competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

Hate is a strong word but yeah

I just don't agree xd I can have my own opinion

[bold geode]

Yeah absolutely
Someone shows their opinion on a tierlist
You don't agree with it or you do
Ok that's fine lol

But there's quite a lot of people who just
Don't get that

They either shit on someone real hard cuz they have a slight disagreement or they take the list as martial law

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCdata/status/1960729562716737713?t=Ayn-w726f9m99CglRFOdEw&s=19

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X · Aug 27, 2025, 3:42 PM

Ragebaiting format

[short quiver]

Archaludon my goat

alr chat what we think for reg j

@stone trellis helped quite a lot with this team

oh gotta change suicunes item

[stone trellis]

I didn't cook at all.

[short quiver]

scratch that

https://pokepast.es/6156d351884525d0

this is the real pokepaste

[short quiver]

nah gng we cooked

idk if i should feel bad for legend spamming or not

[red willow]

So like do I run amoonguss on a sunroom team cause no bonnet in reg h

Or do I not wanna stock up on too many slow mons

[bold geode]

Sunroom you're gonna be doing Hard TR so really you're probably gonna run stuff like Armarouge Indeedee or Hatterene or other stuff like Ursaluna and Gallade

Those teams don't really have Amoonguss

[red willow]

I got ya even tho its a slow as hell spore user that still doesnt warrant a slot?

Ig torkoal auto takes a slot so theres that

[bold geode]

Yeah you kinda don't want it on a team that's just trying to get Trick Room up and sweep as much as that one
If you really want a Pokemon that can put stuff to sleep on there you'd run like Hisuian Lilligant cuz like
Chlorophyll Sleep Powder and After You is pretty nice

Exxegutor was even used in H for similar Sleep Powder and Chlorophyll boosted concept but I wouldn't recommend it as much

With Hisuian Lilligant you can also After You TR technically

Basically the 6th slot will always be the choice, usually the cookie cutter formula for that is like
Indeedee + E Force spammer (Armarouge or Hatterene, you choose) , Torkoal and Ursaluna that can sweep with big damage under TR, and most importantly Gallade to hit Dark types hard

[red willow]

Does it matterrwhich ursa

Ig regular since we already have so much sp atk

Does ursa learn a high dmg fighting move?

[stone trellis]

Regular?

[red willow]

Yee

[stone trellis]

It learns CC and Hammer Arm.

[red willow]

Awww right on

So like why gallade

[stone trellis]

And Cross Chop.

[red willow]

In sunroom if ursa has dark coverage?

Gallade just seems kinda meh statwise

[stone trellis]

Inner Focus/Sharpness makes it quite strong.

[red willow]

Also in theory I already have 2 psychic types as well Im not trying to be mono psychic/fire

Maybe we just scrap sunroom and play sneasler balance like the degen gambler I am

[stone trellis]

Ursaluna also gets Drain Punch for a more consistent move.

[bold geode]

Sharpness is pretty strong, it can use WG and set up TR, but most importantly it holds the Clear Amulet which lets it not be affected by Intimidate which helps it be able to consistently one shot Incineroar which is a bitch for those teams

Also does same thing for Dark types in general but like the big one is Incineroar

Also Sharpness boosted STAB boosted terrain boosted Psycho Cut can hit like a truck

[real prairie]

I had a go with Dragon Tera - Justified - Outrage - Arcanaine for a little while

its basically a hard TR team and Poli is slow

[brave hazel]

@real prairie 6 rage quits today thanks to ladychemicals

[gentle crag]

winters_626 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[brave hazel]

Thank you so muchhhh

I hate t waves low accuracy. Always misses

[lofty tartan]

My tier list brings all the boys to the yard

[bold geode]

It is not better than mine

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/id-love-to-see-it-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-i-want-to-watch-it-i-would-like-to-take-a-look-gif-20388408

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tantrum-angry-i-dont-want-to-gif-11164357

[polar canyon]

Getting crit by ivy cudgel always feels like something I should have played around but getting crit by gallade psycho cut always feels like bs and I can't explain where the difference comes from

[foggy lodge]

Ivy cudgel is divine punishment crit psycho cut is just a get fucked

[short quiver]

ivy cudgel is peak

goatpon is just that

a GOAT

[polar canyon]

Ogerpon deserved that crit for being a good creature with a heart of gold

Gallade got the crit from a deal with the devil

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2430100539-5h17cylphchvf63pkkykdnnix7x01sspw
borderline top 200

[short quiver]

which one is you

[rustic mountain]

🤨

u fr?

[cyan smelt]

Tree is smashing reg h

[atomic mural]

I’m just trying to find a 0 speed iv ditto man what is this

[lofty umbra]

Are rental teams allowed in the grand challenge or do I need to build my own team?

[rustic mountain]

need to build ur own

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/0b77adece9c46adc

This might be a team of all time

[rustic mountain]

its a team w/ mons for sure

[shadow wind]

And I just lost to icicle spear A9

Mickey mouse format

I forgot how much I hated seeing Ape every single game

[rustic mountain]

tbf losing to icicle spear a9 says more about u/ the team then the format

[shadow wind]

They icicle speared into Ape

[rustic mountain]

atleast now u know to look out for if u see it again which i cant see being the case cuz that seems bad

[shadow wind]

Bad yet it works because the format allows Ape to blast through every team that doesn't have psyspam

[rustic mountain]

i really havent been having any issues w/ ape personally

[shadow wind]

Oh my god he's back

[forest arrow]

Oh I was playing with that team the other day

The A9 with icicle spear, it’s DUG core stuff

[shadow wind]

I keep hearing DUG and have 0 clue what it means

[forest arrow]

Dragonite Ursaluna Gholdengo

Did it have ape A9 magmar and those 3?

[shadow wind]

No Magamar or Ursa I think

It had Rilla and something else that I can't remember

[forest arrow]

Oh it’s usually magmar, and AV bloodmoon

I thought the team was cool

[shadow wind]

I won't lie it's pretty neat but it's very annoying to play into

[forest arrow]

Fair, redirection for spear maybe, and KOing its partners first is prob your best bet

[short quiver]

firefishy's standard movespread is overheat snarl dark pulse heat wave choice scarf right?

and tera ghost or fire according munchstats

[lofty tartan]

Might have my team for Pitt

Gonna run it into the GC and see how she goes

Got some shiny hunting to do for the crew though. It's a collaborative effort

[solid frigate]

Mika is gonna cook

[lofty tartan]

Oh this team cooks

Gonna be running some all time faves. I love Reg H so much

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-cooking-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-fresh-prince-gif-17607703

[solid frigate]

I have no comment on Reg H other than Archaludon is my fav VGC Pokémon despite all the hate

[lofty tartan]

No Archa here 👀

We're gonna body those guys

[solid frigate]

Get em

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-deadman-bodybag-gif-13481432

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

Mika be like beating up Archaludon

[lofty tartan]

Oh I'm ready for them.

I think I only lost one set into Rain at Toronto and played into it four times

We're running the 6 secret spices of KFC this time though

[solid frigate]

Nice shit

[solid frigate]

We decided to use only 6/10 spices

[lofty tartan]

It's all we need

[solid frigate]

True

[brave hazel]

Idc what anyone says, freeze needs a nerf. Should not be able to keep a pokemon frozen the entire time. 5 turns is absolute horse sh*t , & why does freeze dry freeze you so much.

[lofty tartan]

Just unlucky. It's a 10% chance to proc freeze

[brave hazel]

Are you sure ? Because I seem to get frozen from freeze dry a hella lot.

