people:wait Zama Mirai? i thought this is 2018?
Drago:EXACTLY
#competitive_discussion
solid frigate
molten oasis
Gotta say, specs koko does crazy damage lol
solid frigate
Gotta say, specs koko does crazy damage lol
it does quite respectable damage
atomic mural
it does quite respectable damage
imagine if they made a pokemon that did the same thing but gave it a base special attack stat higher than 100 and a version of electric terrain that gave it another special attack boost, that would be crazy
bold geode
@solid frigate why was I pinged
solid frigate
<@758873265053106217> why was I pinged
Solgaleo Mentioned
molten oasis
imagine if they made a pokemon that did the same thing but gave it a base specia...
That would be crazy
bold geode
Solgaleo was a silly idea that was done for content and was actually better than we thought
Now was it in general good? Nah
Would Solgaleo have worked in G? Hell nah
Also I'm seeing a lot of "Kyogre bad" propaganda
solid frigate
Also I'm seeing a lot of "Kyogre bad" propaganda
as a team aqua member
Fuck this shit
ember linden
Kyogre slander always true
bold geode
Nah don't listen to the propaganda
atomic mural
actually looking at their stats side by side, wtf
bold geode
Now is Kyogre not as good as some other restricted rn? Absofuckinlutely
But like
If you're saying it's straight up bad, that is a big lie
molten oasis
actually looking at their stats side by side, wtf
Koko is a weird Mon lmao
and it’s built like a physical attacker even tho the normal thing is special
shadow wind
Also I'm seeing a lot of "Kyogre bad" propaganda
People will complain about origin pulse when water spout is right there
atomic mural
and it’s built like a physical attacker even tho the normal thing is special
that is weird
shadow wind
Like I’ve never seen a Kyogre player say Kyogre is good just that they wish he had better options
Some people drown while others die of thirst I guess
atomic mural
is not even miraidon can stop kyogre from winning tournaments, its never going to be bad
molten oasis
It’s more than miraidon
atomic mural
yeah
stone trellis
and it’s built like a physical attacker even tho the normal thing is special
It is supposed to be a physical attacker, it's just that James Freak thinks that giving physical Electric types actual usable moves would be too much.
molten oasis
It gets wild charge
stone trellis
And judging by Iron Hands' performance, it makes sense.
molten oasis
But it doesn’t get play rough, that’s its main issue
bold geode
People will complain about origin pulse when water spout is right there
Hot take: Pulse is better
molten oasis
And also vswitch is good
stone trellis
Hot take: Pulse is better
Pulse would be better if it were 90 or 95% accurate.
stone trellis
It's 90.
atomic mural
isnt it 90?
stone trellis
90 is good on spread moves.
bold geode
Still more than 85
molten oasis
People complain about Play Rough, that shit 95%
I don’t really complain much about play rough anymore
And it’s 90
atomic mural
i will always hate play rough for missing the one time i needed to hit it in order to win a game
molten oasis
Not 95
stone trellis
It's more so the fact that Moonblast is more powerful and more accurate than Play Rough.
stone trellis
i will always hate play rough for missing the one time i needed to hit it in ord...
I missed a Metal Sound six times once in a Tera Raid.
atomic mural
It's more so the fact that Moonblast is more powerful and more accurate than Pla...
and physical attackers have to deal with intimidate
stone trellis
They gave physical fairies the back hand
And then they made Zacian.
atomic mural
I missed a Metal Sound six times once in a Tera Raid.
oof
stone trellis
I missed a Metal Sound six times once in a Tera Raid.
That same Mandibuzz then went on to crit a Dark Pulse and flinch my Miraidon twice.
I still have it.
bold geode
If y'all can't look at pros vs cons and just zone in on the inaccuracy, then just play a different restricted
bold geode
One thing I never see a soul talk about more which I actually think is a fat chunk of Kyogre's problem rn is not the mon itself, it's the comps
solid frigate
gen 9 is not really kind with Kyogre in terms of comps and Matchups
but i am happy to see innovation on them at least
molten oasis
And then they made Zacian.
Zacian is a b tier mon rn
solid frigate
Kyogre is like Low A high B rn
molten oasis
Zac is fine
stone trellis
Zacian is a b tier mon rn
Yes, because they gave it three nerfs.
bold geode
Like I'm sorry but like
ZacOgre and Mirai Ogre
Basically your comps that are more centric around having that Tailwind up
It can do alright but like idt it's gonna be event winning
molten oasis
Hence me dropping it
bold geode
Like you might see a top cut but is it gonna win? Idts
molten oasis
Mirai Zac doesn’t need tw nearly as much
solid frigate
Hence me dropping it
same but not until i put that mf to 1600
bold geode
Now Ice Rider Kyogre? That one is good and also I might have a little bias in this
But I still feel Zamazenta Kyogre is a comp that's still flying under the radar for whatever reason
solid frigate
i just don't even need TW on Korai Lunala
stone trellis
Even Mega Rayquaza would be mid if it got its Attack and Special Attack reduced to 140, got Delta Stream nerfed so it can get overwritten by normal weather and had to hold a Mega Stone to go Mega.
solid frigate
Now Ice Rider Kyogre? That one is good and also I might have a little bias in th...
i mean both are just dead to Miraidon
So it make sense they do not consider
stone trellis
Now Ice Rider Kyogre? That one is good and also I might have a little bias in th...
