competitive_discussion

[next stump]

or sometimes there will be like custom tournaments hosted by creators

but those are rare

[misty helm]

or you could do link battles

[fallen fog]

This is alot lol

I didnt know what to press on the site

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSS_VbhioAU

Great video on how to use the website for single battle players

[fallen fog]

Thank you so much!

[gentle crag]

fishnip has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[fallen fog]

What are those?

[foggy lodge]

Top 584 on cart ladder

The goal rn is top 500 wish me luvk

[next stump]

nice 😄 good job

[misty helm]

they are battles you do with friends through a code you shared with them

[fallen fog]

Maybe I can find codes for people to play with there

Somewhere*

Good luck

[foggy lodge]

Against zamogre fuck

[misty helm]

you can select from a varied rule set with your friends and have 6v6 battles

[fallen fog]

Just gotta get a friend that plays this first lol

[misty helm]

also if your looking for a random opponent you can probably do them without entering a code

[bold geode]

Hehe

[next stump]

unless you are deadset on playing in game, playing on is going to lead to you having a better experience in my opinion

[molten oasis]

Zamogre is real and it will hurt you

[next stump]

there are multiple different "gamemodes" that allow you to use pokemon that are weaker (like your rain strategy) against other weak pokemon

[bold geode]

Hehehe ZamOgre real

[next stump]

since people got sick of strong pokemon in every game

[fallen fog]

Lol I like that

Wait is the website like coneccted to the switch?

or is that like a web game?

[misty helm]

it's just a web game

[next stump]

it's a web browser game

completely independent from anything in your pokemon save

I would take a guess that it's how probably 75% (maybe even more?) of single players play the game, especially in english speaking countries

in game singles (called BSS for Battle Stadium Singles) is popular in Japan though

[fallen fog]

Ohhh so its like "sandbox" I dont have tocatch any pokemon, I can just get access to whichever I want?

[next stump]

yep, exactly 😄

[fallen fog]

Oh wow

Oooo that sounds promising

[misty helm]

people on there can be pretty toxic though

[fallen fog]

Oh yeah ive seen some videos from that lol

[dense latch]

they're all staged anyways

at least the vgc community is pretty healthy imo

[foggy lodge]

I think I lost lol

Wait no its a 50/50

[bold geode]

LOL

[foggy lodge]

I THINK ITS NOT OVER

IF HE MISSES HYDROPUMP

[bold geode]

Nah that's crazy

[foggy lodge]

nvm it connected ggs

[bold geode]

LOL

[foggy lodge]

If I protected I would have won

Fuck

[strong marsh]

Does anyone have a extra calyrex

[bold geode]

#trading_sv

[foggy lodge]

I doubt someone can gift one its a super rare pokemon

[bold geode]

Trading channels are like your best bet

[strong marsh]

I tried

[bold geode]

Unless you literally play SwSh DLC

[strong marsh]

I have it

It’s just that I don’t have my sh

[next stump]

where's your sh

[strong marsh]

Idk

[bold geode]

What is a sh

[strong marsh]

Shield

[foggy lodge]

I'm taking screenshots of every team I find on high ladder too

[bold geode]

Oh

So you just don't have the game on you but

[foggy lodge]

I'm against a japanese player with Zama Miraidon Sneasler

[bold geode]

Actually
Is the Calyrex
Fuck nvm it has to be unfused

[strong marsh]

I’m pretty sure I have the pokemon but I don’t have the game

[bold geode]

Sensei Nikolaj

[foggy lodge]

I think I could have picked Incin but I should be fine going into this

[foggy lodge]

Nah Nikolaj likes Ursaluna

[strong marsh]

I really wanna make this team

[bold geode]

He also likes Sneasler

And Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

I'm gonna gamble on the double up into Flutter wish me luck

FLUTTER PARALYZED FROM DIRE CLAW

[bold geode]

LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

fuck my life

[bold geode]

Get fucked nerd
We gamble

[foggy lodge]

I'm gambling now that he is not throat chop Sneasler

I gambled to lose my game on the spot got it right and he gambled nothing and somehow won the turn lmfao

[strong marsh]

I wanna make this team https://pokepast.es/6128cd0747c4c3f5

[foggy lodge]

He is throat chop Sneasler

Scream Tail please take a dire claw and don't get rng'd

[bold geode]

LMAO
Bro said "but did you win"

[foggy lodge]

He didn't attack scream tail

I WON

Scream Tail won the 1v1 against Zama

Fucking mental herb Lunala AGAIN

[molten oasis]

Lmao

Nice

[solid frigate]

i fought that before and i hate it

[molten oasis]

It’s so annoying dude

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge what team you playin

[solid frigate]

like its just almost near guarantee TR

[foggy lodge]

Agati

[bold geode]

Ah

I be doing well against Korai CSR lately

[foggy lodge]

Do you want to see my suffering

[bold geode]

At work or else I would say yes

[foggy lodge]

They critted my Incin

Fuck this game

Ugh I lost because of a 50/50

I made a CSR Mirai player rage quit

Sorry for that Kevin

[solid frigate]

Kebin

[molten oasis]

Not Kevin!

[misty helm]

Do you think that Tera normal extreme speed is mandatory on rayquaza or can I go for a dragon stab

Like dragon claw

Is dragon claw good enough of a move to sacrifice extreme speed

[bold geode]

@balmy glen bro people in the TexasVGC Discord are TRASHING the Smogon tour LMAO

[strong marsh]

Calyrex carrying me to master ball

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/pogchamp-pog-pogey-poggers-twitch-gif-14340727

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to mmiles_

[strong marsh]

@next stump what’s gen rep

[bold geode]

Just a server thing

[dense latch]

usually just given out when ppl reply with a thank you to a message of yours

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

why tho

[bold geode]

Took 2 hrs to finish R1 cuz people had to plug in 400+ match results manually and technical errors occurred

[dense latch]

pretty bad organization

[bold geode]

See people are wanting it to be on Limitless next time
I don't

[dense latch]

smogon didn't want to use a third party tournament organizer because they "didn't want to partner with other websites" according to mdb

i just think it's a bad move to put the responsibility of managing all the results on 4 people

especially all the no shows in r1

[bold geode]

They own the site, it'd make the whole point irrelevant imo to host it on a different site
But I do think they need to add automated match reports somehow if they wanna go on with doing it under Smogon

[bold geode]

See what happened was that they were plugging stuff in and stuff started duplicating crazy so they had to start all over

[dense latch]

oh damn

[bold geode]

But yeah for example Carson Confer literally said that he wouldn't participate again if it was ran thru Smogon

Like it sucks cuz like
I want them to try and host it thru Smogon if they can get automated reporting going but like I see the general consensus is to not hold it thru Smogon so imo they're gonna have a catch 22 now where it's either like
Host it thru another site and miss out on literally hosting it thru the website you own which should be the big seller imo or like
Host it thru your site and even if they do fix issues still run the chance of not having near as many people playing cuz it ain't held thru Limitless for example

[strong marsh]

Does anyone have a extra calyrex I’ll give u 2 shinies and a groudon (sorry for posting this message here it’s just nobodies been messsging me)

