competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

no i like the transition bit here

[polar canyon]

Mega ray is homophobic

[stone trellis]

Nah, that would be Ferrothorn.

[polar canyon]

There can be more than one homophobe

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

I just can't think of my GOAT being homophobic.

He's just an abusive parent, let him beat his children in peace.

[bold geode]

Nah
Actually Zamazenta is homophobic I'm sorry for using it

[polar canyon]

Rayquaza nullifies the effects groudon and kyogre bring

[chrome knot]

nuh uh i use zamazenta and he likes me he cant be homophobic

[stone trellis]

How does this affect VGC?

[bold geode]

But he killed that Gouging Fire

[chrome knot]

he WHAT

[stone trellis]

The interesting comparison is between CIR and CSR.

[polar canyon]

Gender fluid

[stone trellis]

CSR is a homophobe and CIR couldn't be more accepting of Indeedee and Hatterene.

[bold geode]

He was the one that took down that Gouging Fire Emma

[chrome knot]

i get it now lmfao

[bold geode]

DON'T SAY THE NAME HERE LMFAO

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[stone trellis]

?

[chrome knot]

the gouging fire sweep

with a super cool name

[stone trellis]

Is there some elite ball knowledge I'm missing?

[chrome knot]

yes

[bold geode]

I'm deleting that for reasons lol

[nocturne holly]

What spread does harc use

[stone trellis]

Use munchstats.

[chrome knot]

i already did lol

[bold geode]

Fly high 🫡

[polar canyon]

You can't just drop that and not explain it

[stone trellis]

"Fly high Rayquaza"
Rayquaza in 2016:

[bold geode]

In 2024 in some Smogon tier there was clips of a Gouging Fire with that nickname sweeping teams

[foggy lodge]

The moment where his heart broke

[bold geode]

So people on VGC Twitter were cheering on it

[stone trellis]

How does Zamazenta tie into this?

[bold geode]

Because a Zamazenta knocked it out

[bold geode]

I will say James Evans showed a great example that US also has its own big guns compared to EU region
The fact that mfer turned around that second game

Absolutely crazy

But James unfortunately lost on that second turn

Not that he choked or anything
Gio just made a play

I don't even think after that turn 2 that Koraidon even living the Shadow Ball and Heat Wave double up would've made a difference

[foggy lodge]

I think game 3 knock off into the flutter would have been better but I don't think it changed the match too much

But Gio just played perfectly to

[forest arrow]

Then chi Yu still outspeeds CSR

I think KO chi Yu was smart

[foggy lodge]

No he knocked off the Bonnet's sitrus

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Even then Gio still had his Koraidon and the Koraidon on James side would've had to take care of both Chi and Flutter

Or CSR would've needed a boost

[forest arrow]

oh game 3

My bad I’m talking game 2

[foggy lodge]

James' lead is always something more reactionary to what Gio can do and therefore he is forcing and cutting options off Gio

Like breaking sash knocking off the scarf of Chi Yu

[bold geode]

Yeah that's the thing like
Neither played bad there tbh, Gio just realized he could make a play and it paid off cuz James lost so much losing Bonnet like that and having Incin get slept

But that Game 2 comeback was hella impressive

[forest arrow]

That game 2 comeback was insane I didn’t see the out but he did it

[foggy lodge]

That fucking boardstate in game 3 endgame was crazy

All 4 mons were pointing at each other with a gun

Wait no it was game 2

Where the Koraidon had only one turn left

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge bro wtf is this turn of events
https://x.com/riopaser/status/1957856519879352728?t=lz1Vn-fPxENM78aS7MRxOA&s=19

Eric Rios (@riopaser)

Llego de Anaheim tras no tener uno de los mejores mundiales, decido pasar el día de hoy en Barcelona y se me caga una paloma en toda la cabeza.

La última vez que me pasó eso gané un regional, nos vemos en Frankfurt supongo.

X · Aug 19, 2025, 5:25 PM

Also I just realized that with Champions coming, Incineroar failed to win Worlds in SV
Washed cat

[bold geode]

@molten oasis here ya go buddy

[molten oasis]

washed cat

[foggy lodge]

WUAJDJD

I wish that could happen to m

[bold geode]

It's ok
Champions it's got it

[bold geode]

You want a bird to shit on you?

[foggy lodge]

Tbf Riopaser almost won a regional this year

[bold geode]

Translate the tweet I showed Max

[foggy lodge]

If that means I win a regional then yeah fa

[molten oasis]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Secrets the VGC left don't want you to know

Bird shit makes you good

[foggy lodge]

Bro Alex fumbled this worlds so bad😞😞😞

[bold geode]

Imma rub myself in bird feces before I enter the New Orleans convention center

[foggy lodge]

Did you see Yan Sym's top 8 at the sisterhood tournament

[bold geode]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

you're going to NAIC next year?

[bold geode]

Tbh idek

[molten oasis]

im gonna try to go to vegas

[bold geode]

I want to go but with the way my life is
I'm not gonna hold my breath

Just the cards I've been dealt

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoab/status/1957085924749086965

[molten oasis]

fair enough

i wonder what the format will be

[forest arrow]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6CUkFYQ/

[nocturne holly]

chat anyone got a dengo, harc, or sneasler spread

[red willow]

Whats a good duo restricted with ekiller arceus

For reg j

[stone trellis]

Probably CSR so you can hit Ghost types.

[red willow]

Thats fair

Would you still run shadow claw on ekiller if you are bringing csr as well p much every game?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, since it still needs some form of coverage.

[red willow]

Right on Extreme speed Swords Dance Shadow Claw Earthquake is what Im looking at right now in that case

[stone trellis]

You might need Protect.

[short quiver]

to get arceus in PLA i gotta complete the dex right

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I think you do.

[lean ridge]

Yep

Catch everything in the dex or transfer it in from another game

[short quiver]

SIGH

[stone trellis]

Good luck.

[short quiver]

thats what 400 pokemon?

[stone trellis]

I thought it was 240.

400 is the Paldea dex.

[lean ridge]

It’s around 236

You don’t need the mythicals for arceus

[short quiver]

idk i use the same 6 pokemon every time

in pla i mean

typhlosion zoroark glaceon pikachu staraptor empoleon

and i dont even like pikachu 😕

[lean ridge]

I’d recommend just catching the stuff u need in other games and moving them in

PLA has some stuff that’s very time consuming to find

[short quiver]

i already have an ursaluna

i have 2 actually

one of each form

[lean ridge]

It’s stuff like shieldon, weavile, PLA starters that are hard to get in PLA

[stone trellis]

Yo, is the regular Ursaluna low Speed?

[short quiver]

idk ill look for you

[stone trellis]

If not, can I get a 0 Speed Teddiursa and give it to you so you can evolve it into Ursaluna?

[stone trellis]

Thanks.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to naganohara_akira

[stone trellis]

SHUT THE FUCK UP ROTOM

[short quiver]

erm

[stone trellis]

Yeah?

[short quiver]

i didnt evolve the ursalunas i just caught them as ursalunas

idk how to actually evolve an ursaring into one

[stone trellis]

Google it.

[lean ridge]

It’s just an item in PLA

[short quiver]

ah….

