#competitive_discussion

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fluid fiber
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Im interested ti see if Mawhile does anything

molten oasis
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Deedee’s decent support for it cuz I don’t want to run male Deedee

rustic mountain
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i think the delphox indeedee mode should go, or atleast do the indeedee male sneasler mode if ur gna use psychic terrain

dull ibex
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zacian gets better too

bold geode
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There is one thing that will keep Kang alive at all in the future
And that's a restricted format

rustic mountain
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y

bold geode
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That is if they don't get to tera

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Cuz that means Kang gets to fuck over Shadow Rider

molten oasis
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Whole point was double fox but yeah Delphox just isn’t really cutting it

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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The times it does get ko’s it just the proceeds to die and I lose too much steam

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Specs a9 is fun tho I did enjoy Tera ice blizzard spam

rustic mountain
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if it has an inability to be relevant in a non restricted how will it find a place outside just 1 use case?

bold geode
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Idk
Anyways what other ones you think will be shit

rustic mountain
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idk dude

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mega mence

solid frigate
bold geode
dull ibex
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why is mega mence shit?

bold geode
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Probably have to really play Chien Pao well against it

molten oasis
rustic mountain
solid frigate
dull ibex
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Im scared for the format ngl

rustic mountain
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u dont even know the format

molten oasis
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Hearthflame.

rustic mountain
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🤨

dull ibex
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thats what scares me

bold geode
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What about Gengar

solid frigate
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Gengar will remain good there’s no way it doesn’t

solid frigate
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252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Salamence-Mega: 156-184 (91.7 - 108.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Also just for a thing

Ice Shard barely picks up

dull ibex
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if they allow max, tera, mega, Z moves. what chaos will that bring

solid frigate
bold geode
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Imma rip off the bandaid
One that will be good bar none starting off at least
Charizard Y

dull ibex
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if they rotate out gimmicks monthly that would be cool

rustic mountain
dull ibex
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I look foward to perish teams

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mega gengar is going to buff them

bold geode
# rustic mountain wasnt it just like solid back then?

Pretty solid but like
Judging on how big the power level is, it probably is gonna go crazy
Plus like
Ability to set up Drought after switch ins plus like
If they ever did let paradoxes in (which maybe they could if they wanted to) um yeah lmao

rustic mountain
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tru

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i think its heavily dependent on whats allowed in that case tho

solid frigate
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theres like 4 megas that genuinely would see most of the plays at the start

Mega Kangaskhan
Mega Salamence
Mega Charizard Y
Mega Gengar

Idk about the other 2 relevant steel type Megas imo cuz Metagross and Lucario is not as consistent as the other 4 imo

rustic mountain
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u know we are getting new megas right?

dull ibex
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im a little confused on what my team does into tr mirrors ngl

solid frigate
rustic mountain
solid frigate
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+idk maybe i'll use Mega Greninja lol

next stump
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I’m lowkey mad they didn’t give us champions date, like what’s gonna happen january-august

bold geode
fluid fiber
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I got bailed out by showdown I think

next stump
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wait what LOL

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never seen that in my life

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he must have side targeted his ally

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or crazy showdown but

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bug*

fluid fiber
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Ill take it

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
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also za got a ranked system? kinda cool

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4 player only kinda dogshit but w/e i guess

solid frigate
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they 100% need this after being so mid (Maybe not gren but others 100%)

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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Only time will tell

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Cause no abilities

rustic mountain
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but also the starter trio of za

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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Yeah

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But idk when we will know what abils the new megas get

solid frigate
bold geode
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I feel like there will be data extraction when ZA comes out

rustic mountain
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i think we got abilities in pla even without it being in game. i forget if it was datamined or tpc released it on their website

bold geode
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I feel like it would 100% be datamined

rustic mountain
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but i def think we knew what abilities mons would have. i could b wrong but i feel like it wasnt a guessing game once the game was it

rustic mountain
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they managed to atleast make hisuan typhloshion decent

bold geode
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I feel like mega meganium would still be ass cuz like

rustic mountain
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hisuan samurott and decidueye arent necessarily bad but they were by the time they were allowed

bold geode
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Sure it could be good but you gotta use Meganium

rustic mountain
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lmao

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id prefer regional variants but they wont do that so megas it is i guess

bold geode
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Like you gotta consider not only the mega but also the base Mon a lot of the time

rustic mountain
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nah ur right

bold geode
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Now Mega Scrafty

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Honestly that's a question
What the hell could they give Mega Scrafty to make it work

naive drift
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Anyone got a good 6th Mon to add? Trick room team casual doubles

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Also suggestions welcome. Skeledirge is the focal point of my team

dull ibex
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well you need a setter

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I reccomend female indeedee

stone trellis
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Indeedee AND Farigiraf?

dull ibex
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another setter*

dull ibex
stone trellis
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It's also kind of having two mons with the exact same weaknesses.

fluid fiber
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Doomed Mon

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(I will be picking Meganium)

red willow
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Were the 2 dnites in top 8 of worlds ever relevant in the games?

fluid fiber
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I wanna see mega Falinks become meta

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Let it attack 5 times like kanghaskan on steroids

next stump
red willow
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Either or feel like everytime someone brought up running dnite in this reg recently nobody was really a fan

solid frigate
stone trellis
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Anyway, here's another update on the drawing.

20250818_225314.jpg
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I genuinely had no good 3D model for Lunala, so I just went off of a flipped version of its Ken Sugimori art.

polar canyon
# naive drift

This is for the no restricted format right? Because I remember yesterday you asked about it and mentioned restricted, plus the no restricted format available right now is only available on showdown, not officially back in scarvio

naive drift
polar canyon
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Calyrex is arguably the strongest pokemon of all time

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The ice rider form is suited for trick room teams

stone trellis
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Yeah, Ice Rider is God inside of Trick Room.

