomed t1 lol

Specs dengo is so scary

Ggs tho

[bold geode]

@stone trellis

[stone trellis]

Perfect.

[tranquil kraken]

[tacit haven]

Is it just me? Or anybody else cant go online on scarlet? I do have a good conectikn and tested it and its really fine

[molten oasis]

Hehe top 300, good team

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 140 HP / 188 Def Mudsdale: 94-112 (48.7 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Indeedee Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 140 HP / 116 SpD Assault Vest Mudsdale in Psychic Terrain: 58-69 (30 - 35.7%) -- 27.3% chance to 3HKO
Oh yeah, it's all coming together.

Horse Pokemon try not to have great natural bulk challenge (difficulty level: impossible)

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 750: Mudsdale

Type

Ground

Abilities

Own Tempo, Stamina, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/100/55/85/35

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.4

[molten oasis]

Huh

[stone trellis]

What's up?

[dapper crag]

Endure is meta now

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/black-boy-elevator-confused-perplexed-concerned-gif-9645339648940675276

Are you serious?

[dapper crag]

No

Imagine if I was tho

[charred walrus]

What's the best dondozo build that uses Fissure?

[next stump]

Yawn/Protect/Wave Crash/Fissure

with leftovers and probably tera poison

[dapper crag]

Fissure dozo is wild

[charred walrus]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

curiousgeorge_5 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[charred walrus]

What's wrong with Fissure Dozo?

[dapper crag]

I don’t like it

[charred walrus]

Why not? I thought it was good? My friend used it against me and I had no answers for it

[charred walrus]

It dominated me

[solid frigate]

It’s just ummm

Not consistent as a whole

[dapper crag]

Use arch

Arch + rain

[charred walrus]

It worked extremely well against me

[charred walrus]

Who is arch? And I should build a rain team. Is Empoleon any good in rain comps?

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/drayton-drayton-pokemon-indigo-disk-adonciant-gif-16159963879859622212

Use the toad for rain

[solid frigate]

Probably one or few time thing

[solid frigate]

If your Rain team doesn’t have Archaludon in it you have major problems on that team

Mostly

[dapper crag]

Exactly

Thats how good archaludon is

[charred walrus]

Is he really that good?

[solid frigate]

Basically a Restricted level Pokémon in Reg H rule set

Wide Coverage,Massive Physical Bulk,Solid List of abilities,Literally has a move that synergise with Rain,Very solid typing,can be a raid boss if it’s possible

[stone trellis]

And even though it has the same special bulk as Hisuian Samurott, its typing and ability to hold the Assault Vest make it one tanky motherfucker on either side.

[halcyon basalt]

any ideas for a solar power charizard moveset?

[molten oasis]

Heat wave weather ball overheat air slash with specs

[halcyon basalt]

no sunny day?

[real prairie]

not on a specs set, no

sun is set up usually by Torkoal or Jumpluff

[halcyon basalt]

i was gonna lead with charizard and slither wing

but i could do charizard and koraidon

[solid frigate]

what format are you- Oh

Nah Chi Yu Over Zard

[halcyon basalt]

chi yu has solar power?

[real prairie]

Charizard power crept in Reg I/J

it needs Spec as is in reg H to threaten real damage

[halcyon basalt]

yeah but i try to make teams with pokemon i like

[craggy dagger]

what’s there not to like about chi yu

[solid frigate]

its a fish that does more than Zard

and better typing

[halcyon basalt]

i like chi yu a lot, i just want someone who covers my slither wing a little better

[solid frigate]

you kinda don't need it when there are other mons to help

and ummm

You aren't Sierra Dawn

[halcyon basalt]

idk who that is

[halcyon basalt]

dont need the slither wing?

[solid frigate]

zard and slither wing

[halcyon basalt]

you think chi yu pairs with him better?

[solid frigate]

basically the no.1 Slither Wing beliver in VGC community

You see her in casting in some VGC tournament Streams

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Enables Chi Yu better and you can deal with the Ghost types anyway

[halcyon basalt]

so Chi-Yu, Koraidon, Slither Wing, ???

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Chi Yu Flutter it thhe perfect fast core for Koraidon

[halcyon basalt]

chi yu, koraidon, flutter, slither?

[solid frigate]

Slither is like

Really bad.

