Get offline bitch
#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
bold geode
Get offline bitch
Go fuck yourself
foggy lodge
Did I kill it you took long to reply
bold geode
foggy lodge
Feel my psychic powers
bold geode
No I just went outside
foggy lodge
Good thing
We should stop posting pokemon showdown elo and gxe and start posting everytime we touch grass
bold geode
I'm chucking bricks at you
foggy lodge
What's your elo on competitive showering monke
bold geode
-5
foggy lodge
Decent
chrome knot
confusing crashout
bold geode
Anyways on another note
I'm going into this Smogon tournament not being able to consistently beat Mirai Nala
Yay
It's kicking my ass
bold geode
confusing crashout
chucks brick at you
bold geode
wooo <:celebrating:658386765563953202>
bold geode
Holy fuck it's bnuuy
chrome knot
yup
bold geode
chrome knot
i build bed
then sleep then tmrw build new desk
i so eepy but im literally building lego….
bold geode
Oh Emma
I'm back on slow honse maybe
bold geode
The streets have told me it's good
Might still go max speed honse for Smogon tour tho, I'm testing to see what's better
chrome knot
donno
bold geode
What if
Calyrex Bnuuy Rider
chrome knot
dunno
chrome knot
no..?
bold geode
I know it's been answered but I keep forgetting
Wtf is Calyrex
It resembles a hare
So it is a fuckin rabbit
craggy dagger
So it is a fuckin rabbit
chrome knot
it’s a deer isn’t it
its a salad
craggy dagger
its a salad
solid frigate
i can't unsee Calyrex being a fucking Rabbit Stew
craggy dagger
solid frigate
<:kekhands:1179615323146702938>
and i think i know who did it (Drago)
bold geode
HEY WHAT I DO
bold geode
its a salad
Calyrex Salad Rider
foggy lodge
spiral ridge
HEY WHAT I DO
chrome knot
Calyrex Salad Rider
salad riders
i finish bed bow i sleep
i bought new fan that is also like a nightlight so i happy
molten oasis
i've spent $100 trying to make my laptop not overheat today
its still overheating, im not calling it a waste cuz i do now have some nice tools and a good stand for my next laptop, but im still pissed
foggy lodge
shadow wind
Come join me on stupid OMs 🙏
near crag
Anyone has some creative miraidon parters? I'm trying to do some new stuff, but I just fall back onto farigiraf, whims, and ursh/hands.
rustic mountain
how do u know, similar circles?
austere pilot
Diva
balmy glen
how do u know, similar circles?
stone trellis
This team is such ragebait, I love it.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2404277645-4yp2lppm7qg9fdbbr9xs5xel3j67hldpw
They survive everything too.
left bobcat
🐡
bold geode
i bought new fan that is also like a nightlight so i happy
I have a lamp next to my bed that's also a nightstand
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/sagawa-yakuza-0-caught-dead-gif-13341775218849343327
Imma shove a curtain rod up your ass
bold geode
LMAO honestly same
I be looking in my closet like "damn that coat kinda look like a whole ass dude rn"
spiral ridge
I be looking in my closet like "damn that coat kinda look like a whole ass dude ...
One time creepy figure was just chilling by my door and turning lights on or anything showed nothing I was like wtaf
bold geode
One time creepy figure was just chilling by my door and turning lights on or any...
Bro saw the Hatman
spiral ridge
Nah I saw a fucking sleep paralysis demon I couldn’t move for five minutes to turn light on
Shit was not tight
bold geode
Yeah that's what the fucking Hat man is
spiral ridge
He did not have a hat
spiral ridge
Nah wasn’t wide enough to be you
bold geode
Okay
spiral ridge
Was some slender man proportions
bold geode
I used to have those proportions
How long ago
spiral ridge
You did???
bold geode
Yes bro
spiral ridge
Slender man proportions is like Yao ming that is pretty hard to do
bold geode
I literally from the time the pandemic started to the time I started working out
Gained 80 lbs
spiral ridge
Ic
spiral ridge
Yeah
This was recent so it was not past you
Unless we’re doing little nightmares time loops
spiral ridge
Isn’t the hat man joke from like a Benadryl subreddit
bold geode
Isn’t the hat man joke from like a Benadryl subreddit
LOOK ALL I KNOW IS I SAW A TALL MFER WITH A HAT AND NO FACE SO IT WAS EITHER HIM OR A GHOST
spiral ridge
I saw the Hat Man once
bold geode
no my brain just can’t handle being alone in dark
Why make panic
spiral ridge
LOOK ALL I KNOW IS I SAW A TALL MFER WITH A HAT AND NO FACE SO IT WAS EITHER HIM...
Dayum
That does not sound very fun
chrome knot
brain seems to believe theres a non0 chance that theres more than just me in here
bold geode
brain seems to believe theres a non0 chance that theres more than just me in her...
It's ok
I'll live in your walls so you know for sure
chrome knot
ok so why tf didn’t u help me build bedframe yday
bold geode
That does not sound very fun
Yeah it was one of those type beats where like
You know when you get that feeling that someone is watching you
chrome knot
u asshole :v
spiral ridge
Was the hat man hot monkey
bold geode
ok so why tf didn’t u help me build bedframe yday
I was busy :3
chrome knot
you WERE IN MY WALLS PROBABLY DOING NOTHINNNGG
bold geode
Was the hat man hot monkey
He actually was, he just scared my ass since it was midnight
bold geode
you WERE IN MY WALLS PROBABLY DOING NOTHINNNGG
NUH UH
spiral ridge
He actually was, he just scared my ass since it was midnight
Bro he didn’t have a face and yet you were checking him out
How dapper was his hat
bold geode
Bro he didn’t have a face and yet you were checking him out
How dapper was his ...
Almost like a bowler hat
bold geode
Y'know the hat from Meet the Robinsons
spiral ridge
Trying
bold geode
That kind of hat
stone trellis
I'm going to run CIR-Origin Dialga hard TR.
bold geode
Actually @spiral ridge what if it was just that one mfer that missed the catch in my room 
spiral ridge
Huh
bold geode
@chrome knot look at this uncultured swine
spiral ridge
Back from shower and seems not much looking
chrome knot
<@224303371564220418> look at this uncultured swine
i dunno what ur on abt either
chrome knot
Back from shower and seems not much looking
at work type shit
spiral ridge
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER?
