I forgot Water Resist Steel for some reason
#competitive_discussion
solid frigate
foggy lodge
Yeah but like
rustic mountain
I forgot Water Resist Steel for some reason
foggy lodge
Its still horrible to spend your tera just to click haze on it
molten oasis
Is a9 chomp more of a gambit or dengo thing? Idk what it is but I’ve been liking dengo less recently
solid frigate
<:worryCyclops:799190774473293844>
Idk it just something I forgot about Water despite being a Water type enthusiast
foggy lodge
Primarina is just a big role compression I think
forest arrow
Why is Gholdengo Tera water morris
molten oasis
Especially on this team where I use lefties over LORB
foggy lodge
It has haze + water coverage+ fairy coverage so it always seems like it can do something
But when you can have a good MU into a lot of stuff its supposed to beat it doesn't seem that great anymore
solid frigate
Why is Gholdengo Tera water morris
Mirror MU where resist MIR but also Neutral To SB
And yes I forgot that exists
forest arrow
Fairy and Dragon were good for it but not good into opposing Dengo
so that’s where water comes in
molten oasis
solid frigate
Tbh this Meta is more forgiving to run Tera Water imo
This format only has one Electric Type and it’s not even a electric type
forest arrow
All the homies are Tera water Dengo
molten oasis
Electabuzz exists tho wdym
rustic mountain
i also have it for like tr torkoal stuff or typhlosion whims stuff or lilligant torkoal stuff
solid frigate
Electabuzz exists tho wdym
Why did I forgot a mon that I HAVE USED IN GC
molten oasis
foggy lodge
We were trying yo figure out why a team was running tera fighting the other day
It didn't have tera blast btw
forest arrow
Yeah that was weird
rustic mountain
?
molten oasis
Had to be dark resisted without being weak to poison
forest arrow
There was a team with Tera fighting Dengo but no Tera blast
rustic mountain
oh yea
solid frigate
<:overitwoody:1306290281657667654>
But still proved my point of its way more forgiving to run Tera Water
foggy lodge
molten oasis
I think it must have been a resist to sneasler without being weak to it further
foggy lodge
This team got top cut at Frankfurt and was top 1 of the bo3 ladder
molten oasis
But then you die to Indeede so I don’t get it
foggy lodge
I remember it cuz I beated it🔥
solid frigate
I mean there is always Tera bug if you want
solid frigate
I remember it cuz I beated it🔥
rustic mountain
yea i guess to resist dark?
foggy lodge
I assumed it was for Tyranitar
rustic mountain
molten oasis
That would make sense too
rustic mountain
steel/ghost actually so good
foggy lodge
Gholdengo is just that guy
rustic mountain
sure u got some common weaknesses but still
foggy lodge
One of the best typings ever + broken ability + broken moves
solid frigate
Dengo is just dengo what can I say
rustic mountain
Gholdengo is just that guy
aegislash will not be forgotten even if it isnt allowed rn
molten oasis
I wanna try aegislash
foggy lodge
Aegislash was good right
solid frigate
aegislash will not be forgotten even if it isnt allowed rn
Omg I would not like this mon cuz I have to calc for both forms lmao
molten oasis
Looks like a cool Mon
foggy lodge
Didn't it win worlds actually
rustic mountain
Aegislash was good right
not in swsh but i think it was in formats b4 that
solid frigate
Didn't it win worlds actually
I think it’s with Chalk no?
molten oasis
It got nerfed in gen 7
So it has to be good at some point
(Gen 6 I think it was kinda crazy
solid frigate
I remember it’s with Chalk
rustic mountain
did u play during chalk era? idt is was apart of that team
solid frigate
did u play during chalk era? idt is was apart of that team
I vaguely remember it’s was good in 2015 format
foggy lodge
Did anyone here play the X and Y era
rustic mountain
no
foggy lodge
I didn't even play sw sh
solid frigate
i think ur right idk if it was chalk related tho
foggy lodge
I'm a new gen player i don't know chalk i don't know big six i only know arubega mirai
molten oasis
I played gen 9
solid frigate
Gen 8 but not VGC and Gen 7 OU
molten oasis
I tried gen 8 but it was Dynamax restricted era and I went ‘hell nah’
(That format was hard asf
molten oasis
Rinya sun
rustic mountain
not chalk some teams dont even have amoongus or heatran on them w/ aegislash
molten oasis
Why tf are all the uber broken teams sun teams
rustic mountain
there is some chalk there tho
solid frigate
What was the other broken team
Rinya Sun in Gen 8
Big Six and Chalk in Gen 6
And idk if there is any like broken notable ones in Gen 7
gentle cragBOT
Rinya Sun in Gen 8
Big Six and Chalk in Gen 6
And idk if there is any like brok...
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
3 sun teams in top 4 of worlds
And every Koraidon there ran a different fighting move lol
molten oasis
Sun is just crazy lmao
foggy lodge
I always believed in low kick Koraidon
molten oasis
And kyogre became mid
molten oasis
I didn’t initially but as the format progressed it just felt bad to play with
rustic mountain
lmao was gna say wat r we saying rn
solid frigate
2019 Lunadon won
2025 Koala won
I think I see a coincidence
molten oasis
lmao was gna say wat r we saying rn
It felt so mid to me this gen
It would either win the game by itself or explode t1
rustic mountain
I didn’t initially but as the format progressed it just felt bad to play with
yea it definitely got less effective as time went on
molten oasis
Like that mon felt so eh
solid frigate
also I feel like at least in this Gen Sun is more easier to build than Rain in Restricted formats
foggy lodge
I think during the NAIC era and a bir after that it got harder to play with it
And around worlds it came back
rustic mountain
but like given how good kyogre has been overall, im not willing to count it out cuz it fell off halfway into 1 format
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
Same with Zac like
rustic mountain
well it had moments
molten oasis
Tera hurts Zac a lot
rustic mountain
cir/kyogre won internats no?
molten oasis
Idt that gimmicks helps much, yeah
foggy lodge
Won Portland
solid frigate
But this gen was just bad for it
Literally Gen 9 restricteds all disable Kyogre’s Maximum Damage potential
foggy lodge
Naic was won by Fedecampo
rustic mountain
oh portland but yea it won
molten oasis
Won Portland and solidified itself as the better kyogre partner
Let’s give Zac 170 attack again thanks 
solid frigate
I am still livid on how that Kyogre live that sucker punch lmao
Gavin was so lucky in that set lol
molten oasis
I also think koraidon made such crazy come back
Reg g that guy sucked then turned around and won an international and worlds
solid frigate
I also think koraidon made such crazy come back
All because we give it a fucking purple Orb
molten oasis
Not even what won world but true
solid frigate
Lorb Korai+Lunala won worlds
molten oasis
Was it LORB? I thought it was clam
solid frigate
Thats from 2nd Place Korai
solid frigate
Also Brute Bonnet’s Resurgence is just insane lmao
foggy lodge
Ability shield Koraidon!!!
solid frigate
Ability shield Koraidon!!!