[robust arrow]

Sliter is pretty okay

[solid frigate]

if you play singles then sure

but compare to what we have,its unremarkable

[robust arrow]

following your reasoning there is no point in teambuilding creatively

just use top meta and shut your yap

[halcyon basalt]

i was just trying to make a sun abusers team of pokemon that i like

[solid frigate]

its more like do you know how to play the niche and does the niche exclusive or good with the niche

[robust arrow]

not at all, that is a load of nonsense

using top meta Mons isn't a niche wtf

[robust arrow]

which you 100% should

unless you're competing in official tournaments, building creatively is what most of us want to be doing

[halcyon basalt]

im not in official tournaments, just trying to climb online

in a world of calyrex users 🙄

[molten oasis]

In a world where people like winning? Crazy

[solid frigate]

Brute Bonnet isn't Top Meta and niche is it does better than Amoonguss in sun ,survivability and deal with Shadow Rider

And yet it won worlds

Roaring Moon isn't top Meta and it niche is a untauntable by Prankster Mons,Fast enough Tailwind Setter with support.

It won San Antonio with Tailroom Calyrex Ice Rider and 2nd in Birmingham Regionals with Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Slither wing threatens nothing in the format and explodes to everything

It’s not worth it, unfortunately using favorites is typically really hard

And chi yu does the damage Zard does without needing sun and specs

[halcyon basalt]

fine ill just use flamigo

[molten oasis]

Flamigo doesn’t do enough

Not in a format of calyrexes and Miraidons

Not saying don’t, but it’s not worthwhile and makes the game 10x harder than it needs to be

[halcyon basalt]

it was a joke, you see a very popular youtuber went to nationals with a flamigo

[molten oasis]

In a format when it was actually good yeah

[robust arrow]

Brute Bonnet is very strong. We haven't played the same ladder I think.

It has been fairly prevalent on Sun teams and as a standalone offensive/utility Mon in various regulations.

[solid frigate]

which is just 2

[robust arrow]

It's been available for more then 2 regulations

Also Roaring Moon has been in a very good spot in many regulations

I don't think you have a good reading on the actual double metagame

[solid frigate]

yeah but only remarkable in 2 regulation

Well 1.5 cuz it wasn't fully on radar in Reg G 2 late phase

But you do you thinking everything is top meta

do they reach top 12 in the list tho

[robust arrow]

Insane self-report you just did

[robust arrow]

You confirmed not having a good reading on metagame

Always the community that is toxic, if only more players would be willing to research what they speak about a wee bit

[molten oasis]

Toxic for suggesting the best choices in the current meta game? He’s doing his best man

[halcyon basalt]

so slither wing is the best restricted legendary?

[molten oasis]

No, it’s arguably one of the worst paradox pokemon

[robust arrow]

That is your choice

[molten oasis]

Sure whatever man

[robust arrow]

you been antagonizing me since I came back

chill mate

[molten oasis]

How?

[robust arrow]

omegalul

[real prairie]

Silly jokes aside, the situation itself is no laughing matter. Beyond sickening

[molten oasis]

It’s vile

And I’m not gonna go into it here

But it’s bad

[real prairie]

No you are right, sorry should have thought first

I'll blame tiredness, apologise and leave it at that

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/82b3b92a4e30d674

I need thoughts

Actually I’d just appreciate opinions I don’t really need them

[molten oasis]

Interesting dnite set

[shadow wind]

I’m probably going to change it

[molten oasis]

On the rilla you could do drum beating for extra speed control but it looks fine

[shadow wind]

Ooh that could be cool

What secondary moves to Dnite run?

Oh it’s stomping

[molten oasis]

Espeed low kick stomping tantrum

Usually stomping

[shadow wind]

Espeed wouldn’t be bad either

Can never have too much prio especially with a boom

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

Thank you for the input 🙏

[molten oasis]

Ceru’s cool, seems fine here

[shadow wind]

Yeah it’s my Sneasler check

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

[shadow wind]

I might even run cloak

[real prairie]

If you are going power herb sturdy, just commit to draco imo

[shadow wind]

You think?

It’s never a bad option

[real prairie]

Absolutely. Need to threaten KOs off the gate imo

[shadow wind]

Hmm

How do I beat Arch

[real prairie]

Boosted draco does huge amounts

[buoyant coral]

Hey, can indeedee-M tank something in some level? (thanks to their awesome type)

[real prairie]

To the point I struggle against sturdy arch and considered tera fairy 🤣

[real prairie]

Depends on its set, but not usually, thus people running sash

[real prairie]

Max speed max attack on AV rilla?

[halcyon basalt]

my slither wing just won :D

[shadow wind]

IMO Rilla can run that this reg

And I feel like the team was missing some juice

(I’m also just stupid lazy and didn’t want to think too hard)

[real prairie]

Hahaha fair

Why so much speed investment in primarina? To outspeed stamina arch?

