competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

And I would accept it

I’ve already devoted my life to him why stop here

[foggy lodge]

How does sunny day even work in the pokemon world

[foggy lodge]

Vgc has gone too far

[shadow wind]

It has

[foggy lodge]

Ist time to go to bed grandpa Groudon will win worlds when you wake up

[shadow wind]

He’ll win this year I swear !

[foggy lodge]

CIR Groudon lowkey a threat

[shadow wind]

I do wonder how Groudon will do this year cause last year he very much underperformed

I still think Groudon Miraidon is better than Groudon CIR

[foggy lodge]

Last year there were 6 Groudons in day 2

And none of them made top cut

[shadow wind]

Exactly

Is it too much to ask for a top 8?

[foggy lodge]

One of those teams was the Altaria Sableye shit

[shadow wind]

😔

[foggy lodge]

Maybe it was a teambuilding problem

[shadow wind]

Yeah that’s why Groudon didn’t win

[rustic mountain]

still got the w tho

[shadow wind]

I didn’t go to worlds

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

You have to make top cut with Groudon this time Conner

[rustic mountain]

r u planning on competing at tours ever

[shadow wind]

Yeah Groudon just wanted me to be on my toes

[rustic mountain]

hes keeping u honest

[shadow wind]

I want to

[rustic mountain]

yea its tough i get it

[shadow wind]

But I’ll only do it if the opportunities come

[rustic mountain]

makes sense

[shadow wind]

But the plan for me is to move to Australia next year for Uni so I’ll get 1 regional for sure

[rustic mountain]

nice

[lofty tartan]

Life > VGC

[shadow wind]

Yeah the uni is in Perth so as long as the regional stays there I can go

[shadow wind]

100%

[lofty tartan]

Perth Regional will be lit, though. So totally worth it.

[shadow wind]

And I’ll be there for schooling anyway so it’s a win win

[lofty tartan]

I've had some friends in Australia for some years, so I've heard my share about Perth. I mean, seeing the world is already a huge win.

[shadow wind]

Definitely

[lofty tartan]

Attending a Perth Regional with it technically being a local is pretty rad.

[shadow wind]

I want to end up in Australia like permanently so uni there will be a good start

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I was going to go stay in Germany for... a time 👀

[shadow wind]

I just want to get out of the cold

[lofty tartan]

Lmao I hear you. I live in Maine.

[foggy lodge]

I want to see you with your seismologist title Conner

[lofty tartan]

I left my state when I turned 19 because the cold sucks.

[shadow wind]

Yup, I’ve lived in Alberta my whole life so leaving will be a blessing

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately I’m doing computer sciences 😔

[lofty tartan]

Pretty marketable so not that unfortunate. I'm a tech junkie myself

I have a really mixed background though.

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I’m pretty lucky I was able to get into the course

I needed pre calc and only 5 kids in my entire school took it this year

[lofty tartan]

For sure. It can get competitive sometimes. A lot of people gearing to go into it thinking they have guaranteed job placement forgetting they have to do their mandatory years in the trenches.

[shadow wind]

Granted I live in a small town so there’s only around 300 kids in my school but 5 is not a lot

[lofty tartan]

Know the feels.

I'm originally from a small area in my state. Really rural.

[shadow wind]

I’m just waiting for my finals marks to come back and then I can be fully accepted instead of having a conditional offer

[lofty tartan]

Well good luck for sure

[shadow wind]

Thanks

I couldn’t have possibly failed the one required course so I’m not stressing over it

[lofty tartan]

Right

[shadow wind]

And my thought process is that I’d rather be in debt in Australia than be in debt in Canada

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401200221-2lalv9a6ix0s7i2jfm3y2ire25xfjlxpw

[shadow wind]

Cause I’ll be in debt either way !

[jade dust]

So fucking annoying

I’m glad I beat that asshole

To use tera on incin instead of terapagos

What a clown

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401202509-nloqets82n1cw6kkkn6mquobwabfdgkpw chien pao shenanigans

[shadow wind]

Jesus that man looked like it was his first day on the job

You guys are sending so many replays I feel so left out 😔

[jade dust]

This regulation is probably the hardest one I have played

In old regulations I was hanging around top 100 with 1800 elo but now I’m in the 1650s-1700

[shadow wind]

I actually have really enjoyed Reg I

[jade dust]

Just in top 500

I do enjoy it but everything is so broken

Even some not very broken niche teams appear here and there

With Eternatus and Oh Ho

[foggy lodge]

Its a hard format to figure out

[jade dust]

But they work for some reason

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey said the same that is like top 3 hardest formats he has played

[molten oasis]

I laughed so hard when he threw groudon in there

[shadow wind]

If 2 pressure mons are on the field do you lose 3 or 2 pp?

[molten oasis]

I was like “oh, alright thanks”

[foggy lodge]

hmmmmmmm

[shadow wind]

Yeah nah, not how you play Groudon

[jade dust]

Yeah I agree

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t go that far

[jade dust]

Harder than gen 6 mega kamghaska

[lofty tartan]

Mega Kanga will live again

[foggy lodge]

Today I played Kobayashi's team on cart ladder and fought the Rhyperior Kyogre CIR team twice

[shadow wind]

Primal Groudon 🙏🙏🙏

[foggy lodge]

Both times Rhyperior was a free atk boost to CIR

[jade dust]

Not like in gen 6 that power up punch was a swords dance that deals damage

Some use evolite tera fairy Rhydon to wall Miraidon

If they have Rhydon in the team preview I draco meteor expecting a switch

Always works

[shadow wind]

Yknow something I didn’t realize until I saw other teams play is that Groudon makes me work for the win

Like I see some CSR teams plays and it just looks so linear

Or that Terapagos Miraidon team

[jade dust]

Groudon isn’t as bad as people here say

Presicles blades is a powerful move and it hurts when it lands

Even on neutral hits

[rustic mountain]

its like fringe top 10 which is mid

[shadow wind]

Thanks for letting me know

[shadow wind]

I always place it 9th - 11th

[molten oasis]

At least Zac is 9th

[rustic mountain]

bad is like zekrom

[molten oasis]

I take what I can get

[jade dust]

It’s the fact that people act like if it didn’t. Groudon still hits hard

[rustic mountain]

yea id have it somewhere there as well

[jade dust]

Just cuz Koraidon hits harder doesn’t mean Groudon deals no damage

[shadow wind]

Because most Groudon can’t afford 252 adamant

[jade dust]

What do they use then?