[lean ridge]

Pretty annoying item to find if you don’t already have one

Do you need a min speed ursaluna @stone trellis ?

[short quiver]

and you want the regular form right?

[stone trellis]

Yep.

Also yes.

[lean ridge]

I think I have an extra one I’ll double check

[stone trellis]

Thank you so much.

[short quiver]

for his min speed calyrex that i gave him probably

[stone trellis]

You'll never let that go, will you?

[lean ridge]

Min speed caly is very annoying to hunt for it took me hours

[stone trellis]

All that for a shiny Basculegion.

Was it male or female?

[short quiver]

no i wont

[short quiver]

male thankfully

[gentle crag]

naganohara_akira has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[short quiver]

ROTOM

[dull haven]

Yelling at Rotom won't stop it lol

[short quiver]

it makes me feel better tho

[dull haven]

Rofl

[lean ridge]

I do have an extra if you want it @stone trellis

[short quiver]

took me what an hour

about 20 resets

[stone trellis]

I do.

Do you want anything for it?

[dull haven]

If trade, take to DMs please as this is not a trading channel

[lean ridge]

Yea I’ll dm u

[dull haven]

thank you for understanding

[lean ridge]

[nocturne holly]

How much bulk does CA harc run

[short quiver]

what 😭

[stone trellis]

He's asking about Clear Amulet Hisuian Arcanine.

[short quiver]

ah

[next stump]

https://x.com/pqlarbear/status/1957925588490207664?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Gio (@PqlarBear)

2025 Pokémon Video Game World Champion 🏆

X · Aug 19, 2025, 10:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/king-king-baldwin-king-baldwin-4-rikoamv-riko-amv-gif-8479237540916603760

[short quiver]

youre like 2 days too late gng

[next stump]

26 minute old tweet

[stone trellis]

He looks like the grown up version of that kid with a propeller hat they always show in cartoons.

[short quiver]

the chanpionships ended two days ago

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-5601038695216007548

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/mawile-pokemon-cute-happy-gif-21775459

[short quiver]

mawile my beloved

[stone trellis]

I don't know if I can post this here, but I'll delete it if I can't.

It's like Urshifu without Unseen Fist, it's cooked.

[short quiver]

i dont care they took huge power away

im using mega mawile anyways

[dense latch]

such a well deserved win

i gotta watch those finals again man

[short quiver]

they should bring the other type gems back too

[dense latch]

maybe they’ll code in some of the abilities that megas need to thrive like they did with slow start and regigigas

[short quiver]

so just double mawiles attack for instance

stats were weird in PLA

[dense latch]

they have no purpose with zmoves around

[short quiver]

wait what

za is bringing back zmoves too????

[dense latch]

champions is

[short quiver]

get out

i want mega mawile for my PZA play through not for the champions twin

i want mega mawile FUNCTIONAL in ZA

[short quiver]

im fighting everyone i see

[short quiver]

thats not in za twin 🥀

it doesnt solve my problem

[next stump]

ZA isn’t a comp game

[dense latch]

i was talking about the type gems you brought up

[short quiver]

i KNOW that

[dense latch]

which wouldnt really make sense in za

[short quiver]

i was referring to competitive play for the gems

[dense latch]

and when exactly could those be added back in for competitive play

champions

[short quiver]

when they add mega evolution

[dense latch]

aka champions

[short quiver]

they added gems in gen 5 and mega evolutions in gen 6

whats stopping them from
adding both to champions

[dense latch]

because zmoves are basically just gems and zmoves are already planned to come out in champions

[dull ibex]

What gems

[short quiver]

but i cant use mega and zmoves in the same formats can i

[short quiver]

the type gems from gen5

[dull ibex]

No one knows

[dense latch]

i mean usum formats had both

[dull ibex]

Oh those will make it in for sure

[short quiver]

true

[stone trellis]

The Gems were held items in Gen 5 that increased the power of their type's move by 50% once per battle and were then consumed.

[short quiver]

but now they also gotta factor tera and dynamax

[dense latch]

they’ll likely allow only some per format to prevent insanity

[short quiver]

i love how they nerfed the soul dew item but buffed luster purge and mist ball

[short quiver]

imagine the chaos if we had all 4

*5 the gems were gen 5s gimmick

[chrome knot]

@bold geode thoughts on Our Time from the worlds soundtrack?

[dense latch]

zmoves and gem boosted moves do around the same damage, but gems have the added benefit that they only activate if the move connects

so you don’t waste your gem if they hit a protect or miss

idk if they have much of a reason to bring those back alongside zmoves

[bold geode]

Ome question about it

Who tf was that performing it LMAO

[short quiver]

i mean we still have the normal gem in SV when we will be getting the normalium z 🤷‍♂️

[chrome knot]

Michelle Ray & Cam Steady?

[bold geode]

I have no clue who those people are

[chrome knot]

michelle ray has such a beautiful voice

the live performance was vrry good

[short quiver]

z moves break through protect (partially)

[stone trellis]

They had a really funny interaction with Acrobatics, where the Flying Gem boosted Acrobatics' power by 50%, then Acrobatics' power was also doubled because the Flying Gem was consumed.

So in the end, your Tornadus was firing off a 165 BP Acrobatics.

Amoonguss saw the light of God that day.

[short quiver]

we temporarily had a viable flying move

[dull ibex]

We do now

[stone trellis]

You know, aside from fucking Dragon Ascent.

[short quiver]

light that burns the sky did that anyways

[stone trellis]

It didn't do much, it just let a Pokemon win Worlds.

[short quiver]

damn i miss ultra necrozma

[dull ibex]

Bleakwind is great

[short quiver]

yeah thats a signature move it doesnt solve the flying problem

aeroblast is a signature move, bleakwind storm is too, dragon ascent is, even FLYING PRESS is

[stone trellis]

We need something that is widely distributed and somewhere in that 85-95 BP range.

[short quiver]

yes

[stone trellis]

Drill Peck isn't optimal.

Since it's only on bird mons.

[short quiver]

which sucks for nonbirds

[stone trellis]

Sadly, yeah.

[short quiver]

i wanna use skarmory so bad but its only good stat is defense

and i dont wanna be a stall player i wanna actually attack people

its such a shame

such a cool mon locked behind being from gen 2

[lean ridge]

It does have access to body press so it can do damage

And iron defense

[short quiver]

😃

[stone trellis]

Can it do anything else?

[lean ridge]

Set up spikes

[short quiver]

omg trueeeee

[stone trellis]

In doubles?

[lean ridge]

Skarmory should never be used in doubles

[short quiver]

even more reason for me to do it

[craggy dagger]

no pokemon is unusable in doubles

[bold geode]

I'd have to listen to it again tbh
I was too busy Sunday morning tryna figure out who Michelle was

[short quiver]

and everything is usable at the same time

[dull ibex]

@bold geode bich

[craggy dagger]

that’s what i said?

[short quiver]

🙂

[stone trellis]

Discord users' MU into reading comprehension is like CSR 1V1ing an AV Incineroar and neither can Tera.

