competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

yeah that i know but yeah for me who only has a gmax rilla

I would just be carried lmao

[lofty tartan]

I did an insane amount of raids

Gmax Rilla would've been more welcome than a lot of what I saw.

I loved going into Suicune with my buddy on the left rocking Scorbunny

I lost quite a few raid passes to people trying to be carried that didn't even put something in that could survive a single hit.

I could help carry like one other person pretty well but if half the raid was being carried, it sucked.

The max battles that restrict you to 4 members hurt

[solid frigate]

man

[lofty tartan]

That was Kanto Birds, the Dogs, and Latios/Latias. 4 people max

Eternatus let you go to 100 people max

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- [Fighting]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Rock

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Flying, Psychic

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

cool

[lofty tartan]

If you have a Zama and a Dmax Blissey, and a half-decent attacker, you're a reliable addition to 90% of max battles

You don't even need a Metagross for a tank because you have Zama

[solid frigate]

noice

[lofty tartan]

Max level Max Guard Zama is top tier tank, Blissey is second, and unleveled Max Guard Zama is 3rd, with Metagross 4th

Zama/Metagross are just terrible into things like Entei/Charizard/Moltres, obv

I saw so many Zac/Zama go down to Entei

[shadow wind]

Looking for another special attacker anyone got ideas?

[cyan smelt]

kilowattrel pairs well with garchomp

[shadow wind]

Kilowattrel is also hot trash

What are the chances

5/6 mons

[dense latch]

dozogiri 💔

[shadow wind]

Ion wanna hear it

I get ratio'd by Dnite every day of the week

At least it isn't Sneezer

[bold geode]

Don't talk shit bout my boy Sneasler

[shadow wind]

Nah screw Sneasler to the ends of the earth bro

One of the least fun mons to play against

[bold geode]

Covert Cloak redirection
Thank me later

That or Electabuzz

[shadow wind]

No mon can take consistent CC + Expanding forces

[short quiver]

if only sableye learned follow me

[shadow wind]

Sneasler + Ape are just my ops in Reg H

[short quiver]

if sableye learned follow me all our answers would be solved

yo chat they could give one of the mega raichu’s motor drive

that ability died after black & white but its really good

[shadow wind]

Dog it's one turn 😭

[woven pelican]

ah yes, my opponent is hacking because they landed a sludge bomb and it poisoned me, which is what a sludge bomb can do

[shadow wind]

In game one

Oh my god they got minced game 2 as well

[foggy lodge]

I would be annoyed if sludge bomb poisoned my set up volc tbf

[shadow wind]

Serves them right

[shadow wind]

Yeah but would you complain to your opponent?

[foggy lodge]

Eh

[shadow wind]

And it's a game 1

[cyan smelt]

Think I might go back to covert cloak salamence with tailwind

[dense latch]

30% chance and he's saying it's hax bro has it so good 😭

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm saying

Also if I want taunt incin what move do I drop?

[foggy lodge]

I remember I poisoned so many Dondozos in reg G with sludge bomb Amoonguss lmfao

[forest arrow]

Flare blitz usually

[dense latch]

fake out knock off and pivot move are locks so whatever you have as your 4th move

[shadow wind]

Hmm

Mayhaps

[foggy lodge]

0 SpA Amoonguss Sludge Bomb vs. +2 116 HP / 76 SpD Tera Grass Dondozo: 56-68 (23.3 - 28.3%) -- possible 5HKO

This was my Dozo MU back then

[shadow wind]

Goat

Why not just smog?

[foggy lodge]

Getting the poison was an insta lose for them tho

[foggy lodge]

Because I needed sludge bomb for every single other MU

My line into CSR Dozogiri was Zamazenta Chien Pao and Amoonguss Raging Bolt in the back

Force CSR to tera early or leave the field with Chien-Pao and WG mindgames and threaten Weezing with heavy slam

And Raging Bolt + Amoonguss would clean up the Dozogiri

I miss when I had motivation for this game where I would study this things in more detail

[rustic mountain]

idk if id go that far

its not good either tho

[shadow wind]

I'm giving him a shot

[foggy lodge]

I think Kilowattrel is only good for P2 Ursa teams

[rustic mountain]

its a solid mon

[foggy lodge]

As the usual 6th slot mon that rotates all the time on that archetype

[rustic mountain]

eh ive seen it on like chomp balance teams too as a tw option, its ok

[foggy lodge]

I think competitive + actual electric coverage is crazy

But its very specific for the MUs that its meant to work into

I hope Ribombee wins Frankfurt

My bets will be on that mon during this days of the format

[rustic mountain]

it is in theory and then u play kilowattrel barely get competitive activated and miss out on crucial kos on stuff u need to cuz its stats arent great

[shadow wind]

Holy people are salty today 😭

Must be the Dozo

[rustic mountain]

idk if id say thats salty

[shadow wind]

It's verbal salt which is more than silent salt

[rustic mountain]

did u get lucky tho

[foggy lodge]

nvm the ribombee guy already lost

fuckkkkkk

[shadow wind]

Not extremely

I hit all my muddy waters

[rustic mountain]

eh

[shadow wind]

I did get a drop but they never missed cause of it

[foggy lodge]

The guy was 5-1 and lost his two win and ins in a row

[rustic mountain]

if the wincon from ur opp was u missing muddy watters thats more on them then anything

[foggy lodge]

Fs

When I play against those teams I just assume they are gonna connect every hit

[rustic mountain]

100%

[foggy lodge]

you have to play like that imo

[shadow wind]

What in the game state

[rustic mountain]

like if ur in dire straints and thats ur only win con sure u can play into it but otherwise like u should not be thinking man this guy hit two heat waves hes so lucky lmfao

[foggy lodge]

If your wincon is jumpluff missing sleep powder constantly or Dragonite missing scale shot then its your fault

[rustic mountain]

yea i think ppl have some sort of blockage towards looking past the game on the surface and actual deep dive analyze whats actually going on in terms of why they are getting the same results

[foggy lodge]

Unless the MU is a genuine auto loss or you are in the endgame scenario of "If they miss this move I win" then fair

But those cases are still cases you should be avoiding

When there's sucker punch/tclap I try with all my efforts to not let the game end in those 50/50s

[rustic mountain]

its good to be able to identify win cons at all points even really outlandish ones but yea ofc u dont wanna make a habit of finding urself w/ needing a freeze a crit or w/e to win

[shadow wind]

Man I really did just get para'd 5 times

And I got it from dire claw

[foggy lodge]

See your opponent found the win con

[shadow wind]

I would've preferred sleep

[rustic mountain]

i had something similar the other day except it was grimm twave

my amoongus needed to move once in 4/5 tries and it never was able to and i lost

[shadow wind]

Anything that stops you from moving is frusterating

[rustic mountain]

yea it sucked but like

9.9/10 we play that game i win

[foggy lodge]

imo paralyze should be reworked to only get the speed drop

[rustic mountain]

players will take that win and not realize they didnt deserve it and dont look at wat they couldve done to not rely on that for winning

u gotta be able to handle even ur wins like losses sometimes

[foggy lodge]

Fr

Even the games you win can often be played better

[rustic mountain]

exactly

almost always honestly haha

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

I have to do more vod review

[rustic mountain]

can be really helpful. just would say to focus more on the quality aspect over quantity

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

not necessarily laddering a bunch of games

[foggy lodge]

Like you don't get much from analyzing a bunch of ladder 1200 elo games

Often that one or two sets against friends are better

[foggy lodge]

I think I also have to learn to calculate risks better

[rustic mountain]

now thats salty

[shadow wind]

To be fair it is an annoying team

But my Dozo team beat a team with Haze Dnite 🙏

[foggy lodge]

Like if you analyze Marco vs Torviv LAIC you can see that Marco actually played really calculated about every move he made

Where missing a sleep powder or a heat wave didn't really change the outcome of the match

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/6e680972fdf1e0c3

Tree what are your thoughts on this team

[rustic mountain]

bizarro world 2-2-2

[shadow wind]

Actually?

