competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

He's stronger than Rillaboom in every way

[stone trellis]

Does he have 70 Attack?

I need to see the stats.

[shadow wind]

So 100/130/100/80/80/130

[polar canyon]

Reminds me that I need to do breeding

[stone trellis]

It's slightly bulkier, slightly stronger and way faster.

[split sparrow]

Do ppl like Rillaboom for comp? Ive seen ppl using him in that pokemon website thingy

[polar canyon]

Yes very good guy

[shadow wind]

Yeah

I also made him 252 adamant with band

[polar canyon]

Decently strong priority move but the terrain is probably the biggest part of the bundle

[stone trellis]

It's quite a strong Pokemon.

[polar canyon]

Fake out too

[dense latch]

top 3 non restricted mon to come out of gen 8

top 2 actually only behind ursh

[shadow wind]

This might be the funniest looking OM

[split sparrow]

Mf numel is OP bro

[waxen dock]

Wth

Wth is this om?

[shadow wind]

Bad n' Boosted

[waxen dock]

Is it tier shift

[stone trellis]

Bad n' Boosted.

If a Pokemon has a base stat below 70, it gets doubled.

[waxen dock]

Is it like tier shift? That people use nfe mons

[stone trellis]

Including HP.

[waxen dock]

Its like 350 cup

[polar canyon]

Oooh that's what it is I thought you were on reg j rocking a rilla nicknamed grookey

[waxen dock]

I think

Or whatever its called

[shadow wind]

Numel actually is pretty scary with simple

[polar canyon]

Does hp get doubled too

[shadow wind]

Yea

[polar canyon]

Is flutter mane allowed

[shadow wind]

Yup

[polar canyon]

I see

[shadow wind]

It runs mixed

It is very strong

[polar canyon]

Yeah I figured

[stone trellis]

Urshifu with like, 120 SpD:

[polar canyon]

How does it work with protosynthesis?

[stone trellis]

The same, I presume.

[polar canyon]

Does it allow something like speed booster bonnet

[shadow wind]

Sleep moves are banned

[stone trellis]

Iron Moth with 120 Defense:

[shadow wind]

Volcarona is pretty scary

[stone trellis]

130 Defense?

[shadow wind]

Yuh

[polar canyon]

I imagine speed tiers look very wack

[short quiver]

wait so skarmory 140 speed would actually be one of the faster mons? i can use my boi as a body press demon 😃

[shadow wind]

It's all just like 140

Or close to it

Dragonair is broken

[short quiver]

i imagine

i imagine all the psuedo legendaries are pretty broken

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 148: Dragonair

Type

Dragon

Abilities

Shed Skin, Marvel Scale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/84/65/70/70/70

Total

420

Sableye version 4.28.4

[waxen dock]

Why?

[short quiver]

cuz any low stats is now doubled

[short quiver]

like this guy

[polar canyon]

Scary

[tiny karma]

Ability: Marvel Scale

If this Pokemon has a non-volatile status condition, its Defense is multiplied by 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

AYO?

[polar canyon]

Flame orb milotic is a thing in singles thanks to that

[short quiver]

flame orb dragonair is probably a thing in bnb

[polar canyon]

I think cynthia actually uses one of those in bdsp which is vile

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 302: Sableye

Types

Dark/Ghost

Abilities

Keen Eye, Stall, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/75/75/65/65/50

Total

380

Other Formes

Sableye-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

Five points, bro.

[short quiver]

100 speed isnt bad

[shadow wind]

Could have been nasty

[stone trellis]

Five fucking points.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 861: Grimmsnarl

Types

Dark/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Frisk, Pickpocket (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/120/65/95/75/60

Total

510

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

Budget Umbreon.

[polar canyon]

Prankster umbreon

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[shadow wind]

Lucario is wild

Just goes 140/140/140 for bulk

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 448: Lucario

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Steadfast, Inner Focus, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/70/115/70/90

Total

525

Other Formes

Lucario-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

Oh my God.

Literally better Zamazenta.

[shadow wind]

Pretty much yeah

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 790: Cosmoem

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Sturdy

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

43/29/131/29/131/37

Total

400

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

Still mid

[stone trellis]

Too shit to work, damn it.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 798: Kartana

Types

Grass/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

59/181/131/59/31/109

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

118/131/62?

Zamn!

[shadow wind]

If only he was legal

[stone trellis]

Dondozo.

It would be so awesome.

It would be so cool.

It would be the most incredible mixed wall the world has ever seen!

[shadow wind]

He wouldn't even be that standout though

150/115/130

[karmic temple]

I’ve been good just busy taking care of Entei, August was a really bad month for the two of us lol. How about you???

Decided I’m gonna try and travel for more events out of state too 😌

[knotty mirage]

I have question if i'm on 1v1 situation and use final gambit and both of our mon faint which side that will win ?

[next stump]

the side that clicks final gambit

[real prairie]

think ive finalised my team for GC

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433859423

https://pokepast.es/b16bdf7df223047f

[forest arrow]

The Ludi sweeepppp

lol nice

[real prairie]

reload it. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433866267

[knotty mirage]

Ah aight so i don't need to worry much about clicking it

[bold geode]

We good
Getting mentally prepared for GC

[next dust]

Speaking of Gc i think I've built something diabolical

[stone trellis]

You've got my interest.

[karmic temple]

I’m just about to just make a rain team or stall team and pray for the best I haven’t thought about the gc at all lmfao

[bold geode]

I'm honestly pretty prepped
Not like my team is crazy but in terms of nerves this is the calmest I've been

[real prairie]

Im not lol

[stone trellis]

I'd be calm too if I hadn't registered a half-finished team.

[real prairie]

i have ideas, but none seem to be very consistent

[stone trellis]

God, I could've waited five more minutes and fixed the Tera types.

[real prairie]

this is definitely the idea to go with i think

[karmic temple]

That’s good to hear that you’re calm at least

[stone trellis]

At least Kal0s will use the actual finished team and he'll probably do better than me.

I kind of want to use Enamorus.

[next dust]

sorry was distracted. its safe to assume lots of people will be using the dondozo/tatsugiri format or ursaluna/another mon that needs setup boosted

Smeargle (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Ruination
• Topsy-Turvy
• Protect

[bold geode]

Yeah
Also I will say my team looks normal, but I've deviated from norms a bit lol

And also like
I guess cuz I view the game in a much healthier way than I did before, it's just helping me stay more closer to a Zen state than I ever have been for these

[karmic temple]

Thing I’m gonna say f it and either do moody Muk or a dancer team

Yeah I noticed that! You’ve made some really impressive strides in your game

[short quiver]

ruination and topsyturvy is interesting

why specifically ruination not super fang

[short quiver]

in reg j?

[next dust]

cuts physical walls in half. garunteed dmg so long as it hits. topsyturvy ruins any setup and makes it my own wincon ruination is there to halve the HP of anything im not supereffective to to bring it into one shot range for my other mons

[short quiver]

doesnt superfang do the exact same thing as ruination 😭

and natures madness(which doesnt exist in SV but still)

[next dust]

quick question

does superfang hit ghost types?