@dense latch erik

[dense latch]

i don't

[strong marsh]

Dang

[bold geode]

But like
I feel like they kinda jumped the gun too without thinking about how it was all gonna work

And now like
How their rep is gonna be looked at going forward at least in terms of VGC tournaments like this is gonna be messed up a bit

[bold geode]

@chrome knot bnuuy

[strong marsh]

Dollarmonke

Can you perfect my evs and ivs for me

I ran out of money

[bold geode]

I'm at work twin

[balmy glen]

Main hosts fault lul

smogon tours get like 1-5 hosts and all but one or two wanted to host on limitless apparently

[bold geode]

Thing is I wouldn't mind them doing thru Smogon if they had automated match reporting, would've made stuff so much easier
Cuz like there was technical issues, which is why R1 took so damn long

But I feel going forward, probably no one will play if it's thru Smogon

[upper quartz]

Is this a good party
Quaquaval, Archaludon, Aloaln Ninetaless, Ceruledge, Aloaln Raichu and Meowscarada.
Is that a good party or not

[mint void]

This chat is more geared towards competitive PvP battles.
This seems more like a playthrough related question?

The current ruleset in SV is Reg I which requires for u to run 2 restricted legandaries to be competitive at all.

For PvP

[upper quartz]

No it's not. I am finished with the game and want to start competitive. I am new to it by the way

[mint void]

I have been out of the game for a while so Im not keen on the meta but u will need 2 restricted legandaries and some more strong mons around that.

The last time I played the only viable mons on that roster were A-9 and Archaludon and even those were very niche.

I recommend watching a Video by Cybertron or similar youtubers to get an idea of what caliber you need and what is decently viable.
Be aware that those YTers often feature teams that are off-meta as well.

Or wait until someone responds who is more invested in the meta.

[upper quartz]

Okay thank you

[gentle crag]

ryz12 has given 1 Gen Rep to lnk1603

[molten oasis]

Lost to CSR helping hand groudon cuz I didn’t attack the CSR thinking it would protect

[left bobcat]

LETS GET IT

BEEP BEEP BEEP

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2405775256 almost didn’t take Fari and it ended up being how I won lol

[strong marsh]

Hey dudes and dudettes

[solid frigate]

what

[bold geode]

SDIYBT

[bold geode]

What

WHAT

[dull ibex]

I have a switch 2

Monke do you know what that means

[molten oasis]

DK game?

[bold geode]

WEEGEECEE BUT AT A WAY HIGHER GRAPHIC?

[dull ibex]

Yes

[dull ibex]

I'm not interested in Dk tbh

[molten oasis]

What are you gonna play on it besides weegeecee then, mariokart?

[dull ibex]

Cyberpunk

Zelda, GameCube games, splatoon

I have a decent library installed

Oh also marvel rivals when that's out of switch 2

[molten oasis]

Fair

[dull ibex]

I want to play on a console that I don't have to mute

Or borrow

[molten oasis]

That’s valid, congrats on getting one

[left bobcat]

🐳

[strong marsh]

It’s so peak 🥹

[dull ibex]

thanks a bunch

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[strong marsh]

thanks a bunch

[gentle crag]

mmiles_ has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus

[solid frigate]

bruh

[strong marsh]

hey torrent

@solid frigate

Can you help me sorry for ping

[upper quartz]

Yo what is competitive regulation at the moment

[knotty mirage]

Reg i so you can use 2 restricted mon

[upper quartz]

What is that

I already have a rough team already but I need to know the regulations

[stone trellis]

Restricted Pokemon are all of the box legendaries, along with some extra ones.

So Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Calyrex, Koraidon, Miraidon and Terapagos.

You can have up to two of these on your team.

@upper quartz Any questions?

[upper quartz]

So how many can I have on my team

[stone trellis]

You can have up to two.

I'd advise you to use two because they're just really strong Pokemon and not using as many as possible holds you back a lot.

[upper quartz]

Okay when it comes to competitive how many Pokemon can you use. I don't know yet since there is not one really doing it in my area

[stone trellis]

You can use 6 Pokemon on your team.

But you can only bring four to each battle.

[upper quartz]

How many do you use in a battle though

[stone trellis]

Four.

Each trainer only has two on the field.

[upper quartz]

Okay thank you

[analog grove]

hello!! im tryina get sorta into comp and i was js wondering if yall had some basic beginner tips for like team building and online battles

[eternal wing]

Hey guys I transferred some pokemons from my sword and shield game, they lost all their egg moves during the process is there anyway of getting them back or I have to breed new ones!

[chilly anvil]

You need to have another Pokemon that knows the egg move you want your Pokemon to learn again in their move slot.

The other Pokemon that wants to know the egg move needs to have one move removed (so having 3 moves)

Both Pokemon need to hold a Mirror Herb and be in the same party, then start a picnic. The Pokemon with the 3 moves that has the move as an egg move will learn the move.

[eternal wing]

Got it, thank you

[upper quartz]

Yo I have a question when building a team for competitive what should I be looking for in Pokemon

[upper quartz]

If any one does have tips for competitive can you please DM me so it is easier to talk

[misty helm]

Is earth power better for offensive skeledirge or is alluring voice better

How much does skeledirge benefit from ground vs fairy coverage

I guess both would only cover 1 weakness

[waxen dock]

what does skeliderge gives you?

[chrome knot]

<nothing>

[misty helm]

Happiness

And a more unique Pokémon to use in the meta game

I’m mainly trying to prep for the early gen 10 meta

[waxen dock]

so fun losing because of origin pulse missing and my opponent hitting p blades

[misty helm]

Yeah the meta is kinda out of control at this point in scarlet and violet

I personally think I will wait until it circles back around to the less chaotic beginning of a new meta

[waxen dock]

is just dies one shot from e drift

and draco

so i think tera ground is better

[misty helm]

So you would choose earth power

[grave hatch]

Heyy I am building a competitive smeargle rn, I have the pokemon with the moove that I want smeargle to copy, but I dont find a place to fight in double so I can use sketch

Does anyone know how to do it please?

[upper quartz]

If any one does have tips for competitive can you please DM me to help

[misty helm]

Battle a ditto wait for them to use transform and then switch to smeargle and use sketch be sure that the Pokémon only knows the one move

[stone trellis]

I'll challenge you to a Link Battle.

[grave hatch]

Thank u!!

[gentle crag]

olivier_robin has given 1 Gen Rep to dracorex232

[cyan smelt]

Find a ditto and lead with a pokemon with only the move that you want smeargle to learn, then swap into smeargle and wait til it uses the move

[grave hatch]

I’ll tell you if I dont manage to learn the more with ditto

[stone trellis]

Also wait, can't you do the battles in Blueberry Academy?

They're all double battles.

[grave hatch]

Nope

[misty helm]

Do you think victory dance and quiver dance and baton pass is a good set of moves for smeargle

Sort of like geomancy smeargle but on a budget

[left bobcat]

NEBBY GET IN THE DAMN BAG

[grave hatch]

Idk I play smeargle in double so I play decorate, but why playing smeargle with baton pass and quiver dance when you can just play volcarona + quiver dance + baton pass ?

