competitive_discussion

[short quiver]

yeahhhh my only answer to electric bike is scarf cat triple axel

if i could use white kyurem i would

but idk about that in a rain team

[dense latch]

are there any other restricteds you like

[short quiver]

🙂

i like terapagos but i used it too much and im kinda bored of it

could i use black/white kyurem maybe

preferably white but black if better suited

[dense latch]

yea those are both bad

[short quiver]

other than that as far as restricteds go…. not really

id say galarian articuno but its not even restricted

nor is ogerpon or latias

[dense latch]

ogerpon is really good

it's not typically used next to kyogre though

usually kyogre teams like rillaboom more

[short quiver]

but who would i have to get rid of to add her

[dense latch]

i'd say meowscarada just off typing but then you're even weaker to miraidon

[short quiver]

yeah since meowscarada is my only answer to it

[dense latch]

but that's a bit of a given when both your restricteds drop to edrift

[short quiver]

could i tera ground lugia?

🤔

[dense latch]

sure

you could drop recover for earth power if you wanna

[short quiver]

bet

i have to defeat kieran of blueberry academy

and then rng hoping mr snackworth gives me lugia quickly

id like to say for the record the indigo disk dlc is quite possibly the most fun i’ve ever had in a pokemon game

i LOVE that its all double battles

[short quiver]

yo @dense latch sorry for ping, but could i give latias helping hand?🤔

[dull ibex]

I GOT SHINY SMEARGLE

[short quiver]

congrats on your grey nightmare

[dull ibex]

yellow

[short quiver]

isnt shiny smeargle grey

[dull ibex]

no

[short quiver]

i already knew i was colorblind 🤷‍♂️

[short quiver]

do you think i should shiny hunt latias

🙂

[dull ibex]

sure

[short quiver]

im using it in my competitive team

so it being shiny would be a bonus

sure its not a very good mon, but i love my little jet plane

[dense latch]

probably yea

if you can slot it in

[short quiver]

what could i trade for it

between tailwind raindance and protect

[dense latch]

rain dance feels the most replaceable to me

[short quiver]

aight

it was only to keep rain up for archaludon anyways

[short quiver]

could i also trade mistball for alluring voice?

[bold geode]

@chrome knot make me a Krabby Patty

[chrome knot]

no bitch

[bold geode]

But I want you to make me a Krabby Patty

[chrome knot]

boop beep boop

boop beep boop

start diggin in yo butt twin 🤖

[bold geode]

What

WHAAAAAAATTTT

Ngl I just wanted to bother you lol

ACTUALLY WAIT
There was a couple women fighting in the parking lot today

[cyan smelt]

Monke ur up too late again

[bold geode]

It's 10 PM

[short quiver]

very competitive discussion chat

[bold geode]

Sybau

Sdiybt

[short quiver]

beep boop beep beep beep boop start diggin in yo butt twin

[dull ibex]

GET WEILDED

[bold geode]

I cast iron

https://tenor.com/view/maymay-entrata-marydale-smash-frying-pan-mad-gif-17894317

[short quiver]

i just BODIED the steel girl in the blueberry academy

holy crap she got bodied

[dull ibex]

I could body all of blueberry academy if i wanted 😎

[short quiver]

“whaddya mean by that”

[dense latch]

what for

[short quiver]

miraidon

[dense latch]

latias gets ice beam too which also helps against other mons

i'd use that i feel like it's better coverage

[short quiver]

isnt fairy a really strong offensive type

[dense latch]

hits lando, rillaboom, bolt, amoonguss, torn, etc

ice is also a great offensive type

[waxen dock]

Who uses latias?

[short quiver]

me

[waxen dock]

But it gets ohkoed by miraidon

[short quiver]

your point

so do 90% of pokemon

[waxen dock]

And it has bad mu to chien pao

[short quiver]

you cant make me hate my beloved jet girl

i’ll use her if i damn well want to

my whole team is mons i love

besides kyogre who is there so the team can actually work

[short quiver]

so you suggest ice beam over alluring voice

i like mist ball i just dont think its the best move for this team

and i have 3 support moves so i only got one attack slot

[waxen dock]

What is the team?

[short quiver]

kyogre lugia latias basculegion meowscarada archaludon

[waxen dock]

I meant paste

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/03b7f2eb2e02b407

with helping hand instead of rain dance on latias

i found helping hand more beneficial

[waxen dock]

But there are a lot of koraidon that can make hard mu to kyogre

[short quiver]

latias has mist ball meowscarada has triple axel basculegion can revenge someone with life orb last respects

[solid frigate]

kid named Flame Charge

[short quiver]

kid named rain

[foggy lodge]

kid named orichalcum pulse

[waxen dock]

Kid named weezing

[woven pelican]

Kid

[bold geode]

[woven pelican]

[solid frigate]

lobotomy

[short quiver]

kid named rain dance

wouldnt a koraidon be faster than a kyogre? 🤔

[molten oasis]

yes but kyogre still doesnt do all that much to koraidon

[solid frigate]

+Koraidon still 2HKO with Lorb CC

without Sun

[cyan smelt]

yay tera dark pecharunt won me the game against caly shadow

[short quiver]

what 😭

you mean the pechurant whos only good stat is its defense?

[strange fjord]

nah, the other pecharunt i think

[short quiver]

it has to be

[cyan smelt]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2420015096-pilujhjdt6kjq1ci036sae8hivk16s2pw

[short quiver]

😮

[short quiver]

i am sorry i ever doubted you pechurant

the loyal three aren’t restricted right?

[strange fjord]

they arent restricted

[jade dust]

Interesting team

I have never seen Dozo with caly ice

[cyan smelt]

well either caly ice or dozo can benefit from no retreat

[stone trellis]

I'm so glad to see another person maintain the agenda 🥹

@jade dust Should we add him to the GC?

[jade dust]

Sure

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[cyan smelt]

The idea is to stall out the opponents with poison and dozo and leech seed

[strange fjord]

room service over a health recovery option?

[stone trellis]

Yo Kalos, can you friend me real quick?

[stone trellis]

Pech has god-awful Speed for TR and it's bulky enough, so it works out pretty well.

[strange fjord]

yeah but does it need to be slow in TR?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I want pecharunt to function in tr and take reduced knock off damage and the horses are still around

[strange fjord]

knock off damage reduction is understandable

cause something like rocky helmet can help chip away physical attackers. especially with its high defense

[jade dust]

88 speed isn’t that low

[cyan smelt]

Poison + rocky helmet, interesting

[jade dust]

But room service helps

[stone trellis]

The minimum Speed you get is 83.

[cyan smelt]

Turns out pecharunt is pretty difficult to remove

[short quiver]

a shame meloetta cant learn boomburst

[jade dust]

I do struggle to those Pecharunt and Dozo teams

Dozo in general is hard for me, even in reg I

[cyan smelt]

Now imagine dozo with no retreat boosts

[stone trellis]

Yeah, especially when positioned next to pieces that give it more longevity.

[jade dust]

I’m winning more recently but Dozo teams are the ones I have lost the most

[stone trellis]

One critical hit, bro.

[jade dust]

Either weezing caly shadow Dozo in Reg I

Or Pecharunt Dozo in J

[stone trellis]

I actually have a great record against CSR-Koraidon DozoGiri teams.

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but I'm poisoning them first so they have limited time to get a crit in

[stone trellis]

Maybe my opponents are all morons, but they let the Dondozo take way too much damage and I end up breaking through it way sooner than expected.

[cyan smelt]

I've never played dozo until now

I always hated it lol

I'm on my evil arc with poison stall

[solid frigate]

fuck you /j

[stone trellis]

The classic sign of a Zamazenta player, thinking that your mon is unkillable then getting humbled by Ogerpon.