[short quiver]

genuinely didnt even consider that lmao

[dense latch]

no

[next dust]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-think-smart-big-brain-use-brain-gif-17375388770172608707

exactly

[dense latch]

oh lmao i just joined and thought it was a genuine question

[short quiver]

my bad g ill let you cook

[next dust]

LOL

[short quiver]

no lmao

[dense latch]

but yea ruination/nature’s madness have that upside

[next dust]

which is why its ran on smeargle

topsy turvy makes your setup my setup ruination cuts half the hp of things that are not supereffective or resist the mons i have on field for a tera sweep up

[dense latch]

even if both did the exact same ruination clears super fang in both name and animation

[next stump]

has it been working out in practice games

[dense latch]

tho i think part of what made ruination so good were the pokemon in reg i

things like lunala and zama

[next dust]

most of the teams ive been facing ff before i can use ruination

or topsy turvy

[short quiver]

and cir 🫠

[next dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433928339

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433930539-847kfg5whhyw78ipmb1tclfqs0hfdmwpw two turn FF

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433931690 another FF

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2433934552

for the games people have led dozo tatsugiri against me its crippled them before i even got to my sweepers

i even tested it against an arceus team after i built in game and it swept that one too

so the smeargle strat def works

[short quiver]

i wish mew could learn fake out

[next dust]

Why bother with fakeout

Just imprison transform lol

[short quiver]

why NOT bother with fake out

[short quiver]

i wont be doing allat

im using mew for a playthrough

[next dust]

Ahhhhhhhh

[short quiver]

my reg j team is gonna be CSR Zama

[next dust]

Thought we were talking reg J lmao

[dense latch]

what’s your gardevoir’s ability? i feel like telepathy is the only niche it has next to garchomp

[next dust]

It's telepathy

[dense latch]

did you change it after that game bc you ko’d yourself with eq

[short quiver]

i hVe my reg j team and tera types i just need to finalize the movesets

[next dust]

It was supposed to be telepathy I just didnt realize I didnt change it when I put it in showdown lol

[dense latch]

oh ok

[next dust]

My reg J is caly-shadow darkrai core

[short quiver]

hey can someone tell me why i was told tera fairy for indeedee? what is it good for

[next dust]

Removes dark weakness for one

Immunity to dragon resists fighting and gives stab for dazzling gleam

[dense latch]

neutral into most stuff + resist into dark

[short quiver]

aight

i got tera water zamazenta tera normal CSR tera ground meowscarada tera fairy indeedee tera fire firepon (obviously) and tera fairy raichu

[next dust]

Basically it keeps you in psychic terrain longer removes the threat of u turn so it keeps you safer from encore+pivot cores

[short quiver]

before anyone asks why meow is tera ground its for tera ground terablast

choice band tera ground tera blast nukes mirai and does pretty good damage to anything that tera fire or steel

have already calced it

[next dust]

Why is raichu in the team?

[short quiver]

fake out, lightning rod, nuzzle, and enables tera water zama

also straight walls miraidon

[bold geode]

Thx
Yeah I had to take a break cuz I had mad burnout but reflection is a nice thing
Honestly the changes were a bit simple but it's like even the simple things sometimes matter

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel

[bold geode]

Also I recommend AV Incin to anyone

[short quiver]

gross

incinicringe

[bold geode]

That is the one thing on my GC team you're gonna get rn
AV Incineroar is actually really fucking cracked

[chrome knot]

i refunded milwaukee

[short quiver]

*cringe

[bold geode]

They're actually giving refunds?

[chrome knot]

mhm

[bold geode]

That's good

Hated you couldn't get any last season

[chrome knot]

donno just

glad that section of my life over

[bold geode]

Tbh other than GC prep, my interest in playing VGC rn is kind of just

Not there as much

[next dust]

Ig I can see it for lightning rod alone

But there are way better ways to cover if you dont need lightning rod

[bold geode]

Until Kat drags you somewhere

[chrome knot]

i told her i wasn’t going and id just come visit her sometime

ive liked our trips more when a large chunk of the day wasn’t preoccupied by pokemon that usually ended in being upset

[bold geode]

Correct me but
Weren't y'all like
Living with each other now or

[chrome knot]

noo? i just go visit her often bc its very cheap

[bold geode]

Oh I thought you told me that was planned and I thought it was already done mb

[short quiver]

it also has endeavor in the last slot

and an AV

i cant decide between tbolt and voltswitch though

[next stump]

definitely volt switch, you’re not really there for damage

[short quiver]

its there to eat an electric move and dip

i forgot endeavor was in its movepool until yesterday

i was gonna use alluring voice and someone said try endeavor

[dull ibex]

A friend of mine started vgc

[short quiver]

Is that good or bad?

[dull ibex]

Happy more people are getting into vgc

[short quiver]

🥳

[dull ibex]

[short quiver]

i got fake out nuzzle volt switch endeavor for raichu, astral arrage expanding force deaining kiss protectfor CSR Ivy cudgel power whip follow me spiky shield for firepon and knock off flower trick triple axel tera blast for meowscarada

i gotta figure out what imma cook for Indeedee and Zama

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

[polar canyon]

Have you considered pokepastes also tera blast meowscarada?

[short quiver]

correct

tera ground tera blast

it eats steel types for breakfast

also choice band btw

[polar canyon]

That sure is a thing you can do

I mean I won't judge

If it gets positive results it works enough

Does that actually get positive results tho

[short quiver]

its calced

it melts miraidon and guaranteed 2HKO magearna after leftovers

as for pokepaste id do that if i wasnt busy atm

[polar canyon]

That sounds like something alright

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmm

[polar canyon]

I mean any ground type could do the same thing if the point is just doing that

If miraidon targets meows it just gets one shot by draco meteor with or without tera

[short quiver]

i was originally considering focus sash with taunt in the last slot

but tera blast gives me an answer to magearna instead of relying on Poni to 1v1 her

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

although lowkey i might still use the taunt idea

[left bobcat]

Taunt SCHYEAH

[short quiver]

heres what i got

oh i gotta change the tera types

[red willow]

Should I drop amoonguss from my team for reg j of Arceus CSR Bolt Chien Pao Urshifu r Amoonguss and just lean into hyper offense?

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/bc89d39eb48de38f

[shadow wind]

One of the many reasons I love ttar

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Steel Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand through Light Screen: 104-123 (51.7 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[pliant moat]

Would anyone be able to help me make a competitive team?

[shadow wind]

Sure thing

What format?

[pliant moat]

Reg H

Mind if I just dm you to make it easier?

[short quiver]

i mean this channel is for exactly that

[pliant moat]

Ok well I’m trying to make a rain team for reg H

I kinda like these 4 mons I have but I’m stuck on the last 2

[dense latch]

there's not many electric type mons or moves you'd need raichu for in this regulation

peli arch basc are great though

[short quiver]

the humble archaludon

[pliant moat]

Oh really okay

[dense latch]

and that's it

[pliant moat]

Ya I kinda just brought him for lighting rod but if I don’t need him I don’t gotta bring him

[short quiver]

although raichu thunder in the rain would probably hurt

[pliant moat]

Ya that too

But what other mons would yall recommend for this team?