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Especially when paired with someone that can stop priority moves from going off.

polar canyon
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Like a certain giraffe you have

stone trellis
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Yeah, Ice Giraffe is peak TR.

dull ibex
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anyone got fresh start mochis

naive drift
gentle cragBOT
brave hazel
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Because higher chance of something resisting fire

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& being able to Stella Terra catches ground types unaware with a solar power/life orb/ terra booster solar beam & can take out dragon threats with pulse as well

forest arrow
stone trellis
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Thanks.

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Now I just have to do the weird glow on Lunala's chest and figure out where Ursaluna will go.

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I backed myself into a wall with this one.

craggy dagger
stone trellis
craggy dagger
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nothin,
just admiring your art
it’s super cool MumeiKirakira

stone trellis
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Thanks, I guess?

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All I did was trace 3D models onto printing paper badly and you people are praising me for it lmao

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Oh yeah, I also implemented their held items in the dumbest ways possible.

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Oh boy, I'll have to do CSR and Incineroar too.

bold geode
rustic mountain
polar canyon
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Chat what goes well with korai csr chi yu

foggy lodge
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Bonnet

polar canyon
dense latch
polar canyon
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Do I just get 2 redirects?

dense latch
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what do you have so far, team members and sets if you want to add those

polar canyon
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So essentially an empty slot still

rustic mountain
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t2 was like pretty easy to assume theyd respect the bascu slot somewhat so peli was always living that turn, really just wanted chomp gone for arch in the back

polar canyon
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I'm not like trying to phrase it in a demeaning way I thought it was cool

rustic mountain
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nah i didnt even take it like that

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i just dont really see rock paper scissors

dense latch
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i'd be scared of the wave crash into chomp too

rustic mountain
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i dont do ots its bo1

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unless they offer and i dont mind in that moment

craggy dagger
bold geode
craggy dagger
bold geode
jade dust
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Why didn’t they add the frostbite status from Legend Arceus to the main game

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Smh

craggy dagger
polar canyon
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I can't believe we didn't get the pla reworked sleep

jade dust
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I mean sleep didn’t need changes

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But freeze did

polar canyon
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Freeze isn't common at least

jade dust
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It’s a status that you rarely see anyway so why not make it into frostbite

nocturne holly
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Y’all playing reg h yet

jade dust
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As a way to reduce the damage from special attackers

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Making it the special equivalent to burn was a really good idea

polar canyon
nocturne holly
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No please ignore me 💔🙏🥀

craggy dagger
jade dust
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Why would Chein Pao learn it

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Lol

polar canyon
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Ice type

craggy dagger
round abyss
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tahts cool

nocturne holly
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I can’t wait to use bax

jade dust
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Better in a prankster

craggy dagger
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i’m a little sad that sneasler is gonna be back but like
it opens up a lot of new opportunities or rather
a new cast and i think it’s nice to
not have the pressure of 2 restricteds

jade dust
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Ice types are really bad defensively anyway. Having snow to boost defense and frostbite to reduce special damage wouldn’t be a big deal

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When they don’t have any resistances besides itself

tiny karmaBOT
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[Latest Gen] Grimmsnarl
Will-O-Wisp:
  • Grimmsnarl does not learn Will-O-Wisp in Generation 9
Sableye version 4.28.2
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Pokémon No. 1002: Chien-Pao
Types

Dark/Ice

Abilities

Sword of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/80/90/65/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.2
nocturne holly
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ima do a sneasler bax team

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I don’t know I just wanna use bax

craggy dagger
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grrr MumeiAngy
sneasler sucks-
i hate dire claw so much

nocturne holly
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It’s fun until your opponent has it

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nvm I hate sneasler

craggy dagger
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lol

nocturne holly
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does bax look good on a rain team lowk

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also what are some arch checks

dense latch
craggy dagger
dense latch
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i hit top 100 yesterday

craggy dagger
nocturne holly
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That’s sick

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Wait is chomp good

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Fuckkkk I might have to use him over bax

craggy dagger
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i mean bax is also pretty good

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only downside i see is that you need to burn tera in order to avoid dengo

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since ice teams usually wanna have snow warning + ice attacker

nocturne holly
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mhm yea

polar canyon
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Snow bax exists

nocturne holly
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I remember I had a dengo bax team

dense latch
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bax is pretty good, usually if you want another dragon type that fits in bax teams you try dnite

nocturne holly
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With a9 screens

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hmm

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Terrain is also gonna be so much fun to play with

dense latch
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i've been running justin tang's toronto team and it's been nice

nocturne holly
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what is it

dense latch
polar canyon
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Oh reg h

nocturne holly
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yea

craggy dagger
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mhmmm

dense latch
craggy dagger
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it’s back to terrain wars instead of weather wars

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though i kinda wanna try a sandstorm team sometime this wave

nocturne holly
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And harc is good againnnn

craggy dagger
dense latch
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it became the standard by like mid reg h

polar canyon
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Wonder if tapus coming back is gonna be an indirect miraidon nerf in champions

craggy dagger
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we finally get to see it come back ZetaPray

dense latch
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harc is great with coaching too

nocturne holly
bold geode
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Sdiybt

nocturne holly
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Way to kill chat 💔

craggy dagger
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have a soda

nocturne holly
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I’m gonna do smth similar with bax prolly
And dengo

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how are they together

craggy dagger
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that looks nice

dull ibex
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Do we trust Centro?

solid frigate
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usually not

round abyss
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okidgois not legal right

nocturne holly
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Does bax neeeeeed snow

forest arrow
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No

nocturne holly
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what is it good with

dense latch
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bax wasn't really great with snow in reg h anyways

forest arrow
dense latch
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it got top 4 at laic next to coaching sneasler, kingambit, volcarona rilla and basculegion

forest arrow
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Something like this

dense latch
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that works too

round abyss
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is loaded dice it best set

nocturne holly
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I was thinking sd or dd

dense latch
nocturne holly
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What does chomp run

dense latch
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eq stomping dragon claw protect

nocturne holly
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Also anyone have a lorb dengo set

dense latch
foggy lodge
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Gang thoughts about this

nocturne holly
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Umbreon lowk a sleeper pic…

round abyss
foggy lodge
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Archa Incin

round abyss
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r archa and dengo alright together