[cyan smelt]

I can't wait to leech seed a zamazenta

[short quiver]

can someone tell me why meloetta cant learn boomburst

😔

[knotty mirage]

Balancing reason i guess

[short quiver]

but shes a mythical shes never been competitively legal anyways 😔

[knotty mirage]

Well it will be legal next month

[short quiver]

for the first time possibly ever

[knotty mirage]

But even then like the only normal type that can learn boomburst on SV is dudunsparce

[short quiver]

which is super lame

[knotty mirage]

Which already scream balancing reason

[short quiver]

give it to meloetta

shes the singing pokemon she should have that move 😭

[knotty mirage]

She doesn't want to sing that badly

[short quiver]

i guess not

im thinking about using her and im disappointed she cant get that move

[knotty mirage]

I mean she still have hyper voice so there's that

[short quiver]

yeah but compare 90 base power to boom burst 140

with normal stab

[molten oasis]

boomburst hits everything on the field

[short quiver]

im aware

[molten oasis]

including the other mon on your side of the field

[short quiver]

kid named ghost type

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 648: Meloetta

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Serene Grace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/77/77/128/128/90

Total

600

Other Formes

Meloetta-Pirouette

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

normal psychic?

[knotty mirage]

So you want to use it with caly s

[molten oasis]

[short quiver]

and transforma into a fighting psychic with its signature move

which i wont be using

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 648: Meloetta-Pirouette

Types

Normal/Fighting

Abilities

Serene Grace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/128/90/77/77/128

Total

600

Base Species

Meloetta

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

what is this mon lol

[knotty mirage]

The mechanic is weird to use on comp yeah

[molten oasis]

like your gimmick is changing from a special attacker to a phsical attacker? how would you even build that in the context of utliizing it lol

[short quiver]

im not going to

im not using relic song

[knotty mirage]

I presume gamefreak want people to use meloetta as some kind of mix attacker

[molten oasis]

yeah, i see that now

[short quiver]

gamefreak can SMD

[molten oasis]

[short quiver]

i want to catch her in a premier ball

[molten oasis]

is meloetta obtainable in SV?

[short quiver]

yes

[knotty mirage]

Yeah it is obtainable

[molten oasis]

is it an event?

[knotty mirage]

There specific way to get it on coastal biome

[molten oasis]

I see

[knotty mirage]

Like the step to get it feel like the mew under the truck tho it's complicated

[cyan smelt]

relic song is just a worse dark void

[short quiver]

what is bro yapping about

[knotty mirage]

There also shiny meloetta gift if you completed your SV HOME pokedex there that's i guess

[short quiver]

yeah but do i want to get all 400 mons

not really

[knotty mirage]

Fair point i'm also not doing that yet even tho i already completed the whole SV pokedex ingame

But the too recapture some of the mon and send it too HOME just sounds painful

[short quiver]

id like the shiny meloetta but MAN 100%ing that dex does not sound fun

i do have both games to get all the exclusives tho

[jade dust]

What am I looking at

[short quiver]

id say psyspam but that doesnt seem right

meloetta caught in premier ball

[molten oasis]

its little timmy's team

[near crag]

How good is tera fairy farig, currently?

I know it's used somewhat frequently, but idk if it fits the meta nicely rn

[stone trellis]

There are a lot of Dark types, so I think it could be pretty good.

It turns both of Farigiraf's weaknesses into resisted hits.

[short quiver]

the humble u turn:

why isnt this ogre oustin minigam giving me any fresh start mochi

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, Fairy's weak to Bug? Damn.

[stone trellis]

It doesn't give me any either.

[cyan smelt]

fairy is not weak to bug, it resists bug

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic.

[cyan smelt]

oh, hard to pick that up over text

[short quiver]

WHY WONT IT GIVE ME THE FRESH START MOCHI

[real prairie]

drop-rates on them suck which is such a shame.

Genuinely have better odds resetting for berries at the auction house

[waxen dock]

I gave up becajse they are too hard so i use the berries instead

Also in some cases the berries are better

[cyan smelt]

i think decorate smeargle is better than baton pass and i don't think dozo is good

maybe incin and urshifu are better

[lean ridge]

I hate how difficult it is to reset evs in SV 😭

Even the berries take ages to farm up

[real prairie]

I dropped decorate for Feint and never looked back

people expecting a fake out turn 1 and double protecting into Feint

Feint into wide guard

[cyan smelt]

what moves are you running on smeargle?

[real prairie]

Fake out, feint, Follow me, spore

Feint also super useful for finishing off focus sash mons

especially prankster Whims or Torn

they think they have an extra turn to get TW up, and you deny it

although debating swapping out spore, as a LOT of Miraidon around still

[stone trellis]

Wide Guard could be good on it.

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/JuanfiVGC/status/1955038222943474094?t=wdMy4nvx_f6kSubl1TIidg&s=19

Juan Francisco Salerno (@JuanfiVGC)

...

X · Aug 11, 2025, 10:46 PM

[dense latch]

https://x.com/JuanfiVGC/status/1955037648181137655 he's resorted to blackmail now

Juan Francisco Salerno (@JuanfiVGC)

Hola @marc0fier0 tengo un twit preparado sobre tu participación en el mundial podría considerar no twittearlo si en mis DMs me decís que versión de calydow zama vas a usar en el mundial.

Mucha mierda amigo :)

X · Aug 11, 2025, 10:44 PM

[stone trellis]

116+ Atk Tera Fighting Calyrex-Ice Helping Hand Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 186-220 (105.6 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This is certainly interesting.

[crimson vector]

Guys should i change miraidon or lunalas tera type and go with a tera blast because i always lose to zacian crowned

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have a super meta team I can use

[spiral ridge]

You have flare incin

Incin should be able to be your answer to zacian unless they’re ground Tera

Especially as you have a sunny day

Can I ask why u turn urshi if no scarf

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2420319016-9darg2lfkhd5kqol597kf6sy7hwnvyipw

COMEBACK

[nocturne holly]

What’s the site that lets u see the top teams

Most common

[bold geode]

Incineroar shuts down Zacian by itself

[crimson vector]

I wanted to avoid spore moves but out of the 70~ matches i played with urshifu it only really helped 3 times or smt

[spiral ridge]

Do jet if no scarf

[crimson vector]

I didnt think of that

[spiral ridge]

You have detect for safe play

Scarf goes turn to just leave before attack due to no protect

[crimson vector]

What scarf should i use if im going with a scarf

[bold geode]

Choice Scarf

[spiral ridge]

Choice

[crimson vector]

Thx a lot

Also maybe tera steel on ushifu with tera blast

And not a scarf

But rather clear amulet

[crimson vector]

*so i can counter tera fairy

[solid frigate]

you don't need tera steel

just Tera Water and go ham

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

Fairy is neutral to your damage
You’ll still hurt

Just a big SS

[solid frigate]

Tera Water Surging Strikes just nukes sash CSR

or if you really want to go for a defensive tera you can run tera poison for against Zama-

but scarf mostly needs water tera

[nocturne holly]

What restricted partner does mirai like

[molten oasis]

CIR or Lunala

[nocturne holly]

Also is zac any good now or is it still mid

[molten oasis]

Its okay

Zacogre is good but tahts really it

[solid frigate]

better than reg G at least

[nocturne holly]

prolly cuz zac+ogre right

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[nocturne holly]

y r so many running iron head instead of b blade

For flinch?

[stone trellis]

Iron Head becomes Behemoth Blade when Zacian holds the Rusted Sword.

[nocturne holly]

wait actually

[stone trellis]

Same with Zamazenta and Behemoth Bash.