Yeah that
I’m not gonna talk about it despite its niche is good with geezing-
solid frigate
I remember the ability shield Tornadus
I have a crashout with that when I saw this before
foggy lodge
I was running CSR Weezing Paonite
And then oh people adapted to ability shield Torn
Great
solid frigate
I was running CSR Weezing Paonite
Ok that’s kinda deserved /jk
molten oasis
Wild
solid frigate
left bobcat
Damn
lofty tartan
Six hours until I get on a plane, Pittsburgh bound 
molten oasis
Good luck man
real prairie
ive been in a work meeting nearly 3 hours 😭 I just want to practice on SD ffs
austere iron
that sounds exhuasting but fun tbh
real prairie
It absolutely was not fun
cyan smelt
man i've got no idea what to use
solid frigate
ive been in a work meeting nearly 3 hours 😭 I just want to practice on SD ffs
When IRL stuff caught up on you
stone trellis
man i've got no idea what to use
Reg J or Reg H?
stone trellis
Can't help with Reg H.
cyan smelt
was thinking tr
stone trellis
I'm currently trying to figure out if there are any good Coaching users who also don't auto-lose to CSR.
real prairie
man i've got no idea what to use
Feel free to play with my team and see if you can come up with a 5th and 6th lol
stone trellis
was thinking tr
You ever tried to use Ice Rider for Reg J?
cyan smelt
nope
stone trellis
Do it.
I swear it's peak.
I'll give you a serious team though, none of the goofy shit I desperately try to work out.
cyan smelt
i watched a game where someone used indeedee rabsca and alolan golem and i was using those three at some point so i want to give it a go again
real prairie
@cyan smelt if you did want to have a play with it:
stone trellis
Here's my own team as well.
God, I wish I didn't have to choose between Zamazenta and Iron Valiant if I wanted to have both Wide Guard and Coaching.
cyan smelt
reg h choice mienshao
stone trellis
What about "Zamazenta and Iron Valiant" tells you that I'm playing Reg H?
We're done with Reg H, people use CSR now.
And I need someone that can kick its teeth in.
solid frigate
Here's my own team as well.
https://pokepast.es/c741e738ec4b1dd7
I can smell the Arubega sauce
stone trellis
Wonder why.
Miraidon-Icy-Farig is just GOATed like that.
And Whimsicott, Ogerpon and Shifu offer a faster mode while also not being too fast for TR.
cyan smelt
i might try grassy seed pecharunt
solid frigate
i might try grassy seed pecharunt
Psychic seed I can see it
But Grassy seed buffing it’s already strong Defense-
stone trellis
Psychic Seed is kinda...
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
cyan smelt
just need something consumable that can't be knocked off
real prairie
just need something consumable that can't be knocked off
how would it work if you used Colbur berry?
cyan smelt
no berries, calyrexes
stone trellis
The fact that Ice and Shadow Rider made an entire category of items basically useless in Gen 9 is so funny to me.
Which restricted has the best MU into CSR?
cyan smelt
miraidon or kyogre
stone trellis
Why Kyogre?
solid frigate
miraidon or kyogre
stone trellis
Massive Sp. Def?
cyan smelt
yep
stone trellis
Ho-oh + Ice Rider sounds hilarious.
solid frigate
Ho-oh Bullies CSR+Zama and Korai
stone trellis
Say less, brother.
Only problem is that Clear Amulet's taken.
Rocky Helmet or Cloak, call it.
cyan smelt
cloak
stone trellis
Yes.
visual flume
Anyone know a good place to get rental codes for regulation j
real prairie
I should have carried on working 😭
visual flume
Ty brodie
solid frigate
Honestly I’m probably the few people that prefer Mega Greninja over Ash Gren
real prairie
will probably enjoy it a lot more if its not always upside down lol
solid frigate
will probably enjoy it a lot more if its not always upside down lol
Trust him
He’s aura farming
lofty tartan
I think Ash Greninja is a bit overhyped
Getting ready to board my flight for Pitt
dapper crag
Honestly I’m probably the few people that prefer Mega Greninja over Ash Gren
HELLO
WHYY
real prairie
Getting ready to board my flight for Pitt
safe travels
solid frigate
I think Ash Greninja is a bit overhyped
Idfc if Any anime fans are gonna attack us we still standby the point of that form is way too overhyped
oak finch
New Zealand's got a Special Championship for the first time in 8 years, costing around $2,000 for me to go (locked in before registration even opens) 😭 Last one had <20 attendees so I wonder how many after all this time.
dapper crag
Idfc if Any anime fans are gonna attack us we still standby the point of that fo...
I will attack
Using population bomb 
solid frigate
stone trellis
Imagine if Arch didn't have mixed attacker stats.
And its Attack and Sp. Def were switched around.
That thing would be borderline unkillable.
dapper crag
Lets not
stone trellis
Nah, let's.
dapper crag
I dont want to will/manifest it into existence
Gen 10 could very well have smth like that
It feels like the stat cap goes up with each gen 
lofty tartan
Idfc if Any anime fans are gonna attack us we still standby the point of that fo...
That generation introduced fairies and megas and Ash got none of them. Just a half-baked not-Mega that lasted for one Gen.
stone trellis
The stats are the same, the only thing changing is the distribution.
lofty tartan
The Mega is fine. I like it
cobalt tapir
Megas usually get a 100 base stat added to their regular stats
stone trellis
Gen 10 could very well have smth like that
I basically made an Archaludon with actual special bulk. For reasons besides that alone, the motherfucker is the strongest fakemon I've made.
lofty tartan
Its so tanky for NO reason
It's made out of aluminum. Aluminum is actually very durable. People think it isn't because they use it for cans as well, but any metal is fragile if you press it thin enough
stone trellis
Aluminum is used in planes, right?
lofty tartan
Yeah aluminum is the primary material in planes
lofty tartan
A bridge made out of aluminum. It's very important.
stone trellis
Mr. President, a second Archaludon has hit the Spear Pillar.
lofty tartan
Yikes
dapper crag
A bridge made out of aluminum. It's very important.
Does it justify the existence of electro shot
lofty tartan
It can.
dapper crag
It shouldn’t 
lofty tartan
Metal is a conductor
dapper crag
It is but you wouldn’t use a bridge like that
lofty tartan
You can
stone trellis
Imagine if Electric Terrain insta-charged Electro Shot too.
lofty tartan
If it's made out of metal
waxen dock
should i try being in vr world cup?
dapper crag
You shouldn’t
lofty tartan
This is Pokémon. We threw all that out the window long ago
stone trellis
Imagine if Electric Terrain insta-charged Electro Shot too.
Tapu Koko and Arch are gonna be moving like Yuji and Todo.
lofty tartan
They're beings made of energy
solid frigate
It's made out of aluminum. Aluminum is actually very durable. People think it is...
I just have Chemistry today and talk about electrolysis lol
dapper crag
I hate arch
waxen dock
You *shouldn’t*
why?
stone trellis
I think he wasn't talking to you.
waxen dock
ok
lofty tartan
Like if dragons can call meteors from space at will you can electrify a bridge
stone trellis
I was right.
cobalt tapir
dapper crag
I just hate everything arch is
stone trellis
Let's switch to a more serious discussion: Can Groudon hit a three-pointer from across the court?
dapper crag
But he's more of a dunker
I agree
lofty tartan
Dunkaroos, dunking baskets, all of the above
stone trellis
Oh yeah, he's like 5 meters tall too.
lofty tartan
Dunkaccino
dapper crag
He weighs 3.2 Dave Blunts, motherfucker is NOT leaving the floor.
The floor is leaving him 
stone trellis
He can just drop the ball into the basket.
lofty tartan
dapper crag
Safe travels
lofty tartan
Danke!
stone trellis
I wonder how Koraidon would do in the NBA.
dapper crag
I wonder how Koraidon would do in the NBA.
Will end up as an icon, probably
stone trellis
He's like 8 feet tall, he can probably dunk by just extending his arm out.
dapper crag
Wooloo tho
stone trellis
Looks like it'd be the ball.
stone trellis
The craziest thing to me is that Arcanine's top speed is apparently close to 420 km/h.
This fuckass dog/cat can run at the same speed as a 2009 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, no wonder it learns E-Speed.
solid frigate
I wonder how Koraidon would do in the NBA.
