competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

i only go milwaukee and toronto tbh

[bold geode]

Wow
You wouldn't go see Nova in Seattle
That's very stinky behavior

[craggy dagger]

i don’t wanna go international

or the US rn

[bold geode]

WOW YOU DON'T WANNA COME SEE ME

(get gaslighted)

[craggy dagger]

and with those seattle dates
i might not even be able to go

[craggy dagger]

you’re down south

unless you’re coming to seattle i don’t think i’ll go

[bold geode]

Weird flex but ok

[stone trellis]

Do you have dementia?

[serene moth]

I am sorry

[stone trellis]

You've said this thrice already, we get it.

[bold geode]

Can we not

[serene moth]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-light-blue-hair-anime-happy-anime-girl-blushing-anime-gif-18983492

[short quiver]

real

[short quiver]

i just noticed your pfp is Neru

[serene moth]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-so-i-feel-so-sigma-fanloid-vocaloid-akita-neru-gif-14841684709394554417

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-miku-neru-triple-baka-gif-12104691429645692355

[serene moth]

Yeahh Hatsune

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-hatsune-39-miku-39-dancing-gif-12287810925198678790

[short quiver]

they really need to give neru a voice bank 😒

btw for anyone wondering yes this is a very competitive conversation

[serene moth]

Anime girls are really competitive

I am using them for conpetitive right now

[chrome knot]

no i wouldn’t spend $1k to see nova

[stone trellis]

I just changed my PFP because me and some friends were trolling on a Miku-related server.

[serene moth]

https://tenor.com/view/no-trolls-no-trolling-no-bullying-dont-be-rude-be-kind-gif-21645087

[stone trellis]

The people there just ate up every bit of the ragebait, I genuinely think they wanted to get angry.

[bold geode]

WOW SHE ISN'T WORTH A GRAND TO YOU /j

Anyways how we doin Emma

[atomic mural]

what does tera fire do for indeedee F in reg h

[stone trellis]

Resists Bug moves.

Probably for Volc, if I had to guess.

[atomic mural]

thank you

[stone trellis]

It also resists quite a few more things.

[chrome knot]

good enough to quit again tbh

just enjoying mkworld alot alot that havent rly wanted to play

[dense latch]

make it rain is scary

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-dan-heng-peace-gif-3733285196809980875

[dense latch]

resists rilla too, no overlap in weaknesses with normal/psychic which is nice

[stone trellis]

What's a good partner for Hisuian Zoroark? Something that can block Sucker Punch, right?

[stone trellis]

And you also resist one of your only two weaknesses.

[dense latch]

probably

that’s why you see it in hard tr

idk how good it is outside of hard tr though

[stone trellis]

I'm genuinely going off the deep end, but I couldn't care less.

It's in my top 5 favorite Pokemon and I want to make it work.

[bold geode]

The Vivillion no do enough?

[foggy lodge]

Steel moves

Its actually a good tera for Indeedee

Steel and fairy

[atomic mural]

yeah that tera makes a lot more sense to me now

[foggy lodge]

Keep playing MKW the rest of this year is a hell

Reg H rerun and december probably a rerun of reg I like wtf is big pikachu

[chrome knot]

its just not fun to play the game

the team is good the game itself is not

i hit 1500 with viv

didnt rly bat an eye lol

[bold geode]

Damn

The game is kind of dead rn tbf even with H

Like yeah you're having fun with other games but like the fact that the game you're coming back to is kind of stale atm doesn't help either

[stone trellis]

Guys, who do I pair with Hisuian Zoroark?

I'm genuinely losing it.

I can't think of a single good partner for it.

[chrome knot]

i mean im going to a regional next month and i still dont rly care lol

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Imma be honest, this shit we're playing in now for SV
It's just to keep us happy til Champions
Who actually like really wants another SV season

[dense latch]

yea i’ve probably had the least amount of fun i’ve had in vgc this past week

[bold geode]

Like sure I love Gen 9 and imma miss it
But I'm kind of ready to move on now

[dense latch]

might be burn out contributing to that but still

[bold geode]

Literally these last GCs I do that will be held in SV
Will just be me bidding farewell to SV and potentially playing with some mons I never used or missed out on using

[lofty tartan]

I'm okay with the GCs not being huge payouts, BUUUT for rural players that can't travel to a ton of events, this is just another non-inclusive move by TCPI while still preaching "everyone can be a champion"

They just want less Worlds seats and more spectator passes sold.

It's just business

[foggy lodge]

75 points for winning a GC is crazy

Like that should atleast be 150 imo

[dull ibex]

im back sadly

wwe 2k is crashing on me so back to weegeecee i go

[next stump]

3 points for top 1024 is diabolical hahaha

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely wild

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[next stump]

Top 8 is when you get decent points, I wonder what ELO you’ll need in a GC for that

Because they will filter by region

so probably like 1700ish?

[lofty tartan]

Like lmao what are you doing with three points

[next stump]

So high 1700s needed for good points according to last year

[chrome knot]

dunno i think its fine

im just inGENERAL not into pokemon rn

[lofty tartan]

Thank goodness I'm not playing the GC for points. I'm playing for practice

It's all about perspective

[next stump]

https://x.com/mamamia10012/status/1961489116106772955?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Dan (@mamamia10012)

Here is what the 2025 EU leaderboard would have looked like under the new 2026 CP amounts (with in region results)

With all the changes I estimate the bar at 790

https://t.co/jFqwzYj6ee
(remember, last year's system was the system and you either qualified or didn't)

X · Aug 29, 2025, 6:00 PM

also a cool post

[foggy lodge]

GC 1 was so stacked wtf

Almost 1800 for top 8

I want to see if I can tryhard this one

I think I have a very strong team so

Let's see what happens

[vocal anvil]

Dude, is there any item that doesn't let the pokemon suffer from fake out?

[atomic mural]

covert cloak

[vocal anvil]

Ahhh

What item looks good on Calyrex shadow?

[dense latch]

sash or life orb

[vocal anvil]

Aaaa thanks

[cyan smelt]

Looks like the only regional scheduled for Oceania is the Auckland one

[craggy dagger]

others might come

[bold geode]

Me and Scotty are in a VC
Get in there

[cyan smelt]

So the tournaments scheduled isn't the final list?

[craggy dagger]

am playing and in vc woth others sorry

[spiral ridge]

hf

[waxen dock]

i can give you 5 reasons why the new gc is bad

first the points you can get is very low

75 is nothing

2nd because of the kicker there could be that somewhere only 1 person get points in a very small rating zone like mesa

3rd in small rating zones like mesa there is small skill range compared to big rating zones so its harder to get cp

4th you are being comapred to players within your region for points and in worlds and ic you play against people around the world

5th you probably wouldnt be able to know your place in your rating zone meaning for example in the previous gc i needed the amount of points that you get from top 64 and i know im in a place that if i dont battle i get to top 64 but if i do battle i lose my place, but in the new gc you dont know if the other people in your rating zone are above you or below you which if you get that wrong you could probably lose a lot of cp or not get vp at all

[solemn flicker]

Anyone know the ideal ivs for a Rayquaza to build a Rayquaza/Chien Pao team? I got wrecked by one yesterday and I know their Chien Pao was on 252 Atk and 252 Speed

[stone trellis]

Rayquaza learns E-Speed, gang.

Oh, I'm dumb.

Did their Chien-Pao take Life Orb recoil?

[solemn flicker]

Yea I am aware. But In specific I mean like ideal ivs Hp, Attack and The others.

[solemn flicker]

Nah they had Sash

[stone trellis]

What about the Rayquaza?

[solar fiber]

252 hp 252 atk 4 defense here

[stone trellis]

Ideally, the best IVs are all 31.

