competitive_discussion

[knotty mirage]

Mind eye my beloved

[solid frigate]

i kinda did not bother use BM Ursa cuz it does help me on certain cases like CSR MU but as a offensive Firepower,not really in general,Regular Ursaluna is better in that case

[knotty mirage]

I prefer BM ursa more because i just can't be bothered to use something that need to worry about intimidate especially when it can't hold clear amulet or don't care much about attack drop like urshifu

[solid frigate]

i mean for is like

Either Urshifu Water or Ursaluna

pick your posion

[chilly anvil]

What is the best Enamorus build in vgc?

[boreal abyss]

Hi! I've taken a break from vgc for months. Are the calyrexs still the metas?

[ocean pawn]

Have I cooked?

https://pokepast.es/58d483a820372e55

[stone trellis]

CSR is the second best restricted and CIR is the third best, so yeah.

And they both have a real chance to be on the restricted duo that wins Worlds.

[stone trellis]

Definitely.

[boreal abyss]

who's the first best rn?

[stone trellis]

Miraidon.

Without a question.

[boreal abyss]

do you have a team with miraidon in it? I wanna try it

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I got a Miraidon-CIR team.

I'll give you an analysis of the whole team in DMs as well.

Mainly because I don't want to flood chat here.

[boreal abyss]

Thank you so much! I'd really appreciate this

[gentle crag]

brook00882 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[solid frigate]

Not the best set but i think this can be interesting

Springtide Storm,Earth Power,Tera Blast,protect
Tera Stellar Life Orb

[chilly anvil]

Springtide is better than Dazzling?
My set rn is protect dazzling mystical fire Tera blast

Is the 80 accuracy worth it for the boost of power and secondary effect?

I know that Mystical Fire can be crippling against special attackers

[solid frigate]

you are not tied to be in a rain team anyway

• dgleam is way too inconsistent on getting kills as well

[chilly anvil]

And what about mystical fire

[stone trellis]

Springtide doesn't gain perfect accuracy in rain anyways.

[solid frigate]

thats why it does not tie to rain

[solid frigate]

not worth it when Ground Fairy Coverage is just so fucking good

[chilly anvil]

Oh okay

[solid frigate]

+Fire types would wall Enamourus

monke aren't you suppose to be sleeping

or is it morning

[waxen dock]

im cooked on r1 of the tour

i think im against dolarmonke

[dense latch]

my opponent is offline lmao

[misty helm]

So what’s a better move than crunch on zamazenta I feel like that’s the only flaw in my set now

I have body press, behemoth bash, crunch, and iron defense

[bold geode]

Oh was that you?

[waxen dock]

is your name dollarmonke on smogon?

[bold geode]

Yup

[bold geode]

Probably Protect or like
Snarl could be used as well

[misty helm]

I’ll go for snarl because protect doesn’t have much use in singles

[bold geode]

Fair

[misty helm]

Do you think a fear lycanroc could see some success

[bold geode]

Nah

@balmy glen how we doin

[balmy glen]

tour is just like

taking to long lmao

[chrome knot]

faster than cart btw

[bold geode]

Frfr

And you said imma get in 5

It's ok
I'm not working outside so imma have my shit open at work LMAO

[bold geode]

Issue is they have to plug in everything manually

@chrome knot @balmy glen help I was paired into Kelsch

[dense latch]

no way

[chrome knot]

cool

im playing bowser castle :3

[tranquil kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrLxJrtcX0

enjoy

[dense latch]

i'm 2-0 in the smogon tour

volc is the goat

[bold geode]

I got my ass kicked LMAO

[waxen dock]

at least you won against me

[bold geode]

Yeah
Played really good btw

[waxen dock]

did you win r2?

[waxen dock]

the av bolt really made the mu harder for me

[bold geode]

Oh no, I got paired into Michael Kelsch R2 and got wiped
By far one of the strongest people I've went up against

[bold geode]

Also yeah I keep it there for like that but usually that MU isn't like hard at all but you actually made it VERY difficult, I was thinking hard bro

[waxen dock]

in the 3rd game i did a really big misplay by not killing the calyrex

[bold geode]

Kinda yeah
But in that set, I really was going after killing the Amoonguss

[balmy glen]

I’m so bored

I have somewhere to be later

everyone in the staff except like one guy wanted this to be on limitless I feel bad

[waxen dock]

there is r3 now

btw what is your score?

[balmy glen]

1-1 I feel asleep and took a game loss

[misty helm]

even defense stats are okay if the Pokemon is a bulky attacker right?

[bold geode]

Damn

So many people have dropped

[foggy lodge]

I think I'm fighting Sanvy on cart ladder lmao

[misty helm]

is it important to make defenses even on bulky Pokemon or no

[foggy lodge]

No

[misty helm]

is it okay to do that with bulky Pokemon

[foggy lodge]

No

[misty helm]

so specialize in a certain defense stat is what you recommend

[waxen dock]

I just lost r3 because i made really dumb plays

i could have won it easily

[dense latch]

3-0 LETS GO

[strong marsh]

Hi

[strong marsh]

I’ve just been going against uber spammers

But I’ve reached ultra ball

Is that good?

[waxen dock]

reach master

[strong marsh]

Ok

[waxen dock]

and how is that related to what i said?

[strong marsh]

It’s not sorry

[waxen dock]

what is an uber spammer?

there is vgc and smogon

[strong marsh]

I thought Uber meant legendary spammer

The people I were fighting literally only used legendaries

[dense latch]

welcome to vgc

[foggy lodge]

LEGENDARIES IN THE FORMAT WHERE EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND LEGENDARIES WHAT

[strong marsh]

😭

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-shocked-shock-shocked-meme-gif-8910406893424234862

[waxen dock]

then he is probably dumb only legendaries is never good

but 5 legendaries is good

[strong marsh]

I shat on him

[foggy lodge]

True slap an Incin

[waxen dock]

the only thing that is special to legendaries is that they have more bst

[strong marsh]

What’s that (still new)

[waxen dock]

whats what?

