competitive_discussion

[atomic mural]

at least you get free grippy socks

[shadow wind]

Man I hate fighting that team 😔

[short quiver]

no the orange is a line in the middle for the one in the trailer

[solid frigate]

at least that team in honest ape more than menace ape

wait does it hae bullet seed-

[shadow wind]

Icicle spear

[solid frigate]

oh yeah

still salvageable imo

[shadow wind]

It's more annoying that standard MausApe

[short quiver]

true

[shadow wind]

Veil makes it so annoying

And they're always tera fire

Rock slide does like 20% max

[short quiver]

break the veil

brick break, psychic fangs……

[shadow wind]

Twin nobody is running brick break

[short quiver]

psychic fangs isnt bad 😃

[shadow wind]

Yes it is

[tiny karma]

Move: Psychic Fangs

If this attack does not miss, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, and Aurora Veil end for the target's side of the field before damage is calculated.

Type

Psychic

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

Name one mon that runs it

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Learns Psychic Fangs

Results (109)

Ekans, Arbok, Growlithe, Growlithe-Hisui, Arcanine, Arcanine-Hisui, Aerodactyl, Aerodactyl-Mega, Mew, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Espeon, Girafarig, Gligar, Steelix, Steelix-Mega, Snubbull, Granbull, Houndour, Houndoom, Houndoom-Mega, Poochyena, Mightyena, Mawile, Mawile-Mega, Electrike, Manectric, Manectric-Mega, Carvanha, Sharpedo, Sharpedo-Mega, Seviper, Salamence, Salamence-Mega, Metagross, Metagross-Mega, Shinx, Luxio, Luxray, Gliscor, Lillipup, Herdier, Stoutland, Swoobat, Basculin, Basculin-Blue-Striped, Basculin-White-Striped, Litleo, Pyroar, Tyrunt, Tyrantrum, Yungoos, Gumshoos, Rockruff, Rockruff-Dusk, Lycanroc, Lycanroc-Midnight, Lycanroc-Dusk, Silvally, Silvally-Bug, Silvally-Dark, Silvally-Dragon, Silvally-Electric, Silvally-Fairy, Silvally-Fighting, Silvally-Fire, Silvally-Flying, Silvally-Ghost, Silvally-Grass, Silvally-Ground, Silvally-Ice, Silvally-Poison, Silvally-Psychic, Silvally-Rock, Silvally-Steel, Silvally-Water, Bruxish, Solgaleo, Necrozma, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

+that is meta cuz i do not accept Metagross as an answer

[shadow wind]

Metagross 😔

[short quiver]

basculin learns it

BOOM

WHITE STRIPE BTW WHICH MEANS BASCULEGION HAS IT

[solid frigate]

the only good user is basculegion and its still not good over flip turn-

[short quiver]

arcanine also learns it

salamence learns it

[shadow wind]

Twin ain't no one using those guys like that

[short quiver]

sharpedo 😃

[solid frigate]

espeed wisp blitz protect Arc
Espeed Blitz rock slide wild charge(For water types) Harc
Dragon dance Dclaw wingbeat,protect mence

[short quiver]

Gliscor

[shadow wind]

When was the last time you saw a Gliscor

[solid frigate]

eq sd wingbeat protect

[short quiver]

2019 when USUM died out

[short quiver]

i did name meta pokemon that can learn it. thats all you told me
to do

also barraskewda learns psychic fangs as well

[solid frigate]

they don't even use it lmao

[solid frigate]

over close combat? (Yes it learns Close combat)

[short quiver]

you didnt say they had to use it you said they had to be meta mons that can learn it 😁

and one more meta mon that learns it

farigiraf

[short quiver]

why does a fish learn close combat. Palafin i understand. but BARRASKEWDA?

[dense latch]

non stab psychic coverage is kinda meh

[zealous sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[short quiver]

psychic fang utility is good though

especially with aurora veil running around

[solid frigate]

+Barraskewda just run CC for funni

[short quiver]

and the best part is they wont expect you to have said move cuz no one uses it 😁 am i right or am i right

[dense latch]

not worth the moveslot tho

[solid frigate]

also Regular Arc and Salamence aren't even meta and Harc is like

Why don't you use incin anyway

[short quiver]

cuz incin is cringe

[dense latch]

harc has a decent niche imo

[zealous sigil]

guys

[solid frigate]

YOU PLAY RAIN

INCIN SHOULD BE THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES

[short quiver]

hisuian arc still learns psychic fangs

[zealous sigil]

ive been trying to do a rampardos trick room team or a cetitan tr team

[short quiver]

i love rain. specifically i love Archaludon

[zealous sigil]

any tips?

[solid frigate]

not really meta

[solid frigate]

wait

Rampardos in TR?

[zealous sigil]

yes

[short quiver]

its still an option to consider as an intimidate support

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 409: Rampardos

Type

Rock

Abilities

Mold Breaker, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/165/60/65/50/58

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

there’s just way stronger options

[zealous sigil]

SHEER FORCE

[solid frigate]

WHY DOES RANDBATS RUN IT WITH SCARF

[short quiver]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ATTACK STAT

[dense latch]

rampardos is somehow slow and frail

[zealous sigil]

SHEER FORCE 165 ATK GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(in tr ofc)

[pallid hare]

the only good thing about rampardos

[dense latch]

things like ursa hit harder and are way bulkier

[short quiver]

with 165 attack with sheer force they had to nerf it somehow

[solid frigate]

funny thing is that bro is using scarf in randbats singles and doubles

[zealous sigil]

hits harder, ur joking right?

[dense latch]

guts + facade

[solid frigate]

Facade+Guts Flame Orb

[zealous sigil]

I KNOW

[short quiver]

was this to me or the rampardos guy

[zealous sigil]

I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND CHOICE BAND+TERA ROCK+THAT HIGH ATK STAT+ROCK SLIDE+SHEER FORCE

[dense latch]

140 bp facade vs rock slide

[zealous sigil]

rock slide every day

what abt cetitan?

i gtg, so dm me abt cetitan

[dense latch]

not much to say about it

[short quiver]

havent heard that name in a while

[zealous sigil]

if it works or not. (also in tr) belly drum sitrus berry

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 284-336 (144.1 - 170.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Rampardos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 174-205 (88.3 - 104%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Rampardos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 234-276 (118.7 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[zealous sigil]

i love niche pkmn

[solid frigate]

not even fucking close

[zealous sigil]

womp womp

[dense latch]

you can use niche pokemon but neither ramp or cetitan have a niche

they’re just outclassed

[short quiver]

can i just say damn nintendo for giving flareon guts

[solid frigate]

outclass doesn't correlate with Niche Adding to thhe point

[short quiver]

the only status we’d WANT to give it is burn, which its immune to being a fire type

[solid frigate]

run toxic orb

[short quiver]

doesnt poison hurt a lot more than burn

[solid frigate]

toxic is slowly build up

[short quiver]

is toxic orb flareon a thing? 😭

id be so down to use it if it is

[solid frigate]

yeah actually in randbats

But its just not worth it as a fire type slot

[short quiver]

i could tera normal and use guts Last Resort

or Facade it will end up the same thing after all the multipliers

[solid frigate]

do you even know wha last resort does.