[rustic mountain]

kinda yea, idk if i quite understand the weezing add one specifically

i see the disquake duo, dozogiri, incins the goat so sure and then theres weezing

[shadow wind]

The plan is for Dnite and Sneasler

[foggy lodge]

Guys who do you think will win Frankfurt and Monterrey

I think Shohei can win Frankfurt

[shadow wind]

Alright Reg H is over

Man Reg H is actually so draining

There's zero passion in it

[short quiver]

this team looks like the guy she tells you not to worry about TT

what the hell is this

[shadow wind]

I just realized why I'm so inconsistent in Reg H

I'm not using teams I find fun

[short quiver]

understandable

[cyan smelt]

Well sniper kingdra was fun when it worked for me but I need to find a way to make it more consistent

[left bobcat]

Nah swift swim

[shadow wind]

New blunder video dropped today and I think it might be goated beyond belief

[stone trellis]

I used a team I enjoyed for the GC, shit wasn't even finished by the time I had to leave my hometown so half the Tera Types were wrong. And somehow it did better than the "perfect" version I'd built on Showdown.

Was it because GOAT 4 refused to die and was pulling unreasonable damage calcs out of her ass the entire time? Maybe.

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Filters

• Learns Encore
• Learns Tailwind

Results (19)

Dragonite, Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Togetic, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Volbeat, Illumise, Chatot, Lumineon, Togekiss, Cottonee, Whimsicott, Emolga, Hawlucha, Toucannon, Comfey

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

Filters

• Learns Encore

Results (239)

Blacephalon, Toxel, Toxtricity, Toxtricity-Low-Key, Toxtricity-Gmax, Toxtricity-Low-Key-Gmax, Mr. Rime, Alcremie, Alcremie-Gmax, Indeedee, Zarude, Zarude-Dada, Calyrex, Calyrex-Ice, Calyrex-Shadow, Fuecoco, Crocalor, Skeledirge, Quaxly, Quaxwell, Quaquaval, Pawmi, Pawmo, Pawmot, Tandemaus, Maushold, Maushold-Four, Arboliva, Shroodle, Grafaiai, Tinkatink, Tinkatuff, Tinkaton, Finizen, Palafin, Palafin-Hero, Annihilape, Scream Tail, Iron Bundle, Iron Valiant, Ogerpon, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Ogerpon-Cornerstone, Ogerpon-Teal-Tera, Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera, Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera, Ogerpon-Cornerstone-Tera

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

Like me in my rain team basically

We have day 1 teams?

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2441415435

I'm him.

[chrome knot]

@real prairie ive conformed

(bringing maus ape to local)

[real prairie]

Yeah me too

[cyan smelt]

Seen some rain teams with peli arch mausape and sinistcha

[real prairie]

Yeah quite common, rage powder life dew hospitality works great with arch

[cyan smelt]

More healing for ape is great too

[left bobcat]

Shoo

[foggy lodge]

WHY IS A SABLEYE ON TOP 8

[real prairie]

Reg H things

[bold geode]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(Have fun)

[chrome knot]

dunno i just wanna play more mario kart so end local as fast as i can

[bold geode]

LOL

Rage Fist everything away so I can play Mario Kart fuck it

[real prairie]

Lagging tail makes them go last in TR too right?

[bold geode]

Chat we have a chance to have a Shohei v Medina finals

Peak

[upper zealot]

hopefully

[stone trellis]

Shohei Kimura?

What regional is he at?

[upper zealot]

frankfurt

[stone trellis]

Why the hell is a Japanese player playing at a German regional?

[real prairie]

Practice

[bold geode]

Why are we Electric tera Ursaluna

[real prairie]

Guess I have no excuses team wise now to enter either Lille or Gdansk

[real prairie]

I'm really not sure lol

[bold geode]

Japanese circuit is hard as hell to qualify for and Shohei probably can afford the trip so if you have a chance to skip that hard ass circuit then

Shohei has a fat lead

It looks so dumb

I feel like here you just tera Maus Follow Me and Shadow Ball Ursa no? Unless you're predicting a Protect

Oh switch?

YOU PROTECT HERE WTF

Nah crazy

[next stump]

Shohei is so good that he can just profit off these international trips

he's definitely staying with friends so he just needs to make like $1000+ to cover flight and he's profitting

[real prairie]

Either shohei has really fast mons or there is no investment in that Ursaluna and that was just stupid

[brave hazel]

This has the pokemon community “ the normal players “ in outrage.

I’m not really fussed about it tho, even tho I caught tons of shiny marked pokemon ready for megas. I’m more than happy to just use them when champions drop. I don’t need to transfer anything to this game tbh

[real prairie]

You can't transfer anything caught in ZA out either

[brave hazel]

Wrong channel 💀💀💀💀 sorry

[zealous sigil]

BOO

[real prairie]

So it's all a bit meh

[real prairie]

It's relevant

But we have discussed already

[zealous sigil]

this is hella dissapointing. I wanted za pokemon in scarlet/violet

[brave hazel]

Yeah I’ve read this, that don’t bother me either. All pokemon found in ZA are basically found in SV anyways.

As long as you can transfer from SV to champions idc, even if they lock pokemon inside champions, that won’t bother me either

[zealous sigil]

🙁

[brave hazel]

They basically all are ? Minus a few

[zealous sigil]

(cough cough) megas?

[brave hazel]

All megas are in SV with the dlc, minus maybe 1 or 2

talking about the newer ones to

[bold geode]

What was that Icy Wind into Ape Game 2?

[zealous sigil]

wth there are no megas in scarlet violet

u on crack or smth

[brave hazel]

I’m talking about the pokemon that can mega. I’m not talking about mega them in SV

[bold geode]

The mons are in the game

[real prairie]

Thought his Ursaluna would be faster after the speed drop

[zealous sigil]

ohhh kk

[real prairie]

He was wrong

[brave hazel]

You couldn’t mega them regardless in SV.

[zealous sigil]

ye ik

[bold geode]

Eeeehhhhh I think it's too risky tbh

[real prairie]

Yes it was stupid, could have done the same play with protect

And then icy wind again next turn

[bold geode]

Yeah
That play lost him the game

[real prairie]

As you had sash on Ninetails

[brave hazel]

As long as we can transfer from SV to champions. IDC. Over the past 3 months I’ve managed to obtain more then 170 shiny 6iv rare marked pokemon ready for champions

[bold geode]

?
What are we cooking here

[brave hazel]

So if that was wasted, I’d probs quit the game tbh.

