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#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
It goes crazy
I love dnite when it hits 5 scale shots i hate dnite when it misses scale shot
bold geode
Oooooh lookie who's back
chrome knot
Oooooh lookie who's back
starts blastin
chrome knot
pitts if kathy drive
foggy lodge
I can't wait for worlds and see reg I perish and be thrown into the abyss
bold geode
The hate is so strong lmao
foggy lodge
Yes
I was looking at the cart ladder teams
Dude it's so boring lmao
The italian Lunala Miraidon everywhere
I hope someone does well with the cm lunala + scarf miraidon stuff at worlds atleast
bold geode
Baby hasn't gotten new team neuron activation, so baby cry
foggy lodge
Yes
solid frigate
Lizard.
next stump
reg h is so aesthetically pleasing
like that just looks like a pokemon team
compared to some reg I/J stuff
chrome knot
reg h is so aesthetically pleasing
its so much more friendly looking
chrome knot
if kathy drives yeah
otherwise too expensive
called an rilla swap to arch and cc’d it and it died
its a good day to be an emma fan
stone trellis
we're so back
Too bad you can't use it on ladder.
chrome knot
thats fine i play showdown, its just to have
dense latch
reg h is so aesthetically pleasing
colors on most teams are peakk
like this is a lovely thing to look at
fluid fiber
What are some fun really cheeky team ideas to run on Bo1 ladders
dense latch
there’s a sort of balance between the mons you just don’t get in restricted formats
solid frigate
not played in a while
for official VGC events
Online cart ladder is reg J
lost sun
for official VGC events
Online cart ladder is reg J
reg j is next
solid frigate
reg j is next
and i hate it already
solid frigate
y
its basically just
Reg I+Arceus and Magerena
and SWSH done it worse by lifting the restricted legendary cap
fluid fiber
for official VGC events
Online cart ladder is reg J
Oh really? Which events? I thought we were pretty much done until worlds
solid frigate
Oh really? Which events? I thought we were pretty much done until worlds
Reg H for official Regionals and LAIC
the closest to reg H rerun regional is pittsburgh
and its part of the new season
next stump
Oh really? Which events? I thought we were pretty much done until worlds
worlds is in 1.5 weeks
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/e15e19d0b421bf32 thoughts on this?
fluid fiber
How long is Reg H going on for?
lost sun
https://pokepast.es/e15e19d0b421bf32 thoughts on this?
a lot of water
dull ibex
was considering tera stellar on bear
next stump
How long is Reg H going on for?
Live on showdown now through November
lost sun
was considering tera stellar on bear
is tera water on jugulis worth it
next stump
it will never be playable on the in game ladder, only for in person tournaments
dull ibex
is tera water on jugulis worth it
its for the kor weezing mathcu p
molten oasis
Although people are trying to set up link battles for cart reg h
Which is really cool I might try it out
lost sun
its for the kor weezing mathcu p
can't u just use amoongus zacian
lofty tartan
@next stump my roommate decided to go after I found a spot that'll cost us 250 each, has two beds, and is literally down the street from the convention center.
next stump
hell yeah
solid frigate
don't worry,me too
solid frigate
thats pretty darn close
lofty tartan
Yeah cheapest non-crappy spot I could find
And I only had to pay insurance up front
solid frigate
Yeah cheapest non-crappy spot I could find
thats a steal in my book
solid frigate
good
lofty tartan
And may be taking Bax. This is my last chance to run him
solid frigate
And may be taking Bax. This is my last chance to run him
make it go crazy
next stump
if you want to run practice sets, feel free to DM
im probably running gholdengo redirection team
lofty tartan
I am really heavily leaning toward Volc/Bax/Buzz
👀
Coaching Sneasler with Dice Bax
solid frigate
Coaching Sneasler with Dice Bax
quirky moment
dull ibex
can't u just use amoongus zacian
Ig so
next stump
I am really heavily leaning toward Volc/Bax/Buzz
swords dance bax?
shadow wind
molten oasis
Are you playing dozo?
shadow wind
But if you close your eyes, it almost feels like nothing has changed at all
molten oasis
Lmao
shadow wind
Are you playing dozo?
Yeah, just trying out old teams from Reg H1
molten oasis
Fair
foggy lodge
I hope all your scale shots hit 4 times
shadow wind
Guess I might actually lock in
And not play stupid monotypes
Back to the lab I go 😔
buoyant marlin
Is having a Lunala with Atk IV a big problem for a beginner or i can still use it as i find someone to trade a 0 IV Atk Lunala
foggy lodge
Idt is that big of a deal
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
Idk man that foul play hurts
buoyant marlin
Is there lots of Foul Play in the meta now?
molten oasis
As a beginner it doesn’t really matter
But like for later optimization it’s wise to get a low attack iv Lunala
buoyant marlin
I'm a returning player so i need to relearn everything
molten oasis
Is there lots of Foul Play in the meta now?
