competitive_discussion

[waxen dock]

I think e seed cresa will be better than e seed lunala

[stone trellis]

So should Lunala be Lefties Calm Mind instead?

Also, why?

[shadow wind]

Well considering Cress is purely there for setting up trickroom it’s probably better that it takes full advantage of that and lets Lunala become more of a damage dealer

Although it’s a bit rough because Cress and Lunala want to do the exact same things

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, because spamming Lunar Blessing, using Icy Wind to slow opponents down when you aren't going for TR or using Helping Hand to KO things that normally wouldn't die aren't viable options.

I don't really want Cress as a secondary TR setter.

[shadow wind]

Then what is it even doing on the team

It will never come to tailwind games

You already have scarf Miraidon so tailwind feels out of place

The whole team feels a bit disjointed

The whole point of scarf Miraidon is that you don’t need tailwind

If you’re dead set on using Jug I would suggest specs Miraidon

Making it closer to the NAIC winning team

Having 2 snarlers in that fashion doesn’t really benefit the rest of the team

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I don't know what I cooked with this team either.

I kinda made the original at 2 AM and it shows.

Thank you so much for the suggestions though.

[shadow wind]

And now thinking about it why not just use Whims over Jug

Light screen is essentially the same as snarl

[stone trellis]

I don't know, I just like being automatically immune to Prankster Taunt and not needing to waste my Tera for it.

[shadow wind]

Whimsicott is the fastest prankster user

[stone trellis]

For real?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Shit, I didn't actually know.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus

Type

Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Tornadus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Aight, thanks for the information.

[shadow wind]

Thing is mad fast

[stone trellis]

I have now come to the conclusion that the team is shit and has a lot of room for improvement.

[foggy lodge]

Jugulis's usage is more because of being a CSR Zam answer and having the damage reduction of snarl + flying coverage and inmune to ground

That's why its really only used on Kyogre teams

For other archetypes the other options are better

[shadow wind]

It feels like an in between option of Torn and Whims

[stone trellis]

I'll make the changes once I get access to my Chromebook.

[shadow wind]

And it doesn’t have prankster !!

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but with 264 Speed, it may as well have it.

[shadow wind]

My scarf Miraidon would like to chat

[stone trellis]

Emphasis on "may as well".

[shadow wind]

I love scarf Miraidon

It’s like specs Flutter mane but cooler

[stone trellis]

I love clicking a "weak" move like Snarl and doing 60% to both my opponents.

[shadow wind]

😭😭

Bro is playing against Lunala CSR

[stone trellis]

CSR dies to Snarl.

[foggy lodge]

Nah no way

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, it only loses 80% of its health.

[foggy lodge]

My CSR never died to snarl

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Snarl vs. 108 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 140-168 (74 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

Yeah around there

[shadow wind]

That’s why we have helping hand

!!!

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/bad52708f09cd422

Got bored of this team so here it is

My version of the evs Agati used

[shadow wind]

Do you only post teams after you know you won’t use them again?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Interesting

[foggy lodge]

Ayo what is this shit

10 CSR and 9 Zamas in a top 16💀💀💀💀💀

[shadow wind]

Every single team has Miraidon or CSR except seed 1

Also Groudon !!

[solid frigate]

i'm speechless on how many CSR there are

[dense latch]

raichu milotic lmao

[solid frigate]

CSR Zama team in 2019 be like

[shadow wind]

Please let Groudon win 🙏🙏

He just needs one event this entire generation

[turbid birch]

[shadow wind]

Actually the one event he’ll win will be worlds

[solid frigate]

didn't Groudon won something in Reg G in a lower Division

[shadow wind]

No clue

[solid frigate]

junior division Indianapolis

i think groudon won that

[stone trellis]

So should I give the Focus Sash to Whimsicott or should I stick to Covert Cloak?

[foggy lodge]

Both are good

Depends on personal preferance tbh

[stone trellis]

Alright.

Obviously we need to have Tailwind and Moonblast, but what about the other two moves?

[foggy lodge]

Encore is a must

Last one between protect and light screen

Usually sash runs protect but I think light screen is still better

[stone trellis]

I'm running Cloak anyway.

[foggy lodge]

Then light screen

[stone trellis]

Alright.

So that means I can have pseudo-Grimmsnarl with Light Screen on Whimsicott and Reflect on Cress.

Also, since Miraidon is Specs and I don't really outspeed anything, how much Speed does it need?

[foggy lodge]

Nah

The point of screens rn is being prio moves

[stone trellis]

Do I just go 4 / 252 / 252 Modest?

[foggy lodge]

Cress is too slow to use screens

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

[foggy lodge]

You can

Miraidon has a lot of spreads to use

[turbid birch]

fake tears is also an option

[foggy lodge]

Either super bulky or fast offensive

[turbid birch]

or well I run fake tears on my whimsicottt

[foggy lodge]

Fake tears is just cheesy

[stone trellis]

I can run bulk on this.

[turbid birch]

[stone trellis]

It's fast enough that with a little Speed investment, it still outspeeds everyone with Tailwind.

[solid frigate]

its funny for only on Pagos teams

[stone trellis]

Also, does CC Whimsicott just run 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe Timid?

[stone trellis]

Because I doubt it's living literally anything without the help of Screens.

[foggy lodge]

It does

Whimsi runs bulk now

[stone trellis]

For what purpose?

And what Tera Type?

[foggy lodge]

To take hits xd

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 180 HP / 108 SpD Whimsicott in Electric Terrain through Light Screen: 92-108 (58.2 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Damn.

[foggy lodge]

I think they are calced to take like tera water banded surging strikes something like that

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott on a critical hit: 123-147 (77.8 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Maybe it's more built to survive Astral Barrage from max Special Attack Life Orb CSR.

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 180 HP / 108 SpD Whimsicott: 133-156 (84.1 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yep.

[stone trellis]

I made a more refined version of the team. Is it better now?
https://pokepast.es/9158ef678f9a5f5e

[shadow wind]

Looks chill

But now it quite literally is just NAIC with Cress over Incin

[stone trellis]

Didn't the Urshifu in NAIC run Choice Band Tera Ghost?

Should I run a different set on Lunala and give the Electric Seed to Cresselia?

[shadow wind]

Yeah it did but 5/6 mons at face value

[shadow wind]

It’s tricky because the team has already been made

I just don’t think Cress is a unique enough mon anymore

[stone trellis]

Sorry, I'm not the most creative person.

[stone trellis]

I just wanted to make a team that could use it well.

[shadow wind]

Nah it’s a great core I don’t blame you at all

Heck when I make Groudon teams I look for examples and sometimes it’s the same 6 that I have in the builder

I feel like Cress would work better with something like Zama

Because Lunala and Cress have extremely similar roles

[stone trellis]

I'm not doing Skill Swap Cress.

[shadow wind]

I wasn’t even thinking that

[stone trellis]

And also, I just feel like Zamazenta is a kiddie slop restricted.