[solar fiber]

Investing in speed doesn't matter to me much when I'm just gonna click e speed

[solemn flicker]

They had Clear Amulet I think

[solar fiber]

Make sure you have something to set off psychic terrain though

[stone trellis]

It would be better if raised Pokemon just ignored that property.

[solemn flicker]

Oh yea I meant Evs lol my bad but yea 31 on everything except Sp-Atk right?

[stone trellis]

Special Attack doesn't matter, so it can be 31 or it can be 0.

There's no specially-oriented Foul Play yet, so you're good.

[solar fiber]

Or keep it 31 if you wanna ever get crazy and run Draco Meteor

[heady onyx]

better to max out your special attack

[solar fiber]

Realistically max sp atk has no downsides

[solemn flicker]

Yea I was thinking my own Miraidon or Rilla to reset a terrain to another but Miraidon, Ray and Pao make it weak to fairies and then Rilla would be my 3rd physical attacker so Im trying to see if I just get like Ice Spinner on Pao or use my second restricted pick for Tera Terapagos

Max ivs all around it is then.

[solar fiber]

Terapagos is a bit tough for me with Ray cause then you have to commit your Tera to Terapagos

[stone trellis]

You're not using Mega Ray, you cannot afford to run mixed sets without Sash.

[heady onyx]

History has proven otherwise

[solemn flicker]

I was thinking:
Clefairy-Support with Eviolite
Ray-Clear Amu Physical Atk
Pao-Sash Phys Atk
Amoonguss-Support/Disruptive with either Mental Herb or Black Sludge or sitrus
and Tornadus SpAtk Tailwind with some bulk and Covert Cloak

[solar fiber]

Solid

[heady onyx]

Mixed sets have been used competitively with many different items

Sash is more about all offense on a glass cannon

[stone trellis]

Sounds solid.

[solar fiber]

Chien Pao style

[stone trellis]

I think CSR could be the final one.

[solar fiber]

Or Miraidon for the terrain

[heady onyx]

Miraidon fits better on such team

CSR you'd run something else

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

But then you have two Dragon weaknesses, three Ice weaknesses and three Fairy weaknesses.

[heady onyx]

you dont really think about teambuilding this way

[solar fiber]

Tera Normal + bulk from 252 HP can live some stuff

[solemn flicker]

Yea Miraidon I was thinking as well with a defensive tera like fairy

[heady onyx]

weaknesses only means you must pick your 4 mons in order to face the enemy

[solar fiber]

And Miraidon fairy is never not strong

[stone trellis]

So Specs?

[heady onyx]

there isn't a single team with no weaknesses

[solemn flicker]

Yea maybe so.

[stone trellis]

That's objectively the strongest set in terms of damage output, so it's probably the best for the team.

[solemn flicker]

Yea cuz I need to balance the team with some special attackers

[solar fiber]

Running encore on min speed clefairy is also fun cause it reverses trick room

[solemn flicker]

Problem is Trick Room teams. It gets a little tricky there! 😂 (Pun intended)

[heady onyx]

Flutter Mane

[solar fiber]

Or after you to mess with trick room dependant teams

[heady onyx]

is the end all solution to trick room bad matchup

on offense or balance

[stone trellis]

Taunt/Encore:

[solemn flicker]

Yea well the good thing is Taunt Torn, Amoonguss still good under TR and then Encore Clef. So I guess its manageable right?

[heady onyx]

they will run Dark Tera or Mental Herb and you're done for

meanwhile you run something that can disrupt the Trick Room when they are setting it up

you ruin their tempo

[solemn flicker]

I could even go a slower more bulkier Mirai that underspeeds the mirror in trick room scenarios since I will run specs maybe and also i get the offensive boost off the terrain and the item.

[stone trellis]

So you'll have to go Modest and lose a bit of Speed.

[solemn flicker]

I think thats fine if I find the right speed evs because I do have torn with Tailwind in case no TR on their side too huh?

[stone trellis]

There aren't any super important Speed tiers past 307, so that's a little tricky.

[solemn flicker]

Damn yall cooking! I appreciate yall with the different looks, ideas and suggestions. Ty! @stone trellis @heady onyx @solar fiber

[gentle crag]

lugiahunter7 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607, wb.iii, barbossavgc

[stone trellis]

You should also EV Rayquaza to at least hit 154 or 155 Speed.

154 to outspeed the 307s in Tailwind and 155 to speed creep other Pokemon in the 154 club.

[solemn flicker]

Good point! Much appreciated @stone trellis

So the team is fine as I stated?

Ima start the ev process then.

[stone trellis]

As for Amoonguss, I think Rocky Helmet and Mental Herb are way better than Sitrus.

[solemn flicker]

Pao
Ray
Clef
Amoon
Mirai
Torn

[solar fiber]

Sounds solid

[stone trellis]

Clefairy, not Clefable, right?

[solar fiber]

Oh clefairy for sure

[solemn flicker]

Hell yea! I get to flex the shiny Pao, Event shiny Guss and Ray

[solar fiber]

Friend Guard saves lives

[solemn flicker]

Nah Im using Cleffa 😏

[stone trellis]

Oh shit, you're right.

[solar fiber]

Especially if you end up giving Ray that 252 hp

[solemn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cleffa-pokemon-gen-2-gen-ii-baby-pokemon-gif-5141958749256322524

Jk jk

[solar fiber]

Tryna shiny hunt my Ray team now

[stone trellis]

If he does, then he can't exactly afford to do a lot of damage.

[solemn flicker]

Join the club!

[solar fiber]

Well I mean if he goes without the speed EVs but it's up to what fits best with the team for sure

252 hp 252 atk 4 def + friend guard

[stone trellis]

Helping Hand EQ on a crit (from max Attack Rayquaza) did 40% to Tera Fire Icy. That thing is NOT OHKOing without a lot of Attack.

[solar fiber]

Yeah attack has to be maxed out for Ray to work

[stone trellis]

4 points in Speed could be better.

[solar fiber]

Also true

[solemn flicker]

Remember yall:

[stone trellis]

I still remember laughing at that shit for half an hour.

[heady onyx]

Rocky Helmet is the item that allows Amoonguss to make progress on the board

Mental Herb is really when you want a specific context to never happen

[stone trellis]

No one cares, the correct pronunciation in Greek is still "Ray-kwa-zuh".

[heady onyx]

-kway not -kwa

it's not raycasa

it's rayquaza

[solemn flicker]

I did have some scenarios where a speedier taunt user taunted my amoonguss and it saved me and I won the game cuz I was able to spore their Kyogre and my Terapagos cleaned up

So Mental Herb has its moments but yea Rocky Helmet does seem better in this current format

[heady onyx]

dont position your amoonguss into a fast taunter unless you want to rage powder

[solemn flicker]

Yea true

[heady onyx]

have it soak hits and be a pivot

that's what makes amoonguss so good, you pivot in and out, use regenerator

if you can stall the game to a spot where you can fire risk free Spore

goodness gracious

[solemn flicker]

Yea I want to use it more to soak up damage cuz lets say im tera normal ray and chien pao vs a fighter like urshifu or something else, I can catch that move on a resisted damage onto Amoon

[stone trellis]

It's also one of the four mons who can afford to EV to live super effective Glacial Lance.

[solemn flicker]

Tera Water Amoon right?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it might be the call.

[solemn flicker]

Bet!

Fuck! Now Im excited to run this team forreals

[stone trellis]

The others are Brute Bonnet, Miraidon and Raging Bolt.

And yeah, Mirai needs to run 252 HP / 20 Def to live 36 Adamant, but who cares?

[solemn flicker]

Cool, Ima start the team build process and keep yall posted how it goes.