[short quiver]

yes

after the other 3 moves have been clicked you can use last resort

140 bp normal move

[dense latch]

yea facade is exactly the same bp as last resort under a status condition

[solid frigate]

it has facade iirc

[foggy lodge]

We are assuming Flareon will live 4 turns to even click last resort

[tiny karma]

Flareon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Endeavor, Facade, Fire Fang, Flail, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Quick Attack, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Temper Flare, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Burning Jealousy, Echoed Voice, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Smog, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Synchronoise, Tera Blast, Trump Card, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Copycat, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Focus Energy, Growl, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leer, Mimic, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Scary Face, Sing, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tail Whip, Tickle, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Wish, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Flareon.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

3 cuz one slot will be protect

[solid frigate]

also btw it learns facade anyways

[short quiver]

i said that

[short quiver]

^^^

[foggy lodge]

Flareon is terrible in every single way

Game freak just didn't have any competitive thought behind everything that revolves it

[solid frigate]

like the worst eeveelution in VGC

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 136: Flareon

Type

Fire

Abilities

Flash Fire, Guts (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/130/60/95/110/65

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

the only issue i see is 60 base defense

[foggy lodge]

And 60 HP and 65 speed

[short quiver]

65 base speed is semi trick room

[dense latch]

kinda awkward

[foggy lodge]

So temu Ursaluna

[short quiver]

thats why i said semi tr

[solid frigate]

if its like gen 7 then ok sure

But like we reach to the point where TR speeds are 20-40

[short quiver]

basically 😭

[foggy lodge]

btw there was a Malamar on stream today technically

Malamar went 3-3🔥

[short quiver]

speaking of Temu mons is there any reason to ever run politoed over pelipper

[foggy lodge]

Perish song

So basically being Wolfey

[dense latch]

yea i guess but i feel like to have a decent enough niche the mon can’t just be a worse version of another mon

there’s no thing it does that others can’t which i like to define having a niche as

[short quiver]

and thats it?

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[short quiver]

im not good enough for perish trap yet. maybe another time. as Paimon would say “How about we explore the area ahead of us later?”

[solid frigate]

one thing is that you have to know how to play that mon and good at that niche to actually play it

Our subject rn in this discussion does neither

[dense latch]

exactly

[short quiver]

i am not good at trick room i have no reason to deny that

[dense latch]

also does anyone remember when eu regional teams drop usually

[foggy lodge]

Seeing Jakob get fissures 4 times is so rough man

Fuck fissure I hate that move

[solid frigate]

i stand by the fact i would stuck in meta hell after i actually know how to play the game before doing the niche stuff (Greninja in Reg G and Early Reg G Crown)

[foggy lodge]

I prefer losing to a crit or random secondary effect than losing to a fissure

[solid frigate]

stream luck ig /j

[short quiver]

iron crown was good in its time though

[foggy lodge]

Koraidon Iron Crown❤️

[dense latch]

hitting solo dozo fissure vs dozogiri must feel nice tho

[foggy lodge]

Solo dozo being a check to dozogiri is so funny

[solid frigate]

pfft

[short quiver]

in my rain team is there any reason id use palafin anymore or do i just use a feesh like barraskewda or basculegion or (i know its not a feesh) kingdra?

i imagine floatzel is now just temu barraskewda/basculegion

[dense latch]

basc is the best out of those options

maybe consider kingdra if you want a special attacker

[short quiver]

my special attackers are arch and pelipper 🫠

idk do i even need a third at that point

[foggy lodge]

Palafin is good on more balance comps

I remember a cool team with like incin amoonguss gholdengo and it just had a pelipper palafin mode

[short quiver]

im dismantling my rain team and restarting. my core will ALWAYS be peilipper arch. id use politoed….. but im not ready for perish trap

so for swift swim dps mon basculegion or kingdra depending if i want physical or special

what other non-incin fire type could i even use for my FWG. more specifically what fire type can i run without a fire move besides incinicringe

[solid frigate]

i cooked poli Archa without perish for my friend

[short quiver]

😃

im listening

i like politoed

[solid frigate]

not gonna share tho

[short quiver]

chat can i use meinshao in the big 2025 🙂

[foggy lodge]

On P2 Ursa

Well its okay by itself it has fake out inner focus wide guard and fighting coverage

[short quiver]

i could add a tr mode to peli arch maybe

[short quiver]

i want it with peli arch for fake out wide guard feint insert fighting move here

if i mash those two cores together P2 Ursa (probably physical ursa) meinshao peli arch i assume my last slot would be farig indeedee or semi troll in tsareena

[foggy lodge]

CC always

It still always goes sash anyways

[foggy lodge]

Incin or guss as the last slot

[short quiver]

incin is immediate no

so amoongus ig

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I think guss is better if you want to use Mienshao

[short quiver]

p2 hisuian ursa meinshao peli arch amogsus

is bloodmoon ursa still a tr mon

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Mind's Eye

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

113/70/120/135/65/52

Total

555

Base Species

Ursaluna

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

definitely

okay

[foggy lodge]

Ursa is definetly better tho

Regular Ursa

[short quiver]

why do i always seem to have an uneven physical/special split in my teams

[foggy lodge]

wdym

you have pelipper archaludon p2

[short quiver]

i have 4 special attackers and 2 physical attackers

[short quiver]

and the mushroom

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss is Amoonguss its almost not attacking

[short quiver]

does it learn acid spray

[foggy lodge]

why would you use that

[solid frigate]

just run sludge bomb-

[short quiver]

cuz more than half my team is special

[solid frigate]

but even then sludge bomb's demand is low cuz there is more steel types now

[foggy lodge]

Acid spray gimmick only works on a fast mon

[solid frigate]

or middling mons with pranksters

[short quiver]

in tr amogsus is fast 😃

[foggy lodge]

Ig for P2 is alright

[short quiver]

what acid spray amogsus?

[foggy lodge]

But still what do you even drop

Spore and rage powder are a must

[short quiver]

i dont even know what the mushroom even runs ive never used amoongus

only spore mon ive ever used is breloom

and it wasnt in vgc i swear

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-kamen-rider-w-heat-metal-phillip-raito-gif-15096834824584434277

[short quiver]

i also wanna make another team completely separate from this team using ribombee

[short quiver]

the mushroom doesnt even learn acid spray. sludge bomb it is

i have 2 mons that learn wide guard

hm

[dense latch]

you don’t need wide guard on peli

[short quiver]

so keep it on mien and find something else for peli?

[dense latch]

hurricane protect weather ball tailwind on peli

also if you’re fine with losing that extra damage pollen puff would be nice on amoong to keep ursa and arch healthy

[short quiver]

id originally wanted acid spray but it doesnt even learn it

so pollen puff is geeat

i gotta find moves for p2 a 4th move for mushroom and evs for everyone but meinshao

[dense latch]

ice beam tera blast recover trick room on p2

check munchstats for some basic spreads and movesets

[short quiver]

already looking

[zealous sigil]

CETITAN TRICK ROOM

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/1b38f0a6747da4af
how did i do 😃

[dense latch]

most of these are fine but that arch set isn’t great

[foggy lodge]

248 is not a value for evs

[dense latch]

timid tera electric is used for power herb arch

[foggy lodge]

You are wasting 4 points

[short quiver]

tell munchstats that 😭

[dense latch]

you want body press on stamina arch and have it be bulkier

[short quiver]

i couldnt find a bulky set 🫠

i wanted body press

[foggy lodge]

In which way are you even using it

Are you checking singles spreads

[short quiver]

no

unless vgc is singles and i was unaware

[dense latch]

none of the reg h spreads for peli im seeing have 248 hp

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 36 SpA / 196 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature

• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon
• Body Press
• Draco Meteor

there’s probably more optimized ev spreads out there but this is a good start

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/aaf8929176fb1ca4

how about this

[dense latch]

i think tera ghost ursa is stronger than normal

you prevent getting slowed down in tr with fake out and wall sneasler

[short quiver]

fixed

how badly am i boutta screw up with this tr team 🫠

[foggy lodge]

Tera electric is terrible for AV archa imo

It only really works for power herb cuz it can run sturdy

[short quiver]

im just followimg munchsstats man TT

[foggy lodge]

You don't want to mantain the ground weakness for this set

[foggy lodge]

You also have to learn to use statistics tbh

[dense latch]

go grass or bug to start off

the set i sent had tera grass

[foggy lodge]

Because its not like its just a bunch of teras that work for every single archa and a bunch of items that work for every single team

The combinations are more specific

[short quiver]

did showdown just crash

[real prairie]

252HP 92DEF guarantees you live a 252+ Sneasler Close Combat

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/panic-gif-18851113

[strange fjord]

now how am i supposed to practice reg h?