[lofty tartan]

What're we gonna do? Nerf that to 5% and have people still complain it's too strong?

[brave hazel]

No just simply 3 turns max freeze.

[solid frigate]

I don’t really care about it too much about freeze anyway

I already lived through the pain of Double freeze twice in same week

[forest arrow]

Let’s go!

[lofty tartan]

It's the most uncommon non-volatile status condition

There's no move that'll guarantee a freeze.

[solid frigate]

And the only two non ice type move that can freeze you is Freezing Glare and Tri Attack anyway

One of them is a signature move of a unfortunate mid Pokémon as well

i will make galar articuno work once champions is out but don't expect good results honestly

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2430221124-lj40webdoauw3uxjq0beorajl9ko5j0pw
chat am i genuinely just bad at the game or something TT

[waxen dock]

that gg i lost was weird

but why do you need 2 speed contorl in the same game

[solid frigate]

when nihilism caught up on you:

[solid frigate]

also Miraidon just solves most of your problem in tis match-

they did not even bring rilla and even if they do that you have f-ing Chi Yu or learn how to pivot

[short quiver]

cuz i knew i lost

[short quiver]

hm...... fair point

[solid frigate]

Miraidon was like a no brainer to bring hhere-

it hurts more when they did not bring Rilla and Lando

[short quiver]

i was fully expecting lando

[solid frigate]

you can just turn 1 tera and draco

especially specs miraidon

[short quiver]

uh huh

[waxen dock]

specs draco ohko lando

[short quiver]

specs draco OHKOs a lot of mons

[solid frigate]

its free like cmon-

turn 1 draco,if they switch to zama just switch manually

[short quiver]

my usual strats for comp is just raw power this team actually requires me to GearShift myself

[solid frigate]

you mean hyper offense?

[short quiver]

yea

raw power. HO

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[short quiver]

🙂

as you can see i have much to learn outside of the mons im used to

i only know calcs of what my mons can tank not what they can dish out

[waxen dock]

i really like ho

what ho teams does reg h have?

[short quiver]

the only mon im familiar with on this team is Poni

[solid frigate]

not too much in my knowledge

[short quiver]

Eforce, Eruption, just some examples

theres also whatever you call scarf final gambit annihilape

[solid frigate]

if those are hyper offensive then everything is HO

[short quiver]

so how can i get better with my team. i can give you the paste

[solid frigate]

just send the paste-

[waxen dock]

this isnt only ho

[waxen dock]

so what ho team does reg h have?

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/a9558a91c84cb6b7

kyurem is calced very specifically

[solid frigate]

its never HO lmao

HO usually just gets tailwind and sweep as fast as possible without too much defensive pieces

[waxen dock]

so what ho teams does reg h have?

[solid frigate]

actually not too much

Unless you wanna play typhlosion eruption

or Marco's Sun Team

cuz Reg H kinda don't really have too much HO

[solid frigate]

suicune,Eleki,Out.

replace them with something that HELPS the two restricted like veil A9 or Tornadus that can set up snow for kyurem white to spam blizzard

[short quiver]

suicune is here cuz its cool

eleki is replacable though

[solemn flicker]

Hey whats up yall, Yea I agree, Torn with manual Snow set up or A9 with Focus Sash so you can guarantee you live a hit and set up AuroVeil

Covert Cloak works too if you face Fake Out users

[short quiver]

how about keep suicune and replace eleki with A9 😄

[solemn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-travis-willingham-gif-20349956

[solid frigate]

Miraidon,Kyurem,A9,Tornadus,Hearthflame,Chi Yu

I'm fucking done

like i am genuinely done

[short quiver]

oki. rip suicune

[solemn flicker]

So this is how I run my Ice duo:

Kyurem-W
Assault Vest
-Ice Burn
-Fusion Flare
-Freeze Dry
-Draco Meteor

A9
Focus Sash
-Blizzard
-Aurora Veil
-Dazzling Gleam
-Protect

[short quiver]

what do i even run on torn

[solid frigate]

why ice burn. why.

[solid frigate]

focus sash,covert cloak,light clay

[solemn flicker]

Sometimes I change the item from Assault Vest to Power Herb

But Blizzard makes more sense if you do AV. If u use another item u can sub in Protect on Kyurem for Ice Burn

[short quiver]

i meant moves. its getting the sash. A9 is getting covert

[solid frigate]

ya knw what i'll make the team rn

https://pokepast.es/c694b52c86e4f375

@short quiver just take this.

[short quiver]

snarl mirai isnt a thing anymore, huh?

[solid frigate]

you don't run specs on snarl mirai

you run it on scarf or AV

and you don't need snarl on miraidon when Chi yu exists

[short quiver]

got it

see i learned something 🙂

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2430235429
imagine playing like a bitch just to forfeit when i kill your cringe mon

[brave hazel]

Can someone explain this in a little more detail

Prankster does not work against dark types. But what about screens ?

How does dark types interact with prankster +1 priorities to screens

[short quiver]

what even is the question here im confused

dark types are immune to prankster moves targetting them

screens dont target the enemy team

[brave hazel]

I wasn’t sure if the dark type eliminated the priority giving it just standard speed based

[short quiver]

no

[brave hazel]

I assumed that’s how it worked

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2430240503

i suck at this game

kyurem is doing so good too the problem is me 😭

[silk stream]

Hey guys. Any good websites for seeing what teams people are using atm? Specifically for reg h. Just want to get an idea of what people are running.

[waxen dock]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit#gid=418553327

[silk stream]

Your cool af. Thank you. That's rlly helpful

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to ido1500

[short quiver]

chat remember when we had hidden power

good times

[rapid willow]

Anyone have any good rental teams? I want to get into competitive but I would like to feel a out the basics with a standard rental teams

[stone trellis]

@rapid willow You can use this to check for rental codes.

[rapid willow]

Much appreciated 🙂

[stone trellis]

There aren't any pastes for entries after I999, so you'll have to scroll down a little.

[stone trellis]

No problem.

[brave hazel]

Hahaha Galarian weezing is so funny with its neutralising ability. 1st pokemon was a9 & snow failed & they were confused & still tried to set up aura veil & then I set up toxic spikes & he switched & ate a heat wave & then rage quit

[stone trellis]

MILF
Man
I
Love
F Low ladder

[silk jay]

Yoooo good luck to anyone going to Pittsburgh regionals

[brave hazel]

If t wave is 90% accuracy, why does it miss 2/5 times

[stone trellis]

If it's not 100%, you're flipping a coin.

[brave hazel]

But the coin should land heads 90% of the time.

Makes no sense

[stone trellis]

I've missed High Horsepower twice in a row and it lost me a game where I had a guaranteed win strategy, I know it makes no sense.

[brave hazel]

Crazy you can be way more of a skilled player then someone & lose due to a missed move that should of hit

[stone trellis]

The funny part about the coin flip analogy is that it's two-sided.

[cyan smelt]

i'm so bad at this game, think i need to play a few rentals again

[stone trellis]

Ting-Lu loved that.