Kinda, farigiraf and Grimmsnarl run foul play sometimes
buoyant marlin
Okok but in low rank i should get over it and later get a better one
shadow wind
Yeah
next stump
you’re maybe losing 1 in 50 games (probably rarer than that) due to a high attack IV on your lunala, not worth the time investment to get a better one if you’re new IMO
better to learn the game
dull ibex
I might be able to squeeze my way into masterball
I think for the first time ever in a double restricted format
shadow wind
I’ve technically never hit masterball in a double restricted format
buoyant marlin
Same thing for amonguss, i see most of the time its 26-27 Spe IV. Does it make a big difference for a new player to have it hyper trained and later get one with better spread
buoyant marlin
Thats what i tought
dull ibex
Did we get the obvious use rentals out of the way
next stump
yep amoonguss is a lot more important
and also much easier
you can get that speed IV within 30 minutes pretty easily
chrome knot
I am really heavily leaning toward Volc/Bax/Buzz
friend of mine day 2’d orlando with bax it definitely has legs
shadow wind
you can get that speed IV within 30 minutes pretty easily
I’m so happy I decided to get a 0 speed and Atk iv ditto
How viable is Kommo in Reg H
Like I feel it could have some sauce
buoyant marlin
Did we get the obvious use rentals out of the way
Yeah that i know haha
solid frigate
chrome knot
scale shots you scale shots you scale shots you scale shots you
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/e86fa3e5cc8cd802
Holy shit what is that
shadow wind
A team from Reg H1
I used it for a good while
I really liked it but I feel like I could fix it up
I feel like it could have sauce
chrome knot
too much sauce makes it taste weird
shadow wind
Which is why the Toxtricity will be the first one to go
The synergy is fire
But not needed
solid frigate
i love double dragon comps now that Flutter Mane is gone
shadow wind
So does the humble clanging scales
Man I might use Kommo again
Why does he have to have 14 spatk 😔
solid frigate
So does the humble clanging scales
i'm using it rn
Albeit double dragon comp with it
solid frigate
If you’re soundproof I guess
i mean thats good into Perish trap ig
if not for fucking kingdra
shadow wind
Yeah
What ability are you running?
I feel like overcoat doesn’t have much of a use case
solid frigate
What ability are you running?
so far overcoat
But honestly it works against Jumpluff sun at least
solid frigate
against whims encore is fine
shadow wind
Why?
solid frigate
encore is a sound move-
solid frigate
it is
it bypasses Subsitute lmao
shadow wind
I thought it just went through sub for some reason
Never really thought about it too hard I guess
solid frigate
i just remember that one interaction on a limitless tour series back in June
shadow wind
I see that interaction all the time I just thought it was something else
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
It’s not sound based broski
solid frigate
It’s not sound based broski
there is something weird about it i forgot
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
overcoat is technically better then
Also yes
shadow wind
Soundproof makes it immune to things like hyper voice from Sylv and opposing clanging scales
Maybe all of his abilities have a use case
I don’t know
I’ll figure out which one I want to use
solid frigate
Soundproof makes it immune to things like hyper voice from Sylv and opposing cla...
i mean technically tera type of Steel or Fire would work fine against it
solid frigate
i just like run overcoat for now rely on tera grass and tera diversity
Soundproof still works but it kinda just fall flat unless unique team synergy or niche cases
solid frigate
But I think Tox was just bad for the team…
its just
Very mediocre
without Mirai and Bolt,Electric Types are just gone basically
Well if you don't count electro shot
shadow wind
Yeah I remember thinking that
And that was where Tox came from
Unfortunately he’s so mid
fluid fiber
What would be a fun gimmick to use for bo1 ladder? Just want to use something really stupid while working on my ACTUAL team lol
dense latch
what format
fluid fiber
Reg H
dense latch
smth like tera psychic/grass armarouge with scarf ape, for weakness policy weak armor eforce strats
- indeedee-f of coursee, very annoying to face but it’s the only bo1 gimmick that comes to mind
some people do recognize it and plan team preview with it in mind but it might get you wins
shadow wind
Erik what do you run in Reg H
dense latch
bax sneasler balance
shadow wind
Goat
dense latch
with gambit rillaboom volc and ebuzz
really fun so far but i’ve been studying since reg h dropped so not much time to play
molten oasis
with gambit rillaboom volc and ebuzz
Nice
solid frigate
CHIEN POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
knotty briar
I just took a look at the reg J rules
I already hate it
dull ibex
https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-explosion-pokemon-gif-7201797584517036439
chi-yu when water spout
solid frigate
Chi Yu when Sash is barely holding its lava
dense latch
groudon is winning worlds confirmed ✅
dull ibex
I think the team is good and I'm going to stick with it for now but idk man somethings missing and might just be my piloting
I think I'm going to swap the bear set
shadow wind
cannot believe groudon miraidon won vr conner prolly over the moon
Bro I was the first to even send the Twitter link
I never send Twitter links
I’m just happy my team looked similar at least in the restricted department
Like exact same sets on both of em
jade dust
So there is a new perish trap team going around with Arceus
shadow wind
Means I was doing something right
jade dust
But I found out this team auto loses to Fari Urshifu lead
Can’t fake out shifu and can’t protect
And helping hand tera water surging strikes is a OHKO on Gothitelle
foggy lodge
Means I was doing something right
Fr
Perseverance always takes you far
You believed in Groudon enough and he shuted everyone up
(except me)
chrome knot
who up got the secret combos to stop missing scale shots
rustic mountain
Bro I was the first to even send the Twitter link
u were on that
def not expecting even a vr win from it, i wonder if hes locked into this for worlds or just testing out different mirai partners
cyan smelt
Based and conner pilled
wild knot
Gravity Sableye!
I remember seeing a clip of gravity sableye and darkrai
guess what happened..
ornate jacinth
would anyone be willing to help me with team building for a challenge
wild knot
https://twitter.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1952066757411373179
Give us Yu-Chi’s Chi Yu or we riot https://twitter.com/ado_sorachi/status/1952074353299882266
cyan smelt
my reg h team sucks
cyan smelt
how can an amoonguss outspeed kingambit?
stone trellis
how can an amoonguss outspeed kingambit?
What are the Speed EVs we're talking about here?
Because if it's fast Kingambit, just use Trick Room.
cyan smelt
i'm losing too much with this team
molten oasis
who up got the secret combos to stop missing scale shots
I’d like to know this too
cyan smelt
who got the secret combo to actually win
molten oasis
as hypocritical as this is, stop complaining, save your matches and watch them and see what you can do better
cyan smelt
i bet nothing i do will work
stone trellis
i bet nothing i do will work
Man, stop whining.
I know it sounds harsh, but the best thing you can do is shut the fuck up and start thinking about how you lost.
Once you've figured that out, you can brainstorm solutions.
If those are already in your team and the problem is how you use it, then that's good.