[short quiver]

rain isnt my specialty gang sorry 😔

[pliant moat]

I was thinking primarina for hyper voice in the rain but I don’t want too many water types

Your good lol

[dense latch]

there's a lot of ways you can take the team

standard would probably be to finish it off with incin amoong gholdengo

[short quiver]

yikes

[pliant moat]

Ya but do I want toooooo

[dense latch]

you don't have to

[short quiver]

see this guy gets it

[dense latch]

like i said there's many different ways you can finish off that core

[pliant moat]

Mmm ok

I’ll experiment with different mons and see what I can do

Thank you

[short quiver]

hey while your here what can i put for these last few moveslots. i can use munchstats for ev spreads i just need the last moveslots filled
https://pokepast.es/bc89d39eb48de38f

[dense latch]

usually peli arch basc lean into those standard six but peli arch can make for some cool teams

[dense latch]

drop draining kiss on csr for nasty plot

dkiss will contribute nothing without tera and even with it it's underwhelming without boosts

[short quiver]

but then i cant hit a wideguard mon

since i have both Astral Barrage and Eforce

[dense latch]

that's an issue with psychic terrain csr that draining kiss isn't going to solve

just use eforce outside of terrain

or use a different csr set

[short quiver]

i want to use eforce

[pliant moat]

Is learning competitive just trial and error or did yall learn from certain people/groups

[short quiver]

so trade dkiss for nasty plot. got it. what about zama and indeedee

[short quiver]

all of the above

[pliant moat]

I see thank you

[dense latch]

there's some resources in pinned
having some base knowledge will help you grow faster through trial and error

if you just barge in with no prior knowledge you might be fine eventually but it might get exhausting

[pliant moat]

Ya I think I’m relatively knowledged

[dense latch]

i would do psychic follow me trick room helping hand

[shadow wind]

Sinistcha and Amoonguss are pretty similar right now aren't they

[short quiver]

bet

how is my meow set 😃

[pliant moat]

Like I have type matchups, abilities, all that stuff down it’s just building teams and like actually battling when I don’t have much experience

[dense latch]

i'd drop taunt for protect

[short quiver]

i wanted someone on my team to have it and i genuinely thing meow is the only mon that learns it

[dense latch]

ogerpon learns it

you have grass coverage with meowscarada anyways

[short quiver]

so drop power whip, give it taunt, and then trade meows taunt for protect

[shadow wind]

Erik could I get a judgement call from you on a team

[dense latch]

they have some overlap in rain cores but sinistcha won't work in place of amoong in all or even most teams and viceversa

[dense latch]

yea sure

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/a2663cf6fc73af35

The Amoonguss Sinistcha idea came from this

I don't know what'd be better here

[dense latch]

what team members are you willing to switch

i imagine ttar exca are pretty set

[shadow wind]

Lots of em

Yeah I like those guys

As well as Gastrodon, I feel like Gastrodon has use cases again

[dense latch]

im not the biggest fan of giga drain volc in this meta

[shadow wind]

Yeah me neither

Although it wasn't horrible into Ursa

[dense latch]

tera fairy tera blast is goated for the dragons

i like the goggles idea

[shadow wind]

Tera fairy tera blast could be cool

I would need a better TR answer then though

Like Sinistcha or something

Strength sap is always better than spore in those situations

[dense latch]

i feel like ttar is amazing into hard tr right

[shadow wind]

Ursaluna screws it

[dense latch]

but i do see the issue vs like p2 ursa

[shadow wind]

No tera = Headlong
Tera = Facade

[dense latch]

i think grimm and gastro are kind of dead slots

[shadow wind]

Interesting

Grimm is a bit meh

Gastro has been quite nice into Archaludon though

And I feel like Ttar drill usually struggles into Arch

[dense latch]

you could go the indeedee sneasler route

[shadow wind]

I'm not a big sneasler fan

Ok so the 4 of Ttar, Drill, Volc, Grass tr rage powder guy is good though?

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/8093ce72a57105e6
what we think

[shadow wind]

This feels kinda ok

[short quiver]

uh Zamas nature is Impish

[dense latch]

give indeedee helping hand protect is unnecessary

[short quiver]

kk

[dense latch]

again draining kiss will do like 20% to neutral hits

it's not gonna help you at all

[pliant moat]

Ok I know reg J like just came out but what would be a good 6th member for this team?

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee-Female

[short quiver]

i forgot to change that lmao

[pliant moat]

Isn’t indeedee mainly used for trick room?

[foggy lodge]

It's anti prio + redirection for that team

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/b88499801dcf4123
fixed?

[short quiver]

yes but no

[pliant moat]

Ah ok oh ya with terrain and follow me gotcha

Thank you

Any other adjustments Pokemon wise I should make or does that team seem good?

[dense latch]

yea but you're wasting evs on ogerpon and indeedee

give them 252 hp and drop the attack stats

[short quiver]

ogerpon 0attack?

or ogerpon 4 attack

[dense latch]

4

[short quiver]

kk

[dense latch]

for both
248 is wasting 4 evs bc you don't get an extra stat point

[short quiver]

oh

“idk im not really a math guy” ~Puss in boots

[dense latch]

set your mons to level 50 and use the ev sliders so you don't accidentally use those evs

[short quiver]

all set to level 50 and i typed in the numbers manually

https://pokepast.es/9f88d0b3dcf57738

from an experienced player standpoint is my team decent or is it straight copium

[dense latch]

raichu is like
okay i guess

it does have a very small niche

meow is copium but im not gonna stop you from using what you like to use

[short quiver]

ive used meow in every format since ive started playing comp in reg c i dont plan to stop now

i LOVE my cat

[pliant moat]

Love seeing that

I’m all for using mons that are actually viable but I love using Pokemon I personally like too

[short quiver]

i mean meowscarada WAS good for a while

until it just wasnt anymore

[short quiver]

i really like raichu. nuzzle is quite possibly my favorite move

its not crazy or anything but 100% chance to paralyze is goated

and unlike thunderwave it cant miss either. AND can still wear an AV to use it

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2434067661

i actually kinda feel bad ngl

[shadow wind]

I feel like I'm de-rusting

I get blasted game one then clutch game 2 and 3

Just like the olden days

[foggy lodge]

Switched teams for the GC from last minute

I'm using QD Volc from last minute like everybody

I fought a Dozo Gliscor stall team

Succesfully tricked the gliscor my scarf and then tricked the toxic orb on their Dozo lmao

[onyx lichen]

what’s the best counter to darkrais dark void spam I’m using a white kyurem and lunala on a prankster tailwind team but i always get unlucky and have only had one pokemon ever avoid dark void and i keep fighting darkrais

[polar canyon]

Probably miraidon

[onyx lichen]

would there be a way to do it without swapping out one of my restricteds?

[polar canyon]

I like vital spirit taunt electabuzz but that's a more uncommon pick that fits how I play

[cyan smelt]

you could always put lum berry on something

[onyx lichen]

does taunt work on darkrai, i know its immune to prankster but if a non prankster uses taunt does it stop darkrai

[polar canyon]

Yeah works like normal

Dark void is a status move

[onyx lichen]

maybe lunala lum berry with taunt

because i’m running safety goggles on lunala right now to stop spore

[cyan smelt]

or you could use fast ursaluna

[onyx lichen]

but lum berry stops the first spore anyway

[cyan smelt]

immune to sleep after a protect

[polar canyon]

Maybe its still dangerous to be putting up your psychic ghost against the guy that always has dark pulse

[onyx lichen]

i have it set to tera fairy and it runs moonblast moongeist wide guard and a trick room(to reverse other trick rooms) but i might drop that trick room for taunt

[polar canyon]

Also lunala has taunt?