[nocturne holly]

deadass never knew that

And I played a ton of zac last reg

[solid frigate]

unless you play regular Zac instead of crowned form

(Shoutout to that person in milwaukee using Zacian with Pagos i belive)

[nocturne holly]

How do zac and ogre play against mirai

[stone trellis]

If you use Showdown, you'd never be able to know.

[short quiver]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO dies of pain i could be shiny hunting Latias in the crown tundra rn

[stone trellis]

+1 116 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 236-278 (134 - 157.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
236+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon in Rain: 93-110 (52.8 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This should answer your question pretty well.

Also, GODDAMN KYOGRE 2HKOs WITH A RESISTED SPREAD SPECIAL ATTACK? IS THIS THING ON CRACK?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

it is infact,on crack

[stone trellis]

I may be a Kyogre slanderer, but I have to admit that the whale has some sauce.

[nocturne holly]

is sneasler good or is its 5min of fame over

[solid frigate]

i love you say that when the second best CIR pair is with Kyogre

[solid frigate]

nop

[stone trellis]

I know, dude.

[solid frigate]

Sneasler is dead in reg I

[nocturne holly]

I hopped on the sneasler train back in reg G

Or the one b4 that idk

With indeedee I prefired it

[foggy lodge]

Its not btw

[short quiver]

me when i lie?

[foggy lodge]

It has got some usage in this meta with Miraidon

As a coaching mon for CIR/Zama

[stone trellis]

I can't believe that Worlds is only 3 days away.

[strange fjord]

sneasler? more like cheeseler. i get slept every time

[foggy lodge]

Lol

Dire claw is a horrible move

[short quiver]

horrible to fight, amazing to use

[stone trellis]

The electricity-powered bicycle from the future:

[foggy lodge]

Atleast Miraidon now is used only on Miraidon and then sleep is not as good because you can't directly get it

And poison is the least annoying one

So the only like important one is paralyze

[short quiver]

you cant para an electric type bud

[solid frigate]

i'm also adding non official

[foggy lodge]

• easier to remove in this format

[foggy lodge]

When did I say you could

[stone trellis]

It's way too frail and it doesn't do ridiculous amounts of damage to justify it.

[solid frigate]

this is all non official sneaslers

[strange fjord]

when miraidon isnt the only pokemon on the field

[foggy lodge]

As crazy as it sounds Sneasler is not a nuke mon in this format...

If only it got utility moves for its team like fake out and coaching...

[short quiver]

[nocturne holly]

I want geomancy xerneas back

[stone trellis]

If only a far better Pokemon got those + Wide Guard and almost everything else...

[solid frigate]

STOP.

[foggy lodge]

Which mon gets that lmao

[short quiver]

yeah no that would be absolutely STUPID with the tera phenomenon

[solid frigate]

GET HIS ASS BACK TO THE BASEMENT

[strange fjord]

i want munchlax to get yawn. then ill be balling

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't get it???

[strange fjord]

nope

[solid frigate]

you're still on that munchlax hype?

[short quiver]

i want meloetta to get boomburst but nope

[stone trellis]

Perfect for Tera Raids. Then I wouldn't have to use Flutter Mane as a Fairy type.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Dark Void, 2016.

[short quiver]

tera fairy fairy aura would be nightmare

[short quiver]

ah the humble smeargle

[nocturne holly]

Why’d they give it so much atk if it’s sig move is sp atk based

[foggy lodge]

Because its a niche mon used on very specific comps😭😭😭😭

It almost won utrecht like what

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, legendaries pre-gen 8 are mostly mixed attackers in terms of stats? Golly gee!

[strange fjord]

munchlax hype never died. im not coping, trust

[solid frigate]

i love how when i actually want to play meta everyone throwing anti meta shit on me

[short quiver]

you dont HAVE to use geomancy if you dont want to. its just so good why wouldnt you use it

[stone trellis]

I've heard that some people used Megahorn.

[short quiver]

makes sense

[stone trellis]

Hits Bronzong for neutral?

[nocturne holly]

Sybau ✌️😂💔😍🥱🥲🤣

[stone trellis]

May you lose the next twenty games in a row without even being able to KO one of your opponent's Pokemon.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 717: Yveltal

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Dark Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2

[nocturne holly]

They have the same stats

Did yveltal get dark type geomancy

[short quiver]

almost like there twins...... strange.....

[foggy lodge]

Nah you have to

That's why Xerneas wasn't used in gen 8

[short quiver]

it got a draining flying type move

[foggy lodge]

Because it couldn't get geomancy off

[nocturne holly]

god forbid I don’t know the lore bro

[foggy lodge]

I remember that Incin was used like 236 HP 236+ SpD because it tanked +2 max sp atk xerneas moonblast

[next stump]

LOL

[nocturne holly]

Dillon r u going to worlds this year

[stone trellis]

This only counts Pokemon that were released pre-Gen 8, not including any additional forms they received after Gen 8.
Mewtwo: 110/154, mixed
Ho-oh: 130/110, mixed
Lugia: 90/90, not an attacker
(Primal) Groudon: 180/150, mixed
(Primal) Kyogre: 150/180, mixed
Rayquaza (both regular and mega): 150/150 and 180/180, mixed
Dialga: 120/150, mixed
Palkia: 120/150
Giratina (Origin Forme): 120/120, mixed
Reshiram: 150/120, mixed
Zekrom: 120/150, mixed
Kyurem: 130/130, mixed
Xerneas: 131/131, mixed
Yveltal: 131/131, mixed
Zygarde (Complete Forme): 100/91, basically mixed
Solgaleo: 137/113, mixed
Lunala: 113/137, mixed
Necrozma: 107/127, mixed

[next stump]

yes 🙂

[stone trellis]

Good luck.

[short quiver]

chat what if i tries using meloetta in reg j

[stone trellis]

Yet again, good luck.

[short quiver]

aye i will take the sacrifice of loss for playing what i love

🤷‍♂️

[foggy lodge]

Lmao what is this from

[nocturne holly]

Nice man good luck

What r u guys planning to use for reg J

[stone trellis]

CIR-Magearna.

Not the cringe Annihilape variant though.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 801: Magearna

Types

Steel/Fairy

Abilities

Soul-Heart

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/95/115/130/115/65

Total

600

Other Formes

Magearna-Original

Sableye version 4.28.2

[nocturne holly]

What does magearna do

[tiny karma]

Magearna's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Explosion, Facade, False Swipe, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Last Resort, Play Rough, Return, Rollout, Self-Destruct, Steel Roller, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Aurora Beam, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Energy Ball, Flash Cannon, Fleur Cannon, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mirror Shot, Misty Explosion, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Sonic Boom, Steel Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Synchronoise, Tera Blast, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Trump Card, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

After You, Agility, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Crafty Shield, Defense Curl, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Gear Up, Gravity, Guard Swap, Heal Bell, Heart Swap, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Lock-On, Lucky Chant, Magnet Rise, Magnetic Flux, Metal Sound, Mind Reader, Misty Terrain, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Shift Gear, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Spikes, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Trick, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Magearna.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

The ability Soul-Heart is like As One.

But it works for EVERY Pokemon that faints, regardless of whether or not it was Magearna that did the job.

[tiny karma]

Ability: Soul-Heart

This Pokemon's Special Attack is raised by 1 stage when another Pokemon faints.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[nocturne holly]

Wait that’s kinda cool

tr?

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[nocturne holly]

And it’s pretty tanky

[stone trellis]

And paired with either the Life Orb to cause the funny calc (+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Magearna Fleur Cannon vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 177-211 (98.3 - 117.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO) or Leftovers for the recovery, it can be pretty damn strong.