[zealous sigil]

wth

how??

touch grass??

[brave hazel]

Yeah, I’ve been grinding like crazy. Sandwich after sandwich. Egg after egg

[tiny karma]

Move: Super Fang

Deals damage to the target equal to half of its current HP, rounded down, but not less than 1 HP.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[zealous sigil]

crazy

[brave hazel]

I do, I work & gym 2 hours a day

[bold geode]

Oh
I didn't know Super Fang could miss

[zealous sigil]

nice

[brave hazel]

Sandwiches made it easy. Kinda effortless tbh

[zealous sigil]

oh yeah?

[real prairie]

And for that reason, I won't be running it lol

Literally running surf because I'm not comfortable with misses lol

[bold geode]

If you know how to do it right, then sandwiches go crazy

[brave hazel]

Yeah 100%

[bold geode]

Do you force outbreaks or

[zealous sigil]

I just use rental teams so I dont have to worry about ts

[brave hazel]

I just hope they carry marks over the champions. Feels like it’s a big thing yah know, countless hours spent on marks

[brave hazel]

Sometimes yes, for specific pokemon

recluse delpfox shiny took me multiple weeks with tons of forced outbreaks

[zealous sigil]

wow

[brave hazel]

this was before I found it it has a mega. So I was over the moon. Definitely gonna main it.

[zealous sigil]

is the dlc worth it as a broke teenager

?

[zealous sigil]

W

[bold geode]

Does Emanuele win this?

[brave hazel]

It gives you access to better things to train your pokemon so yeah. But you use rental teams so not really in your case

DLC is only good if you wanna shiny mark hunt or if you’re training multiple pokemon for online battles

[zealous sigil]

yeah, in the future i'd like to start training my own, but rn i mostly just do showdown and wifi battles lol

[brave hazel]

Yeah I’ve only used the Nintendo pokemon games, haven’t touched showdown or anything like that at all

[bold geode]

Kostas has so much energy and I love it

[upper zealot]

+4 sneasler damn

[real prairie]

Wild to have a Sneasler with no dire claw lol

[zealous sigil]

showdown is the G.O.A.T. if you want to get better at competitive

[bold geode]

We've went back to the old Sneasler set LMAO

[zealous sigil]

XD

[brave hazel]

I’ll buy ZA just for the sake of having it & see how things change with the transferring. I don’t really care about it because I’m not a fan of there new battle system they have going. I never played arceus for the same reason.

Keen for champs tho, just hope it’s not a major let down. Wish the time was closer so we could start getting actual information on it

[real prairie]

No recovery from turn 1 there

[brave hazel]

The offical announcement with the duel mega raichu is insane tho.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2441479037-5vj7cdp85kqbofh3p7ilpeul77bh6h0pw

3 Arceus-Mirai teams faced, 3 beaten.

Even when they play optimally, I still win. What the fuck?

[brave hazel]

Anyways I’m interrupting yall competitive talk. Goodnight 🫡

[real prairie]

Haha all good

[zealous sigil]

agreed

also my username is goated

@zealous sigil

[bold geode]

Anyways chat
Y'all are finna see...
A team

[bold geode]

Had to step away, I'm guessing the Espathra is eating shit

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2441498237-vaft9jhlrbeocfsgqj11vu6pk6sg05tpw

I fucking hate myself.

TWO CRITS AND SNARL MISSED

DID I UPSET GOD?

[bold geode]

Shit happens

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you just happen to get a 1/11520 scenario that prevents you from winning.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Shit happens

[stone trellis]

That doesn't help.

I was doing well.

I had broken into the 1500s.

But then I just had to start losing.

Fuck this.

[bold geode]

Hydreigon needs two crits probably

Needs a crit

[foggy lodge]

TORVIV LET'S GOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-shimmy-foongus-dance-pokemon-dance-gif-7650366972943876047

[real prairie]

I didn't know the shroom had moves like this

[bold geode]

LET'S GO HARRY POTTER

Look at Incineroar
Can win everything but Worlds

OUCH

Helping Hand Shadow Ball?

Wait that don't work LMAO

[real prairie]

On the plus side, we might all get a second free Ursaluna blood moon lol

Or is it just internationals we get free mons from?

[bold geode]

Internats

[real prairie]

Ah bummer

[bold geode]

I think Medina is playing too defensively here

Not taking any risks when he really needs to

You needed to get a read or two correct in this game
That double switch actually would've been a good turn to go for TW

And the turn before that the Peli needed to attack Rillaboom

[foggy lodge]

THIS PLAY CHANGES EVERYTHING

AAAAA

[bold geode]

Eh
He needs to break thru the cycle somehow

[foggy lodge]

glide kos pelipper or not

[bold geode]

This is a weird position

[foggy lodge]

what is he doing

[bold geode]

This is a great switch for Emanuele

[foggy lodge]

Its over

He read the protect

DOUBLE PROTECT

[bold geode]

Yeah he needs a double protect

OH

[foggy lodge]

AAAAAA

[bold geode]

Low-key
You give up boosts here

[foggy lodge]

Does aqua jet just kill

[bold geode]

Maybe

[foggy lodge]

If it does it's aqua jet shadow ball

[bold geode]

Does Shadow Ball get Incin

Oh damn

But once again was that play worth it?

[foggy lodge]

Its icy wind protect

Lele wins because of the timer

[bold geode]

Icy Win Protect
Medina needs a mistake

Yeah GGs

[foggy lodge]

The GC team won wtf

[bold geode]

Damn
The TW was the play but I think he needed to TW way earlier

He needed to outspeed that A9

[foggy lodge]

Welp balance inci rilla won

looking at the results

Nothing of the format changed I hate it here

[bold geode]

Nah bro
We went back to the old Sneasler set

Medina could've won that game, there were just two turns he played defensively that just killed him

There were points in that game where Medina needed to be more aggressive or get a call right and he didn't so
Eh pressure could've been on and Emanuele played that well too

Holy shit Marcus Dion is 9-0 playing R10 in Monterrey

Can Medina win already damn

[grizzled ruin]

Second running of the weekly tuesday night reg h tour, come join bting a tean to tweak try out or plain cause chaos. All are welcome

[zealous sigil]

okay, i currently suck at reg h and reg j, can yall give me some tips on how to counter the meta?

[foggy lodge]

pick up a team from tournaments

Cybertron is 7-2 at Monterrey rn lets go Aaron

[zealous sigil]

dats what i do

[zealous sigil]

there are no reg j tournaments

[foggy lodge]

meh its not like reg J is more than a nothing burger format

[zealous sigil]

lol true

i think using hisuian zoroark would be fun, can yall help with the rest of a core and making him legal?

good** idk why i said legal lmao

maybe a hyper offense team?

[bold geode]

Personally I wouldn't worry about countering it
I'd just grab teams and learn the game
Idk how new you are to the game but like
No matter if you are or not, there's gonna be points where you suck

You got a lose to win

[zealous sigil]

true

[real prairie]

we have all the teams yet?