[short quiver]

do i take some from special defense?

[short quiver]

pokemon showdown

[real prairie]

ive gone full bulk no speed, but then i set my own Stamina boosts with bullet seed or beat up

[short quiver]

oh

i dont have that option... soooooo

[real prairie]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Body Press
• Dragon Pulse
• Flash Cannon

[real prairie]

wait, i dont think thats right, give me a second

[short quiver]

wait for it to come back online then. its not that hard gang

[short quiver]

@dense latch is there somewhere i can take points from with this calc in mind>

[zealous sigil]

this happened to me too@!

guys i have an idea

rampardos tr

[real prairie]

252hp 4def will survive a 252+ sneasler close combat if you run bold

[zealous sigil]

jkjk

[real prairie]

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Archaludon: 164-194 (83.2 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[zealous sigil]

why are there no hp natures? i've always thought that was weird

[short quiver]

cool

[real prairie]

means you can whack the rest into SpDef and speed

what hits harder than sneasler, Ursaluna? you should be able to outspeed that with a partner

[zealous sigil]

what abt reg j

[real prairie]

what about it?

[zealous sigil]

im trying to think of some unique teams for it to counter the meta, and they never work

[short quiver]

i got peli for tailwind and i also have my own ursa

[short quiver]

thats the problem with meta my friend

[zealous sigil]

lol

[short quiver]

i would know i do unconventional shit all the time

[real prairie]

Im trying to work out what the Max Def needs to be on Arch

[zealous sigil]

LMAO

[real prairie]

the hardest hit is probably a headlong rush ursaluna no?

[short quiver]

probably

[zealous sigil]

on arch, yes. on other pokemon obv facade

[short quiver]

which can be solved simply by tera bug i believe

[dense latch]

some spdef is prob fine

[short quiver]

196, 188, 180, 172, 164, 156, 148, 140, 132

[real prairie]

yeah outside of Tera, don't think you can do anything to survive a headlong rush

[zealous sigil]

speaking of tera, tera flying is really good for archaludon, since you're immune to ground and resist fightig

[strange fjord]

unless you sturdy or proc stamina a billion times

[zealous sigil]

fighting**

[short quiver]

bug resists both those types

[real prairie]

til you get shot in the face by other Archaludon

[zealous sigil]

yeah true lmao, but here its immune

[short quiver]

it has to go all the way down to 108

[zealous sigil]

(no comment)

[short quiver]

and weak to anything electric or ice

[zealous sigil]

💀 i get it

[real prairie]

204 SpDef to survive a earth power from life orb BMU

[short quiver]

archaludon and p2 exist

[real prairie]

252+ SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 204 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 164-195 (83.2 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[zealous sigil]

can i still do unconventional shi if i have some meta pokemon on my team

[idle reef]

Yo any one Wana join my unoin circle

[short quiver]

if im 108 SpD can i do a +SpD nature to survive this hit

[prime wagon]

its so annoying bro

[zealous sigil]

unconventional shi is super fun

[prime wagon]

hate it when it happens its like the second time this week

[short quiver]

i mean yeah i do it all the time

[dense latch]

but then you're kinda compromising your damage output

[real prairie]

88% of the time, yes

[dense latch]

you kinda have to sacrifice one area

[real prairie]

252+ SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 108+ SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 172-203 (87.3 - 103%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[real prairie]

thats what body press is for lol

[short quiver]

both ursalunas are a threat i need something to do with it

[idle reef]

Qyo any one want any of my froakies

[short quiver]

#trading_sv

[real prairie]

I was consider tera rock Arch in a sandstorm team for a little while with AV max Def

[zealous sigil]

but like usually unconventional shit is bad, and i suck at the game so i cant make it good

[strange fjord]

but rock is uhhh...

[pulsar cloak]

220 HP/228 SpDef is able to tank

[real prairie]

yeah its why i didnt lol

[pulsar cloak]

Or 252 HP/196 SpDef if you don't mind one damage roll of EP killing arch

[short quiver]

which does nothing for physical ursaluna did you even read my question TT

[real prairie]

run intimidate + proc stamina first

and have a defensive tera

[pulsar cloak]

^

[short quiver]

i dont have intimidate and im not using fucking inciniroar

[dense latch]

fair enough lol

[short quiver]

and i do have a defensive tera

[pulsar cloak]

Ursa needs a turn to set up so you take advantage of that

[zealous sigil]

guys how do i counter psychic terrain tr???

[real prairie]

plenty of other intimidate users

[short quiver]

you dont. its calls psyspam for a reason

[dense latch]

i did say kinda tbf ik it doesn't completely compromise your damage

[real prairie]

I blow them up with double surf before they get TR up

[strange fjord]

change the terrain. use a dark type

[real prairie]

but most people run their own terrain

[short quiver]

that work in rain teams

besides gyara

[pulsar cloak]

Tauros

[dense latch]

in most cases it's gonna be tricky to prevent tr from going up
incin is a great tool since it resists torkoal and is immune to expanding force, terrain control + fake out helps waste tr turns to stall it out

[pulsar cloak]

But incin can defo work on rain teams

[dense latch]

then just make sure you're positioned well enough when tr goes down to prevent a second tr

[short quiver]

i literally just said im not using incin

[next stump]

rillaboom/ice spinner

[short quiver]

i forgot water tauros exists

[real prairie]

Salamence, Overqwil, Tauros, scrafty and Ofc, Incin

[short quiver]

OVERQWIL MENTIONED

[real prairie]

not much ice spinner in reg H, i tried

miss the long cat

[pulsar cloak]

I'm just saying that it can work despite looking anti-synergistic on the surface

[short quiver]

i could use scrafty

[real prairie]

although i am tempted to drop Encore for Ice Spinner on Ludicolo

[short quiver]

i know incin works in rain teams. my issue isnt that he works. im not using him. i absolutely refuse

[pulsar cloak]

You can also run other forms of damage mitigation besides from intim

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonite-pokemon-gif-18130239

[pulsar cloak]

99% of gamblers lose before they make it big

[real prairie]

it wants to run too many moves

[short quiver]

im not using that cringe ass cat you cant make me

[pulsar cloak]

Ok

[real prairie]

Haze, Tailwind, Protect. Ice Spinner, Extreme Speed, Scale Shot, Hurricane

[pulsar cloak]

Said cringe ass cat is a good ass mon though

[short quiver]

wow its almost like its in every fucking team in existence

[real prairie]

do what wolfe does, use the cat with a reluctance and hatred.

[short quiver]

id use torrocat if i didnt already have the eviolite in use

id use torrocat out of spite to incin

[real prairie]

cute lol

whos running your eviolite?