If it's a Pokemon issue, change your team members.
cyan smelt
hard tr is a big problem and i'm not sure what to do
stone trellis
Have a TR counter.
Encore, Taunt, your own TR setter...
You need to DENY the Trick Room.
cyan smelt
i have incin with taunt but it's hard when it's indeedee + tr setter
stone trellis
Also, you wanted Amoonguss to outspeed Kingambit inside of Trick Room, right?
All you need is to have 26 or 27 Speed IVs and you should be good.
cyan smelt
no, i had kingambit
stone trellis
Then what are the problems you're facing?
cyan smelt
amoonguss ouitsped outside of tr
cyan smelt
i can't teambuild for shit
stone trellis
Good, then ask for help.
Send me a paste.
I have never played Regulation H, but I know the basics of teambuilding.
cyan smelt
cyan smelt
i like body press and was expecting more spread moves
stone trellis
It's Regulation H.
Just removing Avalugg should probably help quite a lot.
Also, why Gliscor?
cyan smelt
anti sneasler
stone trellis
Oh, I get it.
That one's a solid option.
Now it's time for Incineroar.
Why is it 164 Brave?
Why do you need all the Attack investment?
molten oasis
why are you using avalugg?
stone trellis
He said it was because of Body Press and thinking that there would be more spread moves.
So like a pseudo Zamazenta.
molten oasis
the mons just, bad, regardless
stone trellis
Yeah.
cyan smelt
what moves does sneasler run
molten oasis
dire claw close combat protect always
then your choice of fake out coaching or throat chop
stone trellis
And then it's up to you for the item.
cyan smelt
i like fake out and i'm going with poison touch sash
stone trellis
That's a smart choice.
Unburden works even better with Sash, but I see the vision.
cyan smelt
maybe i should do unburden with sash because i don't have speed control outside tr
stone trellis
Yeah, Unburden works better.
cyan smelt
ok time to try this hopefully it works better
stone trellis
Also, the Incin spread is for Regulation I.
cyan smelt
yeah i'm rubbish at spreads
stone trellis
The best build to me seems to be 252 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 60 SpD / 4 Spe with an Adamant nature.
cyan smelt
i immediately lost my first game
stone trellis
I can't help with that.
cyan smelt
ok i've won 5 in a row now, i think this team is much better
stone trellis
See?
cyan smelt
sneasler is the goat
stone trellis
You can improve, you just need to seek improvement.
cyan smelt
and not intentionally use garbage mons
stone trellis
sneasler is the goat
If I ever play Reg H, I will probably invest in the Sneasler agenda.
Investing in the CIR agenda has done wonders for me.
cyan smelt
feels good to use proven mons
stone trellis
Yep.
Not everybody will succeed in using mid tier Pokemon, and that's fine.
Some people are good at just using strong teams.
stone trellis
Yeah, this.
cyan smelt
well i'm having more fun now that i'm winning with sneasler
i was thinking about reg j and i was thinking i might use skeledirge as a magearna answer
balmy glen
skeledirge gets destroyed by everything else
cyan smelt
yeah it was just a thought
stone trellis
Dirge is good into Zamazenta and Magearna.
Literally nothing else.
Gearna is the best Magearna counter.
Force it to Tera Water then use Thunderbolt.
It's not gonna survive +1.
cyan smelt
i'm thinking about grassy seed sneasler instead of sash for reg h
stone trellis
That could work too.
Usually it's paired with Indeedee and uses the Psychic Seed, but if it works for you...
balmy glen
Psychic seed Sneasler indee will be more common in reg h part 2 also lol
stone trellis
It's not gonna survive +1.
+1 120+ SpA Magearna Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Tera Water Magearna: 186-220 (99.4 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Nevermind, you need Helping Hand.
cyan smelt
i need to figure out what i do into talonflame garchomp
also is ghost tera or bug better for incin?
in reg h
stone trellis
How important is the ability to avoid Fake Out?
stone trellis
Then you can go Tera Bug.
You resist both Ursaluna and Sneasler's main attacks into Incin.
cyan smelt
god some people are already up to 1500s on reg j ladder
stone trellis
The rank 1 player should be in the 1700s.
cyan smelt
should i put flare blitz back on incin instead of taunt?
cyan smelt
i'm proud of this win https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2415062608
cyan smelt
it looked familiar, i remember the eject button torkoal and covert cloak jumpluff
cyan smelt
whichever one activates when a stat is lowered
stone trellis
Eject Pack.
cyan smelt
yep
stone trellis
So yeah, he just copied Marco's whole flow.
stone trellis
I can't stop winning today.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2415086354-qeduhpprj7b5gejj1vtxwj4u7dfcg9ppw
cyan smelt
whnever i play magearna they always tera to water
knotty mirage
Does anyone know how many speed Investment i need for choice scarf miraidon too outspeed choice scarf annihilape ?
stone trellis
Not much.
boreal abyss
Any new good teams in the new reg?
next stump
12 speed EVs lol
stone trellis
Any new good teams in the new reg?
Magearna-CIR is promising.
stone trellis
He's 1480 and I'm at 1270 (which isn't much, but I basically started using it today).
We use the same team.
knotty mirage
12 speed EVs lol
Ah okay i guess i don't need to Invest more than i already makes my scarf miraidon to outspeed scarshifu anyway
jade dust
boreal abyss
0 spe magearna will be really hard to get
jade dust
Thanks
stone trellis
Aim for the top, brother.
next stump
since this is an officially partnered server, you guys can't talk about cloning/genning in here. you're not in trouble just move the convo to DMs
about that part
stone trellis
Bet.
jade dust
since this is an officially partnered server, you guys can't talk about cloning/...