[onyx lichen]

doesn’t seem like it

[polar canyon]

Tera is an important resource so actively planning on using it for a certain plan to even work kinda takes away your chance to tera something else for the whole battle

I think that's why terapagos doesn't really pop off in double restricted

On top of the moment people realized koraidon is goated

[onyx lichen]

i never have had any issues with koraidon

white kyurem typically kills with ice moves if it’s not tera fire and i run earth power if it is tera fire

[foggy lodge]

Safeguard can work

Misty terrain Whimsicott too

[polar canyon]

I forget that's a move

That exists

[foggy lodge]

I tried out safeguard Goltres during reg G

Its was bad ngl but

It could do something into some stuff

[polar canyon]

What was the point of it

[foggy lodge]

Anti Amoonguss

And anti Grimmsnarl

[onyx lichen]

misty terrain might be good

[foggy lodge]

Anti t wave specifically

[polar canyon]

I thought goltres had taunt

[onyx lichen]

cause i don’t run any dragon moves

[foggy lodge]

It also was for anti will o wisp into Zama

[polar canyon]

I honestly completely forgot misty terrain had the dragon move effect

[foggy lodge]

Its also an anti Miraidon tech

You remove their terrain and weaken draco

[polar canyon]

Gotta try that

[onyx lichen]

real quick my moveset on white kyurem might be dumb i’m running life orb one with max special attack it uses protect earth power blizzard and fusion flare is this a bad set to run

[foggy lodge]

And misty terrain doesn't give the 30% boost that the other terrains do so it can't backfire into tera fairy dazzling

[polar canyon]

I like playing with status tho

[polar canyon]

That's why it always feels forgettable imo like how come that one doesn't get the boost

[foggy lodge]

It was probably because of Xerneas

[polar canyon]

Its not like there's anything good with misty surge as an ability in the game rn

[foggy lodge]

+2 moonblast fairy aura misty terrain Xerneas

Or fairy is just quirky

Girlhood is a spectrum

[polar canyon]

• beads of ruin

[foggy lodge]

• tera fairy

[polar canyon]

Some of them are on the far end of the spectrum

Grimmsnarl 100% male

[tiny karma]

Ability: Fairy Aura

While this Pokemon is active, the power of Fairy-type moves used by active Pokemon is multiplied by 1.33.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[polar canyon]

When xerneas is playable I wanna try choice band play rough

[foggy lodge]

With beads of ruin and tera fairy this is around a 800 BP move

[polar canyon]

Balanced

[foggy lodge]

With only+2 and fairy aura and misty terrain is 479

Yeah Xerneas is probably the reason why misty terrain works like that lol

[polar canyon]

At least there's no dazzling gleam terrain spam

I like to think miraidon dazzling gleam is just flashing its headlights

[shadow wind]

Why does misty terrain matter?

[left bobcat]

Misty terrain is assingly underrated

[foggy lodge]

We are just factoring if misty terrain gave a boost

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[foggy lodge]

But it doesn't

[shadow wind]

Man I hate teams that have Ape, Arch and Maus

[left bobcat]

Gamefreak should buff misty terrain with xerneas 🙏

A misty terrain boost with a +2 fairy aura plus stab dazzling gleam

[foggy lodge]

They are annoying af

I used blursa clef in early meta to counter them lol

[left bobcat]

YOURE FORGETTING SNEASLER

[shadow wind]

Why did I just lose to timid Blursa

[left bobcat]

……

[shadow wind]

Mickey mouse format bro

[foggy lodge]

Life orb tera normal hyper voice was a clean 2HKO into Maus Ape

[foggy lodge]

It has become standard tbh

[left bobcat]

Just a 2HKO what the helllllll

[foggy lodge]

What was the item

[shadow wind]

Lorb

[foggy lodge]

Ehhh

I think it is standard idk

[shadow wind]

I feel like Ttar drill is so good into half the meta and unusable into the other half

[foggy lodge]

Reg H experience

[onyx lichen]

with lunala since it has shadow shield should i run recover on it to bring it back to full so its ability reactivates or is it better to run leftovers

[shadow wind]

I honestly dislike Reg H

[left bobcat]

No

[shadow wind]

Somehow it's more centralized than Reg G

[foggy lodge]

Me too is a horrible format lol

[shadow wind]

I miss Reg G

[left bobcat]

Cmonnnnnnn I thought WE all loved Reg h

Let’s remember the good times like beat up rage fist ape

[foggy lodge]

Derbeste played the VR and said he missed most of his scale shots got frozen 7 times got 3 turn slept by spore and dire claw almost all the times and had sucker punch 50/50s every turn on top of that

[shadow wind]

Or beat up stamina arch

[left bobcat]

And beat up stamina boost arch and falling asleep to a Sneasler dire claw

Cmon guys those were the good days

For all of US (except me)

[shadow wind]

Nah I never liked Reg H

[foggy lodge]

I asked on Joseph's chat about what's worse if dire claw into 3 turn sleep or fake out into +2 speed moody boost and everyone picked the Smeargle

A lucky moody boost only gets you so far a lucky Sneasler can and will just kill you

[left bobcat]

On all our souls (except mine) that reg h is the best regulation OAT

[shadow wind]

There's just nothing funny about Reg H

And there's nothing to plan for

No CSR to bring dark types for

[foggy lodge]

I've done better in this wave than in the first wave

But I still hate it here

4 months of reg G rerun into 4 months of reg I into 4 months of reg H rerun

What a shitty year dude

[left bobcat]

I know what will all make us feel better

[shadow wind]

I guess to be fair that's probably something I need to work on instead of just blaming the Reg

[foggy lodge]

CSR Zam mirrors

[left bobcat]

Fries

[cyan smelt]

the team i'm using sucks ass

[left bobcat]

Hmm

[shadow wind]

Like dog this is not fun

[shadow wind]

At least in Reg I you could just, not run CSR Zama

[left bobcat]

Yeah ngl using Hisuian samurott got old real quick

[foggy lodge]

True

I think I'm gonna play P2 balance at some point

For some reason I'm just really good at playing P2

[shadow wind]

Man I'm good

I suck at mons when there isn't a giant red lizard on the field

I just don't care enough

[cyan smelt]

this team sucks i have to tell paul

[shadow wind]

If you close your eyes it's like nothing has changed at all

This is just Incin next to CSR

[red willow]

If you run incin on arch rain is wisp just better than blitz

[shadow wind]

Yes

[red willow]

Gotcha

[twin kindle]

Reg H more like reg Hell

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm sayin

[twin kindle]

The one team I vibe with is psyspam

[shadow wind]

I've never wanted to not play a regulation more

[twin kindle]

And honestly it’s boring just spamming psy

😭 😞 🥀

[rustic mountain]

eh not necessarily, i run blitz incin on rain. plenty of times i either dont care for clicking blitz or i just use it outside rain

its nice to have i dont really ever miss wisp

[twin kindle]