I know the movie I just don’t watch shit
chrome knot
crash out mode
bold geode
chrome knot
@bold geode customers are STARING at me at work should i kill them
dense minnow
no, thats when you put the fries in the bag lil bro
chrome knot
waow youre 12
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> customers are STARING at me at work should i kill them
Yes
Listen to the voices
Listen to the deep fryers beckoning you to kill the man with today's Happy Meal toy
chrome knot
Yes
Listen to the voices
good idea
balmy glen
@rustic mountain just found out two alts got dq
one was Wolfe and another was someone else (the winner)
bold geode
one was Wolfe and another was someone else (the winner)
so I was hearing correctly
Bro low-key if Wolfe brings Korai Lunala to Worlds or that same NAIC stuff, idk how far he's actually gonna go
That whole duo is kinda cooked
molten oasis
Almost like a bowler hat
“They all hated me.”
balmy glen
Bro low-key if Wolfe brings Korai Lunala to Worlds or that same NAIC stuff, idk ...
I think he day 2’s off comfort
It’s looking like a 6-6 or a 5-3 to me ngl
foggy lodge
foggy lodge
Bro low-key if Wolfe brings Korai Lunala to Worlds or that same NAIC stuff, idk ...
I don't think he'll bring it
Because its actually super weird that he brought Korainala to NAIC because at Milwaukee he said he didn't like the duo
bold geode
“They all hated me.”
AT LEAST SOMEONE KNOWS
bold geode
It’s looking like a 6-6 or a 5-3 to me ngl
Honestly
His team kinda looks like it was built to beat Shadow Rider and only Shadow Rider
balmy glen
Because its actually super weird that he brought Korainala to NAIC because at Mi...
He’s prob bringing it
He brought it to VR as well and I don’t see Wolfe switching so “late” despite it being a lot of time to practice still lol
dense latch
maybe he tries korai csr
misty helm
Would scorching sands be a good move on volcarona with ground Tera
Or would it be better to go with grass Tera and giga drain
chrome knot
this is cool asf
real prairie
Would scorching sands be a good move on volcarona with ground Tera
No harm in trying it, especially in bo1
Will throw some people
real prairie
this is cool asf
It's cleeeeaaannn
chrome knot
It's cleeeeaaannn
they play bss
dense latch
Or would it be better to go with grass Tera and giga drain
giga drain is generally better
what's the team
craggy dagger
Would scorching sands be a good move on volcarona with ground Tera
interesting tech
but giga drain is generally better
molten oasis
I found the answer
It’s to play the team that fucking worked
(That I’m also comfortable with)
+1 12+ Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 132 HP / 140 Def Tera-Grass Kyogre in Rain: 164-196 (85.4 - 102%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO
That’s wild
foggy lodge
molten oasis
Didn’t you send this already
solid frigate
Didn’t you send this already
thats a different post
molten oasis
No I swear he sent that earlier today
molten oasis
https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1945876292311691649
Right here.
left bobcat
WOBBLE IT WIGGLE IT WOBBLE IT WIGGLE IT WOBBLE IT WIGGLE HUUUUUUUUUUUH
near crag
y'all think upper hand or quick guard is better?
dense minnow
What's a good lunala counter? Rn I'm running:
Terrakion, whimsicott, zamazenta, sinistcha, miraidon, incineroar but I'm thinking of swapping some stuff
solid frigate
What's a good lunala counter? Rn I'm running:
Terrakion, whimsicott, zamazenta, ...
beat up strat from Terrakion?
dense minnow
ye
solid frigate
perchance your Miraidon is Specs or Scarf?
dense minnow
it's av 😔
solid frigate
can you send the pokepaste in here
dense minnow
Don't have the entire team but my miraidon is smth like this
solid frigate
you don't need Overheat Mirai
molten oasis
Or parabolic charge
solid frigate
you can just run Mirai Zama Hearthflame and its already better
dense minnow
does mold breaker even go through shadow shield or whatever its called
dense latch
no draco on mirai is criminal
good luck when you play opposing mirai
or tera grass kyogre
solid frigate
good luck when you play opposing mirai
dense latch
or like anything really
there's not much overheat does that draco doesn't
solid frigate
also Hearthflame exists
molten oasis
Draco volt switch and edrift are required
dense minnow
What are good lunala counters though
maybe I should just run encore over endeavor on whimsi
molten oasis
Unless your calm mind
solid frigate
What are good lunala counters though
maybe I should just run encore over endeav...
just give us the pokepaste
No one would steal your idea
dense minnow
it's not that I'm scared that people r gonna steal it I just don't have one
dense latch
do you have the team on pokemon showdown?
dense minnow
no
forest arrow
You want Tera Electric on Av miraidon
dense latch
start there
dense minnow
Mine has tera electric actually
dense latch
terrakion is not good in this format and i dont see sinistcha working that well on this team
forest arrow
Oh the pic you sent has fire
solid frigate
terrakion is not good in this format and i dont see sinistcha working that well ...
i can close both eyes about Sinistcha
dense minnow
Don't have the entire team but my miraidon is smth like this
Yeah that's why I said something like this
solid frigate
but like Terrakion is like not good (Used Iron Boulder on kyogre team,it was something)
dense minnow
Terrakion beatup is fire 🗣️
dense latch
is there anything on the team you wouldn't consider changing?
molten oasis
Can we see a paste?
dense minnow
is there anything on the team you wouldn't consider changing?
Preferably terrakionwhimsi/zama, but I was thinking about taking out incineroar
molten oasis
In a different format maybe
The format of vgc 2013
forest arrow
I used it for a little bit
solid frigate
The format of vgc 2013
and i kinda see it in reg F but like why bother
forest arrow
I forgot what reg but I remember there was some encore tech with quick attack and you could use rockslide/etc with priority
forest arrow
and i kinda see it in reg F but like why bother
Reg f is prob what I used it in too
dense minnow
I got a shiny one though 🥹
solid frigate
dense latch
yea it's just not worth it and takes up a move slot on whim too
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-ghost-calyrex-shadow-rider-astral-barrage-pokemon...
i don't think its gonna shine when this mf just psychic it
dense minnow
idk why but the calyrexes I've been facing haven't been scarfed/tailwind
solid frigate
because Shadow Rider with Tailwind is Optional lmao
dense latch
like if you REALLY want to use terrakion then go for it, just know you're putting yourself at a pretty big disadvantage
forest arrow
I mean you prob want encore on whims anyways but yeah Terrak not worth this reg
dense minnow
like if you REALLY want to use terrakion then go for it, just know you're puttin...