I mean I wouldn’t mind seeing Koraidon doing NBA but Pokémon
stone trellis
I mean I wouldn’t mind seeing Koraidon doing NBA but Pokémon
If Koraidon's LeBron, who'd be Dwyane Wade?
stone trellis
The craziest thing to me is that Arcanine's top speed is apparently close to 420...
416.66, but still.
solid frigate
If Koraidon's LeBron, who'd be Dwyane Wade?
Idk Miraidon? But Miraidon doesn’t look like the type of Pokémon to play Basketball
stone trellis
Koraidon plays basketball, Miraidon's proving the Riemann hypothesis.
Looking at the past Paradox Pokemon, it's very clear to me that the one who should be able to ball the best is Walking Wake.
waxen dock
so should i try to be in vr world cup?
stone trellis
Do it.
solid frigate
Koraidon plays basketball, Miraidon's proving the Riemann hypothesis.
I mean Miraidon is gonna just prove a point lol
stone trellis
I mean Miraidon is gonna just prove a point lol
That it can't be proven or disproven?
dapper crag
He’ll do both
stone trellis
Proving it would be harder than disproving it, correct?
solid frigate
Proving it would be harder than disproving it, correct?
I mean he did prove that He’s the GOAT in Reg G
stone trellis
And Reg I.
dapper crag
So how would yall go abt making greninja work
stone trellis
In Reg J or Reg H?
dapper crag
In Reg J or Reg H?
Both
solid frigate
Ahem
stone trellis
Reg H has some funny tech.
Put it next to Annihilape, click Water Shuriken, watch it rip people in half with Rage Fist.
chrome knot
lofty tartan
Woop. Just landed in Philly
stone trellis
This team works.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2444210127
I love it when the endgame is 2 neutral targets below 50% (one of which is the main offensive piece, who's currently locked into its weakest damaging move) VS a full health Ice Rider.
solid frigate
Greninja woah lets go
I feel robbed
stone trellis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2444214444
Two games in, Lando's proving to be the GOAT.
I just need a 0 Attack one.
stone trellis
Connect it where?
waxen dock
nintendo account
stone trellis
So I have to connect to my Nintendo account on a separate device?
waxen dock
you just need to connect your nintendo account to your pokemon account
stone trellis
How do I do that?
real prairie
https://pokepast.es/004be9a4d92e5bcb
very similar team to the one that crushed in Mexico
I think its finally done! https://pokepast.es/ec93714df409e300
waxen dock
How do I do that?
but if you do that you will be in the masters division
since it gets your account bday
waxen dock
So it doesn't matter how many I get, does it?
probably
real prairie
very similar team to the one that crushed in Mexico
https://pokepast.es/f90dc0e17ab5924c
This one
stone trellis
I need nicknames for Whims and Lando.
real prairie
I need nicknames for Whims and Lando.
for Lando call it "Black Sunday" after the worst sandstorm ever recorded
or Haboob, which is a type of dust storm
and for whims maybe "gossypium", which is Latin for Cotton
bold geode
go mika!!!!
stone trellis
Good luck, Mika.
lofty tartan
go mika!!!!
I didn't even see this til just now. Thank youuuu
gentle cragBOT
I didn't even see this til just now. Thank youuuu
dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi
lofty tartan
About to take off from Philly to Pitt
foggy lodge
red willow
We should come up with coo nicknames for the priority moves that hit first if they are launching an attack
Zucc punch and T clap anyone
stone trellis
stone trellis
We should come up with coo nicknames for the priority moves that hit first if th...
"SIKE!" and "SIKE! but with electricity" seem good to me.
red willow
Last night I KOd an arboliva or Olive garden or wtf ever its called with ice spinner and the terrain it sets on ko was instantly gone is that intended?
stone trellis
Yes, Ice Spinner destroys terrains.
stone trellis
The ability activates, then Ice Spinner's effect kicks in.
stone trellis
You wanna know another funny interaction?
red willow
Hit me w it
stone trellis
Say that I have an Incineroar at 10% HP and I try to use Knock Off on an Amoonguss with Rocky Helmet.
The Rocky Helmet recoil always takes place before the item is removed.
So if Incineroar hits Amoonguss, not only does it die to the recoil, but you get to keep the Rocky Helmet.
red willow
Thats pretty awesome haha
red willow
My fave spicy use for rocky helmet amoong has been switching into surging strikes from shifu
stone trellis
Hatterene has the neat ability Magic Bounce.
If you try to use Parting Shot on a Hatterene, Magic Bounce switches the interaction around.
So Hatterene gets forcefully switched out.
Even if it's holding the Clear Amulet.
red willow
It roars itself essentially lmao
stone trellis
Yep.
red willow
Nice haha
Should I completely say f all forms of redirection as well as speed control from my reg j team amd cut firepon for something even MORE offense oriented? Lol
My team is already leaning towards hyper offense IMO
waxen dock
so i got 6 elo from a battle
empty saddle
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2444333660-gw5al846qof6l7s5s3ie7m98t9wdidqpw
this is the funniest t1 of all time
next stump
can anyone see what the Reg H Bo1 ladder currently is? It won’t load for me
waxen dock
can anyone see what the Reg H Bo1 ladder currently is? It won’t load for me
wdym currently is?
whats the meta?
empty saddle
can anyone see what the Reg H Bo1 ladder currently is? It won’t load for me
loading fine for me
rustic mountain
yea might b ur connection dillon
loading for me too
sometimes that happens tho
next stump
can someone tell me where 1645 currently is
waxen dock
82-84 range
pretty much
next stump
thank you 🙂
rustic mountain
🫡
azure shore
molten oasis
I think terrain procs first
I haven’t seen my mon die in the sand by chip under grassy terrain unless it was burnt
solid frigate
Sandstorm chip damage or grassy terrain recovery
Heal then chip damage
foggy lodge
(The sandstorm is raging.)
The opposing Annihilape is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Rillaboom is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Tyranitar is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Maushold's HP was restored.
The opposing Annihilape's HP was restored.
Rillaboom's HP was restored.
Tyranitar's HP was restored.
Liars
I was considering sash Tytar + Rilla
Its nice to be able to keep your sash if you have terrain
rustic mountain
bold geode
Its nice to be able to keep your sash if you have terrain
I mean
Unless they damage TTar you should still usually get it back right
rustic mountain
i wanna run something else for reg h but also dont really care since im not attending any irl tours
lotta cool teams that popped up from these first 2 regionals tho
molten oasis
i wanna run something else for reg h but also dont really care since im not atte...
I got it! Mamoswine!
bold geode
i wanna run something else for reg h but also dont really care since im not atte...
Make some bullshit
foggy lodge
I got it! Mamoswine!
