#competitive_discussion | Pokemon Winds and Waves | Page 632

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 1:36 AM

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What are the iron hands evs again pls?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 1:36 AM

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For what?

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 1:36 AM

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For this regulation

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Paired with Miraidon and caly ice

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Well I assume there isn't 1 ev spread that every single person uses

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Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
Brave Nature

Fake Out
Wild Charge
Low Kick
Drain Punch

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This is the most common set on Munchstats

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Yes I believe that one

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And for Ogerpon fire?

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Just max atk and speed?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 1:50 AM

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You need bulk

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Could just borrow Ceribelli's spread and use it until you find something you need

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Arubega is good if it’s tailroom

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:00 AM

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I'm watching a tier list about the best legendaries historically in competitive and wdym Heatran used to have toxic

solid frigate Jul 11, 2025, 2:02 AM

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shadow wind This is the most common set on Munchstats

on what glicko

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:06 AM

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Hard tr and sub CSR has been rough

solid frigate Jul 11, 2025, 2:07 AM

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foggy lodge I'm watching a tier list about the best legendaries historically in competitive ...

i mentioned that before lmao

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:08 AM

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But like

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The teams fine I’m just not feeling it. The drive isn’t there

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:09 AM

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What do you think of roar farigiraf drago

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:10 AM

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foggy lodge What do you think of roar farigiraf drago

Haven’t tried it

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But uh, man lemme just, 1 sec

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I don’t have great defensive options, and I think I want a more balance approach

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I have to go go go, it’s hard to play defensively

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:12 AM

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foggy lodge Could just borrow Ceribelli's spread and use it until you find something you nee...

Well I need to OHKO Rilla

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And outspeee caly ice after an icy wind

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:13 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2334f7a2caf7171a so like

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:14 AM

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jade dust And outspeee caly ice after an icy wind

Caly Ice?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:14 AM

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I wanna play this, I think shifu covers the struggles of pao Zac pretty well

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And taunt shifu’s an option for tr

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Caly Ice reaches like 80 speed at max unless you are fighting a weird ass max speed CIR

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156+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Rillaboom: 206-246 (99.5 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

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This is like decent

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:15 AM

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foggy lodge Caly Ice?

Caly shadow

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:15 AM

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But Rilla is running 252 HP 76 def

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:15 AM

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I mean

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Go 150 speed Ogerpon

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Outspeed adamant urshifu and outspeeds -1 CSR

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:17 AM

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solid frigate on what glicko

Bo3 1760

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:17 AM

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foggy lodge Outspeed adamant urshifu and outspeeds -1 CSR

Does it outspeed zama?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:18 AM

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At -1?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:19 AM

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-1 CSR is that slow?

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Result: 107.000000

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Wait no

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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foggy lodge At -1?

Nah at base

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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No

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Result: 225.000000

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Zama base is 148

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Huh

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:20 AM

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And no one is running no speed Zama in a Zama mirrors format

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:21 AM

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molten oasis Hard tr and sub CSR has been rough

Sub CSR isn't extremely common so I wouldn't worry too much about that MU

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And snarl goes through anyway

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Wait I lied

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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No snarl is sound

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Not sound based

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Wait is it?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Snarl is sound based

tiny karmaBOT Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Move: Snarl

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Dark

Category

Special

Power

55

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Its a loud ass scream

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Huh, so I could have done that

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Man I just faked myself out

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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foggy lodge Its a loud ass scream

That is not what a snarl is but go off

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Parting shot is a loud ass scream

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Hard TR sucks a lot for a lot of teams

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:23 AM

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shadow wind That is not what a snarl is but go off

From a 33% boosted mon it should be like that

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Do you think you could go sub Zacian over sacred sword?

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Or would that screw too much up

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Zama.

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Is easier with it but zama

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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foggy lodge And no one is running no speed Zama in a Zama mirrors format

Well my jolly max speed Ogerpon does

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Don't you have Lando?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Also let’s just say tr.

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Not hard tr just tr

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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jade dust Well my jolly max speed Ogerpon does

Max speed jolly that no longer kills rilla xd

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Basically you can't have both at the same time

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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shadow wind Don't you have Lando?

Usually paired with pao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Just TR

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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You have to choose one or another

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:24 AM

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molten oasis Usually paired with pao

Very true

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Hmm

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What if

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Volcarona over Firepon

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:26 AM

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foggy lodge Max speed jolly that no longer kills rilla xd

Well max atk max spd jolly does

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What is the other ev spread

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The whole spread

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Maybe but

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:27 AM

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molten oasis https://pokepast.es/2334f7a2caf7171a so like

I wanna play with this

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And I’m unsure if Mirai is the way 2 go here

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:28 AM

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If you ditch Miraidon you open up Ice spinner

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:28 AM

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And fuck kyogre

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Just a little more consistent

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:28 AM

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jade dust Well max atk max spd jolly does

Then why did you even ask for a spread if you already found that out 😭

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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the other option is the horse

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Was about to suggest it

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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shadow wind If you ditch Miraidon you open up Ice spinner

Idk 85% accuracy move vs 80% accuracy mon

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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What?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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95*

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Icicle crash vs Kyogre

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Or it’s 90

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It’s not 85

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Just because you don't use Miraidon doesn't mean you need Kyogre

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Idk about CIR with Zac tbh I think double fire weakness is rough in this meta

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Zacian CIR with Pelipper

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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95% of teams have a fire type

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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There we go, I cooked

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:30 AM

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The other option is a Mon that I hate playing, those speed ties suck. No I ain’t doing that

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Peli feels kinda shit to play

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I have tried peli, it’s just not it

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Ig we doing Mirai, which isn’t a bad thing

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:31 AM

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foggy lodge Then why did you even ask for a spread if you already found that out 😭

I mean what’s ceribelli used

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:32 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b309a255bb898b02 ok, we got PLENTY of offense

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:32 AM

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Farigiraf? Volcarona?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:32 AM

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I’m leaving items open

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Although the item I pick on Mirai affects the team’s choices

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hm

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Could go whims

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And then Chi yu !!!

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Scarf Chi yu and Specs Miraidon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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2 ruins?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Yessir

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Idk about 2 ruins

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I also stated I wanted some defensive options

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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i like incin here instead

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Chi yu whimsi is actually just

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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😔

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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fire dark type but defensive version

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Ultra HO

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ig incin, helps with tr

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:38 AM

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how do you feel about amoong in mirai teams

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i've loved incin amoong as a defensive backbone in my team

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:38 AM

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Isn’t incin pao weird

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:38 AM

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dense latch how do you feel about amoong in mirai teams

No lol

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:39 AM

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molten oasis Isn’t incin pao weird

I feel like when I look at teams with pao or incin is always either or

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:39 AM

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there's three fairy weaks on the team you could look for a resistance there

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:40 AM

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Does anyone have Ceribelli’,s Ogerpon evs?

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:40 AM

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Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 188 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature

Ivy Cudgel
Wood Hammer
Follow Me
Spiky Shield

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:40 AM

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Is that not just Arubega?

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Are they the same set?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:41 AM

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dense latch there's three fairy weaks on the team you could look for a resistance there

So maybe volc or hearth

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I also have the ultimate fairy annihilator

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:42 AM

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yea that's true
and scarf mirai just drifts tera fairy mirai

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:43 AM

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molten oasis So maybe volc or hearth

wouldn't mind firepon

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it's another tool into rilla

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 2:44 AM

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dense latch Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask Ability: Mold Breaker Level: 50 ...