Yeah I know 😭
What are good substitutes for incineroar though? H. sneasler w electric seed looked kinda funny
dense latch
i mean incin is fine
molten oasis
I forgot what reg but I remember there was some encore tech with quick attack an...
Reg f
Incin is incin
dense latch
i can find some mirai zama teams that did well
molten oasis
Sneasler is like, a thing you can do
dense latch
for you to find some inspo
forest arrow
You’d probably prefer an incin
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/2e9d13975674d4da
https://pokepast.es/5b2c5d25d6c76c1e
these are some decent teams
forest arrow
Volc is on Mirai Zama teams for the mirror Zama
dense latch
ig you could use the hoj nielsen's team
the one with bloodmoon ursa and sneasler
i don't think it's great though the nielsen brothers are just v comfortable with it
dense minnow
What do people run on ursa?
forest arrow
Typically Bloodmoon, Hyper Voice, Earth Power Protect
dense minnow
Life orb or smth?
forest arrow
Idk what’s Neilsens team have but LOrb is a great item for it
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/cbb412fbe23c2438 it's this
dense minnow
it's one of the best partners for zamazenta
Why? I have a pao but it has kinda evil ev's with like max atk and spd
forest arrow
All paos are max max
dense minnow
Honestly that ursaluna thing looks kinda interesting, are tornadus's also max max usually?
dense latch
Why? I have a pao but it has kinda evil ev's with like max atk and spd
lowers defense of all other pokemon on the field making body press hit harder
body press damage isn't affected by sword of ruin
dense minnow
https://pokepast.es/cbb412fbe23c2438 it's this
I have a shiny torn so I might try this out, what evs would you recommend on torn/ursa? Also why raindance on torn?
dense latch
just some extra options into koraidon i suppose
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/9fa92fdb1acf3372 this is the team. This works, I feel confident with it.
dense minnow
https://pokepast.es/cbb412fbe23c2438 it's this
What stats for ursa? (Sorry for another ping 😓 )
dense latch
honestly not sure
it's not too common in this format
i don't really recommend the team if you're just starting out if i'm being honest
maybe modest max spatk max speed to take advantage of tailwind?
foggy lodge
Very good team but its hard to pick up as a new player
dense minnow
i don't really recommend the team if you're just starting out if i'm being hones...
It's fine I don't mind losing and I have most of the mons ready except ursa
dense minnow
maybe modest max spatk max speed to take advantage of tailwind?
Yeah that'd make sense but then it prob gets 1 hit by most things no?
dense latch
i mean it still has decent natural physical bulk
dense minnow
i mean it still has decent natural physical bulk
So max spd max sp atk? And then like 4 sp def?
foggy lodge
I think 4 HP reaches 199 and then you take less chip damage from the life orb
molten oasis
I think this is a max speed max spA Bloodmoon team
next stump
So max spd max sp atk? And then like 4 sp def?
really little thing but usually it's easier to abbreviate speed as SPE and Special Def as SpDef
or SpD
dense minnow
really little thing but usually it's easier to abbreviate speed as SPE and Speci...
fair
dense minnow
I think 4 HP reaches 199 and then you take less chip damage from the life orb
Oooo interesting, I'll get to training it later
molten oasis
Why are we playing skeledirge?
misty helm
I like skeledirge
molten oasis
In a format where it doesn’t really do anything?
chrome knot
Why are we playing skeledirge?
you’ll soon find out its easier to ignore lol
solid frigate
In a format where it doesn’t really do anything?
even in BSS Reg I it does nothing
molten oasis
you’ll soon find out its easier to ignore lol
Nah I like to know why
(I’m bored at work atm
misty helm
I miss regulation h
molten oasis
Idt it was even good in reg h
misty helm
What form is better for arcanine btw
molten oasis
Hisui id say
bold geode
Is this a good spread for skeledirge
Once again
We need actual EVs
We need the numbers
molten oasis
Is this for singles?
dense latch
didnt we have this convo a month ago or so
misty helm
Am I at least learning
molten oasis
Seems Junie was right I should’ve said nothing
chrome knot
shockerrr
dense latch
look at what we recommended the last time
misty helm
Does that mean this set is bad
chrome knot
got 0 investment anywhere else bc defences HAVE to match😭
solid frigate
got 0 investment anywhere else bc defences HAVE to match😭
bold geode
Looks like corn
azure ether
does anyone know what the 16 Speed IVs are for? Who are they supposed to be underspeeding?
solid frigate
slower than normal Ursaluna and CIR that are min speed
And i guess Scraggy min speed idk
molten oasis
Amoonguss just needs relaxed nature to underspeed CIR in tr
I’m pretty sure it’s just that
azure ether
I have a 27 Speed one, but my CIR is 0 Speed
not sure if the team will work the same way so I wanted to make sure
dense latch
Extra butter popcorn
mmmm
foggy lodge
does anyone know what the 16 Speed IVs are for? Who are they supposed to be unde...
I think Gavin never explained that lol
Maybe that's just the slowest he had
molten oasis
That’s what I’m thinking
azure ether
aight I'm using 27 shroom and 0 CIR then
warped mason
Would adding in brute bonnet over amoongus make this worse. Thinking it as an option for csr.
solid frigate
Surging Strikes in Rain just mauls CSR
foggy lodge
Amoonguss is a lot better
thick hatch
I was thinking about getting into competitive Pokemon and was thinking about running a hyper offensive team based around Iron Crown as my main/ace Pokemon. Any suggestions for other 'mons?
foggy lodge
For a team that wants to rotate out with fake out and rain
Amoonguss benefits more the team
solid frigate
and Urshifu just Mauls CSR in rain
foggy lodge
I was thinking about getting into competitive Pokemon and was thinking about run...