[molten oasis]

I wonder if Zac Ho-oh and Groudon are just always fighting for 9th lol

[jade dust]

Groudon doesn’t want speed

[shadow wind]

Like 76 adamant

The dude has 100/140/90

An ice beam from iron bundle and he’s folding

[molten oasis]

Pfff

Not from midbundle too

[shadow wind]

Most run very specially bulky

[molten oasis]

Tbf groudon hates Draco from like, every dragon lol

[jade dust]

Pfft I don’t use ice beam. My only attacking moves on iron bundle are icy wind and hydro pump

[molten oasis]

Notably miraidon or bolt (cuz bolt is bulky asf

[foggy lodge]

I remember the slow Miraidons on arubega used the benchmark of Groudon and Kyogre lol

[jade dust]

The rest is taunt and protect

[shadow wind]

Taunt iron bundle is wild work

[molten oasis]

I get it

Fast non prio taunt is good

[shadow wind]

I find encore better in 90% of situations

[rustic mountain]

1csr-2mirai-3cir-4lunala-5zamazenta-6korai-7kyogre-8terapagos-9zacian-10groudon

[molten oasis]

True it does get encore

LETS GO ZACIAN KEEPS 9TH

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[shadow wind]

THANK YOU FOR KILLING HO-OH

[rustic mountain]

its been dead

[molten oasis]

That fucking bird that I hate

[foggy lodge]

FUCK THE BIRD

[shadow wind]

Bro Ho oh smokes me

[jade dust]

I don’t feel the need to encore cuz icy wind and electro drill/draco meteor nuke everything

[shadow wind]

😔

[rustic mountain]

damn

[molten oasis]

I think CSR and Mirai are interchangeable but I agree with this

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont disagree w/ that

[shadow wind]

Protect does in fact stop all that

[molten oasis]

They’re both, nuts lol

[shadow wind]

CSR and Miraidon are just extremely splashable

Work with pretty much everything

[jade dust]

Taunt prevents trick room from going on as well

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon and friends vs CSR and friends the world championship

That should be the name of worlds this year

[jade dust]

And doesn’t get blocked by terrain or armor tail

[molten oasis]

Yippee

[shadow wind]

I’d personally rank Miraidon above CSR right now just due to the fact that a lot of things want to Tera in the meta and CSR needs it more than Miraidon

[molten oasis]

I just wanna bully people with Zac pao

[rustic mountain]

i jus have csr personally having an edge based on it being less reliant on field terrain aspects for its ability to snowball, while miraidon has the versatility of switching itself out w/ volt switch. i just think the potential offensive power from csr is greater therefore its slightly better

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[jade dust]

Prevents eternatus from using cosmic power too

Or minimize on muk

[rustic mountain]

but if some1 has mirai #1 like i totally get it

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah those 2 are just the goats right now

[shadow wind]

On any given day either could be #1

[foggy lodge]

I updated my tier list

Pagos Mirai is underrated

Pagos is better than people think

[rustic mountain]

i think b tier is fair, pagos is a b tier mon

[foggy lodge]

Borderline A tier duo imo

[shadow wind]

And Groudon is a C tier mon 😔

[foggy lodge]

I don't put it higher just because of results that aren't as good as the other ones

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont see it doing well at worlds

[shadow wind]

Groudon on the other hand

[foggy lodge]

And Kyogre CIR was not in the tier list but it would be near Pagos Mirai

[shadow wind]

We getting first at worlds baby

I love you Groudon

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

The top 3 are indeed what I have to fight against the most

[foggy lodge]

btw I got my Scream Tail plush

[rustic mountain]

nice

[jade dust]

I run into mirrors a lot

[shadow wind]

Not life sized total scam

[foggy lodge]

Imagine

Its 1.2m bro

[shadow wind]

I feel like I don’t run into that many CSR Zamas anymore

[foggy lodge]

I only run into Umbra's team rn

[shadow wind]

These are the last 17 teams I played against

[foggy lodge]

Ayo that's a Dusclops

[shadow wind]

Dude there was some wack teams

[foggy lodge]

Most of them are

[shadow wind]

Low elo moment

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon scarf with calm mind Lunala lowkey cooks tho

[shadow wind]

I ran into a lot of Koraidons

[foggy lodge]

Double terrain looks fun to play

[shadow wind]

Thank god Groudon dog walks Koraidon

I just realized there’s 3 Clefairies in that list

[jade dust]

That’s the first regigigas I see

Most weezing teams don’t use it

[foggy lodge]

I remember playing Koraidon on reg G and I kept losing against and was like "but shouldn't I win this MU?"

[shadow wind]

What’s better than 2 Restricteds? 3 Restricteds !!!

[foggy lodge]

And when I played Groudon it all made sense

[shadow wind]

Nah Groudon is goated in that MU

140 defense is no joke

[foggy lodge]

Fs

[cyan smelt]

Need to start playing again, I got discouraged because I kept losing with that koraidon lunala brute bonnet team

[jade dust]

Groudon indeed is good against Koraidon

[shadow wind]

I feel like it’d be better if I branched out to other Restricteds so that I could actually help people when they don’t want to use Groudon

[jade dust]

Specially with walking wake

[shadow wind]

But that doesn’t sound like me

[foggy lodge]

Conner how much money would someone have to pay you to stop playing groudon for a week

[shadow wind]

Ah probably like 15 bucks

[jade dust]

Honestly if you’re using a sun team and you don’t run walking wake something is wrong with your team

[shadow wind]

I disagree

[jade dust]

It’s so good in this format tho

[shadow wind]

Walking wake is great but does not need to be on every sun team

[foggy lodge]

Walking wake having 5% usage on sun teams:

[shadow wind]

So is Raging bolt

[jade dust]

I KNOW I DONT GET IT

It gets snarl too

[foggy lodge]

Surely the 95% is doing it wrong

[jade dust]

Very useful move

[shadow wind]

Pretty much have to commit your AV then

[foggy lodge]

I fuck more with specs

[jade dust]

When I use it I did focus sash

[foggy lodge]

But that's just me

[shadow wind]

I use lorb so same idea

[jade dust]

I did use life orb too

[shadow wind]

The whole point is the guy nukes stuff

[jade dust]

But found sash to be better

[shadow wind]

He’s a sun sweeper after all

[jade dust]

For my team at least

[jade dust]

I mean it can weaken CSR

[foggy lodge]

Guessing Wake's item on bo1 is like a Schrodinger cat game tho

[jade dust]

With snarl

[shadow wind]

Don’t need to if you can OHKO it

[shadow wind]

Just assume they’re all AV

Cause no one is a free thinker and they love copying teams

[foggy lodge]

Me!

[shadow wind]

No shade

[jade dust]

Many run sash so in my matches

So can’t OHKO

[shadow wind]

Thank goodness there’s 2 mons on the field

[jade dust]

That’s why I decided to use icy wind bundle instead of tailwind

It breaks the sash and then Miraidon KOs it

Well in a sun team you can do the same thing with icy wind flutter

[shadow wind]

And then icy wind misses 😔

I’ve kinda written off Flutter mane from the team I’m currently running but it might be an option

[molten oasis]

I’m a free thinker

[shadow wind]

Me too!!!