Well in the max raids back in SwSh, technically everyone that participated got a clone of the same mon
That was the method for shiny hunting too
But better to be safe
pearl wind
0 spe magearna will be really hard to get
the home reward magearna is always 0speed
stone trellis
Yeah, cause filling the National Pokedex is easy.
stone trellis
You need to register all 1025 Pokemon to Home.
pearl wind
its def easier than resetting for the usum event one 😭
balmy glen
im just like never going to be able to get those mons myself id have to borrow it from a friend lol
pearl wind
and you only need to fill the pokedex up to eternatus
stone trellis
Yeah, you only need to buy four games.
boreal abyss
I don’t have Fari yet
I have a bunch of faris if you want. non shiny tho
stone trellis
Do any of them have 0 Attack IVs?
boreal abyss
Do any of them have 0 Attack IVs?
yes, I bred a shiny 0 speed and atk so I got a bunch of non shiny ones haha
stone trellis
Nice.
boreal abyss
Ill take that for a Magearna
dm please!
dull ibex
how do i fight priority tw without priority tw?
solid frigate
Trick Room /j
chrome knot
trick room
next stump
how do i fight priority tw without priority tw?
like you have your own tailwind that's just not prankster boosted?
next stump
I think in general you want to leverage bulk on those teams to get tailwind up a turn or two after your opponent to give you an advantage on turn 5 or 6. Either that or accepting that tailwind isn't going up and playing a game around amoonguss rather than jugulis
spiral nymph
I'm pretty sure for the Magearna you also have to put them in Dex order in the boxes
dense latch
how do i fight priority tw without priority tw?
try delaying your tailwind one turn or two after your opponent sets it such that you’ll get tw turns while they don’t (assuming you can take out their setter)
if you can’t survive that one turn where you’re slower it’s likely a gameplan issue
foggy lodge
I think it also affects that all your important damage pieces have no bulk
So it's more easy to just roll into your team
As you have less tools to stall it
dense latch
that’s true
foggy lodge
Actually does sludge bomb Amoonguss kill Whimsicott
I haven't run a calc of that lol
dense latch
idk how i feel about max max mystic water ursh
foggy lodge
I know it doesn't kill if they have light screen
dense latch
or kyogre in the context of the team
foggy lodge
Yeh you want some bulk on mystic water atleast
You have tailwind so you shouldn't absolutely need to go max max
Shifu is the one that affects it the most because you have both tailwind and rain so you have built in ways to boost both of that stats
chrome knot
me when i wanna achieve literally nothing
spiral ridge
me when i wanna achieve literally nothing
nah bro the 3 turns of trick room and both screens up when they hard switch both slots is gonna make it amazing
chrome knot
,,,,,
spiral ridge
HAHA the :(
chrome knot
im 1200 now at least lol
spiral ridge
welp theres the double screens and TR so not far off and woah you didnt lose anyone lmfao
crazy
dull ibex
im 1200 now at least lol
Are you new?
spiral ridge
o
dull ibex
When did you start vgc
woven pelican
omg emma is so new
chrome knot
i pinned farig w/ cc tr so i kinda just didnt mind setting it
was free win since p2/amoonguss cannot lose vs this team lol
dull ibex
this season
Oh neat
spiral ridge
dull ibex
You know I'm a bit embarrassed by my playing
I should be doing better for my experience
chrome knot
happens ig
rustic mountain
like coming up
chrome knot
rustic mountain
lmao
molten oasis
Lit
solid frigate
https://x.com/jaylun44/status/1952383183208788252?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
wtf is eleki doing /j
stone trellis
The clanker queen demands a sacrifice.
rustic mountain
u know all about sacrifice playing groudon
shadow wind
All for a mid 130 spatk Dgleam
stone trellis
All for a mid 130 spatk Dgleam
No Fleur Cannon? Seriously?
The move that has a 50% chance of OHKOing Zama at +2?
shadow wind
u know all about sacrifice playing groudon
“Well Groudon you’re at full HP but I need you to switch in on a Kyogre clicking water spout so that Miraidon can live”
Yeah they’re running Dgleam and flash cannon
fluid fiber
Now I need to figure out how to get my hands on a Magearna
rustic mountain
it wont be very good
fluid fiber
Screw mythicals 
stone trellis
Now I need to figure out how to get my hands on a Magearna
@jade dust Do your magic.
shadow wind
Mythicals are actively throwing
stone trellis
Mythicals are actively throwing
You don't want mythicals? Play Reg I.
fluid fiber
Im gonna ladder with Shiny Meloetta just because I want to
shadow wind
I’m playing Reg H
shadow wind
I just wanna use Kommo again
rustic mountain
thats cool. i just wouldnt get too invested in getting another mythical that wont be good is worth it 
fluid fiber
thats cool. i just wouldnt get too invested in getting another mythical that won...
Magearna is great tho
shadow wind
I went against the top 10 of bo3 reg H ladder
Wait let me guess the 6 they used
foggy lodge
ok
stone trellis
I honestly know almost nothing about Reg H, to be honest.
shadow wind
Kingambit
Dragonite
Electabuzz
Sneasler
Rillaboom
Primarina
foggy lodge
No it wasn't that
rustic mountain
You don't want mythicals? Play Reg I.
its more like, u choosing a mythical over a restricted is throwing, its not like any mythical is worth choosing over a good restricted. sure u can choose mythicals but hes right ur throwing by opting out of something better
stone trellis
its more like, u choosing a mythical over a restricted is throwing, its not like...
I know, dude.
shadow wind
1/6 🥀
rustic mountain
so y tell him to play reg i?
fluid fiber
Also here's my crackhead Bo1 Reg H team rn its not good but its fun https://pokepast.es/f3fa097b5121a7f9
stone trellis
But using a proper restricted when everybody else is using one or two mythicals feels like it's giving me an unfair advantage.
next stump
and he was flaming in chat so I googled his name + VGC at the end
fluid fiber
its more like, u choosing a mythical over a restricted is throwing, its not like...