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1955351079144788280?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

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X · Aug 12, 2025, 7:30 PM

[stone trellis]

Me and Shrekers developed a set that uses Flash Cannon, Fleur Cannon and Thunderbolt with Leftovers.

[stone trellis]

Paired with Grassy Terrain from Rillaboom, that thing recovers health REALLY quickly.

[nocturne holly]

What is fleur cannon

[tiny karma]

Move: Fleur Cannon

Lowers the user's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Fairy-type Draco Meteor.

[nocturne holly]

If only it got geomancy 💔

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. +2 252 HP / 68 SpD Magearna in Electric Terrain: 105-124 (56.1 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

One turn of Follow Me and it's over, bro.

Hell, imagine Smeargle + Magearna.

[short quiver]

dies that mean if your calyrex kills its own ally it can still trigger as one?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[short quiver]

interesting......

[stone trellis]

I did that in a Tera Raid to obliterate a Tera Dragon Reuniclus.

(Offline obviously)

So if someone tries to double Protect, your partner is low on health and you need to switch in something else without risking any damage on it, you know exactly what to do.

[short quiver]

thats actually an interesting strat i might have to try sometime

[stone trellis]

You know, I'm kind of sad there isn't a World Champion theme in S/V.

Have you ever watched the finals of Worlds in 2014-2016?

That song that plays there isn't playable in the games normally.

[short quiver]

i had strict parents i wasnt able to do much of anything around that time

[stone trellis]

The only way you'd get to hear it in the game itself is if you either hacked it in or made it to the finals of the World Championship.

And it slaps.

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but haven't you watched the finals of any past World Championship nowadays?

[stone trellis]

https://youtu.be/tO2-tVuCRlQ?si=Vj8xuWez9SXZSFwq

[molten oasis]

thats so hype

[stone trellis]

I just realised that a fellow countryman is a VGC commentator.

Was he the guy that couldn't pronounce "Michael Kelsch" no matter how many times he tried?

[dull ibex]

maybe bulk on shifu is bad

[round abyss]

when is reg j starting

[knotty mirage]

Next month

[bold geode]

Kosta is such a good caster

His energy is almost unmatched

[bold geode]

End of the month

[stone trellis]

Greek excellence.

[bold geode]

Wait I just realized
@next stump that's showing SIDE MATCHES

[next stump]

yeee its hype

finally

[bold geode]

That's actually great

We're giving Leonard Craft a break this year

[chilly anvil]

What build is good for Arceus in the next regulation?

[round abyss]

e speed

[stone trellis]

Swords Dance E-Speed with Clear Amulet.

[chilly anvil]

If I want something other than E killer, which plate is good?

[stone trellis]

None

[round abyss]

its weird cuz it can be any type

so its rally versatile

but its also one of the restricted so you want to build the team around it

[dull ibex]

chat let me cook

farigiraf over amoongus on my team

[chilly anvil]

I heard Fairy Plate is kinda good but idk

I don’t like E killer

[stone trellis]

Why?

[chilly anvil]

I just love the Judgment versatility

[stone trellis]

Alrighty then.

Judgement sets could use Calm Mind + Leftovers.

[round abyss]

does it even hit that hard tho

120 kinda low in this economy

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 493: Arceus

Type

Normal

Abilities

Multitype

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/120/120/120/120/120

Total

720

Other Formes

Arceus-Bug, Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Dragon, Arceus-Electric, Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Fighting, Arceus-Fire, Arceus-Flying, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Grass, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Ice, Arceus-Poison, Arceus-Psychic, Arceus-Rock, Arceus-Steel, Arceus-Water

Sableye version 4.28.2

Move: Judgment

This move's type depends on the user's held Plate.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[round abyss]

its tanky tho

[stone trellis]

Yep.

It can do quite a bit of damage after setting up anyway.

It's no Kyogre, but it still does quite a bit.

[round abyss]

id rather set up with smth else tho

but its aight since its tanky ash

and can be any type so versatile

i wonder what its gonna be used with and if a plate because meta with it

would it be a type that doesnt have many strong attackers as of now

[chilly anvil]

Maybe also bulk.
It’s pretty bulky

[round abyss]

it could be a support mon as well

[fluid fiber]

Reg H building still, trying a few weird things for now but will probably remove them later https://pokepast.es/070d30bb3763f7cc

[tiny karma]

Arceus's moveset: (Status)

Agility, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Electric Terrain, Endure, Flash, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Hail, Healing Wish, Hone Claws, Imprison, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Misty Terrain, Perish Song, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Quash, Rain Dance, Recover, Recycle, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Arceus.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[round abyss]

i dont know how ursaluna is on that

[fluid fiber]

Yeah I've been rotating the final slot

[round abyss]

no tr
and sneasler preferably wants a seed for its ability

[fluid fiber]

Ursa is just what I put on for now, its good in taulwind but like, that's it

[round abyss]

i dont know about sneasler or the ostrich either

[short quiver]

anyone want a charcadet i have a whole bunch that i bred

they all have best in 5/6 stats

[stone trellis]

I'll help you build a team with Arceus.

In DMs.

[round abyss]

https://pokepast.es/82d0ebf3b9df971c thoughts on the 6th?

[stone trellis]

Tornadus, maybe?

[dense latch]

i’d try roaring moon

i don’t see raging bolt being that great in this team

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, Roaring Moon.

[foggy lodge]

LET'S GOOOO

[dull ibex]

Ooo another swordfish player

Do you want to see my team?

[near crag]

Anyone down to run a couple sets with those koraidon, csr, weezing, chi-yu, dozo, giri teams?

[round abyss]

bet

[tiny karma]

Arceus's moveset: (Physical)

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Cut, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Extreme Speed, Facade, Flare Blitz, Fly, Foul Play, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Outrage, Payback, Phantom Force, Poison Jab, Punishment, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Shadow Force, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Trailblaze, Waterfall, Wild Charge, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Arceus.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/bf74e38d8c6e8e29

[bold geode]

Run Protect on Kyogre you idiot

[dull ibex]

oops

thats fixed ingame

https://pokepast.es/919f0092dd9f8a51 heres the version for arceus teams

[round abyss]

this looks fun

[short quiver]

if i played reg h on showdown how often would i encounter someone with throat chop?

[limpid valley]

Can I get some advice for my team? I totally understand I’m lacking restricted legendaries, this team is mainly for battling my friend. Important notes : both Flutter and Walking Wake get a speed boost from protosynthesis. Also, my Ursaluna feels like a huge liability

It’s got two leads : Sun, and Trick Room

[dull ibex]

run protect on kyogre

[molten oasis]

Roaring moon.

[short quiver]

i wanna make a team based mostly around sound based moves and id hate to run into someone with throat chop

[next stump]

sneasler runs throat chop semi often

[dull ibex]

Farigiraf @ Ability Shield
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Foul Play
• Protect
  my contribution to reg j tech

[fluid fiber]

Actually espartha is SO good into most of the meta. Speed boost let's it snowball super effectively and it OHKOs sneasler, tera fairy lets it OHKO through tera dark, and lumina crash lets whoever sits next to it (if a SpA attacker) finish it off, even if AV

[foggy lodge]

Ability shield farigiraf🥀

[fluid fiber]

Only issue it has is Incin, hence the eject pack

[dull ibex]

its going to be strong I think

[foggy lodge]

Into Weezing

With csr koraidon

[dull ibex]

yeah which will be almost necessary with arceus

this is for reg J again

[foggy lodge]

Who is the crazy person running Weezing Arceus wtf

[dull ibex]

anyone smart

otherwise I ruin your espeed stuff

I could also run indeedee with ability shield but rillaboom messes up my day

[lofty tartan]

Who cares? Reg J is crap

[bold geode]

NUH UH (yuh huh)

[fluid fiber]

Could use a bit of help here. I like Ribombee's utility (hitting super fast, hard, and making it impossible for Amoongus to spore) but i feel like it might be better to just use a prankster tailwinder or Talonflame. Also unsure about Ursaluna, considering no TR. Ideas are welcome

[bold geode]

Actually @lofty tartan have I told you about the bs Mew gimmick

[lofty tartan]

Ursaluna either runs slow or runs max speed modest.