Thanks

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 2:44 AM

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jade dust Thanks

shrekers has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:44 AM

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https://pokepast.es/22e5ecccb9020779

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Core ig

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I know fs scarf Mirai Zac and pao is strong

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:48 AM

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no switch ins into body press from zama is a bit scary

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:49 AM

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uh, that’s what lando was for, but idt I want lando here

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Cuz I want shifu, so maybe volc then

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https://pokepast.es/3b0d4048fa72c3b0

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lacking speed control, maybe tw on volc

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As an option

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 2:52 AM

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sounds decent

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 2:53 AM

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But it depends on the 6th

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:20 AM

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molten oasis Peli feels kinda shit to play

it had a good run

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but yea now its just not the move

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:20 AM

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Oh hey Tree

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 3:20 AM

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Theotime used ability shield Pelipper to have a MU against Koraidon Weezing lol

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:21 AM

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theotime is like jamie boyt tho, only they can run that weird shit and make it work

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:21 AM

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I have an account that has potential to hit 80 GXE right now but I'm too scared to play it 😔

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 3:21 AM

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Really?

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I mostly remember him from the balance CSR team tbh

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:21 AM

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hes run some weird teams

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unless im misremembering i think he had some off beat leki team that almost won a eu tour

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shrug

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:23 AM

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shadow wind I have an account that has potential to hit 80 GXE right now but I'm too scared ...

just do it man, worst case u elude the 80 which ur already doing by avoiding playing that account, best case u get it

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:23 AM

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This is very true

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I think I'm still like 3 games off though

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:23 AM

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i had so many times of almost getting it and then not

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and then finally got it

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i was 1 game off, lost and had to win like 4-5 straight to pull it off, and i did

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:24 AM

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Goat

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:24 AM

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I’m gonna do a grind to 1700 but uh, the team I HAD planed to it just doesn’t feel right

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And I kinda wanna do it with Zac pao shifu, that’s where I’m at lol

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:24 AM

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shadow wind Goat

hahah prolly just mixture of luck + early format + me playing a strong combo

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:24 AM

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Hey

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:24 AM

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but still was nice to finally get, so all that to say i think u should go for it

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:25 AM

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No one asks you how you won

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:25 AM

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tru

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:25 AM

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molten oasis And I kinda wanna do it with Zac pao shifu, that’s where I’m at lol

best of luck to u 🫡

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:26 AM

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Ty

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:26 AM

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ill prolly try nd get a team or 2 built like lunala/mirai and something else so i can play something else other then csr/zama this format but ive had like no urge to play lmao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:27 AM

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I'm so happy this MU feels 90-10 for me

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:27 AM

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pog

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dont get overconfident

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:27 AM

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I won't

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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hmm_thumbs_up

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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But they are blaze Incin

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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bruh

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KEKWcry

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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Yeah...

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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lol

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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really wants those full power blitzs in the sun ig

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:28 AM

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Biggest down pair of the century

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So they knocked off my scarf

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Then I undersped their Koraidon in TR 😭

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:29 AM

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peepoglad

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Tree you cursed me

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:30 AM

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u picking groudon cursed u

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:30 AM

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True

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:30 AM

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hopefully u can still get the w

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thats brutal tho

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:31 AM

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That was game 2

rustic mountain Jul 11, 2025, 3:31 AM

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ahh ok

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:34 AM

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Yippee !

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Apparently there is no one on ladder right now

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It legit took me like 3 minutes to find a match

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foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 3:35 AM

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Everyone is getting out of the ladder to not play against the stinky Groudon player

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:35 AM

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Game couldn't have even been nice and given me .5 GXE

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 3:35 AM

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/jk

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:36 AM

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Man I like don't wanna play more

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But what's the point of putting this off

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Jesus christ

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What was that set

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:47 AM

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I’m so stuck god dammit

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:47 AM

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80!!!!!!

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And it was a Groudon ditto 😭

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That team was tough as frick

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 3:48 AM

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Incin grimm clef is crazy lmao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:49 AM

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I thought it was over when this happened

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Game 3 CSR living 2 massive hits

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Thank god pblades is a spread move

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Tree

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Thank you for pushing me to just not really care about it

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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-8ball I need your wisdom, do I focus Zac pao shifu

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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I need your wisdom, do I focus Zac pao shifu
:8ball: Don't count on it

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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Rough

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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-8ball is Zac and pao still good

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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is Zac and pao still good
:8ball: It is decidedly so

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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There we go

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:56 AM

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Well I get to keep that

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:57 AM

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Is Zacian Koraidon bad?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:57 AM

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Uhhh, I mean yes and no but

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Boosting zacian’s fire weakness from the sun sucks

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And you really wanna run wake to handle incin

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It’s very linear building

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:58 AM

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Koraidon deals with Incin?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:58 AM

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shadow wind Koraidon deals with Incin?

You usually want more than one

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Yk what, let’s see what 8ball has to say

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-8ball should I do Zac korai pao?

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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should I do Zac korai pao?
:8ball: Without a doubt

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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scaredtyphlo

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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Magic 8 ball loves me

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Dude I play Groudon you should've known

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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-8ball do i need wake

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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do i need wake
:8ball: You may rely on it

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 3:59 AM

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minus_one

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:00 AM

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Although I guess on paper Groudon Zacian is better than Koraidon Zacian

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:00 AM

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Fairy/ground is typically better than fairy/fighting

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:00 AM

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Fairy fighting is pretty good though all things considered

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:01 AM

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True

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It’s just very very offensive

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:01 AM

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It is

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Groudon Zacian at least has the back bone of Groudon being fat

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100/115/115 and 100/115/100 does not scream "Defensive legends"

tiny karmaBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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92 😔

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Zac is lowkey OVERALL bulkier

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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I know I got Koraidon's right though

tiny karmaBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon

Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Cause I'm just like that

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Do you think they made Zacian have 148 speed so that people would buy CSR?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 AM

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Koraidon also does, love to do damage to itself

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 AM

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shadow wind Do you think they made Zacian have 148 speed so that people would buy CSR?

Bruh lmao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 AM

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It's an honest question

tiny karmaBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 AM

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Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 AM

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I guess they both have weird stat numbers for speed and health

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:04 AM

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148 is still quite good

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:04 AM

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Extremely good

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But not 150

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:04 AM

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Ik

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Uh, I cannot believe 8ball wants me to do Zac korai pao

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Let’s get started I guess

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:05 AM

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And the 8ball always speaks facts

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Koraidon pao seems scary

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:06 AM

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100%

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:06 AM

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Why is pastes down 😔

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:06 AM

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Idk

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Very annoying

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I just want PASRS to work

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Maybe I should face my demons and try Tera ground Zac

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Anything to not use Groudon 😔

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:07 AM

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That’s not why lol

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Tera ground tera blast Koraidon is where I draw the line

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molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:09 AM

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I’m not doing that lol

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Awww but koraidons a fucking Tera hog

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Yes he is

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Oh thank god I've never lost to a Gweezing

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:10 AM

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Hm

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Lemme cook

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:10 AM

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Just remember

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No pastes right now

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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I’ll send screenshots

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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Goat

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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Uhm, clam or LORB

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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Back to the stone age

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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hmm

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:11 AM

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I know I hate clam

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But probably clam here you have a whole Chien pao

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:12 AM

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True

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:12 AM

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SoR Koraidon

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I feel like I just had trauma flashbacks

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:12 AM

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@foggy lodge you have a bulky koraidon right? How is that

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Ah yeah I'm playing max hp koraidon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Jesus

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Is it good?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Are you still using flare blitz?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Just thinking about options

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:14 AM

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shadow wind Are you still using flare blitz?