Double miss heat wave trauma

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-pokemon-nasty-plot-gif-1863182498515930244

[shadow wind]

I miss that fish bro

I'm sick of seeing Annihilape in every game

[rustic mountain]

would rather play vs ape, arch, sneasler dengo etc over mirai csr cir zama anyday of the week

yall are genuinely insane

[shadow wind]

I'm the opposite

And if that makes me insane so be it

[red willow]

Idk high power isnt necessarily bad

Imo

But each has its ups and downs lol

[shadow wind]

I can't team build in low power formats which is definitely a me problem but it does mean I don't enjoy these kinds of formats as much as restricted formats

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say its inherently bad but i just find it strange how so many people dislike a format that is generally more forgiving nd varied

[shadow wind]

I started in high power formats so I don't know how to play in these conditions

[shadow wind]

Somehow it being more varied has made the mon picks less varied

I'll take my chances with seeing either a Miraidon or CSR

[red willow]

Im used to just having to be a soulless meta slave so my teams just generally end up being a mashup of the highest use mons lmao

[shadow wind]

I have to see Ape and Dnite on what feels like every single team

And the teams to me feel less creative

[forest arrow]

DUG trio woooooooooooooo

[rustic mountain]

haha i guess in a sense, there are certain archetypes w/ many of the same mons and 1-2 different choices which seem repetitive but it doesnt mean thats wat u have to run, reg h saw such a difference in what won majors all across the format id say its very exaggerated how common ppl think certain teams/mons are especially depending on their own anecdotal ladder experience vs what it is actually overall

[shadow wind]

You don't get the cool Ludicolo Kyogre teams because there's no vessel for Ludicolo to succeed

I honestly feel like less mons have niches

[rustic mountain]

dude ludicolo was ass even w/ kyogre teams wen that was a thing wat r u talkin about

[shadow wind]

Yeah but it happened

[rustic mountain]

dude

[shadow wind]

That's my point

[red willow]

I mean you just have to use peliper/torkoal instead of kyogre/groudon, no?

[shadow wind]

No because Pelipper/Torkoal don't do the heavy lifting that Kyogre does

I don't care if he barely saw the field he was still on the team

Alright let me boot up a mid ladder Reg H Bo3 game

If I don't see a mon with less than a 15% usage rate it might be the regulations fault

[rustic mountain]

ur point revolves around something that can be used w/ a restricted that wasnt used wen said restricted was even allowed. just cuz 1 rando does it and it sucks doesnt mean that format is more varied as a result

[rustic mountain]

if that was the case reg h would have an insane amount of mons ppl just throw on a team, doesnt mean its actually relevant to what is apart of that meta/format

[red willow]

Hey its my team

-AMOONGUSS +RILLA lol

[shadow wind]

I hate seeing the same 2 archetypes

Like actually despise it

[forest arrow]

I run DUG but 3 of my members aren’t there

[shadow wind]

I miss when teams had cool synergy and not just "All 6 of these guys are strong"

[cyan smelt]

i can't play with this team

[shadow wind]

Yes there's rain and sun teams with Bascu and Zard

Or TR teams for that matter

[forest arrow]

There’s also snow and sand

[red willow]

Sunroom psyspam and such

[forest arrow]

P2 Ursa

[shadow wind]

Right 2 mons

[forest arrow]

It has plenty of pieces tho to make everyone’s team different

[shadow wind]

"different"

[rustic mountain]

crazy concept even a mirror match of the same 6 mons each of those mons can be run and played vastly different

[shadow wind]

I don't know, I'm just a Reg H hater and it's probably going to stay like that

[forest arrow]

There’s several archetypes

[shadow wind]

Yeah yeah I know I know

I'm just getting real sick of the diversity that is tera fairy scale haze tailwind protect dnite

"Oh but the evs can be so different"

[rustic mountain]

u admitted ur own shortcomings and bias in relation to reg h, sure its not the greatest format and i wouldnt even necessarily say some of peoples critiques arent warranted however i do think its gotten to a point ppl are quick to point the blame toward lack of diversity or rng rather then actually just play well and focus on improving. the game is the game. if every game is the same team u should be winning 100% of ur games cuz it should become almost 2nd nature to beating the same archetype and mons game in and game out

except ppl are saying they keep losing while also mounting the complaints in relation to it all being the same as 1 of the examples/ if its all the same it should be insanely easy to just roll thru the meta then. tech the shit out of ur team for those 1-2 teams u claim to see every single game. and it wont do anything cuz its not just 1-2 teams and ppl are just hating for the sake of it

[shadow wind]

Spitting facts

[foggy lodge]

The only good thing about reg H is I can use the goat again

https://tenor.com/view/music-porygon-gif-11741000

[shadow wind]

Like I feel like I'm good enough at the game to win regardless of the team but because I can't team build to save my life I'm very inconsistent

Which is where 99% of my issues come from

So it's definitely a self reflection moment

[rustic mountain]

yea i think the reluctance to just yoink other peoples teams is a huge problem in this channel that becomes a detriment to a lot of players and their improvement

[shadow wind]

I'm not used to it

Groudon taught me to not be reliant on others teams

I like knowing exactly what a team does

[red willow]

Idk im pretty new to competetive in general and just using a diverse spread of top mons has been working alrght for me

[cyan smelt]

just lost to misty explosion azumarill next to tera dark receiver passimian

[foggy lodge]

The call for a format most of the time is stealing a japanese team

[cyan smelt]

i hate low ladder and this team will be no good for the gc

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say it has to be exclusive to only using others teams but a lot of ppl especially players who arent that experienced want to just jump straight into teambuilding and only do that and its like, thats just not the way to go about it. the latter doesnt necessarily apply to you but i think there is bad habits being formed to have a complete shut out of utilizing other peoples ideas/teams at all

[shadow wind]

For sure

It's definitely something I can work on

[rustic mountain]

the sad truth is most players arent good teambuilders. that doesnt mean you cant be but players like jamie boyt and esm didnt just start by using insane wacky stuff they understand the game on a deeper level that allows them to see and choose unorthodox spreads/strats and what not to effectively challenge the meta. most ppl teambuilding are not operating from that same level of understanding

[twin kindle]

it’s the worst format ever

They took my child away from me

[rustic mountain]

🤨

[twin kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-explosion-pokemon-gif-7201797584517036439

[rustic mountain]

reg j is right there

[foggy lodge]

But it's reg J

[twin kindle]

Reg J 😞

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I would like to think I'm a decent restricted format builder

[foggy lodge]

I still pick reg H over reg I and reg J every day of the week

[twin kindle]

Nobody serious is playing reg J

[shadow wind]

But man as soon as I lose that centerpiece it's so over

[rustic mountain]

better then playing "the worst format ever" id imagine

[twin kindle]

I’m kidding bro 😭 it’s a format it’s not that serious

Reg H knight ova here

I’ll avenge chi yu by using heat wave Tera fire choice specs charizard…

[rustic mountain]

teams arent as geared towards supporting those 1 or 2 broken pieces so its more spread out with what mons are offering what kind of value in that sense