I mean, Magearna and Arceus are kinda exceptions to that
next stump
his latest result was 1-4 drop at EUIC :/
molten oasis
Lmfao
fluid fiber
Magearna walls a lot
molten oasis
Walls what exactly
stone trellis
his latest result was 1-4 drop at EUIC :/
shadow wind
Magearna had pseudo stats, not restricted stats
rustic mountain
ahh hell nah, thats rulesets, if u wanna throw ur games thats on u 
ill still break out some mythicals for fun but idc if most ppl choose mythicals just cuz they can
foggy lodge
So we don't like winning
molten oasis
Most things in the format can hit zacian just fine
rustic mountain
I mean, Magearna and Arceus are kinda exceptions to that
nah dude ull see they really arent
molten oasis
I am speaking from experience, steel fairy is great an all but it’s not this super big wall of a typing lol
foggy lodge
his latest result was 1-4 drop at EUIC :/
Lmao
stone trellis
I am speaking from experience, steel fairy is great an all but it’s not this sup...
Being weak to Fire AND Ground is just... not really worth it.
molten oasis
Yk what isn’t worth it
foggy lodge
Zac
molten oasis
Running mythicals over restricteds
foggy lodge
Gavin Michael's
stone trellis
Oh, I already have the paste for that.
rustic mountain
But from a competitive standpoint not really
yea exactly
stone trellis
Thank God.
rustic mountain
ill be running some mythicals myself for pure fun but im not expecting to win much w/ em, or to be given some genetlemens agreement that now that mythicals are allowed its somehow unfair to run 2 restricteds
molten oasis
Ik people are hyping up espeed arceus and im like
rustic mountain
lol
molten oasis
Have fun getting walled by a giraffe
Or better yet just, the 2 dominant ghosts in the format
3*
rustic mountain
arceus has a lower base atk then dnite 
molten oasis
Cuz I’d put flutter in there too
stone trellis
Ik people are hyping up espeed arceus and im like
The ever-reliable psychic giraffe:
molten oasis
I see the vision on magearna but like, why not just use miraidon
fluid fiber
I mean yeah online ladder I'm using Meloetta I'm here for funsies in Reg J
molten oasis
That mons stupid asf
stone trellis
That mons stupid asf
Exactly.
foggy lodge
The only thing of Arceus is that it has good bulk to set up a SD without needing much resources
But it's still meh
molten oasis
We won’t even see it in action that much as the rest of us are playing reg h
foggy lodge
The only real coverage for ghost you would have would be shadow claw
stone trellis
Even the shittiest Pokemon can find its niche if you cope hard enough.
molten oasis
Doesn’t make it better than the top threats
foggy lodge
Every pokemon has a niche in the depths of super ball tier cart ladder
fluid fiber
When reg J ends is that the end of ranked?
molten oasis
That’s the hope
rustic mountain
I see the vision on magearna but like, why not just use miraidon
i dont
magearna is just not completely throwing
molten oasis
When reg J ends im hoping we go to a new game
But it depends if champions is January or not
stone trellis
Oh boy, Legends Z-A is only 2 and 1/3 months away.
Ready to see the affronts to God that will be the Megas in that game?
rustic mountain
november doesnt really leave us at a great point in time with irl events goin on still so my best guess is theyd extend the reg h format for that until jan-feb and cart ladder just becomes w/e and then we move onto champions early 2026
stone trellis
november doesnt really leave us at a great point in time with irl events goin on...
w/e?
rustic mountain
whatever like whatever format they decide to just put on it. kinda like swsh cart now thats technically alive but is pretty dead
rustic mountain
We have no tournaments in December either
oh?
idk still have stuff in november tho
molten oasis
Reg h ends in November
rustic mountain
november 1st tho right
molten oasis
December is just reg j ladder lol
rustic mountain
its not thru november
molten oasis
Is it the first?
molten oasis
It just says November on serebii
rustic mountain
Official live tournaments in the Play! Pokémon Circuit would use Regulation H until November 2025
until isnt through so im assuming nov 1st for reg h
molten oasis
There’s no date
rustic mountain
says sept 1st to jan 4th for j
and then like i mentioned h is until november 2025 not through
shadow wind
What Pokémon does Dragonite really hate in Reg H?
molten oasis
I wouldn’t mind a little while of the format being dead but do we have tournaments in January?
molten oasis
What Pokémon does Dragonite really hate in Reg H?
Ninetales
rustic mountain
arch
molten oasis
Is bax faster than dnite?
stone trellis
Bax is like, base 87.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
Hmm
rustic mountain
yea its faster
molten oasis
Oh, hates Bax too then
shadow wind
I’m just thinking if I’m using Kommo, there’s been a lot of haze Dnites recently
molten oasis
Personally would suggest a9 but I’m also biased
stone trellis
Is Baxcalibur good in Reg H?
stone trellis
Finally, he has a purpose.
rustic mountain
bax has been good b4
molten oasis
He’s always had purpose in lower power formats
rustic mountain
granted lower power formats but still
stone trellis
I didn't want the Mightiest Mark one I had to rot in my boxes forever.
molten oasis
Baxcalibur is best when things like shifu and fluttermane aren’t everywhere
shadow wind
He’s banned in OU
molten oasis
Smogon also banned like, every good gen 9 Mon
shadow wind
Unban Palafin 🙏
stone trellis
Smogon also banned like, every good gen 9 Mon
Iron Hands and Ursaluna are both rotting in UU, aren't they?
shadow wind
That’s cause they’re slow
molten oasis
Tr isn’t as viable of a strategy in single I believe
molten oasis
Bloodmoon is just generally a cracked Mon ig
shadow wind
Why would you want a mon that has to take a hit then OHKO over a Mon who doesn’t need to take a hit and still OHKOs
Why am I getting more mons reels on Instagram recently
Instagram
Like what is this
next stump
I wouldn’t *mind* a little while of the format being dead but do we have tournam...
yes toronto is like january 13th
stone trellis
Nah, what about Reg J in official tournaments?