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double steel

dense latch
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yea

round abyss
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is palabalance back

dense latch
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palafin is kinda mid

forest arrow
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Palafin is mid just use Basculegion

round abyss
dense latch
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round off with incin and arch and that's a solid rain team

foggy lodge
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If you want the spicy pick add something like Dnite or Salamence

round abyss
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what does salamence do

dense latch
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teras are up to you mostly

bold geode
forest arrow
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I’m sorry babe I know you like it 🥺

rustic mountain
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yea i wish palafin was still good i enjoyed using it in earlier formats

dull ibex
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what do i do about sun teams

nocturne holly
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Reg c >>>

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I’m so happy harc is viable again

bold geode
dull ibex
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yeah idt tailroom is for me, I end up leaning into tailwind more then anything else because thats what I know how to play

solid frigate
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poll_question_text

Who will win Worlds!

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2

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Giovanni (Koraidon Lunala)

rustic mountain
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u left the poll open that long?

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🤨

solid frigate
rustic mountain
forest arrow
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🤣

polar canyon
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Looked at that now

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That team hurt my feelings

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The trick room offensive pikachu

round abyss
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https://pokepast.es/fbde0823efeaf554 what can i add to this
Im goin for a tr mode thorugh indeedee and ursa (maybe blursa)
and fast set up with dengo rilla and harc, indeedee also helps dengo set up
what do we think

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talon flame?

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or maybe whiums

dense latch
next stump
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fire jacket

dense latch
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what form/gender are you using for ursa and indeedee? i think you could do something with tflame indeedee-f sneasler blursa

round abyss
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hmmm

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i like rilla and harc

forest arrow
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You’d probably like Justin Tangs team

round abyss
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what is it

forest arrow
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I don’t have it, but I know it’s Harc Rilla Ghold for sure

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Grassy seed Ghold iirc

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Dragonite

solid frigate
forest arrow
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A9

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I forgot the last member maybe Amoongus

nocturne holly
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Nah I like that

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Do you remember from what regional

forest arrow
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I’ll try to find the team for you

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Toronto

dense latch
forest arrow
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Thanks Erik

dense latch
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np, been using something very similar so i have it on me

nocturne holly
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hmm that’s a good place to start (this is my alt btw

forest arrow
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It’s a good team

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Fits right up your ally

nocturne holly
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Yea lol

forest arrow
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Grassy seed Dengo is also neat

nocturne holly
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Ima play with it a little

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Ima prob swap sneasler and a9 for something

dense latch
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sneasler is really important for the team

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coaching is essential for dnite and great for harc

nocturne holly
jade dust
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I find powercreep in Pokemon funny

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Cuz let’s look at paradox pokemon

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They have less stats than pseudos

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The key difference is their stats are better distributed

dense latch
nocturne holly
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Nah I mean the team as a whole

dense latch
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it helps to get rid of archaludon for example

solid frigate
dense latch
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rilla + tera water dengo to keep fake out and terrain support

jade dust
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So powercreep is more of, not wasting your stat points

dense latch
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you can use the turn they waste setting up tr to get a nasty plot up and hopefully get into a position where you can stall out tr through protecting

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honestly i haven't figured out my lines that well into hard tr either

nocturne holly
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What are you running?

dense latch
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the team i sent

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but with a few changes like sash sneasler with no protect

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and cloak a9

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my dnite is also haze over tailwind and tera steel

nocturne holly
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Oh nice

dense latch
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the og team is probably going to work better but the changes are just for my own comfort

nocturne holly
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Nah I feel you

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Illl make some tweaks as well

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I’m thinking fari over a9

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Or maybe some type of redirection

rustic mountain
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wish reg h was on cart

rustic mountain
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including this guy twice, this go around he opted out of dozo cuz it didnt go so well the first time

nocturne holly
rustic mountain
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as them?

nocturne holly
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Or was

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Whoever ayofuego is

rustic mountain
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me

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same 6?

nocturne holly
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Yeaaa

rustic mountain
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nice

nocturne holly
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How are they working for u

rustic mountain
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its my fav core of reg h

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i began reg h with it basically and ended reg h w/ it haha

foggy lodge
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Fun fact Cischke won game 3 of worlds finals without restticteds

rustic mountain
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was literally the first team i made for the format, def went thru a few refinements and what not and i did try out some other teams but that was def the mainstay squad

nocturne holly
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nice that’s good

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Im still working on items and moves a little
What r u running for pelipper

rustic mountain
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good mons, good synergy, good flexibility, im pretty comfortable w/ it. mostly just me coming back being rusty thats more problematic then anything lol

rustic mountain
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tera ground for the arch mirror so it doesnt spam electro shots freely into me for 2 turns

nocturne holly
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Yea that’s what I’m running
I was thinking bout running hh idk tho

rustic mountain
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i think peli has 4 moveslot syndrome

nocturne holly
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Definitely

rustic mountain
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theres quite a few different sets u could reasonably run

nocturne holly
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Wide guard as well even though it’s not as good now

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I’ve seen a ton without tw as well

rustic mountain
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yea id say def not really the move atm

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i personally think tailwind is necessary, especially for my team

tiny karmaBOT
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Pelipper's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Knock Off, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Payback, Pluck, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Sky Attack, Sky Drop, Steel Wing, Take Down, Thief, U-turn, Waterfall, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Echoed Voice, Gust, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Ominous Wind, Round, Scald, Shock Wave, Snore, Spit Up, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aqua Ring, Attract, Captivate, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Growl, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Mist, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Soak, Stockpile, Substitute, Supersonic, Swagger, Swallow, Tailwind, Toxic, Water Sport, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pelipper.