Epathra is going to have a really bad day when someone clicks Tera Dark Throat Chop with Sneasler

[fluid fiber]

Tera fairy Dgleam OHKOs it

[lofty tartan]

No it doesn;t.

[fluid fiber]

Unless its running bulk it does no?

[lofty tartan]

252 SpA Life Orb Tera-Fairy Espathra Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Dark Sneasler: 133-159 (85.2 - 101.9%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

You like
You use Imprison and Transform on Mew right
And if you Imprison T1 and Transform into something T2 you just shut down whatever LMAO

[lofty tartan]

18.75 chance

[fluid fiber]

Damn ive been lucky

Aight

[lofty tartan]

Sneasler is also 344 speed when Unburden is active, IF they're Adamant.

[fluid fiber]

Oh wait I was using life otb before

[lofty tartan]

If they're Jolly, they blaze right past Espathra.

[lofty tartan]

That calc is Life Orb.

[fluid fiber]

Oh dang

[bold geode]

That bs Mew gimmick is the only thing that interests me about Reg J cuz it's so damn funny and evil

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dhmis-dont-hug-me-im-scared-duck-shrug-gif-22058806

[fluid fiber]

Well counterpoint would be that if I tera and it teras I get to attack first turn 2

Because it'd have +2 speed

[solid frigate]

Monke spreading propaganda

[lofty tartan]

After 1 Speed Boost, Espathra is still almost 100 full points of Speed slower than Sneasler.

[bold geode]

Where TF do you find these shows and gifs bro

[fluid fiber]

Protect turn one

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[bold geode]

Bro's just old

[fluid fiber]

Turn 2 tera fairy, turn 3 outspeed

[lofty tartan]

Yes, you protect, trigger Speed Boost, and Espathra has 258 speed - Sneasler has 344

[bold geode]

Espathra is dogshit

[lofty tartan]

Espathra doesn't have a lot of bulk and there's four pokemon on the field.

[fluid fiber]

Yeah it goes first turn 2, but turn 3 i go first

Unless it's max speed iirc

[molten oasis]

I think the show is dhmis

[lofty tartan]

Sneaslers are always max speed Adamant unless they're crazy like me and want to outspeed max Speed Timid Jumpluff in Sun.

[molten oasis]

It looks familiar

[lofty tartan]

If a Sneasler is Jolly they're crazy fast though. Max Speed Jolly is outspeeding basically everything out there.

[bold geode]

My thing is like

[lofty tartan]

If only Ice wasn't so bad defensively. I love Ice types.

Cetitan is my home skillet.

[bold geode]

The only thing that Espathra was ever good for was some Gravity Hypnosis gimmicks

[lofty tartan]

I got featured in a Youtube video because of my Global Challenge Cetitan team. I love that stupid whale.

[solid frigate]

At least they kinda redeemed with Gen 9

[lofty tartan]

Ice types are arguably better now than they ever have been, but even the boost doesn't do a lot 😐

[bold geode]

Yeah I got your Psyspam stuff featured, get fucked nerd

[solid frigate]

isn’t that a Narwhal

I forgot is it a whale species

[fluid fiber]

Not EVERYTHING

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-piccolo-dragonballs-gif-11321217

[lofty tartan]

Yeah like I'm a pretty FAIR teambuilder.

I'm not very great. Teambuilding is a skill you never really master.

[bold geode]

I'm actually pretty good at building teams like
Exclusively for myself

[lofty tartan]

Unburden doubles speed. So it's 378 without having to use a turn or click a button.

[solid frigate]

Anyways One dire claw

[bold geode]

Building for others is where I like
Fall apart

[lofty tartan]

Grassy Seed/Psychic Seed Unburden is much more immediately effective than Sash Unburden. I hate Sash Unburden.

[fluid fiber]

Shh I didnt say better

[lofty tartan]

Oh nice, I used my sash, I have one HP left, it would be a shame if someone clicked Fake Out right now.

Oh no, I died.

[solid frigate]

Oh btw Mika I just downloaded TCGP and I got this

[foggy lodge]

Unless you are japanese

[lofty tartan]

I don't really play TCGP. It's like only a portion of the actual TCG game in rules, and it's a horrifying money sink.

[foggy lodge]

Or wolfey

[lofty tartan]

I play the actual TCG.

[foggy lodge]

I think Wolfey is the goat in teambuilding for the japanese lol

[solid frigate]

Honestly TCG and GO are a nightmare in Competitive

[lofty tartan]

TCG isn't really that bad competitively. I was going to be competing in TCG, but I got hooked on VGC>

Go is a shitshow.

Your effectiveness is entirely pinned on your ability to get a mon that isn't trash.

[bold geode]

Sash Unburden isn't something you rely on proccing, it's something you run cuz you don't want another ability

[lofty tartan]

I like Sash Poison Touch a whole ton more than that.

[foggy lodge]

Eh its like okay

But I prefer poison touch

[lofty tartan]

Yeah man, okay at best.

[bold geode]

Yeah idk
I feel like I've been screwed so much by Poison Touch

[lofty tartan]

I just don't think it's worth running and I'm just not gonna ever be caught dead playing Sash Unburden Sneasler.

[foggy lodge]

Its easier to play around

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure.

Especially in OTS

[foggy lodge]

While poison touch is like impossible to really predict lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I think Poison Touch is low key great on the Sneas.

[foggy lodge]

Against those sets I tend to just break the sash activate my own unburden or get my speed control and then kill them

[lofty tartan]

Yeah see I'm gonna play Sneasler that outpaces all but max speed jolly Sneasler

[quartz reef]

Hey guys! I’m working on building a shiny team for bdsp battle tower. Any suggestions? I am a novice when it comes to competitive battle

[lofty tartan]

I had too many speed ties at Toronto

[foggy lodge]

Because in the end like breaking sash without proccing it is the same as proccing it

But they don't get the speed value

The other ability is fucking pressure

[lofty tartan]

Or you eweb the sash Sneasler and they die inside

[foggy lodge]

Fs

[lofty tartan]

Not enough damage to activate plus a speed drop

[solid frigate]

I think I found a use for Mewtwo in Comp-

[foggy lodge]

Max speed Electabuzz my beloved

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I run max speed Timid bulky Buzz

Eweb too good.

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

I forgot how broken Electabuzz Blursa was

[lofty tartan]

Buzz/Ursa was really strong for me at Toronto but people had it out for the Bear.

[foggy lodge]

I originally used Clefairy Blursa and it felt good cause it could beat MausApe but then people discovered Buzz Blursa lol

[lofty tartan]

Often times, my opponents didn't have an answer to Talon/BM

[bold geode]

My thing is like
The only time Poison Touch procs for me is when I don't want it to LMAO

[solid frigate]

Talonflame is Goated

[lofty tartan]

Talonflame and Corviknight are the Bravest Birds.

Gale Wings Dual Wingbeat is so good into Sneasler.

[solid frigate]

Not the biggest,but definitely bravest

[foggy lodge]

Btw I think Clefairy has a niche in this meta

[lofty tartan]

I can't give up my Buzz.