[short quiver]

skarmory isnt very fast either so i cant even do anything with that

[craggy dagger]

no pokemon is unusable in doubles = everything is usable

[lean ridge]

Anything is usable if u wanna use it but skarmory in doubles and winning games probably doesn’t mix very well

[bold geode]

You

[dull ibex]

I don't think EVERYTHING is usable

[short quiver]

🙂

[dull ibex]

Magikarp and luv disc suck

[dull ibex]

Wyd

[lean ridge]

Wooper is usable

[short quiver]

someone should use luvdisc just to prove you wrong

[bold geode]

Working

[dull ibex]

Cringe

[craggy dagger]

you’re talking to someone who uses those kind of pokemon for a living

[lean ridge]

Luvdisc can actually do something tbh

[short quiver]

i used meowscarada and latias in reg i i love suboptimal mons

[stone trellis]

People when they realise that they can start liking strong Pokemon once they actually use them instead of restricting themselves to using shitmons because "muh Karen quote":

[lean ridge]

Entrainment swift swim

[short quiver]

yeah i know

[craggy dagger]

i use both

[short quiver]

that doesnt disprove my argument that skarmory has a really cool design

[stone trellis]

I never argued against that.

It's an A-tier mon, no doubts about it.

[dull ibex]

I would love to use suboptimal mons

[stone trellis]

As do I.

[dull ibex]

My favorite is suboptimal

[craggy dagger]

sameeeee

[stone trellis]

The first team which got me to Master Ball had Coaching Iron Valiant and Assault Vest Groudon, I love unusual shit.

[short quiver]

my favorite died optimally in reg c. meowscarada how they have wronged you i shall keep using you anyways in good faith

[craggy dagger]

latias and glaceon

[stone trellis]

I just realised why I hate CSR so much.

[short quiver]

latias and meowscarada for me

[lean ridge]

I was using plusle for most of reg G

[short quiver]

peak

[craggy dagger]

glaceon is super fun to use-
kinda better spatk articuno so…

[stone trellis]

So around the latter half of Reg G's second run, I came across a cool-looking set that had Tera Grass Giga Drain CSR in it.

[dull ibex]

Samurott my son 😔

[short quiver]

unovan or hisuian

[dull ibex]

Yes

[short quiver]

understandable have a nice day

[stone trellis]

And I was facing down a Choice Band Urshifu who had Poison Jab as coverage for Tera Fairy CSR.

I immediately lost the game.

[lean ridge]

Yea I’ve run into that set a good amount on ladder

[stone trellis]

Since then, I avoid CSR like the plague because remembering that shit genuinely makes my blood vessels want to do a Dreamybull and blow.

[dull ibex]

My second favorite is viable though

[craggy dagger]

latest team

https://pokepast.es/909a11c295fe31f9

but also wtf was i cooking here

https://pokepast.es/58728921f08a9480

lati calydow zacian gapdos

[stone trellis]

Are these nicknames a reference to something?

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[stone trellis]

No U-turn on the Choice Scarf mon is wild 💔

[short quiver]

pipebomb spotted (thats my archaludons name)

[craggy dagger]

didn’t really need it tbh

[tiny karma]

Move: Thunderous Kick

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Are they characters in a game?

[short quiver]

100% chance is crazy

[craggy dagger]

nope
just some vtubers

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[craggy dagger]

it issss
and it works well with zacian lmao

as well as defiant boosts cuz screw incin

Emma!!

[stone trellis]

We need more Defiant Fighting and/or Water types.

[chrome knot]

whaa

hai im back home now

[short quiver]

my zacian team is so cursed

[craggy dagger]

yayyyy
glad you got back safely

[stone trellis]

Why, where does she live?

The hood?

Oh right, trans person in the US in 2025.

[chrome knot]

what😭

[chrome knot]

thanksies ^-^ i took a buncha meds so this fever can go away

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to starblessed_owl

[craggy dagger]

what?

am i not allowed to just be happy that someone had a safe flight from one place to another

[stone trellis]

I only know one VTuber and that's because of the "Jesus, Jesus, Japanesus" song.

[lofty tartan]

I always ask my wife to be safe no matter what she's doing or where she's going. She's not trans and we don't live in an area with a lot of crime. It's just kindness.

[craggy dagger]

make sure to still be cozied up and drink warm water or ginger tea

[lofty tartan]

Also car accidents are out of nowhere D:

[stone trellis]

Speaking of car accidents, all the drivers where I live are morons.

[lofty tartan]

That's pretty much everywhere

[chrome knot]

im melting under blankies rn ^-^

[short quiver]

thats just drivers everywhere

[lofty tartan]

Still coming to Pitt? 😄

[stone trellis]

Yeah, fair point.

[chrome knot]

nooo :( kat and I are gonna skip that one and go to Milwaukee and have a bigger trip together after it

[lofty tartan]

All good. I hope it goes well

[chrome knot]

thanksies🥺

[stone trellis]

See, the biggest problem is that every family in this city owns at least one car.

And in a city with only 14000 people, that does not leave a lot of driving space.

Combine that with blatant disregard for red lights and you have one hell of a city to traverse as a driver and as a pedestrian.

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

Greece sucks so much and I can't fucking take it anymore.

I'll have to stay in this stupid country for 6-7 more years.

[craggy dagger]

canada is great

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you guys get to be in a wealthy country with great infrastructure.

[chrome knot]

bwebwebwebwebwbe

[stone trellis]

Us Greeks get to live in a country where some people were getting paid because they supposedly had an olive grove... in the location of a military airport.

[molten oasis]

Hm

[craggy dagger]

trust me
we're not that good 😭

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0baba590ec830d2f should I put a clam on something here or add something that helps me with incin? Incin ape teams are kicking my ass

[stone trellis]

I'm going to be as polite as possible when saying this, but we have very different problems.

At least (I hope) you don't have to worry about if you can afford to buy groceries this week because, despite the fact that minimum wage is supposedly 880 euros, it's actually around 400.

[craggy dagger]

no no i understand that but
canada and US are
very glorified

[stone trellis]

Many countries are.

[molten oasis]

US is glorified, I hate it here so I don’t feel any of that

[stone trellis]

Overrating mediocre shit is part of being a human.

[lean ridge]

Canada is not great either tbh

[stone trellis]

Like every Terapagos player who thinks it's actually good

[stone trellis]

Again, very different problems.

But yeah, I hope it gets better for you guys.

Greece has no chances of improving.

I'll probably leave along with my parents, because I'm not letting the people who've raised me rot in this hellhole alone.

[lofty tartan]

My favorite professors in college were a Greek couple from Cyprus

[stone trellis]

Ah, Cyprus.

Typical story.

People of two different groups lived pretty peacefully together, and then some idiot wanted to maintain an agenda so they split them up and divided a country for no reason.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah they lost their village and had to leave. Their daughter was working to make reparations with Turkey.

My professor Kyriacos wrote a book about Daskalos after living with him for a time.

[stone trellis]

You know, the funny thing about Greece is that we always celebrate the date when we first started a war.

The reason is that without fail, we always end up in a civil war afterwards.

[lofty tartan]

Well more specificially Stylianos Atteshlis

We in America celebrate our Declaration of Independence, which led to the American Revolutionary War.

[stone trellis]

Even this great and glorious revolution of 1821, which we celebrate so much every March 25th, ended in the two major camps wanting to kill each other and our revolution failing. We were only liberated because it was in the big powers' best interest to remove the Ottoman Empire's presence.