Nooooo why would I do that???

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Yes I’m running blitz lol

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:14 AM

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Well fat and self damage is weird

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:14 AM

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Nah nah drain punch koraidon

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Wolfe_Hello

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Mostly a joke but I have seen that before

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:14 AM

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Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

Protect
Collision Course
Flare Blitz
Flame Charge

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Drain punch sd Koraidon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Lmao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:15 AM

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With scale shot

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:15 AM

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foggy lodge Koraidon @ Clear Amulet Ability: Orichalcum Pulse Level: 50 Tera Type: Fir...

Does it do anything specifically?

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I noticed it undersped my koraidon today when we bo3’d

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Survives miraidon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Draco?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Nah

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Volt switch

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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You, you ev’d it, for vswitch?

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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dumb question. how r yall getting the other version exclusive legendary (specially koraidon and miriadon) without having the other game poliwhirlkek

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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I have flutter scream tail so they are mostly scared of clicking draco

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Like ig that’s valid

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:16 AM

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molten oasis You, you ev’d it, for vswitch?

W tera fire

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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I figured, oh probably specs

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I’m dumb lol

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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Miraidon draco still oneshots without its ability

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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8ball said to do Zac korai pao so, that’s mostly why I asked

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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Timid Miraidon btw I remember one shotting every Koraidon I fought with Joey's team

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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molten oasis 8ball said to do Zac korai pao so, that’s mostly why I asked

It said “without a doubt” too which is wild

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:17 AM

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And tera fire Koraidon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:18 AM

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I see

glad tulip Jul 11, 2025, 4:19 AM

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Does fluttermane get use in vgc?

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Reg i

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:19 AM

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Yup

glad tulip Jul 11, 2025, 4:19 AM

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I haven't seen any but wouldint he be a good sweeper

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:20 AM

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Very good yeah

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Paired with Koraidon it's quite oppressive

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:20 AM

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252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon: 171-202 (97.1 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

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Just so you see how gross Miraidon is

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Ok tbf

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Timid without terrain against a neutral mon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:21 AM

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That would be anything with 135 spA

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Against a mon with 100/100 bulk

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Yea

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:22 AM

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Anyone here to run a bo3 rn

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:23 AM

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I would, but I havent landed on anything quite yet

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Fair

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Like ig im doing korai i now have to build it

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The team

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hm, flutter is probably a must here

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Overlaps with Zacian and is bad into TR

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Those are the problems with Flutter here

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:26 AM

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shadow wind Overlaps with Zacian and is bad into TR

Not by weaknesses

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:27 AM

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Acting like Flutter mane cares about weaknesses on the physical side

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Thing folds like a lawn chair when faced with an 80 base atk mon

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:27 AM

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I mean fair, OH I CANT GIVE IT SASH

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shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:28 AM

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That too

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Now this is where you add entei

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:28 AM

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…entei?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:28 AM

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You already got Pao

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Acting like that means anything

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:29 AM

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hm

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might have a week of just figuring a team out

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But, sure

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:29 AM

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Very real

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:30 AM

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Hm, ok my question is like

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Why not just do incin

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:30 AM

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Oh yeah nah Entei was like 99% a joke pick

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Don't use Entei

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:31 AM

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Ok

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I do think I need speed control first

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Ok so what you're working with

Zacian
Koraidon
Pao

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Right?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Yes

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Extremely super duper HO

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Bonnet!

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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unfortunately

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Gweezing

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Geezing?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:32 AM

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I think you have like

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0 defensive backbone

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:33 AM

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I think this could be a Gweezing team

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:33 AM

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But it’s a zacian, I’ll hear you out

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:33 AM

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foggy lodge I think you have like

I’m aware that was the issue with Zac shifu pao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:33 AM

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You control when you get Intrepid sword

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No intimidate to worry about

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:33 AM

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Zac Pao is inherently just, very offensive even tho I use Pao as an enabler mostly

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And pao helps with ground mons, anyway

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-8ball are you sure I should do Zac korai

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:34 AM

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are you sure I should do Zac korai
:8ball: You may rely on it

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:34 AM

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The doubt 😭

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:35 AM

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…ok

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:35 AM

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Frankly I'm doubting as well but I couldn't think of another restricted

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:35 AM

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I might just have to forgo pao and do incin, yippee

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:35 AM

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Rest it peace Pao 😔

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May you rest in collision course

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:35 AM

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It’s hard to build defensive backbone with Zac korai anyway like

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There’s no data on this duo either

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:36 AM

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You could be the first !

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I actually think Bonnet is very good here

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:36 AM

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:/

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:36 AM

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Allows you to then run SD Zacian

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:36 AM

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Or sub but, yes

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FAIRIES

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I CANT DO PAO CUZ EVERYTHING MY DUO WANTS IS FAIRY RESISTS

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headwall

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:39 AM

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Am I cooked guys

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:40 AM

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Now that's fire

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Gravity for the play rough !

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:40 AM

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What button should I click guys

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 4:40 AM

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Delete

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:40 AM

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Should I delete it or double it and give it to the next person

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:40 AM

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foggy lodge Am I cooked guys

Get that off

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Leaves is ass

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:41 AM

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It isn't that bad tho

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Its a duo that dies to ground

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:41 AM

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…

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Nvm its ass

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Rilla is better

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Or shifu

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Or ogerpon, lol

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Pao is making this difficult, but then Pao is like, really strong with Zac, tf do I do

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Why can zama teams be balance with pao and then I can’t do that with Zac and Pao

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 4:43 AM

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Because there are no bulky restricteds for Zacian

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Unless like Lunala but idk

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:43 AM

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~~kyogre~~

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You’re right, uh

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Alright 8ball don’t fail me now

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-8ball can I do Zac Lunala instead

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:45 AM

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can I do Zac Lunala instead
:8ball: My sources say no

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:45 AM

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IM IN HELL

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alright let’s think differently

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I have an offensive core, I need a defensive backbone

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That, covers issues the team had

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 4:49 AM

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foggy lodge Fair

I can play

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Let’s do a bo3

tiny karmaBOT Jul 11, 2025, 4:53 AM

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- [Fighting/Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fire, Grass, Rock, Water

Neutral damage

Fighting, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Flying, Ice, Psychic

Weak (4x)

Fairy

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- [Fairy/Steel]

Immune

Dragon, Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock

Neutral damage

Electric, Fighting, Ghost, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:54 AM

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I need something to hit fire types

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 4:55 AM

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molten oasis I need something to hit fire types

Water, ground and rock

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 4:58 AM

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Tera fire CIR actually seems horrible to fight

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So how tf do I fix that

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water would also be bad, I’m curious

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+1 172 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Tera-Fire Calyrex-Ice Rider: 204-242 (99 - 117.4%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:02 AM

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molten oasis Tera fire CIR actually seems horrible to fight

If you have a sun team then walking wake

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:02 AM

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Wow that sucks

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:02 AM

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The best water for sun

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:03 AM

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molten oasis +1 172 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast vs. 244 HP / 0 De...