[zealous sigil]

im still gonna try hisuian zoroark he seems underrated

[real prairie]

yes we do

https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000151/masters/

[bold geode]

It's like
It's good into Annihilape and not really into other stuff

[boreal creek]

The problem is their move pool is mid

[zealous sigil]

true, but i like running sash, nasty plot, shadow ball, tera fighting tera blast, and hyper voice

[bold geode]

Not the movepool it's just
It's just not that good in a lot of senses
It's a mon that for Reg H like

[zealous sigil]

im using it for reg h 😛

[bold geode]

In general there's a lot of mons that look good on paper but not in execution and that's Hisuian Zoroark

[zealous sigil]

: P

[boreal creek]

What’s a good counter for Tera normal extreme speed arceus/dragonite

[zealous sigil]

psychic terrain

[boreal creek]

You’re so right

[bold geode]

But anyways, yeah my best advice legitimately
Don't focus too much on the losses, focus on why and how to improve and play the best you can consistently

[boreal creek]

Who’s the best psychic terrain rn? Indeedee?

Tapu fini isn’t in rn right

[dense latch]

no

[zealous sigil]

indeedee f yeah

[dense latch]

you can also use farig

[solid frigate]

thats the only one

And tapu fini is a misty surge user-

[boreal creek]

Oops thinking of lele

[zealous sigil]

farigaraf as well ue

ye*

[boreal creek]

I’m getting my ass beat by intimidate

[zealous sigil]

do i go assault vest, rocky helm, or safety goggles incin?

[boreal creek]

Dude I can’t even remember what I use on my incin I just know I like parting shot

[solid frigate]

fake out flare blitz knock off parting shot or uturn

[short quiver]

can Horizons give me new episodes already 😔

[real prairie]

team with 5 mons went 9-3 lol

[boreal creek]

I like parting shot over uturn but if you like uturn id think assault vest is better

[solid frigate]

....

thats like the only option for Uturn-

@bold geode basicallyy influenced me on using it lmao

[boreal creek]

I literally just got back into pokemon yesterday :(

[zealous sigil]

whats the best ev spread for my incin/

im running knock off, fakeout, parting shot, flare blitz

[solid frigate]

what item

[boreal creek]

It’s 252 hp 96 def and 160 something spd I believe

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2441547952 finally seem to be getting the hang of this team, im loving brute bonnet so far

[boreal creek]

I’m dreading the day when people realize how good wo chien is. I hate going against it

[short quiver]

team looks fun

[zealous sigil]

I agree

[timber falcon]

iicr last regulation or 2 theres was a wo chien/kyogre team that was the bane of my existance

[solid frigate]

we ignore NAIC top 8 in Reg G

[zealous sigil]

wo chien sucks tho, thats the grass one, right?

[boreal creek]

I don’t know anything about what you said

[boreal creek]

Yes

[timber falcon]

not if used correctly

can be a real force of nature

[zealous sigil]

yeah ig

[boreal creek]

Wo chien is a menace

[boreal creek]

Haha get it guys

[short quiver]

pun intended?

[timber falcon]

[short quiver]

is there a paste for this team 😃

[real prairie]

not yet

[short quiver]

unfortunate

[timber falcon]

btw does anyone really play reg J, or does everyone hate it therefore play reg H instead?

[short quiver]

i play reg j

but i literally just play it like reg I

[zealous sigil]

the fuck? no? its not a genie?

[timber falcon]

same

[solid frigate]

Wo-Chien+Kyogre ain't that bad but thats like Shiliang's piloting is immaculate to do this

I guess i did 17-2 as well in ladder

[zealous sigil]

same lmao

[boreal creek]

Idk what yall are talking about I just play casual games and spam legendaries cause I’m not good

[zealous sigil]

wanna 1v1? i suck too!

[zealous sigil]

u play showdown?

[boreal creek]

Nah

[timber falcon]

even had the team saved so i could learn how to beat it

[zealous sigil]

lol

[boreal creek]

Showdown has way too much bs for me to handle 😭

[timber falcon]

so casual?

[zealous sigil]

lol, lets just 1v1

make a team on showdown

i will battle u

[boreal creek]

Mayhaps. I’m spending time with my girlfriend rn tho

[timber falcon]

the team literally conditioned me to feel an imepending sense of doom whenever wo chien was in the line up

[solid frigate]

technically the quad dark is fine cuz all did different things

[timber falcon]

and im pretty sure the team murdered the chances of caly-s doing any damage whatsoever

[solid frigate]

i literally made an off meta AV kyogre+Wo Chien and i am desperate enough to try Grimm Whims Boulder

[zealous sigil]

heres the team i made with that earlier

its A LITTLE weird

Zoroark-Hisui @ Focus Sash
Ability: Illusion
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

Maushold-Four @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Follow Me
• Beat Up
• Taunt

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mind's Eye
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 172 SpA / 80 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Earth Power
• Blood Moon
• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast

Annihilape @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rage Fist
• Close Combat
• Final Gambit
• Drain Punch

Sinistcha-Masterpiece @ Leftovers
Ability: Hospitality
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Rage Powder
• Matcha Gotcha
• Shadow Ball
• Trick Room

Incineroar @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 140 Def
Adamant Nature

• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot
• Fake Out

any feedback?

[solid frigate]

Put it in Pokepaste please

[timber falcon]

mhm

[foggy lodge]

Why scarf ape

[timber falcon]

cause final gambit

[waxen dock]

but scarf maushape

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but why maushold beat up then

[timber falcon]

no clue actually

[foggy lodge]

Also why so much attack on incin

[timber falcon]

offensive maushold doesnt make any sense there

[foggy lodge]

Loaded dice maushold what

That's just worse wide lens for maushold

[timber falcon]

the ursaluna aslo wasting some evs though is a bit of a nitpick

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the blursa is suboptimal

I think np zoroark is horrible tbh

More with sash cuz like it gets np get one big attack and then die

[timber falcon]

how so? theyve got redirection to assist with that

[foggy lodge]

Cause its still zoroark

And if they have redirection then the sash just doesn't make much sense

[timber falcon]

maybe, smth like lorb/silk scarf then maybe?

[dense latch]

shohei's team is so good

[foggy lodge]

Its a broken team

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/221b958d6cd85cd7 this is an old reg H team of mine i plan on using, thoughts?

its been a while so im not sure if its viable anymore

[waxen dock]

why are you using farig? also why not av arch

[short quiver]

silk scarf hypervoice hisuian zoroark. hell yeah.

[sacred flare]

Can someone help me build a team for this format? First time doing it but I have close to 0 knowledge in vcg

[next stump]

Are you playing Regulation J or H?

[sacred flare]

I’m not playing at all for the moment, I thought there was just one way that is the one I saw the stream yesterday

[next stump]

Was it an in person tournament you were watching?

[sacred flare]

Yes it was, Frankfurt

[polar canyon]

I was looking to try my old reg h team a couple weeks ago that I had been talking about before with weezing ursa

Idk what I was smoking back then

The team had some good ideas that are a hill I'm willing to die on but overall all the team composition accomplished was countering archa peli and ape

[next stump]

Okay awesome, that’s Regulation H. Let me send you a webpage that will have all of the teams used in that tournament and you can pick a few that look cool to start

https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000151/masters/

[polar canyon]

Do you think it could be important to clarify the deal with vgc formats right now and the format for ranked battles being different

[foggy lodge]

There's already a super big message about that pinned

[stone trellis]

I wonder what the top team would be if we had a restricted format like the one in 2010.