[shadow wind]

In what ways

[stone trellis]

"I have a shield that blocks your 'erase everything' attack" ass Pokemon bro what is this 😭

And the people using it are always so cocky.

Like bro, just because everyone and their mom agrees that this is a good restricted duo doesn't mean that you're free to not click Wide Guard in front of the +2 CIR.

I don't know if I hate the Pokemon itself or the players who use it more.

[shadow wind]

They really just don’t be clicking wide guard

[stone trellis]

They think "Oh, the pressure of Wide Guard is too much for him, he won't click EQ" only to get annihilated because Ursaluna is Tera Ghost and has nothing left to lose.

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

[stone trellis]

Lunala players never do that though.

It's almost like they are mostly actual competent players and not 10-year-olds who never use anything that's not an attacking move.

[shadow wind]

I think Zama is a cool Mon and would probably be an option if I didn’t play Groudon

But I will agree, people think just because Zama is on the field they get free attacks because the “pressure”

[stone trellis]

Zamazenta players will survive one attack and think "He can survive against a Calyrex who has +3 in both Attack and Defense".

Regardless, I could run Zamazenta.

I might consider doing it.

Also, should Cresselia get the Electric Seed instead?

[shadow wind]

I think it’s a strong option yeah

[stone trellis]

What set does Zamazenta even run with Miraidon?

I'm mostly talking about EVs and the Tera Type, not its moves.

[shadow wind]

Tera water I think?

And I have zero clue for the evs

I know the sets I make and could recite them by heart but the average EV spread I’m blind to

[stone trellis]

I could just use this.

I changed it a bit so it can survive an Electro Drift from Tera Electric Modest Scarf Miraidon.

It's still only got an 18,75% chance of dying to Flare Blitz or CC from Koraidon, so we're good.

[shadow wind]

Nice

[stone trellis]

And Koraidon against this team just kind of has to choose how it wants to die.

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

Draco or EQ

[stone trellis]

Or Electro Drift.

Or Facade.

Or Dazzling Gleam.

I don't know if I have a really bad MU into anyone with this team though.

https://pokepast.es/388055f134f5bac1

Here's the updated one.

[shadow wind]

Yeah you can literally lead Miraidon into pretty much anything

[stone trellis]

I don't really know how to break CIR though.

[shadow wind]

Zama

And Ursa

And even Cress

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

I'll get to building the team in Violet tomorrow.

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I just remembered I have to build a team in game

😔

I’m so excited…

Although I need to test some EV spreads before I make anything actually

[molten oasis]

I was up so late last night lmao

Breaking Bad is so good

[shadow wind]

Me too !

But that’s because I was sleeping on the nastiest couch of all time

Leather couch is not comfortable to sleep on

But now I’m heading home so I can get back to playing showdown !

[stone trellis]

Dear God, Facade OHKOs Dragonite THROUGH MULTISCALE? (Oh nevermind he was -1 Defense)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402099731

And the Helping Hand into Protect was just for the flex.

Finally.

So this is the one time where Skill Swap would've been great.

Due to Cresselia having Levitate, it wasn't affected by the Electric Terrain's ability to prevent grounded Pokemon from sleeping.

So it got slept by Amoonguss and instead of clicking Trick Room (which would've given me an advantage into their way faster team), it just sat there and did nothing for three turns.

I need a way of caving Amoonguss' cap in.

[shadow wind]

Yeah that does seem like a big problem

[stone trellis]

I knew that putting Icy Wind on Cress was better than Moonblast.

See, this is why I run CIR.

[stone trellis]

Either that or Skill Swap.

Skill Swap also helps win terrain wars.

Though it does make Miraidon weaker.

Can Assault Vest CIR have any partners other than Kyogre?

[shadow wind]

AV CIR?

I don’t think he needs that

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

But it's just really fucking funny to run.

[shadow wind]

I remember in Reg G I played this guy who ran AV CIR with howl gouging fire

Bro was high elo and I farmed that guy

[stone trellis]

"WHY DID ELECTRO DRIFT DO LESS THAN 70%? HOW IS HE SURVIVING IT SO CASUALLY?"

[shadow wind]

Thank you Groudon for being awesome

[stone trellis]

The one big problem with every CIR who isn't Amulet is that it's really weak to Incineroar pivoting in and out.

[shadow wind]

That’s any physical attacker though

Not Urshifu R though

[stone trellis]

My counter-argument: Coaching.

[stone trellis]

The face of competitive mauls the heel, how surprising.

[shadow wind]

Too bad him and Groudon aren’t friends

Thank goodness Wake is

!!

We love walking wake

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, food for the unnerving horse.

[shadow wind]

100%

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402121707

It's always Taunt with these people.

[stone trellis]

Would Cornerstone Ogerpon be a good replacement for Amoonguss on these CIR-Miraidon teams?

It completes the Fire-Water-Grass core and it has a far better redirection move.

[shadow wind]

It doesn’t take advantage of trick room as well but yeah it’s a solid option

[stone trellis]

See, that's the funny thing.

What if everyone was so preoccupied on preventing you from setting TR up that they forgot you could click other buttons?

[shadow wind]

I mean CIR RockPon was a very strong lead in Reg G

[stone trellis]

Makes sense.

Also, I am never using anything other than Tera Fire again.

[shadow wind]

Hate being burnt?

[stone trellis]

No, I just hate how shit Tera Water is.

[stone trellis]

That or Tera Grass because it's GOATed in Kyogre teams.

Does RockPon like to run Power Whip or Horn Leech?

I need to choose a good Grass move, but they all have drawbacks.

[shadow wind]

Usually power whip

[stone trellis]

Makes sense.

The only issue is it has the same accuracy as P-Blades...

What EV spread should I run on Ogerpon, 4 / 252 / 252 Adamant?

[shadow wind]

And what’s wrong with that?

[shadow wind]

Probably Jolly but yeah

[stone trellis]

Who do I even need to outspeed?

[foggy lodge]

Other ogerpons :v

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[shadow wind]

Walking wake out of sun

Only Mon I can think of that has 109 speed

[stone trellis]

Shit, you're right.

Also outspeeds Jugulis and does the funni
252 Atk Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Iron Jugulis: 218-260 (108.4 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I hate it when I post a message and it just doesn't get sent.

Regardless, it would be hilarious if Landorus had the bulk to put his ability to learn Calm Mind and Nasty Plot to good use.

Oh wait, we have redirection.

I WANT THE SETUP AJAHSHDJJDJSJSWOKFBFBWKZKZ

[chrome knot]

@bold geode

[stone trellis]

?

[chrome knot]

?

[stone trellis]

I thought you pinged monke because I said something bad, but I may just be stupid.

[chrome knot]

no..? bc i wanna pm him

and he was too far down my dm list

[stone trellis]

As I said, I may just be stupid.

[shadow wind]

Nah that’s a fair assumption

[stone trellis]

Alright.

[stone trellis]

I actually kind of want to try this.