My mind is so liberated from the horses

My brain is a factory run by many tiny Groudons

[foggy lodge]

Is your brain burning

[shadow wind]

Constantly steaming from the ears yes

[jade dust]

It sucks when it misses but 95 accuracy isn’t bad

However it’s not 100

[shadow wind]

Groudon is like a symbiote and he’s taken over

[foggy lodge]

A Venom inside your head

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

[foggy lodge]

Its draining your blood soon you will have many Flutter Manes on your brain too

[jade dust]

I’m still mad they removed scald from everyone without making an alternative

Yes fuck scald

But make another consistent water special move

That isn’t hydro pump

[shadow wind]

Water fall
Liquidation
Aqua jet

Wave crash

[ionic dagger]

@shadow wind Special

[shadow wind]

Earth power

[foggy lodge]

Hydrosteam!

[shadow wind]

I’m thinking hard about this

[jade dust]

Just 80 power special 100 accurate

[shadow wind]

No consistent physical Ground moves

No consistent special Water moves

[ionic dagger]

Earthquake?

[foggy lodge]

HHP is good enough

[shadow wind]

Alright then surf

[jade dust]

^

[shadow wind]

Yknow what I’ll take that

HHP is good enough

[jade dust]

Headlong rush exists too

[shadow wind]

Groudon doesn’t get that one

[foggy lodge]

I think it wouldn't use it anyways

[shadow wind]

Nah probably not

[foggy lodge]

It wants to be bulky

[jade dust]

Water has a problem in special side, one it didn’t have before

[shadow wind]

Groudon is a big longevity guy

[jade dust]

Exactly

Presicles blades is good as well

[shadow wind]

Origin pulse is as well then

[jade dust]

Water now has the problem flying has

But flying is in physical too unless you’re a bird

[shadow wind]

At least a lot of mons gets hurricane

I know you said physical but at least hurricane is uber strong

I wish Sun got moves like that

Thunder
Hurricane
All 4 genie moves

[jade dust]

It relies too much in rain

But it’s better than nothing

Water gets nothing

[shadow wind]

This is true

At least the big water guys get special moves

Not Palkia, Palkia doesn’t exist

[jade dust]

I just want an alternative to scald

I hate scald but it’s worse to have no special water option besides hydro pump

[shadow wind]

I’m inclined to agree there

As much as I’m Groudon pilled and oh water sucks, Hydro pump being the best option is not good

Weather ball?

Reliant on rain I know but it’s pretty strong

[jade dust]

I think it’s a crime as well than enamorous signature move doesn’t get accuracy boost

[shadow wind]

I feel like Pblades and Opulse should be like 90 acc

[jade dust]

At that point it’s a worse dazzling gleam

[tiny karma]

Move: Springtide Storm

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

5 (8)

Targets

All adjacent opponents

Introduced

Generation 9

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[jade dust]

Why would you use her signature over dazzling gleam

[tiny karma]

Move: Sandsear Storm

Has a 20% chance to burn the target. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 80%.

Type

Ground

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Wow that sucks

At least it gets moonblast

Which is the greatest move ever made

Like who okayed that

[tiny karma]

Move: Moonblast

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Move: Fire Punch

Has a 10% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

It’s just not fair 😭😭

[jade dust]

Base enamorous just has too many issues, having no way to use contrary as well

Turtle is better for a trick room sweeper at least

I used turtle enamorous to get top 50 in reg G with caly ice team

Covercloak is better than contrary to at least be immune to amoonguss

[shadow wind]

Reg G was my prime 😔

I think I’m finally coming back but I still feel washed

[jade dust]

Me literally

Barely hanging in low top 500

Reg G was some of the most fun I had

Nobody else was running enamorous

[molten oasis]

Reg F was my prime

[shadow wind]

I started in Reg F so that definitely want my prime

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/ea49a4061a9ccc45

This was my goated team

[foggy lodge]

It is a team

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/1cd0a701210359c6

This was mine

[jade dust]

Googles raging bolt

Interesting

[shadow wind]

God bless Entei

[molten oasis]

Oh my reg f team was gas

https://pokebin.com/8cd89259eafa2e7c

It was awful into bolt lol

Well not awful but it was a hard mu

Oh lando would have been great over dengo

[shadow wind]

I peaked 7th with mine

[molten oasis]

I got 5th in a tournament with mine

[shadow wind]

How big was the tour?

[jade dust]

That is impressive with a big weakness to raging bolt

[shadow wind]

As long as the tour had more than 5 people

[foggy lodge]

This were my teams during reg G iirc

[shadow wind]

Wow that’s a lot of different Restricteds

[molten oasis]

This is what I’m talking about

KYOGRE AND ZAC BOTH MISSED THE INCIN

I WON EVERYTIME OTHERWISE LIKE

I HATE PLAYING KYOGRE

ITS MISERABLE

I won EVERYTIME if KYOGRE DID ITS FUCKING JOB

[ocean pawn]

just don't miss

[molten oasis]

Thanks

[shadow wind]

That really sucks

I hate it when you play well and they just get punished for nothing

Lost in the team builder

[ocean pawn]

i think combined i hit more hydro pumps and origian pulse then i have missed

so honestly it's a skill issue

[shadow wind]

Drago, I believe that you’ll hit 1700

[jade dust]

When I used Kyogre I used it slow with a faster Wo Chein and pollen puff

[bold geode]

I've been good this Reg
Though I did tank 200 ELO recently
Tbf I should've stopped myself

[jade dust]

Wo Chein with pollen puff, leech seed, ruination and protect

Leftovers and tera poison

[bold geode]

I've hit 1600 like 5-6 times with a team this format

Never hit it once before

[jade dust]

Wo Chein had like 70 base speed so you can make it faster than Kyogre without needing to invest much in speed

[shadow wind]

We all saw the team

[molten oasis]

I’m not playing kyogre lol

I’m just not, Mirai is working

[shadow wind]

Miraidon is awesome !