Can't wait to see the finals be just like Bologna.
next stump
yeah reg I rerun is a good guess
stone trellis
Reg I has been a ton of fun for me, so I wouldn't complain if that were to happen.
molten oasis
Then maybe worlds is uh, champions
That wouldn’t be the worst but I’d prefer not reg I rerun lol
forest arrow
Pls no more re runs
dull ibex
so how bulk does mystic water shifu want?
molten oasis
Just give us reg h with paradox
It would be so much better than reg I rerun, I think
dull ibex
Champions can't come soon enough
next stump
reg F had urshifu and other regular legendaries
fluid fiber
My "For Fun" Reg J team for Bo1 laddering https://pokepast.es/25cc82ef210d6852
Just kinda wanna use mythicals while they're legal
next stump
looks fun 🙂
chrome knot
dillon
dillon
next stump
chrome knot
hey
next stump
There’s a store in chicago that’s gonna host a live viewing of Worlds
and host a TCG and maybe VG tourney at the same time
chrome knot
oh cool
bold geode
hey<a:BearWiggle:774969676798230548>
bold geode
I think Adamant go brr honestly
Like sure you outspeed other Dnite but like
How many calcs do you lose out on
chrome knot
idk i havent played in a month
bold geode
Idk that's my thinking at least
spiral ridge
idk i havent played in a month
resets your memory by a month so its all fresh to you
chrome knot
aaaaaa
spiral ridge
:3
chrome knot
ok i know why
and the answer is i brought jolly to toronto cup to speed creep dnites
and it won me some games knowing that
shadow wind
What moves are Dnites running?
chrome knot
scale shot then a mix of
tailwind haze stomping tantrum tera blast flying extreme speed low kick protect
shadow wind
Hmm
So if I wanted to make Kommo work what kind of partner would a Dragonite most hate seeing
Cause the haze is annoying
polar canyon
Yo arceus has perish song?
polar canyon
So if I wanted to make Kommo work what kind of partner would a Dragonite most ha...
I mean it would probably be flutter mane with the fairy ghost
shadow wind
Reg H broski🥀🥀🥀
shadow wind
It would also hate seeing CSR
polar canyon
At least espeed hits
chrome knot
So if I wanted to make Kommo work what kind of partner would a Dragonite most ha...
alolan ninetales
polar canyon
Wait shadow
next stump
shadow wind
Dude I was thinking of using A9 with Cetitan for more Sinistcha gaming but that might be trash
polar canyon
Sinistcha gaming is always awesome
knotty mirage
Just wondering is scarf final gambit annihilape thing that i need to be wary on reg J because now i'm thinking of making my zamazenta to have tera ghost
chrome knot
https://x.com/hattereneseries/status/1952431508494700913?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfs...
this is a girls tournament btw
shadow wind
Yeah but just because I have Sinistcha doesn’t mean I need 18 sacrificial set up mons
chrome knot
female & gnc
polar canyon
Just wondering is scarf final gambit annihilape thing that i need to be wary on ...
Apparently that's something that makes magearna work
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
Yeah it makes Magearna get +2 turn one
knotty mirage
I know that's why is making my zamazenta tera ghost good idea to hard counter them
next stump
this is a girls tournament btw
yep 😄 I know we have a couple here so wanted to share
chrome knot
Dude I was thinking of using A9 with Cetitan for more Sinistcha gaming but that ...
if u IDBP tera steel + veil & have alot of annoyance dnite wont be an issue
for kommo at least
knotty mirage
Yeah it makes Magearna get +2 turn one
Like that strat can't do fuck all agains't caly s and tera ghost zamazenta
chrome knot
yep 😄 I know we have a couple here so wanted to share
okie just making suree
polar canyon
So I wonder if perish trap arceus could be funny
shadow wind
if u IDBP tera steel + veil & have alot of annoyance dnite wont be an issue
I was going to use clang set
polar canyon
Thought I'd spectate one battle to see what people might be using so far
solid frigate
Thought I'd spectate one battle to see what people might be using so far
man it would be funny if both of them final gambit
foggy lodge
Idk about probabilities what are the odds of getting critted by one hit of scale shot
shadow wind
It’s like a 26% chance I think?
Which seems really high
Actually nah that sounds about right
I’m sticking with it
polar canyon
man it would be funny if both of them final gambit
Both rage fist
knotty mirage
I have been wondering about this but can wide guard block dark void by any chance ?
next stump
Idk about probabilities what are the odds of getting critted by one hit of scale...
I tried to do the math by hand but it's been 8 years since my last stats class, so I asked my programmer brother and he said it's about 15% chance factoring in 90% accuracy and the equal (is it actually 50%?) chance for it to be either 4 or 5 hits
15% chance for one or more scale shot to crit
no clue if that's accurate but he's way smarter than I am and that's a really interesting math question
foggy lodge
Hmmm
Interesting
Thanks to you and your brother btw
I also asked some friends that know way more about maths but only asked about a crit chance in 5 hits
bold geode
I tried to do the math by hand but it's been 8 years since my last stats class, ...
Bro doesn't do math
foggy lodge
Because I wanted to consider the worst case scenario lmao
According to someone on a pokeforum years before
5 crits of a multihit move would be like as probable as a comet landing
Tho that was when loaded dice didn't exist
next stump
I think the equation is basically
Probability of NOT landing a crit in 4 hits = (23/24)^4
which is like 84%, which means the probability OF landing a crit is about 16%
(23/24)^5 for if scale shot lands 5 times, which equals about 19% chance of landing a crit in that scenario
factor in the 90% accuracy and it brings you down to 15-16% overall chance to land a crit when clicking scale shot (if you have loaded dice)
that's really solid odds, that means you're going to get one crit or more on average in a bo3 set
shadow wind
Oh wait it’s 1/24?