[foggy lodge]

I've seen a lot of spread moves rn

[solid frigate]

Tbf against Psychic Terrain based Sneasler Teams it’s fine ig

[round abyss]

what restricteds are gonna be good with arc

[foggy lodge]

And a rise in dragons

[bold geode]

Corviknight is so good

[solid frigate]

Kyogre

That’s it

Wait

[bold geode]

Or can be so good at least

[solid frigate]

Arceus? Or Archaludon

MAN WHY GF HAVE TO DO SEPERATE FORMATS

[bold geode]

Corviknight is bulky AF defensively and walls Sneasler Dnite just saying

[foggy lodge]

And bloodmoon

And ursaluna

[bold geode]

Both Ursas

[foggy lodge]

Dw I'm gonna gamble the blizzard freeze into it

[solid frigate]

I might just play Talonflame in September

[bold geode]

This guy

[molten oasis]

A9 supremacy

[foggy lodge]

I remember Nils vs Torviv finals

Torviv's only out was really blizzard freeze lmfao

The MU was way too horrible

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you just have to play around Psychic Terrain. It was fine - I met plenty of PSeed Sneasler.

[bold geode]

Playing Reg H again I must say
I miss Ogerpon LMAO

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon is just so fucking good

[foggy lodge]

You don't even use Ogerpon now don't pmo

[bold geode]

What's that rock mask shaped thing on my current Reg I team hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[foggy lodge]

You used that?

[molten oasis]

I love ogerpon

[bold geode]

I've used Ogerpon all of Reg I bro

[solid frigate]

Have you not seen his team lmao

[foggy lodge]

I remember Inci Rilla Shifu CSR Zam Raging

[molten oasis]

Idt monke was ever on that

[bold geode]

There is no Rilla LMAO

Bro doesn't know my team

[foggy lodge]

You are named fucking monke

Fucking fraud

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Monke is a blasphemer.

[bold geode]

Rilla didn't make it on that team sadly

[solid frigate]

He’s associate with Infernape more lmao

[bold geode]

That's one of the teams that I actually never considered Rillaboom for which is very rare

I love Rillaboom, he's so goated

But I love one guy a bit more rn

[solid frigate]

I might miss playing Urshifu after going back to Reg H

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-pokemon-heart-my-heart-belongs-to-you-cat-gif-1493005905020426134

[lofty tartan]

You won't.

[bold geode]

Incineroar my beloved

[foggy lodge]

Idc about shifu tbh

[bold geode]

I love Urshifu

I love when my mons can give fat middle fingers in one way or another

[solid frigate]

It’s funny cuz that I actually love playing Urshifu

But eh I’m fine with Sneasler just gonna pray for sleep

[lofty tartan]

I'm fine with Ursh. I never DC fishing for sleeps though. I DC when it's the better move to click.

[bold geode]

Wanna Protect? Too bad, Surging Strikes
Wanna stay alive behind Light Screen? Too bad, Helping Hand Astral Barrage, goodbye

[lofty tartan]

Got a fairy on the board? DC that guy.

[solid frigate]

Basically just Grass or fairy

[lofty tartan]

Or if I'm sure CC isn't going to KO and I don't want to be KO'd immediately by a stiff breeze.

I won't DC into Steel guys but most things are fair game if they're not outright weak to Throat Chop or CC

Poison/Fight/Dark is some coverage though

And yeah people will Tera Fairy their guy to try and get around Sneasler and they're just weak to DC at that point.

I don't think it's a good Tera. Sneasler struggles with Fighting guys.

[bold geode]

Idk I DC into Archaludon all the time LMAO

Sometimes if they're not Def boosted I'll do that cuz like
Usually people will tera so they don't eat shit to CC

[lofty tartan]

But that's different. That's calling a Tera, which I do too.

[round abyss]

arceus

[lofty tartan]

But openly you're not gonna DC into Arch unless you're banking on the Tera.

[solid frigate]

Gonna be honest

Really depends on which form-

[lofty tartan]

I saw someone trying to build TR Arceus.

[round abyss]

e speed sd

i forgot to specify

arc+weez is gonna be fun

unless ability shield

[lofty tartan]

[round abyss]

are amoonguss and weezing on the sasme team fine

[lofty tartan]

Regenerator gets turned off by Gas.

[round abyss]

yea

double poison

[lofty tartan]

One of the big strong things about Amoonguss is regenerator, because it extends his longevity.

[solid frigate]

He did WHAT.

[lofty tartan]

These kids, man, I'm telling you.

[round abyss]

is there any other way to turn off armor tail or psychic terrain without weezing

psychic terrain can be done with opposing terrain

[lofty tartan]

Not get so completely gimped by it.

[round abyss]

wbt armor tail and dazzling

[lofty tartan]

Incin just makes Espeed Arceus really sad if he's not packing Clear Amulet.

Intimidate, Parting Shot, come back in for another Intimidate.

[solid frigate]

Ya know the worst thing is not because they made the Mon

Is how they can get away with it EVERY SINGLE TIME

[round abyss]

just slap ca on it then

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[solid frigate]

Sorry I’m just pissed over the fact people making TR Arceus

[lofty tartan]

Don't be. It's bad.

[dense latch]

i’ve seen room service miraidon

[round abyss]

new meta tech

[lofty tartan]

Everyone thinks they've always stumbled on some secret sauce when it doesn't get run simply because it's poor

"I'm telling you man, Scovillian is a sleeper in Reg J"

[solid frigate]

I expect that doesn’t have Playtesting-

It’s so 紙上談兵 (sorry I have to speak Chinese idiom because of that)

[lofty tartan]

"People don't run it because they just don't know how great it is"

[dense latch]

1000 elo activity

right next to those ppl bringing reg h and g wolfey teams to reg i

[nocturne holly]

we all start at 1000 🥲

[lofty tartan]

Hah. I did a funny.

[solid frigate]

Ah yes the players that play the Pokémon team cuz it’s Wolfe and not Perish

[nocturne holly]

I did a funnier

[lofty tartan]

867-5309

[solid frigate]

Man if it’s spoken by Cantonese it’s even funnier

[lofty tartan]

I don't speak Chinese or Cantonese so the haha will be lost on me, in particular.

I speak English and a good deal of German, and studied Latin for school.

The rest of the languages escape me.

[solid frigate]

It’s just 6 and 7 if you speak it out of tone it’s a Slur in Canontese

That’s it

That’s the whole meaning

[nocturne holly]

67

is a slur? HUGE news for the unemployed 🔥

[solid frigate]

For Cantonese if you speak the wrong tone

[nocturne holly]

that’s aura

[solid frigate]

Otherwise 67 is normal word

[nocturne holly]

What does the slur mean

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sound-oriented-soundoriented-the-herta-herta-dog-acceptance-gif-8004738416516503931

[nocturne holly]

pov: my hb starts barking for my spreads

that’s a vgc joke

Was it good

[chrome knot]

this gotta be the fastest block of all time

[nocturne holly]

That’s funny because I can apply my joke to that

[nocturne holly]

pov: my hb starts barking for my spreads

[chrome knot]

@lofty tartan mikamika ive found some cute clothes today

on my epic selfcare arc

[lofty tartan]

Isn't it a homophone for a slang term of a penis?

[chrome knot]

where i actually try to look supr cute

[lofty tartan]

That's awesome. I have to buy cute clothes for the kid for school

[chrome knot]

oahh

[molten oasis]

Oh yeah school

[lofty tartan]

Yeah school is starting up again soon

[next stump]

we just started this week here 😦 back to work for me

RIP

[lofty tartan]

My daughter doesn't go back til like September 8th or something

She's going into the third grade

[next stump]

second year in a row where worlds is the first week of school

i meet the kids and then immediately say cya

[lofty tartan]

Man I was scouting some events to go to after Pittsburgh and two are right too close to holidays. One is right around Halloween which would require me to miss it, and the other is around Thanksgiving.