Calm Mind or Nasty Plot?

[shadow wind]

Go nasty plot

Landorus isn’t known for his longevity anyway

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[shadow wind]

But actually those bulky Landos drive me insane

[stone trellis]

Mine is bulky as hell.

[stone trellis]

How come?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d16387841eff57a1 thoughts fellas?

[shadow wind]

They can live everything

[shadow wind]

Interesting iron hand spreads

[solid frigate]

the 4 SpA is just whatevs lmao

[foggy lodge]

Do they live 252+ Choice Band Tera Ice Calyrex Ice Rider Glacial Lance

Run fast Hands gang trust me

[solid frigate]

shut up /j

[shadow wind]

Nah I was making the joke that my hands has the exact spread

Not because it’s a revolutionary spread and it’s definitely by pure coincidence

Even down to the 4 spatk

I just thought it was funny

[foggy lodge]

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 108 Atk / 4 Def / 236 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Volt Switch

[shadow wind]

Needs

More

Attack !!

[foggy lodge]

I wish I could give it more attack

Maybe it should be faster

[shadow wind]

Just make it jolly at that point

[foggy lodge]

My Hands can't be jolly

[shadow wind]

It could

[foggy lodge]

But it can't

He is just like me

Its actually a super accurate representation of me in Pokémon VGC

[shadow wind]

But we have the power of mints

One mint and he’s donezo

[foggy lodge]

Anti depression

[shadow wind]

Fast hands is weird though

Like what’s the point

[foggy lodge]

Ah it was for a line into Lunala

This Hands is with Grimmsnarl and Ditto and against Lunala I could go like wild charge + foul play and kill it

[shadow wind]

Slow pivot in TR could be nice but iron hands loves being in TR

[foggy lodge]

And volt switch to Ditto

And fast fake out for the Miraidon mirror

https://pokepast.es/e991c7bf03491f52

[shadow wind]

Next you’re going to try to convince me that fast Torkoal is the play

[foggy lodge]

I will

[shadow wind]

Yknow I really should put protect in my first move slot

I put the moves in order of how I like em and how they look

[foggy lodge]

Lol

Put twave on your first slot just to cause chaos when you disconnect

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/e98d504caedcaf69

My moves are aesthetic

[foggy lodge]

Pblades on the first slot also causes chaos

Mainly for you

[shadow wind]

I love clicking Pblades

[foggy lodge]

But it causes it

[shadow wind]

If I dc I want the game to play how I play

[turbid birch]

any time I see groudon on a team a part of my soul cries

[shadow wind]

And why’s that?

[turbid birch]

bc groudon is lwk lame and annoying to play against IMO

[shadow wind]

Wow

What a horrible take

[turbid birch]

I literally went against 3 teams and they all had groudon

And I mean they all lost

[shadow wind]

And that should be a blessing the guy sucks

[turbid birch]

But still

[shadow wind]

Still what, you would rather play against Miraidon than a Groudon?

In what world is Groudon lame?

[turbid birch]

in my world unfortunately

[shadow wind]

And how?

He sets up the sun just the same as Koraidon yet doesn’t get a huge damage increase and has an 85% accurate signature move

I don’t get how that is “lame”

Cause thems fighting words

[turbid birch]

I take back what I said

I finally made it to master ball tier

[turbid birch]

let’s run it then!!

joking obv

[shadow wind]

Me as well

I don’t actually care, that’s just the first time I’ve heard someone say that Groudon is lame and annoying to fight

[shadow wind]

Also goat stuff

But I guess the inconsistency of Pblades could be annoying to play against and position around with any drop of consistency

[turbid birch]

i think for me it’s just that my team has a lot of weaknesses to ground so whenever i see groudon I get scared

[turbid birch]

im just more of a kyogre guy

[shadow wind]

I hate that stupid fish

But now it all makes sense

[shadow wind]

Yknow that’s I feel when I see a Landorus so fair enough

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[rustic mountain]

mirai/csr winning vr

maybe something we see pick up b4 worlds im seein more ppl decide to run it

[solid frigate]

alright

time to panic /j

[foggy lodge]

It was one of the funniest VRs ever

Meta manipulation was crazy who told everyone that they should prepare more for Miraidon and don't care about CSR

[left bobcat]

New beginnings

The sun is going down

[foggy lodge]

Big news Hoj Nielsen dropped Tornadus for Bundle

How much speed does this man want idk

[left bobcat]

WOAHHH

[dense latch]

how is nikolaj always in vr cut

[left bobcat]

WOOOOOOOO IRON BUNDLE

let’s gooooooooo

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/38c0cf6cbc487ac6

This is an interesting team

Clefairy is popping off lately

[left bobcat]

Lately I’ve been starting to see more scarf miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Double set up line with double terrain

[rustic mountain]

lmao 10/16 csr in top cut is wild

[rustic mountain]

its picked up pretty steadily since dillons result w it

[dense latch]

pink blob meetup

[rustic mountain]

lmao

oh yea meant to mention that groudon team to conner

@shadow wind will o wisp groudon team top cut recent vr tour

?

[shadow wind]

Bad service

Was meant for something earlier

[foggy lodge]

Maybe Mirai CSR is better than we thought

[left bobcat]

Personally I prefer using lorb

[shadow wind]

Wisp Groudon, oh boy I love missing more moves

[foggy lodge]

We'll have to see

But I think the winning team looks good

Mirai CSR looks good when is not tailwind specs life orb HO shit lol

[shadow wind]

Too bad the Groudon didn’t make top 8 😔

[foggy lodge]

Groudon won 0 dollars now its starving

[shadow wind]

But also CSR Groudon is a bit odd

[foggy lodge]

You will bring bread to its table someday Conner

[rustic mountain]

i think if ppl continue to overlook it, might have a strong showing at worlds but prolly on most ppls radar now especially w/ more ppl seemingly taking interest in it

[shadow wind]

Some day

[rustic mountain]

its groudon man, be happy it got top 16

[shadow wind]

😔

I’m so used to seeing a single Groudon there and it immediately getting out

[rustic mountain]

damn

[foggy lodge]

I remember january reg G meta you were eating good there

[shadow wind]

No more though

The only Groudon success I’m seeing is mine

[foggy lodge]

Those days will be appreaciated forever

[next stump]

holy shit the VR winning team was my milwaukee team until i switched (diff moves but same 6)

that duo is not terrible if you get good matchups

a singular light screen and the game is 5x harder

[foggy lodge]

Lmao the exact 6?

