competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

Say less.

Who does it replace, Landorus?

[knotty mirage]

Yeah sure it immune too miraidon electric stab and caly s ghost stab so it def better overall on trick room team than lando

[stone trellis]

What set do you run?

I know that it uses the Life Orb and runs Tera Normal, but I don't know much more.

[knotty mirage]

I mean i play on cart ladder so i run it with assault vest actually

The moveset i use is blood moon,hyper voice, earth power and vacuum wave could surprise some people with it

[stone trellis]

Sounds fun.

And I see a set which can comfortably survive Draco from Specs Miraidon around 80% of the time.

This team feels great to use, honestly.
https://pokepast.es/a149ee1c1b38ea11

[knotty mirage]

If your biggest concern is draco meteor you can try tera fairy i guess with moon blast

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm just saying that it has pretty good survivability.

[knotty mirage]

Ah okay

[stone trellis]

I know it's not perfect, but it's still fun.

I don't know if there's any particularly bad MUs this team has.

[knotty mirage]

Just wondering about that team if youre using trick room why you give caly ice 4 speed investment ?

[stone trellis]

To avoid speed tying with other base 50s who have 0 EVs in Speed outside of TR.

I wish Cornerstone Ogerpon could learn Wide Guard.

[stone trellis]

I clutched this so hard.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402493174

[heady onyx]

doesnt sound too comfy if you're living only 20% of the times

means you invested a lot of EVs for no much gains

[next stump]

they said they're living 80% of the time

[heady onyx]

barring crit and high roll ?

[stone trellis]

Barring those, it's living every time.

[next stump]

living 75%+ of the time against a 90% accurate move is really great odds

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[stone trellis]

My team is staight ragebait.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402549705

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402563897

[toxic scarab]

is NDM any good in vgc

[stone trellis]

I don't know, honestly.

[foggy lodge]

Lunala is better

[toxic scarab]

it is but is there ANY use for NDM

they took the fair and balanced ultra necrozma away from us

[stone trellis]

I guess it could work in a hard TR team.

[stone trellis]

Me when 252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Tera Stellar Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Necrozma-Ultra: 234-281 (114.7 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO:

[toxic scarab]

tera stellar in the big 25

pack it up

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-patrick-bateman-patrick-spongebob-meme-spongebob-gif-14656641205217580528

[toxic scarab]

idk about you but i hold off using ultra burst to get one dragon dance

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 103-123 (50.7 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

then u ultra burst and remove it from existence

[stone trellis]

That's not Life Orb or Tera Dark, is it?

[toxic scarab]

wait

[stone trellis]

Also, here's an even funnier counterpoint.

[toxic scarab]

252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Tera Stellar Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 179-214 (88.1 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

impish shuts this down

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane on a critical hit: 204-243 (100 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Turns out, Chien was not the best NDM counter.

[toxic scarab]

💔

[foggy lodge]

Uhhh

[toxic scarab]

let necrozma stand up one more time

[foggy lodge]

A year ago it made top 4 at Japan nats with hard trick room

But it was japan nats it's a bo1 cts tournament

https://youtu.be/eOvJwMzR_rk

[stone trellis]

I feel like this is going to be a Big Six situation all over again.

[toxic scarab]

explain?

[stone trellis]

Six very powerful Pokemon are put together on a team in a double restricted meta and they cover each other so well, that it ends up dominating the format.

[toxic scarab]

ik what a big six but what were the pokemon

[stone trellis]

Primal Groudon, Xerneas, Mega Salamence, Mega Kangaskhan, Bronzong/Talonflame and Smeargle.

[toxic scarab]

ah ok

[toxic scarab]

better than gen 2 OU where you must run snorlax

or 1

[stone trellis]

Oh, you're a singles player?

[toxic scarab]

i play both

mainly singles

[stone trellis]

Welcome back, MDB.

[toxic scarab]

😭

not to brag but im on the top 500 for gen 2 and gen 1 OU

https://pokepast.es/e8f9f8629b857bf2 check it gng

[waxen dock]

im in top 500 with both my main and alt in bo1 ladder

[toxic scarab]

nice

gen 2 OU is so fun

[waxen dock]

which people actually play

bo1 is the second or third most popular format in showdown i think

[next stump]

vgc ladders are kinda dead nowadays

[chrome knot]

mario kart ladder is pretty alive tho

[molten oasis]

My ladder experience today has been: eject button and mental herb Deedee, maushold, toedscuel weezing CSR Korai, and only CIR tr teams besides that.

[stone trellis]

Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu in rain kills everything (2025, colourised)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402645899

[molten oasis]

However, progress

[stone trellis]

Sweet.

[stone trellis]

This is why giving it Band was a good call.

If I could give it Tailwind support, it'd literally be unstoppable.

[solid frigate]

i can't unhear Drago say this after that Username

"It's Over Anakin, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND"

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

Me no have Switch 2

[solid frigate]

Me no have Switch 2

[bold geode]

Perfect time for me to become #1

[rustic mountain]

wb for donkey kong game

[bold geode]

I would but I'm broke

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I've been watching some streamers play online and I saw a lot of VGC people lol

[chrome knot]

what where

[still ridge]

https://pokepast.es/246d29951ff878b0

Any suggestions for a 2nd legendary to use on this team for Reg I? This is my old team, just coming back to doubles (primarily playing for master ball rank, not hyper competitive)

[next stump]

caly shadow over ceruledge and you’ve got a team that can get to master ball pretty much

[bold geode]

Yeah
Latias is a lil weird but
It can probably hit master ball

Also damn my auto correct

[shadow wind]

Well I was T100 on the Bo3 ladder but the gods were not having it

4 Landorus in a row

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, a Groudon player with bad luck?

Who would've guessed?

[still ridge]

@next stump @bold geode ironically latias and ceruledge are 2 that I wanted to keep for sure, I was more on the fence about iron bundle, landorus and rillaboom - I feel like rilla is necessary just for the terrain setting against miraidon teams. I mainly wasn't sure if there's any of the legendaries that have a broken synergy with zama or something else I don't know about

[next stump]

Caly shadow has the best inherent synergy with Zama, but having two ghost types isn’t the best usually

If you’re set on Ceruledge, I’d probably look elsewhere for a different restricted

[still ridge]

Yeah I probably wouldn't pick caly-S if I wanted ceruledge, I like ceru and latias as defensive pivots for zama, latias hard counters urshifu and ceruledge hard counters a lot of meta pokemon I see a lot

[stone trellis]

Rapid Urshifu, right?

[still ridge]

primarily yeah, can safely pivot into it

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I usually think of Darkshifu when people simply say "Urshifu".

So I was kinda horrified.