[gentle crag]

dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[lofty tartan]

So I'm looking at possibly going to Vegas.

400 bucks to fly out of Bangor, Maine.

But this time I'm trying to convince the wife and daughter to go with me. Can't miss Vegas.

[molten oasis]

I’m going back into college, so I’m restarting and readjusting to that lifestyle

[next stump]

This is why I wish they utilized summer more 🙁 There's 4th of July but that's the only real Holiday, plus kids are all off and can travel with their families more

[lofty tartan]

That, and a lot of the places they have on the docket for Winter are cold as balls

[next stump]

Like take a 1.5 month break during November/December and shift that portion of the season into June/July

[lofty tartan]

Toronto in January. Man, that's like the same exact weather as Maine.

It's cold here - it's sure as hell cold there.

[next stump]

Yep LOL it was brutal in December last year

[lofty tartan]

Dude Toronto last year was horrible in terms of weather.

It was so cold, and Toronto is easy to get lost in.

[next stump]

We walked like 5 minutes to get dinner Friday night and we all hated ourselves

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you're not from the same climate as me. We walked for hours, but it still sucked.

I had a giant wool peacoat on and that still didn't do a ton.

It was belligerently cold.

But yeah most of the winter circuit looks like ass, when talking about temperature.

Summer really needs more events so people aren't braving the cold constantly to try and play some mons.

Or schedule for areas that aren't assaulted by winter so completely.

[chrome knot]

kinda fire introductory

like BRB im going to play in the pokemon vgc world championships

[lofty tartan]

I was thinking of going to Gdansk, Poland for Regionals. Never been; could be awesome.

[solid frigate]

yeah,i do not recommend anyone speaking it,but just giving this an info if someone speaks it

[lofty tartan]

I've got a passport for the next so many years so I may as well flex it

Gonna try to go to NAIC next year too

[next stump]

It would be super cool if people didn't think it was a trading card selling convention

that's usually peoples' assumptions

[chrome knot]

ohhh

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I don't doubt that.

[chrome knot]

wait literally why😭

[lofty tartan]

Bro culture.

[chrome knot]

how is that your first guess

[next stump]

they hear pokemon and immediately think it's something related to collecting TCG, not even playing hahaha

[lofty tartan]

Everyone thinks Pokemon is just buying and selling cards because that's what the popular idea is of the hobby.

It's been hoisted onto a pedastal by bros and whatsapp

[next stump]

I did have a dad at back to school night though that said "Are you playing VGC or TCG"

ball knower

[chrome knot]

loud incorrect buzzer like immediately as soon as the words leave their mouth

[solid frigate]

he's cultured

[next stump]

I have basically a copy paste explanation I give my 40+ year women teacher coworkers

[lofty tartan]

Like Pokemon TCG has become so bad monetarily that the lottery addicts from my previous store bought them as frequently as lotto tickets.

"Got any Pokemon cards?"

"No. Sold out."

"Gimme like 3 number 5s and four 15s"

[solid frigate]

this is so accurate

[next stump]

"Have you ever heard of the Pokemon video game, like on the Gameboy? I play the most modern version and you can sit down across from someone else and battle them. If you do well enough at tournaments throughout the year, you can qualify for the World Championship at the end of the year"

[lofty tartan]

I told my boss exactly what I'm doing for my requested time off in September. He was like "oh man that's friggen cool. You're all set. Good luck!"

He used to play a lot of PoGo

[solid frigate]

i actually remembered my mom told me that i influenced her friend's Children (I think they are twins) to VGC

But idk if i actually did tho,good shit still

[lofty tartan]

What influenced me is that I've shiny hunted for years and never had a really good means of flexing them.

So now I play VGC

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/archaludon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-black-2-and-white-2-indigo-disk-gif-7337190036671130983

this mf influenced me to play VGC lmao

also maybe i just watch too much stream about VGC

[lofty tartan]

I didn't watch streams about it until I started getting into it.

[molten oasis]

Wolfe influenced me to play vgc

[lofty tartan]

Not me

[solid frigate]

actually rare case of not wolfe influenced me

[lofty tartan]

I don't really like Wolfe's content

[solid frigate]

the title defense on orlando in reg F is only video i would watch a lot

Otherwise i just watch Skraw or Cybertron

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I consume much less youtube VGC content now and consume more in hard data and results.

A lot of video content matches are cherry picked anyway

[solid frigate]

i just look at labmaus or munchstats's Data like a lot

[lofty tartan]

I consume a large quantity of labmaus

It's very effective for finding what you want.

[molten oasis]

I do like wolfe’s videos but it’s not stuff I actively watch

[lofty tartan]

At this point I need to see less with the team actively functioning and I need to see more about results and data.

[molten oasis]

It’s more a “put it on the background” kinda thing

[solid frigate]

also just

Sauce for whats up in the meta

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I have a go-to for background Youtube and his name is Kenji Egashira.

[nocturne holly]

Wolfes good bro

[lofty tartan]

The smooth, sultry tones of Kenji Egashira.

[nocturne holly]

I like his commentary

cybertron is the best tho

[solid frigate]

or any music for me

[lofty tartan]

Meh. I can take or leave his commentary, I know he's good, I don't like his youtube content.

It's a lot of "this is how I won something" or "look at what I did" and that level of content doesn't interest me.

[nocturne holly]

fair

[solid frigate]

we need genuine data

[nocturne holly]

what do we think about Pokémon champions

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I don't need videos about teams released well after the team has lost steam or is no longer legal. I need less about "look at what I can do" and more about the game.

[solid frigate]

heck i would binge a video that talks about Meta History for SV lets be real

[lofty tartan]

Ultra hype.

[solid frigate]

skeptical but overall still positive

[nocturne holly]

Isn’t it gonna be mega p2w

[lofty tartan]

They already very flatly said there will be no monetization.

[nocturne holly]

That’s what I’ve heard
I was initially excited about it until I heard that

[solid frigate]

its not pay to win

[lofty tartan]

What you've heard is doomsaying from people who don't know any better.

All mons in Champions are sourced from HOME

[nocturne holly]

Is it gonna be like showdown but an actual game

Oh
So you need a game initially?

[lofty tartan]

Yes.

[solid frigate]

ah yes

Classic doomposting

[lofty tartan]

If you're already playing competitively, which Champions is absolutely geared toward competitive play, you own games.

[nocturne holly]

Wbt the incomes

[solid frigate]

i'm fine with it as long as its also playable in mobile

[lofty tartan]

What incomes?

[nocturne holly]

New comers

[lofty tartan]

They do the same as we do and buy games.

TCPI isn't looking to replace their main franchise money maker with a f2p alternative.

[solid frigate]

they will add new mons eventually

[lofty tartan]

They still need to incentivize sales of their product.

[fluid fiber]

Yeah there was a temp price listed as either 20 or 40 for Champions but I cant remember which

[lofty tartan]

HOME is mobile, so it's honestly a fair bet.

[solid frigate]

time to face the wrath of Tera Fire Xerneas /j

[lofty tartan]

Yeah if I have to pay for Champions I'm not about to lose sleep over it.

[fluid fiber]

Imagine Unite cosmetics tho

[lofty tartan]

It's not going to be a Triple-A price.

[lofty tartan]

No thanks. Don't need cosmetics in VGC

[gentle crag]

dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to keonespirit

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[cyan smelt]

is it going to be a good game

[lofty tartan]

No, Rotom, I said NO THANKS

[nocturne holly]

So the only difference is that it’s gonna basically gonna be every Mon and gimmick

[lofty tartan]

What. This doesn't make sense.