[short quiver]

P2

[real prairie]

is eviolite Torrocat even bulkier?

with its lower HP id asssume no?

[tiny karma]

Ability: Torrent

When this Pokemon has 1/3 or less of its maximum HP, rounded down, its offensive stat is multiplied by 1.5 while using a Water-type attack.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

NOT WHAT I TYPED WTF

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

🤣

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 726: Torracat

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/85/50/80/50/90

Total

420

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 726: Torracat

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/85/50/80/50/90

Total

420

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

not as bulky for sure but at least it's faster

[short quiver]

what item would i give it 🫠

[short quiver]

i hate incin so much im throwing its little brother at it 👍

[real prairie]

with those stats, genuinely probably focus sash if it doesn't have eviolite lol

[short quiver]

i have sash on mienshao

[dense latch]

you'd probably drop mienshao if you were to include it

[real prairie]

run Hitmontop over Mienshao solves both your problems

intimidate

[short quiver]

so peli would end up with wide guard afterall?

[dense latch]

not really

it's not as high value in reg h

[real prairie]

Hitmontop wide guard, protect, fake out, close combat w/ Intimidate

but yeah, wide guard is meh

[short quiver]

mienshao does almost the exact same thing TT

[real prairie]

but without intimidate

[short quiver]

except i have feint instead of protect, being immune to fake out already

[dense latch]

ik you wanted to use mienshao but if you're considering dropping a mon i'd go for it to free up sash on peli

[short quiver]

i like mienshao its such a cool design

and i dont get to use it much unfortunately

[real prairie]

allow me to demonstrate the power of intimidate:

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Archaludon: 270-318 (137 - 161.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Archaludon: 180-212 (91.3 - 107.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

[short quiver]

thats still a coinflip

[real prairie]

a coinflip frrom no chance at all

[proud gulch]

how can I improve this team?

[tiny karma]

Filters

• Has the ability Intimidate

Results (46)

Ekans, Arbok, Growlithe, Growlithe-Hisui, Arcanine, Arcanine-Hisui, Tauros, Tauros-Paldea-Combat, Tauros-Paldea-Blaze, Tauros-Paldea-Aqua, Gyarados, Snubbull, Granbull, Qwilfish, Qwilfish-Hisui, Stantler, Hitmontop, Mightyena, Masquerain, Mawile, Manectric-Mega, Salamence, Staravia, Staraptor, Shinx, Luxio, Luxray, Herdier, Stoutland, Sandile, Krokorok, Krookodile, Scraggy, Scrafty, Landorus-Therian, Litten, Torracat, Incineroar, Wyrdeer, Overqwil, Squawkabilly, Squawkabilly-Blue, Squawkabilly-Yellow, Squawkabilly-White, Maschiff, Mabosstiff

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

If you are running Bold:

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 76+ Def Archaludon: 242-288 (122.8 - 146.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 76+ Def Archaludon: 164-194 (83.2 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

not using shaymin

[short quiver]

im calm

[proud gulch]

but it’s shaymin

[real prairie]

If you are insisting on 252atk on Maus, run technician. Why is the cat so fast? Life Orb Koraidon, Lose the bird

[proud gulch]

what should I replace the bird with?

[real prairie]

put protect on Flutter too, you want it to be able to proect its sash

[real prairie]

you need something else that can operate in TR

[foggy lodge]

Moonblast> dazzling gleam

[real prairie]

and you need to lose that speed invetment in the cat

[foggy lodge]

Dazzling is significantly weaker than moonblast

[real prairie]

this too

[proud gulch]

uh huh..

what would be a good example?

i’m not the best at team building as u can see

[foggy lodge]

Make Incin min speed

[proud gulch]

alright

[next stump]

still no teams for frankfurt????

[real prairie]

Raging bolt, gets proto proc in sun, good against rain teams, and can run in TR comfortably

[proud gulch]

sounds good

[real prairie]

seemingly not, need to see if i retained my title lol

[pulsar cloak]

What I'm saying

[proud gulch]

the bird is the only replacement needed?

the rest of them are fine right?

[next stump]

my goat

[real prairie]

im still not certain of what Maus is doing there, but the rest are okay

[proud gulch]

i like when it opens its mouth

[real prairie]

well aside from Shaymin, but I run ludicolo so i can't really tell you not to use your faves lol

[real prairie]

Fine when you say it, but when i say that to my life i get a slap

[solid frigate]

lmfao

[proud gulch]

damn ludicolo is crazy 😭

[real prairie]

just didn't show up? lol

[next stump]

No hahaha he was there, my goat stuck it out

[proud gulch]

is he even in SV?

[solid frigate]

kinda suprised that Ludi>Gren in terms of hype in VGC lmao

[real prairie]

haha probably only because its previously won shit

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441127015
made a few mistakes but it worked out

[real prairie]

if you wanna EQ spam, why not tera flying P2?

great counter for Sneasler too

[strange fjord]

i think t 8 you can tera blast on grimm to KO and single target facade into opposing ursa

does more damage and ally p2 doesnt get hurt

[short quiver]

i didnt plan to eq spam i just wanted both grimm and frosmoth dead

[real prairie]

tera flying gives you the option to EQ spam though

worth considering, its popular

[short quiver]

can i say for the record indeedee is fucking irritating

[real prairie]

tremendously so, especially Psychic seed max Def indeedee

[strange fjord]

last turn of the match was a but risky considering farigiraf already showed dazzling which can hit p2 for super after tera and ice beam does enough to KO so you didnt need to tera. plus some farigiraf run safety goggles so rage powder was a bit risky but i understand why you did it

[short quiver]

try expanding force indeedee with psyseed sneasler

[real prairie]

that one doesn't bother me as much, squishy bitch boy mon

[short quiver]

SQUISHY? THE FUCK YOU MEAN SQUISHY?

MY WHOLE TEAM GOT WIPED

[real prairie]

it goes down easy

the bulk on Female indeedee is jarring

[real prairie]

thus, dark types

[short quiver]

why did this guy ff the instant i got TR up

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441131163

[strange fjord]

because youre in low ladder matches

[short quiver]

ill take a turn 1 win but aight

[strange fjord]

and they quit easy

[short quiver]

they had UBM they had the perfect TR mon

[next stump]

maybe dinner is ready

[real prairie]

most low ladder cant think past their turn 1 stategy

[strange fjord]

bm is faster than your TR pokemon

so still at a disadvantage

[real prairie]

side note, when should i expect to hear back about the helper application you think?

[strange fjord]

plus it could be speed invested bm

since they have tailwind

[next stump]

honestly I'm not sure, I think relatively soon

[strange fjord]

or didnt bring it

[foggy lodge]

Tera fighting tera blast was unnecesary in the endgame

[next stump]

if you haven't heard back in a week or two let me know and I'll ask

[real prairie]

sound, cheers.

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[foggy lodge]

You already saw how much damage ice beam did and it would already pick up the ko

[strange fjord]

thats what i said!