[rustic mountain]

"not terrible"

[next stump]

yes hahaha scarf miraidon too but it was helmet volc

electric seed is smart

[rustic mountain]

so u dont think it can compete w/ the big 3?

bbss, csr/zama and mirai/lunala

[next stump]

I think it can but you need to be very practiced and you also need to get some matchup luck

that’s just my opinion but I haven’t played it in 2 months

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the team looks super hard to play

[rustic mountain]

like more then the others? cuz i feel every team gna need some mu luck for worlds, thats just the nature of the game

[shadow wind]

Chinese Sun type beat

[dense latch]

bbss is the best duo name in the game rn im glad to see it

[foggy lodge]

Its super hard to really have MU into everything

If not impossible

[next stump]

I think it’s more matchup reliant than something like Zama CSR

[foggy lodge]

Unless someone comes like arubega and creates the perfect team

[next stump]

but that doesn’t mean it’s bad

[rustic mountain]

yea

[next stump]

the teambuilder probably saw a huge decline in grimm and saw a chance

[rustic mountain]

i get wat u mean, like wen its good it can be great but it doesnt have the same consistent mu spread other top duos do

[shadow wind]

Guys what’s bbss?

[rustic mountain]

nd requires that comfortability/practice to navigate the tougher mus

[dense latch]

bolt beam speed sandwich

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[next stump]

yep both those exactly 🙂

[rustic mountain]

yea just the concept of taking two strong offensive types and making it tough for ur opponent to gauge their board in terms of speed cuz u can potentially pin them either way (omega zoom mirai mode or tr cir mode)

[foggy lodge]

I wonder if scarf mirai will be more used than specs at some point

[dense latch]

ive lowkey been seeing more scarf than specs recently

[foggy lodge]

Because its picking up in usage by a lot

[shadow wind]

I love Scarf Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

I've seen more specs but like just barely more than scarf

AV did drop a lot

[rustic mountain]

yea i feel they are pretty even now

[foggy lodge]

And I think most of the specs usage is carried by Mirainala teams lol

[rustic mountain]

yea the bbss really puts an emphasis on that innate speed control u can give urself w/ something like scarf that opens up ur ability to pin opponents a lot more (widens the range)

[shadow wind]

Does that mean I’m running bbss

[rustic mountain]

ur running groudon

[dense latch]

i really wanna know how this team works

[rustic mountain]

wtf r they cooking

[dense latch]

like

where is the offense

[rustic mountain]

i feel like its heat i see the vision

[next stump]

I wonder if it’s fairy CSR with screens for set up, lightning rod + tera to completely block mirai

[foggy lodge]

Is it lagging tail trick grimm

[rustic mountain]

mirai hate, incin hate something for opposing csr and bulk

[shadow wind]

Close enough though right

[foggy lodge]

It looks like a lagging tail team lmao

[dense latch]

idt full team info has dropped yet right

[rustic mountain]

fairy tera csr has been picking up so it certainly possible but something w/ the team even w/ raichu fake out and screens grimm still doesnt feel like it maximizes a cm csr to me but maybe np

[dense latch]

i feel like cm csr wants redirection tho

maybe not necessarily

[rustic mountain]

yea and something like friend guard support from clef

gives u more flexibility w/ ur options in protecting the csr

[dense latch]

but np makes more sense

[rustic mountain]

yea idk tho, dillon might b right and he did say set up so np is included in that

gta just wait and see wen more info drops

[shadow wind]

I hate Clefairy teams

[rustic mountain]

im more interested in where the mirai/csr duo goes

[dense latch]

i hope i never have to go against that it looks like a horrible mu

[rustic mountain]

actually one i thought would be solid but never seemed to pick up any steam until recently

[rustic mountain]

yea i think it has a few mu nightmares for like all the top 3 duos in particular

[shadow wind]

It makes me want to run 6 avs

[foggy lodge]

Nothing matters because Scream Tail will win worlds

[shadow wind]

With Groudon

[foggy lodge]

But also yeah looking at the team like

How does that team beat Grimm + AV Incin

[dense latch]

the way in which vr releases team info always confuses me

sometimes it’s the second after the tour ends and sometimes it takes a day or two

[foggy lodge]

It looks super bad

[rustic mountain]

same

[foggy lodge]

Unless you crit your way through it I don't see a way

[rustic mountain]

but tbf same thing happens w/ regionals

its not always consistent

[foggy lodge]

Also leech seed cir has dropped

The meta has been evolving a lot

[dense latch]

https://x.com/draxolotl12/status/1944440984030396638?s=46

Draxolotl (@Draxolotl12)

I ended Victory Road 6-3 with sewaddle. Many ups and downs throughout the tour and in day two but i feel my play was good an would not chance a thing. For those wondering i will post the team and a team report but for now i will just leave my evs.

https://t.co/FD14s58S6B

X · Jul 13, 2025, 4:57 PM

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense that people are option more for clam cir now that mirai runs scarf more often

[foggy lodge]

LMAO ITS MAX SPEED SCARF JOLLY WITH CHLOROPHYLL

[dense latch]

244 Atk Tera-Ghost Sewaddle Tera Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 192-228 (109.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

goat

[foggy lodge]

IT OUTSPEEDS BOOSTER FLUTTER

[dense latch]

244 Atk Tera-Ghost Sewaddle Tera Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 126-150 (96.9 - 115.3%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

respect sewaddle

[bold geode]

Hey Max
You wanna know what I saw in top 16 of VR?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[foggy lodge]

raichu?

[bold geode]

Nah buddy
Right above it

[shadow wind]

Oh hey I know that person

[foggy lodge]

Smeargle?

[bold geode]

Nah

[foggy lodge]

Scarf ape is cool

But nah like being serious

Zam Ogre is like okay

Better than I thought but I still think is like "fine"

[bold geode]

I literally lost to this earlier today

It's better than ya think

[foggy lodge]

That's the team I lost to double protect in the trainers school lmao

[bold geode]

I almost beat it
I just over predicted and messed up

It was hard though to play against

Actually Max what item did the Kyogre have?

[foggy lodge]

Mystic water

[bold geode]

Ah
Mine was Cloak for some reason

[molten oasis]

Scarf final gambit ape I’m assuming

[bold geode]

Sí

[shadow wind]

I’m finally home

I think that means it’s VGC time

[molten oasis]

Tera ground Tera blast lets me nuke Volcarona’s as well

Maybe I treated this Tera option too harshly

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/354439172a8f4992

[foggy lodge]

You did

But better late to see the vision than never

[molten oasis]

Yea

[toxic scarab]

why struggle bug on volc?

[shadow wind]

For CSR and Miraidon usually

[toxic scarab]

idk if i see the vision

[shadow wind]

It’s quite common

[toxic scarab]

ig i need to play more vgc

[shadow wind]

There’s no vision it’s just a good option

On specs though it’s a bit ehh

[toxic scarab]

thats why i was confused

[shadow wind]

But hitting both opponents and lowering both spatk stats is great

[toxic scarab]

the specs threw me off

[toxic scarab]

true

[shadow wind]

It’s like intimidate

[toxic scarab]

but manual

[foggy lodge]

because the team is like 99% meme

And I didn't find another good move

Overheat is okay ig but I didn't find it necessary

And giga drain is weak without set up and tera grass

[toxic scarab]

idk pollen puff?