[dense latch]

base stat total

[strong marsh]

Oh base stat total

[misty helm]

but should I remove bulk in certain defenses an replace it with hp

[strong marsh]

But one of them literally had landorus and tornadus

And it was so annoying

[waxen dock]

very good pair

torn have tailwind and rain dance and lando can use sansear that cant miss in rain and be faster than miraidon

[strong marsh]

Why do people use zamazenta and koraidon as a duo

[misty helm]

how should I be training my bulky sets

[strong marsh]

I’ve seen multiple times

[waxen dock]

low ladder

[foggy lodge]

nah that duo is bad

[strong marsh]

What is that

[foggy lodge]

Really bad

[waxen dock]

bad players

[dense latch]

when you're low in the rankings

[waxen dock]

kind of

[dense latch]

you're gonna face worse players and worse duos

[strong marsh]

I use armoruge and indeedee then I use expanding smth

[waxen dock]

psyspam tr?

[strong marsh]

While my indeedee has psychic terrain

[waxen dock]

what are your restricteds?

[strong marsh]

I just do the normal ranked system

[dense latch]

just use lunala

armarouge is ass

[strong marsh]

I’m too broke to get one unfortunately

[waxen dock]

or necrozma

[strong marsh]

I’m also too broke to get that

[waxen dock]

home gts is a thing

[strong marsh]

Gts?

😭 I have so much to learn bro

[misty helm]

what is the protocol for ev training bulky Pokemon

[dense latch]

that's not competitive related but it's just a trading hub in pokemon home

[waxen dock]

just invest in bulk and use some optimnized hp for lorb and grassy terrsin

[strong marsh]

This my ogerpon stats

I use it to do follow me while either flutter mane or incin do damage

[waxen dock]

ok moveset trash ivs and evs

[dense latch]

change that set

[foggy lodge]

Damage Incin?

[dense latch]

drop swords dance for spiky shield

[foggy lodge]

It should be the other way lol

[waxen dock]

if you want damage use chi yu

[dense latch]

and trailblaze for horn leech/wood hammer/taunt/encore

[waxen dock]

incin is for defence

[waxen dock]

p whip is also good

[strong marsh]

I see

[misty helm]

so min max hp

[strong marsh]

Idk what I’m doing

I thought it was good

It was working

[waxen dock]

just search spreads online

[waxen dock]

because you are against low ladder

[strong marsh]

It’s impish

Is that good?

[foggy lodge]

Damage calculator is a thing btw

[strong marsh]

I didn’t know

This my indeedee

For indeedee

[waxen dock]

dont send the stat send the i/evs

[misty helm]

I don't know what I should be calculating against

[strong marsh]

How do i get to that

[waxen dock]

raw stat doesn't mean anything

unless you play the game itself

[dense latch]

how did you ev train your pokemon

[strong marsh]

…..bottlecaps

[dense latch]

you can also go on showdown and plug in the stats to see the evs

[dense latch]

ev not iv

[waxen dock]

that is ivs....

he meant evs

[strong marsh]

Oh

My friend just told me to use bottle caps

[dense latch]

https://www.vgcguide.com/base-stats

[strong marsh]

I didn’t train evs

Let me read that first

[dense latch]

https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-1-how-to-make-simple-ev-spreads

you need vitamins
protein, calcium, zinc, etc

each give 10 evs

[strong marsh]

I have that

So do I do it on defense and hp for indeedee

[waxen dock]

maybe use max max

[strong marsh]

Ok

Max max for hp and defense

What abt sp defense

[dense latch]

just 4 evs

your pokemon only have 508 evs

[strong marsh]

So evs are the items that upgrade a base stat point of a pokemon

[dense latch]

Each Pokémon can then be “trained” in its stats, just like dogs can be trained to be more agile or quick (last time for the dogs metaphor, we promise!) Practically speaking, a Pokémon can have a maximum of 510 EVs, or “effort values”, that can be allocated between its stats. At Level 100 (which we don’t use in VGC), 4 EVs equals one stat point. At Level 50, the first 4 EVs equals one stat point, and then every 8 after that equals one more. A stat can have a maximum of 252 EVs in it before you can’t put any more into it (practically speaking-- it goes up to 255 in game, but that will never get you a stat point).

EVs are the highest level of customization and variability that Pokémon allows, and it can be overwhelming to know how to apply them to your Pokémon. For some beginner-friendly information, click here. To learn how to apply EVs to your Pokémon in Pokémon Sword and Shield, click here.

[dense latch]

vitamins are items that give EVs

[strong marsh]

OK

I understand

So if I use zinc the pokemon will gain 4 evs

[dense latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1LHlMOPqa4&list=PLE4TNcJ348GI6yY-hnwjlos4JycAUfPDx&index=3&ab_channel=TheDelybird

[waxen dock]

10

[dense latch]

have you maxed out hp and defense already

[waxen dock]

not 4

[strong marsh]

Wait I’m doing it

[dense latch]

max out hp and defense first

26 hp up and 26 iron

or 25 vitamins + 2 feathers

[waxen dock]

yes

i use 25 vitamins and 2 featers when im ev train

[waxen dock]

and make sure your pokemon isn't already trained

[waxen dock]

what level is the deedee?

[strong marsh]

100

[waxen dock]

it should be 344 hp and 251 def

[strong marsh]

I got 344 hp

I’m getting defense rn

[dense latch]

you should probably give your indeedee a bold mint too

[strong marsh]

It’s only 319 hp

I can’t increase it

[stone trellis]

How is it both 344 and 319?

[strong marsh]

I thought it was it’s not

😭

Now what

[waxen dock]

you didn't do that did you?

[stone trellis]

Have you beaten the DLC yet?

[strong marsh]

No

[dense latch]

are your HP IVs maxed?

[strong marsh]

I didn’t beat the dlc I don’t have that

[waxen dock]

next time you should

[strong marsh]

Yea

[dense latch]

make sure when you use Judge in the boxes it says Best

[waxen dock]

just use berries

[dense latch]

your indeedee might've gained some evs without you realizing

[stone trellis]

If you do end up getting the DLC, there's this minigame called Ogre Oustin'.