[bold geode]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1967277485240066056?t=rmpFsodRZOunrRl6EK6wiw&s=19

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

Congratulations to the 9 players making it to the Top Cut at the 🇲🇽 2026 Monterrey Regional Championships! 🥳

The action is on! 🎮
📲 #PlayPokemon

X · Sep 14, 2025, 5:21 PM

[sacred flare]

What do you mean?

[dense latch]

ranked battles in scarlet and violet use a different ruleset than the irl tournaments

[sacred flare]

Thanks, what would you say could be a good start? Just because i have eventually to either train or get the pokemon i need

[gentle crag]

nikolas09154 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[sacred flare]

So that means?

[dense latch]

.

[bold geode]

@next stump ngl I think it'd be very beneficial for everyone in the NA circuit if Marcus wins Monterrey LMAO

[timber falcon]

Not AV arch because the entire concept was that I wanted to try a different arch set if I can remember. Like I said I made the team a while ago so I’m not too sure why farig is there

[real prairie]

wtf is with showdown recently

going down daily

[foggy lodge]

My bet is on Justin

[bold geode]

Nah I want Marcus to win so he's out of the pool LOL

[bitter heart]

For survivability in general, would it be more effective to put all remaining EVs in HP or split it between Def & SpDef? (Assuming the mon has the same base Def/SpDef with 256 EVs remaining)

[solid frigate]

It depends on what Mon are you building

[bitter heart]

Was trying to make a Magearna for a trick room team, but also just wondering how to allocate survivability EVs in general

Does it mostly just depend on what kind of meta mons threaten it? I don’t know anything about the current official format metas lol

[clear helm]

could a max attack Adamant rampardos one shot a mad hp crawdaunt with head smash?

I feel like they prob could easily but idk 🤷‍♀️

[bold geode]

https://x.com/unironicpanda/status/1967309015802937670?t=jRAVZ5eNRJKDtjM1nSUQgw&s=19
@next stump man what is Pengy smokin

justin tang (@unironicpanda)

im scared

X · Sep 14, 2025, 7:26 PM

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Klawf: 150-177 (84.7 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

It's barely in KO range.

[clear helm]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

spring6118 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[polar canyon]

That's not a crawdaunt

[polar canyon]

Judging from you asking you probably would benefit from learning about this site existing

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

There's also the showdown damage calc but that one doesn't have some of the qol features this one has

[primal saddle]

is reg h available on vgc ladder? or is it only j

[foggy lodge]

Its only reg j

Reg H is only used for tournaments

[real prairie]

friendly ladder is unofficially reg H atm

[primal saddle]

ahhh damn reg h is so much better

[stone trellis]

I'm a fucking idiot.

[stone trellis]

So we got a winner?

[tiny karma]

Move: Bitter Malice

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

How Ogerpon Hearthflame feels when it's seeing CSR and CIR argue over who gets to use it on their team:

[cerulean nacelle]

Got my draft team finally all set up. Excited to see this unfold with my 2 very low tier tera captains, bastiodon and glaceon.

[tiny karma]

Move: Crush Claw

Has a 50% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[zealous sigil]

wsg

[polar canyon]

Doubles or singles?

[bold geode]

https://x.com/PengyTwitch/status/1967343915750789450?t=bX5VyfjFGsRCUdbH10VYng&s=19
Chat

Stefan Mott (@PengyTwitch)

Oh my god I‘m a 2 time regional champion after beating my autoloss in finals

X · Sep 14, 2025, 9:45 PM

Garganacl, Sylveon and Scyther just won a regional

[stone trellis]

What's the full team?

[bold geode]

Can't find a paste yet

[cerulean nacelle]

Singles

[cyan smelt]

What won Monterrey

[foggy lodge]

Scyther

I am not fucking kidding

[cyan smelt]

Oh I mean Frankfurt

[bold geode]

SD Acrobatics Sneasler and Yawn Lefties Tera Electric BM Ursa
It was a team that won the GC

[cyan smelt]

Interesting

[cyan smelt]

I didn't even know blursa could learn yawn

[next stump]

insane team that won monterrey lol

[forest arrow]

Scyther strikes again lol

[short quiver]

i mean its not a bad mon right?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 123: Scyther

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Swarm, Technician, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/80/55/80/105

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

probably eviolite?

[cyan smelt]

What does it do? Is it for sneasler?

[short quiver]

tailwind maybe? 😭

where can i watch the monterrey regional vod

i see the one for frankfurt

[foggy lodge]

Nowhere

[next stump]

it wasn’t steamed :/

[short quiver]

steamed 🥀

bro got possessed by a walking wake

[next stump]

dual wingbeat is nice for sneasler

[foggy lodge]

I just know that the finals came down to Canesco needing a crit sucker punch to win

The whole venue prayed for it

And he didn't get the crit

[short quiver]

for monterrey? which i cant watch? 😒

[next stump]

U.S. winning means +1 worlds invite already

pog

[short quiver]

anything interesting happen at frankfurt?

[foggy lodge]

Dondozo hitted 4 fissures

[short quiver]

i wanted to watch monerrey i wanna see this scyther

[short quiver]

im disgusted

was it gravity or just pure luck 😭

[foggy lodge]

Luck

[short quiver]

damn 💀

[foggy lodge]

Fissure doesn't get affected by gravity

[next stump]

yawn leftovers ursaluna bloodmoon won

[foggy lodge]

That too

[short quiver]

so the gc team?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

With tera flying swords dance acrobatics sneasler

[short quiver]

i mean ig it won the gc for a reason 😭

[foggy lodge]

Its a strong team

[short quiver]

anyone bring anything troll? like totodile to worlds?

[cyan smelt]

Technician boosted dual wingbeat is scary

[foggy lodge]

A Spewpa

[short quiver]

AYO?

i like that person already

im gonna watch the vod anyways but how did they do

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/e61c89935bb03d0b

woah that's a pretty cool team

[short quiver]

besides the smeargle i agree

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/219b6aa7f8e3b430

[short quiver]

um

do you lead peli and have weezing in the back?

[next stump]

no cluye lol

[pulsar cloak]

3-5

[short quiver]

i wanna see this spewpa team

[pulsar cloak]

Same player was on stream with azelf in one of the Reg I EU events

[short quiver]

thats not so bad all things considered

[short quiver]

HELL YEAH

[pulsar cloak]

https://pokepast.es/960011c652e527b3

[short quiver]

spewpa the goat

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 665: Spewpa

Type

Bug

Abilities

Shed Skin, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

45/22/60/27/30/29

Total

213

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

i dont see how an eviolite can save those awful defenses though

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 666: Vivillon

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Shield Dust, Compound Eyes, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/52/50/90/50/89

Total

411

Other Formes

Vivillon-Fancy, Vivillon-Pokeball

Sableye version 4.28.4

[bold geode]

BRONZONG
How far did this go

[bold geode]

Why are all three of these good

Three good abilities

[short quiver]

because they had to make up for not trying with XY story somehow

its defenses are kinda lackluster for a friend guard mon

[pulsar cloak]

AV protect is the future

[short quiver]

av protect 💀

[next stump]

LOL missed that

I think they went 5-3

[short quiver]

i bet that protect didnt even come up

or maybe it was to cover getting the av knocked off or something? 😭

[next stump]

i would guess it was a teamsheet error they couldnt fix once the tourney started

[short quiver]

also possible

so how many losses can you have at a regional

5 losses seems like a lot

[dense latch]

for what

day 2? cut? winning?