[heady onyx]

plenty Mons can be EV to live super effective Glacial Lance

[stone trellis]

Make it on Showdown and play a few games first to see if you actually want to run these guys or make any changes.

[stone trellis]

Name ones I missed.

[solemn flicker]

True true!

[stone trellis]

Koraidon and Groudon live it.

[heady onyx]

?!?! there are like 30+ in the dex

most restricted with ice weakness you can EV to live it

[stone trellis]

You can, yes, but should you?

[heady onyx]

it's just a 75 benchmark

[solemn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-chien-pao-roar-pokemon-gif-15720248027245064223

[heady onyx]

you said it's one of the four mons

which is purely incorrect

EVing for specific scenario in CTS is bad anyway

unless it's only considering your team

[stone trellis]

"Who can afford to EV in order to live super effective Glacial Lance"

[heady onyx]

yeah many Mons as I said

[stone trellis]

Name them.

[heady onyx]

if that's your main goal, you'll put these EVs

wdym name them ?!?! are you aware that restricted with ice weakness have omega base stats ?!?!

legit run a calc and back your own statements

cause it's not true

Lugia Ho-Oh Zekrom

easily live with few EVs spent in that regard

[stone trellis]

Ho-oh is neutral.

And yeah, no shit.

Koraidon lives it too.

[heady onyx]

so yeah, much more then 4 Mons

just be careful with statements like this

cause it's just not true

[stone trellis]

If they live it anyway, you're not EVing them for that scenario.

[heady onyx]

that's not the point

you stated something that wasn't true

[stone trellis]

If my natural bulk allows me to live an attack, I just don't EV for that attack.

So no, my statement still makes sense.

There are a few mons who cannot survive that attack if it's super effective without proper EVs.

[heady onyx]

just no, but let's move on. it's pointless to discuss something with someone that is convinced they're right when they're wrong

[stone trellis]

The other ones don't care, so I didn't count them.

[heady onyx]

like talking with a brick wall

[stone trellis]

Go on, move along.

Say what you wanted to say.

[heady onyx]

no no, we both move on

[stone trellis]

I have.

[chilly anvil]

Which Necrozma form is better in VGC?

[cyan smelt]

Dusk mane

[chilly anvil]

Why is Dawn Wings way more used in VGC?

[waxen dock]

no dawn wings is better

[cyan smelt]

Oops sorry I always get them confused

[chilly anvil]

I remember I heard many good things about Dusk Mane but maybe it’s in singles

[cyan smelt]

Is that guy who used gloom and dewgong still playing

[short quiver]

tbh solgaleo in general is kinda trash from what ive heard

[chilly anvil]

Damn so I guess Dawn Wings it is

[short quiver]

its okay i cant use black kyurem for the same reason

cuz zekrom is trash 😔

[next stump]

good morning everyone

[next stump]

Anecdotal but maybe interesting/helpful to anyone planning a 2026 season:

Last season I ended with 1000 points. With the new point totals for Regionals, ICs, and GCs, my point total in 2026 (with the exact same results) would have been as follows -

Regionals

Top 128 -> 80 in 2025, 80 in 2026 (no change)

Top 64 -> 100 in 2025, 120 in 2026 (+20)

2nd place -> 325 in 2025, 325 in 2026 (no change)

Internationals

Top 128 -> 120 in 2025, 140 in 2026 (+20)

GCs

Top 128 -> 65 in 2025, 7 in 2026 (-58)

Top 256 -> 50 in 2025, 5 in 2026 (-45)

2x Top 512 -> 35 in 2025 (only one counted but now the BFL is 4 instead of 3), 4 in 2026 (-27 when accounting for increased BFL)

Conclusions

So all in all, my 1000 points last year would equal 910 points in this season. In reality, it would be slightly higher because I am too lazy to filter out other regions for my GC results. So maybe my Top 128 is really a Top 32 or 64, which would mean somewhere close to 930-950 points overall after doing that. It seems like IRL tournaments are now going to be the VAST majority of an invite, just 2% of my point total in 2026 will come from GCs with equivalent results.

[cyan smelt]

ok turns out there is a brisbane regional on october 31st, that's not far away

hopefully there's a perth and melbourne one

[waxen dock]

so the gc were so nerfed

[next stump]

Absolutely turbo nerfed

[waxen dock]

i written up 5 reasons why new gc is worse than old gc

[next stump]

Last season it was roughly 15% of my point total, next season will probably be about 3-5%

[waxen dock]

here

even if the 5th reason wont be true the other 4 still apllay

[chrome knot]

ok but worlds assumes you are already a top player in your region lol

ICs are different bc they reward extremely highly so if ur going for top x travel stipends itll always be worth it

[next stump]

Wait, are you from MESA region? If you are, there are only 5 seniors that even earned points last year

[cyan smelt]

what about oceania, the number must be even lower than that

oh wait, i mean qualified for worlds nvm

[waxen dock]

yes,but now it will be harder because of the kicker

[next stump]

But your competition is 5 other people

[waxen dock]

so only 1 get cp every gc

also i know that at least 1 isnt in seniors

so i would guess 6 players every gc

but with the new kicker it means that only 1 out of the 6 people get cp

[next stump]

The top 5 seniors in the MESA region get a worlds invite

if you cannot get top 5 out of 6, I'm sorry but you don't deserve to attend worlds

[waxen dock]

ik but there could be one that is very good and he will win every gc since the arent a lot of players

and some people can still earn cp from regionals and i dont so they nerfed it

even if it isnt the situation they need to try to have solution to this

and my solution is to return to the old gc

if the gc was like the old gc i would probably qualify

[next stump]

Are there ANY local tournaments that ever get hosted in your country

If you can have literally one finish anywhere from anything, you'll qualify for worlds

Also it's worth noting that none of these seniors from MESA actually went to Worlds, so if you do earn an invite and go you'll be representing your region yourself which is really cool

[stone trellis]

I won even with a double miss and a really stupid play.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2431661082

[cyan smelt]

how is that team going anyway

[next stump]

VG seniors had 35 players who earned points in Oceania, Top 10 earned an invite to Worlds which was 462 points

[cyan smelt]

it's hard to qualify for worlds if you're from oceania, there's not many tournaments

[next stump]

Yeah :/ small invite pool and low amount of tournaments

[stone trellis]

Mine?

[cyan smelt]

guess it's not as popular here

yeah yours

[stone trellis]

I just won another game with it.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2431663775-g6e5mxcof6bempobshl03k9kmv3p0egpw

I think Kingambit's another tool that really helps my MU with Arch rain + Basculegion.

Specifically the Choice Scarf Basc variant.

[stone trellis]

Had I targeted Armarouge instead, this whole strat would've fallen apart even quicker.

[cyan smelt]

frisk is a really handy ability because you can tell what people are trying to do

[stone trellis]

It's perfect for CTS.

[cyan smelt]

i could tell instantly though without frisk that it was wp weak armour armarouge

[stone trellis]

I really believe this team can do well in the hands of a player who's better than me.

[cyan smelt]

how do you make such good teams

[stone trellis]

I talk to good players.

And I spend fifty hours on the damage calculator to check for certain interactions.

[cyan smelt]

i don't know anyone else in the community, it's kinda hard for me to understand vgc

[stone trellis]

Hence why I have made Typhlosion Modest.

[cyan smelt]

more damage

[stone trellis]

It guarantees an OHKO into Dragapult with Shadow Ball.

And I don't even need to go max Speed, I just need to be faster than the fastest possible Basculegion.

So turn 1, it's actually the fastest mon on the field, barring Jumpluff in sun and Sneasler with Indeedee next to it.

[stone trellis]

You can hit me up whenever you need help with something.

I just need nicknames for my team now.

I'm calling Typhlosion Little Boy and Torkoal will be Fat Man.