[strong marsh]

HP says hypertrained

Defense says best

Attack says best let me lower it

[daring merlin]

How do you all go about farming Blissy event? Do online with people or just fly around the map to them?

[dense latch]

you cant lower IVs

[strong marsh]

Berrie

[dense latch]

the judge option shows IVs not EVs

[dense latch]

that's EVs

[strong marsh]

Yes can’t I lower it

And put it to another stat

[stone trellis]

Every time you beat the minigame, you earn some items called Mochi. They act exactly like vitamins, except for the Fresh Start Mochi which resets all your EVs back to 0.

[dense latch]

you can lower EVs yes but the Judge option doesn't show EVs

[dense latch]

you have around 44 evs in attack

max out your special attack stat IV

and speed

[strong marsh]

Ok

[stone trellis]

I strongly suggest you get the Teal Mask DLC just so you can farm Mochi and be able to fix any errors in your EV spreads.

Teal Mask alone only costs like what, 15.99?

[strong marsh]

How do I max IVS

[dense latch]

bottle caps

[strong marsh]

I’m 15

[stone trellis]

There are these items called Bottle Caps.

[strong marsh]

I can’t afford that

[stone trellis]

So am I.

My dad bought the DLC for me.

[strong marsh]

And I wanna buy pokemon shield

So I can do dynamax adventures

[stone trellis]

Alright.

[strong marsh]

Now what

[stone trellis]

I'll trade you my own Indeedee when I get back home.

It is optimal for competitive anyway.

[dense latch]

what are your stats

[strong marsh]

Those are the stats right

[dense latch]

this is what your evs are

[stone trellis]

He has imperfect IVs, so no.

[dense latch]

use 5 berries to lower attack, 2 to lower special attack and 1 to lower speed

[dense latch]

no he does not
he just hypertrained them all

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[stone trellis]

Since when do Berries do that?

[strong marsh]

These are the stats now is it good?

[dense latch]

since like pokemon emerald

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're good.

[strong marsh]

Alr

[stone trellis]

Which ones?

[dense latch]

special defense should be lower

[strong marsh]

Idk what to do with ogerpon

[strong marsh]

How low

[dense latch]

kelpsy, pomeg, and some others i don't remember them off the top of my head

[stone trellis]

Great.

[dense latch]

and your hp isn't maxed yet either

[strong marsh]

It is

[dense latch]

it's not bc there's some spdef evs still

it should be 344 HP

[strong marsh]

Ok

How much grepa berries do I. Use

[dense latch]

should be 4

however much it lets you

[dense latch]

ok nice

now just give your indeedee 1 zinc and you're set

next time you EV train make sure to feed your pokemon some berries until it says the stat can't go any lower to guarantee you're starting off fresh

[strong marsh]

Ok

Idk how to do ogerpon

[dense latch]

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 124 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield
• Horn Leech

this is an alright spread

[strong marsh]

Alr let me do this

I’ll try to do it I’ll show u what I’ve done

[dense latch]

do you have feathers

muscle, health, etc.

[strong marsh]

Yea

My ogerpon has 305 hp

[dense latch]

shit

[molten oasis]

lmao

[strong marsh]

This is where I’m at I lowered all its stats to the best of my ability

What do I do next

Where do I buy bottle caps

[stone trellis]

You can earn them from Tera Raids or get them from the Delibird stores.

There is a Delibird store in Mesagoza, one in Cascaraffa and one in Levincia.

[waxen dock]

somehow im still in the tournament

[strong marsh]

What’s the max hp for this spread

[strong marsh]

This

[lost sun]

how did my astral barrage miss a giratina with no changes to accuracy or evasion

[next stump]

bright powder?

[dense latch]

lost to mdb, took him to game 3 tho

made a bad read turn 1, terad my urshifu and lost it to aqua jet volt switch

[next stump]

insane that 2 people here had to play him lmao

nice job tho 🙂

[dense latch]

yea lol

nerves got to me and accidentally switched in my miraidon into a glacial

[strong marsh]

Can someone tell me what the max hp of this stat spread would be if my pokemon was level 100

[dense latch]

364

[strong marsh]

Thanks

[strong marsh]

How did you figure this out

[dense latch]

pokemon showdown

[strong marsh]

can you send me the link

[bold geode]

You too?

[dense latch]

yep

[dense latch]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[strong marsh]

Ty

[dense latch]

lost g1 and g3 off one bad turn but won g2

so i'll take it

[bold geode]

Damn I didn't even get a game off him

There was no holes

[dense latch]

i was his first game loss in the tour lol

[bold geode]

Damn

[dense latch]

he's so fucking good it's not even fair

[bold geode]

Yeah no I knew he was good but DAYUM

[left bobcat]

WHOS ON TOUR?

[bold geode]

Anyways
I'm 2-2 rn
Regardless if I make Day 2 or not, I can't really be mad at myself

[molten oasis]

you also fought him? nice

[bold geode]

Yeah I got swept LMAO

[dense latch]

his line into csr zama is just way too good i havent seen him lose that mu on stream

im playing his team but volc over lando

[bold geode]

Damn frfr yeah he did very well over jt

[dense latch]

played the full mirror in the game tho

so it kinda came down to the leads

[strong marsh]

Chat is this the spread?

[misty helm]

so I'm looking at smogon's offensive gator set for skeledirge one of the moves it recommended was tera blast which would wind up being either fairy or water depending on your preference is alluring voice a better option than fairy tera blast

[bold geode]

But yeah I was also tryna find a singular hole to get me back but there just wasn't any

[bold geode]

Brother
We need a paste lol

[dense latch]

have you maxed out your IVs? all of these but hp are too low

[bold geode]

Idek what Pokemon this is

[strong marsh]

I think so

[dense latch]

waterpon

[strong marsh]

I did

[bold geode]

Oh I got names mixed up

[strong marsh]

All my ivs max

[bold geode]

Jarvis, teach this dude how to upload a paste

[dense latch]

they should be what the numbers at the right show

[misty helm]

is alluring voice better than fairy tera blast

[bold geode]

Meh you can try it I guess

[dense latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJQsZrHgL14&t=33s&ab_channel=TheDelybird @strong marsh pls watch this video

you'll need to get used to this

[misty helm]

that set recommended 252 hp and special attack and 4 in speed

[tiny karma]

Move: Alluring Voice

Has a 100% chance to confuse the target if it had a stat stage raised this turn.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

what happened to sableyebot

[strong marsh]

Perfected it

I figured out how to use feathers

[stone trellis]

You're only a single point off on the Defense.