[short quiver]

i think you replied to the wrong one

[foggy lodge]

oops I didn't read anything after seeing the game lol

[short quiver]

yeah but i didnt need it for anything else either

[strange fjord]

unnecessarily risky

[foggy lodge]

You opened yourself to get KOd by the dazzling

If dazzling crits or kos for any reason you lose

[short quiver]

why would they dazzling into P2 amoongus

[foggy lodge]

You never know

Again it was just an unnecesary risk

[short quiver]

i do not like this team this is super uncomfortable

[real prairie]

there wont be a physical mon that hits harder than Ursaluna right? i can't think of any

ooo maybe sharpness sacred sword Gallade

[strange fjord]

Annihilape with rage fist

[real prairie]

meant specifically for Archaludon, I resist the rage fists

and can almost always outspeed to get the self proc'd stamina boost up before it can hit me

[cyan smelt]

Tera stellar close combat sneasler

[short quiver]

yep i dont like this team

[real prairie]

if it burns its tera to OHKO my Archaludon ill accept it lol

as 252hp 252def only has a % chance of surviving that

252+ Atk Tera Stellar Sneasler Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Archaludon: 180-216 (91.3 - 109.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

and im not putting that much bulk into Def

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441136751

see i like it out of the trick room

but inside tr its so clunky 😭

its like that pair of jeans that you dont like wearing but your mom says they look good on you and has you wear them anyways no matter how uncomfortable they are

[dense latch]

best of luck with the application, here's hoping they get back to you :)

[dense latch]

it's probably a matter of just learning your lines a bit better

like i don't see what mienshao arch does as a lead tbh

[foggy lodge]

clicking tera steel and not even going for the redirection in front of the fighting type

[short quiver]

i did that for a reason

[foggy lodge]

lmfao

[dense latch]

i feel like in low ladder some players just play solitaire

[foggy lodge]

they don't see the board state

[dense latch]

ignoring whatever the opponent's doing or has on the field just trying to get their strat to work

[short quiver]

my reasoning was my opponent wouldnt know my plan either. the goal the whole time was to switch in Peli

[foggy lodge]

they just see their own buttons and how to pull their own gimmick

[short quiver]

i had so many questions TT

also i had another question why the hell did ttar have ice fang 😭

and why was he boutta click that into my arch

i didnt even USE arch it was simply for fear factor 😭

[real prairie]

@proud gulch https://youtu.be/YNkdwA-L9rM?si=T_46GuZNQ9_hb0vS

[dense latch]

damn still no frankfurt teams

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441146210

again, no trick room

idk why bax icicle crashed my porygon porygon wasnt the threat

[next stump]

I wanna see if anyone is rocking the same team as me

[proud gulch]

oh thanks

[gentle crag]

vl0strai has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[plush lark]

https://pokepast.es/b6b78a727c42b884

first team i made after simply watching a wolfe video on the new meta and screwing around

[short quiver]

SCARF KYOGRE?

[dense latch]

it's not that crazy of an option

[proud gulch]

he’s him

[short quiver]

i mean i see it with scarf water spout

but once you lose health you’re cooked

[dense latch]

urshifu is miles better than palafin i'd just go with that instead

high horsepower tends to be the stronger option for calyrex ice as a coverage move since it hits what ice can't

[plush lark]

yes but palafin is cool

and yeah, but i have lando\

i could switch it though, he def gives me more options

palafin for urshifu i mean

[dense latch]

it's still good to have, you tend to see both of those together and cir still has high horsepower

[dense latch]

yea palafin is a cool mon but it's just outclassed in higher power level formats

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 964: Palafin-Hero

Type

Water

Abilities

Zero to Hero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/160/97/106/87/100

Total

650

Base Species

Palafin

Sableye version 4.28.4

[plush lark]

faster than shifu

stronger too

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

the drawbacks doesn't seem that horrible at first but you lose a lot of momentum switching your pokemon out, gives the opponent the chance to double into your other mon or threaten whatever switches in

which is especially dangerous with things like miraidon, cir and csr around

[plush lark]

true

what tera type for shifu?

[dense latch]

urshifu also has one of if not the best ability in the game

[dense latch]

water or stellar

[plush lark]

whats another good t type for caly? don't love t water on this team

[cyan smelt]

Fire to avoid burn

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441153088-17o6ro2wkgfacspxncs52gom1rc4yaipw

theyre methods were beyond my understanding

they set up trick room

and then wasted every single turn of theyre own trick room

[real prairie]

most agro person ive ever met lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2441156659-mdrgaktqxgirgv2pt9dw1jo7ffd95otpw

[proud gulch]

would ho-oh still hold up nowadays?

i just got a shiny of it and kinda wanna use it

[chrome knot]

interesting name

personally i think lesbians are very cool

[next stump]

it's definitely usable, just not the strongest

[proud gulch]

[next stump]

it's got a good magearna matchup in reg J

[chrome knot]

?

[proud gulch]

i was thinking this team but it doesn’t seem like the best

[dense latch]

"just build a normal team" said the water pledge smeargle player

oh wow it gets way way worse

[chrome knot]

report person lol

[short quiver]

can i see the next game

[real prairie]

yep

[real prairie]

i lost the next game, they were just as abusive, then got banned in game 3 before it started so i got the win lol

[short quiver]

i wanna see them get beat by the team that apparently sucks 😆

[short quiver]

💀

[real prairie]

Decent start to BO3

[foggy lodge]

Its always these people that can't win a 1000 elo match even if their lifes depended on it lmfao

[dense latch]

i'll never understand harrassment in a showdown game

[real prairie]

Me neither

[dense latch]

like it's is not that serious how sad can shit be 😭

[real prairie]

Just distracted me from the yt video I was watching tbh

[foggy lodge]

I also don't get why sd has a chat on ladder tbh

[bold geode]

I agree

[foggy lodge]

For things like room tours its fine

Ladder shouldn't have a chat knowing how people can get

[real prairie]

Like who doesn't? Everyone loves lesbians.

[dense latch]

thankfully they do act on it pretty quick

[real prairie]

Maybe he lost his girl to a lesbian 🤣

[real prairie]

Yeah before game 3 even finished was funny AF

[foggy lodge]

lmfaooo

[bold geode]

My last ex came out as lesbian a month after we broke up

[foggy lodge]

I had a guy who finished top 32 at NAIC harass me because I haxed them with dire claw🔥

[real prairie]

My GF is Bi-curious, her sister is lesbian and so is her other friend. They have a group chat called 2 and a half lesbians

[bold geode]

That's a great name

[dense latch]

i've seen a huge shit talker spike in reg h

[real prairie]

Thanks I came up with it 🤣

[bold geode]

Now I'm imagining Charlie Sheen in a wig

[foggy lodge]

Rage baiting format

[dense latch]

peak

[real prairie]

Id have lost my shit if I was that player on stream earlier that lost to 4 fissures and 3 hurricanes misses lol

As in was hit by 4 fissures and missed 3 of their own hurricane

[foggy lodge]

That shit was so unfair

The worst part is that that team didn't have a rain MU

The rain MU is literally clicking fissure

[real prairie]

Yep

And it worked

It stalls for fissures with yawn

[foggy lodge]

we still don't have the teams in standings ughhh what is happening

[real prairie]

It's hype for stream when they hit though, makes good entertainment

[real prairie]

Sad

[foggy lodge]

They are funny

[dense latch]

i remember eu regionals taking a bit longer but not this long

[foggy lodge]

But imo fissure for me is playing with one less move

[real prairie]

And it's 1am, so I'll no doubt wake up to losing my title 😭 pray someone hasn't taken Ludicolo to day 2 for me

[foggy lodge]

The dice never rolls in my favour with fissure

I tried out Ting-Lu Dozo Zama Pao in reg G at one point

Had a mirror and they connected 2 fissures while I connected 0

🔥🔥🔥

I would use heavy slam over fissure

For Flutter

But now there's no flutter

Maybe its alright for A9 and some other very weak mons like jumpluff

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 189: Jumpluff

Types

Grass/Flying

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Leaf Guard, Infiltrator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/55/70/55/95/110

Total

460

Sableye version 4.28.4

Filters

• Has the ability No Guard
• Learns Mirror Move

Results (1)

Pidgeot-Mega

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

Nvm it isn't even that weak by the physical side

Ig heavy slam is just shit rn

[tiny karma]

Dondozo's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dive, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Fissure, Flail, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Liquidation, Order Up, Outrage, Rock Slide, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Waterfall, Wave Crash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Chilling Water, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Surf, Tera Blast, Water Gun, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Curse, Endure, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Soak, Substitute, Supersonic, Tickle, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Dondozo.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

Mega Pidgeot in champions running mirror move no guard for partners fissures 😭🤣

[foggy lodge]

Uhhh

It has rock slide!!!