Whimsicott is Oppenheimer.

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Tera Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Pelipper in Sun: 153-181 (112.5 - 133%) -- guaranteed OHKO (resisted hit btw)

[cyan smelt]

I need a lot of help building a team for reg h, I want to participate in the gc and go to the Brisbane regional

[stone trellis]

What team style are you most interested in using?

[cyan smelt]

Sand is a lot of fun, I enjoy using ttar

Saw an interesting team while I was watching games on showdown with garchomp ttar kilowattrel and salamence

[stone trellis]

I don't play sand, sadly.

[stone trellis]

Tera Steel on Salamence?

Hear me out.

[cyan smelt]

I have no idea what tera it was because they brought amoonguss and kilowattrel and just air slashed the chesnaught

[stone trellis]

Covert Cloak, Tera Steel with Dual Wingbeat, Dragon Claw, Tailwind and Protect.

[cyan smelt]

Covert cloak was on the kilowattrel in that team

[stone trellis]

Dual Wingbeat OHKOs Sneasler.

[cyan smelt]

Kilowattrel is faster

[stone trellis]

But it procs Sash.

[cyan smelt]

And you can discharge next to garchomp

[stone trellis]

The item is up to you, but those moves work really well.

[cyan smelt]

I'm just really interested in kilowattrel this reg idk why

[stone trellis]

I used CC because every single Sneasler player always went for Fake Out and it never worked.

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/e66059fdfd03d1a6

[stone trellis]

I get it, but it's an Electric type. The only Electric-type thing that's relevant is Thunder Wave and Electro Shot.

[next stump]

check this team out kalos

got 12th last year at LAIC

[stone trellis]

Corv for the Intimidate blocking?

[chrome knot]

it doesn’t block it

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/6dd2f170d824bc6d

alternatively this one is a little more standard

[chrome knot]

just rebounds it off itself lol

[stone trellis]

How does Mirror Armor interact with Parting Shot?

[cyan smelt]

The Colin heier one looks cool ty dillon

I'll try it out

[stone trellis]

Hopefully not the same way Magic Bounce interacts with it.

[next stump]

you're welcome 😄

[chrome knot]

stats dont drop, parting shot like normal

like you’ll get the -1-1 on incin but its leaving so

no stats are being changed on the turn

magic bounce reuses status moves back at the user, mirror armour just reflects stat changes back to the user

[stone trellis]

Aight.

Chomp living Tera Steel MIR was NOT expected.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2431676578-qv82lkdm7r6csxrkwwf2dapkbx4xocwpw

What item was Dengo even using?

[dense latch]

leftovers or sitrus ig

[stone trellis]

Definitely not Sitrus.

[dense latch]

o yea

[stone trellis]

But it also seemed to be unusually bulky.

[dense latch]

then prob modest lefties

[stone trellis]

252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Stomping Tantrum vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Tera Steel Gholdengo: 166-198 (85.5 - 102%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
That's the least it needs to have to make that 86% make sense.

[stone trellis]

What about Garchomp, Dnite and Kingambit?

[next stump]

I hate the way players decide to stream VGC tournaments from their POV

If you're going to stream, just put on a multi minute delay and stop covering the screen every single turn

It's probably just a me thing but it makes me really not want to watch the stream when 50%+ of it is a zoom in on the person's face

Plus they can't talk about their moves without a delay

[bold geode]

THANK YOU

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dense latch]

delay >>>>>>>> covering moves all the time

[dense latch]

def not a you thing i think it makes the experience way less enjoyable for both parties

[next stump]

I love watching this VR tournament

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[bold geode]

Bro is so fucking dead

[dense latch]

VR stands for Vast Rooms now keep up

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey's euic video releases in two hours let's go

[dense latch]

that's a big room

some are doing delay like fedecampo some just don't care i think

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-glaze-satisfying-gif-13180530

[foggy lodge]

One can't even like a content creator nowadays fuck you

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/glaze-gif-8311813170669205912

[stone trellis]

This server is filled with glazers, isn't it?

[serene moth]

Everything reminds me of her

[solid frigate]

I kinda wish they did it like in Japan

Like with odds of what plays they do and stuff

[wanton berry]

I built a Hyper Offensive Rain team with Archaludon, Pelipper, Basculegion, Incineroar, Amoonguss, and Maushold, but now thinking Maushold isn’t good with this team, would life orb Gholdengo work better?

[solid frigate]

That’s like

A standard rain team

Maushold is kinda a key piece to make Archaludon a Raid Boss

If anything you can just run Ape for Basc to also use Mausape-

[real prairie]

only replacements for Maushold are other mons that can multihit into Arch for Stamina set up

beat up, bullet seed, water shuriken etc

[solid frigate]

Which is pretty rare unless you wanna play Greninja or Rilaboom

[real prairie]

beat up Whims is common enough

[solid frigate]

Maus has beat up lmao

[real prairie]

yeah but pop bomb is better

[solid frigate]

Yeah but with Peli is kinda not really

Anyways back to watch Choctopus

[wanton berry]

Ok Ty

[shell meadow]

I'm about to catch the treasure of ruin pokemons.
Do either of them want to run 0 speed or 0 attack for competitive battling?

[waxen dock]

how much do you care about vgc?

[shell meadow]

Not much tbh, but I hate feeling that I have suboptimal pokemon.

[atomic mural]

chi yu and wo chien are probably the only ones that want 0 attack iv

[shell meadow]

Okay. Thanks.

[gentle crag]

jonissolis has given 1 Gen Rep to cornyplays

[waxen dock]

i think 0 attack isnt that important 0 speed can depend on the mon

[forest arrow]

If you don’t know you can get Wo Chien and Chien Pao shiny from mystery gift

[stone trellis]

And Ting-Lu could appreciate 0 Speed.

[waxen dock]

yes 0 speed ting lu

[shell meadow]

Alright, thank you all.

[waxen dock]

but i think they have 20 attack and 20 speed

[forest arrow]

Yeah they’re IV locked

Just wouldn’t want to miss that

[shell meadow]

Yeah, I was aware of them being available now, but thanks anyway.

[dense latch]

just registered for my first league cup :)) hyped to play in person events for the first time

[marble compass]

https://pokepast.es/f2b6ee9489b59bc2 just need some advice on this and which/if I should change any mons/sets etc

[dense latch]

rilla is a huge inconvenience for your team

you're reducing the damage you're doing with eq and it's taking up the av for your ttar

protect is not needed on incin, knock off is way more valuable

[red willow]

Whats the best terra type for bm ursa

[dense latch]

depends on the set

life orb probably normal, av probably ghost or water

[red willow]

Im on lorb so normal it is

Feels kinda weird having 3 normal terras tho lol

Dnite ursa and Dhengo

[dense latch]

what's the team

[red willow]

Sneasler Incin Rilla Gholdengo Dnite BM Ursa

[dense latch]

do you have a paste

bc i don't think tera normal dengo is that good

[red willow]

Not worth the anti ghost cheese?