Sableye version 4.28.2
foggy lodge
nocturne holly
foggy lodge
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Tailwind/Wide Guard/Helping Hand are super valuable moves

nocturne holly
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I’ve seen chilling water get a little use

rustic mountain
# foggy lodge A bit

its not like grimm, whims or even incin levels but theres a few different moves u could swap out depending on team comp

foggy lodge
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Mhm

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
nocturne holly
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Btw what’s your tr line for the team

foggy lodge
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The Ursa is tera normal now tho

rustic mountain
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if u could work in dengo, the dug core is very strong

rustic mountain
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usually some form of peli/shroom/incin/dengo/basc works

nocturne holly
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Mhm yea

forest arrow
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Tree

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What’s up

nocturne holly
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When I think about it trick room is such a good move conceptually and fundamentally - like it adds so much to vgc and the comp scene

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Like imagine if there was no tr

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It take away so many options and team comps

foggy lodge
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I forgot Annihilape has coaching

forest arrow
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Damn Sauce lol

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Here’s what I cooked up

foggy lodge
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Volc Rilla Dnite Buzz is so broken

nocturne holly
rustic mountain
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ngl im not really a lines person, i feel u can get relegated to trying to play a certain way everytime whereas its so fluid wen u play different teams/ppl i try and just give myself a general gist of what im trynna do, and match that into wat i feel they are trynna do and go off in the moment vibes haha. its not like i dont think macro or anything but idk i just find the having lines aspect can be kinda counter productive in a lot of cases

rustic mountain
forest arrow
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Me too, I just worked on that team^ gonna try and stick with it

foggy lodge
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I like having lines

nocturne holly
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Me too

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Or just a general game plan of what to play for

forest arrow
foggy lodge
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But you can't have lines into everything and even in the MUs you have lines into you will have to improvise stuff

nocturne holly
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I mean that’s a given
Not every game is gonna play the same

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
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general gameplan isnt having lines. having lines is this is what i do if player does x, if they do y then i do this. its too reactive and is a bit over the top trynna go down each and every bit of likely possibility when like theres so many variables at every given turn u just try ur best to narrow the scope of what u think is reasonable and make the best informed decision in that moment

nocturne holly
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Yea no I see that

rustic mountain
nocturne holly
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When I meant lines I moreso like generally what I should go for

next stump
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I think for 99% of players lines shouldn’t extend past turn 2

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or you’re wasting your time thinking theory

foggy lodge
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Ayo Dragonite gets encore

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Is it time for rocky helmet encore dnite

forest arrow
dense latch
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my lines are my 4 mons and then i just improvise from there

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we go off vibes and pray

nocturne holly
nocturne holly
dense latch
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i'm playing this team alongside a friend but he's using ebuzz over a9

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so that might be worth considering

next stump
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why do you dislike the a9? i think it’s good for the dragons, but yeah if you’re set on getting rid of it consider redirection

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big maushold fan

dense latch
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ice coverage is amazing in reg h

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  • the weather control
forest arrow
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Also was thinking of magmar since fire types want to hit gholdy

fluid fiber
nocturne holly
nocturne holly
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So does magmar

red willow
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We may be able to play in reg j yet

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Think I worked out an arceus trade finally lmao

bold geode
craggy dagger
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you always hold me hostage in your basement until i make a team that satisfies your craziness kekwhy

brave hazel
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Noob question, but using a ground terra on a flying type isn’t 4x effective weakness against ice yes ? Because it removes the flying part

dense latch
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your pokemon would then just be ground type

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so it's just 2x

brave hazel
dense latch
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yes

brave hazel
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but not the defence. Got it

dull ibex
brave hazel
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so ground terra charzard can be hit by EQ then

dense latch
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defensive attributes are replaced by the tera type, the offensive attributes are added on to those that the pokemon already had

dense latch
brave hazel
#

you just keep your original weaknesses right ?

dense latch
#

it keeps the original type's defensive attributes

brave hazel
#

Tryna figure out the best terra type for charzard. Originally I was gonna go ground

#

running Stella atm, but there’s just to many faster threats out there now

polar canyon
#

I love fighting gimmick teams in this reg

polar canyon
#

So the best use case for stellar tera is when you want the boost on both of the pokemons type

#

That's how stellar tera won the final round of worlds

brave hazel
#

He seriously needs a buff.

polar canyon
#

You're running 4 attacks charizard?

polar canyon
brave hazel
dense latch
polar canyon
#

Ah makes sense now

#

I have no idea how good it might be in singles

#

Don't bring that guy to doubles

brave hazel
#

Charzard timid
Life orb
Solar power

Heat wave
Solar beam
Dragon pulse
Air cutter “ I think “

Stella Terra

brave hazel
dense latch
polar canyon
#

To each their own

brave hazel
polar canyon
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

honestly
gmax wasn’t that bad to deal against
at least
compared to mega

brave hazel
brave hazel
nocturne holly
dense latch
brave hazel
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
#

I still don’t think tho dmax deserves all the hate it gets

polar canyon
nocturne holly
#

Ig the gimmick as a concept was a little boring

polar canyon
#

Honestly the concept was the only good part I love the idea of pokemon kaiju battles

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And it looks really cool in game

brave hazel
#

I pare it with kyraidon to set the sun up. Get a lot of kyogres in single. That’s the main threat, then faster mons like flutter & scarfed cally etc

craggy dagger
brave hazel
#

Totally didn’t spell that right

dense latch
#

idk how well charizard might fair, in formats with legendaries chi yu seems strictly better

polar canyon
#

Honestly now I'm wondering what has more raw damage

dense latch
#

if you just don't want to run that many legendaries then go for it i suppose

polar canyon
#

Tera fire koraidon or charizard

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Charizard has the natural stab but koraidon is koraidon