Maybe this isn’t that bad

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But I have to keep the +1

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-8ball can I use a different secondary restricted

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 AM

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can I use a different secondary restricted
:8ball: Yes

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 AM

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-8ball do I try groudon

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 AM

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do I try groudon
:8ball: As I see it, yes

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:06 AM

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Alright @shadow wind, gimme a groudon spread

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:06 AM

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What do you want it to do?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:06 AM

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Good question. How’s av?

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Groudon feels better to put wake on imo

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 AM

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I liked AV but I guess it depends on the team

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 AM

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I’m sticking with pao

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 AM

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Then probably clam

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Cause I have Miraidon to explode Incin

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But Zacian doesn't do that

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 AM

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Fair

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Can I have a bulkier clam spread then?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:10 AM

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What's the speed control like?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:10 AM

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None, currently

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I have wake ig

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:11 AM

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Hmm

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Groudon @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 132 HP / 76 Atk / 28 Def / 252 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

Precipice Blades
Heat Crash
Bulk Up
Protect

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You might be able to replace lefties for clam here and be fine

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Maybe Grimmsnarl could actually work here

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:13 AM

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shadow wind Groudon @ Leftovers Ability: Drought Level: 50 Tera Type: Fire EVs: 132 ...

Ty

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 5:13 AM

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molten oasis Ty

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:13 AM

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That's with bulk up

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Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 84 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

Precipice Blades
High Horsepower
Heat Crash
Protect

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There's also this one

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:13 AM

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I think imma do that one

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Idk if I wanna do bulk up

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:15 AM

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Yeah

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:15 AM

#

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hm

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Doesn't look terrible

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Just need some speed control

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Whimsicott or Tornadus

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:22 AM

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I'd say Volc

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:22 AM

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With tailwind and sunny day

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Nah sunny day is bad

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It doesn't help anything

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:23 AM

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Helps against rain

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:23 AM

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You have a whole Walking wake and Zacian

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:24 AM

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Play rough hurts

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Uh, anyway

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Volc, ig

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:25 AM

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The grass ape too

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:25 AM

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Then you have 3 fire weaknesses on a sun team

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:25 AM

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That makes your water grass fire core

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:26 AM

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shadow wind Then you have 3 fire weaknesses on a sun team

Alright let electric terrain and psyspam for free

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:27 AM

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I'd rather that

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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Draco meteor OHKO Groudon

hazy zealot Jul 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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I need help with ogre ousting on hard for shiny munchlax, anyone available??

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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With terrain up

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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Only if they're specs

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Wait and then what

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Locked into draco

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Zacian angle

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:29 AM

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Switch out

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And switch in Incineroar

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Without groudon it’s free to come in

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:30 AM

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👍

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Sounds good man

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:30 AM

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Cuz it got 1 shot by terrain busted draco meteor

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:31 AM

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Whatever you're saying sure

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:32 AM

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…like, I get the process

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This is not worth it lol

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Definitely not

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molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Me thinks hearth

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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I got both of these if you want the pastes to them

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Or volc, forgot about volc

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Sure, the bolt one

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Also walking wake alleviates your weakness to fire types

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Kinda

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Hydro steam OHKO Amy fire types

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Resists it by 4

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Paste is still down 😔

jade dust Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Speed boost in sun

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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shadow wind Paste is still down 😔

Screenshots lol

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Let me just dm you the string

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Ok

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 5:37 AM

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my bo1 ladder is 1666

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 5:38 AM

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Goat

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 AM

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I keep running into dragon claw koraidon

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Like cool dude, why

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:28 AM

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Idk why this is working but it is

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 8:24 AM

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I keep seeing Breaking Swipe.

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 8:46 AM

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Alright, I have Ho-oh, Miraidon and Cresselia on this team.

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Who should I add?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 9:10 AM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2400766747

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https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

Tenor

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 9:56 AM

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What the hell is this?

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The team feels really good to use.

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I think a better player than me could do wonders with it.

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I kind of want to give Kyogre the Assault Vest and have Raichu hold the Sash.

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That way, I have way more flexibility on Kyogre and I can make Raichu fully offensive.

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 11:13 AM

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stone trellis What the hell is this?

low ladder?

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https://pokepast.es/2a97cba19a1110b3 can someobody give me an advice to how to improve this team? there isn't really a specific team that this team sturggles with but i feel like it needs some kind of an improvment

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i got to top 500 with both my alt and my main with this team but i feel i can improve it

ocean pawn Jul 11, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Honestly I play cir with kyogre and it feels really good

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 11:21 AM

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i think the biggest issue is the smeargle teams mu because it can fake out my kyogre freely

ocean pawn Jul 11, 2025, 11:25 AM

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you could replace amoongus with like farigaraf

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 11:27 AM

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i think amonguss is very important

ocean pawn Jul 11, 2025, 11:28 AM

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why no pollen puff on amoongus

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when then you prob replace rilla but then you lose to miraidon more

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 11:29 AM

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ocean pawn why no pollen puff on amoongus

against dozos

ocean pawn Jul 11, 2025, 11:29 AM

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waxen dock against dozos

you have thunder on kyogre

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 11:30 AM

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ocean pawn you have thunder on kyogre

a lot of dozos have tera grass

ocean pawn Jul 11, 2025, 11:30 AM

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you also do know mystic water is better on kyogre

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 12:46 PM

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You know, the thing that bugs me the most about the people who say that restricted formats eliminate all creatvity is the fact that they're just wrong.

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Ho-oh, Zacian, Brute Bonnet, Scarf and AV Miraidon weren't nearly as prevalent in Regulation G and now they all have a solid presence on the meta.

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 1:07 PM

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They never expect the Choice Band.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2400843960

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next stump Jul 11, 2025, 1:09 PM

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stone trellis You know, the thing that bugs me the most about the people who say that restrict...

I agree but I think a lot of people, especially more casual players, equate creativity with weaker pokemon being viable

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Like they don’t care that you can suddenly now play Brute Bonnet, they want to be able to play Pawmot, or Decidueye, or something else of that tier

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 1:11 PM

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Two words: boo and hoo.

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Anyway, I made a Miraidon-Groudon player forfeit before they even died.

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 1:58 PM

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Reg G was one of the most varied formats but because not all the F tier mons were viable people think that it was a closed format

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 1:59 PM

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Same with Reg I.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 2:13 PM

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stone trellis Anyway, I made a Miraidon-Groudon player forfeit before they even died.

They weren’t worthy

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 2:33 PM

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Yeah, they got 3-1'd in four turns.

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And they didn't even miss the one P-Blades they got to rip.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 4:50 PM

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I've learnt about a niche use for Luvdisc

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It's to do with Kyogre

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Here's a bit of context; Luvdisc's ability is Swift Swim, which boosts its speed in the rain. Luvdisc can also learn the move Entrainment, which of course changes another Pokémon's ability to the ability of the user. In other words I use Swift Swim on Kyogre and just turn it into a sweeper

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Luvdisc is already really fast too

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 4:57 PM

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Base 97 Speed gets you to around 163 without the Swift Swim boost, right?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 4:58 PM

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restive quartz Here's a bit of context; Luvdisc's ability is Swift Swim, which boosts its speed...