[still ridge]

I'm just going off of pikalytics, it says rapid urshi is 2nd most played at ~38% of meta, dark urshi if only like 5%

[tiny karma]

Move: Strength Sap

Lowers the target's Attack by 1 stage. The user restores its HP equal to the target's Attack stat calculated with its stat stage before this move was used. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down. Fails if the target's Attack stat stage is -6.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

uh

How do I calc strength sap recovery?

[stone trellis]

What's the Attack stat of the target?

[still ridge]

Do you mean does it check the attack before or after the attack reduction?

[stone trellis]

It checks the Attack stat before it gets lowered by a stage.

[still ridge]

Yeah, wasn't sure what he meant with the question, it checks the targets current attack, heals you by that amount, then lowers the targets attack by 1 stage

[turbid birch]

Literally every match I’ve played since i made into master ball tier… I’ve lost.

maybe it’s time to switch up the team

[chrome knot]

keep gambling

[turbid birch]

Maybe i somehow got dumber or the ppl are better

[turbid birch]

i might

[bold geode]

Me sitting at the UNO tables later

[glad tulip]

Hear me out

Is there any possible way

Of making a team with cramorant

[still ridge]

For stomping tantrum dealing double damage, if you wide-guard a teammate or have a levitate/flying when using earthquake, does that double stomping tantrum next turn even if the earthquake hit both opponents previously?

[tiny karma]

Move: Stomping Tantrum

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

the wide guard interaction is definitely a no

if you press EQ and your flying partner dodges, pretty sure EQ still counts as a successful move

[solid frigate]

probably not

its fine in randbats but like

[glad tulip]

Rip

[foggy lodge]

I think is the same as hitting a protect

The move technically hits ir just didn't deal damage

[jade dust]

Why is caly shadow Dondozo teams so hard to beat for my team?

I spend a lot of resources to beat caly shadow and then Dondozo becomes impossible to beat

But if I don’t use resources I lose to caly shadow straight up

[next stump]

what is your team?

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/b18cabe0e78dbbb5

[next stump]

is it specifically CSR/weezing/dozo?

[jade dust]

Those are the most common yes

I usually set trick room and have caly ice deal with weezing and caly shadow

But I can’t avoid to take damage so Dondozo can pick it up easily

Then when I switch in Miraidon or iron hands it uses Tera grass

[next stump]

something like Lance + Foul Play into CSR turn 1 seems pretty safe

and then miraidon/bundle in the back

oh wait you're icy/taunt

nvm

probably hands yeah

or ogerpon-fire even

[jade dust]

Draco meteor doesn’t do enough to Dondozo

[next stump]

yeah but they're not 1 shotting you back

mmm actually idk I'm not sure how much EQ does

[foggy lodge]

Shouldn't kill

[jade dust]

Another issue is they can protect and cuz I have specs I can’t bait them to not tera

[foggy lodge]

It should be a 2HKO

[jade dust]

Oh also

About that

The def boosting order up

[foggy lodge]

Also ice beam bundle actually helps a lot into Dozo

[jade dust]

Ogerpon and hands don’t deal much damage

Even if super effective

[foggy lodge]

Because Dozo has like double def than sp def

[jade dust]

Hmm

Yeah true tho then I give up taunt?

[foggy lodge]

Give up hydropump

[jade dust]

It’s very useful to have a fast taunt

[next stump]

I think your line is CIR/Farig lead, Bundle or Ogerpon/Mirai in the back

[foggy lodge]

I don't see what hydropump does for bundle in this format

[next stump]

you're 2 shotting Dozo with Draco and it doesn't matter if they yera

tera*

[jade dust]

And misses half of the time

I’m thinking freeze dry as well

[foggy lodge]

The only argument for freeze dry would be waterpon

[jade dust]

It’s weaker but effective even if they don’t tera

[foggy lodge]

Because waterpon is actually picking up in usage

But otherwise ice beam is just better because you have Miraidon Firepon and Hands so they should be scared to create a pin of tera grass

Something like volt switch + ice beam punishes both options

[jade dust]

Yeah that’s actually a good option

Alright thanks I’ll try ice beam

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroad.pro/vr-jul25-2/

Ayo what?????

Why did they remove the VR winner

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah it's cooked right now

Something about cheating is what I heard

But they also just voided the prize money

[solid frigate]

moment

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Do you have anything regarding that?

[rustic mountain]

conner: trust me bro

[next stump]

the only ways you can really cheat are ghosting/having someone else play for you, right?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[solid frigate]

his sauce:Trust me bro

[next stump]

crazy work to do that in VR

[rustic mountain]

yea wild if tru

not sure what sense of accomplishment one gets from not actually accomplishing it themselves

[solid frigate]

the title ig

[shadow wind]

Not even a little bit

[rustic mountain]

titles mean nothing wen u didnt actually do anything, can potentially fool other ppl but u can never fool urself

[shadow wind]

I was in a call with some guys earlier and they were talking about it and that's all I know

[rustic mountain]

like i said his source trust me bro

[solid frigate]

tbf people these days think really weirdly

so idk

but i don't really care rn

[rustic mountain]

damn

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah there's zero credibility to it

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[shadow wind]

Hey at least I say it how it is

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402913021-pvt0edg2vdm7tn6wtw2ft67pevhcdrxpw

Holy fucking shit

How did Dondozo survive that

[shadow wind]

My two most broken restricteds of all time both died turn 1 😢

[foggy lodge]

Maybe streaming matches with other people

But idk does playing on stream and chat count as that???

Because then a lot of people would have also been DQd at all the VRs

[jade dust]

How much def Dondozo has

[foggy lodge]

115

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 977: Dondozo

Type

Water

Abilities

Unaware, Oblivious, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/115/65/65/35

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.2

[jade dust]

150 HP

Still

[jade dust]

This is illegal

[shadow wind]

It's unaware

[jade dust]

Probably

[shadow wind]

Whatchu mean probably

[jade dust]

Well yes has to be

But 38% HP and lives a Tera fire Ivy cudgel

Doesn’t sound right

[shadow wind]

It's +2 defense

[jade dust]

Fair I guess

Much more def than Zama

[shadow wind]

Well it has 50 more HP

And unaware

[jade dust]

I sometimes forget it has unaware

No wonder an effective glacial lance does low damage as well

I forget my boosts dont matter

[shadow wind]

Iron hands taking 80% from a tera fairy +1 Lunala Moonblast will never not be funny

[waxen dock]

You got 1 of the lowest roles

[jade dust]

Cuz its fat as fuck

Accurate for its design

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-hyacine-ica-fat-chonk-gif-12861512895140175077

[jade dust]

Yee bad luck

[dense latch]

i remember in mdb’s stream ppl were talking about how no one knew the guy, he had 0 games on showdown, no twitter, etc. idk if carlos is even real

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that also seemed weird to me

Dude comes out of nowhere and wins a very prestigious tournament

Its very weird

And no social media or anything to know them too

Maybe its someone alting to prep for worlds

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/d299ac5c712d1b4d also milotic raichu team finally out

[dense latch]

it’s the most likely scenario imo

[shadow wind]

Erik you dabble in the OMs right?