[copper token]

Does anyone know if max attack e speed dragonite is still viable in reg I, he’s my favourite Pokémon and I want to use him

[shadow wind]

Paonite would be good into Miraidon teams but not so much into CSR Zama teams

[stone trellis]

And who would its partners even be?

Like, what restricted duo wants to use Drago-Chien?

Maybe something with Zamazenta?

[chrome knot]

normal dnite kinda solos

csr zam if u find zam early

[stone trellis]

Dragonite with Chien and Zamazenta seems pretty cool.

It's the only kind of CSR-Zamazenta team I'm willing to run, honestly.

[stone trellis]

At the request of a friend, I've begun working on a team with Rayquaza.

I need a second restricted for it.

[foggy lodge]

Cloak Pao made top 8 at the Smogon tour LMFAO

[molten oasis]

wtf

[foggy lodge]

He lost

Good run tho

Cloak tera dragon pao with dnite

Paonite strikes back

[molten oasis]

That’s a wild set

[stone trellis]

Please Speed I need this 😭

My Rayquaza's kind of homeless...

[next stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1946602888072995316?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner)

What if I told you...

You don't need to be a "top player" to win tournaments?

You just need to become the player who...

- Has a solid practice routine
- Proactively understands the meta
- Improves decision-making under pressure

That's it.

X · Jul 19, 2025, 4:07 PM

Really like a lot of his tweets lately

[bold geode]

Hell a good chunk of known players rn weren't on the radar in SV til they won somethin or did well

[lofty tartan]

That's what puts people on the radar, Monke

[compact knoll]

Is meowscarada good for competitive right now?

[lofty tartan]

No, it's not

[compact knoll]

Alright

[strong marsh]

@high tendon

Does anyone have a rain team for my archalodon

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/7a764fdb645b53de

archaludon has actually zero good results this regulation 😦

[hollow cipher]

Is brute bonnet any good, like for sun teams?

[next stump]

yes brute bonnet is solid right now

[knotty briar]

Min attack Calyrex!
Hell yeah!!!

[strong marsh]

Can I get a rain team or a good team with archalodon

[next stump]

I linked one

[strong marsh]

That looks like a pro team idk if I’ll be able to use it

I’m new

[next stump]

What do you mean by a pro team? There aren’t really pros in pokemon

Archaludon sucks right now and if you’re going to try and use it, that’s basically the only team out there that’s run it

[bold geode]

YOU'RE TELLING ME MY WOLFE GLICK TRADING CARD ISN'T WORTH ANYTHING?! Damn it bro

[bold geode]

Well lookey who's here

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-creeping-lurker-creeper-browse-gif-7869977

[upper quartz]

Can I have tips on building a team and I should be looking for

[next stump]

are you playing single or double battles?

[upper quartz]

I want to be doing both

[next stump]

this chat mostly has doubles players since that is the official competitive format, so we can help there and there are a ton of videos on how to build in singles

what kind of advice are you looking for? have you ever played before?

[upper quartz]

I mainly do doubles but I have good Pokemon in my opinion but they don't do well in doubles

[next stump]

do you know about rulesets (called "regulations" officially)?

[upper quartz]

No I don't. I started with casual yesterday and I don't know what is regulation at the moment

[next stump]

competitive doubles has a ruleset that rotates every 3-6 months. Right now, we are in "Regulation I", which allows the strongest pokemon in the game called restricted legendaries. These are pokemon like Groudon, Kyogre, Calyrex, etc.

Because of these rulesets, you are kind of restricted in what pokemon you can use if your goal is to win any battles

[upper quartz]

I know that and I have been told it is best to use 2 of them

But I don't know how to pair Pokemon together that work together and what the meta is

[left bobcat]

Lettuce help u

[upper quartz]

Who that

[next stump]

Step 1 of teambuilding in Regulation I is deciding on at least one, or both, of the restricted legendaries that you want to use

[upper quartz]

I been told that

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/im-waiting-so-step-brothers-well-gif-16068052

Do you have two that you want to use

[strong marsh]

How do I team build

Can someone send me a guide in DMs

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/YN718-hqrxw?si=M_jpMOOGWLNgaSl3

best video for newcomers I’ve seen

[strong marsh]

Ty

[next stump]

But also just want to say for the record that most new players shouldn’t build a team until they’re at least master ball

[strong marsh]

I need a good rental team I’m still in pokeball

[strong marsh]

Can u give me one

[next stump]

circles back to what I said earlier, you need to pick two restricteds that you like and choose a team from there

https://www.youtube.com/@CybertronVGC

or check out his channel

best VGC youtuber there is and he does in depth breakdowns and battle guides for teams

[strong marsh]

Miraidon and caylex

Whatever the ice rider is

@next stump

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/9affb5b265a81343

Paste: 427QSD

Video walkthrough here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-6NCbNi-Q&t=1s

[dense latch]

i heard michael kelsch was dropping a team report on his newest team too so keep an eye out for that one

it's very similar just with some set changes

[strong marsh]

Doesn’t work

[dense latch]

the rental is probably gone since it's been two months

[strong marsh]

Yes

[next stump]

yeah RIP :/

https://pokepast.es/b2c2fd8b0038c814

VHR0H7

[strong marsh]

I’m in love with this

I’m not getting k’od at all

I’m insta killing

And I don’t need trick room

I 1 shot koraidon and water ogerpons

I’m climbing the ranks like crazy

[next stump]

the power of using strong teams

[strong marsh]

I’m just scared I might hit a road block

At ultra ball

[shadow wind]

Groudon is strong right?

[next stump]

you might, but that's the beauty of VGC

always something to get better at

[strong marsh]

When I reach master ball do I get a rank

[next stump]

yeah it will tell you your rank within master ball tier

probably somewhere between like 5000-10000th to start

[strong marsh]

Just reached great ball kinda nervous

[strong marsh]

Hariyama can use wide gaurd 6 times in a row

But when I use it once it fails

Wide gaurd is carrying this kid so hard

[next stump]

wide guard can never fail, but protect can

different types of moves in that regard

[strong marsh]

TOP 5000 baby

LETS GOO

[dense latch]

that was fast

congrats on master ball 🔥

[strong marsh]

RAHHHHHHH

IM FINALLY ONE OF YALL

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

keep it up

[shadow wind]

Waiting till I join the club 😔

Frick, my bad on the ping

I try to never ping on reply, I actually hate that feature so much

[upper quartz]

Sorry for the late reply. I want to use my koriadon and just another that pairs well with it

[dense latch]

the best koraidon partner at the moment is calyrex shadow

[brave hazel]

Banded jolly koraidon with fire terra & flairblits does like 700 dmg

Honestly a recking ball, even to other fire types

[solid frigate]

Singles moment

[brave hazel]

Yeah I only play singles

not a fan of doubles

[strong marsh]

Hi guys

[strong marsh]

Ig sableye is the new meta

[upper quartz]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

ryz12 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[upper quartz]

What banded jolly

[upper quartz]

How do I get calyrex

[lean ridge]

Either through trading or playing the sword and shield dlc

[dense latch]

lunala is also an option but it's slightly outdated as a duo in my opinion

[upper quartz]

All I have is Scarlett

[stone trellis]

Now you're above me in the rankings.