I should try that.
bold geode
Like I know those comps were TW centric too but like from experience trying it at the start of the format, that duo actually has quite a bit potential to actually innovate
bold geode
i mean both are just dead to Miraidon
So it make sense they do not consider
That duo has so many partners it can use for Miraidon
stone trellis
I have a Lunala with 0 Attack and Speed IVs. Should I keep its Speed IVs at zero for when I eventually decide that I hate myself enough to try hard TR?
solid frigate
Like I'm sorry but like
ZacOgre and Mirai Ogre
Basically your comps that are mor...
if its like Utretch i would say Mirai Ogre have a shot but like
Again its a one man army that time so
bold geode
Amoonguss
Landorus Incarnate
Rillaboom
Chien Pao
Flutter Mane could work
There's probably more
bold geode
if its like Utretch i would say Mirai Ogre have a shot but like
Again its a one...
Nah it just doesn't
Way too linear
solid frigate
Amoonguss
Landorus Incarnate
Rillaboom
Chien Pao
Flutter Mane could work
There...
I was gonna say Ursa but like
I forgot i am still in my Korai Lunala phase
bold geode
That's why the TW Kyogre centric comps are not doing well enough, cuz the lines and game plans are all so linear that it's like ABCs making game plans against it
stone trellis
This is why we run TailRoom.
solid frigate
@shadow wind from a different server and they belive in Groudon
solid frigate
Double Swords Dance?
this is not a VGC server so yeah
stone trellis
this is not a VGC server so yeah
What the hell is Double Swords Dance?
solid frigate
What the hell is Double Swords Dance?
+4 attack.
solid frigate
I thought he meant Double Dance or something (AKA SD and Rock Polish).
i think Groudons don't run that in singles or doubles anyway
solid frigate
Does Lunala in hard TR usually run min Speed?
yeah
but if its has meteor beam then you run speed faster than Rilla
stone trellis
but if its has meteor beam then you run speed faster than Rilla
Nah, I am way too straight to run MB Lunala.
solid frigate
then quiet
solid frigate
the only reason i say meteor beam cuz Lunala Koraidon exists
stone trellis
Now I just have to find a way to not make 2/3 of my team weak to Dark and/or Ghost.
molten oasis
Impossible
molten oasis
Probably
stone trellis
the only reason i say meteor beam cuz Lunala Koraidon exists
Ah yes, because Koraidon wants to take a High Horsepower.
stone trellis
Torkoal any day of the week.
stone trellis
Are you playing CIR hard tr?
I have an agenda to maintain, so yeah.
molten oasis
Then ig you play torkoal stuff with Ursa and Deedee
stone trellis
And who's the last member, Darkshifu with Band?
Does CIR in hard TR teams run Amulet or Lefties?
molten oasis
Probably darkshifu
molten oasis
Max Attack and max Speed?
Oh hard tr yiu can do a power item set
0 speed, if you really wanted to
stone trellis
That gets it to around 56 Speed.
I don't have one with less Speed IVs, so that's the lowest I can go.
I found a spread for Urshifu that allows it to live a Close Combat from 196 Attack Adamant Koraidon in the sun 56.25% of the time with Tera Fire.
stone trellis
Is there a Tera Type Torkoal likes to run other than Fire?
Because I don't want literally half of my team to be Tera Fire 💀
stone trellis
Ah yes, let's give it a Tera Type that lets opposing sun abusers OHKO it.
Oh well, guess I'll just have three guys who run Tera Fire.
Andrew Zheng had three with Tera Grass anyway.
Should Lunala be Lefties Calm Mind?
left bobcat
Mmmmmmm nah
dapper crag
Hi is there someone master ball rank on SV ?
next stump
probably everyone in this chat
solid frigate
pls tell me its not comission to give your pokemon master rank badge
lean ridge
Anyone know if wide guard blocks non damaging spread moves like tail whip?
cyan smelt
It blocks poison gas so I'd assume so
lean ridge
I see ty
next lynx
probably everyone in this chat
Yep
shadow wind
probably everyone in this chat
Hey let’s not assume things
foggy lodge
😔
molten oasis
Hey let’s not assume things
Bruh
bold geode
It’s hard for some of us alright
solid frigate
shadow wind
Why you guys judging so hard?
next lynx
It’s hard for some of us alright
bold geode
Why you guys judging so hard?