[dense latch]

water is a better defensive tera

[red willow]

Right on

[dense latch]

if you go normal against other dengos they're just gonna make it rain

[red willow]

Yeah Normal is on dnite for espeed cheese

Someone convinced me to try stellar sneasler

[dense latch]

yea stellar sneasler is great

i like tera normal on dnite even on scale shot sets

[red willow]

Yeah Im on shot too

Had to drop protect on dnite to make room for haze tho

[dense latch]

i'd honestly drop espeed

[bold geode]

Lot of Dnite just run Scale Shot as an attack

[dense latch]

in DUG you can afford to run no coverage

[bold geode]

Depending on your team
Not a bad idea

[dense latch]

because blursa and dengo cover what dnite can't hit

protect is way more important than coverage

[red willow]

See above for team monke

Any advice welcome lol first real go at reg h

[bold geode]

I'd honestly like to not scroll tbh

[dense latch]

this is the case for most successful dnite ursa dengo teams

send the paste

there's more info on a team than just the six mons

[red willow]

Havent made one yet just finished my ev teaining lol

Training*

[bold geode]

Then how did you come to the conclusion on how to train your shit

[red willow]

Combination of pikalytics popular spreads from reg h and a few of my own wonky calcs lol

[bold geode]

Mom come pick me up I'm scared

Well
It'd be nice to have a paste

[red willow]

I got ya Ill make one up right quick

[red willow]

https://pokepast.es/70457c20bf370646

sneasler is jolly dk why it went back

My initial thoughts are drop some speed on dnite for some bulk but idk havent played much reg h like I said lol

[stone trellis]

Why Tera Dragon on Dnite?

[red willow]

its normal lol

[stone trellis]

I'm not stupid.

[red willow]

yes

I posted the wrong information

it is normal

[stone trellis]

Me when I post misinformation on the internet:

[red willow]

I mean

[dense latch]

why is your dengo specs protect nasty plot

[red willow]

yeah I need a better item for him

lorb is hogged by ursa

[stone trellis]

Is this your team for the Global Challenge?

[red willow]

yep

[stone trellis]

Items that boost your damage...

[red willow]

metal coat mb?

[stone trellis]

Fucking Metal Coat? I genuinely don't know.

Yeah.

[red willow]

right on Ill try it out and give it a few spins

[stone trellis]

It powers up Make It Rain without any real drawbacks.

[foggy lodge]

I just discovered roar goes through protect

In my defense I've seen roar on the opposing team like 10 times since I started playing

[dense latch]

yea the only change i'd make to this is dropping espeed for protect

wait wrong ping sorry paul

[dense latch]

protect is very important on scale shot dnite and you have the coverage in your other pieces

rest is fine

[primal saddle]

hi is anyone here well experienced with reg h?!?

[stone trellis]

Are you looking for help to build a team for the Global Challenge?

[solid frigate]

sneak peek

[primal saddle]

im looking for feedback on a fun team i made, to see if its working

its 1400 on showdown right now

[dense latch]

sure, what's the team

[stone trellis]

How do you register for the GC, by the way?

You need to have a full team ready first, right?

[next stump]

yes you do

[stone trellis]

Fuck, I really need that Typhlosion as soon as possible then.

Why did I buy a game I'd actually enjoy instead of one that would help me competitively?

[red willow]

Cant you get all the starters postgame in legends arc?

[stone trellis]

I don't have Legends: Arceus, that's the fucking point.

I bought Kirby and the Forgotten Land because I wanted to play a game I'd actually enjoy.

[red willow]

I was asking cause if you can get them postgame I might be able to get you one? I do have PLA

[stone trellis]

Ideally, you could catch a 0 Attack IV Cyndaquil in S/V, transfer it into PLA and evolve it.

[red willow]

Right on I might be able to help you out after I get off work

[stone trellis]

Thank you so much, brother.

[red willow]

No probs! Appreciate yall for giving me advice on my first go at this lol

[cyan smelt]

I need to try your team out on showdown Paul, it looks really good

[stone trellis]

My teams have a tendency to look way better than they actually are, but go ahead.

[mint void]

How much more SV will we have in the competitive cycle?

[dense latch]

february-march 2026 most likely

[mint void]

More Regionals and stuff?

Stupid question but when was/is Worlds again lol

[dense latch]

mid august every year

so like 2 weeks ago '

[mint void]

Who won

[nocturne holly]

What’s your team

[mint void]

Whats the Regulation? Still I?

[dense latch]

yes for like 2 days

cart is getting reg j and irl tours get reg h back

[dense latch]

giovanni cischke

[next stump]

scarlet/violet will 100% be retired by July 2026, probably before then since they shouldn't run worlds as the first tournament ever on it

[dense latch]

we might get champions before euic

[next stump]

that would be the dream

I'm surprised TBH that we don't have a release date given they're doing a lot of teasing that it is early 2026

[dense latch]

that's very surprising to me too honestly

[mint void]

:|

So no H on cart?

[short quiver]

do you guys think i could use kyurem white+zama in the snow 😃

if not could you dumbify why not im trying to up my comp knowledge

[dense latch]

kyurem white relies on snow to do some damage

if you're bringing both your restricteds and your snow setter that's 3 out of your 4 mons

[short quiver]

if it helps at all it has Assault Vest and tera fire

and is calced to survive nearly anything they can hit me with

[short quiver]

and is that particularly a problem?

[dense latch]

you have 0 flexibility basically

[short quiver]

a9 does a lot for me

[dense latch]

why would you use kyurem white over something like shadow rider

that does the same damage without relying on a mediocre pokemon every game

[short quiver]

cuz kyurem is cooler. and who on earth would even expect someone to use kyurem at all

[short quiver]

at least im not even trying kyurem white 😃

*black

[dense latch]

ass vs ass

[short quiver]

white is the one i want to use, zekrom is even worse cuz theres no good physical electric attack for it

[next stump]

are you playing Reg I or Reg J

[short quiver]

J

[next stump]

How do you deal with something like Magearna/CIR

that seems like a rough matchup

[short quiver]

tera fire fusion flare kyurem white

and if they tera to say, fire, i have earth power

[next stump]

have you played any games with the team yet

[short quiver]

not with zamazenta but yes

im using kyurem white+miraidon rn

[next stump]

i don't think many of us here have experience with kyurem so it's gonna be hard to definitively say it's bad based off experience

[short quiver]

its incredible

my only bad match up so far has been gravity darkrai 🫠

wow kyurem black does have a good physical attack, fusion bolt is 100/100

[tiny karma]

Move: Fusion Bolt

Power doubles if the last move used by any Pokemon this turn was Fusion Flare.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

that's not much for a restricted

i mean yea it's the same as edrift but that's not taking into account all the boosts miraidon gets + the secondary effect

[short quiver]

it becomes 200 if i use fusion flare with it but that requires me to use both

both kyurem forms would count as kyurem right? idk how the fusion thing works for the species rule

[dense latch]

yes

so you'd have to use kyurem and reshiram/zekrom to make that work

[short quiver]

i could black kyurem +base reshiram maybe

if they try to change my snow to sun ahem koraidon, i can punish them for it with sun boosted stab fusion flare

which is also fusion bolt boosted cuz reshiram/zekrom is base 90 and black/white kyurem is base 95

id have to find tera types though 🫠

and a kyurem black coverage move

black kyurem doesnt have a physical ice move besides avalanche and ice fang

thats…. unfortunate

freeze shock is not worth using for any reason

a shame glaciate doesnt interact with fusion flare and fusion bolt. glaciate is pretty good

[tiny karma]

Move: Glaciate

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Ice

Category

Special

Power

65

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

its icy wind but better

[foggy lodge]

Zhe Zhang is 6-1 at the VR with Mamoswine I knew I wasn't crazy🔥

Y'all prepare for Mamoswine to take over reg H ||I'm coping||

[cedar otter]

Thoughts on competitive Talonflame and what’s the best usage ?