#

Well a life orb koraidon would probably hit harder than a life orb charizard

tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: G-Max Wildfire

Power is equal to the base move's Max Move power. If this move is successful, for 4 turns each non-Fire-type Pokemon on the opposing side takes damage equal to 1/6 of its maximum HP, rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect, including the last turn.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

10

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2
brave hazel
# polar canyon Tera fire koraidon or charizard

I run both sometimes. I put them into chat GPT

Charzard solar power, with life orb under sun & terra fire boost does more damage then ky under sun with flairblits

But I add a band to kyr & that does way more damage then charzard

polar canyon
#

You asked chatgpt for a team?

brave hazel
#

Damage cals

dense latch
#

i'd use pokemon damage calcs to see what does more damage i feel like that's more practical

nocturne holly
#

4/6 of their HP as a SIDE EFFECT

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On both opposing mons

polar canyon
dense latch
#

like that one ^

polar canyon
#

Don't use chatgpt for math use this

#

It's 100% accurate to the game

brave hazel
#

even things that resist

nocturne holly
#

Chat gpt is def not accurate for that

polar canyon
#

Chatgpt misses a lot

nocturne holly
#

A lot

brave hazel
#

I don’t even remember megas, so long ago. Was mega X even a good threat ?

polar canyon
#

When I ask it for help with math stuff I just see what methods it uses and do it myself because it's really good at knowing the formulas and methods and really bad at executing them

#

Don't trust gpt with calculations

brave hazel
#

The total I got for kyr was 702 damage output

solid frigate
brave hazel
#

From memory, I could be wrong

polar canyon
nocturne holly
#

X not so much

brave hazel
nocturne holly
#

For vgc atleast

brave hazel
#

that’s the maths I got anyways

polar canyon
brave hazel
#

but I ain’t ever seen any pokemon with stand it

polar canyon
tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: G-Max Rapid Flow

Power is equal to the base move's Max Move power. This move bypasses all protection effects, including Max Guard.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

10

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2
#
Ability: Moxie

This Pokemon's Attack is raised by 1 stage if it attacks and knocks out another Pokemon.

Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 805: Stakataka
Types

Rock/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/131/211/53/101/13

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.2
nocturne holly
#

Ultra beasts would’ve been so fun

#

Body press on that would’ve healed me ❤️

craggy dagger
#

trick room body press

solid frigate
#

Ah yes the Pokémon that wants its Defense stat to be lower

craggy dagger
#

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 164 HP / 244+ Def Stakataka: 120-144 (76.4 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

craggy dagger
solid frigate
#

Beast Boost

#

You already have Iron Defense right

nocturne holly
#

How do u guys think champions is going to handle regulations

#

Like sv early regs were just mons that could be found in game

#

Is champions gonna do that but for gen 10

craggy dagger
#

oh

craggy dagger
nocturne holly
# craggy dagger why

Yea u want beast boost to boost atk
Its def was so absurdly high u had to lower def ivs I think, maybe lower than 20? To get an atk boost

foggy lodge
#

Are we really creative teambuilders if we haven't used the razor claw?

cyan smelt
#

i hope that shedinja doesn't come back immediately

solid frigate
#

I am not dealing with it unless you build Sand

cyan smelt
#

i sincerely hope they avoid shedinja + tera

solid frigate
polar canyon
#

I've lost every speed tie since I made this csr team

craggy dagger
solid frigate
tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: Sandstorm

For 5 turns, the weather becomes Sandstorm. At the end of each turn except the last, all active Pokemon lose 1/16 of their maximum HP, rounded down, unless they are a Ground, Rock, or Steel type, or have the Magic Guard, Overcoat, Sand Force, Sand Rush, or Sand Veil Abilities. During the effect, the Special Defense of Rock-type Pokemon is multiplied by 1.5 when taking damage from a special attack. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Smooth Rock. Fails if the current weather is Sandstorm.

Type

Rock

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.2
red willow
#

What go good with ekiller arceus

ocean pawn
polar canyon
#

@craggy dagger was the ladder pikachu mimikyu player you

#

Or did I just stumble into another pikachu mimikyu somehow

craggy dagger
#

nope

#

i’m
not playin atm

rustic mountain
#

shiny wo chien obtained business

mighty stump
#

fuk u

rustic mountain
#

go claim it wtf

ocean pawn
lofty tartan
#

A wild Tofu spotting. Weird.

bold geode
solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

3-0 for the return to cart ladder, rank decay is so much more in sv lmao dropped all the way to pokeball

#

back to great ball rn but yeeesh

polar canyon
#

I gotta learn to stop playing when I'm pissed off so I don't snowball down because I can't think when playing

#

It started with a smeargle

#

Cts ladder smeargle now declared most unlikable pokemon in the world and banned from all parties and clubs

brave hazel
#

Charzard has access to better physical moves then sp in my opinion

#

For X is the better choice

lofty tartan
polar canyon
#

I never played online with megas but I can only assume it's easier to build a team that synergizes with zard y

rustic mountain
#

last season i played i was top 2000 rank by the end of the szn, its barely been 3 months and im pokeball 5? like damn

polar canyon
#

Everyone else just ranked up and left you behind

solid frigate
mighty stump
#

@rustic mountain r u excited for rinya sun to return

gentle cragBOT
brave hazel
#

Well in my opinion, Y looks sick to tho

#

idk why plant boy & blast didn’t get 2 megas tho

rustic mountain
brave hazel
#

Actually gonna go shiny farm a squirtle tonight tbh. Make a rain dish rain team for the boredom

mighty stump
polar canyon
brave hazel
#

6v6 carnage

polar canyon
#

Even if I don't play singles I can kind of take the guess that it does not appreciate stuff like miraidon

polar canyon
brave hazel
polar canyon
#

Whatever is the most fun for you I guess

brave hazel
#

Idk why it can’t be 6

#

Legit 6 slots to a normal team

polar canyon
#

Probably so you have to think harder about what to bring each match

#

And also probably so it doesn't last super long

#

It works in doubles I couldn't imagine if it was just 6v6 doubles the whole time

brave hazel
#

6v6 requires so much skill tho, entry hazards galore. Constant switching in & out. Seriously having to plan 4 steps ahead. Setting your self up for good set ups