I thought it was 1/16 for crits
The way I got my number was
1-(1-P)^#
I obviously didn’t account for the 90% accuracy with that
But I did 1-(1-(1/16))^4 and that but with the 5 hits then averaged it out
next stump
it looks like they changed it from older gens
I never played before SWSH so I never knew that, that's an interesting change
shadow wind
Weird
I always thought it was 1/16
I knew the +1 was 1/8
So I just assumed it was half the odds
That makes so much more sense as to why Ivy cudgel crits so often
It’s 3x as likely
foggy lodge
252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 148 SpD Sinistcha: 170-204 (95.5 - 114.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Damn dude
Not solar power boosted btw
What are some important special hits for Sinistcha to survive
With tera dark I can take a +2 make it rain
next stump
life orb shadow ball
foggy lodge
From the physical side I'm fine
foggy lodge
life orb shadow ball
I think I would have to be like 252 HP 252+ SpD to have a chance🫠
next stump
oof hahaha, then maybe just leftovers modest shadow ball
like the 132+ variants
I think it’s 132 where gholdengo gets a second bump
foggy lodge
Not that much but
252 SpA Life Orb Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 148 SpD Sinistcha: 182-218 (102.2 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I would have to go calm but I think I got some sick defensive calcs
I live 2 scale shots from jolly Dnite, rage fist with 2 stacks from jolly annihilape and close combat from jolly ape with tera dark
132+ SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 148 SpD Sinistcha: 144-170 (80.8 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Tyranitar Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 108+ Def Sinistcha: 146-174 (82 - 97.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after sandstorm damage
Well this is how it looks in the end https://pokepast.es/d73e1b3d0eec841b
dull ibex
it just hit me
every mon on my team benefits from rain
im playing an aggressive rain team LMAO
molten oasis
Well this is how it looks in the end https://pokepast.es/d73e1b3d0eec841b
very nice
dull ibex
anyone wanna coach me and watch me ladder?
bold geode
im playing an aggressive rain team LMAO
You dumbass 
dull ibex
dollarmonke you bitch get in here and watch me play!
bold geode
dollarmonke you bitch get in here and watch me play!
I'M AT WORK BITCH
dull ibex
I'M AT WORK BITCH
NOBODY CARES
bold geode
NOBODY CARES
dull ibex
Pipebomb
solid frigate
shadow wind
Incin is dead
solid frigate
i'm not playing it
shadow wind
On god
wind sparrow
wth were the balencers on they must have been on acid
shadow wind
I have 12 missed calls from Tyranitar
solid frigate
i rather play Greninja in Reg H than play Reg J as awhole
(I played Greninja in Reg G wave 2)
wind sparrow
guys did we get shiny wo chien?
shadow wind
I think it’s out on the 8th? I might be wrong on that
foggy lodge
August 8th
wind sparrow
sweet
foggy lodge
Shiny Wo-Chien
???
???
Truly shiny Wo-Chien release is one of the most important things that happen on august 8th
shadow wind
Shiny Wo Chien
Laufey album
Some Marvel Rivals character my friend won’t stop talking about
wind sparrow
ima have 2 wo chiens bro
foggy lodge
Shiny Wo Chien
Laufey album
Some Marvel Rivals character my friend won’t stop ta...
LAUFEY???
(I only listened 3 songs)
shadow wind
Yeah the whole “A matter of time” album drops on the 8th
solid frigate
foggy lodge
Unpopular opinion I hate so much the good kid cover of from the start
shadow wind
Unpopular opinion I hate so much the good kid cover of from the start
It’s just not the vibe
wind sparrow
Have you ever wondered how good the champions teams are competively?
shadow wind
Like it’s alright but I really like pop so I’m going to enjoy it
molten oasis
Music Monday?
shadow wind
But I’d rather listen to the original cover
shadow wind
Music Monday?
Laufey Londay I heard
foggy lodge
I don't like making it sound like a rock version of a ballad song
Idk I don't fuck w it
shadow wind
And that’s fair
foggy lodge
Maybe it has to do with good kid account always showing up in my fyp on ig and they only make videos using their version of from the start
wind sparrow
guys wgen legends z-a comes out are u gonna get like a legendary from home to beat the whole thing
foggy lodge
You can't even do that
wind sparrow
but pokemon home exists
wind sparrow
Bruh
shadow wind
Yup
wind sparrow
truck nintendo
shadow wind
I’d say it’s a good thing
Games are meant to be enjoyed
And 90% of the enjoyment is game progression
solid frigate
252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Tera Grass Archaludon: 168-198 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Mf-
molten oasis
It’s Archaludon dude
shadow wind
With AV
shadow wind
Yes
molten oasis
With Greninja Cinderace and Meowscarada
shadow wind
Sun and moon don’t exist
solid frigate
at least Meow is slightly better than Gren
faster by 1 point
has a signature move that does not suck
well in offense anyway
cuz Shuriken is good for Utility in doubles
lofty tartan
wth were the balencers on they must have been on acid
Yeah they let Mythicals in, which just means Scarlet/Violet is done, and the Mythicals aren't in a format that's legal for tournament play.
Reg J is just an online format.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
lofty tartan
Reg H is the official competitive format.
molten oasis
Better format
lofty tartan
^Reg J is garbage
solid frigate
its the reason why Archaludon and Ape can get fucking rage fist and body press power up
sharp escarp
^Reg J is garbage
All I did was add mythical?
wind sparrow
Im scared i dont wanna die to orgian dialaga
molten oasis
Yeah and they all suck lol
wind sparrow
oh wait i have garchomp
lofty tartan
They added Mythicals, and that's all they did. Mythicals take one of two Restricted slots, and they're often just straight up worse than a Restricted of any flavor.