Are you making fun of me
Im still a Mamoswine believer
(it's a shitmon)
molten oasis
Yes I am making fun of you
chrome knot
BIRDS
molten oasis
Birds
spiral ridge
That’s a lot of crows
lofty tartan
View from my hotel
cyan smelt
gl mika
solid frigate
View from my hotel
Damn the view is noice
forest arrow
View from my hotel
Gl brotha
atomic mural
guys get your chi yus
craggy dagger
atomic mural
its so good
rustic mountain
I got it! Mamoswine!
i unironically like mamoswine
molten oasis
i unironically like mamoswine
Maybe it’s time to play mamoswine
cyan smelt
i was trying to build with mamoswine and kilowattrel but couldn't think of good partners
spiral ridge
Glll Mika
cyan smelt
Also I think I was barking up the wrong tree with trying to force sniper kingdra to be in rain, it needs tailwind and dragon cheer and noivern has both
rustic mountain
Maybe it’s time to play mamoswine
oh i dont mean its good rn lol i just like the mon
molten oasis
Fair lol
rustic mountain
it was good in spikemuth cup
molten oasis
So it was good ages ago lol
rustic mountain
yea in a format that was community made
molten oasis
Damn
rustic mountain
ice/ground is inherently insane offensive coverage arguably the best but mamo suffers from tera, not only being a tera hog itself but not having the same efficacy on the offensive side as a result of other mons being able to tera
foggy lodge
The only good thing about Mamoswine I found was that it was decent into Charizard Jumpluff Torkoal
rustic mountain
how
foggy lodge
The ability
cyan smelt
Thick fat?
foggy lodge
Yeah
rustic mountain
tf u running thick fat mamo for
foggy lodge
It threatens jumpluff and torkoal and takes charizard and torkoal's attacks good
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
foggy lodge
But its basically good into only one MU
forest arrow
Surely you run oblivious?
rustic mountain
oblivious >
if ur gna run mamo thick fat is like negligible cuz its defensives are so bad ontop of it just having a terrible defensive type
molten oasis
Got my shinies
bold geode
<a:DJMaybe:707259901315121251>
Bruh
I low-key was saying like my opinions which were that some mons/sets were mid in another server when they were giving some advice to someone and they were like "if you're just gonna be a hater then bug off" like
molten oasis
Sounds about right
bold geode
Yeah bro like
I'm sorry that I'm here giving you my honest opinion
molten oasis
What server exactly?
rustic mountain
Bruh
I low-key was saying like my opinions which were that some mons/sets were m...
hahaha gta love it
molten oasis
Cuz that behavior sounds like hella familiar
solid frigate
Bruh
I low-key was saying like my opinions which were that some mons/sets were m...
Which mon btw
bold geode
Which mon btw
Primarina and C Souls Kommo-O which btw we have tested
Yeah Tree C Souls Kommo-O is dogshit btw
rustic mountain
makes sense
solid frigate
Primarina and C Souls Kommo-O which btw we have tested
Ok yeah I agree with the statement it’s so fucking clunky
bold geode
Like spread Dragon damage is nice but like even at +2 like
solid frigate
It doesn’t kill Sneasler
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
rustic mountain
wen dengo is one of the most common guys in the format kommo feels bad and also a lot of other fighting type options that are better outright
bold geode
You think that Spatk stat wouldn't be bad but like
cyan smelt
Even with tera steel blursa can take it down
bold geode
wen dengo is one of the most common guys in the format kommo feels bad and also ...
The IDBP set isn't horrible, but like just
molten oasis
Ok tree stfu
rustic mountain
The IDBP set isn't horrible, but like just
its not good
rustic mountain
Ok tree stfu
🤨
bold geode
C Souls is like
The thing is you're at +2, why the hell don't you do more damage
solid frigate
I’m gonna watch the chaos
molten oasis
Wait I misinterpreted
solid frigate
C Souls is like
The thing is you're at +2, why the hell don't you do more damage
It doesn’t even OHKO Sneasler which is just
Why
rustic mountain
sorry dude
molten oasis
spent $20 on a new school id
forest arrow
So are we saying we want to try chomp
bold geode
So are we saying we want to try chomp
Nah
IDBP Kommo-O for the win
rustic mountain
C Souls is like
The thing is you're at +2, why the hell don't you do more damage
yea like u want more payoff for ur investment
molten oasis
If kommo-o’s spa and attack were reversed I think it be so much better
100 doesn’t cut it and at least at +2 110 is generally good damage
bold geode
yea like u want more payoff for ur investment
Right like
Thing is +2 Clanging Scales with literally the maximum Spatk investment barely does 50% minimum to AV Arch like
Don't get me wrong but shouldn't that do more?
rustic mountain
ud expect/hope it would yea
yea so many set up options this format kommo is very low on that list
molten oasis
Why click scales when my dengo is doing more into a resist
bold geode
IDBP Kommo-O isn't too bad
Low-key feels good at least to me rn
forest arrow
Especially running 252+ and still being lack luster you can’t build for bulk or speed
solid frigate
yea so many set up options this format kommo is very low on that list
+2 252+ SpA Kommo-o Clanging Scales vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Sneasler: 153-181 (98.7 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Also btw it has a chance to not kill Sneasler which is depressing
And some of them run psychic seed which makes it even worse
rustic mountain
sneaslers pretty frail so id hope itd ohko it at +2
molten oasis
That was wild like that should ohko a sneasler
bold geode
But like yeah
Also C Souls sucks cuz like
You can't ever really switch out and you have to give up a third of your health
molten oasis
sounds like a mon I play in other formats
solid frigate
lol
cyan smelt
Also haze dnite lol
bold geode
Yeah but difference is if you actually had some tools, you could still switch that one out
I did it with Zam all the time lol
molten oasis
It felt so much worse with Zac
The damage output on Zac vanishes when you switch out
bold geode
I argue with Kommo-O it felt way worse than with Zam
molten oasis
That’s true it does
bold geode
Then again like
The thing with Zam is like
You lose a lot of damage yeah but at the same time if you put some investment into bulk, you can generally live a hit anyways and get two off
Plus I had Helping Hand so 
molten oasis
Zama’s crazy
solid frigate
You literally 4x weak to fairy and sure Tera helps
You are not as Bulky and supportive as Zama did
bold geode
Zam is still by far my favorite restricted
solid frigate
Like even if you switch out Zama you can still play it like a support with CSR most of the time
molten oasis
Yeah that too the defensive typing is pretty shit
rustic mountain
i had fun using zama
molten oasis
Fighting dragon just does nothing for ya really
solid frigate
Yeah that too the defensive typing is pretty shit
The Tera Options are just not as impactful as Zama
rustic mountain
goated partner for csr
bold geode
I love Zamazenta, that bulk just was top tier
forest arrow
Koraidon supremacy
bold geode
Though I do love my horse too
rustic mountain
shiny koala soon 
molten oasis
If I wasn’t so stubborn on Zac I think I would have played zama
forest arrow
shiny koala soon <:pepemostacho:763900516278992906>
Might actually play J just so I can use them
molten oasis
Or koraidon
forest arrow
just for fun ofc
rustic mountain
Might actually play J just so I can use them
i will, put my shiny lunala to some more use
and get some run time w/ shiny korai and mirai
molten oasis
I should put my shiny Zac to use haven’t done that yet
rustic mountain
y
forest arrow
I have everything shiny besides Lunala, I believe I’ve done like 400+ raids and still no shiny Lunala in Dmax Adventure
molten oasis
I didn’t play reg I with the shiny guy
rustic mountain
u used zacian all format and didnt use the shiny?
molten oasis
Well the shiny happened as I got burned out
rustic mountain
oh u didnt claim it in swsh
molten oasis
Cuz reg I was fckn hard with a underutilized mon
bold geode
I hate the fact Zac still loses to the most common Mon like c'mon
molten oasis
No I got one from Pogo
molten oasis
I hate the fact Zac still loses to the most common Mon like c'mon
That’s kyogres job
rustic mountain
I have everything shiny besides Lunala, I believe I’ve done like 400+ raids and ...
every legend shiny ? or just the comp ones
molten oasis
Until it misses fucking origin pulse
solid frigate
I’m more prefer the bikes (both of them)
molten oasis
god I hate kyogre sometimes
forest arrow
every legend shiny ? or just the comp ones
Just the comp ones really
rustic mountain
nice
forest arrow
Pogo has helped in that regard
rustic mountain
i still have some i gta go for but i have a decent chunk of the good ones
solid frigate
Rain is just
Not as impactful as Sun in Double res
rustic mountain
i have quite a few shiny ubs i hope are legal in champions at some point
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/air-ball-baskteball-gif-7516244
YEAH
playing kyogre is infuriating
forest arrow
That’s cool, I wish I played more competitively back then such a missed opportunity
cyan smelt
Celesteela would be so good against caly ice
forest arrow
Very casual about the game until scarlet and violet
bold geode
But like yeah
It sucks to be weak to Incineroar cuz like
You wanna be focusing on the fucking restricteds and instead you have to prioritize killing a fuckin cat like
rustic mountain
That’s cool, I wish I played more competitively back then such a missed opportun...
well i didnt get em from sm i da'd them in swsh and mostly got em after swsh comp
molten oasis
But like yeah
It sucks to be weak to Incineroar cuz like
You wanna be focusing ...