Everything else is good though.

[strong marsh]

Alr

So 4 more feather

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[misty helm]

did the bot do that without being asked

[strong marsh]

It’s perfect

Lets goo

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[molten oasis]

my internet died'

[strong marsh]

Paul

Can we 1v1

I’m still tryna get used to this

[stone trellis]

On Showdown or in S/V?

[strong marsh]

S/V

[stone trellis]

Alright, give me a minute.

[strong marsh]

lets goo

[stone trellis]

I'll use one of my old rentals since my current team is still unfinished.

Double battles, right?

[left bobcat]

After 20 years in

NO MORE

[copper token]

I’ve been trying to make a team with farigiraf but idk what speed ivs or evs I should do bc I want to it to be quick in trick room but also quicker that Pokemon like incineroar out of trick room

Does anyone know what I should do

[lost sun]

no

nvm I figured it out now it used shadow force the move before

just doesn't show on sd

[stone trellis]

Farigiraf and Incineroar tend to speed tie because they both have base 60 Speed.

[copper token]

So what do u think?

[left bobcat]

Speaking of which I haven’t seen any farig in a minute

[lean ridge]

Kinda just depends how fast ur incin is

[lost sun]

neither have I

[foggy lodge]

It has dropped in usage

[left bobcat]

Like a LOT

[stone trellis]

So the best thing you can do is find how many Speed EVs Incin tends to spend and give Farigiraf just enough to outspeed it.

[lost sun]

farig feels too frail

[left bobcat]

Really?

[copper token]

Yeah I’m thinking of making a kyogre team and farigiraf prevents grassy glide, thunder clap and fake out

[copper token]

Alr thank u

[gentle crag]

zawg7726 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[lost sun]

to me it does

[left bobcat]

Isn’t indeedee also suited?

[lost sun]

could be cus I didn't use eseed

[left bobcat]

I’ve seen Kyogre teams and they mostly use indeedee to cover that

[copper token]

Yeah but I don’t like how the terrain is only 5 turns

[stone trellis]

It works really well for me because a lot of my opponents tend to lead with Pokemon that have Fake Out pressure and being able to disable that without getting into terrain wars is really useful.

[copper token]

All it takes is a rillaboom switching in

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee is the one that completely dissapeared lol

[left bobcat]

Run away 🏃🏽💨

[stone trellis]

And it allows my Miraidon to run at full power, which isn't something that could happen if I replaced it with Indeedee.

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee only exists on hard TR teams now

[copper token]

That sounds good

[left bobcat]

Really? I’ve seen more indeedee than I have farig

[foggy lodge]

That's just your weird ladder experience

[copper token]

And another question should I even do tr?

[lost sun]

6.8 and 5.5% for the both of them

[left bobcat]

I haven’t played the ladder I’ve been watching

[lost sun]

in usage

[misty helm]

is psychic noise better in tandem with liquid voice or is hyper voice better

[stone trellis]

What restricteds are you using?

[left bobcat]

Miraidon

[copper token]

Not too sure on the 2nd one yet but I’m leaning towards kyogre

[lost sun]

if tr gets set up and u don't have tr on any Mon u just gonna have to stall it or have smth like Amoonguss, hands , ursa

[stone trellis]

Kyogre and who else, Miraidon?

[foggy lodge]

Kyogre CIR w Farigiraf

[lost sun]

I'm using kyogre cir

[copper token]

I could run miraidon

Alr

[lost sun]

is sword fish still viable

[foggy lodge]

Ig

[strong marsh]

Paul

[foggy lodge]

Tho not playing a horse or Miraidon is kind of a throw imo

[strong marsh]

U ready

[lost sun]

fr

[stone trellis]

The Link Code is 2907 2009.

[left bobcat]

OOO they gonna throw hands

My money is on PAUL

[copper token]

Same

[stone trellis]

I have a track record of losing miserably.

[left bobcat]

I’m betting 50 cent cuz I’m broke

[strong marsh]

Which one doubles?

[lost sun]

I'll bet a penny

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[strong marsh]

I’m searching

I’m boutta loose so hard

[lost sun]

tighten up

[misty helm]

is it recommended that I use water type psychic noise or water type hyper voice

[left bobcat]

Tidy up

[stone trellis]

You're lolbad, right?

[strong marsh]

😭 first Match with a pro kinda nervous

[lost sun]

hyper voice

[stone trellis]

I am SHIT at the game.

[left bobcat]

IM PUTTING 50 cent on this

[strong marsh]

Yea

[foggy lodge]

lmfao

[lost sun]

what did 50 cent do 🥀🥀

[stone trellis]

Could you like, allow special Pokemon?

[strong marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-ch-4-gerson-gif-9095389302995911656

[left bobcat]

Gum from a gumball machine

[copper token]

Do u guys think rillaboom, incineroar, urshifu s,farigiraf, kyogre and cir sounds good for a team

[strong marsh]

Oh sorry

I put official battle rules 1

[stone trellis]

It's fine.

[left bobcat]

Hmmm is it a TR team?

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss is better

[left bobcat]

Iron ball Kyogre?

[strong marsh]

😭

[foggy lodge]

Rain solves like all of Amoonguss's problems

[strong marsh]

I already completed I can’t change

[copper token]

I think it will be

[copper token]

Ok

[stone trellis]

I'll just back out and you'll challenge me again.