You can do the same with Hisuian Lilligant and Groudon.

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And Lilligant is even faster.

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You can have Coaching, Entrainment, Solar Blade/Leaf Blade and Protect.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:03 PM

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Oh no way, that's something else I should consider

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Cause I actually own a Hisuian Liligant

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I can have one which is a Sun Team and another which is a rain team

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Sleep powder is a must on Lilligant tho

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Oh shit, it gets that?

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Lemme check actually

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Yeah its like Jumpluff

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Alright, I'm hopping on the teambuilder.

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How fast do we want Groudon to be?

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 PM

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Yeah Hisuian Liligant gets that

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 PM

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stone trellis How fast do we want Groudon to be?

Good question

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:05 PM

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The obvious one is CSR.

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Maybe even Iron Jugulis?

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:06 PM

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I keep seeing IJ being used a lot more often, why is that?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Tailwind dark type with hurricane and snarl for damage control

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Ahhh okay

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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restive quartz I keep seeing IJ being used a lot more often, why is that?

Very fast, takes advantage of Electric Terrain, is naturally immune to Prankster so nothing outside of a direct KO can stop it from setting up Tailwind...

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Is like Roaring Moon but with a better typing

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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stone trellis Very fast, takes advantage of Electric Terrain, is naturally immune to Prankster...

Oh shoot that's huge

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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stone trellis Very fast, takes advantage of Electric Terrain, is naturally immune to Prankster...

And Snarl to control the damage (and chunk CSR).

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:07 PM

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Okay yeah this is something I'm gonna consider

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:08 PM

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It gets Hurricane for rain teams and Air Slash for sun teams.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Here's what my plan for a sun team is gonna be so far: Calyrex Shadow Rider, Groudon, Hisuian Liligant, and Iron Jugulis

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Its better for rain teams because air slash output is way worse

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:08 PM

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restive quartz Here's what my plan for a sun team is gonna be so far: Calyrex Shadow Rider, Gro...

Actually instead of IJ, FM

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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foggy lodge Its better for rain teams because air slash output is way worse

Hurricane nukes so many things.

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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Jugulis is not really necessary if you are going to play Lilligant

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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restive quartz Actually instead of IJ, FM

There's a bit of a conflict though.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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How so?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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Both Flutter Mane and Lilligant want to use the Focus Sash item.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:09 PM

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Ahhh gotcha

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:10 PM

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And why CSR?

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It's best to have a Pokemon which is great at doing single-target damage so you aren't completely helpless against Wide Guard.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:11 PM

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Right yeah

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:11 PM

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Miraidon could work.

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It's effectively the best answer to rain teams.

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 5:11 PM

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If you have Miraidon you lose the sleep powder on Lilligant

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:11 PM

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It's crazy how Lilligant also gets After You.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:12 PM

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stone trellis It's crazy how Lilligant also gets After You.

Damn so Liligant is super useful

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I'm a Liligant truther so this makes me happy

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:12 PM

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After You was used in tandem with Torkoal to turn the turtle into Wally West.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:13 PM

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That's so cool

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:14 PM

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Should Lilligant hold the Focus Sash?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:14 PM

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stone trellis It's best to have a Pokemon which is great at doing single-target damage so you ...

If not Miraidon, then Raging Bolt could also work.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:14 PM

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stone trellis Should Lilligant hold the Focus Sash?

I think so

solid frigate Jul 11, 2025, 5:15 PM

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its a must

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:18 PM

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The main playmakers are Groudon and Hisuian Liligant, who else should be there

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What about Walking Wake as a special attacker?

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I'm just trying to consider what it can be useful against, I know it can take out Pokémon like Incineroar but Groudon can already do that with Precipice Blades

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Should Miraidon be included because of how unbelievably strong it is? I think so

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I think Grimmsnarl or Smeargle could be another good addition since it can get Fake Out. Grimmsnarl is immune to Whimsicott and Tornadus Pranksters and can set up screens whereas Smeargle is able to use great support moves like Follow Me and Decorate, although Smeargle also introduces the issue with Liligant; The Focus Sash

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And for the final one, Iron Treads could be a good addition since you can use it with Miraidon and act as a disruptor to certain enemies by slowing them down with Rock Slide, able to remove items with Knock Off, and just generally be useful

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Though Whimsicott could be really good since it has Tailwind and can be a great disruptor

minor current Jul 11, 2025, 5:32 PM

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I have a team idea built on smogon for a singles match against a friend, but im not sure what moves EVs or abilities would be best for them. The core centers around goodra. Could someone help me flesh it out a bit more?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 5:40 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3a3af64b67a3c121 would Mirai CSR or Koraidon work best here?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:50 PM

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@restive quartz Do you use the Teambuilder on Pokemon Showdown?

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:50 PM

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I do not, I use ScarVi itself

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:51 PM

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If not, send me a list of the Pokemon and moves you want to have on your team and I'll do it.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Oh really? Thank you that's very kind of you to do

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Let me just sort it out

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 5:52 PM

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It's best if you are able to visualise the team first.

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All I'll need is a Hisuian Lilligant.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 5:52 PM

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Sure

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Here's the Pokémon Im gonna use:
Hisuian Liligant
Groudon
Flutter Mane
Grimmsnarl
Incineroar
Walking Wake

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Hisuian Liligant:
Coaching
Entrainment
Solar Blade
Sleep Powder

Groudon:
Precipice Blades
Heat Crash
High Horsepower
Rock Slide

Flutter Mane:
Moonblast
Shadow Ball
Taunt
Dazzling Gleam

Grimmsnarl:
Spirit Break
Reflect
Light Screen
Thunder Wave

Incineroar:
Fake Out
Parting Shot
Flare Blitz
Knock Off

Walking Wake:
Hydro Steam
Draco Meteor
Snarl
Protect

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 6:11 PM

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you’re missing a second restricted

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with only one protect you’re gonna get blown out by anything honestly

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Oh you're right

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 6:12 PM

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a calyrex ice under trick room might just run away with the game on the spot

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:13 PM

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So what do I do?

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 6:13 PM

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i don’t see much synergy with any other restricted, probably partly bc im not familiar with groudon

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since it’s pretty mid this format

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:14 PM

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I see

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My idea is essentially using Liligant with Chlorophyll and Entrainment to give Chlorophyll to Groudon

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I have a similar set but with Luvdisc and Kyogre

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Groudon doesn't have the damage output that Kyogre has to do the same

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And even then entrainment is just gimicky

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Right, yeah that makes sense

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But I have such a soft spot for Gimmick Builds that I can't not do them

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I do have a main team I use however: CSR, Whimsicott, Miraidon, Smeargle, Urshifu, and Volcarona

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I specifically made Smeargle to compliment CSR

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CSR:
Psychic
Protect
Pollen Puff
Astral Barrage

Whimsicott:
Encore
Moonblast
Taunt
Tailwind

Miraidon:
Electro Drift
Draco Meteor
Dazzling Gleam
Volt Switch

Smeargle:
Fake Out
Spore
Follow Me
Decorate

Urshifu:
Surging Strikes
Aqua Jet
Close Combat
U-Turn

Volcarona:
Rage Powder
Fiery Dance
Bug Buzz
Protect

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:23 PM

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A pokepaste would have been better xd

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:23 PM

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restive quartz CSR: Psychic Protect Pollen Puff Astral Barrage Whimsicott: Encore Moonblast ...