That's an alright check for Volcarona

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441169280

This team is very fun

Gimmicky but fun

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441171628-waswcy5nti68ulls5obr9ufpufape22pw

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

[foggy lodge]

Ray Rizzo went 0-2 drop at Monterrey

[forest arrow]

Damn

[foggy lodge]

:v

I think he didn't arrive or something

[short quiver]

chat i have a question

why would absolutely anyone ever use tera steel whimsicott

[foggy lodge]

Its a fine tera

Resist steel and inmune to poison

[short quiver]

must not be it got nuked by my mienshao

reg h. glacial lance doesnt exist

[foggy lodge]

If you don't really care about the fire weakness its fine

[dense latch]

realized we're not talking reg i my bad lmao

i just default to that when thinking about steel resists

[foggy lodge]

THE SE MOVE KOD THE TERA POKEMON WHAT

[dense latch]

but point stands with like blizzard

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-ballon-d'or-ballon-d'or-shocked-ishowspeed-noway-gif-9357582452923318096

[short quiver]

yeah but why did they tera

[foggy lodge]

that's just being a bad player

[short quiver]

thats what i was asking

why would they intentionally tera into something weak to fighting

[foggy lodge]

Because they messed up you are playing low ladder they will mess up

[short quiver]

theyre other mon was annihilape so there wasnt like any way mienshao could target the other slot either 😭

i have fake out feint CC

[short quiver]

why not tera fire then

[dense latch]

sneasler dire claw, yea they can cc next turn but that one turn can be useful sometimes

you dont want to be using tera on your whimsicott much anyways so idt it’s worth too much thought

[short quiver]

well they’re tera lost them the game

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441174141

yes there is a reason i didnt protect ursaluna turn 1

[jade dust]

What’s better than using one raid boss?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2441189505

Using 2 raid bosses

[proud gulch]

could someone let me know what evs would be best for this team:

(using ho-oh instead of charizard)

[dense latch]

you cant use ho oh here btw

koraidon and shaymin already take up your two restricteds

[proud gulch]

ah

[short quiver]

this team is shit im not using this team anymore

this team fucking sucks i hate it its uncomfortable

[foggy lodge]

Use the version that the NA guys used

It had Incin tho

[short quiver]

nope

ill use torracat i will not use inciniroar

[foggy lodge]

why are you against using strong mons

[upper zealot]

eviolite torracat might be cool if it could learn knock off

[short quiver]

we had this conversation already

[upper zealot]

unfortunately it cant

[foggy lodge]

I wasn't on that conversation lmao

[short quiver]

well my issue isnt whether the mon is strong or not

inciniroar is fucking cringe

[lofty tartan]

[foggy lodge]

I think Incineroar is pretty epic

[short quiver]

its cringe. and i hate its design anyways.

[lofty tartan]

The use of cringe to just talk about things people don't personally like.

[short quiver]

no. incineroar is cringe. smeargle is cringe. Kingambit is cringe. sneasler is cringe.

[foggy lodge]

Fair ig

If you are just playing for fun it's fair

[lofty tartan]

Should probably be "I don't like X" but that whole take is cringe-worthy when considering the context of the channel we're in

Anyway

[short quiver]

fine ill put it this way. i refuse to use those 4 pokemon.

happy now?

[lofty tartan]

So glad to be locking in Incin for Pittsburgh

[pulsar cloak]

Same

[cyan smelt]

Do we have a Karen in the chat

[lofty tartan]

I mean honestly I don't really care what you do or don't like lol. You can hate good mons; better for my matchup roulette.

[short quiver]

you have an incineroar hater. if that makes me a karen then oh fucking well

[lofty tartan]

I'd imagine it's more in how you're presenting it, I guess.

[short quiver]

i just dont like it

is that so wrong that there are mons im against using

[lofty tartan]

No one is trying to change your mind. I think he said Karen because you're kind of going on a tirade about not liking mons like we're trying to convince you differently.

[pulsar cloak]

I just think that it creates limits on what you can use

[lofty tartan]

It does. It's handicapping yourself because of a dislike of the meta. But that's easier for us.

[short quiver]

there are other mons that do the same thing 😭

[lofty tartan]

I'm personally okay if people are adamant about running bad mons.

[short quiver]

like oh i dont know hitmontop

[dense latch]

sure

[lofty tartan]

Hitmontop kind of does the same thing, but worse.

[cyan smelt]

I didn't like annihilape until I started using it then I had a lot of fun with it

[foggy lodge]

Hitmontop doesn't do the same as Incin hell nah

[pulsar cloak]

Like I didn't use Dragonite for a point in time because I developed a disliking towards it because I hated missing scale shot, but I gave in and decided to run it regardless

[pulsar cloak]

Not really

Depends on what role

I just feel like handicapping yourself because of your feelings on a Mon is gonna create bad habits down the line

[lofty tartan]

Incin is used as bulky intimidate/pivot. Hitmontop lacks bulk, and dies to things that Incineroar resists

[short quiver]

i tried incineroar. multiple times. its not for me.

i tried to like it and couldnt

[foggy lodge]

I mean its not like Incineroar is an absolute need for this format

None of SV formats but one just has to be conscious about how not using a mon for a personal reason would límit what you can optimally use

[lofty tartan]

See this is where it starts blurring the line into trying to convince someone to run meta things that just doesn't want to. Not everyone here is competitive, in spite of the channel description. Some just are battling; some still ask for help with story teams

[foggy lodge]

Like idk I personally don't like low accuracy teams or hard TR that limits a bit what I can use

[lofty tartan]

They want to run suboptimal, then let 'em. Big shrug.

[pulsar cloak]

Yeah true

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[bold geode]

Real

[pulsar cloak]

Just being close minded to change in general can be detrimental in the long run

[lofty tartan]

I tried to build with underused mons when I started. Had to learn the hard way, if I wanted to be competitive.

[short quiver]

i like to battle, just there are certain mons that just arent comfortable to me

[lofty tartan]

This is true with most things, but nowadays people are so set in their own ways that any other way of doing something is cringe to them.

Because it's not how "they" do it.

[bold geode]

Limiting yourself or having morals in what mons you're using is bullshit
Use the cat, use the stack of coins, fuck it use a bridge

[pulsar cloak]

Yeah

[short quiver]

did i not say i tried incineroar more than once i feel some people missed that sentence 🫠

[lofty tartan]

Again, they're not trying to be competitive, and saying it's bullshit is really drawing a hard line opinion against them. Just be chill, dawg

[bold geode]

I never seen you say that sentence once LOL

[lofty tartan]

They said it above.