[strong marsh]

Ok

[left bobcat]

Probably switch out rilla for Amoongus

[strong marsh]

Tell me which one to pick ok

[lost sun]

letting miraidon keep terrain wouldnt be good tho

[strong marsh]

I picked normal

[foggy lodge]

You survive it

Amoonguss CIR are your answer to it

[copper token]

I was thinking this too it cancels psychic terrain too

[strong marsh]

I’m boutta kick logic out and do the impossible trust

[left bobcat]

Then again double fake out isn’t bad

[stone trellis]

Good luck and have fun.

[lost sun]

fake out

[foggy lodge]

Protect protect lol

[balmy glen]

I wanted to go hoop so I did also

lmao

[lost sun]

2nd turn fake out 🙏🙏

[strong marsh]

I hope we have a rlly good match

I’m prolly gonna lose horribly

[stone trellis]

Yeah, especially since you don't have any restricteds.

[strong marsh]

😭

[stone trellis]

You're nerfing yourself, man.

[strong marsh]

Idk what I’m doing tbh

[stone trellis]

I'm already punching down, but this just feels wrong.

[copper token]

Before I start building the team does anyone have a farigiraf team they could slip me the code so I can try out this kind of team before I invest in building it

[left bobcat]

WAIT WHOS LOSING?

[strong marsh]

We just started

[left bobcat]

oh

[strong marsh]

Oh my goodness

😭

[stone trellis]

I'm so sorry, brother.

[strong marsh]

NOO

[left bobcat]

Damn

YESSSSS PAUL WON phew

[strong marsh]

no

We not done

[left bobcat]

Uh oh

[strong marsh]

He lowered my attack by allot

[left bobcat]

Damn wtf did bro do

[copper token]

Are u guys going by reg I rules?

[strong marsh]

Normal

[stone trellis]

I am, he isn't.

[left bobcat]

Don’t tell me intimidate and parting shot?

[copper token]

Ok

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm using AV Incin.

[left bobcat]

Oh

[strong marsh]

I have a incin but idk what ivs and moves is good for my team

I’m so trash

[left bobcat]

Well fake is a must

[strong marsh]

YOO

[stone trellis]

Who disconnected?

[strong marsh]

It said software closed

[left bobcat]

LALALALALAALA AINT NO WAYYYY 💀

[strong marsh]

Idk why it closed it I swear I didn’t do shit

[stone trellis]

It crashed.

[strong marsh]

I was literally tryna pick ivy cudgel

😭

[left bobcat]

Soooo does this mean? Do I keep my 50 cent?

[strong marsh]

No

It’s still on the line

[stone trellis]

No, we'll do a rematch in half an hour.

I need to go eat dinner.

[strong marsh]

Let me prep

Alr

GUYS HELP ME IDK WHAT TO DO WITH INCIN

[left bobcat]

DAMN IT DO NOT MAKE ME BATTLE

Nah I’m jk my switch is a goner which is why I haven’t been playing

[strong marsh]

HELP

[left bobcat]

What is that?

[strong marsh]

THATS MY INCIN STATS AM I COOKED

[foggy lodge]

Those flare blitz are doing crazy damage

[left bobcat]

Why does it have some speed?

[strong marsh]

Idk

I need help

[left bobcat]

Hmmm it looks like a jolly nature

[bold geode]

LMAO
We ballin

[left bobcat]

LETTUCE CHANGE IT TOOOO UHHHHH CAREFUL NATURE

[strong marsh]

Can u give me a incin spread

[left bobcat]

careful nature is +special def and -special attack right?

[bold geode]

Yeah

[left bobcat]

I kinda forgot my natures since it’s been so long since I played

[bold geode]

My go to is like
236/4/68/0/156/44 with Careful

[left bobcat]

CAREFUL NATURE IT IS

[bold geode]

Unless what item is it

[strong marsh]

With moves

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmm I say assault vest orrrrrrrr hmmm

[bold geode]

I do Goggles

[strong marsh]

Like this

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmmm I heard incins don’t do sitrus berries anymore

[foggy lodge]

Like since a year ago

[left bobcat]

Yeah goggles or assault vest

Or even Rocky helmet

[copper token]

Guys is the next regulation still gonna be double restricted?

[next stump]

unknown, we get the announcement on the 31st

[copper token]

Alr

[strong marsh]

@bold geode you making it?

[bold geode]

I'm busy at the second, later

Also goated image

[stone trellis]

I'm here.

@strong marsh How's the team going?

I'll decide the battle rules this time, if you don't mind.

[dense latch]

monke how'd your r5 go

[stone trellis]

@strong marsh You only have 5 minutes left.

[strong marsh]

I didn’t do anything

They haven’t sent a incin build yet

And I’m eating

[stone trellis]

Alright.

[strong marsh]

Do u have any incin builds

[stone trellis]

I'll wait until you're ready in that case.

I do.

[strong marsh]

May I have

How do I feed my pokemon

[stone trellis]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

[stone trellis]

What do you mean?

[strong marsh]

Ogerpon looks like she’s hungry

How do I feed her

[stone trellis]

Are you in a picnic right now?

[strong marsh]

No

[bold geode]

Welp
I'm out

[stone trellis]

You can't exactly feed your Pokemon.

[stone trellis]

Yeah, this battle won't be fair for him anyway.

[bold geode]

@next stump would I have been the asshole if I brought up to judges about my opponent DCing after telling em I would be patient if they did

[strong marsh]

Why do I have non of those moves

[stone trellis]

Which moves?

[strong marsh]

All of them

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[strong marsh]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

[stone trellis]

I'll trade you my Incineroar who should have all of them.

[strong marsh]

Ok

Code?

[stone trellis]

Always the same.

[copper token]

Is this the same build as Wolfe Glick’s mystery gift one?

[strong marsh]

It’s searching

[stone trellis]

Actually, the spread that this Incineroar has right now is 228 HP / 4 Atk / 148 Def / 124 SpD / 4 Spe.

The moves, ability and Tera Type are still the same though.