Haha
bold geode
molten oasis
atomic mural
God forbid a guy not be Masterball rank
its okay man i havent opened ranked in a couple months
solid frigate
shadow wind
Y’all are haters
molten oasis
shadow wind
And this is the point where I tell you guys I’ve actually never hit Masterball
forest arrow
🫃
solid frigate
Land Down Under Moment
minor current
Would anyone be willing to help me build a simple singles team around goodra
bold geode
And this is the point where I tell you guys I’ve actually never hit Masterball
Haha get fucked nerd
rustic mountain
It’s hard for some of us alright
wait wat?
uve gotten like top 10 on sd how have u not hit mball
shadow wind
Yknow I'm a little shocked you're the first person to doubt my claim
But yeah nah I'm just pulling your leg I've hit masterball loads
Think I peaked 3rd?
Which wasn't that impressive it's CTS Bo1 and it was the start of a season
wild knot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeAH7VzEQRI
I realise now why wernt there any competitors in the interviews? Just collectors.
rustic mountain
But yeah nah I'm just pulling your leg I've hit masterball loads
i was like theres no way lmao
ur such a cts hater
shadow wind
Yeah I bet in the back of your mind you were thinking that there was actually a chance
rustic mountain
my only reasoning was u had a severe mental block on cart for some reason and or low attention span
shadow wind
Both plausible
But nah my attention span is actually one of the only things I can say I'm goated at
solid frigate
shadow wind
Sometimes I wonder how this mon was allowed
Like
135 spatk with one billion multipliers
Although I think killing even a no bulk Koraidon is a roll
foggy lodge
It's the same way Wolfey discovered life orb Koraidon
He clicked collision into a Miraidon did 60% and the Miraidon killed it with electro drift
shadow wind
I think Lunala Miraidon teams with Rillaboom are my least favourite
I wish there was an unaware mon that functioned in the sun and wasn't complete trash
I don't quite understand
Low elo 😔
What a game to reveal my GXE
molten oasis
I wish there was an unaware mon that functioned in the sun and wasn't complete t...
Y?
shadow wind
Because I hate calm mind
And the only unaware mon that is even close to viable is Dozo
next lynx
https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833
shadow wind
They just be running zero bulk I guess
molten oasis
Because I hate calm mind
Calm mind?
You’re playing groudon
And I think there’s a reason unaware has little mons to pick from, it’s a good ability
shadow wind
You’re playing groudon
And they just intimidate cycle me 😔
Because I'm a clam non believer
molten oasis
Fair
shadow wind
I hate not having an item whenever they don't have Incin
Which granted is almost every game
But we're cooking now
Leftovers Groudon !
molten oasis
Eww what
shadow wind
Yessir !
molten oasis
Why
shadow wind
Because he's fat as balls
shadow wind
It ain't singles
molten oasis
Ik
shadow wind
And I bet I live
shadow wind
Yup
molten oasis
atomic mural
Groudon when wake enters the room
miraidon draco meteor
molten oasis
I wanna see that calc, like I bet it can
shadow wind
244 SpA Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Groudon in Sun: 168-200 (87.5 - 104.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
I may have been hopeful
molten oasis
30% 💔
shadow wind
Without lorb
molten oasis
Well I think most wake are av
shadow wind
But guys, this is why we have scarf Miraidon with snarl
atomic mural
244 SpA Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Groudon in Sun: 168-200 (8...
thats without proto boost?
shadow wind
Acting like we use proto spatk anyway
molten oasis
They’re usually proto speed
atomic mural
wow i have really missed a lot
shadow wind
Incredible question
molten oasis
Sometimes, daily
shadow wind
Nah I've been playing Clash Royale lately so Groudon testing has been put on hold
atomic mural
Its so crazy to think scarlet and violet came out 3 years ago
shadow wind
In my 6 sets I didn't see one
molten oasis
You see
shadow wind
Maybe the world is healing
molten oasis
That’s 6 sets, it’s just lurking waiting to ruin you
atomic mural
Well this format loves smeagle now so
yeah wake me up when champions comes out and araquanids good again
shadow wind
Yeah I stopped at 6-0
molten oasis
Ok, assuming champions is what we want it to be
shadow wind
I don't want to mess with the balance
atomic mural
i just want araquanid
molten oasis
I wanna play tapus in gen 9
shadow wind
But really I just wanted to see my GXE and now I'm back playing Clash Royale
And I think I fried my shoulder swimming so that's dope
molten oasis
Damn
atomic mural
And I think I fried my shoulder swimming so that's dope
that sucks
shadow wind
But in that I found the limit that I can swim without my shoulder hurting so that's also dope
Somewhere between 1200-1500m cause it started to hurt at 1500m
And then apparently swimming another 1500m didn't help it
next lynx
Kyurem white is lowkey better then miraidon
molten oasis
next lynx
<:huh:648907612250701855>
You gotta trust the process
next lynx
I don’t remember seeing Kyurem win worlds
When they release the true form of bro you’ll see🙂↕️
shadow wind
Man why we gotta make who we use public information now
You don’t see me putting “God I love Groudon” in my username
next lynx
You don’t see me putting “God I love Groudon” in my username
Yeah no you should list your whole squad
waxen dock
Did you guys sign up for the smogon tour?
stone trellis
I have a Torkoal that's slow enough to speed tie with minimum Speed Amoonguss.