Can't you just send the paste?

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:23 PM

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foggy lodge A pokepaste would have been better xd

Yes

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Thata what i meant

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Unfortunately it's on my Scarlet and Violet game and I have no idea how to transfer the information from ScarVi onto Showdown

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:24 PM

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By just recreating it on the teambuilder

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Yes

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:24 PM

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I hope I get the EVs right

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:24 PM

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restive quartz Unfortunately it's on my Scarlet and Violet game and I have no idea how to trans...

From now on, i think you should use the team on showdown before ig

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:26 PM

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I will

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:26 PM

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restive quartz I hope I get the EVs right

In my draft i had to do it but instead of 6 mons for 12 mons

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Oh I see

waxen dock Jul 11, 2025, 6:27 PM

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And i can say the best way is to try to guess the evs and see if they are lower or higher and adjust the evs like this until you get the correct 1

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:27 PM

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Sure

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Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Astral Barrage
Psychic
Protect
Pollen Puff

Whimsicott (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Encore
Moonblast
Taunt
Tailwind

Miraidon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

Electro Drift
Draco Meteor
Dazzling Gleam
Volt Switch

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Moody
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Fake Out
Spore
Follow Me
Decorate

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

Surging Strikes
Aqua Jet
Close Combat
U-turn

Volcarona (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 248 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Rage Powder
Fiery Dance
Bug Buzz
Protect

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:40 PM

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Are pastes still down?

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:41 PM

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I'm not sure

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:42 PM

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restive quartz Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb Ability: As One (Spectrier) Level: 50 Tera Type:...

Evs are very off

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Yeah, and they're not optimal.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:42 PM

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How so?

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Volc is wasting evs

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And you should run bulk on a lot of this mons

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Usually, EV spreads are done with specific damage calculations in mind.

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Mainly Miraidon Whims and Volc

chrome knot Jul 11, 2025, 6:43 PM

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no its also that 8 & 248 are not ev numbers

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Yeah

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VGC is at level 50 where those numbers don't give evs

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:44 PM

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stone trellis Usually, EV spreads are done with specific damage calculations in mind.

For example, the standard Ice Rider Calyrex set since Regulation G began is 252 HP, 60 Attack and 196 Special Defense to eliminate any chances of an Electro Drift from Specs Modest Miraidon KOing.

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:44 PM

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foggy lodge VGC is at level 50 where those numbers don't give evs

This too.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:44 PM

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stone trellis For example, the standard Ice Rider Calyrex set since Regulation G began is 252 ...

I see

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Also, please check DMs so we don't have to flood chat with the team paste.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Sorry, I'm still relatively new to competitive

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:45 PM

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No, it's fine.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:45 PM

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stone trellis Also, please check DMs so we don't have to flood chat with the team paste.

Sure

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:45 PM

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I’m so glad pastes are back

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:46 PM

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So, to fix my team, what should I do?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Spore and Miraidon don’t really go very well together

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And Whims doesn’t need taunt and encore

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:49 PM

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shadow wind Spore and Miraidon don’t really go very well together

You can, of course, have Amoonguss on a team with Miraidon in it, but that's more so due to Amoonguss' sheer amount of support options.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:50 PM

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I think Miraidon Amoonguss is fake

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Just use Volcarona

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:50 PM

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I'm mainly using Whimsy for Tailwind

real prairie Jul 11, 2025, 6:51 PM

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@chrome knot

chrome knot Jul 11, 2025, 6:52 PM

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cool hat

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:52 PM

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restive quartz I'm mainly using Whimsy for Tailwind

You could give it fake tears to be really evil

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:52 PM

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I think I might

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 6:55 PM

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why did I just fight a team that had a calyrex with encore and disable JudgementalSobble

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Cool hat

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 6:55 PM

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is that a strat I was unaware of

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:55 PM

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turbid birch why did I just fight a team that had a calyrex with encore and disable <:Judgeme...

Oh no

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 6:55 PM

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restive quartz Oh no

caught me by surprise lol

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:56 PM

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I can imagine

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 6:56 PM

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turbid birch is that a strat I was unaware of

Yeah people use it

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It’s not super common but it’s definitely an option

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 6:57 PM

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turbid birch why did I just fight a team that had a calyrex with encore and disable <:Judgeme...

Which one?

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 6:57 PM

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shadow

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 6:58 PM

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restive quartz Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb Ability: As One (Spectrier) Level: 50 Tera Type:...

How do I fix my team? I wanna maximalise its potential

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 6:59 PM

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chrome knot cool hat

Which one of those cups are you

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:00 PM

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restive quartz How do I fix my team? I wanna maximalise its potential

Well you can play with it and see what things you like about it and don’t like and adjust accordingly

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And if something just isn’t working then change it

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 7:00 PM

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shadow wind Well you can play with it and see what things you like about it and don’t like a...

Oh I've been playing with it a lot, its been really useful

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:00 PM

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It’s all trial and error

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Alright, we have a problem.

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What items does Walking Wake run other than AV?

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:00 PM

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I am not Houston

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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stone trellis What items does Walking Wake run other than AV?

Life Orb is my go-to

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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Life Orb
Maybe a Booster Energy
Though rn they're probably all AV

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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Yeah I run lorb wake

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Me when 5/6 mons on a team want AV 😔

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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restive quartz Life Orb is my go-to

I still don't get why you picked Wake over Bolt.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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What

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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You have Hisuian Lilligant and Flutter Mane, you do not need any further speed control.

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 7:01 PM

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I don't have a Raging Bolt in my game

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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restive quartz I don't have a Raging Bolt in my game

I can make the team for you, man!

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Tf Walking Wake gotta do with speed control?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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I’m not following either

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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bold geode Tf Walking Wake gotta do with speed control?

Being really fucking fast is speed control.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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No it isn’t

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Now Bolt has speed control but I don't recommend it

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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stone trellis Being really fucking fast is speed control.

Oh so CSR is speed control

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Wake doesn’t make CSR slower or Groudon faster

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Good to know

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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stone trellis I can make the team for you, man!

Thank you, sorry for all the trouble

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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restive quartz Thank you, sorry for all the trouble

leonspring has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:02 PM

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I don't know, man. I haven't played Wake.

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:03 PM

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restive quartz Thank you, sorry for all the trouble

No, it's fine.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:03 PM

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When a Mon is fast like that it’s a speed check not speed control

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:03 PM

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shadow wind When a Mon is fast like that it’s a speed check not speed control

Sorry for using the incorrect term.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:03 PM

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Wake is usually not a speed control Mon just to fill ya in
It just has a speed boost in Sun
To not eat shit to Shadow Rider or Miraidon

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Alright, Orb it is.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Scarf Miraidon 😔

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I love lorb wake

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Scarf Mirai Wolfe_Hello

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Hydro Steam, Flamethrower, Draco and Protect, right?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Thing hits like a half ton

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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stone trellis Hydro Steam, Flamethrower, Draco and Protect, right?