[short quiver]

to be eliminated

the spewpa team went 3-5 apparently

[dense latch]

yea that gets you out in day 1

you have to go 6-2 or better to make day 2

[short quiver]

so you can lose as many games at it takes to total 8 games?

on day 1?

[next stump]

you can go 0-8 yeah

[short quiver]

has that happened before

[next stump]

yeah it usually happens once or twice per tournament

[short quiver]

oof

[dense latch]

then there’s usually four rounds in day 2 i believe

of which you can only lose one to reach the final bracket

[short quiver]

got it

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 212: Scizor

Types

Bug/Steel

Abilities

Swarm, Technician, Light Metal (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/130/100/55/80/65

Total

500

Other Formes

Scizor-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 123: Scyther

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Swarm, Technician, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/80/55/80/105

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.4

[primal saddle]

at what rating for reg j would i know i have a decent team?

[next stump]

it really depends on what your goals are

probably 1300-1400 you know you have something worth building in game

[primal saddle]

i am at 15000

1500

so i ishould build my tea

[next stump]

yeah I'd say so

[primal saddle]

thanks

[plush lark]

so does the new format allow mythicals?

[primal saddle]

it does but they all suck

[dense latch]

in game yes, in irl tournaments no

[primal saddle]

https://pokepast.es/b4ed5467b7d64439 anyone disagree with this team?

[short quiver]

magearna and arceus would like a word

[rustic mountain]

nah those also arent good enough for a restricted slot just less throwing then the other choices

[primal saddle]

magearna is terrible

[short quiver]

a shame marshadow isnt legal 😔

[rustic mountain]

idt itd b that good either

mythicals just really cant compete with the restricted mons

big mistake grouping them together

[dense latch]

no idea what they were cooking with reg j

[short quiver]

pain suffering and misery

and gravity dark void

which still happens to be pain suffering and misery

[short quiver]

it would probably be one of the less troll options at least

[deft meteor]

I have a quick question can you make a team around a max defense leveled Ceruledge or is that a crazy idea?)

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

stats are kinda eh

[rustic mountain]

if ur gna make a last format for fun, its certainly a choice to have mythicals take up a restricted slot

s13 of swsh was mythicals allowed and no cap on restricteds, it was a shit show but atleast it was fun

[short quiver]

marshadow is goated though 🥀

[dense latch]

i wish they had a separate restriction on mythicals at least

[short quiver]

ayo what

[rustic mountain]

yea

[rustic mountain]

ive said it countless times but 1 restricted 1 mythical, 2 restricted 1 mythical or just 1 mythical allowed wouldve all been infinitely better then wat they gave us

[solid frigate]

yeah it defeats all purpose of mythicals more than this one

Atp just run something from Reg I and you good

[rustic mountain]

literally

[bold geode]

Howdy Mr Tree

[rustic mountain]

yo

[solid frigate]

i don't think i ever touched reg J anyways

Don't need to worry anything

[short quiver]

i literally just play reg i teams lmao

[deft meteor]

Wait I'm confused are you guys saying that's a bad idea for a team build or?

[solid frigate]

Mythicals are usually just not that good compare to restricted legendaries

not usually

like never surpass the level of restricted legends in VGC

no matter Series 13 or reg J

[polar canyon]

Just wait until you see the learnset

Only valid excuse for using spewpa is that it's such a little guy

Such a fella

Very guy very little

I also just realized the wordplay with the name is spewing pupa

[foggy lodge]

Pengy's team wujuu

[boreal creek]

Ok so what’s the deal with garganacl I never understood

[short quiver]

it gets rage powder and has friend guard that instantly redeems it

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2441906813 brute bonnet in sun actually amazing

Lives normal Tera swords dance extreme speed

[rough turret]

Anyone feel adept enough to help me make a working team with these 4 Pokemon included. These are my 4 favorite pokemon:

Lucario, sceptile, dragapult and alolan vulpix

[real prairie]

With Ninetails its feasile, vulpix less so

[waxen dock]

Deagapult and alolan ninetales are good

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/625b05794db3eea8

Its not gonna win you a regional, but you might be able to have some fun with it

[rough turret]

I meant ninetales my bad

[rough turret]

Thanks you are the goat

[gentle crag]

kiminari3 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/konqvgc/status/1967346087821447569?s=46

Kian (@konqVGC)

congrats buddy @PengyTwitch

X · Sep 14, 2025, 9:53 PM

[short quiver]

@shadow wind what happened to forgotten crossroads 😭

[stone trellis]

When Brute Bonnet does it, it's the GOAT.

When Ice Rider takes 63-75%, it's worse than Shadow Rider and not even that good of a Pokemon. I mean, Arceus isn't even that good of a physical attacker, right?

[timber falcon]

Does ice rider only take that much of a hit?

+2 252 Atk Tera Normal Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 124-146 (59.9 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Correction:

+2 252 Atk Tera Normal Sword of Ruin Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 164-194 (79.2 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone trellis]

You never specified Sword of Ruin, so I assumed it was just regular Arceus and guessed how much it would do.

I wasn't even that far off.

Oh, I calced for Adamant.

[timber falcon]

Sword of ruin was in the video, should’ve mentioned and I’m assuming if it’s extreme speed it would be adamant actually

[real prairie]

labmaus is slacking, still no teams from the weekend

[timber falcon]

+2 252+ Atk Tera Normal Sword of Ruin Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 180-212 (86.9 - 102.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO this would be with damant

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2442012985
10 whole turns of Hearthflame being the GOAT.

[stone trellis]

Thanks for the info.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[stone trellis]

It seems like this team is great into those who run mythicals.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2442018492-rs1crdigoici3eoc2g9x32lv7f3xp1qpw

[jade dust]

@solid frigate new MoC

Lygus with 11 million HP

[waxen dock]

wha is this game?

[jade dust]

Honkai Star Rail

[solid frigate]

Aven shield broke against Lygus i need Castorice to deal with him

That means i have to play perfectly in Gepard side for Therta

i need a different approach

[jade dust]

I will say this is the hardest 0 cycle I have done

[solid frigate]

i'm literally struggling

[jade dust]

You can’t really do sustainless

The enemies do way too much damage

And aoe damage

Your frail dps aren’t safe

[solid frigate]

i mean it broke Aven's shield multiple times

[jade dust]

Yee same for me

But I used him on Gerpard

[solid frigate]

tbh i have like 41 days to clear it and next moc is not gonna be this bad

[jade dust]

I literally have no shield on Archer

Sparkle took damage too

[solid frigate]

the herta can clear lygus but she is too frail

[jade dust]

The worst is still 3.1 with Flame Reaver

[solid frigate]

tbh we are fine against reaver cuz Therta

[jade dust]

I suggest you use Hyacine with her of you have her

[solid frigate]

i'm throwing cassie into lygus part with hya

[jade dust]

I initially did this

2 cycles with Herta

[solid frigate]

i can technically beat gepard with Herta

even tho ice res is a thing

[jade dust]

I didn’t try cuz the 40% ice res lol

Acheron can do ok too

Tho mine is e2

I did 3 cycles

[solid frigate]

E2 Therta can beat 40% Ice Res

E1 not sure

i might be ballsy enough to run Cerydra just for the double skill-

[jade dust]

Lol honestly Cerydra isn’t worth for Herta

[stone trellis]

Why do you two talk about HSR in here of all channels?