[bold geode]

Yeah like me today right
I'm biting the bullet and using Basculegion
The fish pisses me off though

[short quiver]

i love rain. basculegion is best boi

[bold geode]

Basculegion pisses me off for one reason

Its speed tier
Is JANK AS FUCK

[foggy lodge]

Honestly idk what's a mon I absolutely hate

Uhhh

Probably Articuno lmfao

[short quiver]

whats wrong with ice birb

[foggy lodge]

Or sand veil garchomp

[foggy lodge]

Snow cloak + blizzard is the rng festival

[short quiver]

ah yeah

[foggy lodge]

Well it isn't but its annoying when it happens

[bold geode]

Nah
My most hated one is Whimsicott

[foggy lodge]

The same with sand veil garchomp

[bold geode]

I hate Whimsicott with a burning passion

[lofty tartan]

I don't really see a need to hate mons. I just like the game.

[short quiver]

and me hating incin is an issue? 🫠

[foggy lodge]

I like whimsi whimsi won me a lot of battles

[bold geode]

Well
Hate playing against Whimsicott

[lofty tartan]

Again, I don't think anyone has an issue with you hating Incineroar.

[short quiver]

whimsicott has saved my ass in ever single format since i started vgc

[dense latch]

i don't hate using any mons i think, it's really just mons i hate to play against

[bold geode]

I don't hate the Mon, but playing against it is a fucking nightmare

Who decided to give that cotton ball fuck Prankster TW AND ENCORE

[lofty tartan]

Some game dev, probably.

[foggy lodge]

I know people who hate Scream Tail I love it

[bold geode]

Scream Tail is fine

[short quiver]

its just a silly ball

[foggy lodge]

I have a Scream Tail plush

[bold geode]

Yeah
I don't really hate any Pokemon that are seen in competitive
But there are some I hate playing against no matter what team I have

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

Gotta get better nerves

[foggy lodge]

I hate some more specific things like fissure!

Fissure is the thing I hate with a burning passion

[lofty tartan]

I was very close to locking in Fissure for Pitt

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[bold geode]

I mean idk
They're just always so annoying no matter what and like
Yeah sure I'll deal with them but like
I definitely would opt out if I could

[lofty tartan]

[foggy lodge]

Its fair if other people use it but I just don't have the same vision about the move

For me fissure is playing with one dead slot

[lofty tartan]

I'm pretty accepting of my fate when I get pairings for rounds.

[bold geode]

Like yeah definitely in the restricted format as a Zamazenta player, if I could choose to steer clear from Volcarona then I absolutely would

[lofty tartan]

Just gotta lock in, every.single.time

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-stay-on-target-y-wing-gold5-gif-5204982

[bold geode]

Not that I won't play them
Just in an ideal world, all the ones I hate playing against stay away

[lofty tartan]

I'm actually really hype for Pittsburgh.

Four days, baby

[short quiver]

i will say using koraidon i grew to really like the ancient dragon

[foggy lodge]

NA has the sauce for this format

[dense latch]

i still can't find a team i feel comfortable with

[lofty tartan]

We've got a team and a backup team. So we're set.

I'm just gonna have to build like six teams of shiny pokes.

[foggy lodge]

what is the backup team for?

[lofty tartan]

In case we audible last minute

[shrewd charm]

Alright. I want a Scream Tail build. Who can help?

[foggy lodge]

Ah fair

[foggy lodge]

For what format

[lofty tartan]

I'm running the same team as 2 other people so we're gonna stay in-line with each other and represent.

[bold geode]

Actually low-key one Pokemon I don't like in general cuz of VGC if I had one is probably Gholdengo

[foggy lodge]

Pog

[lofty tartan]

Goldengoat

[foggy lodge]

Teambuilding groups are some of the best things ever

[lofty tartan]

Gholdengo is one of my favorite pokemon of all time, ever.

From design to viability, it's all fire.

[bold geode]

It's not that it's bad, it's just like
You ever have that one Pokemon that you feel like clicks for everyone but it never really clicks for you? That's Gholdengo for me

[shrewd charm]

Well I want to build it like it's competitive but not really for competitive if that makes sense

[lofty tartan]

Note to self - run Gholdengo into monke 100% of the time.

[foggy lodge]

I remember I played for fun in reg A and I hated dengo

[bold geode]

Oh no I prep for that motherfucker

[lofty tartan]

I'm playing Ghold for Pitt.

[foggy lodge]

Tbf I was super bad at the game but I hated it

Now I like it its a cool mon

[lofty tartan]

My first team was Trick Room with Dragalge.

I learned very fast that playing off-beat mons is not the way.

[bold geode]

Real

[dense latch]

that's been blursa for me recently
i feel like it shouldn't be that hard to get it but i just can't use it well

[foggy lodge]

My first ever team had cross chop Incin with primarina

[lofty tartan]

Also that playing HTR gives me a headache.

[foggy lodge]

I used primarina in a format where Tapu Fini was available lmfao

[lofty tartan]

Tapus. My beloved.

[primal saddle]

https://pokepast.es/6292de23dffad1f9 do i need to swap chi yu for something like iron hands?

[lofty tartan]

I want Tapus so badly.

[bold geode]

Only time I run real off meta stuff now is if like
Either content or if I really believe it can ACTUALLY work

[lofty tartan]

I'm dropping like 500 bucks for my half of Pittsburgh so I'm going with some science.

[bold geode]

But even then I don't recommend it all of the time

[lofty tartan]

But I saved a boat load of cash this trip, and I have way more cash flow after my promotion.

So I'm looking at Las Vegas and maybe a foreign regional now.

[bold geode]

It's not something you should always be thinking of first unless you have HELLA experience

[lofty tartan]

Hell, I may go to NAIC this year

[foggy lodge]

I've used low usage mons but I only teams from tournaments that have done well

I used Venusaur a lot in reg G

[bold geode]

It's why Jamie Boyt does well with weird shit

[lofty tartan]

I used Venu a lot in Reg H v1

Venu Sun is rad as hell.

[dense latch]

i haven't used any low usage mons in a while

[bold geode]

It's not that the weird shit is the best
It's that he's experienced with the craft

[dense latch]

like at most this year probably just eleki which isn't even that crazy

[lofty tartan]

I love Venu in VGC. Speedy Sleep Powder with awesome coverage.

[foggy lodge]

I don't think Venu is bad on this format tbh

[lofty tartan]

Fire Weather Ball goes nuts

[foggy lodge]

I think it can have some interesting niche

But Venusaur was so cool

It alone patched up the Groudon and Kyogre MUs for Koraidon

[lofty tartan]

I was playing either Sash or Cloak depending on how I felt, but usually four attacks, no protect.

Sleep Powder, Sludge Bomb, Giga Drain, and Weather Ball, I think

Tera Fire for shenanigans

[foggy lodge]

It also was good into the CSR balance comps with Clefairy

[primal saddle]

https://pokepast.es/6292de23dffad1f9 if i replaced chi yu with a venusaur or iron hands, do i have a decent team here?

the venusaur tech might be amazng for my squad

[dense latch]

it looks alright already
i wouldn't do cc with koraidon if you're doing clear amulet

either collision course clear amulet or close combat life orb

[foggy lodge]

Low kick can work if you want the boost

Low kick does the same damage as CC into a lot of targets for the format

[primal saddle]

understood, i can fix koraidon but

[foggy lodge]

Just that its not the same damage into everything

[primal saddle]

my thng is, i am struggling vs kyogre & rain teams as well as trick room teams

[short quiver]

i found a mon that has intimidate and learns fake out and knock off that isnt incin 😃

[primal saddle]

i wanted a slow mon that is good in both scenarios, is it just iron hands?

[solid frigate]

this is why the worlds team has bonnet

[dense latch]

that's what bonnet is for

also use something else on your lunala

[primal saddle]

so you think it could be a skill issue and chi yu fine?