I personally opt weather ball over flame thrower

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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molten oasis Scarf Mirai <:Wolfe_Hello:1296208163414212618>

Puring honey on the MOAT 🍯

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Scarf is like
It's technically speed control? Idk it's in that weird space where it's not but it makes a Pokemon faster via an item idfk

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Idt it is

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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I don’t consider it speed control

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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shadow wind I personally opt weather ball over flame thrower

Alright, I see the vision.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Well I wouldn’t call agility speed control

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Speed control is a supportive thing

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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I think speed control is controlling the speed of your opponents mons

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Like icy wind, tailwind or tr

restive quartz Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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stone trellis Hydro Steam, Flamethrower, Draco and Protect, right?

I like to use Snarl instead of Flamethrower since it helps against special attackers

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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molten oasis I think speed control is controlling the speed of your opponents mons

Well things like tailwind are speed control

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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I think Scarf Ursh is based

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Even Twave to some extent is speed control

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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So Wake needs to be 244 SpA and 252 Spe to get a Speed boost. Where do the other points go?

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Scarf or Sash
Make your opponent see God

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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bold geode I think Scarf Ursh is based

I’ve never successful team with Shifu somehow

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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bold geode Scarf or Sash Make your opponent see God

Band with Tailwind and Trick Room.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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stone trellis So Wake needs to be 244 SpA and 252 Spe to get a Speed boost. Where do the other...

Literally anywhere you want

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:07 PM

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Band is a bitch move worry

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:07 PM

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Band Shifu is funny

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:07 PM

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bold geode Band is a bitch move <:worry:782453475959242802>

It OHKOs CIR in the rain.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:08 PM

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Ass (I'm not coping trust)

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:08 PM

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Band Shifu won Milwaukee and NAIC

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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It might even win Worlds.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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I hate how it’s real

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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stone trellis It might even win Worlds.

Nah the Groudons will come out of hiding and put that bear in its place

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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It'll win Worlds on that fuckass Mirai Nala team and then I'll be salty

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Nah low-key I hate Band cuz I can't calc for it well

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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stone trellis It might even win Worlds.

MiraiNala or CIR-Miraidon
Call it.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:09 PM

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Groudon Miraidon !!

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Trust

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:10 PM

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Zam CSR

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:10 PM

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shadow wind Nah the Groudons will come out of hiding and put that bear in its place

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Groudon in Sun on a critical hit: 156-192 (76 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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I don't think it's surviving a combination of Surging Strikes and Glacial Lance, mate.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Bro what is it with you and calcing tera water every single time

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Nah it's got max friendship trust

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:11 PM

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It is not a 1v2 either

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There are other factors

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:12 PM

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shadow wind Bro what is it with you and calcing tera water every single time

Tera Stellar does the exact same thing.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:12 PM

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And so you burn your Tera just to not kill Groudon

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Cool

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Fair point.

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My point was that if Groudon ever drops below 70%, it's in kill territory.

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(Without the Tera)

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Anyway, I am once again asking you for your help to pick a Groudon partner.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:13 PM

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😭😭😭

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:14 PM

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Look, Leon wants a team and he'll have one.

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And it's even got your GOAT in it.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:14 PM

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I love Groudon

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:14 PM

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So do I.

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Normal Groudon is easily high A tier and Primal Groudon is top of S tier in terms of design.

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:16 PM

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stone trellis Anyway, I am once again asking you for your help to pick a Groudon partner.

The voices tell me to use CIR because I see Coaching and I'm reminded of Ralts Droyd.

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Please give me another good pick.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:16 PM

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I’ve been using Miraidon and it’s been working well

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:17 PM

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Mirai disables Sleep Powder on Lilligant, though I guess I could remove SP and give it After You instead.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:17 PM

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Is Lilligant and must keep?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:17 PM

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shadow wind I’ve been using Miraidon and it’s been working well

Scarf or Specs?

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:18 PM

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shadow wind Is Lilligant and must keep?

Leon says so.

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Let him have his fun.

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He's not in the trenches yet.

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He probably has not even faced a single CSR-Zama slop team yet.

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Do I go with After You?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:19 PM

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So all the Groudon Lilligant teams used Lunadon

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:20 PM

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Alright, I can see the vision.

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Lefties CM or Beam?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:20 PM

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They’re all meteor beam

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Alright.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:21 PM

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And 2 of the Groudons are AV and 1 of them is clam

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Odd how lunadon just, doesn’t exist

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Its spirit lives on in MiraiNala.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:22 PM

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molten oasis Odd how lunadon just, doesn’t exist

Because there’s way better options

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Just switch the names around and you'll see the resemblance.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Lunala Groudon gets outshined by Lunala Ursaluna

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Lmao

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:23 PM

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shadow wind Lunala Groudon gets outshined by Lunala Ursaluna

Ah yes, Dual Moon.

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:23 PM

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molten oasis Lmao

Nah I’m being legit

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Ursaluna hits harder and does way better in TR

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Sun doesn’t really matter to Lunala

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:25 PM

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What the hell should Lilligant's Tera Type be, Grass?

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Or Ghost to avoid Fake Out?

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 7:26 PM

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shadow wind Ursaluna hits harder and does way better in TR

True

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:26 PM

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stone trellis What the hell should Lilligant's Tera Type be, Grass?

And what about Wake?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:26 PM

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stone trellis What the hell should Lilligant's Tera Type be, Grass?

Grass

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:27 PM

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So I might not be pressured to run Solar Blade if I want to OHKO Kyogre.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:27 PM

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Lilligant goes Ghost

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:28 PM

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Aight.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:28 PM

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Especially cuz if you're using the Hisuian variant, you're using a Tera Ghost Sash set

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:29 PM

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bold geode Lilligant goes Ghost

I meant ghost 😔

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Should I run Leaf Blade instead of Solar Blade to be more consistent?

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Yes

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:31 PM

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It’s been a long road trip I’ve been on

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:31 PM

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What about Wake's Tera Type?

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:31 PM

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I run fire

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Aight.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Water is also good

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:35 PM

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Yup

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But against things like Rilla fire is better

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Tera fire weather ball also OHKOs things like Zama and CIR

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Don't make me shit my pants

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Wait
Why not just Flamethrower or blast with a Draco into not Steel

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/56b9fdc2fccf58b1

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Fuck, I just noticed that the s and the ' are in the wrong places.

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How ass is the team?

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Idk
I'm tryna ask people wtf is up with these fuckin labubus

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Teams not bad considering what ya got

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:41 PM

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whats wrong with labubus?? i have like 3

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 7:41 PM

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bold geode Wait Why not just Flamethrower or blast with a Draco into not Steel

What do you mean?

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:41 PM

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squirtleblush

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:42 PM

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turbid birch whats wrong with labubus?? i have like 3

Idk cuz idk shit about em

real prairie Jul 11, 2025, 7:42 PM

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shadow wind You could give it fake tears to be really evil

Ah the memories

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:42 PM

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I know it's a doll and that's it

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:42 PM

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bold geode Teams not bad considering what ya got

Thank God.

gentle cragBOT Jul 11, 2025, 7:42 PM

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stone trellis Thank God.

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:43 PM

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Dollarmonke is God confirmed?

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Anyways, now I need to get 100 bajillion Pokedollars to build a team again.

real prairie Jul 11, 2025, 7:43 PM

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stone trellis Dollarmonke is God confirmed?

Dollarmonke is Arceus*

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 7:43 PM

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stone trellis Dollarmonke is God confirmed?