[dense latch]

it's good in regulation h doubles as a tailwind setter

[short quiver]

its a good tailwind setter

[dense latch]

doesn't really see usage anywhere else

[short quiver]

hey do you think i could cook with kyurem white, zamazenta, torn, and iron valiant (with coaching)

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/willsmith-fresh-prince-gif-5207996

[short quiver]

may i ask you for a dumbified explanation

[next stump]

on the surface (and I’ve never played Reg J just Reg I) I don’t really see what that team does into most common teams. Like it can totally be fun to use and maybe cheese some wins in best of 1 to a certain point but for me that’s not enough

[short quiver]

its only for best of one its for in game ladder

[next stump]

And that’s totally fine, maybe it works out for you but I don’t see the vision/synergy between Kyurem and Zama

[short quiver]

kyurem bulky special sweeper, zama bulky physicals sweeper, iron valiant as physical damage and to Coaching zama for a defense boost

and torn to set snow for kyurem and tailwind for my team

[short quiver]

also increases behemoth bash damage cuz of the attack boost as well

and then i want a mon i can like psych up my coaching boosts onto

[dense latch]

synergy goes beyond just having a special attacker and a physical attacker

[next stump]

If it’s working for you, then keep using it. I just think on the surface it seems like a lot of set up/effort to pilot the team and do anything useful with it

It’s a hard piece of advice to give because it’s not anything concrete but I’ve noticed with a lot of teams I’ve tried to build before, I end up focusing way too much on their theoretical potential rather than what’s actually realistic in a battle

[dense latch]

they don't really cover each other's weaknesses all too well nor do they synergize all to well offensively either

[short quiver]

i haven’t tried it yet i need a full team first

[next stump]

Like setting up Snowscape, Tailwind, Coaching, Psych Up, etc. is SO difficult to do against anyone who is good and using a decent team

Plus you’ve got Kyurem with AV who is going to struggle to utilize those turns of tailwind/snow since it doesn’t deal a ton of damage

[short quiver]

170 base special attack is quite a lot

[dense latch]

you're kinda investing a lot of tools and turns for very middling returns

[next stump]

run the damage calcs, I don’t think Kyurem can OHKO a lot of pokemon in the format

[dense latch]

but it doesn't have any inherent boosts to said attack to have it outdamage things like shadow rider or miraidon

csr has grim neigh and miraidon has hadron engine + eterrain + can afford to run specs

[next stump]

You’d have to commit tera at the bare minimum to start dealing damage with your coverage move

[short quiver]

which are fusion flare and earth power

[next stump]

252+ SpA Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 106-126 (51.2 - 60.8%) -- 92.58% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Even with Tera, you’re not picking up that KO and they can now High Horsepower you

Is it the worst pokemon ever? No, but I’m basically just saying you’re putting in more effort than otherwise needed for the same end result of winning. If that’s fun for you, then enjoy it! I spent months playing some stupid AV Dragonite + Maushold team that was really bad at the start of SV because they were a fun duo to use

[primal saddle]

hey would anyone be able to help me choose between 2 teams?

[short quiver]

i want to use reshiram/white kyurem+ zama but i want it to like, work.

[next stump]

sure, post them here

“work” is a complicated term. For some people that might mean high on the ladder, others that might mean getting to 1200-1300

[primal saddle]

these are reg h teams

https://pokepast.es/8cb782f11b3a5419 https://pokepast.es/b60cc472c6d2bb5d

[next stump]

Kyurem can absolutely win games and maybe sneak into Top 500 ladder ranking if you’re both a good player and master the team

[short quiver]

i want to win some of my games im not interested in winning ALL of them. id rather lose with mons i like than win with mons i dont care for

hence why ive been spamming meowscarada in comp since i started in like reg c

[next stump]

Then I think you have your answer, play Kyurem and keep tweaking the team to win more as you learn more

[short quiver]

could i try base reshiram+zama?

[primal saddle]

my reg h teams are designed for BO1

[dense latch]

i do think this is going to win hardly any games

reshiram has very little redeeming qualities

[foggy lodge]

Somebody used reshiram at NAIC and made day 2

Its its best result in the generation

[short quiver]

you have my attention 😃

[foggy lodge]

Ig it can do something

https://pokepast.es/3cd197b21b9e00d5

Its like a worse Miraidon in every aspect but we roll

[dense latch]

also chi yu

[short quiver]

dammit ofc its with ice 🫠
i wanted to cook with zama

maybe not cook, but like

doggo+its dragon buddy reshi

[foggy lodge]

I added roar to my hydreigon and I've clicked it the great amount of 2 times

🔥

[short quiver]

roar is a funny move

[foggy lodge]

It worked to kick off some annoying Volcaronas or Archaludons that setted up a bit too much

But I think the move can be super strong into this forma

Roar Incineroar is something I have on my list of things to try

And like

Incin is the objectively best roar mon for this format because it can actually click roar into most mons that set up like gambit volca or archaludon lol

[next stump]

I like the first one more I think

[primal saddle]

i think we all do

but the second is just too funny to not post

[devout gull]

Reg J starts Monday correct

[short quiver]

doesnt it start the 4th

how do i change my image on my profile

the one people see before battles

nvm

[short quiver]

chat what do the symbols the pokemon have above them after you get the blueberry academy update to your scanner

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2432151588-0nqc3hhyid0pwf10ic0rn21ub3dxdyjpw

I think I played this match pretty well

[rigid crane]

Im ready to use Arcues tomorrow

[chrome knot]

hdawiuojfbnawujkgnsa

@bold geode its fun when ur so loopy from meds

[cyan smelt]

wish my meds made me loopy

[bold geode]

Lol that reminded me hold up

@chrome knot girlie wtf was I on 2 years ago

[craggy dagger]

[short quiver]

cjat do we think NintenDONT will ever make iron leaves obtainable again?

[waxen dock]

They were in raids like 13 times already

Also iron leaves is trash

[random raft]

Anyone have a master ball for me to be in in Pokémon let’s go pikachu

Please I need help

[short quiver]

i dont care its cool

[short quiver]

so i gotta find someone i can beg/gaslight into giving me ond

[vestal vortex]

Ello, I am trying to make a team around the swamp, any advice?
I cannot send images for UH level on this server, so I'll just paste the PokeShowdown thing, I hope this doesn't count as flood.

Primarina (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Liquid Voice
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast
• Water Pledge
• Protect

Serperior (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Contrary
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Leaf Storm
• Tera Blast
• Grass Pledge
• Protect

It's... a work in progress, im really asking for teambulding help

[waxen dock]

If you want ou go to smogon here its vgc

[vestal vortex]

I'm sorry.

[waxen dock]

Wait is it ou

Isnt it vgc

[solid frigate]

Have you not see Pledge moves-

[waxen dock]

It it is i can help

[solid frigate]

It’s impossible to make Swamp,Sea of Fire and Rainbow effect in Singles

[waxen dock]

I didnt🤦‍♂️

[waxen dock]

Pledge create effects

I think fire and water is serene grace

Grass and water is swamp

Which is the speed/4

For the opponent

[vestal vortex]

Im trying to make a team around the Swamp, which is grass and water
But I really don't know what to add as support or... Any of the other 4 pokemon

[waxen dock]

I think something like gholdhengo which have a decent speed

Things between 100-60 are good

[waxen dock]

Maybe incin with fire pledge can be also good

[vestal vortex]

For the rainbow and the fire sea or whatever is called--
Hmm, yeah, and it also brings some support

[waxen dock]

Cuz then you have all 3 pledges

[vestal vortex]

UH now I want to build around those, because, I want to use the rainbow, I think it might be funny

[short quiver]

i will ask you if you know what the rainbow DOES

[waxen dock]

Rainbow is good for cheese

Swamp is good for speed control

And sea is good for chim damage

[short quiver]

that doesnt tell them what the rainbow actually does

[vestal vortex]

I might be misremembering but I believe all negative secondary effects have a 100% for triggering
Like flinch or paralize

I THINK
I may be misremembering

[short quiver]

it basically provides a Serene Grace buff to your entire team its not guaranteed i dont believe but it is far more likely to happen than before

[tiny karma]

Ability: Serene Grace

This Pokemon's moves have their secondary effect chance doubled. This effect stacks with the Rainbow effect, except for secondary effects that cause the target to flinch.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[vestal vortex]

Doubled, not 100%

[short quiver]

yes

[vestal vortex]

Okay that sounds way more fair

[short quiver]

theoretically

[vestal vortex]

Well as it's now clear, I want to make a team around those "special" terrain conditions.
I already have 2, and funny enough are 2 starters
And got recommended Incineroar for the Fire Pledge

The thing is I don't know what else to add, for versatility I mean.