[brave hazel]

My brain realising that in game kyr will never be able to goto home. Will be forever bound to this game only 💔

[solid frigate]

bird up

[deft crescent]

Quick question for the GC once the tournament starts can you battle any time of the day or is there a specific battling time

[dense latch]

any time

every day you “unlock” 15 games that you can play any time after that

so you could theoretically cram the 45 games all in the last day of the gc

[cursive cargo]

I wonder if the z moves in champions will actually look good

No more xerneas twinkle tackle

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-bad-animation-twinkle-tackle-xernous-pokemon-sun-gif-22623650

[short quiver]

me when i spread misinformation online

[polar canyon]

To this day I still defend z moves

They had to come up with animations for each type that could fit literally every pokemon of course some are gonna look stupid

Most of them look cool anyways I love the rock one

[craggy dagger]

oop-

[short quiver]

is choice band ice horsey a thing

[solid frigate]

nope

[short quiver]

damn

[versed river]

yes, though not a very good thing

[short quiver]

makes sense

omg mimikyu

i was considering trying a choice band set with glacial lance, HH, crunch, and seed bomb

I was looking for horn leech, but I guess glastriers horn is just useless

[austere orchid]

Hi I'm new

What you talking about?

[short quiver]

choice band calyrex ice. “don’t try this at home, kids!”

[austere orchid]

Oh I mean I would exactly use choice band

Unless trick room

[short quiver]

don’t

[austere orchid]

I ment I won't sorry autocorrect

[short quiver]

🙂

don’t try a lot of the things I do I love unconventional stuff

[stone trellis]

Hence why your favorite is Meowscarada.

[austere orchid]

I mean this is kind of a good strat too
Leech Seed
Glacia Lance
Iron Defense
Body Press
Hp 252 Special defense 252 Defense 4

It worked before

I mostly do single battles in Pokémon showdown got like over 400 times no I don't use all of them

[short quiver]

leave my cat the hell alone

[austere orchid]

I don't mind meowscarada if it was doubled then yes not the best but I mean it's kinda good

[short quiver]

Who even play singles anymore?

[stone trellis]

Most competitive players...

VGC is a bit more popular than singles, by virtue of singles having existed for longer.

[solid frigate]

like singles is more popular than double by a long shot

[short quiver]

I like doubles better it’s more chaotic

[austere orchid]

This is what I would give it
Speed 252 Attack 252
Flower Trick
Night Slash
U Turn
Aerial Ace
Tera Flying
Choice Band

[solid frigate]

• VGC only exist in Gen 4

[stone trellis]

Why Night Slash instead of Knock Off or Sucker Punch?

Or Throat Chop?

[short quiver]

iuse flower trick triple axel knock off uturn

[austere orchid]

BC for sucker punch kinda sucks if its choice band and the other guy used status and knock off isn't bad but also this is the meowscarada on my main

[austere orchid]

I would but BC bug is weak to meowscarada 4X I need flying to kill them

[short quiver]

The math is not mathing

[stone trellis]

Kill who?

[austere orchid]

I always kinda give my Pokémon super effective moves against their weaknesses

Works a lot of times

[stone trellis]

Volcarona isn't dying to CB Tera Flying Aerial Ace.

[austere orchid]

Also is Slack off for Skelidirge an egg move?

[short quiver]

But it’s not weak to itself

[stone trellis]

Think it is.

[austere orchid]

It is when it's got only 55 defense

[stone trellis]

252 Atk Choice Band Tera Flying Meowscarada Aerial Ace vs. 252 HP / 116 Def Volcarona: 168-198 (87.5 - 103.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Try that shit on Bold Volc, I dare you.

[solid frigate]

did you put protean type to flying

[stone trellis]

How do you do that?

[austere orchid]

No since it's got nerfed this generation it kinda makes it harder to use with protean

[solid frigate]

it literally changes in the calc

[austere orchid]

If kinda give it a different moveset if it had protean

[solid frigate]

i have no problem using it lmao

[stone trellis]

252 Atk Choice Band Protean Meowscarada Aerial Ace vs. 252 HP / 116 Def Volcarona: 168-198 (87.5 - 103.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Same shit.

[austere orchid]

Not every math is correct but ok

Honestly I would kinda use 252 hp volcano

Volcarona

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/herta-the-herta-hsr-honkai-star-rail-herta-nom-gif-7570829152627928523

back to TCGP

[short quiver]

Hence, why I use the moves that I use

because mine has protean

And also, I play doubles not singles

[near crag]

Just built this team, but it has two eviolite users. What changes would y'all suggest? https://pokepast.es/451eb14556b33c7b

[next stump]

could try scarf indeedee, sash murkrow

[cursive cargo]

Z moves is my favorite gimmick

Doesn’t change the fact that some of them look really goofy

[dense latch]

ig you could also do cloak murkrow since it can still get hit by fake out

but sash is prob better for survivability

[dense latch]

sucker on pult and fake out sneasler seems counterintuitive to me

i feel like you’d be better off with uturn and throat chop respectively

would even consider tera ghost tera blast pult bc i feel like your stream struggles bad into dengo

[short quiver]

calyrex ice is a chad

[languid ocean]

I just realized I get worried for nothing

gc1 is TPCi so I am not eligible

[short quiver]

what

[languid ocean]

yea blame pokemon and splitting asia and na/eu under two different managements

unless... I can just change my region and see if itll work later

[short quiver]

thats

lame

[languid ocean]

its so stupid cuz if you play the game in english, even if you set your region/division AND your Nintendo account is in Asia-Pacific you get that notif when you go online and the usual Poke Portal news popped up

idk if its the case if you play the game in Chinese but

[short quiver]

So the global challenge is in fact, not global

[languid ocean]

when I play in my Japanese language Violet on a different account to EV train (I have more pokedollars at mats there) it didn't show

[short quiver]

😔

[languid ocean]

no I found out its Grand Challenge and not Global Challenge which are apparently two different things

[short quiver]

😒

[languid ocean]

(its also both abbreviated the same, so lol, lmao even)

[serene moth]

I wish i was an anime girl

[short quiver]

valid wish

[harsh depot]

Stupid question about current regulation. Do you bring both restricted legendaries typically?

[short quiver]

i mean not necessarily

[harsh depot]

Just curious

[short quiver]

you COULD bring both restricteds

you just dont necessarily need to, and sometimes you just dont want to

[dense latch]

you want to most times but there’s def matchups where leaving one out is better for you

[short quiver]

i really want to get better at MUs i suck at figuring out what mons to bring.

i just push buttons and hope it works

[sand wedge]

I cannot wait for pokemon champions, It looks so good

I think thats the name anyway? 😆

[serene moth]

Do you think you can mega evolve AND terracrystalite your pokemon during one battle?

[stone trellis]

Doubt it.

Even when we had both Mega Evolutions and Z-moves, Mega Rayquaza was unable to Mega Evolve if it held a Z crystal.

[serene moth]

Whould you think mega is superior to terra?