[stone trellis]

Is this another 33-4 situation or...?

[dense latch]

yeah

[shadow wind]

Have you tried full potential?

[dense latch]

not yet

i saw the overview and it seemed kinda interesting

[shadow wind]

I'm having a blast with it

AV Regice gaming

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/DwnWpXB2RIA?si=JZa7WzdB9Culz1lF

Some Cresselias were very high on showdown ladder too

[stone trellis]

Shit, so the MCVA initiative is going well after all.

[waxen dock]

which team is better?

https://pokepast.es/2a8b7a8495e2e41e

or this https://pokepast.es/906b11a0d737de03

basicly rilla or amonguss

because rilla allows me to deal better with tera water and water mons

and amonguss is good in tr and can do sleep and redirection

[next stump]

I think I prefer Rillaboom on paper

[waxen dock]

and also rilla can counter kyogre

[chrome knot]

rilla is the goat for everything

[stone trellis]

Rilla and WaterPon, my favorite Kyogre killers.

[waxen dock]

252+ Atk Tera Water Sword of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyogre in Rain on a critical hit: 159-189 (90.8 - 108%) -- 41.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Tera Stellar Sword of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 220-260 (106.2 - 125.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[stone trellis]

Band does even more.

[waxen dock]

maybe i should use tera stellar?

[stone trellis]

Tera Stellar is fine on Focus Sash sets.

[waxen dock]

but banded can't outspeed calyrex shadow and ohko it

[stone trellis]

My brother in Christ, you have PRANKSTER TAILWIND.

[waxen dock]

but nowadays a lot of calyrex teams have tailwind

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

Regardless, never go for Tera Stellar.

Unless you have a Sash on.

[waxen dock]

but it can ohko kyogre

[stone trellis]

And?

Urshifu always has to make a choice.

You have to choose between speed and power.

[waxen dock]

but tera stellar allows both

[stone trellis]

Yeah, except Tera Stellar needs to ensure that a stray Psychic won't OHKO it in the case where CSR outspeeds.

[chrome knot]

@bold geode i wanna play next format

[waxen dock]

remember i have tailwind

[stone trellis]

So does the opponent.

[waxen dock]

but urshifu outspeeds calyrex

[stone trellis]

And what if your TW setter gets knocked out and you're in an endgame with their TW setter and CSR?

Do you just pray for a misclick?

[waxen dock]

bact to the og question should i use rilla or amonguss?

[bold geode]

I do and don't at the same time

Like I actually like this format but I'm also very interested to see what direction they're gonna go

[chrome knot]

i hate this format

i haven’t touched pokemon since naic lol

[next stump]

don’t use stellar on a choice item set

especially urshifu

the niche ability to OHKO some stuff with close combat stellar boosted is heavily outweighed by the consistency of being able to click multiple surging strikes + drop fairy/psychic weakness

[stone trellis]

That's what I'm saying.

[chrome knot]

tera fighting for fun keep psychic fairy weakness

[bold geode]

I mean to each their own

[chrome knot]

need something fresh

that doesn’t involve restricteds

[bold geode]

Say you hate Calyrex Shadow Rider without saying you hate Calyrex Shadow Rider

[waxen dock]

ok but should i use rilla or amonguss?

[dense minnow]

is duskmane usable?

[stone trellis]

Everyone's usable. Most aren't good.

DM is one of the not good ones.

[chrome knot]

i almost exclusively used csr in reg i

i just didn’t like the pacing in games for this format

[bold geode]

Pacing is a bit weird I'll give ya that

[chrome knot]

insane snowball gameplay

where reg h i could take my time

one wrong step and the game is over in this format

[dense minnow]

whats a good zama set

[stone trellis]

The standard set is something like 100 HP / 4 Atk / 236 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe with an Impish Nature.

Its moves are Body Press, Behemoth Bash (or Heavy Slam if you want to gamble), Wide Guard and Protect.

As for the Tera Type, it depends.

[left bobcat]

Behemoth bash is insane

I always thought it was heavy slam> behemoth bash

[stone trellis]

Yeah, until you're facing down Groudon.

[foggy lodge]

Against groudon you just body press

[stone trellis]

Or literally anyone who weighs more than 200 kg.

[foggy lodge]

Is better into CIR

And really the only reason for bash is CIR

And Amoonguss

[stone trellis]

Why, does Bash avoid contact?

[foggy lodge]

No

It just does more damage to CIR

Heavy slam is better into Lunala and Amoonguss and bash is better into CIR and Miraidon

[stone trellis]

The way you phrased this made me think that Bash was better into Amoonguss.

[left bobcat]

Just use body press atp

[lost sun]

y would u not body press groudon

more damage and it's standard tera doesn't resist

[stone trellis]

I don't know, man.

[left bobcat]

EXACTLY MAN JUST DO AS I SAY

I’m kidding

[stone trellis]

Calm down, brother.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah mb

[stone trellis]

Anyway, since I'm tired of Zamazenta players thinking they have the advantage just because of "the pressure", I'm going to put Feint on a Pokemon in my team.

Preferrably Raichu because it laughs in Miraidon's face.

And it has one of the fastest Fake Outs in the format.

[left bobcat]

Rhyperior or however u spell it

[stone trellis]

Rhyperior isn't doing shit on a rain team.

I don't trust it.

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/f55d76fb62925e7f

[stone trellis]

It doesn't even get Feint.

[foggy lodge]

Evs of the VR winner team that didn't win?

[left bobcat]

I still dong trust scarf miraidon

[lost sun]

wb hitmontop for wide guard and intimidate

[stone trellis]

This could actually work outside of a rain team.

[foggy lodge]

Mienshao is the better option

[left bobcat]

When I used scarf miraidon it wasn’t getting the job done it’s better off with specs or LORB

[foggy lodge]

Shits into Incin, faster fake out, inner focus to completely avoid fake out games and has wide guard

And taunt

[stone trellis]

I need Fe(i)nt, not Wide Guard.

[lost sun]

added bonus for zama

[foggy lodge]

It also has feint xd

[lost sun]

I mean csr

[foggy lodge]

And its one of its most popular moves

[stone trellis]

Holy shit, I'm using Mien right now.

[foggy lodge]

Its like fake out, cc, wide guard and then a support move between knock off, feint or taunt

[stone trellis]

What item does it run?

[lost sun]

check munchstats

[stone trellis]

Sash works.