[jade dust]

It was a fun team for sure

[shadow wind]

Had to play against it lots

[jade dust]

Wo Chein won me some games cuz it went from red HP back to full cuz they kept ignoring it

And when they realized they had red HP from leech seed cheap damage was already too late

[molten oasis]

Fkcn, worthless fish

[shadow wind]

Yup

[jade dust]

Now the way they use Kyogre is with power band and in trick room

With caly ice

[shadow wind]

I’m so happy I switched to hands on my team for that

[jade dust]

I also use tera water hands for that

[shadow wind]

I have Tera bug because my I have zero ground resists on my team

[jade dust]

He is fat enough to tank both full HP water spout and glacial lance

And OHKO kyogre

Surprisingly Ogerpon hearthflame can OHKO tera grass Kyogre and Zacian under rain

If she teras fire

[shadow wind]

With enough attack invest yeah

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon moment

[jade dust]

150 atk is enough yes

Probably an overkill anyway

It’s a lot of multipliers

Tera doubles power and +1 atk

[turbid birch]

what other pokemon should sum1 run with ursaluna?? im thinking calyrex ice with trick room and miriadon??

or is ursaluna not good rn

[shadow wind]

Depends on the form but Ursaluna regular is extremely good right now

[jade dust]

Yes you can run that effectively

Guts, facade, headlong rush

[turbid birch]

yeah regular form

[shadow wind]

NAIC and Milwaukee champ teams both had Ursa

[turbid birch]

im kinda stuck on what other pokemon to use...rn i was thinking urshifu, ogerpon (fire), and grimmsnarl???

with ursaluna, miraidon, and calyrex obv

[foggy lodge]

what are tour restricteds

[shadow wind]

They ran

Miraidon
Lunala
Urshifu-R
Incineroar
Ursaluna
Grimmsnarl/Whimsicott

[foggy lodge]

oh cir mirai

[turbid birch]

what is better, miriadon + lunala or miriadon + calyrex??

ik theyre both good and ive been having success with miriadon + lunala

[shadow wind]

Miraidon Lunala is better for Ursaluna

It allows you to easily click EQ and almost always get tr up

[foggy lodge]

Ursaluna CIR is better for hard TR

With Mirainala is more like balance

With a TR mode

[jade dust]

You can get away with ursaluna and caly ice but I prefer iron hands

[turbid birch]

ima run mira + luna and see what happens, if anything i can always change it up

i lwk wanna replace ogerpon with incin but i despise incin sm i do not wanna use it

[shadow wind]

It’ll be so worth it

Like however much you hate him it will outweigh it

[bold geode]

Incineroar is the goat

[molten oasis]

Monke what is that username lmao

@bold geode I already saw it

[bold geode]

Humuhumunukunukuapua'a

[jade dust]

What am I looking at

[turbid birch]

the Pincurchin...

[foggy lodge]

If the best vgc player also hates it and still uses it one just has to accept it lol

[turbid birch]

ur right...ive accepted my fate

now its time to hunt for a shiny litten cuz i like to be extra ig

[foggy lodge]

Idk why people hate Incin tbh

He was won me a lot of games

Thanks Incin

[turbid birch]

me personally

i js done like its design and its kinda annoying to go against

tbh hes my least fav out of all the alolan starters

primarina on top

[jade dust]

That’s how they beat Rilla

But nothing is stopping the monkey from using fake out

Unless they lead both mira and pinch and switch in fari

[foggy lodge]

Only if Miraidon had a move that would let it do damage while also pivoting to get the terrain back later...

[shadow wind]

Wait but I don’t use Incin

[foggy lodge]

The best vgc player is in denial about Groudon sadly

[jade dust]

How much def and HP Kyogre uses?

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-just-be-cool-just-once-neil-patrick-harris-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-11579653

Your name

[jade dust]

The most common Kyogre sets

How much HP and Def

[lofty tartan]

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2025regi/1760/Kyogre

[jade dust]

Max HP and 68 def huh

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-dont-teach-a-man-to-fish-you-feed-yourself-gif-13117149

[jade dust]

+1 150+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 68 Def Tera Grass Kyogre in Rain: 196-232 (94.6 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[lofty tartan]

I'd calc vs modest 236/252 as well since it's only a 3% difference in usage

[jade dust]

Yeah true

I mean it’s for sure not a OHKO

If it’s max def and max HP

[lofty tartan]

Actually I misread the calc and you're fine. That's about as bulky as the bulkier ones you'll see

[jade dust]

Yee

[lofty tartan]

It's just getting them to tera Grass in front of Hearthflame rather than just switching

[jade dust]

+1 150+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 108 HP / 44 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 224-264 (118.5 - 139.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[lofty tartan]

I love me some sky whale but I'm not keen on blowing my tera in front of Hearth

[jade dust]

I can do that since I use Miraidon

[lofty tartan]

[jade dust]

Eat electro drill or Ivy cudgel

[molten oasis]

“He’s a grown man, fishings not that hard.”

[lofty tartan]

Actually bought my kiddo a fishing rod today. Her request. Gonna be rad.

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm pretty excited.

I'm gonna take her walking out over the river - when the tide gets low the rocks are exposed and you can walk right out into the middle of it

And fish in the deep areas

[jade dust]

Actually

+1 150+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Horn Leech vs. 252 HP / 68 Def Kyogre: 222-264 (107.2 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If they don’t tera, horn leech is a OHKO anyway

Or if they are tera water

I’m surprised that horn leech is much stronger after tera. I know that it’s +1 atk but before tera it’s STAB

150+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Horn Leech vs. 252 HP / 68 Def Kyogre: 150-176 (72.4 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is without tera

[molten oasis]

I hope she enjoys that

[jade dust]

@molten oasis hey

[molten oasis]

[jade dust]

What’s the Zacian evs spread?

[molten oasis]

The one everyone here uses? 1 sec

[jade dust]

Yee

[molten oasis]

Zacian @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground/Stellar/Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Play Rough
• Tera Blast/Sacred Sword/Sub/Swords Dance
• Protect

[jade dust]

Thanks

+1 150+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned in Rain: 172-204 (93.4 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

HUMUHUMUNUKUNUKUAPUA'A

[rustic mountain]

zacian@ cant run any other item
ability:nerfed
level: who cares
tera type:
evs: blah blah blah
mid nature
-boring
-boring
-boring
-boring

[jade dust]

+1 156+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned in Rain: 176-208 (95.6 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Close

[molten oasis]

Tree lmao

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

It’s not groudon

[rustic mountain]

it is not groudon thats tru

[waxen dock]

which team is better?

https://pokepast.es/e727d7cb7bfd5f07

https://pokepast.es/bc50e3cc8e35c655

[jade dust]

2nd but add incineroar instead of amoonguss

[waxen dock]

why?

[jade dust]

So you have a water grass fire core

You can swap Rilla as well but

Helps against miraidon

[waxen dock]

i have torn against rilla

[jade dust]

Then you can replace it with incin

I hate the grass monkey too

[waxen dock]

i need tailwind

[waxen dock]

why are you so obssesd about incin?

[jade dust]

Intimidate

Good defensive core

Many Koraidons and caly ice don’t use clear amulet anymore

So intimidate is very good

[waxen dock]

I have zacian against them

[jade dust]

Alright

Then first team

If you’re confident to not meet incin

[solid frigate]

i'd argue 1st,Chien Pao solves so much matchup problems for Kyogre and boosts Zacian

[shadow wind]

Catching strays on nothing is crazy

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401293011-k1u9o85ood8tn3npos0paafw0s9rdwhpw

Lmfaaooooo

The play I had to do to force a fake out

It was a hard game

One of the most risky plays I have done

[waxen dock]

he was greedy

he should have attacked you

[jade dust]

Yeah

I was in a bad position cuz my Ivy cudgel didn’t OHKO

[waxen dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401296850-j4bttxxrphhxwx8x1gl715th0tpuh84pw

banded calyrex

252 Atk Choice Band Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chien-Pao on a critical hit: 122-144 (78.7 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[turbid birch]

guess who js got a shiny litten for his team

[waxen dock]

and it isn't low ladder

its somene from the top 500

[turbid birch]

can’t believe I’ve fallen for the incin propaganda

[waxen dock]

maybe its just melted ice calyrex that got the highest roll

[jade dust]

How was miraidon faster?