[next stump]

We also have Columbus Day which is yikes as well

[lofty tartan]

Yeah just that you can celebrate things that led to a war, you can celebrate the dates of a war to honor the dead that fought for ideals, you can celebrate the occassion. It's not necessarily saying "oh yeah we love war"

Besides. War and terrorism are methods agreed upon by all nations

[stone trellis]

That's weird.

[lofty tartan]

[short quiver]

its a shame i cant trade my level 70 raichu into swsh and just speedrun the game

[next stump]

if you have the DLC you can catch suicune almost immediately

[stone trellis]

Depends on how lucky you get and which version you have, doesn't it?

[dense latch]

it's a guaranteed catch

[next stump]

It’s your first encounter in max raids guaranteed

[short quiver]

trueeeeeeeee

and then i can speed run to the calyrex/zamazenta storyline

depending which i wanna do first

[lean ridge]

Another option is to just move your starter to SV in home and overdose it on exp candies

[short quiver]

omg youre so right

[lean ridge]

Then just move it back and it will still obey you since the trainer ID matches

[stone trellis]

Oh, you meant in Sword/Shield.

[short quiver]

original trainer system is op

[lean ridge]

Yep

That’s what I did every time I replayed through bdsp for arceus

[short quiver]

cant i buy xp candies in the blueberry academy store

[lean ridge]

U can

[short quiver]

even better

level 100 cinderace lets go

unfortunately any moves i teach it in sv wont transfer to swsh for some damn reason

[lean ridge]

Yea it’s just gonna know scratch and growl 😭💔

[short quiver]

my raichu lost fake out and my latias lost tailwind and helping hand

[lean ridge]

Or whatever scorbunny starts with

[short quiver]

and any moves scorbunny/raboot/cinderace learn by level up

[lean ridge]

Ohhh yea I forgot swsh is when they introduced the free move relearned

[short quiver]

tackle growl

[lean ridge]

In bdsp I’m stuck with scratch until gym 3 where I buy tms

[short quiver]

💀

just pick turtwig

ground moves will carry you

[lean ridge]

At lvl 80 I just 1 shot everything regardless so it’s faster to just use the fastest starter

[short quiver]

which would be infernape in bdsp i imagine

oh how i wish typhlosion was in SWSH

[lean ridge]

Yep

[short quiver]

johtoan not hisuian

[round abyss]

https://pokepast.es/5884c219d560e068 ground types like ursa and chomp are so good into me
any ideas??

[short quiver]

there are other follow me users

ogerpon maybe water would be really good instead of electabuzz

[foggy lodge]

Its a reg H team xd

Ogerpon is banned

[short quiver]

ohhhhh

i mean. Furret and Tandemaus are right there then

[foggy lodge]

The problem is probably the core of having 4 mons weak to ground

[short quiver]

(maushold not tandemaus)

[foggy lodge]

Furret is shit

[lofty tartan]

I wish there was a chat feature in Pokemon Go or a way to look at my friend's boxes, so that I could know if they could complete a raid so I could invite them

[short quiver]

follow me is good and furret can learn it

[foggy lodge]

Maushold is like okay but it needs something like Archaludon or Annihilape to work because if not it can become too passive

Furret is still shit lmao

[round abyss]

what would u suggest changing it to

[foggy lodge]

Maybe Annihilape

Or the scarf basculegion

Volcarona is also good

[lofty tartan]

This team is literally almost the Tang team.

[round abyss]

yea its based off it

[lofty tartan]

Add Alolan Ninetales.

[round abyss]

i just changed a9 to buzz

[lofty tartan]

Ninetales pressures Ground guys

[foggy lodge]

I forgot about A9 lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you removed the thing that helps vs Ground matchups and added another thing weak to Ground.

You basically compounded your weakness.

[round abyss]

yea u right

i dont like playing a9

[short quiver]

i think they were blinded by follow me

[lofty tartan]

Why? Thing is awesome.

[round abyss]

it gets veil off and then dies

[short quiver]

uh… skill issue?

[lofty tartan]

It sets Screens in one turn, it's extremely fast, Ice and Fairy coverage are extremely strong offensively - all Ice types are bad defensively

Ice is just a bad type in a defensive sense.

[short quiver]

unless you have a secondary type that can save you like dragon (baxcalibur)

[lofty tartan]

It has Encore, which matters.

[dense latch]

i just played a game where a9 won me the game through icy wind speed control

[foggy lodge]

A9 also kinda solved the rain MU for the team too

[dense latch]

encore is amazing too on such a fast mon

[foggy lodge]

Well not solved but it helps a lot

[lofty tartan]

Mehhh Dragon doesn't save Bax. Ice makes him weak to Close Combat and Make it Rain

[round abyss]

hmm alrigh

[foggy lodge]

Just be sure to play sash ok it

[dense latch]

and even if it does just get veil off it's fine

[lofty tartan]

85% of the time, that's the job needing to be done

[short quiver]

which sucks, sure, but our only ice fire is galarian darmanitan

[brave hazel]

She’s so fragile tho.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's not meant to be bulky. Not everything is a bulked out monster. Sneasler is fragile as hell, too.

[foggy lodge]

I didn't use A9 aurora veil too much in early reg H because I often would just end up getting critted lmao

Good thing is that it still has a lot of good moves apart from aurora veil

[lofty tartan]

Some things are fast and strong, some things are slow and bulky.

[dense latch]

honestly aurora veil is just an extra neat tool i get while using a9

[lofty tartan]

Encore, Icy Wind, Veil is my jam.

[foggy lodge]

I think its actually a mon with 4 move syndrome

[lofty tartan]

It is.

You want to pack a lot into the set.

[foggy lodge]

Blizzard, Freeze dry, moonblast, dazzling, encore, icy wind, protect, aurora veil

Even misty terrain for an anti ursa/amoonguss tech

[dense latch]

exactlyy i wish i could fit protect

[lofty tartan]

Encore is a value tool that is hard to drop. Icy Wind helps shore up speed matchups, Freeze-Dry hits the water guys, Veil is high value

Moonblast is just good

[short quiver]

yo i might try that ngl

[lean ridge]

Could u run a bulky A9 with light clay instead of sash or is it too frail to survive a turn without the sash

[lofty tartan]

Blizzard spam is fine but telegraphed from countries away.

[foggy lodge]

Torviv used misty terrain specs a9 at some point too

[lofty tartan]

It's too fragile to survive a steel hit without Sash.

[foggy lodge]

It was funny

But idk how often he would click it tbh

[dense latch]

there's a few great mons that get hit by 4x from ice like chomp and dnite so the low spatk doesnt even matter against those

[lofty tartan]

Atales crashes out hard to Gholdengo unless you have Freeze-Dry and can force it to Tera Water

Even then it's iffy

[foggy lodge]

Yeah steel is too dominant in this format to play bulk light clay

[lofty tartan]

Tera Fire Ninetales is pretty solid

You avoid burns, resist steel, etc.

[brave hazel]

Was mega blastoise ever relevant

[lofty tartan]

But usually people aren't burning Ninetales a lot.

You can pick up the sash hit any way you want. Spread moves

[foggy lodge]

I think it was on the top of worst mega evolutions ever lmao

[lofty tartan]

Looks cool but doesn't do a lot.