[foggy lodge]

Always sash

Is its only good item

And tera ghost/tera fighting

Tera ghost walls Terapagos with wide guard

[stone trellis]

I just don't know if it's good with CIR.

[foggy lodge]

And avoids to fake out breaking the sash

And tera fighting if you just want more damage

[foggy lodge]

I think its decent

[stone trellis]

It's almost always Tera Ghost on Fake Out users.

[foggy lodge]

Mienshao usually breaks the rule tho

The most popular was tera fighting

James Baek used tera ghost for the Pagos MU

[stone trellis]

I just don't want to use CSR.

You know?

Now the question is: What kind of team does Mienshao fit on?

[bold geode]

Zamazenta is the new Mienshao, get fucked

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/2a8b7a8495e2e41e should i use rilla or amonguss in this team?

[stone trellis]

Man, imagine a world where Alcremie had Amoonguss' bulk.

Blocking Spore or Taunt by just being there and not even needing to wage terrain wars is great and it has a decent move pool.

[torn dew]

https://pokepast.es/1e059f6421b02578

Is this team worth making in Scarlet?

[stone trellis]

1. Why is Iron Hands not minimum Speed?
2. Why is Amoonguss Impish? Pollen Puff can be an offensive move too.
3. Same with Iron Hands, why is Ursaluna not min Speed?
4. Miraidon still has 4 EVs left.

[torn dew]

What nature on amoonguss is better?

Calm?

[stone trellis]

Bold or Calm, yes.

And the ideal Amoonguss should also be 0 Attack to cut the damage from Foul Play.

[torn dew]

Kk

https://pokepast.es/c7ffd20cc0ac90c8

Is it better now?

[solid frigate]

also amoonguss likes covert cloak and Rocky helm over black sludge(After Tera it will damage itself)

[torn dew]

I got covert on whismicott

So Rocky helmet

[stone trellis]

You might also want to change Heavy Slam and use Drain Punch instead.

[torn dew]

If i do it i have no counter to flutter mane

[stone trellis]

Ursaluna hits Ghost types.

[torn dew]

Right

I forgot bout that

[stone trellis]

It's fine.

[foggy lodge]

Not taking edrift with lefties CIR is kind of a throw

It needs bulk

[bold geode]

If you have both Ursa and Hands, you probably might consider not having one of em be min speed that way you're not speed tying your own Pokemon

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2403228927

Rilla fucking piece of shit

Fuck that monkey

[bold geode]

1. Ursaluna Bloodmoon should be max speed modest at least since you have Tailroom, no min speed
2. Brave Ice Rider with no IV manip is weird, I'd just go Adamant at that point
3. Black Sludge and Foul Play on Amoonguss is also a sell, Protect and another item like Rocky is way better

Also no Drain Punch Hands is not it

[torn dew]

https://pokepast.es/619fce7398934821

Is it better?

[bold geode]

Protect over Foul Play on the shroom and we good

[waxen dock]

Swap farig with amonguss and it would be much better

[bold geode]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhh
It's fine

[torn dew]

Amoonguss is here to make safe trick room with ice rider

And also it can heal others

And itself

[bold geode]

Yeah it's fine

You just want Protect over Foul Play

[waxen dock]

Incinerorar fake outa you and you are done

[bold geode]

Not really no

You can choose a slot and do something either way

[torn dew]

https://pokepast.es/39af42e713636ef6

[waxen dock]

You also have 4 tr mons

[chrome knot]

@bold geode

[bold geode]

Yes

[chrome knot]

idk

[bold geode]

LMAO

[waxen dock]

I think you should uae also more faster mons like ogerpon

[chrome knot]

just wanted to bug u ,,, i getting food atm

[bold geode]

Real

I think the Amoongus is fine

[chrome knot]

amongus

[bold geode]

EMMA NO

[chrome knot]

sus…

[torn dew]

This is such a old meme

[chrome knot]

r u sus

[bold geode]

Oh nah

[chrome knot]

LMAO god we needa be killed

[bold geode]

The rot is taking hold

[chrome knot]

monke i got laser today i look so silly

[waxen dock]

Farigiraf and ogerpon are important because the only thing amomguss can do is rediraction

[bold geode]

As in surgery or fucking around with a pointer

[chrome knot]

surgery

laser hail removal :3

[bold geode]

Why was hail on you? Bad weather

[chrome knot]

oh

yeah im alolan ninetales

[bold geode]

"I got surgery to buff my weather"

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/2a8b7a8495e2e41e is amonguss better than rilla on this team?

[next stump]

mate you've asked that question 5 times today

i said rilla earlier, have you tested either option?

[torn dew]

Just try it and see

[craggy dagger]

what

[solid frigate]

amogus

[torn dew]

How to change Tera type?

[next stump]

50 tera shards of the type you want to become

take it to the soup kitchen restaurant place (forget the towns name)

[torn dew]

Kk

[craggy dagger]

it’s the one where you fight larry for the first time

that’s how i remember it

[torn dew]

Is anyone here that could help me in finding raids

Tera raid channel is dead i think

[solid frigate]

is that really a soup kitchen tho lmao

[torn dew]

Soup from shards is really delicious

[torn dew]

Maybe he cooks like Heisenberg

Blue shard

[craggy dagger]

i just assumed it would be like spices we find

spices so good that they’d change your dna in some way so that you can tera into a different type-

[split wharf]

Is there any teams running Espartha as the “carry”

[lean ridge]

Not in reg I unfortunately

[magic sierra]

https://pokepast.es/6ff7942ec6cae6a4

Can someone rate this? tried to make a team with my fav legends as an aswer to most teams. Only drawback is priority blocks. The only stuff I'm not wholly a fan of is the genies.

[next stump]

the 6 pokémon you chose are pretty good

the moves need some tweaking

[magic sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ca2ed8b7a0c0f02d, just noticed Landorus wasn't done XD

[next stump]

looks pretty solid to me, might be worth considering scarf lando for its ability to pin down certain pokemon

[magic sierra]

dammit pokepast XD Moves are weird XD

[next stump]

did you manually type it in?

[magic sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ca2ed8b7a0c0f02d

Built it on the team builder for showdown, then imported it.

[next stump]

ah okay, I’ve never seen it lower case before

or maybe I’m just having a brain fart

[magic sierra]

Normally, tailwind is up. life orb doesn't get recoil with sheer force.

locking in a scarf when I already outspeed then feels funny XD

If something somehow does outspeed, urshifu/Zacian can chase it

[lean ridge]

How well does ur team do vs TR?

I’ve run a Kyogre zacian team as well before and I’ve always had problems whenever I run into trick room

[magic sierra]

I'd recommend taunt then somehow, Psychic surge blocks it though thanks to prankster on tornadus, so put taunt on landorus?