Are there any other Pokemon that go below 31 Speed?
foggy lodge
Hatterene
stone trellis
Oh well, I have Wide Guard.
And Torkoal's a Fire type, so it resists any Fairy moves.
stone trellis
Also, what Hatterene wants to sit in front of Darkshifu and Lunala?
stone trellis
I have a Torkoal that's slow enough to speed tie with minimum Speed Amoonguss.
And despite not being from a Tera Raid, it spawned with 31 IVs in both HP and Defense, as well as 0 in Special Attack.
bold geode
Also, what Hatterene wants to sit in front of Darkshifu and Lunala?
I mean
You do smack Urshifu Dark
stone trellis
I mean
You do smack Urshifu Dark
Tera Fire Darkshifu walls it.
bold geode
Tera Fire Darkshifu walls it.
- Nobody runs that
- After it teras, you can hit it with Psychic moves
stone trellis
1. Nobody runs that
2. After it teras, you can hit it with Psychic moves
I'm going to run it because Tera Fire in the sun is funny as shit + Smeargle with Helping Hand already makes up for the lack of Tera Dark.
bold geode
stone trellis
It's hard TR, I kind of have to run schizo stuff.
bold geode
Not really?
stone trellis
I'm still doing it.
At least it's not running Tera Grass with a sun setter next to it.
I could always try using both.
I can just use the one I got from PKCL to fill out my dex for the Tera Dark stuff and the one I got legitimately for the Tera Fire.
foggy lodge
At least it's not running Tera Grass with a sun setter next to it.
Its not like it matters lol
Mdb won a regional with torkoal and tera grass shifu xd
stone trellis
That was his team?
foggy lodge
Yes
stone trellis
Alright, I'm changing everything.
The only issue is figuring out the spreads.
Do you have a Pokepaste?
stone trellis
So the Andrew Zheng team copied this guy's whole flow.
I can just replace Bolt with Lunala.
Since it's hard TR, I can run bulk on Urshifu, right?
stone trellis
0 Speed IVs?
foggy lodge
And the bolt was 1 point faster so if a mon protects Urshifu hits through protect kills it and then the attack of Bolt gets redirected to the other slot
And create a pin where if it stays it dies and if it switches the new mon also dies
stone trellis
The Lunala I have is min Speed proper, so it can also do the same outside Trick Room.
foggy lodge
You are almost never wanting to play outside tr with this team
Just in endgame situations basically
stone trellis
I can't get a minimum Speed Urshifu though.
Also, I'll have to sack one of the Pokemon to have both Bolt and Lunala.
Man, fuck hard TR.
stone trellis
I kind of want to run Raichu on a rain team because it'd be really funny.
Like oh, Miraidon wants to nuke Kyogre? Nuh-uh.
Fake Out and Nuzzle are also just an awesome combination of moves.
knotty mirage
Hmm didn't people use zebstrika now tho
stone trellis
No idea.
jade dust
Like oh, Miraidon wants to nuke Kyogre? Nuh-uh.
Draco metoer nukes kyoger anyway
stone trellis
Fair point.
But you can also just... not lead Kyogre and deal with Miraidon using the big, unnerving horse.
turbid birch
Is ogerpon really worth having on a team with miraidon and lunala?? specifcally hearthflame ogerpon
srry if its a dumb question im tryna get back into competitive battling
jade dust
Is ogerpon really worth having on a team with miraidon and lunala?? specifcally ...
Ogerpon fire is one of the best ways to kill the grass idiot monkey
So yes
stone trellis
Yeah, especially since it forces the monkey into burning its Tera.
stone trellis
Yeah, that's the point.
stone trellis
If it teras then electro drill can kill it
Can't Draco kill it anyway?
jade dust
Can't Draco kill it anyway?
Those fucking assholes make monkey max HP and Sp Def
Helping hand draco meteor isnt enough to OHKO
stone trellis
Electro Drift and Draco have the same BP when they're neutral.
So unless Rilla goes Tera Water, it doesn't matter.
jade dust
Electro Drift and Draco have the same BP when they're neutral.
But electro drill wont drop your Sp Atk by 2 stages
If you can 2HKO the monkey anyway
Better electro drill
stone trellis
Fair.