[waxen dock]

when you use pledge moves it becomes the super effective of them i think

[short quiver]

no

unfortunately

[vestal vortex]

Its dependent on velocity but I don't remember if it's the slower one or the fastest one

[waxen dock]

i meant between those types

[short quiver]

no 😑

[waxen dock]

for example if i have grass and water it will be grass

and if it water and fire it will be fire

[short quiver]

the starter that is slower should use the pledge of the faster starter

[vestal vortex]

Okay so if my grass pledge user is slower, and my fire pledge user is faster, the water pokemon will be using the fire move?

[waxen dock]

the grass pledge

[vestal vortex]

Okay yes I got SO MIXED

This pledge thing is confusing

[waxen dock]

i think meowscarada is better than serpirior

since its faster

[vestal vortex]

I'll try again
Grass pledge user is slower
Fire pledge user is faster
Grass pledge user will be using.......... UHH

[vestal vortex]

Yes I know but I'm trying to bring use to Serperior, since it's my gf favourite starter and she wanted to use something funny

[versed river]

leaf storm contrary tera stellar tera blast with a sash

[vestal vortex]

It's
The setup I'm using

Just + Grass pledge for extra fun

[versed river]

fair

[vestal vortex]

But I've never build a pledge team so I'm asking for hElp

[versed river]

but yeah the slower of the pledge users will use their stats (iirc) and have stab, and will move directly after the partner uses the pledge move im pretty sure

anyways how do we feel about the team im gonna bring to the GC? any adjustments i should make? https://pokepast.es/84a985e38c5fb430

[vestal vortex]

ah

[waxen dock]

i think draco is better than tera blast

[versed river]

fair, i just really dont want a move lowering my stats on a pokemon thats all about setup. Tera fairy tera blast is here specifically for the kommo-o matchup and some other dragon types and i find this more useful than just having dragon pulse as it can also do super effective damage against mons like annihilape

[waxen dock]

more damage

[waxen dock]

archaludon isnt a sweeper

[versed river]

?

[waxen dock]

it supposed to get 1 or 2 koes

[versed river]

look at my team bro
if my opponent cant counter it i can just get to +6 defense with pop bomb and then start raising my spa with electro shot or destroy everyone with body press how is this not sweeping 😭

remember that not every pokemon is stuck to needing to do one specific thing! its a sweeper here!

[stone trellis]

Bring Miraidon.

[stone trellis]

Typhlosion, Torkoal, Whimsicott, Kingambit, Dragonite and Garchomp.

[cyan smelt]

did you change it?

[stone trellis]

I know Jumpluff can force redirections with Rage Powder and put things to sleep, but Whimsicott ensures that some of its moves will always go first.

[stone trellis]

I probably did.

But I won't be able to test it out since I'll be on vacation from Monday till Sunday morning.

And my mom won't let me take my Switch with me, so I'll only be able to play on Sunday.

I'll try to build the team today and give you a rental code for it.

[cyan smelt]

thanks

keen to try it on showdown too

[stone trellis]

I'll DM you the final team paste.

[cyan smelt]

man there are some really good teams on showdown, idk if i could ever build anything like that

[cedar otter]

So best for support utilities?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

Gale Wings gives it +1 priority on all Flying-type moves if it's at full HP.

[waxen dock]

give talonflame covert and gale wings

[stone trellis]

Which means that its own Tailwind will always go first, as it outspeeds the second fastest priority TW setter by 10 points naturally.

[waxen dock]

yes it outspeeds whims

and it can ohko sneasler with dual wingbeat

[stone trellis]

What Tera?

[waxen dock]

steallar

thats the set i use

cuz stellar dual wingbeat ohkoes whims

[stone trellis]

I'd go Dark, but sure.

[waxen dock]

why?

[stone trellis]

I use a very similar set on Salamence.

[waxen dock]

it has priority with gale wings

[stone trellis]

Man genuinely shits on Sneasler.

[waxen dock]

252 Atk Tera Stellar Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 160-192 (101.2 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sneasler: 148-180 (95.4 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

Use Salamence, then you won't need to worry about wasting your Tera for a KO.

[waxen dock]

but then it doesnt have priority

so what the point

[stone trellis]

It's worked well enough for me.

[waxen dock]

but the way my team functions i need the priority tailwind

salamance doesnt do that

also salamance is weak to all prims and arach and dnites

dnite also have dual wingbeat

[waxen dock]

i dont really need the tera that much

if i can get 2 kills in like3 turns and have 3 mons left im good

[next stump]

The team itself looks good, my only question is about the EVs

everything being max bulk 0 speed will be difficult to use in some games

[versed river]

yeah true, i think i just got greedy with attacks i wanted to survive and im also just really bad at training for speed as a whole, do you happen to know any pokemon i should look to outspeed with some of mine?

my basculegion has enough to outspeed modest 252 scarf gholdengo but thats really all i did for specific speed calcs

[cyan smelt]

the only problem with talonflame is psychic seed sneasler

[waxen dock]

why?

this is actually my best mu

cuz i leadt talon ghold

and i use tera steel

mir

they throat chop

[cyan smelt]

i thought it'd be problematic because psychic terrain shuts off gale wings and throat chop yeah

[waxen dock]

it doesnt

[cyan smelt]

ig you can still tailwind

[waxen dock]

psychic terrain only blovk priorities that are against mons

not that affect the battlefield or something

so it isnt bad

[versed river]

talonflame is flying so im pretty sure it doesnt affect it? unless thats only for things like the grassy terrain recovery

[stone trellis]

Brave Bird gets blocked, I've tried it.

[versed river]

okie

[stone trellis]

But Tailwind isn't a move that can target an opposing Pokemon, so it doesn't get blocked.

[waxen dock]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Steel Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Sneasler: 184-218 (118.7 - 140.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Sneasler Throat Chop vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Steel Gholdengo: 53-63 (32.7 - 38.8%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO

3hko

so i dont see it as a problem

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2432296759

I just learned I'll be back from my vacation on Friday, not Sunday like I thought.

So where do I go to register for the GC?

[next stump]

connect online in game, go to the online portal, and I think there’s a tab specifically for online competitions

I’m blanking on what it’s called

[waxen dock]

in battle stadium in online comapations

competitions

[stone trellis]

Thanks.

[waxen dock]

do you have online subscription?

you need online suscription

[stone trellis]

Of course I do.

I have NSO for at least 5 more months.

[waxen dock]

and note that you cant use the team for anything until the gc end ,from the moment you register

[stone trellis]

I won't be able to use it anyway.

[waxen dock]

did you register?

[stone trellis]

No, not yet.

I'll be on vacation from Monday till Friday.

So I literally have no option.

[waxen dock]

but you can only register until thursday

so you will need to register now

[stone trellis]

I know.

That's not a big issue.

[waxen dock]

but you said you are on vacation

so you need to register now

i mean today

[stone trellis]

I'm leaving tomorrow morning, I still have time to register today.

[waxen dock]

i just realized my online subscription ended but i do have a code that gives a week of online

when should i use the code?