[shadow wind]

Hurricane, just get lucky

[toxic scarab]

doesnt even get pollen puff 💔

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't get it and would be just bug buzz 2

Same and all

[toxic scarab]

yea i just checked lmao

[foggy lodge]

True

[toxic scarab]

if ur awesome like that you go with dual wingbeat like a boss

[foggy lodge]

I love gambling

Everytime I click snarl I feel the adrenaline through my body because I know this Miraidon hates me and misses all its moves

Probably hates me for putting him on this shitty team

[shadow wind]

Speaking of missing moves

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-kick-gif-15601059942557706163

[foggy lodge]

How many moves did you miss today Conner

[shadow wind]

I missed 0 moves today !!

[foggy lodge]

How many games did you play today Conner

[shadow wind]

I was in a car for 16 hours so I didn’t play any mons

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[toxic scarab]

its so weird seeing your valiant set as a singles player

[shadow wind]

Singles and doubles feels like different games

[foggy lodge]

Dude the coaching gimmick is so funny

+2 body press proto boosted🥀

Because for some reason orichalcum pulse boosts body press

[shadow wind]

It does?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[shadow wind]

Now that’s bad programming

[foggy lodge]

I think its because body press just grabs the defense value and uses instead of attack

[shadow wind]

Probably yeah

And showdown likes to make things look pretty so it displays it like a band increase

With an actual attack boost

Give us a special body press

[toxic scarab]

no gng 💔

[foggy lodge]

Water type body press for Kyogre

[toxic scarab]

we dont need blissey sweeping teams

[shadow wind]

Give Regice anything

[foggy lodge]

They game him body press

[shadow wind]

Incredibly solid point

[foggy lodge]

Take it or leave it

[toxic scarab]

100 base def

[shadow wind]

I’d rather use Carbink

[foggy lodge]

Take it or leave it

[toxic scarab]

if u want a good press user you use zam

[shadow wind]

If you want the best press user

It’s still Zama

[foggy lodge]

Fun fact I lost to Carbink 10 minutes ago‼️

[shadow wind]

That was me

[foggy lodge]

bo1 cts is so horrible to prioritze threats

[shadow wind]

Why I brought it up

[toxic scarab]

i lost to alolan persian like 5 min ago

[shadow wind]

Nah I wish

[foggy lodge]

I doubled into it with body press volt switch and then they protected with their mon and set TR with Carbink

[shadow wind]

I don’t even think I can touch that one account anymore in fear of losing

[foggy lodge]

And ran away with the game

[foggy lodge]

Use an alt

[shadow wind]

It is the alt

[foggy lodge]

Another alt!

[toxic scarab]

what no steel types does to someone

[shadow wind]

I have a lot of alts

[toxic scarab]

moves*

[shadow wind]

But yeah I’ll probably have to leave that alt alone

[foggy lodge]

I had Treads but I had it in the back

[shadow wind]

It’s a legacy alt now

[toxic scarab]

i have one alt and its just for testing teams in natdex formats

[foggy lodge]

And then there was nothing I could do

[shadow wind]

I have like 12 alts

[foggy lodge]

You should use my team Conner just slap Groudon over Koraidon

[shadow wind]

!!

Body press Groudon 🥀🥀

[toxic scarab]

140 base def

[foggy lodge]

But with coaching valiant!!!

[toxic scarab]

no idef tho

[shadow wind]

Koraidon is more specially bulky than Groudon

It won’t work gang

[foggy lodge]

It will work you just need +3 defense to kill Incin with body press unlike Koraidon that oneshots it

[toxic scarab]

your opponent gotta be asleep to let you get +3

[foggy lodge]

That's why we have Bonnet!!!

[toxic scarab]

🥀

[foggy lodge]

Bur anyways I've been testing this team more and is so cool https://pokepast.es/852e7da096567d02

And the recreation of what I think riopaser used

[toxic scarab]

whats the point of grass tera on volc? for water resist?

[foggy lodge]

That + stab grassy terrain boosted giga drain

[toxic scarab]

might as well show the team i use

https://pokepast.es/31952ebdec02ab18

[shadow wind]

Oh why not

https://pokepast.es/e98d504caedcaf69

[toxic scarab]

tera bug iron hands goes crazy

[shadow wind]

Thank you

[toxic scarab]

reminds me of when i used to use tera bug heatran

[shadow wind]

I didn’t want to be weak to ground or ice

[toxic scarab]

fair enough

[foggy lodge]

I miss Heatran

[toxic scarab]

https://pokepast.es/9c05a318c4b08290 still remember this monstrosity i built

[shadow wind]

Ogerpon put a stop to him

[foggy lodge]

Take me back to march I want to use pagos heatran scream tail again🥀

[toxic scarab]

heatran thriving in natdex

[foggy lodge]

How is heatran doing in singles

[toxic scarab]

heatran with grassinium z goes crazy

[foggy lodge]

I know nothing about singles

[shadow wind]

Bloom doom gaming

[toxic scarab]

normal OU not great, but in natdex its rly good

natdex is just all mechanics and pokemon in one

[shadow wind]

Didn’t they ban Tera?

[toxic scarab]

yea they did

[foggy lodge]

Its your format Conner

[shadow wind]

🤑🤑🤑

[toxic scarab]

https://pokepast.es/943e938545fe2dc2 natdex be crazy for letting this be okay

[shadow wind]

God just screw Tera

[toxic scarab]

tera is good but it caused too many problems when u factor z-moves and megas at the same time

[foggy lodge]

Those sets are crazy for me my vgc brain can't comprehend them

[shadow wind]

Looks fairly standard to me

[toxic scarab]

it is standard but fun

[shadow wind]

I watch a lot of singles content

[foggy lodge]

I used av treads one time that shit was so underwhelming🥀🥀🥀

[jade dust]

I’m surprised how much Ogerpon hearthflame helps against Zama. It’s very often a OHKO

[shadow wind]

I don’t know what kind of 252 adamant Ogerpon you’re running but it sounds nice

[jade dust]

Nah 156 atk adamant

Helping hand tera fire Ivy cudgel is a OHKO

[foggy lodge]

That changes it a lot

[shadow wind]

Yes it does

[foggy lodge]

My Zama would be OHKOd by tera fire cudgel

[shadow wind]

18 multipliers no duh that OHKOs

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm

[toxic scarab]

https://pokepast.es/574ded5ab8050f9f this is a sample team lmao

[shadow wind]

God I love mega Mawile

[toxic scarab]

my personal favorite mega

[shadow wind]

I actually do really like singles

[toxic scarab]

the funniest thing about singles vs doubles is that in doubles you can get away with using bad pokemon

[shadow wind]

I just never got into actually playing it

[waxen dock]

I yought people used tera grass heatran

[shadow wind]

Tera is banned

[waxen dock]

Heatrain is good cu it counter zard y

[waxen dock]

Ik

[toxic scarab]

yard runs scorching sands

[shadow wind]

Scorching sands

[shadow wind]

Then why ask if it ran Tera grass

[waxen dock]

I meant in the past

[jade dust]

Without helping hand it’s like 90% of Zama’s HP

[waxen dock]

I used to play a lot of nat dex before the tera ban

[toxic scarab]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2400206723

[foggy lodge]

Air balloon heatran damn

[toxic scarab]

first 3 turns gng

[shadow wind]

AV Mola is dope

[toxic scarab]

thanks

[shadow wind]

Mirror coat gaming?