Also, Hearthflame bullies Amoonguss.
It can redirect Spore when Electric Terrain isn't up or OHKO it with Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel.
And it doesn't care about Rocky Helmet chip damage.
turbid birch
ok thx so i definitely will be adding it to my team. time to ev train it 
im currently thinking, lunala, miraidon, ogerpon, whimsicott, urshifu (rapid), and chien pao???
solid frigate
But electro drill wont drop your Sp Atk by 2 stages
Ah yes Electro Drill
my favourite Spamming move
jade dust
my favourite Spamming move
Mine too, after glacial lance
stone trellis
im currently thinking, lunala, miraidon, ogerpon, whimsicott, urshifu (rapid), a...
What set does Lunala run?
Electric Seed Tera Fairy Moonblast with TR?
foggy lodge
Is ogerpon really worth having on a team with miraidon and lunala?? specifcally ...
I used a variant with Entei to kill Rilla
Its inmune to intimidate and fake out
But Hearthflame is also good I just personally like Entei more with Mirainala
stone trellis
Entei also has a more consistent form of speed control than Chien-Pao with E-Speed, as well as the Sacred Fire gambling.
I'm making a CIR-Kyogre team and I need to decide on a Tailwind setter.
Should I use Tornadus?
molten oasis
Morning fellas
stone trellis
Good morning.
molten oasis
What we cookin today
stone trellis
i'd do jugulis
Why Jugulis?
dense latch
Why Jugulis?
great into shadow rider, hurricane does good damage in rain, very fast tailwind and snarl
turbid birch
Electric Seed Tera Fairy Moonblast with TR?
Yupppp
dense latch
dark type is well positioned into the meta especially when it's not weak to zama
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2400376566-07b8bibmxm5akw4yoovsnvk8x4brg3lpw got a 300 elo uppair on one of my new alts lol
shadow wind
If I’m that guy I’m done for the day
shadow wind
stone trellis
What EV spread does Jugulis run?
shadow wind
It's surprising how many people forget how goated Farig is
stone trellis
Was CIR Tera Fire?
stone trellis
How did Weather Ball KO then?
Oh right, it's in the sun.
I thought Walking Wake was Pelipper for some reason 💀
stone trellis
It's surprising how many people forget how goated Farig is
It's won Worlds and it disables priority moves without getting into terrain wars. I think whoever doesn't think it's in the top 10 best regular Pokemon is lying to themselves.
stone trellis
And its typing is great.
stone trellis
But those things can be dealt with.
Especially since I think it fits into a lot of team styles.
shadow wind
Man I hate playing these teams
Landorus is just a disgusting pokemon
What the
People need to stop adding scream tail and Goth to random sun teams expecting it to now be perish trap
Yknow I'm pretty happy with 10-0 on Bo3
stone trellis
Landorus is just a disgusting pokemon
I remember when mine 1V1'd an opposing Lando.
They must've been Scarf locked, because they only went for Sludge Bomb.
They had already burnt their Tera, so it was doing nothing compared to my own SB.
They even tried to use Substitute, still didn't do shit.
shadow wind
If they were scarf locked how did they go for sub?
shadow wind
Then why did you think they were scarfed? 😭
stone trellis
I am the dumbest human alive.
shadow wind
😭
stone trellis
Anyways, I remember facing this super bulky and annoying Kyogre-CIR team with Cresselia and Lando-T.
shadow wind
Cress is cooked
stone trellis
THEY WERE RUNNING CHALK IN REGULATION I
stone trellis
Anyways, I still remember my Miraidon going for Snarl twice and it critting on Lando both times.
Specifically on Landorus though.
shadow wind
Although I think my team is very good into Kyogre CIR so maybe it's bad luck I didn't run into any Kyogres
stone trellis
You know, I remember seeing calculations to be sure that -1 Mystic Water Kyogre after a Snarl would not be able to KO Tera Fire Calyrex with Water Spout in rain.
Snarl would never do anything above 18%, so Water Spout was still their strongest move.
shadow wind
Oh yeah people forget how strong snarl is
Cause everyone is used to -1 Groudon doing like 20%
But you don't see -1 Kyogre too often
stone trellis
All my Miraidon does is use Snarl.
There are a lot of special attackers and few people with the balls to click Wide Guard.
shadow wind
My Miraidon is pretty average I think
stone trellis
Neither do I.
shadow wind
Ogerpon MIGHT be getting replaced
stone trellis
And I never hit Draco because it's missed twice in the same game.
molten oasis
KILL ME NOT THEM! Ah
stone trellis
And I never hit Draco because it's missed twice in the same game.
And I lost because of that.
stone trellis
Ogerpon MIGHT be getting replaced
Ah, so this is the famous "suicide lead" singles players like to talk about.
shadow wind
Yeah he might be getting the boot
stone trellis
The question is what
I was watching Aaron Zheng's most recent video and it gave me an idea.
shadow wind
Or she sorry
stone trellis
I was watching Aaron Zheng's most recent video and it gave me an idea.