[short quiver]

yes unless your name is terapagos

since it’s the only Pokémon to get stats from the Tera phenomenon

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

it basically mega evolves

whos ready for day 1 bugs when champions releases

[brave hazel]

Nah, not even close

Mega only increases stats & changes ability’s in some pokemon

Terra can legit change your entire defensive type. Making it very unpredictable

[woven pelican]

everyone can tera, not everyone can mega

so that's automatically a pro

[brave hazel]

Mega is predictable as well

& also you have to sacrifice important held items

[woven pelican]

especially when you only have the one mon in your team that can mega
And even then not many megas add/change types to the mon

[brave hazel]

Only pokemon I even remember with an ability change with mega is sableye

To magic bounce

[woven pelican]

venusaur changes abilities

[brave hazel]

Aww yeah ? What is it ? It’s been ages

[woven pelican]

i forgot what ability but i know it removes weakness, makes fire neutral only

[brave hazel]

I’ve been running rock terra vena in singles lately. It’s so good

[woven pelican]

used it a lot in lge

[brave hazel]

plus Terra boosted attacks likely do more damage then mega attacks anyways

but mega it self is way cooler. I’ll be using it just for the awesome factor alone

[woven pelican]

oh there's a lot more megas that get new abilities

for example Pidgeot, which iirc got a very small niche strategy due to No Guard

[rustic mountain]

hawlucha losing to machamp w/ the type advantage b4 having to mega evolve

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Hey man Ash's Pikachu beat a fucking Onix
They gotta find ways to give Pokemon plot armor

[rustic mountain]

hahaha that was just a funny way to introduce the mon

like look hawluchas so ass it cant even win w/ the type advantage heres a mega

[woven pelican]

tbf in the trailer it didn't even look like hawlucha was using flying moves before mega evolving

[rustic mountain]

even worse

[woven pelican]

i think that's just the trainer being. Stupid idk

like he had brave bird and didn't think of using it first

[rustic mountain]

[woven pelican]

this fault is put onto the trainer, not the hawlucha

[bold geode]

Bro it looks gas though but like also

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 701: Hawlucha

Types

Fighting/Flying

Abilities

Limber, Unburden, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/92/75/74/63/118

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.4

[rustic mountain]

idk y ppl love it so much, its fine

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rustic mountain]

yo new one piece chp just dropped

[bold geode]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[cyan smelt]

will the mega still have unburden though

[woven pelican]

possibly, possibly not

[atomic mural]

wouldnt that do nothing

[woven pelican]

gotta see how they implement abilities, because apparently that's one of the things that aren't returning

[cyan smelt]

they better not do something like regigigas slow start in PLA

[bold geode]

Doesn't matter, you have to lose the item to activate it

[woven pelican]

they could just pull an lgpe, where the mega stones are key items instead of held items

[bold geode]

Idt they'll do that for Champions

[woven pelican]

oh for champions probably not

[bold geode]

Honestly if I'm right looking at trailers
Incineroar will be in Champions at the start
Hope y'all truly realize how huge that is

[chrome knot]

?

[stone trellis]

Incin wins Worlds 2026?

[rustic mountain]

incin hasnt won worlds since 2022, fraud watch?

[waxen dock]

i won against this guy 3 times already

[lofty tartan]

He's just biding his time

Been shiny hunting for my Pittsburgh team. Got a pretty decent mark.

[strange fjord]

oo nice

which Pokemon is it? (im gonna team snipe you and win the whole event because of it )

[lofty tartan]

You going to Pitt?

And I actually can't say. Team is being kept under wraps 🙂

[strange fjord]

So no team sniping?
(im not even going to pitt lol)

[lofty tartan]

No team sniping

[brave hazel]

Wait cally is faster then chien?

[stone trellis]

CSR is base 150, Chien-Pao is base 135.

So that's 222 and 205 Speed respectively when maxed out.

[brave hazel]

I swear nothing out speeds CSR with out an item

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/regieleki-pokemon-bounce-jump-cute-gif-18956216

[brave hazel]

so annoying.

[brave hazel]

Not a fan of electric types. To many ground types in this meta

singles that is

this thing gets moped

[stone trellis]

Every single paradox Pokemon with sun/electric terrain active and more than base 84 Speed outspeeds it.

[brave hazel]

Yeah but you have to set all that up, or use pokemon with ability’s

just not apart of my playstyle

[stone trellis]

You have to use Pokemon with ABILITIES?

Wow.

[brave hazel]

Speed boosting ability’s obviously.

[bitter heron]

Hi guys, I have a question regarding Rage Powder. I just did a battle in Showdown a this happened:
Amoonguss used Rage Powder! Amoonguss became the center of attention! The opposing Drummer used High Horsepower! It's super effective! (Incineroar lost 27.9% of its health!)
Why was High Horsepower not redirected to Amoongus?

[stone trellis]

Also, Prankster Tailwind doesn't require an item either.

[brave hazel]

Don’t talk to me like I’m a 5 year old, likely older then you so have some respect.

[brave hazel]

Dark types are a plague in singles.

[solid frigate]

rilla is a grass type rage powder does not affect grass types

[bitter heron]

Oh, I didnt notice, thanls!

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[solid frigate]

Drummer is just too obvious nickname for a rilla i was just guess it is rilla lol

[stone trellis]

Tailwind is a move that targets your own team.

Why would Dark types matter?

[woven pelican]

it's the same with other powder moves btw, grass types won't be affected by any powder move

[stone trellis]

Or Leech Seed.

[bitter heron]

Yes it was, im kinda new to VGC, didnt know these interactions with powder moves

[solid frigate]

or anyone with safety goggles

[brave hazel]

Prankster tailwind user, using it just for that isn’t worth the single space

[bitter heron]

Thank u guys

[solid frigate]

you'll learn more when you play

[brave hazel]

Grim has trash speed to do anything out side of prankster

[stone trellis]

If you think the only thing Whimsicott can do is use Tailwind, you are sorely mistaken.

[solid frigate]

that thing is a demon

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[brave hazel]

Whim has prankster ?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

And so do Tornadus and Thundurus.

[solid frigate]

still tho its one of my favourite pokemon just because bro is cute

[woven pelican]

whim is an absolute menace

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-plush-spin-spinning-funny-gif-12700965544903440872

[stone trellis]

Whimsicott is arguably the best Prankster support because it's the fastest one AND it gets the combo of Taunt + Encore + Tailwind.

[woven pelican]

i only knew the power behind whim when i played a random battle and got a whim
I believe i won that round purely because of whim

and well, quiver volcarona

[brave hazel]

Does it have sleep ? Or t wave ?

[stone trellis]

The only one who's technically faster is Big Six alumnus Talonflame.

[solid frigate]

volcarona goes hard

[woven pelican]

i love volca

[stone trellis]

No.

[solid frigate]

yeah bro is such a vibe

[stone trellis]

But Taunt + Encore may as well put the opponent to sleep.

Also, I love Tera Grass Rage Powder Volcarona because that thing makes Urshifu weep.

[solid frigate]

man remember when urshifu run goggles

in reg F i think lol

[stone trellis]

Sounds like a mild nightmare.

[solid frigate]

it was suppose to be a amoonguss insurance anyway

cuz rocky helm amogus is a thing

[knotty mirage]

And endeavor the thing that always piss me off when playing cart ladder

[stone trellis]

Endeavor's a physical move, right?

This is (one of the reasons) why people run Tera Ghost.

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah but who run tera ghost on caly ice

[solid frigate]

practically no one

[real prairie]

trick room too if you really want to play silly buggers with people

focus sash trick room whims is evil

[stone trellis]

You play Icy?

[stone trellis]

To reverse it?

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah

[real prairie]

its a double bluff, people lead expecting TW and end up getting TR'd

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/work-out-together-arnold-schwarzenegger-handshake-predator-gif-12724738

[stone trellis]

Fire.

[real prairie]

its not common, but its used when there is a TW face off

Opponent TW to try and get the speed advantage and you TR

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/3EHStc0PO6s?si=WV9lc585o-696U29

[brave hazel]

Wanted to put together a sp attack dragonite under rain in a dream ball & legit caught one with the rainy mark, like go figure

Hurricane & thunder have 100% accuracy under rain yeah ?

[hasty edge]

yes

[stone trellis]

They do.

[brave hazel]

For a sp attacking dragonite
Should I max sp attack & health ? Or health & sp defence/defence

As for moves

Thunder
Hurricane
Rain dance
T wave / extreme speed

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2431069911

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833

[waxen dock]

i continue losing because of focus blast missing

just make it 100 bp and 90 accuracy

is it that hard?