[toxic scarab]

mirror coat, scald, knock, and flip turn

yes sir

[shadow wind]

Awesome

I love that tech

[toxic scarab]

watched a tapu koko get one shot cuz it used special gigavolt on mola

[shadow wind]

I remember people ran counter Ogerpon cornerstone for a time in VGC to OHKO CIR because they lived with sturdy

[foggy lodge]

Alomomola looks so annoying good thing I can one shot it here

[shadow wind]

I’m not even shocked Mola lived

[toxic scarab]

mola too tanky 💔

[toxic scarab]

is this fr 😭

[shadow wind]

I saw it more than once so maybe

[foggy lodge]

Wasn't it Tatsugiri?

[shadow wind]

It was during Reg G

[foggy lodge]

I remember seeing counter Tatsugiri at some point

[shadow wind]

Tatsu also sometimes runs counter and mirror coat

Those ones are always a pain to kill

[toxic scarab]

i swear CIR be way too tanky sometimes

[shadow wind]

Not even sometimes, every single game

[foggy lodge]

And now you can play leech seed leftovers wujuu

[shadow wind]

Unless you magically get a Tera weather ball off from walking wake in the sun I can’t kill that thing

[toxic scarab]

anyone wanna play a match

[foggy lodge]

I can I think

[toxic scarab]

Sinister Patron is my user

[foggy lodge]

Vgc right?

Cuz idk anything about singles lol

[toxic scarab]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Sent

Don't judge my user LMAO

[toxic scarab]

😭

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2400394510-kyim86ywsby9jqxuk4lnq75dy7e255bpw

Why did they let this happen

This happens more often than you would think

[toxic scarab]

im washed 💔

[toxic scarab]

they gotta be playing with both eyes closed

no way u let something like that happen

[foggy lodge]

My biggest question is why did they swap into Landorus when they had the scarf Miraidon

[toxic scarab]

either they didnt bring it or he was really really afraid of a stray eq or something

[foggy lodge]

Nah they brought it it showed at the end of the match

So yeah they just played with their eyes closed lmao

[strange fjord]

"Surely Ill live this hydro steam if I tera" get helpinh hand weather ball'd

[shadow wind]

Dude that helping hand weather ball will actually kill anything

Oh and Pizza do I have to play a game after hitting 80 GXE for my sets to be recorded?

[shadow wind]

Worst part about this is that it was game 3

[strange fjord]

wdym? like replays?

[shadow wind]

Just in general

Cause I’m assuming that the game I hit 80% didn’t count for being at 80%

[jade dust]

I wish there was a way to save replays in the actual game

That’s why I stopped playing and moved to smogon

[strange fjord]

oh yeye, elo, glicko and gxe updates at the end of battle. elo gets quietly updated if you dont play after 1300 elo

[shadow wind]

Thought it was 1500

And that means if I want my set in munchstats I gotta play another game

😔

[cyan smelt]

Why did I have a dream about having weather ball with kyogre and Groudon on the same team

[strange fjord]

we both wrong its 1400

[shadow wind]

Oh weird

[strange fjord]

also, munchteams updating down rn. ill get it up soon

[shadow wind]

Goat

Too bad I’m too chicken to play another game and have my set actually be in there

But I’m leaving that account as is

[strange fjord]

it runs from my laptop. probably disconnected from ac adapter and didnt notice

[shadow wind]

Lefties Groudon will forever remain a mystery

[foggy lodge]

The legend that only 1300 people will know

[shadow wind]

Will be lost to time

[foggy lodge]

In the depths of the pokemon showdown formats, between the dark clouds of vgcregi2025 ladder, the beast with it's meal remained silence

[strange fjord]

whens conner going to a regional/internation/world tournament? i wanna see bro face wolfe and have the world's first draw live on stream

[cyan smelt]

Apparently he's gonna attend Perth soonish

[shadow wind]

Here’s hoping

Plan is for me to move in January

[cyan smelt]

I think Perth regional is usually in December though

[shadow wind]

Last time I played Wolfey on ladder I got put in a pack

[shadow wind]

Guess we’ll be waiting 2 years then

Rain really beats every other weather huh

Hits fire types, hits rock and ground types, resists steel and ice

[strange fjord]

Perth regional hasnt been announced yet, so might be late enough for conner to join

[shadow wind]

Depends on what system it’s on cause I don’t have a switch 2 for PLZA

Or game rather

I just need to pray that Groudon isn’t allowed in whatever format is going on

Or else I will be throwing for fun

[strange fjord]

It doesnt beat extremely harsh sunlight. (primal groudon perma weather)

[shadow wind]

Happy days

Does Primal Groudon reside in Australia?

It would make sense why I’m drawn there

[strange fjord]

cant overwrite that, (unless you're rayquaza, psyduck, or swablu)

[shadow wind]

Swablu😭

Funniest part about that is Groudon could not have weather right now and be pretty indifferent about it

Tera makes the sun not as good defensively and he doesn’t use it for damage other than heat crash

[strange fjord]

what about those overheat, eruption groudon ive seen on bo1 ladder. surely those represent rhe majority of the groudon playerbase and not a small minority

[jade dust]

I am prepared for caly shadow

[shadow wind]

I ran Eruption Entei in Bo1 ladder so close enough I guess

[jade dust]

My best counter is Fari

[shadow wind]

Tera fire scarf helping hand Eruption Entei

That thing OHKO’d

[jade dust]

Caly ice also does even into caly shadow

Like Conner said, if trick room goes up, caly ice runs over. If trick room fails then caly shadow runs over

[toxic scarab]

you guys dont need to teambuild anymore, this set will rule the meta
https://pokepast.es/91d46cf58a616e92

[shadow wind]

I love how it gets psyshock

And you can finally run speed booster optimally !

[jade dust]

Nice meme build

[toxic scarab]

you say this but will soon be swept by the special tusk™

[shadow wind]

Now imagine if we had the technology for speed booster Brute bonnet

[jade dust]

What damage are you doing with 53 Sp Atk

[toxic scarab]

all the damage

[shadow wind]

I bet the Tera fairy Tera blasts kills Koraidon

[toxic scarab]

im calcing it rn

0- Atk Tera Fairy Great Tusk Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 184-220 (104.5 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[jade dust]

Tera fire ember kills scizor

[toxic scarab]

its attack is still higher 😭

[shadow wind]

Even with 252 modest?