[strong marsh]

…

[stone trellis]

I have a tendency to get worse the more I try on the S/V ladder.

[strong marsh]

Dang

[knotty briar]

Any advice on Chien-pao EVs?

[molten oasis]

max attack max speed

4 in defense

[upper quartz]

What are everyone thoughts on Terapagos

[solid frigate]

the pokemon is somehow can be great but trash at the same time

[molten oasis]

the great but trash mon thats worse than kyogre

[solid frigate]

if its like Reg G then is better

but like barely better

[upper quartz]

Okay

I am new to this so I need to make a team

[waxen dock]

If you want to use archalodon you need to be a pro

It probably gets oneshoted by miraidon

[waxen dock]

Lunala is also good

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2406469634

No wonder i stray away from singles even tho i just recently play Randbats for both modes

[waxen dock]

I don't like randbats

[stone trellis]

The only attack which OHKOs AV Arch is Specs Draco, but that can always be solved by just giving it Sturdy or having another Pokemon that can take control of the terrain.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2406490328

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833

[upper quartz]

I finally have a team I am happy with

[solid frigate]

@stark kindle

we have bots here

[stone trellis]

What's the team?

[upper quartz]

I have Kyogre, Archaludon, Koriadon and Flutter Mane being the main 4. Then I have Gholdengo and Urshifu in case if I had to switch it up

[solid frigate]

oh god Kyogre and Korai in the same team why-

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-i-will-not-be-hearing-you-out-gif-10605797140088394224

[upper quartz]

I am not pairing them up

[solid frigate]

then what is the word being main 4

[upper quartz]

The order they are in is the order

Koriadon is going to be the last one out to avoid it being with kyogre

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/this-isnt-helping-jane-fonda-grace-hanson-grace-and-frankie-not-helping-gif-17593868

atp you probably run Snow+Rain

more than Sun and Rain

[knotty mirage]

I have seen kyogre and groudon at same team that's just how it is on ladder i guess

[solid frigate]

but thats with Primals lmao

[upper quartz]

@solid frigate why is that bad though

[knotty mirage]

Nah i seen it on SV cart ladder

[solid frigate]

why do you ever pair sun and Rain together on the same team-

it limits how you play the team,it limits how you manage your team

And both does not share majority of teammates besides Raging bolt

[knotty mirage]

Well there's walking wake who will work on both weather that is

[solid frigate]

if its Groudon that is cuz its a really good partner for it

but Koraidon doesn't really need Wake imo

[upper quartz]

For the first half of the battle I will have Kyogre paired with Archaludon and Flutter Mane with koriadon to switch it up

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough but it doesn't stop people to use both of them at same team anyway

[solid frigate]

thats like only 2 possible switch in if you keep Koraidon at the back and its more linear than some hyper offense comps

lemme ask you one more question before i leave

how long have you used it

[upper quartz]

Used it once and it works beautiful

[solid frigate]

once.

that is not enough to prove the team is working

[upper quartz]

It is about the trainer not all about the Pokemon. This strategy works for me

[solid frigate]

nah nah its about both

[upper quartz]

No not all the time. It is about strategy and your play style

[solid frigate]

this is the most anime protagonist ahhh wording

[upper quartz]

It not. But what I said is true

[solid frigate]

it genuinely is corny as fuck when i hear it lmao

Also this pairing is worse than Groudon Kyogre cuz Groudon does not need sun lmao

[upper quartz]

How do you know it doesn't work? It works for me

[solid frigate]

its 1 guy scenario which does not proof that data is going to be 100% guarantee for comparison

plus 1 match's data is not enough for making it work

+Its not just me,people across the community deemed it doesn't work

[upper quartz]

I actually don't give a fuck about your opinion

So please shut the fuck up

[solid frigate]

i'm just stating the truth

you can fuck with the team you want honestly

[upper quartz]

@solid frigate if it is so bad then you won't have a problem battling me then since they are so bad

[solid frigate]

i don't even need to fight you to prove it when SableyeVGC's Tier List does not even have it

[upper quartz]

Come on you scared that my shit team might be good

[solid frigate]

and there is ONLY 1 Showing in Brazil and its in bottom 10

[solid frigate]

i don't have to fight you nor scared of the duo

[upper quartz]

Then do it

[solid frigate]

you just don't worth my time to fight

like not even 1% of my day

[upper quartz]

You talk so much shit about it but you don't want to prove me wrong.

[foggy lodge]

Morris tf are you doing

[upper quartz]

Plus how do you know it doesn't work @solid frigate

[upper quartz]

Your friend is not happy that I use koriadon and Kyogre in the same team and is trying to prove me wrong.

I said he should battle me to prove me wrong

[stone trellis]

Okay.

Do you play on S/V or on Showdown?

I'm down for a battle if you're that adamant about it working.

[upper quartz]

I play on S

[upper quartz]

Yeah. I still want to get used to it

[stone trellis]

Alright then.

I will provide you with my full team paste and you will do the same.

It's not fair for me to know all the members of your team beforehand while you know nothing about mine.

[upper quartz]

Okay thanks

[gentle crag]

ryz12 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[upper quartz]

By the way only 2 of them are max level while the rest is between 32 being the lowest and 83 as the highest of the rest

[stone trellis]

That's fine by me.

They're all set to level 50 anyway.

[stone trellis]

Wait, you mean Scarlet or Showdown?

[upper quartz]

I am on Scarlett

[stone trellis]

Ah, shit.

I can't use my Switch today.

I'll be free tomorrow.

That just gives you more opportunities to develop a good plan against my team anyway.

[upper quartz]

Sorry I should have been more clearer

[stone trellis]

Check DMs.

[stone trellis]

Alright, his team is shit.

No Protects, sub-optimal moves on everything, imperfect stats, no natures...

I don't even blame him for that.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-dan-heng-hsr-honkai-hsr-agree-gif-9809975140703068906

[foggy lodge]

TOMORROW POKEMON PRESENTS

GIVE ME CHAMPIONS

[stone trellis]

One week before my birthday.

[solid frigate]

Maxi wanna do a bingo chart for that since we are doing watch party?

[stone trellis]

I would've felt kind of bad if it weren't for the fact that

1. I'm also a kid, so I don't have to worry too much about punching down
2. He was acting all smug and thinking that not one out of the hundreds of thousands of people who play this game has figured out that the two Pokemon together could be a good duo

[solid frigate]

the difference between you and him is that you at least you would learn

which is a massive improvement

[stone trellis]

I guess you're right.

[solid frigate]

but yeah even with optimal sets i don't think its gonna end well anyway

now that you proved it anyway

i guess i can do end scene for myself

[upper quartz]

@solid frigate I am sorry that i was being a little cunt when you clearly knew more. Sorry again

[next stump]

good morning everyone

22 hours until we hopefully get some VGC news

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-yamada-bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-explosion-gif-5660551996725584487

[daring merlin]

Can only hope!