Singles or VGC
thick hatch
Singles or VGC
Mainly VGC, but singles is fine
foggy lodge
Iron Crown is very outclassed in VGC by Calyrex Shadow
thick hatch
eh, true
solid frigate
Iron Crown is very outclassed in VGC by Calyrex Shadow
if its reg G then sure
but reg I is impossible to use it
foggy lodge
The main reason to use Crown before was for psyspam with Indeedee and would cover Koraidon's weaknesses but now with CSR that's already done
solid frigate
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain on a critical hit: 132-162 (73.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 180-216 (102.2 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@warped mason btw you kinda don't need Brute Bonnet anyway
and you have another pokemon that beats CSR if Urshifu is not needed
warped mason
Thx
thick hatch
What about singles anyways
solid frigate
Crown Still suck in Singles
Arguebly worse than in VGC
warped mason
This was another team I wanted to build cus I got a shiny zenta. Thoughts on adjustments if I should?
thick hatch
Stellar kinda sucks
solid frigate
Stellar kinda sucks
nah its not
it act as a kill button most of the time
it was not meant as a defensive tera
solid frigate
This was another team I wanted to build cus I got a shiny zenta. Thoughts on adj...
anyways,imo there's nothing to replace
warped mason
How would I play into ice rider miraidon teams with this
Ik kyogre is pretty much forced to tera grass
But is it hopeless?
solid frigate
Ik kyogre is pretty much forced to tera grass
kill Mirai with Lando and let Kyogre beat CIR
Thats the base idea
warped mason
So then ogre Lando is the lead here then usually?
molten oasis
What are we discussing?
solid frigate
What are we discussing?
gameplan against Mirai CIR
warped mason
This was another team I wanted to build cus I got a shiny zenta. Thoughts on adj...
This team into cir miraidon
solid frigate
CSR?
molten oasis
With what?
warped mason
Sorry ice rider
warped mason
I guess to have the accurate sandshears off the bat
warped mason
That's a good idea
warped mason
And then kyogre in the back could deal with cir
molten oasis
But I think opening with offense is good, you have ice spinner to handle the terrain from Mirai
warped mason
Do cir mirai players usually lead cir?
solid frigate
usually lead Mirai
molten oasis
Mirai CIR usually lead incin Mirai, which, yes lando lead is good but I feel like it’s really easy to just lose lando t1 to Draco
So I think trying to bait Mirai into electric moves so lando is THEN strong into the duo is good
warped mason
Yeah and then kyogre isn't doing anything there either
molten oasis
Yep
Or you can Tera early and click pulse and hope you hit the incin
But the issue is more Mirai here
But personally I like zama pao lead here anyway
solid frigate
CIR in that team usually run leech seed
So Zama Pao usually is free against it
molten oasis
That’s why we Tera grass zama clicks wide guard and I also think we’ve adjusted to playing clam again
warped mason
They would probably want to switch onto the zama right?
solid frigate
That’s why we Tera grass zama clicks wide guard and I also think we’ve adjusted ...
we love clam
not the seafood
molten oasis
Just spam wide guard and let smth else take out CIR, but yea you can pivot it
warped mason
Wouldn't they just fake out pao in that case?
molten oasis
If they lead CIR you’re fine
warped mason
Just spam wide guard and let smth else take out CIR, but yea you can pivot it
Is the wide guard for dazzling gleam?
warped mason
Nvm brain farted. Cir spread move.
@molten oasis if we were to lead zama, would we want to go for damage or pivot into Lando.
molten oasis
That’s your call
warped mason
Tera grass and press into incin would be good right?
Or I guess dealing with mirai should be priority
Well pao is killing Mirai with spinner anyway
molten oasis
Double protect t1 and see what happens first
warped mason
Yeah to scout fake out.
I'm not in a game atm
I guess if they show volt switch I pivot
rustic mountain
one was Wolfe and another was someone else (the winner)
warped mason
But then the mind games lol
rustic mountain
mans just told me no for the sake of it 
but yea since most ppl know ig it was oliver eskolin as the other
which in hindsight is a bit silly to get dq'd wen ppl wound up finding out anyway, now u revealed ur sauce and didnt get the $ or glory
foggy lodge
And that's how the VR ends with 0 dollars 0 glory and 0 confidentiality
Kinda sad
But if you are going to play a VR with an alt ig that you already know you aren't getting paid so meh
warped mason
How popular is shadow rider zenta rn?
foggy lodge
X
foggy lodge
How popular is shadow rider zenta rn?
Not too much just the second most used duo
molten oasis
Its pretty under the radar, only second just isn't enough.
warped mason
I have now have an urge to run ogre giratina o
lost sun
one was Wolfe and another was someone else (the winner)
why'd they get dq
balmy glen
why'd they get dq
they were alting in VR
near crag
Not too much just the second most used duo
Is it? Feel like it should be first rn
rustic mountain
But if you are going to play a VR with an alt ig that you already know you aren'...
yea but to also get outted as who u actually are as well, idk its just like wats the point
big double whammy energy
foggy lodge
I think I found my new favourite restricted
misty helm
Okay what Pokémon are worth trying in bss
left bobcat
Idk Urshifu
knotty mirage
Okay what Pokémon are worth trying in bss
I think the meta on there is just scarf koraidon and sash caly shadow
misty helm
https://pokepast.es/3429152b5c9652eb is this a bad set of Pokémon
chrome knot
yes
misty helm
I wanted to build a fun mono dragon team so what dragons would work better as a team
No shiny locked pokemon please
spiral ridge
Dragapult is strong
warped mason
How do u guys feel about 3 water move + protect kyogre?
misty helm
bold geode
@chrome knot helloing 
chrome knot
goodbhe
chrome knot
sleepy
bold geode
Ic
chrome knot
i dont wanna go to work…
bold geode
I'm at work now and me neither LOL
spiral ridge
I'm at work now and me neither LOL
L just for you
heady onyx
Dragapult is strong
its been a very strong support for me this season
it looks derpy floating with his lil hands too
chrome knot
@bold geode i got like ratio’d yday
i used to laugh @ scotty for allowance and now he makes more than i do aftr conversion :v
bold geode
i used to laugh @ scotty for allowance and now he makes more than i do aftr conv...
Scotty how much you make
spiral ridge
Minimum wage 😭
bold geode
Bruh
chrome knot
cad sucks,,,,,
bold geode
It's ok
Scotty still on peasant wage for retail
chrome knot
i wanna go work at costco thats like infinite money generator by doing literally nothing
spiral ridge
i wanna go work at costco thats like infinite money generator by doing literally...