[stone trellis]

I got every turn right.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2431075131

Magearna dying to Life Orb recoil wasn't even planned.

[near crag]

I recon it's pretty generic, but any ideas for this team? https://pokepast.es/9cae168b204e969d Maybe switch some stuff up, but idk what would be necessary.

[stone trellis]

Looks pretty fun.

Why is Gholdengo holding the Metal Coat?

[near crag]

for luna to have lorb

[stone trellis]

Can't it hold any other items?

[near crag]

it's pretty standard for luna to hold vest, and dengo lorb, but idk about not having protect, and the damage reduction

[cyan smelt]

i just made a dumb meme team for reg h lol

[stone trellis]

I genuinely need help with making a team for the Grand Challenge.

[cyan smelt]

well i'm bad at team building so i don't really know what to use

[stone trellis]

I can help.

[cyan smelt]

atm i'm trying bulldoze annihilape with wp metagross with hammer arm, with tr indeedee

[stone trellis]

Hell, we can both use the team like I planned to do with @short quiver before he switched up.

[near crag]

wasn't that some pledge stuff with meowscarada?

[stone trellis]

Entirely different team.

That was a meme team I wanted to use on ladder.

[near crag]

I'm also kinda lost on what I'm gonna use in the gc too, ngl

[stone trellis]

I am really invested in Scarf Typhlosion with sun.

[near crag]

got like four decentish teams I could use, but I'm not rly feeling them

[near crag]

that fkn rocks ngl

I werent able to do any good stuff with it yet

[stone trellis]

It's really powerful, it outspeeds everything not named Psychic Seed Sneasler or Jumpluff/Hisuian Lilligant and it's really valuable in CTS because of Frisk.

[near crag]

You're running whims or jumpluff/torkoal?

[stone trellis]

I'm rocking more with Jumpluff/Torkoal, if I'm being honest.

But I can see myself using Whimsicott too.

[near crag]

I'm using https://pokepast.es/75a84d3142bc4131 rn a bit, but it's rly braindead

[stone trellis]

One of the reasons I run Scarf on Typhlosion is to guarantee that it'll always outspeed Dragapult without the need for Tailwind.

[near crag]

For some reason I can't think of the four other mons for the life of me when I'm using whims typhlosion

[stone trellis]

What do you mean?

[near crag]

I just get stuck there. Two mons in the builder, and nothing else seems rly right

[stone trellis]

I'll help you then.

[near crag]

appreciate it

[real prairie]

this a singles set?

if so id recommend eject pack politoed into Dnite

[brave hazel]

Definitely gonna use this

[real prairie]

then you don't need rain dance and can use the slot for an actual Dragon move

[timber falcon]

im so confused

why is arceus in compet now

and is there a limit to the amount of mythicals/restricted anymore?#

[cyan smelt]

2 restricted/mythicals, reg j allows mythicals

[timber falcon]

interesting... thanks for the info

[strange juniper]

https://championships.pokemon.com/en-us/about/2026-season-changes

[stone trellis]

Reg K?

The fuck is that going to be?

[strange juniper]

K?? that's H my friend

[stone trellis]

It said "as well as the subsequent Regulation from December until the launch of Pokemon Champions".

So it's either a rerun of I or something new entirely.

[strange juniper]

oh yeah i forgot how much back H is what would K even be yeah

[stone trellis]

It might just be Reg I round 2.

[lean ridge]

Quad restricted 🔥

[stone trellis]

VGC 2010 all over again?

Damn.

What would the best restricted quartet even be?

Dual bikes, Icy and Lunala?

[real prairie]

K could be no tera

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

FUCK WHY DOESN'T IT EMBED

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-gif-9875677717620262384

[bold geode]

Hopefully nonexistent honestly

We're at a massive dead point tbh and like
The only thing keeping it alive at least officially is the fact that the format for official events is one that is generally liked more than others

Will say though as a Limitless TO, this actually be giving community held tours fat attendance

[real prairie]

In saying that, I love Reg H but fuck me is it harder to team build for

[bold geode]

Yeah
Though you still have common threats and can deduce things easy

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/rizabeth373/status/1961392329878847955

Érizabeth (@rizabeth373)

やっっといいとこの内定もらえた🥹🥹就活終了！😙

X · Aug 29, 2025, 11:35 AM

[cyan smelt]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2431157631

[chrome knot]

a format has to be played from December - Champs Release

[cyan smelt]

this team is pretty funny, gimmicky but funny

[chrome knot]

so itll most likely be something either rly unfun or a rerun

until we change games

[cyan smelt]

hopefully they don't release champions too soon to take away the shine from PLZA like they did with PLA and BDSP

[chrome knot]

??

[cyan smelt]

PLA and BDSP were released same year

[chrome knot]

no release it asap so we can go back to regular formats i rly dont care😭

[dense latch]

champions is not gonna take away any of plza's spotlight

[foggy lodge]

LZA doesn't overlap with champions

LZA is purely focused as a pokemon casual game because it doesn't have competitive

Champions is purely competitive

https://x.com/Whit_Edit/status/1961444272281882996

Whit 🎥 Video Editor (@Whit_Edit)

24 Hours from now will be the premiere of WolfeyVGC's EUIC video - everyone on the team has worked very hard over the past 6 months to make it as good as possible. We hope you enjoy :)

X · Aug 29, 2025, 3:02 PM

LET'S GOO

[dense latch]

so hyped

[red willow]

Is Sneasler Rilla Incin Dnite Gholdengo and Bm Ursa a decent reg h balance team?

What Im thinking of queing for gc with

Is that too much fake out tho

[bold geode]

I imagine definitely after December but like
You think there's a world where they just don't do events in December

[foggy lodge]

Really good

https://x.com/abyssal_ruins/status/1961462415255621981?s=46&t=TEkiUDPBcRganEhxWj43Ag

Abyssal Ruins (@Abyssal_Ruins)

🗣️NOVEDADES EN LOS TORNEOS ONLINE

▶️ Se reducen el número de CPs distribuidos en los GCs

▶️ El límite de mejores resultados (BFL) asciende a 4.

▶️ Tendremos Grandes Desafíos (Grand Challenge) en septiembre, octubre, noviembre, enero y mayo

X · Aug 29, 2025, 4:14 PM

[solid frigate]

man

[real prairie]

technically no, but were released within a year of each other. one was Nov the other was Feb, so very close by but not in the same year.

but thats just me being Anal

[waxen dock]

Can you translate?

[real prairie]

championship points returning to the previous format

[waxen dock]

Oh man the new gc is much worse for me

Wdym 2nd place get co only if there are 8 players

Do it like normal that we need 4players for 2nd place

Anf 9 for 1-4 and 17 for top 8

[cyan smelt]

ok this team is not good, i've lost 6 in a row

i hate lower ladder man

[rustic mountain]

pog

[next stump]

thank fuck they’re nerfing GCs

[short quiver]

the team didnt work the way i wanted it to so i swapped some team members

[waxen dock]

Why?

[short quiver]

is that not how competitions work? you alter and change your team until you find the one for you

[next stump]

I think it’s kinda weird that you can earn large chunks of a world invite playing online BO1 CTS when all tournaments and worlds is BO3 OTS

if GCs were open teamsheet, I’d have super little issue with them

[short quiver]

it should have a thing like Showdown where you could agree to allow open teamsheet

i think thats a neat feature

[stone trellis]

Cool.

I just don't like your current team.