[next stump]

🙏

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

bye

[bold geode]

[eager epoch]

What do we think of choice specs reshiram as a second restricted

[next stump]

pretty bad right now into the meta

[next pasture]

I'm making steps towards getting to Masterball tier in battle stadium singles rn
It's gonna take a while, but I wanna at least try to get there. What are some of the big threats that I should look out for in BS Singles in Reg I currently? From what I've seen, Pecharunt, Primarina, and (I think) Iron Crown are some of the threats I should look out for. But I could be wrong, being that I'm still learning things.

[next stump]

Most people here play double battles, but I’ll send a website that shows you usage rates for pokemon in BSS

[next pasture]

Many thanks 🙏

[next stump]

https://munchstats.com/gen9bssregi/1760/Incineroar

the pokémon on the left are listed in usage order

[next pasture]

Thank ya, I'll be sure to browse through this 👍

[next stump]

you’re welcome 🙂 good luck on your climb and post any questions you have in here

[eager epoch]

Any suggestions?

I have it with ancient power, fusion flare, Tera blast (Tera fairy) and Draco meteor

[waxen dock]

What time is the present?

[waxen dock]

What is the first?

[next stump]

9AM EST

[eager epoch]

Miraidon

[waxen dock]

For me the preant will be at 10 pm after a long flight so i will view it in the morning

[next stump]

hopefully you wake up to pokemon champions release date

[dense latch]

don’t use reshiram

it’s not good to begin with and there’s not any synergy with miraidon either

[eager epoch]

Any suggestions?

[dense latch]

calyrex ice
lunala

[eager epoch]

I wanna keep a mono dragon team

[dense latch]

oh

that changes things

can you get a koraidon

[eager epoch]

True

I’ve got scarlet

[dense latch]

the duo isn’t especially good but it’s the best you have for a mono dragon team

[strong marsh]

Alr

[waxen dock]

Took you a few hours to respond

[strong marsh]

I was sleep

I live in the us

[waxen dock]

Legit

Now im gonna sleep

[dense latch]

you need a lot of delusion too to try and forget how bad arch is in this format

[waxen dock]

I have 12 hour flight

[dense latch]

i don’t find much reason to handicap yourself using it unless there’s personal attachment

[next stump]

I think it had the biggest falloff of any Reg H strong mon

Basc, Ursa, Sneasler, etc. have all had good performances

[waxen dock]

Ursaluna bm had it too

[next stump]

Archaludon hasn't gone positive in one tournament

[dense latch]

poor gholdengo kingambit and arch

[waxen dock]

Also garchomp

[next stump]

oh yeah lol lemme check those pokemon

[eager epoch]

I could try kyurem white

[dense latch]

kyurem white is also pretty bad

[waxen dock]

Sneasler still see a little bit of usage

[next stump]

oh my GOD

hahaha

Gholdengo is flipping burgers

[dense latch]

that’s it?

wow

[next stump]

that is the entirety of its in person usage

[waxen dock]

I think they don't realise that they don't play singles

[dense latch]

half these teams don’t even have two restricteds

[waxen dock]

Because glim ghold is a singles dou

Duo

[dense latch]

more than half actually

[next stump]

zero garchomp teams

[dense latch]

kingambit made a day 2 at naic at least

[waxen dock]

Kingambit ghold gallade ursaluna bm garchomp all saw great usage during reg h now no one use them

[dense latch]

bloodmoon ursa is getting hard carried by the nielsen brothers

[waxen dock]

Who?

The denish player?

[next stump]

lmaoooo 3 best reults

results*

[waxen dock]

So yes the denish players

[dense latch]

frederik and nikolaj hoj nielsen

[dense latch]

yea

no idea how they make it work

[waxen dock]

I only remebred the one from utrech

Not hia brother

But they also use sneasler

[strong marsh]

Bro I hate when people leave battles

It’s so annoying

[next stump]

Dragonite only has 2 day 2's in reg I as well

[next stump]

it happens :/ sometimes its a rage quit

[strong marsh]

Then I get less score

[next stump]

you get the win if they do

[strong marsh]

Like brooooo

[next stump]

what do you mean score?

like rank points?

[copper token]

Yo does anyone wanna battle me in sv so I can see what changes I need to make to my team before I play ranked

[stone trellis]

I can't use my Switch right now, so no.

Unless you also have a copy of the team on Showdown, in which case I can definitely battle you.

[copper token]

I don’t have a copy

But thanks anyway

[next stump]

https://waitwhile.com/locations/pokemoncenterworlds2025/details?registration=booking

In case anyone is attending Worlds and wants to book a pokemon center visit

[strong marsh]

Top bottom 100 pokemon oats

Terapagos

[stone trellis]

What did bro do to you?

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I really hope CM CSR doesn’t make a return

[balmy glen]

too late

[shadow wind]

😔

I hated those teams so much in Reg G

Are they running Dkiss or just psychic still?

[real prairie]

Fucking hell thats soon

Thought we'd get through worlds first

[foggy lodge]

Dkiss

[bold geode]

Nah bro is into VGC Tiktok

[next stump]

god damn

[real prairie]

No time wasted

[stone trellis]

Holy stall man 😭
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2406790952-v281gic7nenjta58jtyfuivivnql5urpw

They REALLY wanted to let Smeargle click Spore and have Urshifu spam Sucker Punch.

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[cloud pelican]

Can anyone help me decide the last pokemon for a rain/hyper offensive team I have.
Archualadon
Goldengo
Urshifu(R)
Pelliper
Zacian

[dense latch]

singles or doubles?

[cloud pelican]

Doubles

Reg I

[dense latch]

why not kyogre over pelipper

both arch and gholdengo are also bad in this format

[cloud pelican]

Wait I'm stupid, you're totally right

Also what do I do over arch and goldengo

Sorry if I'm a little stupid I'm still trying to learn

[dense latch]

it’s all good lol we all start somewhere

gimme a sec to wrap smth up and ill try tk hekp

[cloud pelican]

Okay, thanks

[next stump]

this will give you an idea of strong zacian/kyogre teams

a lot of roaring moon for tailwind, urshifu to take advantage of the rain

[molten oasis]

Seems to be like

Zac ogre moon shifu amoonguss+1

[cloud pelican]

Alright

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/glitchy_potat/status/1947438113837461815

glitchyVGC (@glitchy_potat)

Pokémon Champions releases on Nintendo Switch and mobile devices after this presentation.

X · Jul 21, 2025, 11:26 PM

PLEASE POKEMON MAKE THIS HAPPEN

[cloud pelican]

One problem, after looking through my boxes I have discovered that I do not own a Kyogre.

[molten oasis]

[cloud pelican]

Can you get it from blueberry?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[cloud pelican]

I'll be back in ~an hour

[molten oasis]

You sure you wanna play zacogre?

[cloud pelican]

Also NINTENDO PLEASE BLESS US WITH CHAMPIONS.