What happened to Starbucks
chrome knot
i be hearing nothing back
spiral ridge
Damn
Real but also sad
stone trellis
What happens when you have two Pokemon with Magic Bounce and one uses a status move like Spikes?
spiral ridge
Volleyball
spiral ridge
Idk I’m lying
stone trellis
I want to see what would happen.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
That should answer your question
foggy lodge
Tickle Whimsi is super good into Zama
Drop defense and with the atk drop bbash or heavy slam no longer kill you
bold geode
Also, Tickle Whimsicott + FirePon cook Zamazenta.
The humble Dragon tera
dense minnow
LOL encore just repeats bloodmoon???
lean ridge
dense latch
it struggles the next turn
stone trellis
The humble Dragon tera
Which is why you force them to burn the Tera early.
lost sun
LOL encore just repeats bloodmoon???
encore Ur own ubm
dense minnow
it struggles the next turn
Yeah I found out but my ursa still took down a miraidon for free
misty helm
What do I have that’s useful garbage
foggy lodge
Galarian Weezing, Zamazenta, Flutter and Volcarona
Tho they are not good all together
misty helm
Is behemoth bash and crunch and iron press 252 attack and 252 hp bad for zamazenta
molten oasis
Yes
misty helm
Okay I need advice for how zamazenta is used then
molten oasis
@bold geode
misty helm
First off what’s the main problem is it the moves or the evs
molten oasis
Both
misty helm
Am I at least half right with the moves with iron press
Also how bad is behemoth bash for steel stab
stone trellis
Behemoth Bash is pretty good.
You can use either it or Heavy Slam, but that's up to you.
bold geode
stone trellis
What did I say?
bold geode
Y'know
I forget this is singles
stone trellis
Oh, it's for singles?
bold geode
So I guess MAYBE it could work
But you want Def investment more considering you're gonna be attacking more with it
So 252 Atk is not it
stone trellis
Maybe 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def could work.
misty helm
So remove some or all attack
bold geode
I'd say like
Maybe 156 Def? Cuz you want some Spdef
stone trellis
Maybe 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def could work.
Also, isn't there a page for Zamazenta on Smogon which provides you with a set and an analysis?
misty helm
I'd say like
Maybe 156 Def? Cuz you want some Spdef
Is that an even split for defense and special defense
bold geode
You don't need it
You need your Zamazenta to not eat shit to special attacks
Also secret
With Dauntless shield and Iron Defense
That shit won't be even
misty helm
So 252 special defense instead with a special defense boosting nature
chrome knot
ohmygod
bold geode
No no
You want Impish to boost physical defense
chrome knot
monke youre missing the key point here
defences must be the same by any means necessary
bold geode
Even at the cost of my braincells?
molten oasis
Lmao
bold geode
Look
Even split no matter
I don't understand the concept of why it needs to be that way
But that is not good
misty helm
defences must be the same by any means necessary
I don’t care about that anymore
bold geode
And we need to stop
Anyways
I'd just start off like
252/4/156/0/x/4 with whatever EVs are left into Spdef
Be fat AF
Impish nature
misty helm
I have tainted my error and I realize that I just suck
misty helm
I should’ve left it to the professionals
chrome knot
I don’t care about that anymore
liar
it is time we ev spread more mons to be exactly the same
monke did u know if all 6 of ur mons have the exact same stats they all fuse together
bold geode
I should’ve left it to the professionals
Anyways
Start out with what I said earlier
Can tweak but I would not go as far as to go FULLY into Spdef
misty helm
And not be I don’t want to using gimmicky strategies anymore
bold geode
monke did u know if all 6 of ur mons have the exact same stats they all fuse tog...
I didn't know my team was the fuckin Exodia
Is that it, idfk Yu-Gi-Oh
misty helm
But yeah just gave him 26 kelpsy berries
bold geode
Which berry is that
misty helm
The attack reducing one
bold geode
Yea that
misty helm
Do I need to lower its hp evs
bold geode
Um nah keep max HP for now
Just like
156 EVs in Def (15 Vitamins and 6 feathers if curios)
I'd just put 4 EVs into Atk and Spe and whatever is left just dump that shit into Spdef for now
Also for Steel moves, unless you're having issues with something heavy, I'd do Heavy Slam cuz Zam is so fucking heavy that it hits for good damage most the time
misty helm
156 defense or special defense
bold geode
Defense
misty helm
And what about special defense put the remaining evs into that
bold geode
Yeah
If memory serves me correctly it should be 92?
Check on Showdown to be certain
misty helm
I ultimately feel like a fool training everything wrong
bold geode
Lol hey happens to the best of us
misty helm
So that defense stat should make it 334 defense at level 100
stone trellis
I presume this is regular Zamazenta.
misty helm
Yeah
stone trellis
Regular Zamazenta is very light compared to Crowned Shield and it doesn't even get Behemoth Bash.
bold geode
So that defense stat should make it 334 defense at level 100
Yeah
You can also plug it into SD and change the levels to compare (though note for Zam you have to compare regular Zam stats vs Crowned Zam stats)
Wait wait wait wait
Zamazenta
Without the Rusted Shield?
bold geode
misty helm
No I plan on using crowned
stone trellis
No I plan on using crowned
Crowned hits 400 Defense with those EVs.
solid frigate
its BSS singles
bold geode
Yeah but in game you'll view Zam outside of Crowned form
The stats don't change until in battle
stone trellis
Yeah, it's kinda like the Primals.
bold geode
its BSS singles
Honestly I asked other comp helpers
You can just take stuff from Smogon tiers LMAO
dense latch
i’m pretty sure munchstats has usage stats for bss too
so just steal sets and mons from there
stone trellis
Since there isn't a meme channel on this server as far as I'm aware, I'm going to post this here.
misty helm
Crowned hits 400 Defense with those EVs.
I got 389
stone trellis
I may or may not have run a mental calc using pre-nerf Zama.