[shadow wind]

Yeah restricted teambuilding is way easier

[rustic mountain]

idk bout easier but it can be more direct

[twin kindle]

Idk abt easier I just got more used to it cuz I started reg C

It’s kinda all I know 😭

It’s tough when they remove like eveurhrjng I knew

I was also tooo busy with exams last reg H

Last I played clefable was good

[rustic mountain]

its good to not have reliance on the same tools for success

[twin kindle]

Yeah, I’m finding my way

I found indeedee Sneasler and dhengo to work to my playstyle

I trying to pick up the pieces of what I’m used too like tail room

[rustic mountain]

yea exactly it gives players the ability to explore other options and develop their skill as a result

[shadow wind]

I think I was made to play Dozo

Now thinking about it

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

The thing I hate most is coaching sneasler

[twin kindle]

U are an op

[shadow wind]

I just like unaware guys

[foggy lodge]

And I still get destroyed by psyspam mains playing their 2579 game of psyspam

[twin kindle]

Just add Rilla and like gambit incin or dhengo makes it real hard

😭 Annihalape lowkey goes hard in that team though

[twin kindle]

unaware to the extent of ur evil…

[rustic mountain]

be based and use skeledirge

[shadow wind]

I did for a bit

Maybe I go back to him

Although it was a Dozo team

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Maybe I use dirge

[twin kindle]

Simple beam dirge

[shadow wind]

No dozo

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/AndyBakesYT/status/1963048128786956517

SlowHomie (@AndyBakesYT)

Good news: I found the perfect 6th mon for my Reg H team. It gives me a positive matchup into everything

Bad news: it’s this guy

X · Sep 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

[twin kindle]

Remove unaware 😡

[shadow wind]

Nah literally

[foggy lodge]

Use Dozo Conner cmon

Use real mons for the first time

[twin kindle]

Ground is so op we need more fast ground types

[shadow wind]

Dog I'm using Ttar drill, those mons ARE real

[dense latch]

tpci can you let me use it pls i need it 🙏

[rustic mountain]

im mostly messing w/ u conner but dozo is very unbased; if u find it fits ur style and u win a bunch who am i to say what to use?

[dense latch]

gambit arch dengo sneasler etc ahhh

[twin kindle]

In before floorer mane fairy ground 160 special attack

[shadow wind]

I can only use based mons we know this

[foggy lodge]

They didn't even give us Nidoking for a budget Lando in this format

[foggy lodge]

I still think the dexit of this gen is horrible they removed so many good mons

[tiny karma]

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Results (36)

Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Krabby, Kingler, Kingler-Gmax, Tauros, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Steelix, Makuhita, Hariyama, Mawile, Camerupt-Mega, Trapinch, Bagon, Cranidos, Rampardos, Timburr, Gurdurr, Conkeldurr, Darmanitan, Druddigon, Rufflet, Braviary, Braviary-Hisui, Landorus, Toucannon, Cufant, Copperajah, Copperajah-Gmax, Kleavor, Squawkabilly-Yellow, Squawkabilly-White, Cetoddle, Cetitan

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.4

[twin kindle]

Stomping tantrum garchomp 😞

[shadow wind]

Sometimes my multi game conditioning is too good

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

trapinch

[twin kindle]

Can I put horseshoes on my garchomp so he can have an actual move

[shadow wind]

Trapinch is based

[rustic mountain]

nidoking kinda ass, nidoqueen tho

[foggy lodge]

Aren't they almost the same?

[forest arrow]

I think Queen is bulkier

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 31: Nidoqueen

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Rivalry, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/92/87/75/85/76

Total

505

Sableye version 4.28.4

[twin kindle]

Special attack vs physical I think

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 34: Nidoking

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Rivalry, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

81/102/77/85/75/85

Total

505

Sableye version 4.28.4

[twin kindle]

Nvm 😭

[dense latch]

that's some horrid stat distribution

[rustic mountain]

nidoqueen a bit bulkier

[dense latch]

i cant expect much from gen 1 ig

[foggy lodge]

Why does Nidoqueen has 75 SpA

[twin kindle]

Queen of what 😞

[rustic mountain]

gen 1 man

they didnt know wat was goin on

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I expected too much from gen 1 mons

[rustic mountain]

u think about it

[foggy lodge]

Does EP even kill Archaludon

[rustic mountain]

not many gen 1 mons are good even in regional dex formats

[twin kindle]

Tera Gen 1 Incineroar is the best

[foggy lodge]

Dragonite is good

And uhhhhhhh

[rustic mountain]

dnite wasnt good prior to gen 9

[forest arrow]

It wasn’t for a little bit I think

[foggy lodge]

Weezing!

[rustic mountain]

weezing is ass

[foggy lodge]

But it needed the gen 8 buff

[twin kindle]

Charizard 🥺 🥺

[rustic mountain]

before gen 8 it was nothing

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Charizard has been good

Venusaur

[rustic mountain]

its arcanine, gyrados and snorlax (until recently)

[twin kindle]

Zapdos

[rustic mountain]

everything else is too in and out in terms of being good

[foggy lodge]

But tbh like

Almost all gen 1 mons have horrible stats

[forest arrow]

Machamp?

[lofty tartan]

O.o

[foggy lodge]

They are just saved by having specific combinations of abilities and moves most of the time

[forest arrow]

Or was that quite literally for Khanga

[rustic mountain]

certified donkey cheeks

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

[forest arrow]

They gave Primeape a glow up tho so I’m happy

[twin kindle]

Clefairy.

https://tenor.com/view/jigglypuff-watch-yo-tone-clefairy-pokemon-gif-8372198512901685088

[lofty tartan]

Electabuzz.

Are we talking Gen 1 mons that are viable?

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah Buzz and Magmar

But follow me really saved them their

[rustic mountain]

usually most gen 1s have mantained relevance from gimmicks (dnite w/ tera, gmax zard gmax venu, mega zard etc) or just being in very low power formats for guys like arcanine and gyrados

[forest arrow]

Didn’t they get it gen 9?

[twin kindle]

apparently it’s historical

[lofty tartan]

Hm?

[rustic mountain]

yea like they were ass for almost every gen but the current they dont really count

i think sejun had a follow me magmar do well waaaaay back when

[forest arrow]

Some had changes to abilities and moves and that’s what made them a little better for certain formats yeah?

[foggy lodge]

Gen 5

[rustic mountain]

but it was a lone result cuz it was only from 1 game i forget which

[shadow wind]

I love losing a speed tie into getting a double, feels like I got my get back

[foggy lodge]

Imagine waiting 10 years to be viable again

[twin kindle]

Karmatic dozo

[rustic mountain]

kangaskhan and gengar needed megas

[shadow wind]

I ain't using Dozo yet

[forest arrow]

You know who needs one

Flygon

[lofty tartan]

Me

[forest arrow]

You know who got one

[lofty tartan]

I need a Mega

[forest arrow]

Fucking garchomp

[rustic mountain]

||idt its getting one||

[forest arrow]

| I’m afraid so |

[foggy lodge]

What does Flygon have that makes so many people like it

I think it's cool but eh its just cool imo

[forest arrow]

Ahh I messed up but oh well

[rustic mountain]

throw its || on each end

[forest arrow]

lol

Yeah I forgot it’s 2

[twin kindle]

Cool sleek Dragon type

[foggy lodge]

I like Trapinch more

[rustic mountain]

we deserve bug/dragon mega flygon

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/trapinch-pokemon-critter-goober-bug-gif-2345579682391741717

[forest arrow]

We really do, it’d be peak

[forest arrow]

Goated games

[lofty tartan]

I'm middle of the road on Flygon. It's never really stood out to me ever.