[gentle crag]

kirisulanceloy has given 1 Gen Rep to tunisian

[magic sierra]

Sandshear or taunt

[lean ridge]

Yea I feel like having taunt could be nice but I’m no vgc expert so I’m not sure if there is a better way to deal with trickroom

I tried using taunt torn when I ran Kyogre zacian but yea it gets blocked by farig and indeedee

[torn dew]

Use taunt on pokemon with prankster

Like tornadus or whismicott

[magic sierra]

That being said, you'll hit like a truck on turn one. Taunt is the main one, as priority is blocked my Farigiraf/Indeedee-F terrain.
Have taunt on the non prankster boi and you'll outspeed anyway.

Also, Farigiraf and psychic terrain blocks priority moves, especially with prankster

Two trick room backbones

I definitely don't run trick room without them XD. Blocks Espeed, prankster and fakeout.

[lean ridge]

Yea I feel like it would be better run on lando as well

But honestly whenever I ran into TR with a similar team I’d just lead Kyogre torn and try and nuke it with water spout

[shadow wind]

My goats made 6th place 🥹

Whoa wait

GROUDON HAD MORE USAGE THAN KYOGRE

🙏

[molten oasis]

More reason to not play zacogre

[shadow wind]

I'm so happy right now

Now trying to figure out non AV Hands evs

[magic sierra]

Literally the only thing I have to be wary of as trick room.

I even made a bait n switch trick room team just for that. Hasn't failed once except actual walls. Everyone sees Miraidon and paniks, then trick room is up. XD
https://pokepast.es/a9724d0dbaaf3796

[magic sierra]

I CAN AND I WILL

[shadow wind]

🫡

[magic sierra]

Tbf, it was zama first, but Koraidon/Miraidon made me rethink that real quick XD

[molten oasis]

Oh I was saying for myself

But I’m mostly trying to find the restricted piece that fits Zac pao best

And I think kyogre is kinda eh rn

[magic sierra]

Tailwind go brrrr

[magic sierra]

TAILWIND GO BRRRR

[shadow wind]

Thunderclap/Glide moment

[magic sierra]

Grass tera moment

[shadow wind]

Got me there

I hate it when they click tera grass and instantly win

@molten oasis https://pokepast.es/5897803e53f6f775 does anything look off?

[magic sierra]

Calyrex fire is funnier when they aimed a steel beam at it XD

[shadow wind]

The hands set is experimental

[turbid birch]

[molten oasis]

…life orb?

[shadow wind]

Well I can't have 2 AVs

[turbid birch]

omg ur running av miriadon

[shadow wind]

And like I said, experimental

[torn dew]

I would change with miraidon

[turbid birch]

twins

[molten oasis]

Experiment ig

[torn dew]

Miraidon lo
Iron hands assult vest

[molten oasis]

Eseed is also off the table, hm

[shadow wind]

I would just run specs Miraidon atp

[molten oasis]

LORB Mirai sucks just do specs

[shadow wind]

Yup

Tera electric specs does seem like a real threat

[magic sierra]

Specs miraidon, fairy tera and dazzling gleam hits like a truck

Especially with helping hand.

[torn dew]

That's true

[shadow wind]

I feel like my recent teams have been missing a cheese factor

[torn dew]

I solo Some teams like that

[shadow wind]

And now Miraidon fills that

[shadow wind]

I swear to god Landorus is on every single team

[molten oasis]

I won my first game because of groudon missing lol

[molten oasis]

Tf lmao

[shadow wind]

Hey !

That's my gimmick !

Actually

I did see a guy on Bo3 ladder at 1800

Using Groudon CIR

But they also had smeargle

So it's like 50/50 respect from me

[molten oasis]

lol

[molten oasis]

Ofc my moves refuse to hit when it matters

Thanks guys, fucking awesome

[daring merlin]

No P Blade spam?

[shadow wind]

Why would that mean they aren't running pblades

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I think the current OM might be my favourite

[rustic mountain]

for any1 interested, idk if this was discussed earlier but the reason that the winner of the recent vr was dq'd is they have a policy against alts and the person who won was on one so they enforced it towards some1 who didnt wanna reveal themselves (funny part is ppl know who it is anyway)

[shadow wind]

And it's so weird how alts aren't allowed

[rustic mountain]

eh yea i kinda get it but kinda dnt

like technically it is their policy but in the case of trynna get practice for worlds but not want ppl to know ur sauce, i think an alts fine

wolfey got dq'd too for not wanting to reveal himself for day 2 (presumably wolfe literally running covert cloak lunala which he ran at naic)

so if not him some random player that did well that so happened to pick up a team nobody else seems to be

[shadow wind]

Cloak CM Lunala?

[bold geode]

Oh Wolfe got DQ'd this VR?

[rustic mountain]

not officially but people speculating

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1945365317141541293

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

🚨 New #PlayPokemon Regional-level events have been added to the lists for North America & Europe!

▶️ 17–18 Jan 2026: 🇨🇦 Toronto
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▶️ 6–7 Jun 2026: 🇮🇹 Turin (Special)

🔗 All events of the 2026 season: https://t.co/m7Cgs0EeOE

X · Jul 16, 2025, 6:10 AM

[stone trellis]

I have a Calyrex with exactly 2 IVs in Speed.

Time for the forbidden tech.

[next stump]

lets goooo Toronto getting another tournament

[balmy glen]

it’s not Wolfe

[balmy glen]

nope lol

[chrome knot]

in the middle of january.

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

hi

[bold geode]

Damn

[chrome knot]

no it was oliver eskolin lol

way less interesting

[bold geode]

Lol

The guy that got DQ'd going into Day 2 or the guy that won

[stone trellis]

I love ragebaiting people with this team, man.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2403754151

It's not perfect, but it's great at making people rage quit.

[chrome knot]

guy that won

[balmy glen]

won

[chrome knot]

keanu are u goin to any regs past vegas?

[bold geode]

I see

[waxen dock]

did you guys sign up for the smogon tour?

[balmy glen]

yup road to getting my 7th custom

7th times the charm for it being a personal

[balmy glen]

prob

my parents wanted to go to Mexico so might go to one of those

[dense latch]

damn where are you getting all those from
NPA?

[balmy glen]

mix of DOU/VGC and the two free ones from NPA

I’ll basically get 3 per year automatically cuz NPA + my DOU World Cup team is too broken

[waxen dock]

7th?!

i don't even have one

[balmy glen]

the first is always the hardest

after you get one it’s free

then you just collect them atp

[dense latch]

already 500+ signups for the smogon tour

[balmy glen]

damn that’s it

[chrome knot]

the one emily got for winning npa was cute

[dense latch]

there's still some time tbf

but you'd think a tour like this would have more ppl

[balmy glen]

which NPA

[chrome knot]

most recent

[balmy glen]

The Kakashi one?