#

It’s just fun

polar canyon
#

I feel like it's just different sets of skills since it plays pretty differently

rustic mountain
#

hopefully not for awhile lmao

brave hazel
solid frigate
brave hazel
#

In 6v6 singles you have enough time sometimes to set up weaker mons that can straight delete a legend

stone trellis
#

You really wanna do this?

brave hazel
#

I’m not hating or anything

polar canyon
brave hazel
#

I’m glad it has a thriving comp scene & if there isn’t anything ranked for 6v6 in champions, I’ll be joining the double hype

polar canyon
#

If there was ranked 6v6 I can assure you it would be pretty stale too to those standards

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

So do Pokemon in doubles, just not in tournaments.

brave hazel
#

Like ceruludge “ idk the spelling “ does super well in 6v6 singles if you can set him up right on a optimal switch in

stone trellis
#

If Ceruledge was just a tiny bit faster, it would be way better.

polar canyon
#

Anything can work well if you're just playing with casuals which there's no shame in doing

#

I think there's no shame in doing it

brave hazel
#

Yeah but the players that play it have gotten really good at doing it. Which makes it none casual

#

If you get what I mean

#

of course you get random kids with teams of 6 legends, but there never IV or EV trained or proper Strats

polar canyon
#

Well I'm glad you're having fun

brave hazel
#

But I’ll start looking at doubles when champion drops, gonna keep shiny farming for me

solid frigate
#

oh boy we are in this arguement again-

brave hazel
#

have 290 shinys atm

stone trellis
brave hazel
#

not even an argument, just a discussion

polar canyon
#

You counted?

stone trellis
#

Damn, I didn't even know it was 9:29 when he posted it.

brave hazel
#

is dragonite good in doubles ? Or used in comp at all

stone trellis
#

It was just a guess.

solid frigate
stone trellis
polar canyon
#

It's the extreme speed sword of ruin combo

brave hazel
#

So many regs & restrictions in it, I feel like my head would burst

stone trellis
#

Even with restricteds, a Dragonite-Chien team went really well at the World Championships.

brave hazel
#

What’s the restrictions on it

polar canyon
brave hazel
#

they count uber tier as legendary ?

polar canyon
#

When we mention restricteds it's restricted kegendaries, basically op box art legendaries are allowed but you can only have 2 per team

#

Not all of them are good

stone trellis
# brave hazel What’s the restrictions on it

Restricted Pokemon are the following legendaries: Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Calyrex, Koraidon, Miraidon and Terapagos.

mighty stump
stone trellis
#

Including any special forms they might have.

mighty stump
#

You can’t apply Smogon tiering to VGC

brave hazel
#

I thought Caly was allowed in comp ?

polar canyon
#

Yeah it's there in the list

stone trellis
#

It is allowed.

brave hazel
#

You said restricted, I thought that meant not allowed

stone trellis
#

Restricted legendaries are legal, but only for specific formats.

polar canyon
#

You're restricted to a maximum of 2

brave hazel
#

That makes sense then

polar canyon
#

Of the ones in the list

brave hazel
#

Do a lot of people use flutter ?

rustic mountain
polar canyon
#

Yes expect a little rise since it won worlds

stone trellis
brave hazel
polar canyon
#

Its not as common as it used to be

#

It was better before they released the regulation with the restricted legends

brave hazel
#

I run choice specs flutter timid, I use the sun to boost its speed.

stone trellis
polar canyon
#

Idk how common specs is right now but that's one way to do it

#

Sash and booster energy are common

stone trellis
#

Specs isn't extremely common, but it can work.

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

So Mystical Fire and Power Gem?

brave hazel
#

That’s the one

stone trellis
#

Would you make it Tera Stellar?

#

Or Tera Fairy for the resistance?

polar canyon
#

If youre playing specs flutter in doubles you can run moonblast and dazzling gleam

#

Gleam hits both targets

stone trellis
#

Oh yeah, those sets.

#

Yeah, then it turns into a mini Miraidon.

brave hazel
#

I haven’t touched its terra, it’s still just ghost, I’ve never needed to terra it. I just use it for quick revenge killing once my kyr dies

stone trellis
#

You might need to at one point.

rustic mountain
#

booster or sash feels best atm

stone trellis
#

Just make it Tera Fairy for the Dark resistance and powering up Gleam/Moonblast.

rustic mountain
#

every flutter in the top 16 had sash, doesnt mean u have to but something to note shrug

polar canyon
#

Actually dude you've heard of pokemon showdown right

stone trellis
#

With Sash, you can run Moonblast, Shadow Ball, Icy Wind and Protect.

mighty stump
#

As much as Zam failed to win, its no doubt stupid consistent

stone trellis
#

Consistently unable to click Wide Guard when it needs to because "muh pressure"? Absolutely.

polar canyon
#

I didn't even register that korai cir ended third

stone trellis
#

It did.

#

And I was rooting for Hirofumi to win.

#

JUST GIVE US A CIR WIN IN MASTERS ALREADY

#

It's won literally every other level of tournament.

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

Normal Tera also works pretty well.