Mon and gimmick?

[nocturne holly]

every

[solid frigate]

every mon and every gimmick

[fluid fiber]

I suspect each format will have a different gimmick legal

[lofty tartan]

No one has said anything even remotely toward this being a thing.

All we've SEEN are Tera and Mega.

[solid frigate]

i'm fine with cooking Mega Mence+Hearthflame Pon

[nocturne holly]

I assume the end goal is to have every Mon playable

[lofty tartan]

Doubtful. It would likely coincide with the current format.

[fluid fiber]

One thing towards this is the stadium looking like SWSH stadiums (sized for Dynamax) but who knows

[lofty tartan]

If it's "every mon every gimmick" you can bet it's not gonna be for competitive, because Dexit exists and they don't really overlap mechanics much anymore, since Dexit started.

[nocturne holly]

what’s dexit

[solid frigate]

also i ain't dealing with making a team that 3/6 mons is tied to a gimmick-

[lofty tartan]

Dexit is in reference to TCPI removing pokemon from Generations and not every mon being available any more.

"Dexit" refers to the controversial decision in Pokémon Sword and Shield to exclude some Pokémon from being transferable into the game, effectively removing them from the game's ecosystem. This sparked fan backlash, as it meant many players couldn't use their favorite Pokémon in the new generation. The term is a portmanteau of "Pokédex" and "Brexit," referencing the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.

[fluid fiber]

My guess is that champions launches with megas + teras + all ZA and SV mons

Then adds Z moves and dynamaxing later for specific regulations

[nocturne holly]

Brexit tackleeeee

[lofty tartan]

It's very unlikely we're gonna have Z-Moves+Tera+Mega+Dyanamax. They've worked to diminish the absolute insanity of competitive over the years.

[nocturne holly]

dammmm I’m gonna have to buy ZA

[lofty tartan]

Watch 2019 VGC coverage. It's absolutely bonkers and incredibly hard to follow.

[fluid fiber]

Again

I bet we will, but in different regulations

[nocturne holly]

that was mega+z move right

[lofty tartan]

Megas, Primals, and Z-moves.

And a LOT of yelling.

[solid frigate]

yeah that format is just confusing that they have to split into 3 series-

[nocturne holly]

type shi

[fluid fiber]

So reg A with tera + mega, reg B with Dynamax, reg C mega and dynamax, etc

[lofty tartan]

Dexit happened in the Generation immediately following that Metagame.

[nocturne holly]

What was the reason for it

[lofty tartan]

Garbage. And this reduces accessibility because it increases the amount of games you need to own.

[fluid fiber]

There being almost 1000 mons making it too hard

[solid frigate]

i hate it

[fluid fiber]

This doesn't as they stated you can get mons inside of champions

[lofty tartan]

You can't create Gigantamax pokemon in Home, and Gigantamax pokemon cannot be traded through games.

I have to remove Gigantamax from a Shiny Eevee to give it to my daughter.

[fluid fiber]

Also specifically said dynamax

Gigantimax is separate

[lofty tartan]

They're not going to include only Dyanamax and no Gigantamax. lol

[fluid fiber]

I mean, SWSH did for half the regs

[lofty tartan]

Gigantamax made several mons viable.

[fluid fiber]

Okay? So did Z moves lol

[nocturne holly]

Dynamax is too hated

[lofty tartan]

Dynamax is yeah, also universally despised.

[fluid fiber]

There's no way they made a GIANT stadium for Champions, while bringing back megas, with no thought to bring dynamaxing back imo

[wooden steeple]

I mean it just is the L mechanic

[lofty tartan]

They made a point to reveal Mega and Tera really early on in Champions information. I doubt we're going to see a return of Dynamax, and at that, combining gimmicks for Regulations to create way more confusion.

[nocturne holly]

What’s bad about it

[lofty tartan]

Basing all of this on the visual stadium size is like the core definition of jumping the gun.

[fluid fiber]

Highly disagree but each to their own

[wooden steeple]

its just making a single mon be really big and do bigger numbers, nothing actually interesting behind it

[fluid fiber]

Im just saying that its totally possible

Its not impossible

[lofty tartan]

And I'm saying it's incredibly unlikely.

But this is why I don't speculate baselessly on things we have very little information about.

I am not a game developer and I do not work for TCPI.

[solid frigate]

i'd would just wait for any new information rather than jumping any guns

[lofty tartan]

💯

[solid frigate]

but yeah

Get ready to face Tera Fire Xerneas lol

[lofty tartan]

Urshifu

[solid frigate]

mmmmm fair

[lofty tartan]

I actually just wanted to check this and

252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fire Xerneas on a critical hit: 396-468 (100.7 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I mean no bulk but still

[solid frigate]

i actually on a server to cooked Reg F teams with Megas

And i just came up with Hoenn Pseudo Megas+Hearthflame

[lofty tartan]

Oh and that's level 100 because I had to get a different calc for Xern because he's not in Gen 9

252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fire Xerneas on a critical hit: 204-252 (101.4 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

assuming Urshifu is in Primal Kyogre team and primal Groudon lost the weather war(Highly unlikely)

Ig its still fine against it

[nocturne holly]

Why’s it lowk bulky

[lofty tartan]

It's not even lowkey.

[nocturne holly]

They should’ve given yveltal dark type geomancy

[lofty tartan]

It's 126hp, 95def, 98sDef

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2

[lofty tartan]

Lowkey is something that isn't as readily visible.

But Xerneas is obviously bulky.

[nocturne holly]

u right 🙏

[lofty tartan]

It's a good mon but suffers attack split anyway.

[nocturne holly]

also what restricteds and moms do we think arceus is gonna be good with
E speed sd

[lofty tartan]

If it were more focused that thing would be a nightmare.

[nocturne holly]

Exactly

[lofty tartan]

I don't speculate on J because it's a nothing-burger online-only format.

[solid frigate]

yeah i'm not gonna think about it-

[nocturne holly]

aight but e speed goes crazy

[lofty tartan]

Regulation J is a sign that Scarlet/Violet is done.

[lofty tartan]

Farig, Indeedee, Incineroar if no Clam

[nocturne holly]

weezing

[lofty tartan]

So they play around and KO the Weezing.

[nocturne holly]

I play around and ko fari and indee

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna miss SV somewhat

[lofty tartan]

Oh God this whole argument in a vaccuum is just worthless.

So I play around and prevent you from easily KO'ing Indeedee/Farig. Next.

[molten oasis]

What is happening?

[solid frigate]

sour cigar moment

[nocturne holly]

I don’t what to say to that

looks like u won

[molten oasis]

Okay?

[lofty tartan]

Just arguing in a vaccuum is nonsense. I do this, well I do this, no I do this - it's verbal chess.

[molten oasis]

Oh, this, ic

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[lofty tartan]

Nah. No popcorn necessary. It's not even remotely heated.

[solid frigate]

anyways

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/82d0ebf3b9df971c does bolt look good on this or nah

[solid frigate]

should i go eat Supper rn

[lofty tartan]

I am. Seems legit.

[nocturne holly]

It’s crazy how some people can get heated from this

is supper dinner

[lofty tartan]

Yes

For Americans at least. But I think some cultures call supper a small meal in between lunch and dinner to tide them over, or supplement their appetite/coming dinner

Could be wrong though

Americans have really bad eating habits though

[nocturne holly]

FR

[solid frigate]

I thought is meal after dinner

But aight

[nocturne holly]

my eating habits are terrible rn

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that could be where I'm wrong - probably a small meal after dinner to supplement that meal