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-anime-db-laser-deflect-gif-17680491
The homeless man deflecting the microwaved honey bun I threw at him
solid frigate
Honestly I asked other comp helpers
You can just take stuff from Smogon tiers LM...
no way max max min moment
bold geode
no way max max min moment
molten oasis
The homeless man deflecting the microwaved honey bun I threw at him
Lmfao
solid frigate
The homeless man deflecting the microwaved honey bun I threw at him
tf-
dull haven
dull haven
Nothin to see here mother <:worrychu:453220100636540939>
Lol, I'm alright
bold geode
That's good
dull haven
How are you doing?
bold geode
We vibin
On my last break rn
dull haven
Ahh
bold geode
Tonight gonna play some Rivals
And then tomorrow play in a big Smogon VGC tournament and try not to eat shit
Lol
dull haven
Nice and I wish you much luc
chrome knot
Tonight gonna play some Rivals
And then tomorrow play in a big Smogon VGC tourna...
haha fart
dull haven
Being positive in mindset could definitely help
bold geode
For sure
past fjord
chat is there a way to use Ducklett competitively?
dense latch
chat is there a way to use Ducklett competitively?
i didn't even know ducklett and swanna were in the game
past fjord
i didn't even know ducklett and swanna were in the game
well i want to have a Ducklett with the Master Ball tier ribbon
dense latch
there's zero use for ducklett, i don't see a single niche it could fulfill
dense latch
well i want to have a Ducklett with the Master Ball tier ribbon
ig you could just slap it in a team and play with 5 pokemon
past fjord
if I don't select Ducklett in the like... Pokemon selecting screen and win, will it still get the mark?
past fjord
then I must obtain a Master Ball tier ribbon Ducklett
craggy dagger
🫵
chrome knot
nooooo
craggy dagger
What is it bestie
hellou!
chrome knot
she confirmed she was earlier
this is bullshit
chrome knot
:v
spiral ridge
thought so
chrome knot
i dont see any message saying such things
spiral ridge
actually went and deleted it
spiral ridge
hmm my mysteroius reply calling you stinky where it says message replying to is deleted
molten oasis
I’m finding prio tw teams to be rough to deal with, maybe Fari isn’t the play
But I also like having helping hand so idk
spiral ridge
you cant delete my messages
bold geode
i dont see any message saying such things
Emma stimky
Source: trust me bro
chrome knot
i cannor find the message he is talking abt
i am not stinky.
30m left of work then i can SLEEP YIPPPEEEE
spiral ridge
i cannor find the message he is talking abt
you legit deleted it dont even
i will not be gaslit today unlike usual
spiral ridge
yeah you wore a sweater in summer to work youre sweaty therefore stinky ty for telling people here
chrome knot
i came back from doing trash and closer was like “?? are u here till 9? I thought emma was..?”
and my brain stopped bc like what im literally emma
misty helm
Do you guys really think that most of my collection is useless
spiral ridge
awesome
chrome knot
bc i have my nametag on so he was momentarily confused why i was giggling
then went “oh..OH im so sorry”
spiral ridge
bro knew you must be struggling lol
chrome knot
bro knew you must be struggling lol
dude im literally running kitchen
its not that idk what doing its just im sleepy and dont like being here late
chrome knot
its past my bedtime
spiral ridge
or do you mean youre swapping out
chrome knot
what
misty helm
Can I not get by with an alolan raichu as a sweeper
chrome knot
idk if either of the other 2 would appreciate being around atm even if it were my choice
misty helm
Can I ask real quick if you think I execute strategy well enough I can get by with almost any fully evolved Pokémon
craggy dagger
me?
misty helm
Can I just ask if the favs over meta is really a good point of view
Can I win faves over meta
spiral ridge
to a high level very much unlikely
misty helm
But do you think I can at least reach master ball tier with a team of favorites rather than what is commonly used
spiral ridge
master ball is p easy to hit you can go below 50% wr to get
i did that first time i reached it
spiral ridge
mhm
molten oasis
https://x.com/BlazingJ972/status/1945947461849129453
Yep lmao
rustic mountain
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/0c8926bfe271c984 anyway question fellas, the first 5 imo work great. But I’m now struggling with tw teams and im feeling Fari is usually a dead slot, thoughts on some members to help me out? It is also a big help into tr and I have liked helping hand, but I think it should be smth else
rustic mountain
w/o actually playing the format much recently id prolly give even less helpful teambuilding advice then usual
molten oasis
Damn, figured I’d ask but damn
bold geode
@chrome knot I played a demo of MKW we had at the store
Ok I see it now, shit looks clean AF
chrome knot
ITS SO FUNNNN
spiral ridge
lol
chrome knot
i have literally 250hrs on it already,,,,
spiral ridge
uh huh
chrome knot
tourney matches tmrw
spiral ridge
oo gl
spiral ridge
well now i wont dayum :(
dense latch
i can't wait for my inevitable 0-3 drop
chrome knot
well now i wont dayum :(
nooooonooooo
molten oasis
(Good luck tomorrow everyone it was a joke)
chrome knot
come back we’re in lower bracket
bold geode
ITS SO FUNNNN
I only played a few minutes but yeah Switch 2 has finally done it
The console is already peak
chrome knot
yup
molten oasis
You gonna buy one monke
chrome knot
playing 12hrs tmrw to try and set wr again
bold geode
I'm too broke
bold geode
I can’t wait to watch everyone go 0-3
If I go 0-3 instantly imma dig in my-
molten oasis
My friend is saying it’s incredible
chrome knot
beep boop boop start diggin in yo butt twin🤖
bold geode
Plus I’m playing the DK game first
BRO IT'S THE FIRST DK GAME I ACTUALLY WANNA PLAY
chrome knot
molten oasis
If I go 0-3 instantly imma dig in my-
chrome knot
LMFAOOOO
spiral ridge
come back we’re in lower bracket
Okie pft gllll
bold geode
DK actually don't look bad and also
The hot monkey girl 
molten oasis
I wanna make that a sticker
bold geode
beep boop boop start diggin in yo butt twin🤖
What
WHAT
molten oasis
Peak sticker potential
chrome knot
Whaatt!!????
bold geode
LMAO
chrome knot
WHAAAAATTTT!!!!!??????
bold geode
Me when I lose the Simon Says game
tranquil kraken
BRO IT'S THE FIRST DK GAME I ACTUALLY WANNA PLAY
It’s peak cinema
bold geode
I love how humor has just devolved thru the years
spiral ridge
DK actually don't look bad and also
The hot monkey girl <:Wolfe_Hello:1296208163...