[strong marsh]

I watch wolfie

He’s the goat

[copper token]

Real

[stone trellis]

You can keep the Incin.

[stone trellis]

He is.

[copper token]

Is it his incineroar tho

[stone trellis]

No.

[copper token]

Ok

[strong marsh]

Wait Paul

[stone trellis]

Yeah?

[strong marsh]

I’m searching for a shiny to give u

Accept it

[next stump]

like DCing mid game?

[bold geode]

Yes repeatedly
So here's the situation

Smogon tour on SD right

They message me and say they're on a train so they might have connection issues

I'm like "it's fine"
He was disconnected across the set for like at least a collective of 15 minutes

[copper token]

Paul u know what u said about farigiraf and checking the average incin speed investment, how would i go about doing that

[bold geode]

But I didn't say anything cuz I was like "I don't wanna be an asshole"

[strong marsh]

Paul urs is amazing compared to mine

What should I switch out for armoruge

[next stump]

never feel like you're the asshole, rules are rules

i'm sure there is something against DCing

[stone trellis]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/ has many VGC Reg I spreads for Pokemon, so you can just use that as a point of reference.

[copper token]

Ok thanks again

[next stump]

https://statcrusher.com/

check out this site too, it's a bit overwhelming but good for speed stats

[bold geode]

Ok so basically I should've said fuck my moral compass there LMAO

[strong marsh]

Paul what should I switch out for armoruge

[bold geode]

Oh that's gonna haunt me
Oh well I did it to myself

[stone trellis]

What is your team right now?

[bold geode]

It was double dog anyways, I had like no MU LMAO

[strong marsh]

Ogerpon incin indeedee grimsnarl armoruge and flutter mane

[stone trellis]

Why do you want to replace Armarouge again?

[copper token]

Ok will do

[next stump]

worst you can do is call a judge, judge says that it's fine they're permanently DCing, and you have peace of mind now

[strong marsh]

I don’t like it

[bold geode]

Anyways
@balmy glen @chrome knot y'all probably don't care but like
Dropped 2-3 but we played fantastic today so

[bold geode]

True

It was rough, I had to go from 1-2 to 6-2 anyways so

[stone trellis]

I mean, Koraidon could work, but I doubt you have it.

[strong marsh]

Nah

I don’t

[stone trellis]

Do you have Groudon?

[strong marsh]

Nay

[stone trellis]

I'll trade mine temporarily then.

You need at least one restricted Pokemon to help you.

And Groudon as a sun setter benefits both Flutter Mane and Incineroar.

[copper token]

Paul should i opt for 8 speed to outspeed builds like yours or 56 because other builds have 52?

[strong marsh]

I need one permanently

[stone trellis]

12 outspeeds builds like mine and 60 outspeeds the 52 ones.

[stone trellis]

...

Fine.

[strong marsh]

I’ll try and trade for one

[strong marsh]

No no it’s ok

[stone trellis]

What do you want its nickname to be?

[copper token]

Ok

[strong marsh]

It’s ok u don’t have to give it to me if u don’t wanna

[stone trellis]

I need a nickname, Miles.

[strong marsh]

I wanna pay you in return for all the help

I wanna give u a shiny landorus

On my home

[stone trellis]

You can transfer it from HOME to Violet, can't you?

[strong marsh]

Idk why it won’t let me

[stone trellis]

Can you send a screenshot of the Landorus?

Where did you get it?

[strong marsh]

Pogo

[stone trellis]

Oh.

So it's not genned.

It doesn't matter.

You can trade it to me later.

[strong marsh]

Ok

[stone trellis]

For now, just give me any Pokemon you'd like, shiny or not.

[strong marsh]

Alr I’ll give u a ho oh

[stone trellis]

Thank you.

[strong marsh]

The nickname will be Paul

[stone trellis]

Give me a second to change it then.

[strong marsh]

Alr

[stone trellis]

Its normal nickname was "BOOM!".

[strong marsh]

lol

[copper token]

U were right about overwhelming how do I use this😭

[stone trellis]

Ready for the trade.

[next stump]

This is Incineroar's page for example. This bar graph shows you the different speed stats that are possible on Incineroar. The higher the bar at that number, the more people use that speed stat exactly

[strong marsh]

Yes

[next stump]

For Incineroar, you can see most people use 80 or 81 speed, which I believe is 0SPE and 4SPE EVs respectfully

[copper token]

Oh ok

[strong marsh]

I’m searching

[copper token]

Ok

[next stump]

So if your goal is to outspeed (or speed creep as most VGC people say) those Incineroar, then you'll want to be 82 or higher

[copper token]

Oh ok thank u

[next stump]

you're welcome 😄

[stone trellis]

Just like I said.

[strong marsh]

Alr

Paul

I needa get to master ball Rank

But I wanna fight u

@stone trellis double battle same code

[stone trellis]

Alright.

[strong marsh]

I’m scared

[stone trellis]

Don't be.

Be not afraid.

[strong marsh]

No restrictions?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[strong marsh]

Idk what to pair up with what

[stone trellis]

Your whole team is level 100, right?

[strong marsh]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Sweet.

You know you can just bring your whole team, right?

[strong marsh]

Ik

I gotta take that incin out

[copper token]

Say I went with the 12 speed evs would the best stat to cut be hp?

[stone trellis]

Probably.

[copper token]

Ok

[strong marsh]

I’m cooked

Fuh

[stone trellis]

Nah, you can pull this back.

[strong marsh]

I still suck

[stone trellis]

You're new to this.

[strong marsh]

😭

[stone trellis]

And you're only using one restricted Pokemon.

You're at a disadvantage, man.

[strong marsh]

I hate using restricted

[stone trellis]

That's on you.

This is the format right now, you'll have to use what's available.

[strong marsh]

I actually suck

[stone trellis]

Shut up, man.

You don't suck just because you're losing to a player with more experience and an actual full team.

You'll get better.

[strong marsh]

That is such a tanky pokemon

[stone trellis]

Who, Amoonguss?

[strong marsh]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's kinda cracked.