Scarf?

[waxen dock]

Yes

[knotty mirage]

Is there a reason why some people on cart ladder use rhyperior ?

[opal shale]

Hey guys, i want to get ba k into pvp singles after a long time. I really like umbreon and i was wondering if someone could help me creating a team with toxic umbreon?

[stone trellis]

Because it mauls Miraidon.

Tera Fairy + Lightning Rod + Assault Vest walls everything Miraidon can do.

And it can fire back with a STAB High Horsepower that makes Mirai see the light of God.

136+ Atk Rhyperior High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 174-206 (98.8 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[knotty mirage]

So miraidon counter even tho i see more of them use tera water that is

[stone trellis]

Lightning Rod.

You're still immune to it.

[knotty mirage]

Yeah the electric attack not the draco meteor

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's kind of stupid.

Tera Fairy removes your weakness to Grass type moves, which is an obvious problem.

And neither Zamazenta or Zacian would appreciate switching into a STAB High Horsepower.

[stone trellis]

Alright, I've figured out the tiers for the tier list and now I need to place everyone.

Miraidon, CIR and CSR obviously go to the top tier and Lunala as well as Zamazenta (maybe Kyogre and Koraidon too) go to "Really good".

What about the others?

[turbid birch]

Incin goes to “no”

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, my favourite restricted legendary Pokemon.

[dense latch]

S: Mirai CSR CIR
A: Zama Lunala Kyogre Koraidon
if there's an A-/B+: Pagos
B: Zacian Groudon Ho-Oh
i couldn't care less about the other restricteds im ngl

[stone trellis]

I could put Pagos at the top of B.

[molten oasis]

Miraidon CSR CIR
Lunala Zama Koraidon Kyogre
Pagos Zacian Groudon
Everything else

[dense latch]

ho-oh could be lower kind of a fraud recently

[molten oasis]

I think Pagos is a b tier mon

A tier is generous for it

[dense latch]

it's not at the level of lunala zama korai etc but it's def better than groudon imo

top of b makes sense yea

[molten oasis]

Yea top of B

[stone trellis]

Aight, this is the list.

[molten oasis]

If it’s ordered, I’d do Lunala, Koraidon, Zama, then Ogre

[foggy lodge]

2-0 at the trainers school tour

Let's gooo

[molten oasis]

Good shit

[foggy lodge]

Kobayashi's team is broken

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-miraidon-gif-749037957144138891

[stone trellis]

Rinya made a team?

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[molten oasis]

Miraidon is a very balanced pokemon

[stone trellis]

I need to see a paste.

[molten oasis]

What? Why did that happen? Lmao

[foggy lodge]

Nah it's someone who is also named Kobayashi

[shadow wind]

Groudon top 10 😭

[foggy lodge]

It's not Rinya

[shadow wind]

Enough to make a grown man cry

[stone trellis]

Damn.

Send a paste.

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/a74b8ba6226aaecd

They have the rental on their twitter account

[stone trellis]

10/32 isn't half bad.

[molten oasis]

I thought you didn’t like Fari

[foggy lodge]

It's good on this team

[molten oasis]

I see

[foggy lodge]

Its a secondary tr user

[stone trellis]

Literally just Reg I Big Six, but with Farig instead of Amoonguss.

[foggy lodge]

Basically

Its the team of Utretch special but scarf shifu instead of banded and Farig over Grimmsnarl

Scarf shifu opens for nasty lines

Surging strikes + volt switch into Lunala kos it

[stone trellis]

I see the vision.

Tera Water fits more, right?

[molten oasis]

You have Fari so yea

[stone trellis]

Alright, I'll make a team.

Since this is lefties CIR, I assume I'll have to go more defensive.

Back to the Miraidon E-Drift calc spread we go!

[molten oasis]

Oh it is lefties CIR? Gross

[foggy lodge]

252 HP/ 172 is a must

Can even go higher

[stone trellis]

Not 252 / 196?

[foggy lodge]

I have the original evs give me a moment

[stone trellis]

252/172 survives Barrage from max Special Attack Orb CSR, right?

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/acbf68b75ab034a5

[stone trellis]

36 Speed?

For what purpose?

[foggy lodge]

Speed check other CIR

[stone trellis]

Just give it 12 and you're good.

[foggy lodge]

Slightly faster outside of TR so you can know what is the speed order

And also wins the 1v1 between leech seeds

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/fe5d0056b1800f23 I’m debating a few members for this. I think an ogerpon on the 5th slot is really good, but I’m not sure if I do incin Grimmsnarl hands or Fari

[stone trellis]

Fair point, but 12 does the same thing.

[dense latch]

36 does the same thing but outspeeds the 12

[molten oasis]

It also determines the pon form, which would be hearth or wellspring I think

[foggy lodge]

Basically

Is just a food chain of 36 speed beats 12 speed

[molten oasis]

I also wonder if I do specs Mirai

[stone trellis]

Hold on, does Lando-T KO Tera Grass Zama with Sludge Bomb?

[foggy lodge]

Probably not

[stone trellis]

It feels like every single Zamazenta runs Tera Grass and I need a way of breaking it.

[foggy lodge]

Or well maybe

Let me see

Wait yeah it does

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tera Poison Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Grass Zamazenta-Crowned: 198-234 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

I remember I calced my zama to survive sludge bomb in reg G

[dense latch]

i think scarf is fine

[stone trellis]

It needs like, 252 HP and 228 Special Defense to be completely out of KO range.

[dense latch]

like it functions as speed control in a way which you're kinda lacking atm

[foggy lodge]

I also love this Landorus speed

I've underspeeded so many Urshifus

[stone trellis]

This seems pretty great overall.

[dense latch]

what does it hit with 28 EVs?

[molten oasis]

Ok

[foggy lodge]

125

[molten oasis]

So what about rounding out the team lol

[foggy lodge]

Is also the food chain of mons that speed creep jolly incin

So you are faster than them

[dense latch]

i've been thinking of a good last two for a bit one sec

[stone trellis]

Wait, why does Miraidon run 132 Timid?

[dense latch]

like i could see any of the mons you mentioned depending on where you wanna take the team

[foggy lodge]

Speed creep modest Mirai

[stone trellis]

What does it survive with 108 / 52?