[next stump]

use it in a couple days so it definitely runs through the end of the competition

[cedar otter]

I think I’ll make mine support support

So some survivable

[waxen dock]

you want it to die

[cedar otter]

Oh…

Well nvm then lmao

[waxen dock]

some is good

but dont make it defensive

its only role is tailwind it doesnt do enough damage

[cedar otter]

I thought I could use like some gimmicky after the speed boost ya know

[chrome knot]

will o wisp

[cedar otter]

Yea

Funny how when I was looking at the French side they use flame body

[chrome knot]

no its just

fast enough to either be prio tw or wisping something important

[cedar otter]

Oh no I meant this

But I’ll use gale wings to be supportive

[chrome knot]

uhh thats for singles

unless you’re a singles player ig

[cedar otter]

Oh nah

I need to find the doubles one

My brother is a competitive French and he given me this for ideas…although I mostly prioritise doubles atm

[waxen dock]

raptor?

this isnt a move

[chrome knot]

its in french

id assume brave bird lol

[cedar otter]

Yea lmao

I love Talonflame so I wanna have as much usage on it on team battle

[chrome knot]

ahhh

so you’ll be stuck using mid for a very long time i feel

[stone trellis]

Prime Talonflame was a different beast.

Gale Wings always worked, regardless of its HP.

[cedar otter]

Eh, idc about tiers, I just care who I love

And yeh I heard about the nerf of gale

They said it was too strong so it got shot

[stone trellis]

"So uh, do we nerf Primal Groudon or Xer-"
"Nerf the hawk."
"Y-you mean Talonflame?"
"Yes. It's not like Pdon and Xerneas have any shot at winning Worlds the next time they'll be legal anyway."

[woven pelican]

I'm sorry but reading "competitive French" out of context makes me giggle

"what do you do for a living?" "I French."

[stone trellis]

I'm Frenching it

[cedar otter]

Oui Oui

[woven pelican]

"MOM DON'T BOTHER ME I'M TRYNA FRENCH"

[bold geode]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgGA-iSV_fOv1xiD9ePFeRVHxFVCs6gRPsAbH0SqXn4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[cedar otter]

Well either way

Ig for Talonflame is speed and atk

[bold geode]

[versed river]

ah tysm

[gentle crag]

lylylysha has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[loud bramble]

Any thoughts on how to improve the teams, i am quite a casual player but i recently just decided to at least participate in the next online competition.

I think the team biggest problem are rain teams just smoking me, archaludon i managed to beat by walling it with follow me buzz but basculegion just one shots everything.

The evs are quite randomly picked from top cutting teams, so dont ask me about them cause i honestly cant tell for what they are for .

[next stump]

I think the core of Electabuzz/Sneasler/Rillaboom should handle rain teams decently, is it just basc in the back coming and destroying you?

[loud bramble]

You know what, i think you are right. It may be a skill issue on my part. I'll try to practice the match up more. Any other more general suggestions on the team?

[brave hazel]

Kingambit dark Terra sucker punch is legit crazy

[loud bramble]

It always has been crazy, especially with glasses and a dance up.

[brave hazel]

Yeah that’s what I’m running

Managed to catch this, pretty insane catch I’ll admit

Feels a little cheap tho

[loud bramble]

I remember first week SV everyone using the Gambito and Palafin. Only one of them ended up being a fraud.

[brave hazel]

Using the sucker punch way.

like I can run singles & sweep 6x if I time it right. Adamant, terra, glasses sucker punch basically deletes anything after a dance or 2

[brave hazel]

I haven’t used palafin yet

[loud bramble]

Palafin is pretty much hard countered by the grass monkey, i feel like first week sv was its time for glory. For singles it could still work maybe?

[brave hazel]

Idk, I don’t know anything about palafin

But if you’re talking about it, it must have some niche tricks

[loud bramble]

I mean it was so strong in singles that smogon banned it from overused.

I think the set was bulk up jet punch (signature priority) flip turn and flex move for coverage

It has a cool ability that unfortunately makes him quite meh in vgc

[foggy lodge]

C'mon Mamoswine you can do it

[bold geode]

Nah sybau

[foggy lodge]

MAMOSWINE IS GONNA DO IT

Btw Erizabeth is seed 1

[waxen dock]

Isnt erizabets the one that wins every single ranked season?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

He won a GC in reg G too

Its their fault that we had to deal with leech seed CIR

[bold geode]

I still need you to find out that Torkoal speed fucker

[foggy lodge]

Joseph's twitch chat is full of top players I feel so out of place LMAO

[next stump]

Joe’s torkoal?

[bold geode]

Ok Dillon so question
Is there anything I need to be min speed Amoonguss for? Or is 27 IV fine

Just for like
TR purposes

Max told me some shit about a fast Torkoal?

[next stump]

not a super big thing in Reg H but clefairy I think requires min speed amoonguss

pretty sure Joe’s torkoal outspeeds amoonguss

[bold geode]

Think I'm fine against Clefairy tbh

And this Torkoal is outspeeding just min speed or 31 IV

[next stump]

what does 31IV modest torkoal reach

[bold geode]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No EVs it reaches 40

[next stump]

hmmm

I’m like 75% I saw Joes torkoal outspeed an amoonguss on stream last time reg H was around

and it won him a game

but maybe it was tailwind with jumpluff

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge ain't there a paste out?

[primal saddle]

anyone think this team has potential ?

https://pokepast.es/796b56351c6e7886

[waxen dock]

i th9nk it does

[primal saddle]

what rating on showdown ladder is normally a good indicator ?

or does it just need to beat meta teams

[waxen dock]

depends

some players think 1200 is good

but i would say good player is in 1350 +

[primal saddle]

ok so im around 1400, i might as well pick this team then ?

[waxen dock]

1400 is good

try top get to 1500

or top 500

[primal saddle]

ok, its bo1 if that changes anything

[waxen dock]

nah

i meant bo1 ladder

in bo3 reg h im bad

only bo1 im good

but im more of a bo1 player

[primal saddle]

ah okay 🙂 thanks! yeah the bo1 format seems more spicy

[foggy lodge]

Depends on what you consider good but personally something like 1600 on bo1 and 1450-1500 on bo3

[waxen dock]

only like 70 players are 1600 in bo1

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2432419672-rj6dxpa4hy0fbe9eld6usnfuqucadqjpw he stalled the trick room turns for himself

[atomic atlas]

Anyone know a vgc discord for Florida?

[next stump]

I can find it for you

[next stump]

Are you playing the GC and wondering for that?

[atomic atlas]

Miami area if they have specific

[next stump]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bfK2V-a7Y2hhrohH7f4qy_OaQkzm7VoyfC9EDvkdwck/edit?gid=50775044#gid=50775044

[atomic atlas]

Ty man

[gentle crag]

alexdalefty has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

you’re welcome 🙂

[waxen dock]

for some reason i continue to consitently lose cuz my opponent gets lucky

or me getting unlucky

[next stump]

do you have replays saved of the games?

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/MichaelderBeste/status/1962180887862182156

MichaelderBeste (@MichaelderBeste)

Regulation H is incredibly disgusting. I played VR and finished 14th out of 356 players. I got frozen 7!!! times, missed almost every Scale Shot, had to bail a lot with Dire Claw and 3 turn sleeps from Amoonguss are my passion. There are always Sucker Mindgames and on top of that

X · Aug 31, 2025, 3:49 PM

Maybe this format just sucks ass LMAO

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2432441245

Oh my god

My heart was racing here

Did I do a mistake by not clicking trick room?

[waxen dock]

https://tenor.com/view/one-more-game-one-more-game-squid-game-season-2-one-more-round-netflix-gif-2126750657036619838

one more game for 1600 and top 100

[primal saddle]

go bro!

u get it:?

[short quiver]

do the paldean starters spawn in any of the terrarium expansions

[lean ridge]

Nope only breeding

[short quiver]

i want a special marked Meowscarada very badly