[rustic mountain]

colosseum is such a goated game

[twin kindle]

Bugulate mega flygon w

[shadow wind]

I'll feel bad if they give anything this

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

Offensively is really bad too

[rustic mountain]

bug/dragon is just for the culture

[shadow wind]

Hits 4 types for super effective 💀

[foggy lodge]

Gets walled by fairy and steel

[shadow wind]

Yeah...

[rustic mountain]

tbf type combo isnt everything look at ttar

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Tho isn't dark rock really good offensively

[rustic mountain]

really good?

[shadow wind]

At least it hits good types

[foggy lodge]

It hits a good amount of types

What was the logic behind ground being SE into poison btw

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt look at that and say its really good offensively, its def solid but like bug,psychic and ice arent really that crazy to hit for se and neutral is nice but its nothing to ride home about

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

People who lead scarf ape deserve to play against 2016 smeargle

[rustic mountain]

tell us how u really feel

[shadow wind]

It's a 50/50 and they're just lucky

Actually zero skill to a coinflip

Yeah there's counterplay but then they just don't lead it

I guess I'm just describing mons

[rustic mountain]

yea like u just do ur best to cover for as much as u can

sometimes u wont get it right and u just figure it out. ive gotten t1 calls on ape wrong b4 and still won

especially if they gambit its still a 3v3 in most cases

[shadow wind]

Yeah but they lost a sacrifice and I lost my weather setter

Those aren't even value

Maybe I need to step away from weather

[rustic mountain]

sounds like learned u cant just give away ur setter so freely then and u adjust accordingly

[shadow wind]

Is adamant chomp really slower than jolly drill?

[rustic mountain]

prolly idk check sd

[shadow wind]

Oh it's a speed tie

That is not awesome for me

[bold geode]

Like the design personally

[shadow wind]

Goggles gaming

Tree

What's you strategy to leading

Cause this guy just led

Game 1: Volc ape
Gane 2: Volc ape
Game 3: Indeedee Sneasler

Is there any predicting it?

Cause this is not my favourite board state to be in

[bold geode]

Are you the fucker that be using support Volc and A9 with Bulk Up Ape?

[shadow wind]

God no

I'm using Ttar Drill bro

[bold geode]

Ah
I got my ass railed by that then I saw the Volc and Ape LOL

[shadow wind]

Nah don't worry

Also I'm on Bo3

Maybe this is just mons but whenever I win I feel like I way outplayed my opponent

This also might be signs of a bad team

[cyan smelt]

i suck at vgc

[stone trellis]

I genuinely don't know.

[cyan smelt]

paul i'm struggling with this team

[next dust]

I just look at what I would bring if I saw my mons then plan around it but that's always a hit or miss too

[shadow wind]

Holy that was an annoying climb

1400 Bo3 should not have been that bad

We just LOVE brute forcing elo !!

I miss when T100 was easy in Reg I 😔

[rustic mountain]

like in general?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

try to just deduce the most likely leads and what i can lead that covers for the most options

bo3 id say its more wat u think the player themselves will lean on and depending on outcomes wat likely adjustments could come out in tandem with what i mentioned prior

[shadow wind]

Mmm ok

So it's a lot of just, vibes based

[rustic mountain]

id say its more fluid then vibes tho vibes can be a factor i guess but you want informed decisions on common strats or counters in subsequent games they could bring into the fold. its more a balancing act

[shadow wind]

Finally, I'm on a leaderboard that isn't some random OM again

What an awful GXE though

Holy smokes I was throwing

[rustic mountain]

trying to achieve your objective while covering for theirs and those differences obviously depend on team cause ofc the ultimate objective is winning but how the mons/player achieve that are gna change set to set

[shadow wind]

Yeah

I just suck when it's a 50/50 lead

[rustic mountain]

just build a better team

or use a better team

[shadow wind]

Wait why didn't I think of this

[rustic mountain]

yk wat i mean tho, ur actively choosing to opt into 50/50s and then complaining about opting into it

[shadow wind]

I added Corv to the team

[shadow wind]

Yeah but I feel like a lot of Reg H leads can be 50/50s

[rustic mountain]

i disagree

[shadow wind]

Whether someone leads Indeedee Sneasler or if they lead Pelipper Archaludon

At least that's how it feels with sand

Cause Ttar drill smokes Indeedee Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

idt many if any games of mine especially losses came down to 50/50s

[shadow wind]

But then they could just not lead it

[rustic mountain]

maybe a few

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I'm just using 50/50 as a broad term which now thinking about it makes no sense

I'm more saying that there's never going to be a defined lead into anything which I need to work on

[rustic mountain]

u have so much more room for mistakes in reg h

yea thats more a u thing

[shadow wind]

Most of the things I hate about the game are just cause I refuse to improve on something

Common occurence I'd say

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

i think it stems from ur inability atm to make amends w/ a lower power format and what kind of influence that has into ur objective and in turn your leads etc

cuz its not just oh strong guy off rip lets go

[shadow wind]

Yeah definitely, I feel very out of it

Just not really motivated to improve

[bold geode]

Ursaluna and Archaludon would like a word

[rustic mountain]

those mons are nothing compared to the real game breakers

arch also needs a few turns to get going unless ur bullet seeding or beating it up which is pretty easy to counter imo

[shadow wind]

Like Groudon !

[rustic mountain]

ursa kinda depends, its limited by its speed even w/ tw u need such specific positioning and even then its not guaranteed

[shadow wind]

I do miss Groudon 😔

Where's my big red walking excuse for not winning games

[bold geode]

Yeah but also like
I feel some people went too far into the thought of "more diversity" like "oh hey there's no more Urshifu, I can use Mightyena" or some shit when it still gotta deal with Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

well yea but tbf mightyena is never gna b good

[shadow wind]

Give it a mega !

Also I can't wait to stop playing mons in 2 days

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say reg h is insanely diverse but its not as limited as ppl say

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
I don't really dig too much into the whole diversity argument of H like
Especially cuz oh look other formats, 5-6 big culprits
Oh look
Reg H: there's 5-6 big culprits

Idt it's extremely limited but like
You're definitely gonna have a bigger hole somewhere and it's also not as diverse as some people might've thought

[rustic mountain]

especially u look at a format where big 6 existed or something and its like reg h is a field day for diversity in comparison

[bold geode]

Right but also like
Genuinely I hate the fact that like
Basically Ursaluna and Archaludon are bigger examples where like
I hate that some Pokemon in this format feel like they're genuinely strong AF mainly cuz their counters are gone

Also like a lil tangent speaking of H
Can I just say
Instead of the version that won VR recently
Wtf is the hype with DUG?