[stone trellis]

Makes sense.

[foggy lodge]

I think its ice spinner

And body press

[stone trellis]

Let me check.

Oh, this makes sense.

It also seems to do pretty well into Icicle Crash.

It's only a 50% chance to KO.

[stone trellis]

124 does the same job.

[foggy lodge]

Again is the same of speed creeps

Mons are going 188 to speed creep the 135 and then 189 speed creeps it

[stone trellis]

108 / 68 also cuts the chance of Icicle Crash KOing into 37,5%.

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[dense latch]

you outspeed those mons that want to just barely outspeed those 135s

i doubt those 8 evs in bulk would drastically impact calcs so investing in speed creeps will prob make the most impact

[stone trellis]

Why is Incineroar 116 Adamant?

It's for Tera Bug U-turn KOing Tera Dark CSR, isn't it?

[dense latch]

lol

maybe actually

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, it doesn't even do 80%.

[dense latch]

flare blitz into rilla

[foggy lodge]

Adamant Incin is very strong people don't pay enough attention to it

[dense latch]

116+ incin is so fun

[foggy lodge]

People forget its a base 115 atk mon

[stone trellis]

116+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 204-240 (99 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
This?

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Incineroar in Electric Terrain: 177-208 (87.6 - 102.9%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO decent enough

my av incin has a bit more spdef to always tank this but the speed creeping for fast fake outs is pretty important too

[stone trellis]

Yeah, this seems pretty well thought out.

[molten oasis]

I’ve talked with others about this yesterday it seemed like fake out would be nice

I have a paste with wellspring and incin in the builder currently, and I’ve thought about hands Hearthflame

[dense latch]

incin looks strong

[stone trellis]

Alright, I'll build this team in Violet tomorrow.

[stone trellis]

+6 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 166-196 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

All that work for a drop of blood...

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/f2ecb34b9940f4bf

So this?

[foggy lodge]

Against MDB team

We both leaded Mirai Inci lmao

[bold geode]

Chat
I have made a tierlist on how I personally think Worlds will go
Basically chances
Keep in mind there is opinion sprinkled in

[waxen dock]

Swirdfish in c?

[foggy lodge]

Swordfish is better than ZamaOgre

[molten oasis]

Assuming kyogre hits its moves

[stone trellis]

Hold on, why is the Farigiraf in Kazuki's team 156 Modest?

What is bro killing with that?

[foggy lodge]

3-1 we are so back

https://tenor.com/view/landorus-gif-16335385009396967343

[stone trellis]

Electro, what the hell is up with that Farigiraf?

[foggy lodge]

I haven't run the exact calvs but pretty sure its to get 2HKOs on Hands and Ursaluna stuff

And Amoonguss

And Weezing

[stone trellis]

156+ SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 140 HP / 68 SpD Ursaluna: 76-91 (34 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
156+ SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 76 HP / 236 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands: 96-114 (40.1 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
156+ SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 236 HP / 36 SpD Amoonguss: 162-192 (73.9 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
156+ SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 252 HP / 156+ SpD Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar: 140-168 (81.3 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dense latch]

that was quick

[stone trellis]

I always have the damage calculator ready.

You never know when I'll get another diabolical team idea.

On that note, why is Lando running Sandsear?

[molten oasis]

Spread damage

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[bold geode]

It could be higher and could do better
But I'm not putting my chips on it

[stone trellis]

It feels like Lando and CIR pressure Zamazenta a lot.

[bold geode]

Sorely underestimated

[molten oasis]

Idt it’s better than swordfish but I think it’s better than what people are saying

[bold geode]

It's my underdog pick
Has innovation for sure

That part has my opinion but like
I think it can get there
I'm here to spread the propaganda

[foggy lodge]

Spreading lies smh

[bold geode]

People shit on Zam Ogre cuz they're too used to the TW hyper offense Kyogre stuff that's so linear and also cuz the duo gets shit on by Mirai not even considering that quite a few things to help against Mirai make good partners

People can't accept change

[foggy lodge]

Tbf there wasn't much representation of that duo at NAIC

[bold geode]

On stream yeah

If you look at results bro
That shit popped off

[foggy lodge]

On stream with fucking tera dark imprison zama

[bold geode]

But no it's not the norm so people won't even think about it at all

Gives narrow minded

[stone trellis]

Look at this shit.

[waxen dock]

Can you explain?

[stone trellis]

It's literally kiddie slop.

"I'm only going to use the strongest Pokemon!" ahh team 😭

[waxen dock]

Tgis team looks very similar to your team

The only diffrence is the calyrexes lanforus and i hands

[molten oasis]

I also think people are just prepping for worlds and getting like

Their mu’s into the top things ready

[stone trellis]

I'm so shit at VGC, man.

And I've watched the video on how to get better, but that doesn't help.

[foggy lodge]

Because one video doesn't suddenly improve your play

Every competitive game is a process

[stone trellis]

I know what I need to do in order to get better, but I just can't.

I'm just going to stick to team building for others.

[solid frigate]

Bnuuy

[turbid birch]

is choice specs better or assault vest for miriadon??

[stone trellis]

Depends on the team, really.

[turbid birch]

I’ve been running assault vest but i feel like my Miraidon keeps getting outsped

[stone trellis]

Scarf helps.

[foggy lodge]

AV Miraidon always runs slow

Unless you are my opponent from round 1 today which used 252 timid av Mirai lmao

[bold geode]

Getting better isn't instant
It's a steady build up

[turbid birch]

i have choice scarf on my urshifu

[stone trellis]

I've been playing for four months and I'm just as bad. I just have access to better teams now.

[turbid birch]

[bold geode]

@chrome knot bnuuy alert

[stone trellis]

Specs then.

[bold geode]

You'll get better trust
For some progress is slower than others
Also might be something you don't fully understand

As someone who has been thru that
It eventually clicks

[stone trellis]

Look, man.

It takes up a lot of my time every day.

It's the summer and instead of going out with my friends or watching movies with my family, I'm sitting here debating whether or not Choice Band is better on Urshifu than Choice Scarf.

[solid frigate]

can confirm monke’s Statement

He has been thru shit

[bold geode]

That's a problem too
Need to have a healthy split between the two

Don't prioritize Pokemon so much that it takes over your whole life

Honestly it just makes ya worse

Hell I wouldn't even put time in everyday

[turbid birch]

js lost to a team with ribombee maybe it’s time to retire

[stone trellis]

I lost to a fucking Perish Trap team.

[solid frigate]

It is a Hobby that you can go through whenever you have time for and does not ignore anything more important than that

[bold geode]

I lost to one of those cuz they got a quad protect once

[stone trellis]

There's always a lower low.

[turbid birch]

wait choice specs doesn’t help with speed…right?