What if, instead of running Rhyperior on that team, you ran Raichu?
With a good TW setter, you outspeed pretty much everything and are now free to click Thunder in rain.
stone trellis
I wanted to give it something like Fake Out / Nuzzle / Thunder / Protect, but I think giving it a Fairy move so it can nuke shit with Tera Fairy would be funnier.
solid frigate
My Mirai mostly clicks edrift
same
stone trellis
By the way, I call the two Miraidon I got in Violet "BVC Sr." and "BVC Jr." respectively.
Do not ask what that stands for.
stone trellis
stone trellis
By the way, what is a good set for Iron Jugulis?
shadow wind
Iron Jugulis @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Snarl
- Tailwind
- Protect
stone trellis
Somebody suggested that I use it as a TW setter and I want to see the vision.
shadow wind
I ran this on a Groudon Zacian team
stone trellis
Iron Jugulis @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Gh...
Can I run Hurricane since this is on a rain team?
shadow wind
Yeah I just ran air slash cause sun
stone trellis
Yeah, makes sense.
Should I run Scarf on Urshifu or Band?
I think Band is better since it can function both in Tailwind and in Trick Room.
shadow wind
What's the team look like?
stone trellis
It's Kyogre, Calyrex-Ice, Urshifu, Iron Jugulis, Raichu and another one that I keep forgetting.
Oh right, Amoonguss.
shadow wind
Could you make a paste?
stone trellis
I don't have one yet because the team isn't finished.
shadow wind
Well you could make one of the unfinished team
stone trellis
I don't know if Raichu should be Fake Out / Nuzzle / Thunder / Protect or Fake Out / Alluring Voice / Thunder / Protect.
stone trellis
Well you could make one of the unfinished team
shadow wind
You could go AV on Raichu
shadow wind
To fit in Nuzzle
stone trellis
AV is good on Pokemon with actual HP stats.
60 base HP is not AV material.
Ting-Lu and Iron Hands can run AV because they both have more HP than Giratina.
shadow wind
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Raichu: 129-152 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
He be living
stone trellis
Sure.
shadow wind
And if it is exploding yeah go back to sash
Probably band here?
You have a lot of speed control tools
shadow wind
Or ghost
stone trellis
I don't want it to be CSR food.
shadow wind
And Tera water helps it not be CSR food how?
stone trellis
Then again, maybe I could use a Fake Out immunity.
shadow wind
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 4 HP / 12 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 175-207 (99.4 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Your current Shifu spread is already CSR food so it's not like tera ghost makes it any more vulnerable
stone trellis
I could just run bulk anyway.
It doesn't require crazy Speed investment.
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 4 HP / 132 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 148-175 (84 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The team is unfinished, I can still make changes.
stone trellis
Mine does not need to worry about Koraidon blowing it up.
But I guess making it bulky wouldn't be bad at all.
What are some physical attacks that it needs to be able to survive?
shadow wind
I doubt it's living Rillaboom or Iron Hands
Maybe an Ursaluna?
That might be a stretch though
stone trellis
252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 124 HP / 116 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 186-219 (97.3 - 114.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
shadow wind
😔
shadow wind
God I hate that bear
stone trellis
Oh well, at least we have
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Aqua Jet vs. 140 HP / 44 Def Ursaluna in Rain: 212-252 (95 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO (guaranteed OHKO after burn damage)
shadow wind
Wowza
lean ridge
honestly im more surprised it has a chance at all to survive the guts facade
stone trellis
Wowza
Yeah, it's almost like having 300 Attack at level 50 and stacking three different boosts on Aqua Jet so it turns into a 120 BP move is great at KOing stuff.
shadow wind
Yeah but to be fair Ursaluna is tanky as balls
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
He doesn't deserve all those stats
stone trellis
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 76 HP / 12 Def Iron Hands in Rain on a critical hit: 306-360 (128 - 150.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
HOLY SHIT
stone trellis
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Calyrex-Ice in Rain on a critical hit: 234-276 (113 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This thing KOs everyone, what the hell?
shadow wind
How is that surprising
stone trellis
I don't know, it just felt weird to me.
shadow wind
We've been knowing this guy is busted
stone trellis
Yeah but to be fair Ursaluna is tanky as balls
Yeah, but to be fair, that wasn't Surging Strikes.
shadow wind
What?
stone trellis
The calc was Aqua Jet.
shadow wind
I know
stone trellis
Surging Strikes KOs it 3 times over.
shadow wind
Yeah no duh
Stab
Rain
Tera water
Band
Super effective
Crit
"Oh my god it kills by a lot"
stone trellis
Sometimes you don't realise how good something is until you see it in action.