Kind of meh ass team

[shadow wind]

I still have no clue what that even means

[bold geode]

I don't get how you make a team that's so weak to fucking Incineroar and get away with it

[stone trellis]

They think it's Reg H Jungle Bros, I guess?

[bold geode]

Ursaluna Bloodmoon, Gholdengo and Dragonite core

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[rustic mountain]

"except the fact it just won vr whats the deal w/ this meh ass team?"

[stone trellis]

(Word of advice: It'll never be Jungle Bros)

[bold geode]

Except for the version of it that won VR

[rustic mountain]

dug isnt just 1 team of 6 tho

the fact it existed on the winning team still speaks to its strength

[bold geode]

Yeah idk
Genuinely is kind of a wack core
Also I can't get behind AV Bloodmoon

[rustic mountain]

its a good core dude

[bold geode]

Like I know it's supposed to be a bulkier set
But like everytime I've been around that set, the damage calcs just make me sad

[rustic mountain]

i forget some1 here had swapped to it, they said it was an adjustment but they saw why its valid

[bold geode]

AV BM Ursa is like the standard set for that core

[rustic mountain]

i think its just reimagining the mon, instead of it acting as this insane burst damage it has more survivability to do 2-3 solid attacks instead

if not more i guess depending on tera

[bold geode]

But like
Bro the core is so damn weak to Incineroar and that's not even me glazing the cat
It's actually fucking horrendous and the version that won the VR tour is like the one team I've seen with the core that actually done something about it

Like I went against the version that won an EU tour that had the 3 with like
Sneasler Incin and Amoonguss
And like Incineroar made the game just pitiful

[rustic mountain]

thats why its a team of 6 and not 3

also wouldnt say incin is great into ursa bm

quite the opposite

[near crag]

Btw, do y'all think switching the rilla on the vr winning team to a whims would be viable? That's the team I built when the reg started, but idk if it's a better option

[bold geode]

AV BM Ursa can't one shot Incineroar, which is actually something it needs to do for this core imo unless you're the variant with Mausape
Gholdengo doesn't do good into Incin at all
And Dragonite gets weakened cuz the core runs the Scale Shot set

[rustic mountain]

av bm isnt a guarantee on dug cores and its still doing a nice chunk if incin opts out of tera'ing not everything needs to be a 1shot

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[bold geode]

Brother Ursaluna is literally part of the name

[rustic mountain]

reread wat i said

[bold geode]

Oh I read it wrong

I mean sure not everything needs to be a one shot but considering it's a Pokemon that literally fucks up the entire core, you kind of want to deal with it asap

[rustic mountain]

84+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 244 HP / 68 SpD Incineroar: 156-186 (77.6 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
im very much ok w/ this

[stone trellis]

Calc for AV.

[bold geode]

It makes me mad this isn't a one shot

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Low-key
I've used Assault Vest Incineroar
Kind of gas

[rustic mountain]

we have quite a few av incin believers here

[short quiver]

incinicringe

yes ive been here lurking

[bold geode]

Love him or hate him, he's cracked

[stone trellis]

What are the calcs for 12 Adamant FB into Meowscarada?

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

what is FB

[stone trellis]

Flare Blitz.

[bold geode]

Brother Assault Vest Incineroar just becomes a straight up masochist

[short quiver]

incinicringe

[bold geode]

Absolutely insane wtf it can survive in this format

[rustic mountain]

ive used it b4 im just not a huge av incin fan

[short quiver]

🫠

[bold geode]

This was like
The one time I've been into AV Incin

[short quiver]

yes ill agree incineroar is a good mon but dawg who at TPCI is meatriding it so hard they give it buff after buff???

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[rustic mountain]

yea its more just personal preference on my end

[bold geode]

Yeah usually I'm rocking the same ol Safety Goggles set

[rustic mountain]

u turn over p shot feels

[craggy dagger]

YOU

[bold geode]

I do miss Parting Shot a bit but

[craggy dagger]

go to bed

[bold geode]

WTF YOU DO THAT FOR

BISH I CAN STAY UP IF I WANT

[craggy dagger]

it’s almost 3am
go to bed

[bold geode]

It's 1:30 AM

[rustic mountain]

its a trade off i jus dont like it most times

[craggy dagger]

it’s
what

[bold geode]

1:30 AM

[craggy dagger]

oh you’re only two hours-

[bold geode]

Nova you're an hour ahead LMAO

[short quiver]

imagine living in the past

[craggy dagger]

nvm then carry on

[craggy dagger]

two

[bold geode]

Actually girl it's 3 AM
WHY AREN'T YOU ASLEEP

[short quiver]

💀

uno reverse card

[rustic mountain]

-8ball champions release in jan 2026?

[gentle crag]

champions release in jan 2026?
:8ball: Very doubtful

[craggy dagger]

um…
cuz i just woke up from a bad dream…

[rustic mountain]

-8ball wb february

[gentle crag]

wb february
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[bold geode]

Uh oh
Not good 🫂

[craggy dagger]

lza is october so i feel like it’ll be out in january

[bold geode]

-8ball will mega Kangaskhan still be gas

[gentle crag]

will mega Kangaskhan still be gas
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[bold geode]

Fuck

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[craggy dagger]

plus if official formats are on champions
it would have to be janurary no?

[rustic mountain]

id like that

[stone trellis]

Hoopa-Unbound when it switches into U-turn instead of Aqua Jet:

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[stone trellis]

-8ball will Mega Rayquaza win Worlds?

[craggy dagger]

-8ball will mega victreebel win any regional or IC

[gentle crag]

will mega victreebel win any regional or IC
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[stone trellis]

Stupid fucking clanker.

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

nah its not a guarantee we dont know how long the next format after reg h ends will be

[bold geode]

-8ball will Mega Hawlucha have Huge Power as an ability

[gentle crag]

will Mega Hawlucha have Huge Power as an ability
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[craggy dagger]

-# oops

[woven pelican]

nice one nova

[bold geode]

[woven pelican]

[craggy dagger]

it’s usually a couple months
and following that trend, reg H would end around late november to mid december methinks

-8ball will mega victreebel win any regional or IC

[gentle crag]

will mega victreebel win any regional or IC
:8ball: Don't count on it

[bold geode]

I farted

[craggy dagger]

noooo

[bold geode]

Mega Victreebel getting a mega to still be ass

[craggy dagger]

but then again
i’m just being hopeful so like

[stone trellis]

Grass-Poison has been gas before.

[craggy dagger]

we don’t really know
it would be really nice if it was janurary buttttt
it could be feb/march

praying it’s early march at the latest that it’s releasing

[rustic mountain]

yea but well still have events in december and jan and feb, so theres gta be another format that runs those 2-3 months if not 4 b4 champions first format. cuz even if it releases in jan/feb they arent just going to immediately swap to it. u have to give players a chance to get the game and accumulate resources/mons to compete

[craggy dagger]

true

[stone trellis]

Guess Reg I will have a rerun.

[rustic mountain]

prolly yea

either that or reg f

[craggy dagger]

but it’s really weird to think that lza is coming out in around a month
be really funny if they had like
one month of ranked format on lza

[rustic mountain]

lza has ranked its just not turned based

or u mean like allowing the lza mons in

[craggy dagger]

yeahhh

[rustic mountain]

ahhh yea