[toxic scarab]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Great Tusk Ember (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Scizor: 132-160 (74.5 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[toxic scarab]

owned

[shadow wind]

AV scizor 😭

[toxic scarab]

i just chose the default set for scizor

[shadow wind]

I’m actually kinda hyped to be making a team in game for once

I never do it all my teams die on the showdown ladder

[jade dust]

Make it sunny

[toxic scarab]

💔

[shadow wind]

Proto spatk Tusk !

[toxic scarab]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Great Tusk Ember (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Scizor in Sun: 204-240 (115.2 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[shadow wind]

That’s my goat

[toxic scarab]

also mola needs to be put down dawg
252 SpA Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola in Electric Terrain: 458-540 (85.7 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

how 😭

[shadow wind]

Wow

That’s awful

[toxic scarab]

btw the koko dies after this move

[shadow wind]

That mirror coat is about to do 8 billion

[toxic scarab]

removing its bloodline from existence

[shadow wind]

I can’t decided if I should run 108 speed or 180 speed invest on my Scarf Miraidon

[toxic scarab]

is scarf miraidon

common

[shadow wind]

Scarf and specs are the most used items on it yeah

[toxic scarab]

run max speed to outrun other scarf miraidons

maybe not max but to a point where you can outspeed other scarf miraidons

[shadow wind]

No clue how fast they’re running

[toxic scarab]

id just go max tbh

[shadow wind]

But I guess with Miraidon it’s fine

You can always tell who’s faster

[toxic scarab]

thats just me tho

one thing i dont like about ots is i cant bring surprises like i do in singles

[shadow wind]

Yeah that’s fair

I only play OTS but that’s because I’m sick of random stuff ending my game

And I’m using Groudon I need to use my skill go my advantage

[toxic scarab]

yea its good and bad but i personally like bringing surprises

like i remember this one time i was playing natdex ubers and brought physical Primal Kyogre

[shadow wind]

I mean

[turbid birch]

i like using assault vest on mine

[shadow wind]

150 Atk is huge

[turbid birch]

but I do not recommend that unless you want it to be slower than any other miraidon

[toxic scarab]

the only use for it was to lure primal groudon and hit it with eq

[shadow wind]

I would only use AV if I had tailwind

[toxic scarab]

since yknow its immune to water

[shadow wind]

But I don’t have really any speed control other than Tr

[turbid birch]

yeahhh i run both tr and tailwind

obv each depend on the situation

[shadow wind]

Yeah with scarf Miraidon I don’t find tailwind necessary

I have Wake as well so he gets a speed boost in the sun

And then Groudon and Hands like being in TR more often than not

[turbid birch]

do u run groudon + miriadon?

Nvm question answered lol

[shadow wind]

Yup

Double donning it

[strange fjord]

would you run this dual weathers team? https://x.com/nicholasrubingh/status/1799081863631561024?t=haTkKuK9i9-o8ZWIf-CUig&s=19

Nich Rubingh (TheMismatcher) @ Go Fest NY! (@nicholasrubingh)

Disqualified from NAIC from getting team checked after starting 7-0. Extremely disappointed as I thought this team was a great meta call with the dual weather mode but evidently the judges disagreed

X · Jun 7, 2024, 2:11 PM

[shadow wind]

I love this post so much

I think the 2 incins really pushed it over the edge

[strange fjord]

i believe this was posted during reg g too lol

[shadow wind]

Even better

I’m so glad Groudon was featured

Pizza what are your thoughts on Groudon in the current meta

[turbid birch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-groudon-uses-precipice-blades-gif-26291347

ew why did it send as a link…

[strange fjord]

depends on the set it runs, but generally see it as a underrated threat. i think the lack of accurate moves makes it a problem for people to pick it up, but if you build a team around it and assume all your moves are gonna hit, then it definitely does its well into a bit of the meta. With AV, it can trade hits with CSR, Tera Fire, it can do the same with CIR. Miraidon probably dont like it and want to draco into it but you can just pivot around that (also depends kn the miraidon set)

no image privilages?

[turbid birch]

oh right

[strange fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-cat-no-image-perms-epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-sad-cat-gif-26373580

[turbid birch]

how do i get that

omg this is embarrassing

[shadow wind]

Goated take

I was running AV don but a certain robot wanted it more

[turbid birch]

every groudon that I’ve gone against ALWAYS hits their moves it’s so lame

[shadow wind]

So then I just gave Groudon 252 spdef invest

Pretty much has an AV now

[strange fjord]

As a current Giratina player, i like seeing groudon.

[shadow wind]

😔

My team doesn’t have a dark type which is very unlike my teams

I like my dark types

Incineroar is lurking

How much does helping hand Tera electric electro drift do to Giratina

[strange fjord]

did you know, on Pokemon Showdown, if you click the "skip to end of turn" button and Giratina happens to use Shadow Force, then it still shows Giratina on the field, unlike if you let the turn play out. Because of this, impatient players have doubled into Giratina in the middle of the shadow force

[strange fjord]

probably a lot

lemme check my set

specs or nah?

[shadow wind]

I’m 196 modest

Nah no specs

I’m betting like 70%

Actually probably less

Giratina has what 150/100/100?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina-Origin

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/120/100/120/100/90

Total

680

Base Species

Giratina

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Why couldn’t I have been blessed with useful information retention

But instead I could tell you any Pokemons stats

[strange fjord]

196+ SpA Hadron Engine Tera-Electric Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 108 HP / 76 SpD Giratina-Origin in Electric Terrain: 149-176 (62.3 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[shadow wind]

Oh dang I was pretty close

I love leading Miraidon Farigiraf

[strange fjord]

damage with tera electic

[shadow wind]

Either they get smoked by Tera electric drift or I volt and trick room

[cyan smelt]

I'm seriously considering running weather ball electivire with kyogre and Groudon

[shadow wind]

Why electivire?

[turbid birch]

[cyan smelt]

Follow me motor drive to redirect electric attacks

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 466: Electivire

Type

Electric

Abilities

Motor Drive, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/123/67/95/85/95

Total

540

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

It gets weather ball and follow me and both mons hate miraidon

[shadow wind]

Groudon is immune to electric types

[dense latch]

groudon hates miraidon?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but doesn't like draco

[shadow wind]

Nothing likes Draco

[dense latch]

who does

[shadow wind]

Zacian I guess

[cyan smelt]

Basically electivire was the only mon with follow me and weather ball

[strange fjord]

Zama ig

[shadow wind]

I don’t know if you need follow me

Holy I need to go to sleep

18 hours in a car and it’s 1 am

Just saying stuff at this point

[cyan smelt]

Well low kick instead then? It gets feint so nobody can wide guard in front of Groudon and kyogre

[shadow wind]

Walking wake works for both of them

Obviously likes sun more

But a water type in rain is never a bad thing

[cyan smelt]

Weather ball wake?

[strange fjord]

hope you're not driving and on discord with surprising but dangerous multitasking skills

[shadow wind]

Nah I was in the back

We left at 6 am so I made it home already

Does Apple CarPlay even work with discord?