Mythicals are Mythicals because they're exclusive.
sharp escarp
What about darkrai
molten oasis
Magearna and Arceus are the only two that might see play
lofty tartan
^
molten oasis
What about darkrai
Dark void is 50% accurate that sucks
shadow wind
What about darkrai
Flutter mane is better than it
lofty tartan
And Deoxys Speed/Attack
sharp escarp
Dark void is 50% accurate that sucks
We know why
molten oasis
Yeah
shadow wind
I think Deo will see more success than Magearna
lofty tartan
Yes, Dark Void is a meme that's like 6 years old we get it
shadow wind
I really don’t think Magearna is good
sharp escarp
solid frigate
the only mythicals worth using is just Arceus and Magerena
lofty tartan
wind sparrow
oh no dont tell me i gotta trade for mythicals so i dont die i dont wanna 😫
lofty tartan
I really don’t think Magearna is good
Far less worthwhile in a format with 4 mons on the field at any given time. For sure.
molten oasis
the only mythicals worth using is just Arceus and Magerena
You wanna use acreus over CSR?
lofty tartan
oh no dont tell me i gotta trade for mythicals so i dont die i dont wanna 😫
You don't have to trade for Mythicals. The format is nothing, and it's probably gonna be this format for the forever future of SV
molten oasis
I don’t think it’s worth it at all
shadow wind
I’ll use fire Arceus and Groudon
molten oasis
I’ll use reg h things
shadow wind
Finally have my fire type restricted that isn’t Ho oh
lofty tartan
Yeah splitting the formats is an undeniably silly move.
wind sparrow
what could i even trade for a mythical
lofty tartan
shadow wind
Other Mythicals probably
polar canyon
You don't have to trade for Mythicals. The format is nothing, and it's probably...
Maybe magearna if it stays good and maybe arceus if you don't have legends arceus
lofty tartan
Mythicals are very exclusive. They're only obtainable in certain ways. That's why they're Mythical.
Many people don't want to part with them.
polar canyon
I'm glad hoopa is apparently bad
shadow wind
Which is why they should stay out of VGC
molten oasis
The most accessible ones are the legends ZA ones and Pecharunt
Arceus
Not ZA sorry
lofty tartan
We know what you meant
shadow wind
Old Legends
lofty tartan
The Legends Arceus ones are accessible but paywalled, essentially.
polar canyon
I feel like pecharunt would be mid even if it didn't take a restricted slot
shadow wind
I might have to get a switch 2 for PLZA 🥀
molten oasis
I think Pecharunt is too
lofty tartan
I'm getting one for PLZA
molten oasis
You have to buy the dlc I think
polar canyon
Yeah
lofty tartan
Yeah all of the Mythicals are either locked behind DLC or you gotta buy a whole other game that isn't SV or you have to have obtained them through the older events.
Some of them are extremely exclusive, like Magearna
lofty tartan
Yup. Genesect, Victini, etc.
shadow wind
The only one I would’ve used
polar canyon
Yeah all of the Mythicals are either locked behind DLC or you gotta buy a whole ...
Let's just not mention calyrex for the sake of keeping that point standing
shadow wind
I dream of Groudon Victini 😔
lofty tartan
Let's just not mention calyrex for the sake of keeping that point standing
We're talking about Mythicals. Not Restricteds.
polar canyon
I mean mythicals kind of are restricted now too
molten oasis
Nah
lofty tartan
polar canyon
What I mean is by that standard calyrex is just as hard to obtain
molten oasis
They should have been their own thing
shadow wind
Nah cause Calyrex requires a single game + dlc
solid frigate
i need an Indeedee male set cuz idk wtf they run most of the time
shadow wind
Tell me the last time Victini was obtainable
molten oasis
Nah cause Calyrex requires a single game + dlc
$90
polar canyon
Nah cause Calyrex requires a single game + dlc
Arceus requires a single game
lofty tartan
Tell me the last time Victini was obtainable
Tour Pass Deluxe, Pokemon Go
shadow wind
Pokémon go makes all of this pointless but yknow
solid frigate
Tell me the last time Victini was obtainable
literally pogo and you still pay for it
polar canyon
I'm not trying to defend game freak tho it's still a little scummy either way that they make the best of the best require other games
lofty tartan
Pokémon go makes all of this pointless but yknow
Sort of. Mythicals are always paywalled behind Event Special Research, and they take ages to unlock.
I just got my Research for Mew done, and I bought it years ago.
I have the Research for Shiny Jirachi - it'll take me probably a year or more to complete.
shadow wind
They used to be free though didn’t they?
molten oasis
Nope
shadow wind
I remember getting mew and I’ve never bought anything in Pogo
molten oasis
Not that I’m aware of at least
lofty tartan
I mean Mew, Jirachi, Victini, Volcanion - those are all paywalled.
dense latch
I have the Research for Shiny Jirachi - it'll take me probably a year or more to...
wtf that’s crazy
lofty tartan
We got free Genesects recently due to an error.
shadow wind
I swear mew used to be free
lofty tartan
They were also a paid ticket.
dense latch
haven’t played pogo since like 2021
solid frigate
i just don't think even with they fixed on the restricted legendary cap (SWSH has no restricted legendry cap in series 13) mythicals are good
molten oasis
The way they handle mythicals is bad for VGC
polar canyon
Was volcanion ever even obtainable without limited time
solid frigate
haven’t played pogo since like 2021
i just played pogo for Shiny Zacian
lofty tartan
The way Pokemon Go handles everything is to get you to pay money.
shadow wind
Like most mobile games
polar canyon
The way they handle mythicals is bad for VGC
Luckily most of them suck compared to legendary restricteds
lofty tartan
Yeah like most mobile games. Go is no different.
molten oasis
True
lofty tartan
And this is from someone who pays for Remote Raid Passes.
lofty tartan
It's dumb.
molten oasis
BUT I’m glad VGC is a better format
polar canyon
I'm just glad they made mythicals take a restricted slot so all the more unobtainable ones are entirely unviable
Most of them at least
I hope magearna falls off
lofty tartan
BUT I’m glad VGC is a better format
If they had made Mythicals the format, there would have been chaos in the streets.
molten oasis
Would have been ass
lofty tartan
Mainly due to how inaccessible they are