???
spiral ridge
I love how humor has just devolved thru the years
Brainrot
Pay attention to the rot part
bold geode
My brain has rotted
spiral ridge
I wanna play DK bad too Tbf
tranquil kraken
Do U mean Poppy Kong
bold geode
Show pic
spiral ridge
Ofc Ili knows which is hottest
bold geode
Yeah, based Ili
tranquil kraken
spiral ridge
Oh
tranquil kraken
She’s new
spiral ridge
Mhm
bold geode
Yeah
Wifey
tranquil kraken
Fairs
bold geode
Her and TOTK Purah
spiral ridge
REALLLL
chrome knot
damn why she aura farming so hard
spiral ridge
my dad being near me while first playing TOTK was something
spiral ridge
damn why she aura farming so hard
She do be a diva
bold geode
my dad being near me while first playing TOTK was something
He just gets riled up over the rabbit bitch
spiral ridge
Why would you want to leave
bold geode
monke i need music
I am a horrible recommendation
spiral ridge
He just gets riled up over the rabbit bitch
What
bold geode
to get out of this 2000s white girl pop kick
That's a bad thing?
chrome knot
Why would you want to leave
bc i dont think listening to disturbia on repeat bc it made brain rly happy bc how it sounded was a good thing
spiral ridge
ive had california girls stuck in my head for an untold amount of years
this is not an exaggeration it has never left
chrome knot
LMFAO
spiral ridge
dude why wasnt it on just dance when i streamed it to yall :(
chrome knot
i was listening to california girls asw its one of my go tos rn
chrome knot
same with call me maybe, disturbia, party in the usa
spiral ridge
SO CALL ME MAYBEEEE
bold geode
Where on the list is Bring Me to Life and Starships
spiral ridge
100 gecs has been stuck in my head lately
chrome knot
listen to underscores album wallsocket
already have
tranquil kraken
based
chrome knot
big underscores fan
tranquil kraken
even more based
chrome knot
ili im gay ofc ive listened :3
bold geode
ili im gay ofc ive listened :3
Like those memes on Tiktok
"We're gay, of course we've listened to underscores"
chrome knot
we’re costco guys
chrome knot
pls save me LMFAO
spiral ridge
save you from peak?
chrome knot
i need better music dude
spiral ridge
whats wrong with itt
chrome knot
dunno bruh
spiral ridge
if oyu want rock im always standing by tricot and rare occasions
bold geode
All I got is hip hop
spiral ridge
tricots screams and rare occasion just in general i dont find feeling elsewhere
chrome knot
im so fucking disappointed
molten oasis
She’s okay
chrome knot
i made some banger food at work but i just cant find good youtube
so now this food is meh bc no content
molten oasis
Thanks auto correct
rustic mountain
Damn, figured I’d ask but damn
just being real, i feel like a lot of insights id have wouldnt necessarily be as accurate or well informed as they need to be if im only basing it off results and hearing what other people have to say, format has undergone quite a bit of transformation since i was last engaging with it regularly battle wise which i think is by far the best way to gauge how things actual seem to feel outside placement or useage
molten oasis
Yea fair
bold geode
i made some banger food at work but i just cant find good youtube
I just if I can't find shit
I'll look up gameplay series of old games I played as a child
spiral ridge
girl doesnt wanna watch celeste speedrun i sent her smh
bold geode
Or actually anyone know MostAmazingTop10 YT channel?
spiral ridge
not at all
bold geode
They're just another top 10 YT channel like one of those format right
I have a long ass playlist where this one guy on there would do like top 10 videos and it'd be scary shit
craggy dagger
bold geode
<:NeriPeek:1140397900904546395>
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
game not for me sorry
fair enough its just fun going waow idk how theyre moving like dat
craggy dagger
sorry i’ll go 
bold geode
sorry i’ll go <:GremDead:1377042649885704282>
Come back 
spiral ridge
sorry i’ll go <:GremDead:1377042649885704282>
craggy dagger
Come back <a:spriggylobotomy:1320717923484172359>
n.o
spiral ridge
:(
molten oasis
Come back <a:spriggylobotomy:1320717923484172359>
molten oasis
Oh
<@465881273454559252> you see the Coldplay couple exposure?
I did
strong marsh
Can someone give me the best starter team for ogerpon (I’m new to PvP)
waxen dock
Can someone give me the best starter team for ogerpon (I’m new to PvP)
pvp?
there is no pvp its not minecraft
strong marsh
Pokemon vs pokemon?
waxen dock
it’s not what I want kinggg
so what do you wan't?
you said ogerpon i gave you ogerpon
waxen dock
I’m new and people say it’s the best one for people who are new
the fire one is better
bold geode
it’s not what I want kinggg
We are actively giving you teams with Ogerpon
dense latch
I’m new and people say it’s the best one for people who are new
who tf is people
the best ogerpon form usually depends on the team
you’re not gonna be building a team around ogerpon in the current format
strong marsh
who tf is people
My friends
bold geode
strong marsh
We are actively giving you teams with Ogerpon
We?
bold geode
The chat
strong marsh
the best ogerpon form usually depends on the team
you’re not gonna be building ...
Should I make a defensive team if I’m new
strong marsh
The chat
Uh I only see 1 person sending me a team
But should I make a defensive team if I’m new
Sorry for starting a problem
bold geode
Ok
So someone sent you a team with Ogerpon
And you said not it
When you asked for that
Also defensive as in how
strong marsh
Ok
So someone sent you a team with Ogerpon
And you said not it
When you asked fo...
Idk like tanky
bold geode
If you're talking stall, nah
strong marsh
If you're talking stall, nah
Nah I wanna do damage
It’s just that I wanna use follow me with ogerpon while I have a good offensive pokemon
bold geode
Then you want bulky offense, which honestly that one team they sent you achieves that very well
Have Follow Me Ogerpon and you have double Fake Out to support one of the busted restricted duos
And Ogerpon can still smack shit
Good team for new folks imo
strong marsh
Have Follow Me Ogerpon and you have double Fake Out to support one of the busted...