[stone trellis]

Come on, it's at least better than Mega Altaria.

[lofty tartan]

Hmmm.....

[brave hazel]

With megas coming back, are they gonna be buffing any previous ones or adding new ones ? Or is there no info on that

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's true but its always the same thing about megas were the opportunity cost is too high

[lofty tartan]

I kinda dig Altaria's vibe. It just brings out more of pokemon's qualities. I thought it was pretty decent in gameplay.

[round abyss]

what does a9 run'

[lofty tartan]

Zero info on buffing old megas, and probably not in the cards.

Megas get a BST boost of 100 points.

[foggy lodge]

The Tangs one ran blizzard icy wind encore aurora veil

[brave hazel]

Mega kanga will rise again

[lofty tartan]

Buffing them is a crazy idea. They were already very unbalanced.

[round abyss]

sash or clay?

[foggy lodge]

Sash

[lofty tartan]

Like Megas are just... not balanced at all.

[foggy lodge]

And tera ghost

[stone trellis]

Mega Dragonite is a confirmed new Mega.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah we're getting new Megas.

But the other new Megas are leaks so they're to be taken with a grain of salt.

[brave hazel]

Is this for real ? Ain’t no way

[lofty tartan]

They literally announced it themselves.

Weeks ago.

[brave hazel]

Sp attacker or physical ?

[lofty tartan]

They didn't give us stats man.

[stone trellis]

"We're so proud to announce that Mega Rayquaza's Delta Stream will now also function like Aerilate!"

[lofty tartan]

But realistically, Dragonite has 134 attack, and MUCH less Sp Attack. He's likely to be a physical attacker

[stone trellis]

"Have fun with E-Speed ripping people in half, y'all!"

[brave hazel]

dragonite is powerful as especially with multiscale, adding a mega to that thing would be OP as

[lean ridge]

I’m hoping a lot goes into speed

[stone trellis]

Dragonite, like every pseudo (except for Baxcalibur and Garchomp) is mixed.

[lofty tartan]

Adding 100 BST onto a 134 attack stat and ignoring the major stat to add stuff to Special Attack would be insane.

[lean ridge]

Judging by the fact it has two massive wings on its head speed would make sense too

[lofty tartan]

It has a 34 point difference between Special and Physical.

[stone trellis]

So it'll probably gain around 20 points in Special Attack.

[lofty tartan]

That matters

I couldn't imagine them weighing Sp Attack more than Attack to make him a Special Attacker.

[brave hazel]

403 max attack stat is already crazy

[lofty tartan]

Most mons before Gen 3 suffer the attack split anyway.

[stone trellis]

Landorus could honestly pass as a pseudo considering how mixed it is.

It's literally Salamence, but slightly faster and slightly weaker on the physical side with some extra physical Defense.

[lofty tartan]

Pseudo legendaries have 600bst. Most Sub-Legendaries are there too, like Lando.

[stone trellis]

Sub legends are mostly at 570-590.

[lofty tartan]

Landorus is 600

There are probably more, if you go through.

The more appropriate thing for me to do was to add "around there" instead of "there too" so that people don't take things so exact.

[brave hazel]

I hope the images of dragonite with wings on its head are not real

[lofty tartan]

You gotta be particular with how you speak online because everyone's super literal.

[lofty tartan]

It's real because TCPI confirmed it all for us.

Like I'm just not sure what you're not getting with this xD

[brave hazel]

That’s so ugly

[lofty tartan]

I like it. To each their own.

[stone trellis]

It has the 4x weakness, a Gen 1-5 staple for pseudos (other than Metagross because it's a chad Steel type).

And it has the unreasonably good ability.

[lofty tartan]

Like what did everyone expect them to do with Mega Dragonite? Make it a angry dragon guy that's super badass and whatever? It's a goofy orange-yellow pot-bellied dragon.

[brave hazel]

Hear me out … badass dragon looking thing with a red cape would of been sick

[round abyss]

https://pokepast.es/fd056f85f7049ecc this look better?

[dense latch]

i think mega dnite is neat, the more i see it the more i like it

[lofty tartan]

Nothing about any part of Dragonite's line says "badass dragon with a cape"

[dense latch]

dnite isn't meant to be badass though

[stone trellis]

It's giving me MHA fans getting angry over Deku being straight because they deluded themselves into thinking he was gay vibes.

[lofty tartan]

Mega Evolution amplifies every existent quality of the Pokemon that is Mega Evolving.

Where in God's name would it manifest a cape?

[lean ridge]

Tpc should just do +50 speed + 50 atk and call it a day

[stone trellis]

184 Attack and 130 Speed?

[lofty tartan]

Give this man a raise.

[lean ridge]

😭

[stone trellis]

You really want that to be unleashed upon the world?

[lean ridge]

Yea and replace its dragon typing with normal

[stone trellis]

HELL NAH

[lofty tartan]

Mega Gengar is like 170/130

[stone trellis]

Just give it Aerilate.

[lofty tartan]

And he's basically getting power crept.

[stone trellis]

Mega Gengar is also based on a mon with a BST of 500.

[lofty tartan]

Still has 170 special attack and 130 speed.

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/3f3baa53a4fa0304

[lofty tartan]

I thought the idea was that's a LOT of attack and speed? Not moving the goalposts to not allow the comparison.

[stone trellis]

I know that there are objectively better potential abilities for it, but I want to see the chaos.

[lean ridge]

I wasn’t around playing Pokemon at the time of megas so whenever I look through the mons I sometimes can’t believe these stats

[stone trellis]

A more fair argument would be that Mega Gengar didn't gain much Speed anyways.

[lean ridge]

Like I look at mega mewtwo Y and see 140 speed 194 sp atk

[stone trellis]

And it's still shit in competitive.

[lean ridge]

I wanna believe a psychic terrain expanding force would make it more viable but I feel like it would find a way to still suck

[stone trellis]

This is the way.

It's called CSR.

[short quiver]

the only way to get an ability patch is by tera raids right

[lean ridge]

Or item printer

[lofty tartan]

You can get them from the item printer.

[stone trellis]

Or by using the Item Printer, yeah.

[short quiver]

whats that

[lean ridge]

It’s part of the second dlc

[stone trellis]

It's in the DLC.

[short quiver]

ermmmmm

[lean ridge]

It’s a little bit of a grind to max it out but once you do u can print unlimited patches and just sell the extras for money

[stone trellis]

Basically, you use the materials dropped by Pokemon in order to print items.

[short quiver]

i wanna change my swsh scorbunnys ability to libero before i switch it back to swsh

[stone trellis]

You can print items required to evolve Pokemon, Ability Patches, apriballs and even Master Balls.

[brave hazel]

This pokemon would look so much better if it didn’t have the ugly rider on it

[short quiver]

i unlock it with the bp points dont i

[brave hazel]

I get about 20 ability patches a day on wonder trade

hacked mons always have them. I take there items & then release the mon back

[dense latch]

so spectrier

[short quiver]

im trying that rn and its not working 😕

i have a lot of sentrets that i bred

[brave hazel]

Yeah but I never see it online solo

[round abyss]

whats the best set up rn

[short quiver]

someone just traded me this

gonna be an amazing milotic soon

[short quiver]

level 64 ot cinderace with libero achieved

time to cheese this whole game

gonna beat this whole game with double kick and quick attack

(im kidding i WILL use pyro ball)

do all fully evolved starters have a 530 BST?