Guess Urshifu is stealing Groudon's name.
shadow wind
And sometimes it's the opposite
stone trellis
Welcome back, "BOOM!".
stone trellis
And sometimes it's the opposite
Meaning?
shadow wind
That sometimes you see a mon do work and then you go to use it and it dies turn 1
stone trellis
Ah yes, Raging Bolt.
near crag
Any thoughts on this team? The last two slots feel alright, but I think there should be better options
shadow wind
What is that Gothitelle doin
stone trellis
Ah yes, the "I hate CIR" button.
near crag
It's great for setting up pins with zacian and mirai, taunt is cool, and also synergizes well with whims, with these taunt encore loops
shadow wind
How does it set up pins better than say Iron hands
Because this team is very anti TR
And Whimsicott already can deal with TR setters fairly well with encore
And if you added Iron hands over Goth you'd still have fake out but now have more offensive pressure
near crag
I am considering getting hands instead of bundle, but if I lead something like zacian mirai, volt switch into goth, now I get to ignore their supports with fout, and nearly always win that 1v1
shadow wind
You can do that with Iron hands though?
The fake out is on both mons
And I'd keep Bundle because that's anti Lando
Which both your restricteds don't love
near crag
I break most gameplans like that, and also I dont wanna deal with the speed ties, plus I already hate mons like ursaluna
You think I should drop ogerpon?
shadow wind
So getting blown up by Facade is the better option?
I honestly have no clue how the team is played
So that's your call
near crag
A bit better than equake
stone trellis
On an unrelated note,
116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 116 HP / 76 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 157-187 (82.6 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 116 HP / 76 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike in Sun: 168-198 (88.4 - 104.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
WHY IS IT SURVIVING EVERYTHING?
EXCEPT FOR PHYSICAL ATTACKS?
It has 60 Special Defense, it has no right to survive a fucking Earth Power that is effectively 228 BP from a Pokemon with 115 base Special Attack.
foggy lodge
Cress is cooked
It isn't bad lowkey
foggy lodge
Lunar blessing with zama and electric seed with mirai
solid frigate
Lunar blessing with zama and electric seed with mirai
Maxi what are you cooking
foggy lodge
And the interaction of skill swap with zama
stone trellis
Put that shit on a MiraiNala team.
foggy lodge
+1 def to cress and levitate to zama
stone trellis
+1 def to cress and levitate to zama
Gravity Groudon teams otw to finally be useful:
near crag
Farig is just more versatile, but cress is still great in bulkier teams, like that one
foggy lodge
I think it has its niche someone got top 1 on showdown ladder with zama mirai cress pao
shadow wind
Gravity Groudon teams otw to finally be useful:
Bro pblades would do like 20 😭
near crag
Gravity Groudon teams otw to finally be useful:
quash gravity sableye
stone trellis
Bro pblades would do like 20 😭
It almost 2HKOs if Zama has the Defense boost.
stone trellis
"Wow, my Pokemon with base 140 Defense and a free +1 is living a spread move from a Pokemon with no damage multiplier stacking? How pathetic".
shadow wind
It's restricted on restricted battling
And one of them is hitting for super effective
And he loses
You can't tell me that's not slightly irritating
stone trellis
That is what five gens of power creep and losing your strongest form does to somebody.
near crag
Btw, speaking of groudon: https://pokepast.es/61ef6563c26a68a6 (it's really fun to ladder with this, but it super sucks in Bo3)
stone trellis
Do you think Zamazenta is living an Eruption from Primal Groudon?
shadow wind
Wide guard !
dense latch
damn then let’s hope we don’t play each other on ladder then lol
im using that team but volc over lando
stone trellis
Wide guard !
They won't call it.
shadow wind
damn then let’s hope we don’t play each other on ladder then lol
im using tha...
Nah that makes it 10 billion times more workable and fun
dense latch
lowkey don’t like my groudon matchup at all
stone trellis
Zamazenta players never click Wide Guard because they feel like being big boys.
shadow wind
Landorus is like half of that MU
dense latch
yea
shadow wind
lowkey don’t like my groudon matchup at all
That's the point, no one does
stone trellis
Zamazenta players never click Wide Guard because they feel like being big boys.