[chrome knot]

ya

[balmy glen]

I didn’t like it but mostly because they pasted old art and tweaked small stuff

So like I saw it before, I just don’t really like my avys matching or similar to other peeps idk

[chrome knot]

puppies avatar

[balmy glen]

ye ik

[chrome knot]

whidh is why irs silly

[balmy glen]

their artist pasted old models 💔

[chrome knot]

ripp

i gotta lock in for silly custom avatars when im better bc plza emma w/ her lucario sounds cute

[dense latch]

i almost never even face ppl with custom avatars

only mdb when i play him in the randomized metas

[waxen dock]

how do they even create the custom avatars?

[next stump]

is smogon tour reg I or an older format?

[dense latch]

reg i

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-vgc-live-tour-2025-signups.3767449/

[next stump]

that might explain low turnout, almost everyone I know has stopped playing outside of fun teams that pop up

pokemon presents + new format on the 31st means Reg I is dead to everyone outside of true grinders + worlds players

[dense latch]

o yea new format soon i totally forgot

that's pretty hype

[foggy lodge]

For my chronically online ass is still alive (unfortunately)

[next stump]

yeah I am very very curious to see what they do

the only path with more power is introducing mythicals, so my guess is they go backwards agai

again*

but we will see

[foggy lodge]

Maybe they throw us the middle finger and is reg I again

But I hope is either a rerun of old format or we go into champions

[bold geode]

I have work at 11 that day but it starts at 8
Do I sign up and try to play a few rounds?

[waxen dock]

i just hope they won't be doing mythicals

[dense latch]

reg h runback wouldnt be too farfetched

[bold geode]

@balmy glen what we thinkin

[next stump]

worst case scenario is reg G rerun

[dense latch]

please no

[bold geode]

I will paint a rat yellow and hold that bitch hostage if they do that

[next stump]

it's simultaneously very fun and very stressful being part of the comp pokemon world waiting for all these announcements

like SO much news will be dropped within just 2 weeks

[dense latch]

personally hope we get some of the older formats like reg f or c with the new mons back

i didnt get to play those formats bc i started late

[next stump]

stretch it to one month and we will get more info at worlds as well

[waxen dock]

nah reg g was good

[next stump]

not for the 3rd time

[foggy lodge]

Goated format

But yeah 3rd run would be so horrible

[waxen dock]

maybe 2nd run for reg h?

or reg f

[foggy lodge]

If they do a rerun it would probably be reg H

[bold geode]

Reg G second time was kinda cheeks

[foggy lodge]

Its the format people most liked

[bold geode]

First time though
Gas

[bold geode]

I want Reg F again so bad

[foggy lodge]

And I think it still has some things to develop

[stone trellis]

I first started playing VGC during Reg G's second run, right after San Antonio.

[foggy lodge]

That format ended with Wolfey's perish win

[next stump]

Reg H was like a breath of fresh air for a lot of people

[stone trellis]

Who knows, it might end with another one.

[next stump]

Because that transition from stronger pokemon to weak pokemon normally only happens between games

[waxen dock]

my first vgc experience was right at the begining of reg g/the end of reg f but i really started to play vgc at the start of june 2024

[next stump]

and I'd bet like 50%+ of current VGC players had never experienced going from strong to weak since SV is their first games

[waxen dock]

wdym?

[next stump]

the regular path of formats always introduces more powerful pokemon with every changing ruleset, the main exception to that being when pokemon switches between games (AKA SW/SH to S/V) because all the legendaries are banned again

TPCI created that same feeling of excitement again when they went from Reg G to Reg H where all the "good" stuff was banned and a lot of players really like low power formats

[waxen dock]

i thing reg h should have been before reg f

[next stump]

and most people never played VGC before SV, so they have never experienced that feeling of going backwards in power

[waxen dock]

so worlds would have been reg f

but that would make reg g twice in a row

[stone trellis]

I was 3-2 against a Grimmsnarl and a Pelipper.

Their Pelipper crit my Urshifu with a Hurricane and I lost the game.

It was my one way out.

252+ SpA Life Orb Pelipper Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 116 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 138-164 (78.4 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Even though I was at 90%, I still had a pretty good chance at surviving.

[chrome knot]

@next stump theres a chance in couple years ill be a local

for now ill be semi regular

so see u soon when season starts lmao

[next stump]

welcome 😄

[dense latch]

<@&663761167176433665>

[gentle crag]

🔨 Banned danvilima indefinitely

[wild depot]

did u ddays

[stark kindle]

Yeah

[wild depot]

kk i was just typing it out

tyty

[stark kindle]

[chrome knot]

yippeeee

not helpful but, ill be in town over worlds to watch with kat, if u guys have doubleheaders im sure ill be there :3

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/546637dd8f367091 these 4 are doing well, i played like 50 games with them and brought them to almost every game. I like calm mind kyogre its nice. However i was playing with wellspring and moon and they we're kinda eh, and im struggling with mirai incin CIR, sun, and fast encore kinda stuff, i was wondering if we knew of some options that could help with that?

[dense latch]

idk if it’s the direction you want to take the team, but as a cir mirai incin player torn is super oppresive

cant get faked out, taunts cir, lets some kyogre outspeed my mirai even with scarf

[molten oasis]

CIR wants to see torn on lead

cuz its a completely free boost

[dense latch]

it doesn’t get to fully take advantage of it since the rest of the team usually resists glacial

mine is tera fire so it makes kyogre a bit trickier

[molten oasis]

its also calm mind ogre

[dense latch]

yea it still gets to do good damage anyways but the taunt goes a long way to keep speed control and just overwhelm

[molten oasis]

torn teams usually dont do that

idk its a weird direction

[dense latch]

yea i was unsure myself but idk that much about cm ogre comps in reg i

some other form of speed control would be nice

[craggy dagger]

mickeyyyy

[stark kindle]

Halllooo

[craggy dagger]

hru doing

[stark kindle]

Im good hbu

[craggy dagger]

doing good

been up to anything interesting lately?

[stark kindle]

Nah just working a ton hbu?

[craggy dagger]

same lol

got hired at a place about a month ago and it’s been going well

[stark kindle]

Ooooo doing what

[bold geode]

What happened Mickey

[craggy dagger]

working at a small sammie shop

[stark kindle]

Oooooooo

[stark kindle]

Murder

[bold geode]

I see

[solid frigate]

Mickey is going to commit Vehicular manslaugther

[molten oasis]

True true

[tiny karma]

Move: Rising Voltage

If the current terrain is Electric Terrain and the target is grounded, this move's power is doubled.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[balmy glen]

you’ll prob get like 5 rounds in

[bold geode]

Pog, I signed up

[stone trellis]

"Tornadus, you might be the smartest non-restricted I know. But you were too stupid to see that he chose to click Glacial Lance the moment the match started."