[faint charm]

Does anyone know if they will release the ev spreads and natures of the wining teams from vgc 2025?

[short quiver]

probably eventually

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1b1098d26d53d59a fellas

What do I add here? Thinking some sort of steel type and then smth for tr

[dense latch]

it's 525 to 535 iirc

[dense latch]

maybe dengo p2?

[molten oasis]

This is not a p2 team

[dense latch]

or dengo amoong

[molten oasis]

Dengo sure but this is not a team where p2 works

[short quiver]

who would have 525

[molten oasis]

Fire types would demolish me

[dense latch]

my bad i just went and had a look at vivilon teams in regionals and saw stuff like this
https://pokepast.es/45a4d790bceaca7c
https://pokepast.es/de45ce08c55c4114

[molten oasis]

Ie, incin

[short quiver]

the humble nightmare cat

[lofty tartan]

The first team is 🔥

[molten oasis]

Oh dengo is normal for this ok

[dense latch]

im not saying just go straight to those or go with my suggestions just a few thoughts

[molten oasis]

And so is p2 wha?

[short quiver]

is there any use in porygonz whatsoever ive only ever seen porygon2 used

[molten oasis]

Why is p2 on this isn’t p2 mostly a thing with Ursa?

[lofty tartan]

Pory2 is better because Eviolite

[dense latch]

p2 chomp won a regional

[lofty tartan]

He outbulks Z, and Z isn't anything special as a sweeper or anything

[short quiver]

thats kinda unfortunate

[lofty tartan]

Porygon is super bulk TR setter with Recover. The speed bump that keeps on going

[short quiver]

pz looks so cool

[lofty tartan]

I dig P2, personally

I do like how PZ is just P2 rearranged

The flavor of the line is 🔥

[short quiver]

i like that its glitching

[molten oasis]

It did?

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/cac266c944c20d76

similar to what you have

[lofty tartan]

Tera Flying Sneasler next to EQ Chomp

[molten oasis]

Ok that has incin amoonguss I see why it works there

[lofty tartan]

Love it

[molten oasis]

I’m playing harc most of the teams doesn’t wanna see tr

[dense latch]

i take this back i realize it's just chomp in common lol

[lofty tartan]

I'm honestly leaning into the Tang Gang's team for Pittsburgh at the moment

Just a good mix

[dense latch]

such an amazing six

been having so much fun with it

[lofty tartan]

It covers a lot of area

[molten oasis]

:/

[lofty tartan]

So it's a good general pick into an idea of the upcoming Reg H meta for Pittsburgh

[short quiver]

how about tera ghost partner with a boomburst mon 😃

[lofty tartan]

Like broad generally good matchups

[dense latch]

my only issue so far has been a few hard tr teams

[lofty tartan]

Eh. Boomburst involves Toxtricity or Noivern and they're both kinda just okay

Usually.

[dense latch]

but i think with better positioning it gets a bit easier

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d73d63deb8df9fdd what about buzz or magmar?

[dense latch]

i made a few funny reg h teams with boomburst toxtricity with telepathy and soundproof mons lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeah matching into TR is heavily reliant on player skill. Sometimes I just out game the opponent and make them take bad plays

[dense latch]

fun times

veil + dengo is pretty good into most hard tr comps

[short quiver]

toxtricity punkrock would make boomburst do more damage right

[molten oasis]

It is specs veil

[lofty tartan]

I convinced an opponent at Toronto I was gonna flip TR with Indeedee, and I just full sent into their Porygon with Expanding Force and Blood Moon Ursa

[molten oasis]

I thought about nevermelt ice

[lofty tartan]

They turned off their own TR anticipating the flip

Like who needs anti-TR stuff. Just make the opponent tilt

[lofty tartan]

Yes. It's just

[dense latch]

there was this one toxtricity drifblim team that did okay

[lofty tartan]

I liked that team, more for the Drifblim, less for the Toxtricity

[short quiver]

teraghost helping hand on the other mon. or acid spray.

[lofty tartan]

Drifblim is insanely anti-Sneasler; it's so hilarious

[dense latch]

i can't remember when -- or how, to be honest

[lofty tartan]

I almost took Drifblim to Toronto. That's how much I liked it.

Like it was close. I hunted a shiny just for it

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/9047faa1d032a2ce the fact that this made top 16 at baltimore is still pretty funny to me

[short quiver]

wait am i cooking something chat

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/b9710e4d679d7b81 finally found it damn

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/b9710e4d679d7b81

Oh shit I just went and grabbed it lmao

Sorry

I was looking through labmaus and just slammed the paste when I found it >.>

[dense latch]

lol no need to apologize i feel that

[lofty tartan]

I like everything about the team except I'm lukewarm on Tox just because it's honestly the weakest link

Soundproof Kommo-o has a lot of application outside of Boomburst

Volc, Indeedee-M, Drifblim, Hydreigon - all solid picks. Like I said, Drifblim is just hugely anti-Sneasler and provides insurance into Commander Dozo

Strength Sap him into eternity

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/c1948b5c5b36781e we tried this out for fun, and it was pretty fun
idk about good tho

[short quiver]

i forgot soundproof existed omg i could cook something

only issue is ill have to deal with showdown which i dont like nearly as much as in game ladder

[lofty tartan]

Soundproof Kommo-O is decent. Not amazing, but not bad. You get to pressure Ursaluna a little

[dense latch]

we just thought "how many boomburst immunities or resistances can we fit into a single team"

[short quiver]

that would be my whole thing

every mon on the team that can helping hand will have it

choice specs tera normal punk rock boosted boomburst

😃

or choice scarf actually

yeah probably scarf its kinda slow

[polar canyon]

Soundproof also works on perish song

[short quiver]

so if i have a perish song setup my soundproof partner is immune??

interesting…….

[polar canyon]

Yeah the only issue is your soundproof partner isn't a shadow tag partner

[short quiver]

can any soundproof mons LEARN it?

[polar canyon]

No that would be broken

[short quiver]

unfortunate

[polar canyon]

But it's worth noting that as a bonus soundproof is a check for perish trap

Just to keep in mind in case you run into it

[short quiver]

its a what

if i do make a tesm around boomburst toxtricity should i give it scarf

its like, awkwardly slow

too fast for trickroom but i think tailwind would be still too slow

[polar canyon]

I don't think boomburst toxtricity ever got past the point you can call it more than a gimmick

In my opinion

[short quiver]

thats my goal

silly gimmicky

[polar canyon]

Well good luck

[short quiver]

🙂

i gotta look for soundproof or ghost type mons that can learn helpin ghand

[polar canyon]

People do it with sableye

[lean ridge]

Could try specs noivern if ur worried abt speed

[short quiver]

yeah but toxtricity needs some love

😕

[lean ridge]

Tru tbh

[lean ridge]

Also look into Pokemon with telepathy if u can’t find anything with soundproof

It also protects u from boom burst

[short quiver]

omg yes

ghost telepathy or soundproof

ever expanding options

i could use hisuin typhlosion too for another damage dealer

[lean ridge]