[jade dust]

Do you have e2 Herta?

[solid frigate]

no

[jade dust]

I wanted to get her e2 but don’t be happening

[solid frigate]

it works in pf and i say that cuz i have tested it before with E1 hherta

[woven pelican]

3 actually, i'm joining in

because I'm saving for hyacine

[solid frigate]

lol

[woven pelican]

idk when her rerun is, but if it's a long ways away then that means more time for me to save

[jade dust]

I’m saving for Evernight

[woven pelican]

if not, eh i've got like 130 pulls anyways

[jade dust]

150 pulls

[woven pelican]

[jade dust]

I want Cyrene too

[solid frigate]

i'm saving for Cyrene even tho i know i can get E2 Therta

[woven pelican]

cerydra's kinda useless for me because I don't have her BIS team

[solid frigate]

Phainon or Anaxa

[woven pelican]

I got neither

[solid frigate]

F

[woven pelican]

never bothered to pull for them

mainly because I didn't want them

[jade dust]

Ah so you have e1 Herta?

I also have e1s1

[solid frigate]

i'll probably get E2 Therta cuz i think i have enough for E2 Therta+E0S1 Cyrene

especially i am using Express pass

[jade dust]

Yeah you should be fine

I got 150 pulls this patch alone

F2P pulls btw

[solid frigate]

100 pulls rn

[jade dust]

Nice

[solid frigate]

I guess i can dump whatever i have remained in 3.5+3.6 and 3.7 first phase

[jade dust]

Didn’t need to whale too much last patch

Cuz e2 Sparkle in 40

[solid frigate]

i will swipe for Cyrene if its necessary

but like i refrain not to

[jade dust]

Lol

I mean if you haven’t whaled yet

Double top up

[solid frigate]

just express pass

[jade dust]

Then yeah at worst

$50

[solid frigate]

like no matter like i lost 50/50 or win 50/50 i still get Cyrene no problem

cuz like 3.6 is 119 pulls

[jade dust]

Yeah

If I lose Evernight 50/50 I’m waiting for Cyrene

I’ll pull Evernight on rerun then

Ideally I get both e0s1

Worst case scenario I only get Cyrene e0s1

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/PengyTwitch/status/1967445617812398402

Stefan Mott (@PengyTwitch)

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X · Sep 15, 2025, 4:29 AM

[boreal creek]

can someone tell me how an armarouge outsped my calyrex and fluttermane without choice scarf or trick room

[dense latch]

must have been weak armor

[boreal creek]

it got weak armor from its duo annihalape which also outsped me somehow

[dense latch]

that’s always scarfed

[boreal creek]

damn

[dense latch]

it’s a common bo1 cheese strat

[boreal creek]

yeah there was nothing i could do

[boreal creek]

what can i do against it next time i see it

do i just have to bring my own scarf pokemon

[dense latch]

redirection

dark types

[boreal creek]

why dark types and wdym by redirection

[stone trellis]

Follow Me and Rage Powder.

[dense latch]

dark types are immune to expanding force which is what armarouge likes to click once indeedee is out

[stone trellis]

Moves that force the opponent to target the user of the move.

Also, Wide Guard.

[boreal creek]

i see i see

yeah i should really build a lunala huh

why do people use just lunala and not fused lunala

[dense latch]

better ability snd better moveset

[boreal creek]

oh damn

[stone trellis]

Dawn Wings has a worse ability, worse stats, worse movepool...

77 Speed is fucking crippling, to be honest.

85 is acceptable.

60 is good.

But 77 is just so middling that it can do absolutely nothing well.

It's way too fast for Trick Room and way too slow for Tailwind.

[woven pelican]

<@&663761167176433665> here we go again

[boreal creek]

so i shouldnt click that image right

[cobalt tapir]

no

its been dealt with

[woven pelican]

[real prairie]

I think im on to something: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2442106437

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2442104167

[boreal creek]

indeedee is lowkey unfair

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Whatchu doin here

[cobalt tapir]

scammers

[woven pelican]

[bold geode]

Mah we're getting you
GIVE THIS GIRL A VGC TEAM

We're brainwashing Deme

[cobalt tapir]

[polar canyon]

I wanted go get more into comp again the past couple weeks but simply couldn't

Because silksong came out I can't just not play it

Got the true ending now I'm finally free again and can do other things and maybe play pokemon

[stone trellis]

Guys, I need a bit of help.

[polar canyon]

Yeah?

[stone trellis]

So I was trying to make a team with AV Ice Rider that isn't entirely open to Intimidate cycling.

I ended up with Kyogre, Icy (duh) and base Ogerpon.

Who do I add?

[polar canyon]

You mean you can't fit in intimidate or you can't deal with it?

[stone trellis]

I know I can't deal with it.

[polar canyon]

Ogerpon cornerstone could at least give it super effective damage against incin

Wellspring if you're fine with the type overlap since that benefits from the rain even more

[boreal creek]

i feel like it would be better to build ursaluna with spa/hp + assault vest no? why invest in speed?

how important is calm mind and moonlight really

[stone trellis]

Defiant discourages them from switching Incineroar in at all.

That and I have a way of outspeeding Annihilape turn 1 via Tera Grass since even max Speed Kyogre speed ties -1 Ape.

I don't know, man.

[dense latch]

that’s smogon aka singles sets

never use smogon for vgc

[boreal creek]

what should i use then

[dense latch]

av is great on ursa, you can do blood moon hyper voice earth power vacuum wave, then invest in hp, spatk and defenses

speed is worth investing if you’re running tailwind

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mind's Eye
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 132 HP / 12 Def / 116 SpA / 180 SpD / 68 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Vacuum Wave

this is a set from shohei kimura’s team

[stone trellis]

Ursaluna needs 244 HP / 52 Def to live max Attack Sneasler CC.

Which basically means you can live most other physical attacks too.

But you'll have to go really slow.

[boreal creek]

i need to build pecharunt one of these days just for the troll

[boreal creek]

i run indeedee so do you think swapping vacuum wave for snarl is a good idea

[boreal creek]

so then 250 hp / 52 def (or 60?) / remainder in spa

[dense latch]

what’s the full team

[bold geode]

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X · Sep 15, 2025, 3:43 PM

[foggy lodge]

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 148 HP / 12 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

I think this is the best defensive spread for Ursa

Its a 50/50 for surviving adamant CC and you always live jolly

[boreal creek]

Landorous and flutter mane are kinda just there rn im open to suggestions

[foggy lodge]

What format are you playing

[boreal creek]

currently just casuals im considering ranked once i understand the game better

[stone trellis]

Right.