[jade dust]

@toxic scarab

[shadow wind]

Like can I get my car to read me messages from discord

[toxic scarab]

is this about how you can make something take like a million damage

[shadow wind]

That sounds really chaotic actually

[toxic scarab]

i know all the competitive ball knowledge gng

in gen 6, showdown allowed mega stones to be knocked off as a bug

[jade dust]

Look at the ember in the end

[toxic scarab]

i did 😭

no ashes left behind 🥀

[jade dust]

See? He gets it

[toxic scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/draje-rocks-stealth-rocks-spikes-forretress-gif-16557767097660400395

[strange fjord]

did you know that theres is/was (not sure if patched) where if an allied Pokemon got hit by heal block or psychic noise on Pokemon Showdown the other Pokemon can still heal them through life dew.

this does not work in game tho

heal block effect does prevent them from healing in game

[toxic scarab]

showdown always has a few bugs when a new dlc or game comes out

[jade dust]

The knock off mega stones was funnier

[toxic scarab]

joey was the one who found out about it

it was during SPL i think and joeys opponent sent out mega venusaur and he clicked knock off as it switched in

and it removed the venusaurite 😭

[strange fjord]

the bug was patched 7 months after final dlc released

[toxic scarab]

💔

[strange fjord]

dont blame them since the interaction was niche

there was a bug that made a Pokemon terastallize after they've been KO'd if they die to rocky helmet while they tera and then use pursuit on a swap that broke my replay analyzer for national dex lol

[toxic scarab]

i remember that lmao

[strange fjord]

there was a move legality bug where Pikachu with a cap was not allowed to have egg moves despite having them accessable through the new Breeding/Picnic transfer method in gen 8-9

[toxic scarab]

u gonna keep throwing not really well known info?

since i dont actually remember this one tbh

[strange fjord]

this was an issue both in game and on showdown. Being a fan of Pikachu wearing a silly hat, I was upset that I couldnt use Fake Out on my Pikachu bc it was not legal in SwSh (until I did a formal complaint through the Pokemon bug reporting online) It was fixed after they redistributed the Cap Pikachu to include the new World Cap. All the Pikachu could remember Volt Tackle and none of them were legal bc the egg move thing until they fixed it a week later lol

it took showdown until SV post DLC to fix the egg move thing

Now I can enjoy using Pikachu with a cap in game and on showdown

that's all competitively relevant niche bugs that i know of.

[cyan smelt]

Building my dual weather team and I've got a pretty eclectic mix here, Groudon, kyogre, electivire, walking wake and iron jugulis which has heat wave and hurricane along with tailwind

Just need a 6th now

Maybe amoonguss as anti tr tech

[stone trellis]

Is Kyogre Tera Grass or Tera Water?

If it's Tera Grass, get something with Wide Guard because CIR is going to cave its skull in.

[cyan smelt]

Dunno if I like tera water but I have electivire so maybe tera water isn't so bad

Maybe toxapex instead

[stone trellis]

You also have Groudon.

[cyan smelt]

The pex has wide guard and I like the idea of trolling with infestation

[stone trellis]

So you want half of your team to be Miraidon food and the other half to be Miraidon counters?

[cyan smelt]

I mean Groudon is gonna get dracoed anyway

Maybe hitmontop?

[stone trellis]

Intimidate + Fake Out + Wide Guard is pretty useful.

[cyan smelt]

I do need fake out

[stone trellis]

You can have Fake Out, Feint, Wide Guard and another attacking move.

Or Protect.

[cyan smelt]

I'm worried if electivire and hitmontop are overlapping if I give both feint

[stone trellis]

Alright then, you can give it another move.

[cyan smelt]

Low kick

[stone trellis]

Low Kick and Brick Break would be a fun combo.

Brick Break destroys Screens, so you can effectively make Grimmsnarl useless if it can't tera.

[cyan smelt]

Do I need protect/detect on hitmontop

[stone trellis]

Could work.

[cyan smelt]

I have enough speed control I think, tailwind on jugulis and electroweb on electivire and mud shot on walking wake

[stone trellis]

Also, what do you want its Tera Type to be?

Ghost?

[cyan smelt]

No idea with that

If I'm not running protect/detect maybe it should be ghost

[stone trellis]

Ghost is funny because you block Astral Barrage anyway.

[stone trellis]

And Fake Out.

As for the item, that's up to you.

[cyan smelt]

Eject pack is funny to cycle intim

[stone trellis]

You're not Wolfe Glick, buddy.

It's not going to work.

But go ahead, this team is niche enough anyway.

[cyan smelt]

The items on munchstats say covert cloak but cloak is on electivire

Maybe sash

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that works.

You could go max Attack, max HP and make it Adamant.

[cyan smelt]

I just realised that scarf miraidon is a big problem

[stone trellis]

Can I see the team?

I'm pretty sure that Scarf Miraidon and Ice Rider Calyrex will dig into this team's cheeks if you don't play really well.

[cyan smelt]

Yeah that's the problem, it was a dumb idea to do dual weather with weather ball

[stone trellis]

On an unrelated note, I have a problem with the Urshifu on my team.

Choice Band gives it just enough power to OHKO everything, but it also needs to be really slow if it wants to survive attacks and that's not ideal when you might be facing down Smeargle.

Nevermind, I solved the problem.

I kind of want to put Ice Spinner on it because it fucks Miraidon and Rillaboom up.

Aqua Jet doesn't really do much anyway.

[spiral nexus]

Hello friens, i have a question
I haven't played competitive Pokemon for a long time, and wanted to try again in Violet
How can i play in OU/NU tier? Or its not possible ingame?

[left bobcat]

Herro FRIEND

[vapid comet]

Not possible in game unfortunately. If you want to play the Smogon tiers, like OU and NU, you have to play on Pokemon Showdown

The only non-Doubles format that has a ladder ingame is BSS

but that format doesn't really see any real competitive play

VGC can ofc be played in game, as the official competitive format

[stone trellis]

I may or may not have crushed this kid's hopes and dreams.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402458063-vnqfa7sviiy139d3uw2g0xh45o734rdpw

[spiral nexus]

Makes sense, used to play Pokemon showdown but wanted to breed some non meta mons that i just like ahahah
Thanks for the info!

[gentle crag]

empathya_ has given 1 Gen Rep to sjknol

[real prairie]

Competitive pokemon hot takes recorded and with my editor 😄 Will share it once its out

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2402460908

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[stone trellis]

Are we talking "CSR is mid" hot or "Groudon is viable" hot?

[molten oasis]

Groudon is viable tho

[stone trellis]

I know.

That's the point.

[real prairie]

guess youll have to watch and see 😉

[stone trellis]

I finally found a way to break Alolan Muk CSR teams.

[knotty mirage]

I'm just using BM ursa for alolan muk

[stone trellis]

What team does BM Ursa even fit in?

[knotty mirage]

Trick room i guess it work well in my caly ice mirai team that is