It’s very gimmicky but u could put oranguru next to ur noivern

[short quiver]

omg instruct boomburst 😃

[lean ridge]

And instead of helping hand u just use instruct and u get to use boombursr twice per turn

Yeeee

[short quiver]

dawg that sounds kinda broken

could i have both toxtricity AND noivern? 🤔

[lean ridge]

U might get walled by ghost types if u lean into the boomburst too much

[short quiver]

true

hm

[lean ridge]

Oh actually instead of choice specs u can run throat spray as well

It will give u the special attack boost just for using boomburst

[short quiver]

i have an answer to ghost types too

trick ring target

[lean ridge]

Noivern has good dark type coverage as well

U could just give it dark pulse or smthn

[short quiver]

this would be so niche and so funny

[short quiver]

trueeeee

i could use rabsca maybe

idk if it will outspeed a noivern

oh absolutely no it wont

jesus that thing is slow

gardevoir maybe….

uh no

noivern is a fastboi

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 479: Rotom

Types

Electric/Ghost

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/50/77/95/77/91

Total

440

Other Formes

Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Frost, Rotom-Fan, Rotom-Mow

Sableye version 4.28.2

[short quiver]

well ill be damned

sableye was the answer

or hisuian zoroark maybe if i train it really fast

[bold geode]

What we looking for

[short quiver]

A mon faster than a noivern to trick a ring target onto a ghost type

[short quiver]

It's for reg h chill

[bold geode]

Why do you need to do that

That doesn't help you LMAO

[short quiver]

Throat spray Tera normal boomburst

[bold geode]

So you can hit Ghost types I'm guessing

[short quiver]

Yuh

[bold geode]

Honestly just run a Dark type or a Ghost type, way more consistent

[short quiver]

My options are sableye or hisuian zoroark

[bold geode]

Ring Target is way too gimmicky

[short quiver]

I know

My whole team is gonna be gimmicky

[dense latch]

ring target is still way too gimmicky

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

Lemme cook 🙁

[rustic mountain]

there was this 1 gimmick strat in swsh w/ ring target for leki vs lando so u could max lightning it

wasnt good but was funny

[rustic mountain]

ur burning the kitchen down w/ that one

[short quiver]

Worth the sillies

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

If the captain burns with his ship that's a risk I'm willing to take

[dense latch]

if usual gimmicks burn the kitchen

ring target burns down a rainforest

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

Thats why it will work

Who would be insane enough to use it

(The answer is me)

[rustic mountain]

if by it will work u mean losing then sure

[short quiver]

Will i get to boomburst a ghost type

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

So maybe it will work

Maybe is good enough for me

[rustic mountain]

usually to me, a strat working is not only getting it off, but also winning while doing so

[dense latch]

you could get other gimmicks to work instead of the effort of using ring target

[short quiver]

I want to laugh my ass off when I hit a boomburst on a ghost type

[rustic mountain]

if all ur lookin for is to get the combo off then sure ull get some games itll work

u could also run something w/ scrappy and hit ghost types w/ normal moves that way and not run some cheap gimmick strat

[dense latch]

not only takes up an entire turn between trick and attacking but you're also sacrificing your item slot

[short quiver]

I already have half my team. Noivern Hisuian Typhlosion and Sableye

[bold geode]

Oh Tree perfect timing
I have something to show to you

SO
I am aware
That you have called me a fraud

For using Incineroar more than Rillaboom

SO TO PROVE MY CASE

[rustic mountain]

was it specifically for that? or just not using rilla much in general

[bold geode]

Much in general

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Anyways
To prove my case
I have went thru all my notable teams in SV
And put down how much I have used each Mon throughout the entirety of SV

[rustic mountain]

ok

[short quiver]

Any suggestions for the rest of my team 😃

[bold geode]

And here was the results

[foggy lodge]

Ayo P2 team drop the paste monke

[bold geode]

Rillaboom is tied for my 2nd most used mon

[foggy lodge]

I want to see it

[rustic mountain]

u want a cookie?

[dense latch]

who doesnt

[bold geode]

P2 is for a Reg F honorable mention

[rustic mountain]

but sure ill eat my words

[bold geode]

Yes actually

Bro I actually saw myself getting better with EVs just by looking thru my Flutter sets throughout time

[rustic mountain]

i was mostly going off wat u said tho w/ ur rilla use

[bold geode]

In Reg D I ran an absolutely HORRENDOUS SET

[rustic mountain]

🍪

[foggy lodge]

Ñamñamñam

[rustic mountain]

i think evs are not necessarily super easy to get down especially off rip

i still mostly just ballpark them and then adjust as i go

[bold geode]

Look at this set
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 76 HP / 140 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Thunderbolt
• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast

[rustic mountain]

oh god

its not terrible but its not good

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/31be63882af1734a im trying to figure out what i was cooking with this

[bold geode]

I ran a Specs set with low Spatk investment and in the notes I shit you not I said

[short quiver]

Chat do you have some suggestions to make a part of my team non-gimmicky. I want noivern hisuian typhlosion sableye and orangaru and idk for the last two

[bold geode]

"I know it's low investment but the Specs will make up for it"

[dense latch]

i think this was my first team after the break, typhlosion's one of my fav mons and i didnt realize it's just a worse chi yu 😭

[bold geode]

Also I ran max speed Timid on a team with TR and TW like bruh I did not need to be that fast LMAO

[rustic mountain]

indeedee m sneasler i guess idk, or exca and ttar the teams just not good w/ those other 4

[bold geode]

Also Tree you wanna see the most defensive team ever

[rustic mountain]

lmao

we all gta start somewhere

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/5d9b7f0980b804b5

[forest arrow]

Rude

Other 3

[short quiver]

I'll try both options

[short quiver]

Yeah typhlosion is actually a solid mon

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/c0cb87c09fca4dd1

I cooked today

[rustic mountain]

no like hisuan typhloshion w/ those other 3 is not good, it has no enabling like sun or tailwind

[forest arrow]

lol true true

[rustic mountain]

its not a mon u just throw on a team and its good

[forest arrow]

Yeah no you need sun

[short quiver]

I could....... do something about that

[forest arrow]

And speed control

[bold geode]

I know but like
Seeing this shit now makes me wanna slap the hell outta past me

[short quiver]

Easy. Torkoal/ninetales whimsicott

[forest arrow]

No Ninetales

[rustic mountain]

ive unfortunately seen more defensive teams then this

[forest arrow]

Torkoal or whimsicott is fine

[brave hazel]

Why grass

[rustic mountain]

ur chi yu and lando atleast have some offensive investment

[short quiver]

Or? Why not both

[bold geode]

Funny thing
My thought process for the team was I made 4 mons, realized oh shit I have no offense and slapped on Chi Flutter

[rustic mountain]

hhaha i mean u had the vision it just won worlds

[forest arrow]

Yeah could use jumpluff over whims too

[short quiver]

Omg your so right. Or venasuar maybe....