[strong marsh]

And this grimsnarl is useless

[stone trellis]

I'll try to make a team with no restricteds just to fight you on an equal level.

Replace Groudon with Torkoal and you're good.

[strong marsh]

I’m still gonna lose 🫩

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but you will learn.

[strong marsh]

I don’t have a torkoal

[copper token]

Paul do u think a defensive nature on farigiraf or modest? I want it to do more than stop priority

[fallen fog]

What is a good team to run with politoed rain and overqwil?

[next stump]

unfortunately those are basically unusable when you can use something like Kyogre in its place

[bold geode]

Nothing

Yeah that

[fallen fog]

I sadly dont have access to a kyogre

[next stump]

are you playing VGC or a differnet format?

[strong marsh]

This team is so good

[fallen fog]

Im new to competitive, watched alot on youtube and wanted to try it myself. Im probably gonna use the ingame battle thing, dont have my switch on me so I dont know what its called.

[next stump]

No worries, is it double battles or single battles you want to play?;

double battles are called VGC

[strong marsh]

I hate terapagos

What’s the best ogerpon form

@stone trellis

[solid frigate]

Hearthflame>Wellspring>Cornerstone>Teal

[solid frigate]

hello Dillon

[strong marsh]

Omg

Can u help me with my team

And teach me

[solid frigate]

what team

[next stump]

hello 😄

[strong marsh]

I’m trying to become better I rlly wanna get to master ball rank

[solid frigate]

My Cresselia Arc is back again lmao

[solid frigate]

why is it only Single Restricted

[strong marsh]

I’m new

[fallen fog]

preferably single battles

[strong marsh]

I don’t like being called trash

Just. Because I use restricted

[solid frigate]

i mean

[strong marsh]

I’m new

[solid frigate]

no one will call you trash using a restricted

[strong marsh]

😭

I just rlly neeed help

[next stump]

looks like a fun team 😄

[copper token]

Is cresselia any good in the current format?

[solid frigate]

i think you want to focus on like this

Both Restricted and then try to build around both of them

[solid frigate]

its alright

like its not bad any means

[strong marsh]

Idk how to build teams

I literally like just started

Yesterday

[solid frigate]

Everyone in my teambuilding Group just say put down the Cress lmao

[solid frigate]

how about i'll do a quick build on a wellspring ogerpon reg I team?

[copper token]

Yeah I thought it would be better bc of the immunity to ursalunas ground moves but car matches up well against it

[strong marsh]

U can do any ogerpon form for me

I just need a good team that I can climb the ranks with

[copper token]

Guys do u think a modest farigiraf would be better than a defensive one bc I want mine to do more than just block priority

[solid frigate]

also one of the few pokemon to live Electro drift normally

But due to Fari have more better utility its mostly outclassed as primary TR option

[next stump]

the main issue with running modest is that you're not hitting a lot of pokemon for a lot of damage in this format

[solid frigate]

you don't need modest,Helping Hand and Foul playy already helps

[next stump]

it was better earlier in the game when pokemon were weaker

lemme give you an example

[solid frigate]

do you have any restricted that you wanna use,like comfort picks for Restricteds

[next stump]

4 SpA Farigiraf Psychic Noise vs. 244 HP / 108 SpD Amoonguss: 98-116 (44.5 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

vs.

76+ SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 244 HP / 108 SpD Amoonguss: 138-164 (62.7 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[strong marsh]

I don’t have any restricteds

[copper token]

Alr I was just curious bc I’ve seen hyper voice throat spray builds too that are modest

[solid frigate]

then why there is a groudon-

[next stump]

the pokemon you're most commonly hitting for super effective, amoonguss, doesn't come close to dying to a modest 76EV psychic

[copper token]

Dang

[strong marsh]

That’s my only one

[next stump]

so you're usually better off just going bulky and chipping away at stuff when needed

[copper token]

Ok then thanks

[solid frigate]

odd..

Anyways lemme quick build

[copper token]

Should I just use one of the vgc builds off of the showdown calculator?

[next stump]

I like using munchstats for builds, or asking here

[solid frigate]

you can use Blank sets and they build off your EVs by calcing against Hitting someone or tanking someone's moves

[copper token]

I’ve never used munch stats is it good

[copper token]

Oh I might try that

[next stump]

https://www.munchstats.com/

really easy website where you can just directly copy people's EV spreads

[solid frigate]

@strong marsh btw if you don't mind trading with people you can copy my team but remove cress with Amoonguss if you want

[solid frigate]

solid i'd say

[strong marsh]

I’m like broke broke

[solid frigate]

like no legendary broke?

or just no pokeballs broke

[strong marsh]

Yea

No leg broke

[next stump]

@strong marsh use a rental team

[strong marsh]

Rental?

[solid frigate]

yeah there are buttload of Ogerpon teams cuz its broken

[next stump]

you can borrow teams that people share

so you dont need to build them yourself

[solid frigate]

basically enter a code and you get their team to borrow in battle

[strong marsh]

Oh

[copper token]

So in a blank set what Pokémon should I test?

For damage calcs

[solid frigate]

mostly meta picks

you want to tank Meta threats(Mostly)

[copper token]

So cir, kyogre stuff like that?

[next stump]

@chrome knot august 10th lincoln park zoo there will be a VGC tournament

if you're in chicago that early

[strong marsh]

Which one do I pick

[chrome knot]

:c

earliest I be there is 12th

[next stump]

ripppppp

[copper token]

How do I get it to update my evs after testing?

[next stump]

@strong marsh https://victoryroad.pro/sv-rental-teams/

Here are teams that people used to do very well with for in person tournaments

[solid frigate]

export you spread and copy it

[copper token]

Ok

[strong marsh]

This team with calyrex and miraidon is so good

[stone trellis]

I feel like a proud father.

And I'm not even 16 years old yet.

[strong marsh]

I’m your child?

I NEED CALYREX

[stone trellis]

Say less, young blood.

[strong marsh]

You’ll give it to me 🥺

[stone trellis]

Yep.

Just let me make sure it's legit and not genned.