[short quiver]

well

the old one doesnt work for me

i tried to make it work

[stone trellis]

I get that.

Still won't make it feel good to me.

[lean ridge]

gonna try playing this gc for fun as my first ever vgc tournament, was curious if i should try building something with a lot of surprises since its CTS or just look at popular teams and build smthn similar to those

[stone trellis]

Build something strong.

Surprises wear off and can be beaten with good enough plays.

[lean ridge]

yea ive been doing some research on the strongest mons in reg H and i have a decent idea of whats good, should the movesets and items also be standard as well?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, why not?

[lean ridge]

im not very experienced in playing obv but wouldnt the opponents knowing my item and moveset in cts be a disadvantage?

or are they optimized so much that even them knowing still makes it the best

[cyan smelt]

god i suck

[dense latch]

it’s not worth it to use a suboptimal item just because your opponent may know what you’re using

plus the same applies to you

[rustic mountain]

i think on the flipside it almost seems not worth it to slog through a weekend of gc games for such little payout for anything not top 8

[red willow]

Does cc from sneasler ohko arch if it hasnt had a boost? Haven't played much reg h

[next stump]

for sure, I think it’s so bad now that you can probably qualify for worlds without them

which to me is a better system but I know others view it differently

like you’ll need multiple top 8 finishes to have meaningful points

[short quiver]

so i shouldn’t bother with the GC?

[bold geode]

Bro I saw it
That's really a drop off, how much did GCs give 1st before

Idt it's even worth the grind now

Might as well just not do as many

[next stump]

I think they gave like 200-300 before

[next stump]

Are you aiming to go to worlds this year?

[short quiver]

if i can yes id like to attend worlds 26

[next stump]

then yes you should definitely play them, they’re just not as important and it’s okay to have some bad ones

[bold geode]

Thats such a downgrade though

Like sure the amount was crazy but did they really need to tone it down that much

[next stump]

yes but selfishly I hated them so a strong nerf is really good for me

[short quiver]

🫠 i gotta start the grind for my team

[next stump]

like I made worlds with like 2 top 128s and a couple top 256s

[bold geode]

Cuz people already don't like the GCs so like
If it basically matters way less like that then what's making competitive players play in them to qualify unless they're one of the players that need those 75 points to just barely walk by the line

[next stump]

that’s soooooo bad

[bold geode]

I think like
100 for 1st at least right

[next stump]

as shitty as it sounds, I think the IRL circuit should account for at least 90% of an invite

[short quiver]

how many points do you need to qualify for worlds

[bold geode]

Oh absolutely but like idk
It's just a huge shot considering it was like possibly 300 for 1st before
That's literally a quarter now

[short quiver]

also worlds 2026 power scaling should be pretty low right with Champions just coming out

[dense latch]

depends on region and age division

[short quiver]

im 19 east usa 😃

[dense latch]

i don’t remember what the cutoff was for NA masters but it was probably somewhere around 1000 CP?

[short quiver]

😨

[bold geode]

Honestly like
The only reason such a nerf is really valid imo is if they're actually like
Keeping the frequency up

[dense latch]

yea i just checked it was 950-1000ish

maybe 900 with the auto invites

[bold geode]

Also like
@next stump low-key how many people were actually hard carried by GCs?

[short quiver]

i got work cut out for me this year 🫠

and my first worlds will be in the masters division thats scary by itself

[bold geode]

Like idk how many people were carried by GCs
I know some people carried themselves via locals in past seasons, no offense to anyone but like

[dense latch]

you have to rank in the top 80 of your region (NA, Asia, Europe etc) to qualify

i think they changed it from 75 to 80 for next season but i might be wrong

[next stump]

last season NA was 950ish with Yotam

and yes you’re right they added 5 spots

[dense latch]

my only hope to qualify for worlds is to win a special event i can’t travel to any lol

[short quiver]

what would my “region” be 🫠

just east america?

[dense latch]

north america

[next stump]

I don’t think many players got carried by GCs but I’d have to check the sheet and see people’s finishes

[dense latch]

it’s not separated by areas of the US

[short quiver]

i need top 80 in my entire country?????? 😭

im so cooked

[next stump]

canada included hahaha

[short quiver]

IM SO COOKED 😭

[next stump]

so like top 60ish US

[dense latch]

they’re these

[short quiver]

“yep, we are cooked chat, we are absolutely cooked” ~Caseoh

[dense latch]

qualifying for worlds is as hard as it’s ever been

[short quiver]

i have to compete with my entire country AND Canada

thats a daunting task to say the least

[bold geode]

Yeah idk but like
Bro I remember in 2024 season right where we had the 500 CP gap

I'd see players
Not even make Day 2 at a singular event right

[short quiver]

right? 🥺

[bold geode]

But they'd still qualify cuz they went to like 40+ locals like bruh wtf

[next stump]

yeah hahaha 2023 was 300CP 2024 was 500CP

crazy to think back

so easy to make it

[dense latch]

there’s gonna be megas in the first champions regulation iirc

[short quiver]

fuck.

[bold geode]

Like sure locals are irl events too but like
They shouldn't count for 90% of that 90%

[short quiver]

mega chandelure please be good

[bold geode]

Personally I would've liked them to just keep raising the CP gap but like with what they're doing now I see why they got the spot gap

They can probably improve on it for sure but like
It's not as horrible

[short quiver]

Qualifying for world to be especially difficult because I am also employed

🫠

[next stump]

VGC is weird because I think almost every player I can think of has a job or is in school

[bold geode]

Honestly Dillon call me crazy but
You think they could buff locals a smidge now

[next stump]

not really any pros that no life the game

I would loveeeeee a locals buff

[short quiver]

well, you also gotta remember I’m still new to the competitive scene

[bold geode]

That's the thing like
Going into 2025 they nerfed locals too hard and now imo they're nerfing GCs a bit hard
I think they could tweak locals a bit now and maybe even the GCs but like

[dense latch]

i NEED a locals buff

[bold geode]

I think tweaking those depends on frequencies

[short quiver]

heres to praying mega chandelure is good and mega eternal flower floette is permabanned

[bold geode]

Like for GC, it depends on how many they're gonna hold in a season like are they gonna keep monthly and locals will depend on how many in a season you actually allow

[short quiver]

wouldnt eternal flower floette technically be a mythical pokemon 🤔

[next stump]

I wish the GC was replaced by a players cup

[bold geode]

That would actually be pretty nice

Or actually idk
I like the GCs but I would propose like
2 Grand, 2 Global, 2 Players Cups and make the other 2 GCs like they are now and make the 2 Players Cups the big payouts

[short quiver]

how do you guys think i can make this the best team i can for the gc
https://pokepast.es/952c0785e21e34a2

its essentially eriksps old team i just removed the pledges

[bold geode]

I would use the Pledges
Swamp from Grass + Water is busted as fuck

[stone trellis]

Why is Whims Modest?

Who do you kill?

[short quiver]

idk ask eriksp 😃

[short quiver]

a random unassuming dragon

[bold geode]

You know
If you're gonna take a team from someone or even soreads

[dense latch]

yea idk either this was almost a year ago

[short quiver]

noted

[stone trellis]

Hydreigon?

[bold geode]

It's usually a good idea to ask said person what the team/spreads do if you can

[dense latch]

im aware that it’s outdated

[stone trellis]

I have a bit of a dilemma.

[short quiver]

i would if i had any idea what i was asking

[short quiver]

i would like to ask why whim is modest

[bold geode]

Just ask "what does the spreads do"
Ez

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, I can use Maushold.