[bold geode]

In Regulation D, Amoongus was big as it was a good thing for Urshifu Rapid Strike which ran rampant at the time so it helped vs Urshifu, helped vs Amoongus, and it let you even live stuff like a Heavy Slam from Iron Hands (neutral hit vs SE) and Wood Hammer from Rilla

[forest arrow]

I’d say you rather one of the TW setters but could use Saur

[dense latch]

whim typhlosion is strong

[bold geode]

TRUE
I was ahead of my time

[short quiver]

So noivern sableye typhlosion orangaru whimsicott jumpluff

Man this team is so weird

[dense latch]

yea i dont see typhlosion whim here

there's really no cohesion between the pieces

[forest arrow]

None whatsoever besides typhlo and the setters

[short quiver]

Half of the team is gimmicky boomburst the rest is tailwind offense 🙂

[rustic mountain]

modern day nostradamus in our midst

[brave hazel]

So e9 does good in comp ?

[rustic mountain]

a9 is good in comp idk who e9 is

for reg h that is

[brave hazel]

a9 my bad lmao

[rustic mountain]

ur good haha im just messing

[short quiver]

No jumpluff cuz no sun unless I sunny day on whimsicott. So who for my last slot 🙁

Tree said sneasler.... hmm.... maybe

[rustic mountain]

i said sneasler male indeedee

[brave hazel]

So do they do worlds for all divisions?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[short quiver]

So who for my last slot

[brave hazel]

Do you win money for winning worlds

[dense latch]

yes

[brave hazel]

Or a trophy or some

[dense latch]

30k

[brave hazel]

Why so low, pokemon creators are stacked. Fortnite be paying millions, & COD

I thought easy 100k

min

[rustic mountain]

do noivern, switcheroo ring target whims, sneasler, male indeedee, ttar excadrill. atleast this way u get ur weird gimmick strat condensed as much as possible while using mostly good mons

thats my best advice

[short quiver]

but whimsicott will get hit by anything that survives the boomburst

[bold geode]

Probably cuz Pokemon has to pay VGC, TCG, Go, AND Unite meaning they have to pay for 4 different games with 2 of them having 3 age divisions meaning you're paying like potentially 8 people 30 grand
Also Pokemon creators aren't paid by Pokemon, that's all YouTube revenue

[rustic mountain]

idk wat to tell u but telepathy oranguru isnt it

[short quiver]

assuming the boomburst doesnt straight up kill my own cottonball

[rustic mountain]

who cares i thought u just wanted to see a ghost type get hit by boomburst

[short quiver]

i do

[rustic mountain]

now we care about efficiency?

[short quiver]

i want to not murder my own cottonball

i love whimsicott

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[short quiver]

ill do it. its for memes.

[rustic mountain]

i think they can spare it, not 100k but def like 50k for masters win

[forest arrow]

Most definitely they’re up there with Disney 50k ain’t gonna hurt

[rustic mountain]

yea

biggest stage of the year

[forest arrow]

It was so sick too

Absolutely loved it

[dense latch]

it was 10k just two years ago so looking at it that way it's a pretty nice increase, tho i do still believe that the increase in popularity warrants better prize money

[rustic mountain]

like as a remote viewer or u actually went?

[forest arrow]

The popularity increase warranted making worlds smaller

Like for invites

So I feel the increase isn’t a bad thing but for sure, it’s still a good chunk from being 10k that it was

[polar canyon]

I can't tell if you're defending that change or poking fun at it

[rustic mountain]

yea i just think as the game continues to expand and grow the prize money should def be seeing a substantial increase. like sure 2x in 2 years is cool but is that really reflective of the actual growth in playerbase retention and engagement overall even from a casual standpoint cause its not just competitors paying to go to these events

[bold geode]

Yeah for Masters 30k might be a little low but like
You gotta consider they're also giving that to fucking JUNIORS

[forest arrow]

Remote lol I can only imagine being there

[bold geode]

Like imagine being a 10yo and getting 30 grand

[forest arrow]

Next year hopefully

[rustic mountain]

nah thats cool tho im glad u enjoyed it

i caught a bit of day 1 and 2 and made it live for finals

[forest arrow]

we’ve just come a long way from house chairs and a table you know??

[rustic mountain]

should not be the same prize money for each division

[forest arrow]

Agreed

[polar canyon]

Worlds used to be just 20 guys in a room recording people play on a plastic table just 3 years ago now look how far we've cone

[forest arrow]

I feel like it’s like that for everything

[rustic mountain]

no it wasnt

[dense latch]

13 years ago maybe

[forest arrow]

Not 3 years ago

[polar canyon]

I was there

[forest arrow]

that was probably a local

[rustic mountain]

no u werent cuz if u were ud know that wasnt tru

[dense latch]

were you at digimon worlds by any chance

[polar canyon]

It's not funny when you guys act like I'm being genuine when I lie

[rustic mountain]

honestly not even 13 years ago, pokemons been pretty massive even when competitve was in its earlier stages. they had fuckin hulk hogan announcing at like the first or second worlds hahaa w/ like thousands of ppl there

[polar canyon]

Y'all ruined the joke I hope you're proud

[rustic mountain]

just a bad troll attempt

[dense latch]

we're pokemon fans we don't get sarcasm and stuff

[polar canyon]

It's like calling out a switch in vgc but with words

You should try it

[forest arrow]

You killed chat, are you proud of yourself

[rustic mountain]

i would say the scale of regionals and internats has definitely increased in terms of both exposure and player count for sure in that sense tho they didnt really do much themselves

[forest arrow]

/j

[molten oasis]

Idk what happened but the past 3 days I have been playing awfully

[rustic mountain]

wdym

[molten oasis]

I’m stuck in 1100’s

[forest arrow]

Media mostly

YouTubers yada yada

[rustic mountain]

yea

[polar canyon]

What format

[rustic mountain]

one of my biggest issues w/ gf and tpc is their overeliance on the community and grassroots to supplement what they should be providing themselves

[rustic mountain]

what r u losing to mostly

[dense latch]

ik this is the biggest cliche when it comes to what to do when you're on a bad streak but taking a break helps so much, focus on something else you like to do or smth

[polar canyon]

I'm stuck in ~1350 in reg g its starting to feel boring there with the magearna hard tr teams

[molten oasis]

Go go gadget specs dengo with tw

[bold geode]

Speaking of Worlds, finally
https://x.com/PqlarBear/status/1957925588490207664

Gio (@PqlarBear)

2025 Pokémon Video Game World Champion 🏆

X · Aug 19, 2025, 10:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[rustic mountain]

wats ur team again

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ff99a0cfe4f15184 trying shit

Regardless of what happens I lose too much steam too early

[rustic mountain]

holy shit hisuan arcanine i forgot that was a mon

idt ive seen it once so far since reg h has returned

[molten oasis]

And I have 0 bulk

[rustic mountain]

yea id consider restructuring ur team

[polar canyon]

Well maybe you should try getting at least 1 bulk then

[dense latch]

i've had a lot of fun with it

[rustic mountain]

chomp a9 dengo good core

other 3 can go imo

add incin

[dense latch]

maybe incin over arcanine to have that resist into dengo

helps slow down tw attackers one way or another

[polar canyon]

I dont remember anything about reg h meta other than archa rain and sneasler is there

[dense latch]

DUG was good

[rustic mountain]

p much and some other stuff

[polar canyon]

I just picked up my old team and started ballin for like 30 minutes and landed at 1100

[dense latch]

dnite balance