[cloud pelican]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Mirai Lunala and CSR Zama are better duos, alright

Be prepared to miss

[cloud pelican]

Fair but I like rain teams, they've always been my favorite.

[molten oasis]

Fair

I did play zacogre but kyogre has treated me like crap so I stopped

[cloud pelican]

I'm moderately Lucky so we'll see what happens

Kyogre treat aquired

Acquired*

[foggy lodge]

Remember that the optimized Kyogre is 0 atk ivs

So if you want that you would have to reset a bit more

btw its wild that they released regional inscriptions when we don't even know if we will play SV or another thing

[cloud pelican]

Got him, forgot Abt resetting and saved right after =[

But alas we deal. I'll give it a -atk nature

[next stump]

PLEASE CHAMPIONS NEWS

[dense latch]

the dream

[dense latch]

kyogre zacian ursh amoonguss seems like a strong core to start off with

[cloud pelican]

Okay this is unconventional but would walking wake do anything?

Just as a dragon type attacker

Or nah since I have zacian to deal with other dragons

And roaring moon already.

[dense latch]

not really

wake is only rly useful with the proto boost imo

[cloud pelican]

And that would be better used on roaring moon right?

[dense latch]

yes

[cloud pelican]

K

[molten oasis]

zacogre wants tailwind

it always wants tailwind

[cloud pelican]

I'm searching for my amoongus now

[molten oasis]

because of kyogre

[cloud pelican]

That's why we have the roaring moon

[dense latch]

that’s true i shouldve probably included roaring moon there

[molten oasis]

zacogre amoonguss moon is the way to go

[cloud pelican]

We talked Abt it earlier so it was implied

[molten oasis]

shifu is really helpful but you can go lando there

[cloud pelican]

I cannot find this dang mushroom anywhere

[molten oasis]

and then i've seen bolt, hands, incin, ogerpon, and pao as other options

[cloud pelican]

I think for the final mon I'm going to do a niche pick

[molten oasis]

you're already playing zacian, i would not suggest that

[cloud pelican]

Not to niche just less samey

[cloud pelican]

Fair enough

Okay, the squad so far is:
Urshifu
Zacian
Kyogre
Roaring moon
Amoongus

Any ideas for the last mon.

[molten oasis]

.

hands and pao are the most common though

[cloud pelican]

Oh yeah I forgot Abt that

I could do incin and take advantage of amongus's regenerate

[foggy lodge]

I mean its Incin

[cloud pelican]

Or do ogrepon, wellspring/cornerstone

[molten oasis]

incin is incin

[foggy lodge]

But I would use Hands or Pao because otherwise the Miraidon MU seems abbysmal

[cloud pelican]

Incin IS incin

[molten oasis]

imo you do ogerpon over amoonguss, so generally i wouldnt suggest this

[cloud pelican]

Ah okay

So either incin or hands.

[molten oasis]

Its not that bad with zacian but incin makes things a lot harder.

and the fact mirai is paired with tr a lot doesn't help

[cloud pelican]

Okay, I'll go hands then

I'll do EV's then play test and come back with the results

But this is my first non rental team.

[dense latch]

i’d test it out in pokemon showdown first before going through the teambuilding process

[cloud pelican]

Good idea

[dense latch]

also lets you share the moves and items with us through pokepaste

[cloud pelican]

Okay

Hands item?

[molten oasis]

assault vest

[cloud pelican]

Jackie chan (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Surging Strikes
• Swords Dance
• Detect

Buddy-holly (Zacian-Crowned) @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Behemoth Blade
• Swords Dance
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

Mega salamance (Roaring Moon) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Acrobatics
• Tailwind
• Dragon Claw
• Dragon Dance

Overdone meme (Amoonguss) @ Leftovers
Ability: Effect Spore
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Pollen Puff
• Protect
• Rage Powder
• Spore

Emerald splash (Kyogre) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Ice Beam
• Origin Pulse
• Muddy Water
• Tera Blast

Boeing (Iron Hands) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Supercell Slam
• Drain Punch
• Fake Out
• Protect

[molten oasis]

pokepaste man

its a button on the bottom of the team screen

[cloud pelican]

Ohhhh

Sorry

[molten oasis]

all good

[cloud pelican]

https://pokepast.es/51e21fb1e4347532

[molten oasis]

play rough and behemoth blade on zac are required, roaring moon wants knock off and protect over dclaw and ddance, amoonguss would prefer rocky helm and tera water or dark, tera fire tera blast kyogre with specs is counterproductive, splash plate with spout and ice beam would be better, hands runs wild charge and low kick over supercell and protect, and give it assault vest.

hands also likes tera water or bug

grass is better on ogre

moon runs tera flying for acrobatics

[cloud pelican]

Okay

[molten oasis]

shifu should be on adamant nature, mence on jolly

[dense latch]

https://munchstats.com/ please use this for sets

[molten oasis]

ev's there

are usually okay to start

depending on the mon

[cloud pelican]

Is ev'ing roaring moon to get speed boosted with proto smart, or should I just go attack

[next stump]

you want booster speed for tailwind

[cloud pelican]

Okay

[waxen dock]

Its not that its smart its the meta

[stone trellis]

Yeah, every paradox Pokemon has a stat which it clearly needs to get a boost in.

[waxen dock]

I val speed i hands attack jugulis speed treads speed and the other aren't good enough

Also scream tail and flutter main speed

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown is the special case where both spa and Spe boosts are fine

same with Flutter

[thin fog]

hello i just started getting into vgc this year and joining local tours i wanted to bring this team i found in the repository 😮 can i get some insights? i usually go for hard tr teams but i usually chicken out in setting tr so using this one instead
https://pokepast.es/1bece38cbb1eb39c

[spiral ridge]

Chicken out?

This team seems like odd. Seems very lead dependent as it has little speed control besides TR which is only good on two moms and no other speed control. Most likely game plan is either fake out or helping hand lunar blessing mirai or caly and try to sweep

Gl vs whimsi tw encore

[stone trellis]

Who the hell runs Modest Flutter Mane?

I thought its whole point was that it's the ultimate speed control glass cannon, leaning more towards the "speed" aspect.

[solid frigate]

actually

There are a quite a few lmao

But in earlier Regulations SpA booster is fine

[waxen dock]

This team seems very fammiliar with me

Is that one of totw team?

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/a7f5eff11e85f622 is that your team?

[stone trellis]

The funniest thing would be if you replace CSR with CIR, because then you'd have an excuse to put Coaching on Sneasler.

[solid frigate]

yeah

[thin fog]

yeah like i feel like everyone can predict me setting it up lol

[thin fog]

yep!! i just borrowed it from the repo since i wanted to use cres

open to suggestions for the team thoo i usually like using ditto or lunala tbh

[solid frigate]

i think you can run Mirai CIR with Cress Ursa is probably fine

[upper quartz]

Yo @solid frigate. I have a question for you.

[thin fog]

alright thank you!! :>

[gentle crag]

aqueousbloop has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[upper quartz]

If I am going to be running a Shadow rider Calyrex, Koriadon and Flutter Mane what should be the 4th

[lofty tartan]

Proccing unburden on Sneasler with focus sash in a meta full of priority moves when you're running Miraidon and Electric Seed is right there is an absolutely bonkers idea.