It’s pretty ass and it’s not like CSR who can kinda get away with somewhat ignoring it
forest arrow
Fair, that will be cool if we see ultra beasts in champions
molten oasis
I want tapus
bold geode
CSR could not either but like
Damn at least after a couple boosts you chip that mfer heavy
forest arrow
Tapus would be fun too
rustic mountain
ubs + paradoxs would be a rollercoaster
molten oasis
ubs + paradoxs would be a rollercoaster
bold geode
Like here's the difference right
You use Zacian? They swap in Incineroar from the back and bye bye doggy
molten oasis
Zac does like 40% at neutral to an incin it’s sad
rustic mountain
Leech seed celesteela
yea thats one i still need to shiny hunt
only issue is it has max quake for the electric and fire types
solid frigate
Leech seed celesteela
I am not fighting that
bold geode
CSR? At least for a while, they lead that shit with the most passive ass lead in existence meaning you could just boost the fuck out of the horse and smack the shit out of it thru resist and even screens
cyan smelt
Is rotom in DAs
forest arrow
Mostly joking, I’d deal with it just like everything else but isn’t that where CIR got the leech seed idea from?
molten oasis
I stuck with it and figured out how to play but the mon just ended up becoming a ‘I clean up the battlefield’ mon which felt bad
Like once incin is gone it can put in a lot of work but that’s assuming you got rid of it early
rustic mountain
Mostly joking, I’d deal with it just like everything else but isn’t that where C...
leech seed has existed in a multitude of ways across different formats/mons, cir is just another mon in the long rung of that. id say ferrothorn would be the most notable leech seed user historically in vgc
cyan smelt
I sure miss ferrothorn
rustic mountain
so do a lot of ppl
forest arrow
Oh true ferrothorn, that does seem like a goated comp mon
bold geode
Like that's why I love Shadow Rider
It's a bit of a difficult Mon to really pick up at a consistent level but once you position it right, there's a lot of games where it genuinely feels like you're fuckin untouchable
rustic mountain
Oh true ferrothorn, that does seem like a goated comp mon
it is good yea
molten oasis
Like that's why I love Shadow Rider
It's a bit of a difficult Mon to really pic...
I just wish Zac had a better restricted psrtner
solid frigate
Oh true ferrothorn, that does seem like a goated comp mon
Ferrothorn literally resisted every Miraidon Move in the meta so yeah solid mon against it
But then again it’s still Miraidon
molten oasis
Like kyogre is a VERY good mon for it but shifu lowkey feels like a better partner for it
bold geode
Zacian struggles with something that Zam does, which is that it doesn't have a good spread attack
rustic mountain
idk if ferro would be a reliable mirai answer just cuz it can take some hits haha but yea i think at some point in sv depending if it was allowed itd prolly have a place
especially w/ tera at its disposal
bold geode
I'm sorry, but having no good spread damage in a double restricted format just feels like dogshit so much
cyan smelt
In tr it's basically untouchable
solid frigate
idk if ferro would be a reliable mirai answer just cuz it can take some hits hah...
It is still Miraidon so idk if it can live two hits lmao
molten oasis
I'm sorry, but having no good spread damage in a double restricted format just f...
Yes yes ir does
Reg g at least Zac could do something
rustic mountain
Zacian struggles with something that Zam does, which is that it doesn't have a g...
difference is one isnt intimidate fodder and zama offers support options that zacian doesnt
cyan smelt
It would put the hurt on ursaluna too
molten oasis
Zac is purely offensive
rustic mountain
also 2 single target restricteds won worlds, cant be that dogshit
bold geode
Like the thing is because of that, Zacian really is a Mon you don't look for something to pair with
You look for something to pair Zacian with
Zacian is the second restricted
rustic mountain
it definitely isnt ideal but its not completely unwarranted
bold geode
That's why like imo you saw a lot like
CSR Zam or Korai Lunala
For some of the pairings, you could see who was the main guy
Honestly that's how I got to using my CSR Zam team as well as I did
Was cuz I basically had to come to terms with the fact that my guy that I liked wasn't the star of the show cuz he couldn't be
molten oasis
Well koraidon sets up sun and Lunala has utility
Zacian does damage and that’s it
No utility at all which is what holds it back, unless it was like gen 8 Zac or even just had 170 attack it would be fine
bold geode
I deadass relinquished a bit of personal attachment with the dog to focus more on the horse
Like it felt wrong at first for example to not use Chien Pao with Zam cuz I was like "yeah it do no damage that way" but like
My Zam is there to be the horse's bodyguard, why am I worried about it not doing all the damage
molten oasis
Valid
bold geode
Like deadass
Sometimes to make a good team and this could be seen as a hot take
Sometimes you gotta even question the conventional wisdom
foggy lodge
I'm sorry, but having no good spread damage in a double restricted format just f...
But
molten oasis
The conventional wisdom?
foggy lodge
Worlds was won by two single target restricteds
bold geode
Worlds was won by two single target restricteds
That had a Chi Yu and an Ursaluna that could spam EQ besides a WG Lunala
bold geode
The conventional wisdom?
Like basically there is a difference sometimes between what your team conventionally needs vs what it ACTUALLY needs
molten oasis
Worlds was won by two single target restricteds
They had utility
Zac don’t got that
molten oasis
Like basically there is a difference sometimes between what your team convention...
I see
bold geode
Like for example my team
Conventionally it wants Chien Pao
But does my team actually need it? No
molten oasis
Ah I see
rustic mountain
im shoehorning chien pao on csr/zama now cuz i wanna use the shiny
molten oasis
Oh my god I can run chien poo!
bold geode
Like there are times when I see like basically what someone's team needs is something that breaks conventional wisdom, but they won't do it cuz "oh this wants this and that" even though like
Yeah that's for other teams
But what about this specific team
molten oasis
rustic mountain
another gen where we only get like a fraction of the legends introduced shiny
actually gen 8 wasnt that bad
really was jus the horses and kubfu/urshifu
but this gen no loyal 3, no ogerpon, no terapagos
foggy lodge
Those still being shiny locked is crazy
rustic mountain
yea
foggy lodge
Let me shiny hunt legendaries again please pokemon
rustic mountain
idk y they think ppl still wont do both
ppl will hunt them and a lot of ppl wont and those ppl will go out and get em for w/e event they do
nd the ppl who hunt em prolly will still go out and get em cuz its cherish ball or w/e
dense latch
i get some shinylocks but most of them just make me ask why
foggy lodge
Yeah me neither
I think shinies just give exclusivity in a way
Like you were either lucky or spent enough time to get them and locking them feels awful
rustic mountain
if ppl wanna invest their time into hunting a shiny, let em
cyan smelt
They want people to only go to GameStop for shiny legendaries
rustic mountain
ppl would still go tho
a lot of ppl arent gna shiny hunt the mons they r locking
dense latch
which ones make sense to u?