The players are so predictable.

It's always Taunt into CIR and Fake Out into CIR.

No creativity, always the safe plays.

And it always ends badly for them.

[foggy lodge]

God forbid people from playing safe

[stone trellis]

You're right, but it's such an easy call to make.

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/IbrahimVGC/status/1945485277046132995

IbiVGC | Day 1 Demon (@IbrahimVGC)

I have decided that this summer I will take a break from my mental health to focus entirely on competitive pokémon

X · Jul 16, 2025, 2:06 PM

[molten oasis]

I should do the opposite

[copper token]

Guys I was breeding girafarigs for competitive and was looking for 17 speed ivs and I got a shiny and I checked its speed and it says pretty good but is 25 ivs

Is there some sort of calculator I should use I have just been putting the level and nature in to showdown to check

[next stump]

Showdown is a good tool to use to check for specific IV

[shadow wind]

Yeah just match the levels then play around with the IVs

[copper token]

I thought so too but I’ve levelled it up a bunch to try and get a better answer but it still says pretty good and 25

[next stump]

As opposed to Fantastic? or what’s the issue?

[shadow wind]

Then it's probably 25?

[copper token]

I thought pretty good was 11-20

But my calculations say it’s 25

[stone trellis]

Decent is 1-14.

Pretty Good should be 15-24.

[dense latch]

you sure there’s not any EVs on the mon?

[copper token]

It’s freshly bred

As in within the last 15 minutes

[shadow wind]

24 and 25 might be the same at level 50?

[dense latch]

prob this

[stone trellis]

They should be.

[copper token]

Alr thanks for your help guys

[stone trellis]

You're welcome.

[dense latch]

problem is every tw setter is free cir boost food

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t matter

[copper token]

Oh ok

[molten oasis]

I need a break from the game, I play 2 rounds and get tilted and wanna break something

[dense latch]

i’ve been on a break since last week it’s pretty nice

[molten oasis]

I hate this format

[dense latch]

this is definitely a sign

maybe goes without saying and is kinda cliche but genuinely find something else to spend the time you’d use for vgc

[molten oasis]

Probably wise until this format ends

[dense latch]

yea at least we get the new format at the end of the month

[shadow wind]

Drago you should play the OM

[molten oasis]

OM?

[shadow wind]

It's just stupid stuff that still includes pokemon

Other Metagame

[dense latch]

was just about to say that lmao

if you can find any other non-vgc metas you find interesting it's great to not deattach yourself entirely from pokemon

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/ed7877653af7bf28

[dense latch]

i got pretty good at mix and mega

[shadow wind]

I was using this team and hit top 200 on this not very active ladder

Full potential is actually so funny

Like yes it's singles but it's still mons

[molten oasis]

Maybe, I only suffer through the format to play zacian

Which isn’t even the issue I feel

But yea idk I just need to step back

[shadow wind]

I was doing the same with Groudon

[stone trellis]

Except for Volcarona.

[shadow wind]

I play the OMs occasionally because they're just stupid and very low stakes

Erik you should try full potential

Probably the goofiest format I've ever played

Very mickey mouse vibes

[dense latch]

i'll give it a shot

now that im higher up in mix and mega which is such a small format they know my team well lmao

the #1 player at the time gave me the team early on but most players know him

i gain 10 elo and lose 40

[molten oasis]

I’m also just tired of trying things and them proceeding to not work

[shadow wind]

Yup

That's where I'm at in Full potential

[molten oasis]

Like idk what the right restricted is, idk what the best partners are, I just, ugh

[shadow wind]

Don't worry Drago, me too

You've played too much of your funny restricted and nothing makes sense anymore

[molten oasis]

I’m also tired of having a shit mu into Calyrex

[shadow wind]

Yup

Exactly where I'm at with it

[stone trellis]

Which one?

[molten oasis]

Both

It’s either too fast or it sets tr and I’m fucked

And both LOVE incineroar

[stone trellis]

There's nothing that Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu cannot fix, given Tailwind and rain.

I'm not even joking, it OHKOs CIR if it hits for neutral.

[dense latch]

now i remember why i took a break

never a KO after a snarl

[shadow wind]

Me when Lunala takes 22% from a 4x move

[chrome knot]

no terrain, non stab, shadow shield ?

likely av or scarf miraidon

[stone trellis]

Just like Pelipper KOing my Urshifu with Hurricane critting.

It had a 75% chance of surviving otherwise and it lost me the fucking game.

[molten oasis]

Fake out psychic gg shake my hand.

[stone trellis]

Tera Water survives Psychic.

[molten oasis]

Not the turn after

[stone trellis]

Also, Indeedee.

[molten oasis]

I’m not playing band shifu with indeedee on zacogre

[stone trellis]

Of course you play SwordFish.

[molten oasis]

I play zacian

[shadow wind]

Said it like it's a slur 😭

[molten oasis]

Kyogre and miraidon are my only options and I don’t know which one is better

[stone trellis]

Depends.

[molten oasis]

Ofc it depends

[stone trellis]

How shit is your MU into Groudon?

If the answer is "very", pick the fatass whale.

[dense latch]

how much is a bad groudon matchup really a problem though

[balmy glen]

thats just like not how you decide at all lmao

[left bobcat]

LETS UP THOSE NUMBERRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS

[dense latch]

if my team's worst matchup is groudon im very happy w that

[left bobcat]

HOW?

[molten oasis]

Generally

[left bobcat]

Actually nvm

[shadow wind]

Sadly the truth

[molten oasis]

My mu into groudon has been okay I just don’t think Mirai is that innovating

[left bobcat]

I would’ve said if my worst mu is cosmog then I’d be happy

[stone trellis]

You don't need to be innovative.

[molten oasis]

I have to be

Zac Mirai is a duo that’s not really played

[left bobcat]

So is giratina and Groudon

GG

[dense latch]

nah that's a teambuilding issue

your team should have a good mu into the meta

[left bobcat]

Exactly

Cosmog who?

[stone trellis]

Imaginary Technique: Choice Band Earthquake.

[left bobcat]

Actually I didn’t even think of that

[stone trellis]

(I'm genuinely just spitting whatever bullshit I can think of right now, do not take it seriously)

[shadow wind]

Dang I just beat the guy that was 5th on ladder in the OM

Holy elo inflation

[balmy glen]

whats OM

[dense latch]

Other Metagames

[shadow wind]

Nice

[balmy glen]

oh u meant

[shadow wind]

I guess technically it's OMotM

[balmy glen]

nvm i thought it was sum new vgc abbreviation

[foggy lodge]

gaming time

[shadow wind]

That looks so fun to play against...