[dense latch]

probably best to adjust the team to fit the ranked format so you can jump straight into it once you feel ready

you’re missing a restricted, so your box art legendaries + calyrex terapagos

[stone trellis]

Oh, and I'm 90% sure that Tera Grass Ivy Cudgel kills Tera Water Magearna.

[boreal creek]

idk what you just said

[stone trellis]

Some good partners for Calyrex include Terapagos, Koraidon and Zamazenta.

[stone trellis]

A restricted legendary is any of the following Pokemon: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Calyrex, Koraidon, Miraidon and Terapagos.

Right now, you can use up to two of them.

[dense latch]

you get to use two per team, and mythicals count too

most mythicals are not worth it though

[boreal creek]

i was planning on swapping out landorous and flutter mane anyway so i should swap for one of these

or is it worth keeping them

[stone trellis]

You can keep Flutter Mane and replace Lando with Koraidon.

Koraidon and Flutter Mane have pretty good synergy with each other.

[dense latch]

there’s probably better options than bloodmoon ursaluna too, it’s not that great in the current ranked format

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

[boreal creek]

i was running iron hands instead for a while

but he kinda gets destroyed by intimidate cycling and im tired of it

[stone trellis]

Yeah, Iron Hands is best inside of Electric Terrain.

[boreal creek]

so what should i do? cause i want a tank

idk what good tanks are rn

[stone trellis]

You have:

• Ice Rider
• AV Rilla
• base Ursaluna
  And probably more.

I guess Hearthflame counts as a tank too, that thing has no right to take some of the attacks it takes.

[boreal creek]

i have seen quite a bit of rillaboom

the base stats dont look very impressive to me on paper

as far as tanking

[stone trellis]

The strongest neutral attack in the game is Draco Meteor/Electro Drift from Specs Modest Miraidon in Electric Terrain.

Assault Vest Rillaboom can straight-up live Draco even without Grassy Terrain depowering Miraidon.

[dense latch]

it can afford to run av since it has a lot of moves it wants to run aside from protect/status moves anyways

fake out and grassy glide are both amazing moves and it can help slow down miraidon aka arguably the strongest pokemon in the game

[stone trellis]

Add an "in" in front of "arguably".

It's won the most tournaments in S/V at 7 (including Worlds 2024) and up until Koraidon and Lunala's win at Worlds 2025, the only one even close was Ice Rider with 6.

[waxen dock]

if you want to play ranked just use rentals

[boreal creek]

thats no fun

[waxen dock]

what?

[boreal creek]

i wanna catch em myself

shiny hunt them, etc

[waxen dock]

you spend a lot of time just to then use a trash team

no point in doing it yourslef

[stone trellis]

Hey Xeno, do you have 50 Grass Tera Shards?

[waxen dock]

unless youre very sure about your team

[boreal creek]

doesnt everyone

[waxen dock]

i have like 1000 of those

[stone trellis]

I need 100 and I only have 40.

Can you please change my Volcarona's Tera Type to Grass?

[waxen dock]

i dont have online anymore

[boreal creek]

im not online rn

[stone trellis]

Fuck.

[waxen dock]

i will probably renew my suvscription tommorow

[stone trellis]

That's good.

[waxen dock]

use the dlc machine it gives a lot of teambuilding resources

it gives you nuugets and things like that and also ability patches

[boreal creek]

i used it so much i ran out of materials 😭

[waxen dock]

that you can sell fr a lot of money

[boreal creek]

i miss having infinite money and buying tms in swsh

[stone trellis]

I have no fucking materials.

[boreal creek]

i havent played sv enough to blow through the profit i made from the duping glitch but its getting there

[stone trellis]

I tried using it and I ran out incredibly quickly.

[waxen dock]

just use mass outbreaks

[boreal creek]

i guess shiny hunters that use mass outbreaks naturally have tons of materials

[stone trellis]

Why would I waste all that time on mass outbreaks if I can just trade the Volcarona to someone else and have it done in 3 minutes at most?

[boreal creek]

cause if everyone followed that logic then nobody would have materials 💀

[stone trellis]

I don't care about what everybody else would do.

[waxen dock]

its not only for the volc

[stone trellis]

I'm not going to force myself to spend any more time than I've already spent on the team.

Especially getting the Fresh Start Mochi, that shit was torture...

30 fucking attempts.

[stone trellis]

Maybe when I have more time to waste, but I don't right now.

[boreal creek]

whats that

resets evs?

[stone trellis]

An item which completely wipes a Pokemon's EVs, yes.

[boreal creek]

is it a rare drop from the dlc machine?

[stone trellis]

No.

You get it from either the Normal or Hard mode of Ogre Ousting.

It's not guaranteed, so you might go 7 attempts without getting a single one.

[feral fractal]

what REG is it rn?

[waxen dock]

h

[stone trellis]

J.

[stone trellis]

Tournaments or ladder?

[lost sun]

munchstats says more people use collision course over close combat is that cus ppl are lazy or think it's better or is it now better in regj

[stone trellis]

With 2 restricteds, Koraidon can more easily afford to run Clear Amulet and thus Collision Course as well.

REF, DO SOMETHING! HE'S USING A LEVEL 502 POKEMON!

[foggy lodge]

It has always been more popular

[lost sun]

even in reg g

[stone trellis]

Especially in Reg G.

[dense latch]

life orb is still the most used set from what i see, but collision course is slightly more used than close combat since people sometimes want to run something that isn’t lorb or clam

depends slightly on the glicko threshold too

[stone trellis]

Oh my God, I just realised I can use Smeargle to keep Ice Rider safe.

Fuckass dog, you save me once again.

[polar canyon]

It depends

Right now my favorite set to run on korai is clear amulet with a bit of extra bulk and on the slightly slower side

I'd suffer more from the downside of cc than if I was running something like life orb

And I personally have been in more situations where low kick was worse to have than situations where it was my best option

So collision course it is

[stone trellis]

Isn't it kind of crazy how all good Tailwind setters are either mixed or special attackers?

[polar canyon]

What's the good mixed one

[stone trellis]

Prime Talonflame.

Oh, and Dnite.

[polar canyon]

I wouldn't count dnite

[stone trellis]

Isn't it the king of Reg H?

And yes, it is mixed.

[polar canyon]

It has 100 spatk yes but realistically the only special move you're running is tera blast pre tera

[stone trellis]

Also, Tornadus.

[polar canyon]

Same deal

[stone trellis]

It did usually run Acrobatics back in the day.

[polar canyon]

Before bleakwind

[stone trellis]

The only good physical Tailwind setter I can think of is Roaring Moon.

[polar canyon]

If you're very very generous you could count volbeat

[stone trellis]

Unless Mega Rayquaza was also used for Tailwind back in 2016/2019.

Oh, would you look at that? Mixed too.

[polar canyon]

Volbeat?

[stone trellis]

People use Volbeat?

[polar canyon]

I mean people could use volbeat

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[polar canyon]

People used illumise and they're almost identical apart from phys/special being swapped

And only volbeat getting tail glow, the one that has physical attack

But you could make an argument for using volbeat over illumise because of a stronger stab u-turn

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 313: Volbeat

Type

Bug

Abilities

Illuminate, Swarm, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/73/75/47/85/85

Total

430

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

Oh, those stats are so fucking shit.

[polar canyon]

The only redeeming quality is prankster