[halcyon basalt]

Hallo, my current team for ranked on Pokemon is (https://pokepast.es/278e9ac0f6730088)

any improvements to be had? going pretty good so far

[tawdry mesa]

why are there only 4 mons and u didnt max out evs

[halcyon basalt]

you can only use 4 mons

also i forgot the other two

with thier evs

[tawdry mesa]

fym only use 4

what format u playing vro

[heady onyx]

you bring 4 Mons out of a team of 6

If you are doing double battles

[lofty tartan]

It's bring six pick four.

[next stump]

if anyone is looking for a global challenge team that’s pretty fun, feel free to DM 🙂 just gotta keep it under wraps till after milwaukee cause some friends are bringing it

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-excited-this-guy-two-thumbs-jim-gif-14850417969904358366

[heady onyx]

u can only bring 4 Pokemon in Double Battles on cart or showdown. you bring 6 in Singles

[lofty tartan]

You're misunderstanding what I mean by "bring six pick four"

Your team, in doubles, usually consists of 6 pokemon.

I play Doubles on Cart.

You choose 4 each match.

Bring six, six being the team size, pick four, meaning you choose four each game.

[solid frigate]

In BSS it’s Bring Six Pokémon but picking up 3 Pokémon for a match

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I don't speak to singles because I don't play it. I'm strictly talking about doubles.

[solid frigate]

Yeah just a heads up

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

I already got something locked
Though I'm ngl
I saw a team a friend sent me talking about Milwaukee and I've never salivated over a team til then LMAO

[molten oasis]

[low viper]

Hey, quick question. Right now I’m planning to put together a team in-game. One of my Pokemon on showdown has 5 perfect IVs and 0 Atk IVs. Would it affect anything if I used a 6IV version of this mon instead of searching for one with 0 Atk IVs?

[shadow wind]

So in short yes, but in the long term if you aren’t going to regionals it shouldn’t matter

More attack means you take more from foul play and confusion self hits

[foggy lodge]

6 iv is almost no difference tbh

[low viper]

Ahh, ok

[shadow wind]

Yeah it like doesn’t matter at all

[foggy lodge]

Ceribelli won worlds with a suboptimal atk stat Farigiraf

Its nice to have those little optimizations

[shadow wind]

It matters yes but at the same time right now it shouldn’t matter at all

I don’t know the last time I saw a foul play

Murkrow I guess

[foggy lodge]

I like having them because its an excuse to grind for Pokémon and feel them my own

I also discovered my shiny Scream Tail is almost 100% optimal!!!

[shadow wind]

Almost 🥀

[foggy lodge]

It has 4 atk ivs but the foul play and confusion rolls don't change at all

[shadow wind]

Oh nice

[foggy lodge]

It would only matter against

Strength sap

Cuz they would recover 1 extra HP

[shadow wind]

If someone is strength sapping your Scream tail you should have no problem winning

[foggy lodge]

But like who is clicking strength sap into the 65 attack mon

[shadow wind]

Exactly

None of my mons are uber optimal

[foggy lodge]

At that point I am giving them a little treat

Like thanks for throwing strength sapping my scream tail here is an extra hp point

[shadow wind]

I also don’t make like any teams in game anymore

I’m missing my Groudon

I actually have no motivation to play Reg H

[foggy lodge]

I remember when I used tera grass groudon in a for fun tournament

It was so ass LMAO

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Valid

[shadow wind]

“Oh yes CIR just PLEASE hit me for super effective”

[foggy lodge]

Reg H sucks ngl

[shadow wind]

I’m just not having fun with it

I’m also stuck playing mobile right now so that doesn’t help

[foggy lodge]

Reg H made me realize that the only mon I genuinely hate is Alolan Ninetales

Disgusting mon

[low viper]

Reg H is my favorite, it’s why I’m back playing again lol

[shadow wind]

It does kinda suck to play against

[shadow wind]

Sneasler text box

[foggy lodge]

Alolan Ninetales text box

[low viper]

Lol

[foggy lodge]

But fair its kinda fun to watch

[low viper]

I do enjoy Alolan Ninetales

[foggy lodge]

Reg H regionals have been so funny so far

I saw Nicki Nicole and Lamine Yamal on stream at Frankfurt

[shadow wind]

I just have stupid self imposed rules so I can’t bring myself to run 90% of the meta

[foggy lodge]

Like what could be better

[foggy lodge]

I'm trying to play teams or atleast sets that aren't common

[waxen dock]

i think worlds may be my first vgc irl tour

[foggy lodge]

• Porygon2 player

[shadow wind]