#

Chi-Yu + Flutter Mane is also a great combination.

polar canyon
#

That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea

brave hazel
polar canyon
#

Maybe not the best idea but not a bad idea

brave hazel
#

because I got choice locked to shadow ball

rustic mountain
stone trellis
#

Way better than mr. Potential Mon over here.

image0.gif
brave hazel
#

My fav pokemon tho atm is archuludon

#

however it’s spelled, thing is amazing

rustic mountain
stone trellis
#

Meet Potential Mon!
"He has the potential to rival Zacian"
"His complete Stellar form will go crazy"
"He'll win a tournament too eventually"
"Just wait until he wins Worlds"
0 tournaments won
0 relevance
7 different Pokemon who bully it
Give me liberty
Give me fire
Give me a Terastallised Pokemon without Wide Guard
Or I retire
"If" and "when" but never "is"
Use my wide movepool, good stats and great ability to the fullest? ❌
Spam Calm Mind and let the Urshifu obliterate me with CC ✅

#

(I made this myself lmao)

rustic mountain
#

a cppl made day 2 but yea just a weird mon to make work given the format

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

I tried using it in Tera Raids.

#

Then I realised that Enamorus is a better Tera Stellar user.

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

Yeah, I've used it quite a bit.

#

Why?

brave hazel
stone trellis
#

Wait until you see Archaludon in Regulation H.

#

Reg H is simple: no legendaries (regular or restricted) and no Paradox Pokemon.

#

You can see why Archaludon and some other guys would thrive in such a meta.

brave hazel
#

In singles I see people using that mouse pokemon thing, there’s 3 of them & they use population bomb. I love switching in on that. Instant max defence

#

Same as water strike ursh

#

close combat is goodnight tho

stone trellis
#

Maushold and Archaludon love being paired too.

#

See, Maushold can target its own partner Archaludon with Population Bomb and instantly get it to max Defense.

#

Plus, it can use Follow Me for redirection.

short quiver
#

idk if showdown is down or what but can one of you tell me the highest base attack a +attack nature level 5 scorbunny can have

#

ok so showdown is down great

waxen dock
#

How am i supposed to get raging bolt if i dont have pokemkn scarlet?

short quiver
#

do i keep that chat

IMG_0729.png
#

calced for a level 7 scorbunny

stone trellis
brave hazel
#

I caught a shiny great tusk, are these things any good

#

I read that choice scarfing them goes pretty hard

stone trellis
#

In singles, yeah.

brave hazel
#

Charzard is just so mid. As if a solar ability & life orb dragon pulse does not straight delete a salamance

#

2hp is crazy

#

then I got deleted with a dragon claw

polar canyon
brave hazel
#

no matter how you set it up

polar canyon
#

You were going on about how it's like really awesome and great

versed river
#

unless you mean singles

brave hazel
#

Or what he used

brave hazel
#

If you can find the set, let me know, dying to see it

versed river
brave hazel
#

Yeah I know, I really wanna see the build

versed river
brave hazel
gentle cragBOT
brave hazel
#

I took a screen shot of that team

versed river
brave hazel
#

Thank you, I might use it as my 1st doubles team as I transgress into doubles from singles

#

I’ll get the rough run down off doubles,

versed river
#

if you wanna see him use it theres probably recordings of him playing the team on stream but seeing as doubles is only 4 out of your 6 pokemon every battle i cant guarantee he used charizard on them

versed river
brave hazel
#

Yeah I forgot it’s not 6x on doubles

#

Damn

versed river
#

ah nvm it looks the same, maybe i was just imagining things

polar canyon
#

I'm kinda happy with this but it might need tweaks

#

Any similarity to worlds teams is a coincidence obviously

#

The defenses on electabuzz aren't for anything specific anymore because it was calcd for glacial lance 3hko but I decided to scrap that for speed to taunt smeargle

#

Any thoughts on how to improve?

#

I added bonnet last minute to better get around some of the reg j gimmicks going around

stone trellis
polar canyon
#

I mean you played it well I just feel like the turn 1 tera changed nothing

stone trellis
#

I don't know, I'm just a monkey-brained idiot.

#

That Speed tie win turn 1 probably saved my ass.

polar canyon
#

So like

#

Do you think anything of my team?

stone trellis
#

Why does Chi-Yu have Psychic?

#

And what's the point in having Brute Bonnet be 0 Speed?

polar canyon
stone trellis
#

Oh yeah, most of them run Tera Water.

polar canyon
polar canyon
stone trellis
polar canyon
#

My lead into that is bonnet csr and protect csr in case ape just shadow claws instead

#

If it locks into shadow claw it's even better

stone trellis
polar canyon
#

Magearna sleeps and I get to rage powder a weak resisted shadow claw

stone trellis
#

I never got the hype of Scarf Ape, honestly.

polar canyon
#

Bonnet is my answer to tr including magearna gimmicks but otherwise I like buzz for redirection as it's also speed control and taunt

polar canyon
stone trellis
stone trellis
polar canyon
#

Yes

stone trellis
polar canyon
#

If so many people do it it's probably good

stone trellis
#

I already have Farigiraf and CIR, I don't need Magearna to have the move as well.

polar canyon
#

Buzz is also my darkrai gimmick answer

#

Just having vital spirit and taunt

#

And it's faster than smeargle

stone trellis
#

I should honestly just replace Magearna with Miraidon, but Chesto Berry Farigiraf is just way too fucking funny.

polar canyon
#

Honestly electabuzz carries I don't get why people don't use it

#

Like it's great for redirection support on a setup pokemon like nasty plot csr

#

It doesn't have friend guard but it comes with speed control

stone trellis
#

Because "muh Clefairy can use After You in TR!".

polar canyon
#

Also spore redirection

stone trellis
#

I'd argue Ogerpon does that better.

polar canyon
#

But does ogerpon have speed control

stone trellis
#

No.