Can you make one for me? (Sorry for asking so many questions it’s just it’s my first time getting into competitive pokemon)
bold geode
I was finna go to bed I apologize
I was just checking in here before I did
strong marsh
Oh
strong marsh
I was finna go to bed I apologize
I was just checking in here before I did
Sorry for bothering your sleep I’m just tryna figure out how competitive pokemon works and get into master ball rank
It would be my first time getting in a global ranking
strong marsh
I was finna go to bed I apologize
I was just checking in here before I did
If you could, could you make me a team?
solid frigate
there are like
buttload of Wellspring teams you can find with Labmaus-
and like its pretty fuckin easy to build wellspring
ocean pawn
solid frigate
how did you get spored when you have miraidon-
stone trellis
You know, I find it kind of interesting that Zamazenta players think they can take a +1 Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel from FirePon.
In what world do you think you're taking that shit, bro?
Even a crit drops you the moment you're anywhere below 172 HP.
I'm around 1300 on Showdown, they should know.
But realistically speaking, right?
solid frigate
pivot is a thing
stone trellis
In what world are you taking a super effective move with around 240 BP from a Pokemon with an actual Attack stat of 151 who just got a +1 off for free?
solid frigate
I'm around 1300 on Showdown, they should know.
you'd be suprised
stone trellis
In what world are you taking a super effective move with around 240 BP from a Po...
I don't even need Whimsicott for that crap, Zama just gets cooked for free.
Was their team CSR-Zamazenta?
solid frigate
can i see your team first
cloud gyro
I don’t even remember the team now, I just remember Rilla and Porygon 2
solid frigate
I don’t even remember the team now, I just remember Rilla and Porygon 2
Trick Room then
stone trellis
Legit replace Hands with CIR and you will be cooking people.
You can use two restricted Pokemon now.
solid frigate
proceeds to have Iron Hands
stone trellis
So does CIR.
Replace Hands with it, I swear it's GOATed.
Unless you're still playing Reg G.
solid frigate
So does CIR.
i mean the only reason why Tailroom CIR got a finals Mirror Match is just Tang gang moment
stone trellis
It's goddamn Ice Rider Calyrex.
It can do almost anything it wants.
You can even go with Leech Seed to get recovery.
That's your problem.
Feel free to restrict yourself, I guess.
stone trellis
Does that work with Arubega?
He doesn't want Trick Room, so Ursaluna is out of the question.
solid frigate
Does that work with Arubega?
Arubega is dead in this format i don't know what to tell you
stone trellis
He self-admittedly runs the Arubega team.
cloud gyro
I’m not a bitch, I refuse to use Ursa. If you have to use Ursa you have no skill
stone trellis
I’m not a bitch, I refuse to use Ursa. If you have to use Ursa you have no skill
Ursaluna gets cooked by so many things.
It takes skill to not switch it right in front of a Knock Off.
solid frigate
He doesn't want Trick Room, so Ursaluna is out of the question.
https://pokepast.es/5a84a3181dfd1c2f
You can swap Ursa with Hands if you really want
stone trellis
Only if Hands moves first and Ursaluna can't go Tera Ghost.
cloud gyro
I mean my team is fine as is. I’m not worried about anything
solid frigate
i'll deal with it Paul
stone trellis
Cool.
solid frigate
its best Tera is just tera Ghost,Bug or Water for CIR matchup
its actually pretty easy to deal with
stone trellis
I get it. I refuse to run CSR too.
cloud gyro
I’m saying the ones I’ve ran into are Tera Normal, I yet have ran into a Tera Ghost Ursa
solid frigate
I’m saying the ones I’ve ran into are Tera Normal, I yet have ran into a Tera Gh...
what is your elo btw just asking
i mean i don't like playing CSR not because its no skill
Its more like i have skill issue on that restricted
i played all restricteds and i can say that case
GB1?
stone trellis
Great Ball 1.
cloud gyro
I’m playing S/V not Showdown
solid frigate
thats like
solid frigate
also playing Comp with a mindset of
This pokemon has no skill and should not play it even tho its like good
Really,and i mean REALLY hinders your way to improve
stone trellis
If you want, I'll fight you in S/V.
solid frigate
you literally said this mon has no skill-
cloud gyro
Putting Flame Orb on a Guts Ursa and Tera Normal is no skill
solid frigate
you crossed the line on Pagos
stone trellis
It's not even in the top 5.
cloud gyro
It’s the biggest pain in the ass to deal with
solid frigate
Pagos is the most mid out of every relevant restricted tf you talking about-
stone trellis
It’s the biggest pain in the ass to deal with
Iron Hands is right there.
stone trellis
And Iron Hands with access to Electric Terrain.
AV Hands cooks Pagos so hard that it isn't even a joke.
solid frigate
like i love that you glaze pagos cuz i play it before but its so fucking mid that its best showing is only in junior division
master division is only top 6
its a restricted that if you want to get top 8 and then stop
woven pelican
Are they...deleting messages?
solid frigate
*Are they...deleting messages?*
idek
woven pelican
yeah they're deleting messages
cloud gyro
This is my first exposure to comp… I am doing what I can.
Sorry I don’t no life a game and know how to build a team
solid frigate
any new player is like that, you are not like the only one struggles
solid frigate
Sorry I don’t no life a game and know how to build a team
thats like only 1% of players in VGC (Ladder Grinders)
all the comp chat helpers have a life lol
woven pelican
He's left
knotty mirage
What's happening in here
stone trellis
Considering this Whimsicott uses Tickle, I honestly couldn't have found a better OT for it.
knotty mirage
solid frigate
What's happening in here
fragile mindset ig-
gentle canyon
he glazed the turtle and yeah he kinda just told em the truth
stone trellis
Yeah, it requires quite a bit of skill to use.
gentle canyon
Everything kind of (except stall we don't talk about that)
solid frigate
Yeah, it requires quite a bit of skill to use.
arguebly more than just the better teras lmao
Cuz you forfeited a Miraidon immunity (On electric)
knotty mirage
tera normal guts facade is not no skill lmao
Fair enough not as easy too use on older reg due too much more better attack flying around now
stone trellis
arguebly more than just the better teras lmao
Cuz you forfeited a Miraidon immu...
It was probably going to click Draco into you anyway.
solid frigate
man
solid frigate
Fair enough not as easy too use on older reg due too much more better attack fly...
its harder than Bloodmoon ursa
i'd say BM ursa is easier
knotty mirage
I mean yeah BM ursa doesn't need to worry about ghost type while regilar ursa does