now that i’m thinking of specific cases im not sure lmao
maybe the starter korai/mirai but those wouldn’t make much sense in terms of a shiny hunt anyways
foggy lodge
Dynamax aventures were so awesome
rustic mountain
dude if u wanna commit to a 1/4096 hunt b4 u even start ur game, why cant u? like them just blocking peoples access to even attempt it is just lame to me and doesnt really have good reasoning. same w/ korai/mirai, u wanna hard commit to sring this mon till its shiny? go for it
having these events isnt reason enough because again, most ppl arent making those commitments
forest arrow
Not to mention Raging Bolt Wake Crown and boulder
cyan smelt
It's part of the enshittification of the franchise which includes announcing DLC before the game is even out
dense latch
i dont get why they just randomly decided to shinylock starters a few gens after shinylocks became a thing
rustic mountain
yea i just find it really frustrating off principle
dense latch
and the last starters we could shiny hunt (excluding bdsp) were 2 minute resets lol
rustic mountain
as tho the 1% shiny community sring for starters was detracting from the gaming experience on a mass scale
cyan smelt
They probably just didn't know how to program it into sv
dense latch
just make the starters have a chance to be shiny like any other mon in the game
rustic mountain
p much
solid frigate
rustic mountain
where do u even find these
molten oasis
Pretty sure he makes them
solid frigate
where do u even find these
Actually someone sent me that,it’s from Stunfisk Subreddit
solid frigate
Pretty sure he makes them
I’m too lazy to do these now
Especially I’m busy doing other stuff
cyan smelt
Wonder what plza ranked will be like
molten oasis
I get to close 3 days in a row!
waxen dock
Wonder what plza ranked will be like
it will be this annoying game i think the ffa that was shown in the trailer ig
cyan smelt
We have to battle to get the Kalos starters mega stones
waxen dock
how do i find if i have locals in my area?
lofty tartan
It's part of the enshittification of the franchise which includes announcing DLC...
Omg this argument is so tired and silly. Announcing DLC before or on release has become pretty normal. Don't want the DLC? Don't buy it. But acting like this is some heinous crime is undeniably silly
cyan smelt
I'm gonna buy it but it's way more expensive than previous dlcs
lofty tartan
They didn't do DLC for PLA. People wanted more. Now they announce that there will be a DLC and you can pre-order it, and they're monsters
It's 15 dollars more here. I wouldn't call that "way more expensive" but the cost of a product being acceptable is subjective, usually. I wasn't even talking about any price.
Just the idea of being upset at a company for allowing you to pre-order DLC planned for February is bonkers.
robust arrow
Just the idea of being upset at a company for allowing you to pre-order DLC plan...
It's pretty normal ngl, it happens all the time
Pokefans tend to be upset for a lot of minor reasons
It's such a beloved franchise after all 
real prairie
Morning
cyan smelt
Hiya
cyan smelt
@bold geode saw a cool all monkey team just then, annihilape, rilla, ambipom, primeape, oranguru and infernape
oak finch
Anyone know what time most people are playing VGC in SV? Trying to find matches in ultra ball rank and keep timing out.
knotty mirage
Are you trying to play on single or double ?
oak finch
👍
I find im usually against japanese players 90% of the time now, I can never get back to back battles ingame though
Trying to get in game practice for a regional
next stump
Ohhh, the in game format right now is not the same ruleset as regionals
When is your regional?
next stump
Okay that’s better then, it won’t be Regulation H or J most likely so any in game practice is nice
cyan smelt
I need to start practising for the Brisbane regional which will be reg h
real prairie
decided to make a rain version of Marco Silva team... first game on SD is vs Wolfe perish. couldn't make this shit up 🤣
cyan smelt
Wolfey perish can't top monkey business
brave hazel
Can someone tell me the best nature for Tinkaton ? Idk if to max its attack with adamant, or sp defence or speed
brave hazel
why do you want to use it 💀 ?
Because I have a shiny recluse
flex as hell.
& all my shinys i max out to make the battle ready, even if they are bad
Even if I don’t use them
Gigaton hammer is cool to use as well.
waxen dock
& all my shinys i max out to make the battle ready, even if they are bad
all of the reg h events this year are official so no point in doing that
brave hazel
all of the reg h events this year are official so no point in doing that
I do it because I like all my pokemon to be battle ready regardless if I am gonna use them or not, & also I play singles a lot 6v6 , weaker mons are viable & you can create insane strats because you have 6 pokemon synergy
so I use them online regardless
cyan smelt
He's a singles player
brave hazel
He's a singles player
I play both
robust arrow
I do it because I like all my pokemon to be battle ready regardless if I am gonn...
i wouldnt call any of the meta Mon in singles as weak
If we by smogon tiers, any OU mon is far from being weak
Even the niche ones have a reason to be in that niche
cyan smelt
Idk why he asks for advice in here given it's predominantly vgc
robust arrow
Can't disregard the singles competitive scene on showdown though
It's very real
You don't have to make as much positional reading as in Doubles but you have to make a lot of predictions
cyan smelt
Yeah that's why it has its own server
brave hazel
Yeah that's why it has its own server
Legit says “ competitive discussion “
Any online PVP is deemed as competitive dude.
cyan smelt
6v6 singles is not the official format and is never played at tournaments
It exists only on Smogon
brave hazel
6v6 singles is not the official format and is never played at tournaments
It’s still online play, you are competitively vsing another player
real prairie
Can it be discussed here, Yes.
Are there many people to help, No.
strange juniper
there's nothing in this channel saying it's exclusively for VGC and it's weird trying to gatekeep it like that
real prairie
is the long and short of it
strange juniper
Can it be discussed here, Yes.
Are there many people to help, No.
this basically
brave hazel
Can it be discussed here, Yes.
Are there many people to help, No.
The stats yall use competitively are the same stats that 99% of single players use
real prairie
we have had many people come and go looking for singles support but we dont have the resource to help so they usually end up in the smogon discord
cyan smelt
Help and discussion regarding the competitive scene, there is no irl scene for 6v6 singles
robust arrow
there's nothing in this channel saying it's exclusively for VGC and it's weird t...
yeah, i get this feeling often here, i defaulted to a group of friends to discuss this
real prairie
The stats yall use competitively are the same stats that 99% of single players u...
Spreads can be very different for singles and doubles but yeah, the base stats dont change
robust arrow
The stats yall use competitively are the same stats that 99% of single players u...
i mean no, spreads in doubles are quite fine tuned whereas singles is pretty straightforward
strange juniper
we have had many people come and go looking for singles support but we dont have...
does it say "irl competitive scene"? if you want to start trying to be pedantic go ahead
oop wrong reply
strange juniper
Help and discussion regarding the competitive scene, there is no irl scene for 6...
meant for this
brave hazel
Help and discussion regarding the competitive scene, there is no irl scene for 6...
It’s still competitive battling dude & as I said, I play both anyways
brave hazel
i mean no, spreads in doubles are quite fine tuned whereas singles is pretty str...
Singles are fine tuned to dude.
robust arrow
Singles are fine tuned to dude.
Not really
real prairie
we have discussed before if we should change this to VGC and open a separate chat for singles, but it was vito'd and we would try to be welcoming to singles players
cyan smelt
Ok how about tag me when there's a regional for 6v6 singles
strange juniper
idk why you keep trying to bring up irl events
robust arrow
I've been doing Singles on Smogon for a fair bit and spreads are 252/252/4 on a whole lot of meta Mons
real prairie
oop wrong reply
its fine, im used to being picked on 😭 🤣
woven pelican
its fine, im used to being picked on 😭 🤣
damn, sad life huh /lh
brave hazel
Ok how about tag me when there's a regional for 6v6 singles
Legit the definition of competitive. Any form of online PVP is deemed as competitive play. Not official tourneys only.