Too many moving pieces.

Use poison touch or proc unburden more reliably without having to go to 1hp

Sneasler isn't even good for reg I anyway. Gets bullied by everyone

[solid frigate]

Hearth's or Wellspring's Utility is probably better anywayin that team

also you havve to force to run Gunk Shot cuz it you are using in Eterrain anyway

Miraidon limits 1/3 status conditions Dire claw has

[stone trellis]

Generally, aside from the two restricteds, you need two support Pokemon and two offensive pieces.

And a team has six Pokemon in total.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Sneasler just isn't the pick for this meta. It dies to a stiff breeze and Miraidon is counter-synergy

[solid frigate]

and its even worse when you are using on Non tera Mirai,Bolt or Ground types cuz they can't be para'd

[stone trellis]

I think adding Choice Scarf Chi-Yu as a more offensive Pokemon would be great.

[solid frigate]

if you are running outside Mirai then sure dire claw is better

[lofty tartan]

This.... Is incorrect? There's no set value of sweepers vs supports.

Many teams have one or no supports.

[stone trellis]

"Generally" is doing so much hard work for me here.

[lofty tartan]

I'd say it's doing everything except making a point

[stone trellis]

Oh well, slapping Chi-Yu on a sun team is a given.

[solid frigate]

actually my team has no chi yu but there is a chien Pao

[stone trellis]

Chien-Pao and Chi-Yu still hooping threes while Ting-Lu and Wo-Chien are flipping burgers:

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-three-over-curry-gif-21639235

[solid frigate]

the last 2 is kinda just preference but CSR Korai both likes Chien Pao if you are running Psyshock CSR

and yes i don't wanna run Geezing cuz i havve no knowledge using it

[stone trellis]

It's fine.

[upper quartz]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

Not a lot to know. Gas shuts off abilities. Pivot moves are strong. You get to do cute stuff like multi-proc intimidate.

Lots of people just throw Weezing out and ride him til he dies.

[solid frigate]

thats it-

[stone trellis]

Which makes it way easier to break through.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it was an example of what not to do

I thought that was implied.

[upper quartz]

I forgot who that Pokemon is

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-fishie-tiny-pokemon-gif-1712513170322551993

[lofty tartan]

Weezing has a target on him. Make people aim for it and make smart, proactive switches

[stone trellis]

This little fucker.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-landorus-landlos-tornadus-gif-16172877878845363419

lando moment

[stone trellis]

Lando my GOAT ❤️

[upper quartz]

Oh yeah

[lofty tartan]

I like Lando too but he's got 11% utilization. It's not like he's around the corner waiting to take your lunch money

Maybe he took today off from school.

His girlfriend goes to another school. You wouldn't know her

[solid frigate]

thats like gen 6-7 Lando

Gen 9 Lando is honestly way more forgiving after playing 2018 Format

[lofty tartan]

Lando himself didn't change except he was given a really good move this Gen.

It's the meta that changed around him.

[solid frigate]

yeah Gen 7 is way more limited

i have to use Milotic because of that-

[lofty tartan]

There's way more now that makes things tough, plus Tera.

A one time use get out of jail free button goes a long way to making things wonky

A la Shadow Rider.

Like Shadow Rider would be less problematic if it couldn't just ditch the dark weakness.

Same goes for everything else.

[stone trellis]

Same with Ice Rider, really.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that's why I said "same goes for everything else" because it's applicable to everything

But not everything is as format defining

Not by a long shot

[stone trellis]

I wonder how we'll be able to have Dynamax, Terastallization, Z-moves and Mega Evolution in one game.

Tera Flying Mega Rayquaza Max Airstream:

[lofty tartan]

I don't think we are gonna

We've seen Champions has Tera and Mega. Z-moves and Dynamax were absent

[stone trellis]

Yeah, they showed the most recent gimmick and the most popular one.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but you're talking about applying all gimmicks to one mon even

[stone trellis]

Oh well, we'll see in 2.5 hours.

[stone trellis]

It's a joke.

[lofty tartan]

I've seen more outrageous claims be entirely serious. I don't know you so I don't really know how you joke. Lol

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[solid frigate]

seen that before as well lol

[lofty tartan]

People be crazy

[solid frigate]

sometimes it can give me a headache

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2407094483-xpltdyxrdypjo1yj1a2xpxh4t49rt0ppw

Lmfaooooooooo

I was predicting the incineroar switch but this works out as well

[stone trellis]

CIR-Miraidon was the top restricted duo in the Smogon tour.

The world is finally healing ❤️‍🩹

[molten oasis]

I woke up 2 hours early

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-toy-story-sad-depressed-disappointed-gif-26035791

[solid frigate]

i woke up 7 hours early

[molten oasis]

Yea but I have plans all day I’m gonna be exhausted lmao

[solid frigate]

fair

i am still waiting

[stone trellis]

Can a Pokemon with Mold Breaker use Extreme Speed or any other priority attack when the opponent has Armor Tail active?

[jade dust]

Caly shadow is hated by everyone

That we all prefer Miraidon and the other caly to be at the top

I specifically hate the caly shadow with clafeble

[solid frigate]

i don't hate CSR tbf

[stone trellis]

I love both Calyrex forms.

I just hate CSR-Zamazenta specifically.

[jade dust]

I hate it with clafeble cuz trick room is my way to beat caly shadow

[solid frigate]

i think CIR is more balanced than the top 2 restricteds rn

[jade dust]

I honestly hate clafeble more than anything

[stone trellis]

Run Clefable yourself.

[jade dust]

Yeah cuz caly ice is slow, so you have opportunities to damage it before it attacks or to prevent trick room

[solid frigate]

not really because its slow

Its just a lot more counterplay and physical attacker syndrome

[jade dust]

Caly ice is still dangerous without trick room cuz it’s impossible for most things to OHKO it but it’s better to eat a glacial lance once that astral barrage always hitting you first

[knotty mirage]

Bruh i almost lost too a weakness policy chien pao i wonder how people can tolerate playing BSS

[stone trellis]

The one thing which reliably OHKOs it is Wicked Blow from Band Urshifu.

[jade dust]

Yeah tho clear amulet fixes a lot of issues, as well as tera fire

[stone trellis]

See?

[jade dust]

Immune to intimidate and burn

[stone trellis]

This guy gets it.

And Miraidon helps with the Amoonguss MU by just... disabling it.

[jade dust]

Not if they tera

[molten oasis]

And then it Tera’s

[jade dust]

If they don’t then yes

[molten oasis]

Which is what blows the calys out of the water

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it still does a lot if Urshifu is Tera Dark.

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 148-176 (71.4 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[jade dust]

Yes caly ice at least you can chip it down and remove it in 2 turns

Caly shadow is way more annoying

[stone trellis]

I don't really have a problem with CSR.

[jade dust]

I don’t as long as they don’t have Clafeble

Trick room is a safe way to beat caly shadow without clafeble

[molten oasis]

Are you talking about clefable or Clefairy?