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[bold geode]

Look all I'm saying is
Take breaks
Pace yourself
And enjoy life
If you can only give Pokemon like an hour every 2-3 days, so be it
Obsessing too much over things will make you worse

[stone trellis]

Specs sets always tend to be faster because they need to blow shit up.

[solid frigate]

Special Attack

[foggy lodge]

No but allows to use less investment in sp atk and put it on other stats

Some people use 252 modest specs tho

[solid frigate]

me right here

[foggy lodge]

But I think it allows for more room of where to put the evs without losing too much

[bold geode]

Figure out a way to pace yourself and don't give it too much
Do what you can too
Hell rn it's not like there's too much incentive to even spend 24/7 on mons especially if you're not competing at Worlds

[stone trellis]

Alright.

[solid frigate]

Yeah there are no tournaments so unless you are playing in worlds,then just take a break and watch people shape the meta

[turbid birch]

damn i js looked at my miriadons ev and theyre lwk cooked…idk what i was doing

[solid frigate]

if you are playing specs just run Max max min

unless you want to live something

[turbid birch]

i lwk like running AV miriadon…would maybe having a some1 with tailwind help

[stone trellis]

Iron Jugulis could work.

It's really fast, immune to Prankster Taunt and it hits decently hard.

Plus, the Electric Terrain gives it a Speed boost, so you can forgo the Booster Energy item and give it something else.

Or you can keep BE if you're adamant about keeping that Speed boost.

[turbid birch]

idk this is what im running https://pokepast.es/460c4d979386303b

the evs arent exact to what i have in game but i tried to get as close as i could

[stone trellis]

42 and 150 aren't optimal.

44 and 148 is normal.

And also, Grimmsnarl likes to have some investment in its Defense.

[turbid birch]

i wish there was a way that i could see the exact ev of my pokemon cuz im like 99.9% what i have on their is like no where near that

[stone trellis]

Listen, what I like to do is set the level of the Pokemon to 100 and see what their stats are like in the teambuilder.

That way, you can match the EV spreads in the game.

[turbid birch]

omg ur so right

how did i not think of that

ok lemme fix it

https://pokepast.es/c42575970765cf88

ok chat we fixed it

i feel like ursaluna feels out of place on my team but idkk i could be wrong

[foggy lodge]

ursaluna goes 0 speed

Brave nature with speed investment doesn't make sense

[chilly anvil]

Is there a way to abuse Dragon Energy Regidrago in VGC?

If it hits both opponents, has a power of 150 when full HP, has the extra 1.5 multiplier from the Regidrago ability and also the STAB + maybe Tera dragon

[lean ridge]

Fairy kinda shuts that down I feel

There are other good spread move attackers that don’t have to worry abt an immunity as often

[turbid birch]

ur right idk how i ended up giving it evs in speed

[foggy lodge]

just clicking tailwind dragon energy xd

Regidrago was good in Zacian and CSR teams in reg G

But I don't know about it rn too much wide guard and tera fairies and the damage output just isn't as big like something as Kyogre

[misty helm]

Can double shock be used if the electric type is gone from pawmot

[real prairie]

Making a new YT video, Looking for peoples Competitive Pokemon Hot takes (Strange or unique opinions around competitive pokemon).

If you want to feature in the video, either anonymously or with a shout out, pop a response in here:

https://forms.gle/hDLdr5LuiTCjVRvE6

[misty helm]

Can double shock and burn up be used more than once without Tera electric or Tera fire respectively

[real prairie]

only with switching i think

also think "charge" resets double shock, but could be wrong

[tiny karma]

Move: Double Shock

Fails unless the user is an Electric type. If this move is successful and the user is not Terastallized, the user's Electric type becomes typeless as long as it remains active.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[misty helm]

So for an alternative without drawbacks basis it would be better to run iron fist thunder punch

[real prairie]

252+ Atk Pawmot Double Shock vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow in Snow: 30-36 (15.3 - 18.3%) -- possible 6HKO

252+ Atk Iron Fist Pawmot Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow in Snow: 22-27 (11.2 - 13.7%) -- possible 8HKO

Yes, Granted you can hit more than once, you will do more damage with 2 or more Thunder Punch than Double Shock

[misty helm]

Yeah it looks to be a roughly 33 percent difference in power

[bold geode]

You do YT mfer?

[real prairie]

I do! Inconsistently because im a parent with a full time job, but i make content when i have any free time

my favourite response so far isnt even to do with the hot takes, its the optional social shoutout Q:

[dense latch]

what's your yt?

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/@AverageJack_YT

[dense latch]

nice

i miss quarantine FIFA

[real prairie]

I miss good fifa

Games been ass for nearly a decade now

[dense latch]

yeah

[real prairie]

Ultimate team killed any real progression for Fifa as a game tbh, but thats not a conversation for here lol

[craggy dagger]

oh dear….
looks like i’m about to have fun

[solid frigate]

i already talked hot takes about the Horses lmao

[real prairie]

and was brave enough to put his name to it haha

[craggy dagger]

my good friend
you forget who i am

can i just put a calc in the answer sheet lol

[real prairie]

as long as you think ill understand it haha

[solid frigate]

I genuinely think they are fine lmao

[craggy dagger]

[252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 164 HP / 68 SpD Cinderace: 102-121 (57.9 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]
[252+ SpA Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 164 HP / 68 SpD Cinderace: 136-162 (77.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]

i think i might have calc’d something wrong but it looks something like this

[real prairie]

Cinderace is underrated? lol

[craggy dagger]

yeahhhhh

this was reg F though so

i’ll say something about the current rule set

ah…
hisuian qwilfish…

[solid frigate]

it is and Nova is adamant on it lmao

[craggy dagger]

that’s where those calcs were from

[craggy dagger]

hey
it did pretty good okay

[real prairie]

I am really not someone that needs convincing niche mons can work lol

but throw it in there, ill use it 😄

[solid frigate]

sure

Lies to the ground with my Greninja Team

[craggy dagger]

cindy
suicune
waterpon
qwilfish hisui
iron hands/rillaboom
fari

[solid frigate]

wut the heck

[craggy dagger]

why

[solid frigate]

Niche alarm

[craggy dagger]

i’m sorry that we ended on a negative win loss streak on rivals last night

[bold geode]

Cuz I can

[bold geode]

You think I care lol

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

https://x.com/RivalsAssembled/status/1944130371022729388?t=_iNx9uOg6ZL5jEaZNq3Pyw&s=19
Reeks of unemployment

Marvel Rivals Intel (@RivalsAssembled)

People are already getting Lord on Phoenix

Via/foognificent

X · Jul 12, 2025, 8:22 PM

[real prairie]

Also, if there are any videos you would want to see me make, let me know.

Im going to try bring my editor/videographer to B'ham + EUIC next season too, so if i see you you may end up in a video IRL 😄

[solid frigate]

EUIC here

[real prairie]

Not gonna do B'ham?