This channel says “ competitive discussion “
Not VCG only. Confused why you hating so much
cyan smelt
Ok clearly I'm getting worked up over nothing so probably time to log off for the night
strange juniper
please do
real prairie
*damn, sad life huh /lh*
One develops a sense of humour being the subject of abuse for a lifetime 
real prairie
Ok clearly I'm getting worked up over nothing so probably time to log off for th...
Rest up bud, TTYL
cyan smelt
Sorry for my outburst, need to remember to be more welcoming
robust arrow
Legit the definition of competitive. Any form of online PVP is deemed as competi...
you're stretching it quite far ngl
real prairie
Sorry for my outburst, need to remember to be more welcoming
Happens man, what time is it even there
robust arrow
pvp doesnt de facto means it's competitive
brave hazel
I've been doing Singles on Smogon for a fair bit and spreads are 252/252/4 on a ...
I legit use a 252/252 on like 1 mon on my team
robust arrow
I legit use a 252/252 on like 1 mon on my team
doesnt mean your team is good tho
cyan smelt
10pm
real prairie
breath people lol all good
brave hazel
pvp doesnt de facto means it's competitive
Legit the definition to it
robust arrow
Legit the definition to it
nope
real prairie
10pm
ah thought it would be later than that, in the weird time bubble before the times change lol
brave hazel
doesnt mean your team is good tho
I rarely lose.
robust arrow
I rarely lose.
i can say i rarely lose of any format I never played
doesnt make me a good player
brave hazel
This channel has some hella toxic people ngl
real prairie
Im open to discussing competitive pokemon sleep in that case
robust arrow
says the guy openly debating semantics
real prairie
infact forget pokemon, just Sleep is fine
strange juniper
it's not semantics to say that this channel is fine to discuss singles in
oak finch
When is your regional?
yeah regional in jan its probably J according to a play pokemon thing i saw
robust arrow
when I just gave you an example of a game having pvp without it being competitive
real prairie
yeah regional in jan its probably J according to a play pokemon thing i saw
Id double check that, don't think there are any regionals running J
i could be wrong though
strange juniper
the discussion started because weirdos here started saying "singles is not competitive, this is competitive discussion" which is exactly what semantics is
oak finch
Id double check that, don't think there are any regionals running J
it is in jan
oh i mean I*
cyan smelt
I don't think any irl tournaments will be reg j
oak finch
lol sorry
real prairie
it is in jan
format isn't annoucned then 🙂 ive got the same for Jan and Feb
oak finch
The one without mythicals 😭
brave hazel
Most PVP games are called competitive mate. Any game where you are vsing another player.
Fort, apex, cod. All online is “ competitive “ it don’t need to be a paid event to be deemed as such.
cyan smelt
Double res probably
real prairie
it could be Reg G again, it could be Champions
brave hazel
the discussion started because weirdos here started saying "singles is not compe...
Thank you
cyan smelt
Champions most likely won't be out
robust arrow
Most PVP games are called competitive mate. Any game where you are vsing another...
That's your personal opinion, not an objective fact
robust arrow
Objectively, plenty of games have PvP without being competitive
strange juniper
That's your personal opinion, not an objective fact
i'm just gonna mute you if you keep arguing semantics
oak finch
format isn't annoucned then 🙂 ive got the same for Jan and Feb
from play pokemon "Regulation H will be used for battles from September to November, as well as the subsequent Regulation from December until the launch of Pokemon Champions" https://championships.pokemon.com/en-gb/about/2026-season-changes
im just guessing champions wont be out in jan, so im trying to prep for I
strange juniper
singles is fine to discuss here. if you have an issue, feel free to raise it with mods
oak finch
im aware thats not 100% confirmed though
real prairie
from play pokemon "Regulation H will be used for battles from September to Novem...
Then its likely itll stay with H
which is PAIN
i love and hate reg H lol
next stump
I think it’s safe to play Reg I teams to prep for a January regional. The worst case scenario is they extend Reg H based off the wording of their message
oak finch
but the "subsequent regulation" is I
real prairie
love the diversity, hate how it murders my use of Ludicolo
next stump
Subsequent means next, there’s no next format announced yet
oak finch
I think it’s safe to play Reg I teams to prep for a January regional. The worst ...
yeah basically what im trying
strange juniper
i wonder when next year champions is going to launch. because it sounded like next worlds would be using champions?
oak finch
Its too early to lock in meta teams anyway
brave hazel
That's your personal opinion, not an objective fact
The general word it self makes it factual. Online paid tournaments & online PVP with the goal to win. You’re arguing a word based fact on the term “ competitive “
cyan smelt
And now sneaslers are running acrobatics so that threatens ludicolo even more
next stump
Yep Worlds 2026 is on champions
real prairie
And now sneaslers are running acrobatics so that threatens ludicolo even more
Meh, i run tera poison so no drama there
oak finch
my first regional and its gonna be the last one i use the mainline game for 😭
strange juniper
it's got to be early enough to have a few regionals, and maybe an IC in champions 
oak finch
its an SPC not regional anyway nz isnt important enough
cyan smelt
I'm curious as to what format will be the first for champions
real prairie
it's got to be early enough to have a few regionals, and maybe an IC in champion...
dont underestimate them, they did worlds on a new format with no prior regionals 🤣
robust arrow
The general word it self makes it factual. Online paid tournaments & online PVP ...
no, take this to my DM and I'll gladly explain it to you lenghtily. We're derailing this for no reason and there is no reason to keep that. I'm not going to argue any further here with you
oak finch
I'm curious as to what format will be the first for champions
kanto only no restricted mons
strange juniper
that's true actually
oak finch
each season it goes up a dex 👍
real prairie
I can't wait for Ludicolo to not be in champions 🙃
cyan smelt
Please no, everyone will run jolteon with pin missile because psychic is broken in gen 1
brave hazel
no, take this to my DM and I'll gladly explain it to you lenghtily. We're derail...
I don’t need to, I googled the meaning to the word. The actual definition & the meaning to the word, aka the “ dictionary “ actual definition of the word it self weighs higher than your opinion on the word.
strange juniper
did you guys see what they did to the unite comp players during worlds? 
people were pissed
oak finch
Please no, everyone will run jolteon with pin missile because psychic is broken ...
yep revert the physical special split and all
real prairie
did you guys see what they did to the unite comp players during worlds? <:KEKHAN...
No, what happened? haha
robust arrow
I don’t need to, I googled the meaning to the word. The actual definition & the ...
that is not how it works, now drop this or come to my DM
real prairie
yep revert the physical special split and all
this would help ludicolo tremendously lol
real prairie
that is not how it works, now drop this or come to my DM
give it a rest chaps
brave hazel
that is not how it works, now drop this or come to my DM
It is how it works. You’re not Einstein, you can’t challenge the meaning to a word.
cyan smelt
Some mons got really screwed over by the physical special split
real prairie
or take it to DMs
brave hazel
Stop responding to me then
strange juniper
No, what happened? haha
previously, you could use your own compatible devices. on the very final day of worlds, they told everyone "we've prepared these devices for everyone, you all need to use them for this now" and gave everyone who was used to their own phones/switches preset phones with Unite installed
robust arrow
It is how it works. You’re not Einstein, you can’t challenge the meaning to a wo...
you are being toxic for no reasons, come to my DM and let's continue that over there
strange juniper
on the day of the finals they've never done it before
real prairie
Some mons got really screwed over by the physical special split
basically 90% of gen 3
oak finch
New Zealand hasnt had a tournament since 2017, which had <20 VGC players, im hoping the one in jan has 100 with the popularity now 😭
brave hazel
you are being toxic for no reasons, come to my DM and let's continue that over t...