[solid frigate]

either way both are dead

[molten oasis]

Clefairy is the usual partner, no morris Clefairy is coming back a bit

Clef CSR Mirai did well at that smogon tournament I think

[jade dust]

Clafairy yes

Both are same evolution line

[stone trellis]

I think it was Clefairy + CSR-Koraidon.

They placed ninth.

[molten oasis]

I hate Clefairy too but that feels like more of an extension of a hatred towards CSR, calys make this format worse

[molten oasis]

Oh I heard it was CSR Mirai my bad

[stone trellis]

Damn, the top 20 seems pretty stacked.

MDB, Federico, Marco Silva...

[jade dust]

I hate that Clefairy gets after you

Such a bullshit move

[molten oasis]

Eh, gives you a tr mu I see the value in it

[jade dust]

Like if follow me wasn’t enough

[stone trellis]

Imagine if a Pokemon with Prankster gained it.

[jade dust]

Pls no

[stone trellis]

Prankster Follow Me would be even funnier if the Pokemon is fast enough, because then it'd be able to redirect Fake Out from most things.

[jade dust]

If that was the case

Would they be blocked by armor tail?

Since they will attack with priority?

[stone trellis]

Good question.

[lost sun]

probably would

[jade dust]

Psychic terrain would block it tho

[stone trellis]

Oh well, that's why FirePon is my GOAT.

[stone trellis]

Give Follow Me and After You to Whimsicott.

[lost sun]

tr whims so I get -6 priority instead 🔥🔥

is it -5

[stone trellis]

No, it's -6 with Prankster.

[jade dust]

What

Isn’t it supposed to make it faster?

[lost sun]

tr is -7

[jade dust]

Ah

[stone trellis]

Anyway, I wonder if an ability that reversed the order of priority moves (not Protect, switching out or ability activation) for five turns would be broken.

[lost sun]

+7 tr would be crazy

[stone trellis]

Iron Hands when it can run +3 Focus Punch:

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-punch-onepiece-gif-11908462

It also makes Fake Out completely worthless.

[jade dust]

Drain punch is often weak and not worth using but iron hands has such high attack

That is worth using

[stone trellis]

FP is stronger than Low Kick.

[jade dust]

And electric terrain even stronger

[lost sun]

ain't it 150bp

[jade dust]

Iron hands has become one of my favorite mons

I never liked the grass monkey but playing MiraCIR made me hate it even more

[chrome knot]

we’re the opposite

vgc made me love rillaboom but hate iron hands lmao

[jade dust]

What did the fat sumo robot did to you?

[chrome knot]

annoying to deal with

[jade dust]

It’s fat yes

Deals a lot of damage too

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroad.pro/vr-anaheim-1/

[jade dust]

I never made a Dondozo team and I think I should have

[molten oasis]

[jade dust]

Dondozo is annoying to deal with for me sometimes but I like the concept a lot

It’s one of the few gimmicky mons that work

And it has a funny design that I like

[solid frigate]

where's my electric bike

[jade dust]

Here

https://pokepast.es/86a593fbe35bc552

[solid frigate]

not you

[jade dust]

Wait question

Why do I see that most Miracaly run screens and bulk

But no speed control

Most I see use Grimmsnarl

They lean on the leech seed caly ice

[solid frigate]

Thunder Wave and Trick Room:

Miraidon is an enabler here

[bold geode]

[waxen dock]

How many teams do you have?

[bold geode]

Chat I'm shakin ass to DJ Pikachu

[jade dust]

Well my record says I tend to use trick room teams a lot more

In regulation H I was using Armorouge Indeedee trick room

With Ursaluna and Amoonguss too

In reg G caly ice was the only restricted I used the whole season

In SwSh I was a caly ice main too

Idk why but I gravitate towards trick room all the time without intending to

[waxen dock]

Psychic types main

[next stump]

It’s very difficult to OHKO either of them behind screens

leech seed also synergizes well with screens

[stone trellis]

I hate Leech Seed because it's way too passive.

[next stump]

Also for your speed control question, Trick Room is the main speed control CIR wants. Investing enough speed to take advantage of tailwind means sacrificing bulk. which is usually not worth it outside of best of 1 play

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[jade dust]

I mean I run 0 speed on my caly ice

But I have a fast mode with iron bundle

After an icy wind, Miraidon and Ogerpon can outspeed most things

Caly shadow included

[next stump]

Oh I see, you’re saying which not a fast mode on those bulky Grimmsnarl teams

why not a fast mode*

[jade dust]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Ogerpon needs to get to around 148 to outspeed -1 CSR, right?

[jade dust]

No tail wind or icy wind

[next stump]

If you look at the EVs of those kinda teams, they’re so heavily invested in bulk which means as long as they’re behind screens, they’re trading positively

[jade dust]

150 speed evs I run on mine

[next stump]

For example, I don’t have a damage calc on hand but I bet Life Orb Astral does like 30-40% to max HP Miraidon behind Light Screen

but Electro Drift with Specs is an OHKO in return

Obviously most games with good players are more complex board states than that but that’s the theory behind no tailwind or anything

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to run one of the Grimmsnarl variants.

[jade dust]

What I’m starting to do against other miracaly teams is lead iron hands and miraidon and fake out volt switch on Grimmsnarl

That is a OHKO

And no screens went up

[stone trellis]

There's also the issue of Tera Ghost.

[next stump]

that’s usually the play, but a Landorus switch in is devastating which is what high level players will really consider

because protect + switch into Landorus is quite safe from there end unless you lock into Draco into a fairy type

[jade dust]

Well if they commit their tera means they can’t use it defensively elsewhere

So my Ogerpon can 2HKO caly ice

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

What's your team?

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/c774b52a583f58dc

[next stump]

do they usually bring like Grimm/CIR/Miraidon/Lando or Incin?

[jade dust]

Most of the time yes

Or iron hands

The biggest thread of their caly ice because I will lose the 1v1 with my own caly ice

If they have leech seed leftovers

[stone trellis]

Iron Hands' IVs are suboptimal, aren't they?

Nevermind.

[foggy lodge]

150 and 42 aren't ev values btw

[stone trellis]

Regardless, this shit is so gorgeous.

[jade dust]

So what are better values?

[stone trellis]

If only I had a Bundle with close to 0 Attack IVs.

[foggy lodge]

36 and 148 xd

You are wasting evs

[jade dust]

Ikr? I don’t waste time with stalling strategies

My way to play has always been to attack

[stone trellis]

And CIR is way too frail.

It needs to at least be capable of always living an Astral Barrage or an AV Electro Drift.

It's Calyrex Ice Rider, you don't need to invest that much into its Attack stat.

[jade dust]

Astral barrage always deals less than 50% when tera fire

[foggy lodge]

wdym av edrift

[stone trellis]

Specs Electro Drift always kills though.

[foggy lodge]

It always lives that it doesn't live specs edrift

Unless tera electric I think

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 201-237 (97.1 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

But the tera electric boost is weaker than the specs boost

[jade dust]

I want to be able to pick OHKO on things like Incineroar