If only Pop Bomb could actually do something for my own team...

Oh well.

[bold geode]

Better to have some sort of explanation than none
Cuz then you can ask more questions about said explanation and can actually understand it

Fuck Pokemon

The best weapon you can have in VGC

Is knowledge

[dense latch]

it should be timid these spreads aren’t great

[short quiver]

could i ask what you think i should edit them to

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-aeon-cosmin-pudskeesh-gif-10144531927452446339

[dense latch]

i probably have a better spread for prim i can share

[short quiver]

Nous spotted

[stone trellis]

Is Safety Goggles Maushold good?

[dense latch]

Primarina @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 228 HP / 188 Def / 28 SpA / 4 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast
• Haze
• Protect

this is what i used when i ran pult sneasler

you can do goggles farig

https://youtu.be/gOYcAfKqhGs?si=XCUlfRMk7YMqlwBD also i think this vid is prob a nice resource for most

[short quiver]

im readding the pledge moves apparently the swamp is insane

[stone trellis]

I need a redirector who doesn't block my own Dragonite's Extreme Speed (so Indeedee is out) and can also be immune to Spore (which rules out Clefairy as it mostly just holds the Eviolite) while also not adding another Ground weakness to my team (eliminating Electabuzz).

[short quiver]

water pledge would replace haze right

[short quiver]

clefable crying itself to sleep

[solid frigate]

amogus literally exists unless you want to also redirect grass types

[stone trellis]

Putting Amoonguss in sun is kinda...

[stone trellis]

Clefable doesn't have Friend Guard.

[solid frigate]

man if only the certain past mushroom is legal /j

[short quiver]

no, but it can have safety goggles

[solid frigate]

but like Amogus on sun team is fine

[stone trellis]

The whole point is to have a way of keeping my team safe from Spore.

Which is mostly used by Grass types.

[stone trellis]

I know.

[solid frigate]

ig maushold is the only option

[short quiver]

is there a spore user who can imprison other spore users? oh wait! yes! its name is smeargle

[stone trellis]

Not using Smeargle.

You can't make me.

[short quiver]

its a good idea though

[dense latch]

goggles maushold is fine but it’s not nearly as bulky as other redirectors

what’s the team first of all

[short quiver]

gives you follow me, spore, AND stops other spore users

[stone trellis]

Me and @near crag made a team with Torkoal, Whimsicott, Typhlosion, Garchomp, Dnite and something else.

That final slot is what I need to figure out.

I need Garchomp to hit the Fire and Rock types who don't really take much damage from the rest of the team, as well as Dragonite for bullying Sneasler.

[dense latch]

so just joeux9 sun but whim over jumpluff

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I'm not a very creative person.

[short quiver]

basically a revamped of the team
i was gonna use

before i just kinda took yours

[near crag]

We might as well use kingambit

[stone trellis]

But I at least added the Choice Scarf to Typhlosion so it can always be faster than Scarf Basculegion and Dragapult.

[stone trellis]

For what purpose?

[dense latch]

it’s the last mon in joe’s team

both torkoal and gambit are tera flying to play around the ground weaknesses

[near crag]

Yeah

[dense latch]

• synergy with eq chomp

[stone trellis]

And to enable Garchomp, right?

I was right.

Hold on, how well does Amoonguss take +2 Tera Dark Black Glasses Kowtow Cleave?

[near crag]

Alright, mb

[stone trellis]

For what?

[forest arrow]

Safety goggles gambit is an option too

[near crag]

The tera option

[forest arrow]

Set up gambit doesn’t necessarily NEED black glasses

[stone trellis]

Oh.

Yeah, you're right.

[dense latch]

it doesn’t

[stone trellis]

Excellent.

[dense latch]

half the format doesn’t

[near crag]

Also, we could try to go for that psyspam idea from earlier, with male indeedee

[stone trellis]

EWWWWW

PSYSPAM?

[near crag]

Hate the game, don’t hate the player

Should help us tho

[bold geode]

Assault Vest Swords Dance

[forest arrow]

Only real ones know the sauce

[rustic mountain]

lol

[stone trellis]

Shit, that sounds fire.

(I'm fried)

[rustic mountain]

gambit is top 5 for reg h

[bold geode]

WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

[forest arrow]

I love gambit, definitely a contender for top 5

[rustic mountain]

ursa bm, gambit, arch, dengo, sneasler,
dnite is fringe top 5

[near crag]

Uhh you switch on a knock off and have a free turn… positioning is key.

[forest arrow]

Yeah fs, I was about to say that

Those 5 are just monsters

[rustic mountain]

yea

[forest arrow]

Or 6 actually

[rustic mountain]

meta is warped around those guys for sure dnite included

[stone trellis]

I love Arch players, because they genuinely think it's taking Tera Fire Modest Eruption in the sun.

[forest arrow]

I love that calc lol

[rustic mountain]

if u dont have atleast 1 of those on ur team u better have an insanely good reason

[forest arrow]

Good thing my team has 4 of them

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[forest arrow]

lol

[rustic mountain]

i have 2

[forest arrow]

I’m playing Dug really enjoyable for me

[stone trellis]

Modest specifically because it still outspeeds Pult and can guarantee an OHKO with Shadow Ball.

[rustic mountain]

dug is very strong

[stone trellis]

Oh, you mean DUG?

I thought you meant Dugtrio.

[forest arrow]

Yeah DUGtrio is lit

[stone trellis]

FUCK

[rustic mountain]

dugtrio meta confirmed

[stone trellis]

Dugrio 💔

[near crag]

The other perish trap is coming

[rustic mountain]

i was facing quite a bit of perish the other day

[forest arrow]

I didn’t know AV Luna was actually good until using it

Like you miss KOs with bloodmoon but vacuum wave usually picks up

[rustic mountain]

trade offs cuz ur surviving a lot of stuff u otherwise wouldnt

[stone trellis]

• Lot of HP? ✅
• Mediocre Sp. Def that makes it just short of properly tanky normally? ✅
• Lot of great attacking moves it wants to click? ✅

It's pretty perfect for AV.

[forest arrow]

yeah fs, I just always wrote it off

[near crag]

Idk why everyone thinks they are wolfe. You’re not gonna be able to perish trap

[forest arrow]

stuck with life orb most of the time

But I respect it now

[rustic mountain]

idk man id say av isnt exactly an item that jumps out wen u think of ursaluna, even now its still not widespread

[stone trellis]

I respect it, but I still OHKO it.

[forest arrow]

Yeah you really wanna blow stuff up when you think of Luna, it took adjusting for sure cause I was so used to Ohkos with bloodmoon

But living MIRs makes it okay

[stone trellis]

All this talk and I still don't have a definitive final team member.

Do I go with Gambit or redirection?

[forest arrow]

I say try gambit cause flying gambit is nice syngery with chomp, and if you still find some trouble, try the maushold idea

[stone trellis]

Aight.

I just hope I'll do well in the GC.

Not even for the Championship Points, just for the love of the game.

[short quiver]

peak musical experience

[forest arrow]

I feel you, I’m still not 100% on my team yet for next week

[stone trellis]

So Kowtow, Iron Head, Sucker Punch and Protect with Safety Goggles and Tera Flying, right?

[forest arrow]

Are you goggles or Av

[stone trellis]

Probably Goggles, but I might go AV.

[forest arrow]

Goggles you can do Tera dark set up, or just iron head kowtow sucker and defensive Tera, AV is Kowtow Sucker Low kick Tera blast

[stone trellis]

I'll try both.

AV seems more enticing.

Tera Flying on AV, right?