I’m not being toxic, you were toxic 1st. I have nothing to continue, I’m already correct.
cyan smelt
Rayquaza right
strange juniper
children pls
oak finch
its really not that deep guys
robust arrow
I’m not being toxic, you were toxic 1st. I have nothing to continue, I’m already...
no, come to my DM and I'll gladly explain to you why
cyan smelt
I'd consider going to the nz one but it's on Australia day
robust arrow
let's drop this shenanigan for the moment pls
strange juniper
they put out a statement after saying "future events will be run like this, we fucked up"
real prairie
previously, you could use your own compatible devices. on the very final day of ...
hahah ive seen that at league tournaments and people showing up with measuring tapes to get the height of the desks right and monitor positions etc LOL
brave hazel
no, come to my DM and I'll gladly explain to you why
I don’t need to, I have the actual dictionary to the word it self. Stop pinging me now, cheers
gentle cragBOT
I don’t need to, I have the actual dictionary to the word it self. Stop pinging ...
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1758283963:R>.
cyan smelt
Actually maybe I should make plans to attend the Auckland thing so I can avoid the Australia day nonsense
strange juniper
hahah ive seen that at league tournaments and people showing up with measuring t...
ngl i'd do the same. it throws me off when something is off about my keyboard position/seat position etc
oak finch
I'd consider going to the nz one but it's on Australia day
not to mention australians might fly over for easy championship points against the kiwis 😔
robust arrow
lord one can only be so dense
real prairie
jesus, leave it!
cyan smelt
Nah all the good Australian players will have already qualified through good placing in GCs and our own regionals
real prairie
Actually maybe I should make plans to attend the Auckland thing so I can avoid t...
Not a bad shout
brave hazel
lord one can only be so dense
Dictionary > random discords opinion
oak finch
i dont live in auckland so ive already booked to go months before registrations open, costing about 2k 😭
real prairie
i dont live in auckland so ive already booked to go months before registrations ...
JESUS
gentle cragBOT
🔇 Muted winters_626 for 2 hours
oak finch
they cant confirm when reg opens, how many, or general vibe in the local scene
so just have to hope i get a spot lol
cyan smelt
I shudder to think how much a plane ticket + accom will be
real prairie
I shudder to think if @oak finch doesn't get a spot
oak finch
flights were around 200 then the hotel 1000, rental car 500 (lucky im splitting with two friends)
cyan smelt
Do you even have locals over there
oak finch
its a shit time to travel middle of school holidays and summer in nz
oak finch
Do you even have locals over there
only in Auckland (dont live there)
well no VGC locals, theres TCG in every city
cyan smelt
Man vgc is small in Oceania
oak finch
so i cant do cups or anything, havent done any in person practice since i started a year ago ish
real prairie
I live in England and locals are lacking 🤣
cyan smelt
I'm gonna check cost of flights just out of interest
oak finch
i did TCG locals for around 3 years before VGC
real prairie
oh theres plenty of TCG
oak finch
trying to get packs now is a joke lmao
real prairie
trying to get packs now is a joke lmao
win them at a regional 🤣
oak finch
the first regional since 2017 and i have to pick VGC over TCG 😔
the nz vgc discord of the only people who run play! events has 120 members
so maybe 80% of them live in auckland and might go to the SPC
so maybe 100-200 people
the VGC portion is only goign to be 4 hours for all rounds so i dont think theres gonna be many spots, it might even be brackets only
day 1 and half of day 2 are TCG, then the remainder of day 1 is vgc 😭
oak finch
not even including a hotel in the middle of tourist season lol
robust arrow
that bit is why I'd never go to tournaments IRL
cyan smelt
Oof yeah
oak finch
its also just in a random mall card shop in the suburbs lol
robust arrow
the odds of getting a return on your money is slim
cyan smelt
Weird, the Brisbane one is at the exhibition centre
oak finch
im going for fun, itll be my first in person event ever so i hope i enjoy/place okay so i can justify goign to AUS regionals
cyan smelt
Probably a lot bigger than Auckland
oak finch
lol this one is in a card shop and has maybe 60 spots max id guess
cyan smelt
I need to register for Brisbane and come up with a team
oak finch
the odds of getting a return on your money is slim
because this is SPC i dont think theres even cash prizes lol
cyan smelt
I got my ass kicked at last Brisbane regional
oak finch
last year?
stone trellis
I need to register for Brisbane and come up with a team
My team sucks that bad, huh?
cyan smelt
No I just don't trust my piloting or judgement because I thought ursa bm with av was a good call
stone trellis
I'll be the one making the calls then.
cyan smelt
I used Conner's team at the last one but I feel I've gotten significantly worse at the game since then
oak finch
It was my first regional
in the 26-27 season i want to try attend all the aussie regionals 🤞
cyan smelt
So far only Brisbane is confirmed
stone trellis
I used Conner's team at the last one but I feel I've gotten significantly worse ...
We can play a couple games so you can get better.
cyan smelt
I need to properly read pasrs
stone trellis
First of all, keep Chomp.
If you want to, you can even forgo the defensive Tera and go nuclear with Tera Ground.
cyan smelt
I'm worried about acro sneasler and tera fire ape
stone trellis
Genuinely, the fuck are those two doing to you?
cyan smelt
And I struggled hard against rain
stone trellis
Tera Fire Ape does NOT live EQ.
cyan smelt
I'm leading wrong all the time then
stone trellis
Yeah, you are.
cyan smelt
See what I mean, I suck
waxen dock
am i the only one that still uses max max speards?
stone trellis
Here's my first piece of advice:
- If the opponent has Incin, always lead Torkoal + Whimsicott. You get a free switch turn 1 while setting up the sun.
stone trellis
am i the only one that still uses max max speards?
No, I use them too sometimes.
cyan smelt
I struggle with gambit too
waxen dock
i have 2 max max speard on my gc team
the one that i got to 12th place with
and most of the spreads are like 232 252 or something
still similar to max max
stone trellis
I struggle with gambit too
Force them to Tera early, then he's Chomp food.
236 / 252 / 20?
cyan smelt
Anyway I should have gone to sleep half an hour ago, maybe I can think better in the morning
oak finch
gl 🙏
real prairie
Anyway I should have gone to sleep half an hour ago, maybe I can think better in...
throw ideas at me if you get stuck
have a good night
cyan smelt
I only got half ideas at the moment and idk if they're even coherent
real prairie
Here's my first piece of advice:
1. If the opponent has Incin, always lead Torko...
in open teamsheets i love using this to my advantage especially if TR is up
real prairie
I only got half ideas at the moment and idk if they're even coherent
yeah, i considered focus sash max SpAtk max Speed Stalwart archaludon in a dream the other night 🤣
stone trellis
I finally landed a goddamn Snarl on CSR.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2444898139-299ctk70ub3jvsa4j4ag20r5u8l8nptpw
Third time's the charm.
cyan smelt
Oh and I feel like I need to have better opinions and not brain dead ones, earlier I had a dumb opinion about the plza DLC that I didn't think through and just before I ranted about singles when I know nothing about it
stone trellis
magic sierra
So, was someone gonna tell me sucker punch kinggambit slaps hard even without SD/SO, or was I supposed to look wide-eyed at the damage calcs when I finally decided to train one up?
robust arrow
lol the winters user came in full speed in my DM and they somehow left this server
dropping slurs and what not
asked to show me their showdown acc... i promptly got ignored lmao
''i rarely lose''
stone trellis
?
primal saddle
https://pokepast.es/0c3ed30c97bcee9a how do you guys feel about this reg h team?
stone trellis
Tera Dark on Mirai is so GOATed.