Yeah like I refuse to play Ape or Sneasler

[waxen dock]

likw official tour

[foggy lodge]

lol that's so epic

Good luck brother

[foggy lodge]

I like Ape

[waxen dock]

idk if i even qualify

[foggy lodge]

But now like every single ape feels like its goggles

[waxen dock]

for now im in A GOOD POSITION

[foggy lodge]

And I feel like not playing goggles rn is throwing

You either play goggles ape scarf ape or sitrus berry with maushold

[shadow wind]

It’s just not fun

Rage fist needs a nerf

[foggy lodge]

It should be atleast resetted after switching

[shadow wind]

That or can’t be self imposed

[foggy lodge]

And Maushold isn't even a slow mon like what

[shadow wind]

Like defiant

But then I think stamina needs to be changed as well

[foggy lodge]

They gave it defiant on a mon with atleast decent stats on everything and rage fist as the cherry on top

[shadow wind]

Make them equals

[foggy lodge]

Idk I think stamina is fine

I think Archaludon is broken tho

[shadow wind]

I just think abilities should have some formalities

[foggy lodge]

But I think game freak balances more in the like restricteds metas

Or tried to balance more around the restricteds metas

[shadow wind]

Like defiant not being proc-able

[foggy lodge]

So I doubt those nerfs would happen

[shadow wind]

But stamina can

Just feels weird

And I would say they’re equally as good abilities

[foggy lodge]

I remember when one time I thought I was a genious by reading a double protect and self parting shot my Gambit and i just dropped my stats for free cuz they didn't even protect lmao

[shadow wind]

That’s unfortunate

[foggy lodge]

But yeah fair

I think stamina also checks physical teams so hard

[shadow wind]

And MausApe checks every team without Psyspam

[foggy lodge]

How do Zama teams beat Archaludon Kyogre actually

[shadow wind]

Why would they struggle?

[foggy lodge]

I mean stamina

Or nah

[shadow wind]

Any special attacker

Did you not see how hard Arch fell off in Reg G/I?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but if it was used hypothetically

Not like it matters cuz is the auto loss in 1 out of 100 MUs

[shadow wind]

I remember playing a Kyogre Arch team and Groudon did like 40% to a Tera bug Arch

I knew that guy was a fraud after that

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

How much does heat crash do

Archaludon is super light

[shadow wind]

In sun it definitely ohkos after tera bug

But I meant Pblades 😭

[foggy lodge]

Ain't no way

-def nature archaludon

[shadow wind]

I think I was running 252 adamant at the time

But yeah nah that guys only real in these kinds of formats

I want to play a true low power format

Why are there like 2 special attacking spread moves this Reg

Ok maybe 4

Give me astral barrage on like Misdreavus and everything is perfect

[foggy lodge]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 212 HP / 28 Def Tera Bug Archaludon: 49-58 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[shadow wind]

Is that spread damage?

[foggy lodge]

Must have been a Chien Pao

[foggy lodge]

No LOL

[shadow wind]

Oh it might’ve been

I was a big fan of Groudon Pao

I remember this was on cart as well

So this was a long time ago

Blursa is pretty solid into MausApe

Blursa makes me mad how good it is

Blood moon should not exist as a move

And minds eye on top of everything

[foggy lodge]

Bloodmoon is broken

Like dude it doesn't even care about defensive tera

AV runs tera water and tera fire now

[shadow wind]

Lorb is just Tera normal

I’m thinking of bringing back Blursa Talonflame

[foggy lodge]

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 212 HP / 28 Def Tera Bug Archaludon: 48-57 (25 - 29.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[shadow wind]

That dude must’ve been zero bulk

Unless I have dementia

[stone trellis]

So regular Arch just dies.

[shadow wind]

Which I might

[stone trellis]

90 HP, 130 Defense.

[shadow wind]

I love Groudon !!!

The only fair restricted

[stone trellis]

Unless you're Tera Fire Icy, you don't get to live that junk.

[stone trellis]

I love how neither Groudon nor Ice Rider can ever actually OHKO each other.

[shadow wind]

Ice rider can definitely OHKO Groudon

[stone trellis]

After Coaching? Yeah.

[shadow wind]

Nah, pre coaching

[stone trellis]

But if Koraidon rolls to live, Groudon can definitely live one.

[shadow wind]

It depends on the sets

[foggy lodge]

We have to use howl

[stone trellis]

116 Adamant does not KO with dual-target Lance, bro.

[stone trellis]

Prankster?

[foggy lodge]

Every time we want to cook with Groudon we come back to chinese sun

You will be remembered chinese sun

[stone trellis]

What's Chinese sun?

[foggy lodge]

A Groudon team from reg G