[next stump]

hopefully going to EUIC

[solid frigate]

Probably not cuz

Money problem and i rather go to a bigger place

[dense latch]

i think i might finally have time to compete this season

[foggy lodge]

Pog

[next stump]

[foggy lodge]

Erik come to Santiago

[dense latch]

flight is probably pretty cheap lowkey might

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[real prairie]

Side note, anyone know any Rom-hack makers / Pokemon modders (not for creating fake mons before anyone complains)

[foggy lodge]

And we have our group

[dense latch]

option b

[foggy lodge]

Walk!

[dense latch]

when is santiago again

[foggy lodge]

February

[bold geode]

That is not something we can speak on in this server

[dense latch]

should probably get started soon

[real prairie]

Bummer, Looking to make the ultimate pokemon game(s).

from Kanto to Paldea, scaled from start to finish, each new region you bring 1 mon with you, the rest stay behind.

ill do some googling 🤓

[bold geode]

I was wanting a game based off of Pokemon Journeys

Or around those vibes where you do travel across regions

[solid frigate]

8 regions with Natdex?

[foggy lodge]

That sounds cool but how do you implement it honestly

[bold geode]

Also @craggy dagger help I got fuckin

[pallid hare]

9 regions, actually

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-me-meme-gif-16483648902605703401

[foggy lodge]

Like after 1 region you are lowkey invincible no?

Unless is a full online game

[bold geode]

I got this shit stuck in my head @craggy dagger

[real prairie]

thats the idea, but doing the Ash and leaving everyone but your partner behind. and each region scales. So if your partner is level 30 by the time you finish Kanto, Johto will start around level 30 etc.

[real prairie]

9 romhacks, all scaled to each other basically.

would be impossible to stich together into 1 game i think

[bold geode]

Idk you can start out at the lower levels
Just fix Johto

[craggy dagger]

-# kiss me kiss me kiss me again

[real prairie]

at which point youd just be playing all 9 games haha

[bold geode]

DAMN IT DON'T MAKE IT WORSE

[craggy dagger]

sounds like a skill issue lmao

[bold geode]

Grown ass men really be listening to that shit during Helldivers or whatever the fuck

[dense latch]

so kinda like pokemmo but with the scaling and leaving partners behind

[craggy dagger]

cuz why not

[real prairie]

cant lie, haven't played, but pokemon MMOs have come a long way since Pokemon Crater days

Real OGs rememeber

[dense latch]

had a good pokemmo phase with my friends back in the day, really fun honestly

[real prairie]

i remember playing Pokemon Crater in primary school (age 10) and going into secondary school (age 11) and the only way i could contact my best friend from primary school was on the game chat.

one day, game gets shutdown by Nintendo, lost my friend.

decade later, i start working for a delivery company, his dad is one of the delivery drivers. 😆

[molten oasis]

Don’t bring that back

[bold geode]

Bro doesn't like anime bitches

Y'know what I have to say about that

[bold geode]

Wtf LMAO

[molten oasis]

Accurate

[solid frigate]

BRO LMAO

[dense latch]

i wonder if 80% gxe is still possible

maybe if i win like 5 sets in a row

[molten oasis]

Good luck

[dense latch]

turn 1 in my first game

had the displeasure of playing a three game set with sub poison stall dozo giri

not sure if i have the strength to keep playing bo3 after that

[foggy lodge]

I wouldn't

[dense latch]

i shouldn't have

thought it couldnt get worse than that

it did

[shadow wind]

Bo3 goated though

[shadow wind]

My goat would hit it

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401729482-3m1r0rooaxubjc768wx3ltt2ru4nvckpw

Right back at ya

Caly swept

[shadow wind]

When I see a game with 2 horses I can’t feel anything but the urge to assume both sides will somehow win

Those mons just have that factor

[jade dust]

The opposite side of the horses as well

Caly ice and caly shadow are a volatile MU

[shadow wind]

I’d imagine it’s not that volatile

TR up CIR has a blast, TR down CSR has a blast

It’s a pretty black and white MU as far as what happens in it and who wins

[real prairie]

@shadow wind thanks for putting in a "Competitive pokemon hot take" for my youtube video

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[real prairie]

i mean this has to be you right?

[shadow wind]

😭😭

I wish to had the brain to do that

[solid frigate]

its not me as well cuz i play kyogre

[shadow wind]

I actually think the opposite

Kyogre is super good and underused

That’s my take

[real prairie]

Guess that's why it's this person's hottake

[jade dust]

The volatile part is getting the trick room going is the part

[real prairie]

You signed yours haha surprisingly quite a few people agree with you

[jade dust]

In that replay I had to sacrifice my Miraidon to an astral barrage to prevent Fari from getting spored

I had to lose half of my team to set my caly ice

[solid frigate]

the CSR CIR?

[real prairie]

Yeah

At least 5 out of 25 other people said similar

[shadow wind]

If you just lead Miraidon Farig you pretty much guarantee get it up

[solid frigate]

yeah CSR and CIR are Fair restricteds imo

[real prairie]

Not according to my GF.

Right that awful joke out the way, time for bed

Night peeps

[jade dust]

I didn’t do that cuz they had Rilla

If they lead Rilla then I can be spored

[real prairie]

Volt switch TR, what's the issue?

[solid frigate]

im suprised you did not sleep-

I did not sleep cuz i just come back from the hospital

[real prairie]

Hope all okay mate

[solid frigate]

Its not me its my dad

he's fine dw

[real prairie]

Well same to him

[real prairie]

Good good

[solid frigate]

anyways

i might continue Pagos Blog cuz i delayed it so much

[jade dust]

Smeargle can sleep my Fari

If a Rilla smeargle lead

Or target Miraidon and sleep whatever switches in

[real prairie]

Such a rare instance, but you could either run tera grass or goggles fari if you are that worried about it

[jade dust]

Unless I bring Ogerpon

Actually I bring Ogerpon anyway

Into Zama caly s

90% of the time

[shadow wind]

Lead Ogerpon Farig and now you get it up guaranteed

[jade dust]

Tru

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1e9292e396e3edba my current progress is now looking for a 6th, I actually think incin felt pretty eh on this team

[jade dust]

Follow me trick room

[molten oasis]

Thoughts on a 6th?

[jade dust]

Any specific reason to use wellspring?

[molten oasis]

Water coverage

Doesn’t overlap with pao and mirai

[shadow wind]

AV Incineroar

[molten oasis]

Gets boosted by pao

[molten oasis]

I was literally running that

[foggy lodge]

Wellspring good af in this meta

[molten oasis]

It was mid asf

[shadow wind]

Great minds think alike

[molten oasis]

I also am finding having an actual ground resist is very nice

Hearth doesn’t give me that

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah it’s awesome

That team looks quite bad into Groudon of all things

[molten oasis]

Go go gadget Draco meteor

[jade dust]

Well good reason