[strong marsh]

thank you father

[stone trellis]

Do you want it to hold any specific item?

[strong marsh]

Clear amulet

Let me go catch that miraidon

[stone trellis]

The one I've got right now has 2 Speed IVs.

I suppose you don't want that, do you?

Should I hyper train it?

[strong marsh]

I wanna some how implement ogerpon in the team tho

[stone trellis]

I've made a team with Hearthflame in it.

And it uses CIR-Miraidon.

[strong marsh]

Oo

You got my attention

[stone trellis]

I'm even working on making it in-game.

Here's the paste.
https://pokepast.es/541160918ffd3230

I even have a full analysis for every team member.

[stone trellis]

Do you like the team?

[strong marsh]

Can u send it

It’s not letting me paste it

Nvm it worked

This team looks amazing

[stone trellis]

Great.

Do you want the full analysis?

[strong marsh]

Do you have a shiny whimscott

[stone trellis]

I'll have to post it in DMs because it's really long.

[strong marsh]

Howww

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but I might not trade it.

[strong marsh]

Let’s talk in DMs anyway

[strong marsh]

I’ll give smth for it

Idk what but I’ll try

[stone trellis]

I will only trade it after I've made the team in game.

[strong marsh]

Damn

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/994786ef88ccfd5d can I have you guys look at these two sets and tell me which is more optimized for tanking and dealing hits

also let me know if this isn't what dimmadome was made for

[lean ridge]

What’s the item?

[misty helm]

I don't know maybe black sludge

[lean ridge]

I think for singles it’s more used for hazard setting and stall

Could try running smthn with tox spikes maybe

[misty helm]

so replace a move with toxic spikes is what you suggest

also which set is more optimized

stat wise

[lean ridge]

I’d say spikes/toxic/wisp, and sludgebomb or strange steam for offense

Weezing is usually always used as a physical wall so it’s normally fully invested in hp and def

And u would usually only bring it in vs physical attackers

U could run it more specially bulky tho but it wont survive as long

[misty helm]

am I wrong to use it for offense

[lean ridge]

It’s not that powerful offensively, there are probably better options

[misty helm]

just something about the phrase "there are probably better options" sets me off a little bit

I feel like it discourages creativity

[solid frigate]

creativity does not exist in comp pokemon in late formats lmao

[lean ridge]

Didn’t mean it like that, if u wanna run an offensive weezing I’m sure u could make it work, it’s just its stats and learn set aren’t really designed for it to be played that way

[misty helm]

yeah maybe I'm better off waiting till gen 10 starts

[next stump]

you can use anything however you want, you just won't find people here who can give quality advice about it

if you play for fun, use offensive weezing

[solid frigate]

especially this is catered for Doubles VGC not BSS

less advice on that department

[fallen fog]

What pokemon should I bring with a politoed and overwqil in singles? for a rain team

[misty helm]

kingdra maybe

[next stump]

https://www.munchstats.com/gen9bssregi/1760/Calyrex-Shadow

Can't give advice on singles myself but this website shows you what pokemon are most commonly used in singles

so you can start to think of what pokemon beat them

[fallen fog]

Ohh yeah ive seen he has some synergy with politoed in rain

[fallen fog]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

fishnip has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[fallen fog]

Is it worth going all out on water pokemon or should I bring some others as well?

[next stump]

definitely not worth

[misty helm]

yeah in gen 5 the combo was so effective that it was banned to ubers

[fallen fog]

Alright

Wow I wanna try it now

Oo Archaludon could be good

[misty helm]

man where have the good old days gone

[fallen fog]

Fr

A-Z coming out soon, wait hold old I SW?

[misty helm]

I would say hold onto sword

[next stump]

fall 2022 iirc

so coming up on 3 years

oh wait

lol

thought you said SV

[fallen fog]

Oh no thats what i meant lol

Or do you guys thinks its better to build a sun team or is rain better?

[misty helm]

I think it's worth holding on to SV

[next stump]

If you have Koraidon, sun will be better

but if you don't stick with rain

[fallen fog]

Im on violet sadly

Im thinking kingdra, politoed, overqwil archaludon and 2 more

Choosing a fire for grass coverage would prolly be like shooting myself in the foot with the rain

[foggy lodge]

Wellspring

[misty helm]

quaquaval can grow out of hand quickly I feel because of the speed and attack boosts from moxie and aqua step

[fallen fog]

He would be good too

with moxie but I feel like I have too many water mons

[misty helm]

okay kilowatral

or zapdos if you have it

[fallen fog]

That could work

Should I have someone use screens or spikes?

Or sticky web

[strong marsh]

Does anyone have a calyrex they can trade me

[misty helm]

and maybe add a scizor that doesn't have to worry anymore about it's four times weakness

[solid frigate]

Koraidon:Look at what you have done Miraidon,you are trying to get us Nerfed

[fallen fog]

LOL

Who is scizor

It is the red bug thing

[next stump]

you may totally now this already so sorry if you do, but since you mentioned watching singles youtube videos just wanted to say it again

singles in game is VERY different from singles on showdown, where most people play and youtube videos are made

[solid frigate]

metal bug in gen 2 that is evo of Scyther

[fallen fog]

Oh gotcha, I appreciate the help 🙂 Would it be better to just scrap that idea and go for something new from scratch? Maybe look up a pokemon to center my team around?

[fallen fog]

Ohh yeah

[next stump]

no not necessarily, the main thing to know about single battles in game is that it is 3v3 and not 6v6

there are also no rules that prevent things like sleep, ban pokemon, etc.

[fallen fog]

Ohhhh

[next stump]

because it is 3v3, hazards (spikes, sticky webs, etc.) dont have as much value

[fallen fog]

I was just thinking about that last time I was watching a video, like does it only allow one or is that just an unwritten rule

[next stump]

they still do but not as widespread

[fallen fog]

I get that

That makes it alot harder

[misty helm]

I would recommend damp rock for politoed so you don't run out of rain

[fallen fog]

How do people play the 6v6? Is that a custom thing?

[next stump]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

this website