If i am Jesus, I am terribly sorry

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:44 PM

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stone trellis Anyways, now I need to get 100 bajillion Pokedollars to build a team again.

It'll take roughly around 3 million Pokedollars and I only have 1,1 million.

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How do I get 1,9 mil in one day?

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:48 PM

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cant belive i missed the incineroar myster gift

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now i gotta build my own

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:48 PM

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turbid birch cant belive i missed the incineroar myster gift

I used to have it, but I gave it away.

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:48 PM

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stone trellis How do I get 1,9 mil in one day?

when you find out lmk bc im broke from buying bottle caps

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Okay, here's an idea.

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:49 PM

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stone trellis I used to have it, but I gave it away.

GengarSad

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:49 PM

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stone trellis Okay, here's an idea.

Zamazenta VS every Duraludon in the Terarium.

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The Synchro Machine is so GOATed, man.

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990 Duraludon Tarnishes should allow me to use the Item Printer 66 times.

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Surely that'll give me enough money.

turbid birch Jul 11, 2025, 7:52 PM

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wait...

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how am i just finding out abt the item printer

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 7:53 PM

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It's in the League Club Room.

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After upgrading it twice, it only costs 30 BP for you to print 10 items.

near crag Jul 11, 2025, 9:33 PM

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How good do y’all think zacian lunala is?

solid frigate Jul 11, 2025, 9:41 PM

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near crag How good do y’all think zacian lunala is?

@craggy dagger

foggy lodge Jul 11, 2025, 9:45 PM

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near crag How good do y’all think zacian lunala is?

Bad

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Zacian CSR is better

craggy dagger Jul 11, 2025, 9:45 PM

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solid frigate <@541037106496012290>

huh

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it’s alright
though i haven’t played zacnala in a while

stone trellis Jul 11, 2025, 9:53 PM

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foggy lodge Zacian CSR is better

It's so good that it won Worlds already.

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 10:25 PM

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craggy dagger it’s alright though i haven’t played zacnala in a while

craggy dagger Jul 11, 2025, 10:26 PM

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bold geode

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 10:31 PM

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craggy dagger

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What doin stimky

craggy dagger Jul 11, 2025, 10:33 PM

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rivals-

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 10:41 PM

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craggy dagger rivals-

What think of new season...

craggy dagger Jul 11, 2025, 10:51 PM

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is ok

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i cant aim so phoenix is bad in my hands

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 11:10 PM

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How often do you guys make teams and the first draft is like near perfect?

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Perfect meaning you can use it consistently

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Not that it’s unbeatable or anything

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Cause maybe this is just me and my team building skills are lacking in the perfecting aspect but I feel like when I make teams they’re usually 90% done on the first draft

molten oasis Jul 11, 2025, 11:13 PM

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I’m doing this with my Zac Mirai team lol

dense latch Jul 11, 2025, 11:13 PM

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shadow wind How often do you guys make teams and the first draft is like near perfect?

most cases i feel like

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but i do make small improvements over time

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i've been sticking to very similar cores recently though

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this is what my reg i builder looks like lmao

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i wish i lined these up

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Starting with not your Restricteds is a criminal offense

bold geode Jul 11, 2025, 11:15 PM

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craggy dagger i cant aim so phoenix is bad in my hands

Same
Also SG teamup is stupid

shadow wind Jul 11, 2025, 11:15 PM

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You don’t even want to see my builder

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The red line of Groudon stretches for miles

foggy lodge Jul 12, 2025, 12:06 AM

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LMAO

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The line of red ants searching food:

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:08 AM

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They’re still hungry 😔

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Starving even

foggy lodge Jul 12, 2025, 12:09 AM

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You have to win a regional to feed them Conner

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:11 AM

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They’re going to be starving for a while

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But I’ll do my best 🫡

bold geode Jul 12, 2025, 12:13 AM

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dense latch Jul 12, 2025, 12:18 AM

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bold geode

i’d watch

bold geode Jul 12, 2025, 12:19 AM

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dense latch i’d watch

It don't even look like an anime adaptation or a meme
It just looks like a regular ass Adam Sandler movie

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 12:20 AM

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It, it does

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:48 AM

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I actually think Groudon is real right now

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Maybe I’m being blinded by the sun

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 12:49 AM

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I played that team a bit last night

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Groudon didn’t feel all that bad

lofty tartan Jul 12, 2025, 12:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

Tenor

dense latch Jul 12, 2025, 12:51 AM

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anyone signed up for the smogon vgc tour next weekend?

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:53 AM

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molten oasis I played that team a bit last night

Which team?

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Oh the Groudon Zacian one

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That’s good

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Groudon somehow feels like a consistent Mon right now, I don’t know how to explain it

dense latch Jul 12, 2025, 12:54 AM

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how’s your most recent team looking like conner

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e98d504caedcaf69

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Same as it was before

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Literally nothing has changed

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It still feels a teensy bit off but it’d probably be fine to make in game right now

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It feels like a 5 mon team

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 12:58 AM

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shadow wind That’s good

It is but

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I’m going to Zacogre against my better judgement

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It’s objectively the best partner for Zac

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 12:59 AM

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100% fair

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No Gmax Zard so there’s not really a reason to run Groudon Zacian

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 12:59 AM

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Yea

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I hate playing it but, I just need to accept the Mon lol

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https://pokepast.es/fdbe0a3ab1d58dce

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So I’m gonna do this

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:05 AM

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AV Kyogre

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 1:05 AM

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Cuz it lets me do Zac pao shifu

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 1:05 AM

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shadow wind AV Kyogre

Yea

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Better into CSR

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:05 AM

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AV Kyogre is the right way to run Kyogre

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 1:05 AM

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Ye

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:07 AM

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Like I wouldn’t know

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But I would run AV Kyogre

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Or lefties

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Currently running lefties Groudon so maybe I’m just going crazy

foggy lodge Jul 12, 2025, 1:14 AM

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I think its the last one

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Odds are

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Clear amulet propaganda

molten oasis Jul 12, 2025, 1:15 AM

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foggy lodge I think its the last one

The last one?

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2401189517-8j2wa3702jfs512bbqin8s2pxu14ea1pw big Tera

[Gen 9] VGC 2025 Reg I: LightSaber67 vs. Kamish's struggle - Replay...

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between LightSaber67 and Kamish's struggle! Format: [Gen 9] VGC 2025 Reg I; Date: Jul 12, 2025

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Man I’m tweaking out right now

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18 hour car ride is not it

rustic mountain Jul 12, 2025, 1:35 AM

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shadow wind Man I’m tweaking out right now

different then usual?

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peepoglad

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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Yeah this time it’s not Groudon induced

lofty tartan Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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arkeknine

rustic mountain Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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rocksus

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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And recently Groudon has been doing nothing but good things for me

foggy lodge Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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Imagine that a Groudon is behind the car that will make it interesting

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:36 AM

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Except when I double missed Pblades against that guy with like a 30 GXE and I had to go to a game 3

shadow wind Jul 12, 2025, 1:37 AM

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foggy lodge Imagine that a Groudon is behind the car that will make it interesting

Me personally I’m stopping the car to admire the goat

foggy lodge Jul 12, 2025, 1:37 AM

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You are getting into a battle then

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Imagine you just get near enough to Groudon and drought activates and a fire ball just appears out of nowhere in the sky