#

Stop soying out over Electabuzz having speed control, it's not special.

polar canyon
#

I think it is

#

Wonder if I should change anything about my csr tho

#

Like do I just keep max max

craggy dagger
polar canyon
#

??

craggy dagger
#

-# i know im such a good player right MumeiWheeze

woven pelican
craggy dagger
#

cuz i’m stupid

woven pelican
#

nova I can't tell if this was a bad play or it's some mind trick

polar canyon
craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

uhm

#

nova……

polar canyon
#

Sneasler clearly protected from the encore

craggy dagger
woven pelican
#

still, funny to watch

polar canyon
#

Nothing a few lucky sneasler turns can't fix

craggy dagger
#

i was in so much pain after that turn-

woven pelican
#

whether it was to encore the sneasler into continuous protects or protect blocked it doesn't matter, it was funny

craggy dagger
#

i should not have won that at all

woven pelican
#

well, painful for nova, but funny for us

craggy dagger
#

also tera dark did nothing as well kekwhy

woven pelican
#

oh yeah it did jack shit KEKHANDS

polar canyon
#

Just say that's what happened

craggy dagger
woven pelican
#

amazing

stone trellis
#

I've lost entire games to a misclick before.

woven pelican
#

if only it was the sneasler that survived it all instead of indeedee KEK

polar canyon
#

I've lost entire games to coming up with a plan that would win then forgetting to execute it when selecting moves

stone trellis
polar canyon
stone trellis
polar canyon
#

After thinking "I should click ghost tera it's literally the safest play"

#

And I went on to have my chi yu one shot by extreme speed

#

By a 25% hp arceus

bold geode
polar canyon
#

Hey monke can you look at my team real quick

craggy dagger
knotty mirage
nocturne holly
#

What do we think about electabuzz and clef and magmortar rn

woven pelican
#

what i've learnt for myself is that I don't like comp battles, so all i do on showdown is random battles and the occassional free for all

chrome knot
bold geode
craggy dagger
bold geode
#

I'm cookin
The house is burning

polar canyon
bold geode
woven pelican
#

I don't open showdown a lot

polar canyon
#

I'm happy with the composition so far but it still needs tweaking

stone trellis
# stone trellis I remember facing down against a guy with dual bikes + Scovillain.

I had a perfect game plan, lead CIR + Ogerpon, Trick Room and Follow Me. Their Scovillain would Spicy Extract the Ogerpon, which would get OHKO'd by Koraidon. However, in the endgame, I missed High Horsepower into their Tera Fire Koraidon twice in a row, which lose me the game. We then did a rematch, I played the exact same way and I won because there were no crucial missed moves. Then in game 3, I decided to start innovating for some reason and I lost.

woven pelican
#

I get the gist of how to do battle, i just can't play for the life of me so i decide to let the game give me a random team and play that instead

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
woven pelican
#

good thing about that is that the opponent also gets a random team

nocturne holly
#

How does he feel

craggy dagger
#

teambuilding sucks

polar canyon
#

Electabuzz is goated genuinely

stone trellis
craggy dagger
#

though it’s also a lot of fun ChenShrug

stone trellis
#

I can always help with that.

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 126: Magmar
Type

Fire

Abilities

Flame Body, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/95/57/100/85/93

Total

495

Sableye version 4.28.2
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Pokémon No. 125: Electabuzz
Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/83/57/95/85/105

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.2
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Also do you plan on using this for J or something

polar canyon
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Yes

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I've been doing that

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What’s that buzz calced for I might steal it

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Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo
Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2
woven pelican
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So it's kinda just random numbers now lol

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Oh

woven pelican
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I need to fix that soon

bold geode
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does rlectabuzz need all that bulk for reg h
That’s what I’m gonna use it for

nocturne holly
polar canyon
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Not sure about timid specs

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What are the EVs on it?

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It's on the team

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252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 228 HP / 172 SpD Eviolite Electabuzz: 144-171 (85.2 - 101.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

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Not bad at all.

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I probably did that on purpose but forgot

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But yeah, Modest fucks it up majorly.

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Bonnet is such a major help for cir indeedee follow me tr leads

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Medicine for chronic man disease

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wHAT

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I hope that's not an offensive thing to say

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The cringe is stronger than Specs Electro Drift with this one 💔

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Campfire's message.

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i mean theyre right

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I hope they find the cure for man someday

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"Man is a disease upon the world" ahh 🥀

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Oh God, I actually felt chest pain now.

polar canyon
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I mean that's not what I'm referring to but that's still right

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luckily its a curable disease

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I'm not even joking, I could feel my heart trying to strangle itself.

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Because depending on the one you mean, the answer is wildly different.

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man disease is curable yes

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lots of cool medications in my drawer about it

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This will sound weird, but I'm going to ask it anyway: Is every single person in this channel part of the LGBTQ+ community?

bold geode
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not everyone

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I mean I like kissing my homies but that's not gay

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LOL

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right. and im supposed to believe this

stone trellis
bold geode
polar canyon
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Anyone have a harc spread

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I just don't care about like
Masculinity

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I'd consider myself an ally but I don't think that counts

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Oh fuck, I almost snapped my neck in half.

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He just supports all the Fire types.

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"lgbtqia+ members are the dps, the allies are the support roles"

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What would tera fire mean in this metaphor

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this an interesting way to dodge being

woven pelican
stone trellis
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you know what…. lmfao

stone trellis
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it's the same as being dual type, you can be both

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so what abt primal groudon

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is that her transitioning…?

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though i think being dual type would make it like you have 2? like Aroace

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Nah, I think he's just gay.

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why just gay youre adding something new by this point lol

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@bold geode i think primal groudon is allegory for trans women

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Groudon is gay?

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Also, why would Primal Groudon, the literal reversion back to Groudon's original state, be the transition?

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If anything, it's a detransition.

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so what ur telling me is

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primal groudon —> groudon is her transition

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i get it now

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Yeah, most likely.

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good for her, im proud of her

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Either that or Rayquaza beat its ass so hard that it fucked up its brain chemistry and became not LGBTQ.