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/20kylies-gif-16945676515720854203

[shadow wind]

That's me every single time I look in my builder

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

Actually I'm a retired VGC player now

Big OM kinda guy

[molten oasis]

Retirement, interesting idea

[foggy lodge]

Btw scarf Miraidons are now speed tying

[shadow wind]

Drago come join me in full potential

[foggy lodge]

Wouldn't be surprised to see people running 252 252 timid scarf mirai now

[shadow wind]

Where AV Regice is meta

[foggy lodge]

The VR winner team was like 140 timid with scarf

[shadow wind]

It's crazy how Miraidon has perfectly showcased the entire nature of VGC

[foggy lodge]

Abominations?

[shadow wind]

AV - bulky to live everything
Specs - Nuking everything
Scarf - Outspeed everything

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for Tera to be gone

[shadow wind]

And those are the only items that have ever been good on it

[foggy lodge]

Fuck protect

Life orb!

[shadow wind]

Full potential has no tera

[foggy lodge]

Jk life orb is shit

[shadow wind]

Yes it is

[molten oasis]

It’s singles

[foggy lodge]

And teras too

Only electric or fairy

[shadow wind]

It's like barely singles

[molten oasis]

Let’s ban Tera on restricteds from now on thx

[shadow wind]

On god

[foggy lodge]

@shadow wind I'm playing against a Groudon should I gamble on pblades miss or not

[stone trellis]

Never do that.

[next stump]

https://x.com/ragimali/status/1943078208611704898?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

froggy ragi 🍉 (@ragimali)

all you 1500s groudon players bout to find out pblades misses at worlds and I will not feel bad

X · Jul 9, 2025, 10:42 PM

[molten oasis]

I think I’m gonna spend time building around zacian, then maybe that’ll help me figure out smth that works. Idt putting mons on the way I have been is working or efficient

[dense latch]

always

[shadow wind]

Yeah they’ll miss something

[foggy lodge]

They connected 5/6 pblades and one will o wisp

[stone trellis]

At least they didn't miss P-Blades five times.

Or get flinched and crit by Dark Pulse afterwards.

[molten oasis]

I bought a screwdriver to get into my laptop

And then it was the wrong size

[shadow wind]

I'm now realizing that these OMs are 90% skill based and like 10% actual teambuilding based

Which is a shame because singles is not my strong suit

[foggy lodge]

Can't team gap anymore

Tho calling Groudon team gap is a stretch

[shadow wind]

Like none of these mons do what they normally do

Also dusclops in this OM is like Michael Jordan

I think this is my favourite OM as well

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go back to Zac Mirai

I actually feel like that works once I can find a solid tr answer

I’m sick of kyogre missing origin pulse

[foggy lodge]

Top 1000 let's go

I'll climb higher the rest of the month

[dense latch]

how much work did scream tail put

[foggy lodge]

A lot

Lowkey Scream Tail is my restricted against Zama CSR lol

[shadow wind]

Scream tail has been on my radar

[foggy lodge]

You should use howl Scream Tail it cooks

[dense latch]

o i was talking about the plush i didnt realize it was in your actual team lmao

[molten oasis]

His scream tail is strong

It’s hard to get through

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scream-tail-gif-17742108409059513795

Taking life orb astral barrages like a champ

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/dac27477d5a506d0

I had this team

[foggy lodge]

Alright lil bro you cooked the kitchen

https://pokepast.es/0a8710f0ceb8b9b0

Holy shit I just discovered this lmfao

[shadow wind]

Yeah I'm retired from VGC

Time to become a full potential player

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5350d1be93e7eb7b what if curse bear

[shadow wind]

Curse bear is lowkey fire

I would go more on the special bulk though

[left bobcat]

Yeh

[shadow wind]

But it might not matter

[dense latch]

why adamant btw

[shadow wind]

Damage !

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhh solar beam miraidon?

[stone trellis]

Brave does the same.

[shadow wind]

Can outspeed out of TR and then after curse underspeed in TR

[dense latch]

fair

i suppose it does depend on what you want to outspeed/underspeed

[stone trellis]

The cold, unnerving horse.

[molten oasis]

Ice rider

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2403992949 witness its power

[dense latch]

it's pretty cool tech

[dense latch]

was that iron ball ursh lmao

[shadow wind]

Man why am I actually trying harder on this OM than I have in VGC in the past like month

This is what having fun does

[molten oasis]

1-1, they played better and I couldn’t break the Lunala

[left bobcat]

Damn

[molten oasis]

This team has no mu into groudon incin

Per usual, stupid cat

2-2

hm

Idt this team comp is right

Thinking I need lando rn

[shadow wind]

I hate lando

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s efficient against that

[shadow wind]

Lando just destroys Groudon Miraidon

Like so badly

Landorus is just a stupid mon

[stone trellis]

Gen 5 Pokemon somehow only getting stronger with power creep:

[molten oasis]

Incin as well

https://pokepast.es/3088f23e2c12984f is this a Hearthflame or incin type of team

And also shifu

[shadow wind]

Incin

[molten oasis]

Is this because incin is incin or it’s what makes more sense here

[shadow wind]

Incin being Incin

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[foggy lodge]

Lost to mental herb Lunala with belly drum hands and choice specs farigiraf i love cart ladder

[molten oasis]

Guys?

[ocean pawn]

. this is your answer

[molten oasis]

Great, $30 in the drain because my laptop has the smallest screws on the planet

[dense latch]

lmao wtf

[foggy lodge]

Whoever that person was I hope their switch explodes

Ig its also my fault for playing a bo3 team on bo1 but its just horrible

I have to play with 0 knowledge of what they can do meanwhile they know everything about my team except the spreads

[bold geode]

If you can't beat teams in BO1 unless they're HEAVY into CTS cheese, it's either a team or skill issue honestly

[foggy lodge]

Monke how do you approach to mental herb Lunala belly drum Hands and specs Farig

[dense latch]

specs tera dark tera blast amoonguss next to weezing with taunt

[foggy lodge]

You're so right

[molten oasis]

What.

https://pokepast.es/5bc5a215057e52a4

https://pokepast.es/9c1a921babec9d94
one of these ig, I’ll probably test both

[bold geode]

And you're getting mad about this why?

About the one person out of a million you gonna see running that

[foggy lodge]

Because I can

Not like I can do anything lol

[bold geode]

Yeah so why be mad if you can't do shit about it LMAO

[foggy lodge]

I'm not even mad LMAO

[bold geode]

?

[foggy lodge]

Ah yes I'm now using my telekinetical powers to make their switch explode

I'm using it to destroy your computer too look

[bold geode]

AW FUCK MY LAPTOP NO

My mom's laptop is already fried

[foggy lodge]

I'm destroying your router now