[dense latch]

berries are kinda mid with unnerve calyrex all over the format

tera fairy lefties moonblast lunala works, so does tera water meteor beam

[foggy lodge]

I mean the world champion team used sitrus

But it was on Bonnet which is a mon that can threaten the Calys to left the field

Unlike Lunala that doesn't really force them that much

[primal saddle]

what is the world champion team?

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/aa1c44cee7c13f90

almost your team actually lol

[primal saddle]

oh wt

wtf

[dense latch]

ursaluna can be that slow mon u want

[primal saddle]

i kind of want to try venusaur....LOL

[solid frigate]

Ursa is Ursa so

We just love nuking

[forest arrow]

Goated team, Koala believer from the beginning

[foggy lodge]

The amount of times I said that Korai Lunala was troll dude

[solid frigate]

that makes the team too fast i belive

Chi Yu and Flutter are enough

[primal saddle]

it would be instead of chi yu

[short quiver]

why would you do that

[primal saddle]

bc venusaur is extremely cool

[solid frigate]

Chi yu is kinda the enabler for Lunala and Flutter here

[foggy lodge]

Chi Yu is lowkey the piece that puts the whole team together

[short quiver]

i mean i 100% get it but why chiyu specifically

[solid frigate]

me and throw belived it hardly and paid off ig

[primal saddle]

chi yu feels like not useful when all im going against is kyogre

maybe kyogre less of meta then think

[solid frigate]

you don't bring chi yu against Kyogre-

[primal saddle]

i dont, but i dont have anything to beat it

[short quiver]

well thats the problem 😭

[solid frigate]

bonnet:

[dense latch]

win the weather wars and use bonnet well

[foggy lodge]

Lunala Bonnet

[primal saddle]

bonnet doesnt feel like enough maybe skill issue

[forest arrow]

Lunala bonnet beats Kyogre

[foggy lodge]

The team has the tools to beat it tbh

[primal saddle]

yeah i just added lunala, i havent tested yet

[solid frigate]

its probably 100% skill issue

[primal saddle]

nice, can work with that

[foggy lodge]

wdym probably 100%

[forest arrow]

Bonnet is crucial for the horse mus

both CsR and CIR

[primal saddle]

im new to vgc as in like, few months so thanks guys 🙂

[short quiver]

thats funny kyogre is my easiest MU with Korai Icy

[solid frigate]

and tera water with sun boost helps Koraidon mirror as well

[short quiver]

thats a lie groudon is easier but still

[foggy lodge]

also use tera water on Lunala

That's the clutch change for that MU

[forest arrow]

Tera water wide guard is your best friend

when it comes to that, can’t pump you either

[solid frigate]

you don't have to worry about Miraidon too much when Flutter Feesh could deal with it

[foggy lodge]

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[forest arrow]

Lmao BEAR

[solid frigate]

and then there''s garchomp sitting in the retirement home

[foggy lodge]

istg we need a fast special attacker ground type

Landorus please

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-landorus-landlos-tornadus-gif-16172877878845363419

[foggy lodge]

My shaylaaaa

[solid frigate]

how i miss this guy

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-landorus-landlos-tornadus-gif-16172877878845363419

lol we used the same gif that’s funny

[short quiver]

is lando really the only one?

[solid frigate]

i think i used Landorus more than both ursas in my career

[primal saddle]

if i go tera water lunala, what do i use instead of dazzlng gleam?

[solid frigate]

meteor beam power herb

[primal saddle]

oh wtf

[foggy lodge]

Meteor beam moongeist beam wide guard trick room

[primal saddle]

thats insane that works?!?

[forest arrow]

Meteor beam picks up KO’s into incin

[solid frigate]

aka the ol faithful

[forest arrow]

Which is one of Lunalas biggest ops

[solid frigate]

also you have Koraidon who deals with dark types anyway

[short quiver]

i found a mon i can use to avoid using incin. theoretically anyways.

[foggy lodge]

For the good ones yeah

The other option would be sandy shocks

[solid frigate]

i mean

If you see Geomancy Xerneas its basically the same thing just different buffs

[primal saddle]

i havent seen that yet, i jst started trying reg j like 3 hours ago

[solid frigate]

which ummm

Don't use it

Its horrible to use

[short quiver]

xerneas isnt in scarlet and violet

[solid frigate]

because xerneas isn't in the game

I mean like any vgc coverage videos

[foggy lodge]

It isn't that horrible honestly

It has good stats and a decent coverage + protosynthesis on speed is always broken

[forest arrow]

It’s not good either tho lol

[foggy lodge]

But idk its just not it you know

[solid frigate]

@forest arrow man it feels strange that Lunadon (Korai/Groudon) Almost won 3 restricted world championships in a row (2022 lost to CSR Zacian)

[foggy lodge]

It also doesn't excel in anything

[solid frigate]

i used it before and ummm

Me and Nova are just in painful sighs

[lofty tartan]

Don't disrespect my son like that

[forest arrow]

But Lando T 🥺

[lofty tartan]

I like Lando T as well

[solid frigate]

i tried it with Lunadon before lmao (Team got deleted thanks to Opera being such a pain in the ass deleting my cookies)

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

MAN the weekend I'm going to Pittsburgh, I'm also gonna be catching me a shiny Shadow Groudon there

[solid frigate]

i wanna make a joke on pittsburgh's weather from a yt when they played Mario Wii Mod

but nah

[lofty tartan]

It's just gonna be Shadow Groudon raid weekend

[solid frigate]

not too interested cuz you can't primal them anyway

[tiny karma]

Sandy Shocks [Electric/Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Flying, Poison, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ground, Ice, Water

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.
Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

like you can't primal the shadow Groudon and Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

20% bonus damage anyway

I don't have any Primal energy either.

[solid frigate]

fair

Still have my shadow mewtwo and it does pretty solid damage with fast ult charge

[lofty tartan]

But it'll look nice with my shiny Shadow Kyogre

[solid frigate]

i have a shiny Primal Groudon in my account

He cooks ngl

[lofty tartan]

I'll get it when it comes back around with the Primal energy as a drop.

I just wasn't raiding around that time.

I didn't get a shiny Zac either. I got two Hundos 😐

[solid frigate]

fair enough

I might raid again when Korai and miraidon are here

[lofty tartan]

My roommate got two Hundo Zamas

[solid frigate]

I got 2 shiny Zacs lol

[lofty tartan]

I have a shiny Zama.

[solid frigate]

i mean zacian soz

[lofty tartan]

Just didn't get the shiny Zac to pop.

PLUS it was Max Finale weekend so I was preoccupied with a lot of raids.

Got a shiny Dark Skies background Entei. Two shiny background Charizard. Shiny background Gengar

[solid frigate]

i did not raid that time cuz i was tired and i am near wales that time

[lofty tartan]

All Dmax/Gmax

[solid frigate]

sheesh

[lofty tartan]

Two shiny Gmax Venus.

[solid frigate]

damn lucky you

[lofty tartan]

I got other things too but it's all scattered. Shiny Arti shiny Zapdos

Hundo Dmax Moltres

I did spend a good roll though

That weekend was expensive, with all the raids and Eternatus

[solid frigate]

how hard is it

[lofty tartan]

Eternatus raid was really easy. You just ganged up on him with a huge group. The Go Pass that actually granted you Eternatus was only advanced through doing raids.

You didn't get to catch Eternatus

And he takes like 100x the candy that anything else does

I got him to 4k power and there he will sit.

I maxed out Dynamax Cannon and whatever, but I didn't farm candy for him. That was for whales

I spent like 200 that weekend though, because I had NO Gmax in my account