[forest arrow]

Yeah

Let’s you hit the grass types and use EQ on Chomp freely and of course gambits fighting weakness

[bold geode]

No Incineroar smfh

[forest arrow]

wAsHeD mOn

[bold geode]

Wash deez nuts

[solid frigate]

ha gottem

[rustic mountain]

"yo incin gna change the game guys look im monke"

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/b3303a8a43625f37

[bold geode]

HEY FUCK YOU

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Incineroar goated

[solid frigate]

lmao

[bold geode]

Hey bro
Champions
Them megas can't hold a Clear Amulet just sayin

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-goat-is-washed-gif-16455088871344437051

[forest arrow]

No guard Mega Dragonite laughs in draco meteor

[rustic mountain]

incin is goated but hes not warping the meta the same way those other guys do, hes more like the mon keeping a lot of those guys honest + enabling them in certain cases

[stone trellis]

Should Torkoal be Tera Flying or should I keep Tera Grass?

[solid frigate]

its not gonna warp the meta like it used to

Gen 7-8 Incin is more of a menace than now but its STILL BROKEN

[bold geode]

Yeah but we can't consider the mon that keeps shit from becoming an absolute freak show in the top 5?

[rustic mountain]

u could

i just didnt

[next stump]

have you tried choice band dragonite on that team? I think it’s extremely strong in CTS like the GC

everyone expects scale shot so they bring Incin to intimidate cycle it and they can get OHKOd by outrage depending on bulk

[bold geode]

No recognition
Incin really doing it for the love of the game ig

[stone trellis]

So what moves?

[forest arrow]

Hmm Tera flying is a consideration, I’ve never tried it

For torkoal

[stone trellis]

It's immune to Ground (eat shit BM) and it can also sit next to Chompy boy as it shakes the earth.

[solid frigate]

tera flying wuh-

[forest arrow]

I’d give it a shot

Joeux9 seen success with it

[stone trellis]

Crackhead meta call.

[next stump]

Outrage/E Speed/2 filler moves of your choice, usually a mix of low kick/ice spinner/aerial ace

[stone trellis]

What Tera?

[forest arrow]

Probably normal

[next stump]

normal

[forest arrow]

For Espeed

[solid frigate]

sure lol

[next stump]

I used whims/garchomp/dragonite at the beginning of reg H last time and it’s very strong

your worst enemy is Gholdengo but Garchomp loves that matchup

[rustic mountain]

nah dude i think incin genuinely the goat, im just weighing the top 5 a bit differently on things ur genuinely building ur team around to get going, incin isnt a centerpiece its a complimentary piece. whether u still value that role as something for consideration to be in ur top 5 is again ur choice

[next stump]

same with Typhlosion

[stone trellis]

What EVs do I run on it?

[forest arrow]

Typhlosion really shuts down the Ghold teams I feel, they really only have incin, if not on rain

[stone trellis]

And what ability?

[next stump]

inner focus - definitely max ATK and you can play around a bit with the speed

[rustic mountain]

when u have rain and incin

[next stump]

depends on if you want to utilize tailwind

[stone trellis]

I do.

[forest arrow]

Bro knows ball

[stone trellis]

What Speed tier do I even need to pass?

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Tree have you seen AV Incin?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-falling-gif-25674519

[next stump]

maybe hit like 118 or 119 spe for pelipper

and you’ll catch slow bulky Gholdengos and most Rillas

[rustic mountain]

in what sense? like yes ive played quite a few formats where av incin has existed

[forest arrow]

Have you seen it much this reg?

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[rustic mountain]

not really no

[forest arrow]

We were talking about av incin the other day

[stone trellis]

So the rest of the EVs go to HP?

[bold geode]

I heard some people have used it
I used it myself
It's pretty fucking gas

[next stump]

oh forgot that stomping is a great coverage move to cover for both Gholdengo and Incin

yeah rest in HP

[rustic mountain]

me wen i u turn out instead of parting shot:

[stone trellis]

Outrage can target your own team, right?

[rustic mountain]

no

[forest arrow]

No it’s just random target

of opponent

[next stump]

stole this from a high ladder game but this may end up being my pittsburgh team if testing goes well, I love this kinda archtype

[forest arrow]

Monkeeee

Av incin!

[rustic mountain]

lmao

look wat uve done dillon

all good mons tho

[stone trellis]

Time to make the weasel plead for its life.
https://pokepast.es/71389a0bf85d8ad8

[next stump]

LOL

yeah it’s basically just god tier pokemon thrown on one team

[teal kraken]

can anyone help me to build an competitive team

[rustic mountain]

nice balance-tailwind esque hybrid so offers some variety on how u wanna play given the mu

[next stump]

my main problem when I ran it last year was Nintetales was everywhereeeee

[stone trellis]

My team or Dillon's team?

[rustic mountain]

dillon

[stone trellis]

Makes sense.

[rustic mountain]

yea a9 does seem annoying but its not completely out of ur favor, stuff like dengo incin and even sneasler can be effective at helping vs it

if its super common tho i feel the reluctance on having to deal w/ it so much tho but idk atleast in my reg h 2 experience so far it hasnt seemed overly used

[teal kraken]

what is an good team for competitive battles now

[rustic mountain]

for reg h or reg j?

[teal kraken]

the current one

not the upcoming

[rustic mountain]

weird time where we are about to have 2 formats technically at once

[teal kraken]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rustic mountain]

the one thats ending in 2 days?

[teal kraken]

yep

[rustic mountain]

reg i?

look at worlds teams

[teal kraken]

are the players already using teams for the upcoming reg

[serene moth]

Hi guys

[rustic mountain]

p much not many ppl care about reg i anymore

[dense latch]

no one’s really playing reg i anymore so most players are testing teams on showdown

[teal kraken]

oh, ok

[forest arrow]

It’s pretty much Reg H for comp players, and if you’re looking for fun the Reg J has ranked ladder on cart

[dense latch]

it’s not like you’re gonna find reg h teams in cart ladder though they just test elsewhere

[rustic mountain]

[teal kraken]

k

[rustic mountain]

they took reg h 2.0 cart from us guys never forget that

[teal kraken]

but what pokemons do yall recomend for the reg h?

[forest arrow]

Would be nice to play on my system and not showdown lol

Sneasler, Bloodmoon Ursaluna, Gholdengo, Archaludon, Dnite

[dense latch]

dnite, gholdengo, kingambit, sneasler and ursaluna bloodmon rule the format

[forest arrow]

Just to name the best ones

[dense latch]

and archaludon yeah

[rustic mountain]

spiderman meme moment

[dense latch]

they all function in a vast number of teams

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[teal kraken]

thx for the recommendations

[forest arrow]

Of course

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOYcAfKqhGs

[teal kraken]

nice

thx

[rustic mountain]

cant really use the codes for the ladder itself as mentioned but yea

[stone trellis]

I know it's low ladder, but this team might be the shit.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2431328310

[short quiver]

is white kyurem too fast for trick room

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

i think so 🫠

[craggy dagger]

@chrome knot emmaaaa
vancouver might not host an event this year for pokemon

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SwampVGC/status/1961451728919830867

Swamp (@SwampVGC)

who at tpci decided that top 32 of a gc was worth 10 more champ points than top 1024

X · Aug 29, 2025, 3:31 PM

[chrome knot]

its likely they arent bc seattle regional :<

[craggy dagger]

mhmmmm

they overlap in timing (of the usual schedule)

[bold geode]

Go to Seattle

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

maybe

[chrome knot]

i wont