And then Surging Strikes takes them down to 40% so +3 Glacial Lance KOs.
dense latch
but if i’m gonna have a negative mu let it be groudon
shadow wind
No one plays against him so no one has the MU layed out
shadow wind
but if i’m gonna have a negative mu let it be groudon
Huge strategy of "Ah they'll probably miss"
And it works 😔
foggy lodge
Groudon players gonna find out pblades misses at worlds and I won't be sad
stone trellis
Huge strategy of "Ah they'll probably miss"
My strategy boils down to:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Groudon in Sun on a critical hit: 156-192 (77.2 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Groudon in Sun: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Even if it's slower, it is not living both of these.
shadow wind
Using both teras
Let me know when you find out how to tera twice in one game
And both offensive to tera water
stone trellis
You don't need Tera on either if you want to KO with the double up.
stone trellis
When most Groudons are paired with Miraidon
This is why I have Raichu, Amoonguss and CIR.
shadow wind
😭
stone trellis
Oh right, I forgot.
shadow wind
How long will it take before we learn that EVERY GAME IS DIFFERENT
foggy lodge
Every game is a new chance to miss pblades
stone trellis
Regardless, the point is that I have a good matchup into Groudon.
shadow wind
Exactly !
shadow wind
Regardless, the point is that I have a good matchup into Groudon.
Congrats?
stone trellis
Every game is a new chance to miss pblades
Or High Horsepower.
stone trellis
Or High Horsepower.
God, I want to rip my hair out whenever that happens.
shadow wind
Just don't put yourself in a situation where you have to click high horsepower
Very realistic I know
stone trellis
Anyway, I had the really funny idea that, if I need Raichu to get a +1 in order to KO, I could use Thunder with Kyogre into it.
shadow wind
Excuse me?
foggy lodge
what
stone trellis
That was out of pocket, nevermind.
stone trellis
Imagine forfeiting because you missed a move.
shadow wind
Was almost better for them because my Ogerpon is extremely slow
Cause I know for sure that their Kyogre outsped my Ogerpon
stone trellis
Hey Conner, should I change anything?
https://pokepast.es/32d79453d4744ccb
shadow wind
Weren't you going to change the Urshifu to band?
shadow wind
Nice
stone trellis
Anything else?
shadow wind
Looks pretty solid to me
stone trellis
Any bad MUs?
shadow wind
Looks like it might struggle against Whimsicott sun but that's about it
stone trellis
Got it.
shadow wind
No testing on showdown?
stone trellis
I never do that, but sure.
shadow wind
Psych up Lugia
😔
I actually like playing against these teams
Heat crash doing double damage is great
foggy lodge
Imagine forfeiting because you missed a move.
Conner would have negative elo
shadow wind
20% GXE
shadow wind
Even with rain?
stone trellis
I didn't bring rain.
shadow wind
I don't think I've ever left either restricted behind
The 4 G1 wins is weird
Like this is Bo3 guys
stone trellis
I won.
shadow wind
Goat
stone trellis
Jugulis is so GOATed, man.
THEY FORFEITED INSTANTLY 🤣
So this is game 5, I think.
Welp, that went well.
4 wins and 1 loss.
Honestly, not bad at all.
This team is great.
I'll build it tomorrow.
Jugulis has no reason to reach 528 Speed when it's at level 50 bro 😭
shadow wind
That's how I feel with Jumpluff
178 x 4 is not needed
It's like they know how much time they have
molten oasis
My 1000-1700/1800 journey begins today
https://pokepast.es/babe92e68b181f4c and this’ll get me there
molten oasis
I have faith Drago
Ty brother
gentle cragBOT
Ty brother
drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
stone trellis
What is the vision for the Miraidon?
And why is Chien-Pao Adamant instead of Jolly?
shadow wind
Well considering they have scarf Miraidon and Zacian what is Jolly Pao doing for them
And Miraidon is there as a speed check
I run a very similar set and it allows you to not need things like icy wind or tailwind because it's so fast already
stone trellis
I was referring to the 180 Speed.
molten oasis
I don’t miss kills on pao with adamant
stone trellis
Yeah, that makes sense.
shadow wind
Hits 178 yeah
molten oasis
Zacian and pao is the play into the mirror
stone trellis
I want to run Chien-Pao, but there are no teams with it where it really fits my playstyle.
shadow wind
Drago we got mad similar teams
molten oasis
Miraidon is
stone trellis
Hits 178 yeah
molten oasis
Get this, consistent
shadow wind
?
molten oasis
Kyogre fucking isn’t
shadow wind
Neither is Groudon !
molten oasis
And I get a 2 mon fantasy core
shadow wind
Yeah that's pretty handy
molten oasis
Plus Mirai and Zac like similar mons
shadow wind
Athough not very helpful in this meta 😔
molten oasis
It’s alright imo
shadow wind
Water and ghost are just too oppressive
This is my team by the way
Just a lot of similarities
stone trellis
I kind of want to put Cresselia on a team.
shadow wind
Just put in on Zama Miraidon with Ursaluna
molten oasis
What’s also nice about Zac Mirai duo imo
Zacian is a fantastic mon for closing games while Mirai is great for opening games
stone trellis
Just put in on Zama Miraidon with Ursaluna
Wouldn't it be infinitely funnier in a MiraiNala team?
molten oasis
The teams good and I think it can do it
shadow wind
Lunala and Cress would overlap a lot
stone trellis
Oh shit, you're right.
shadow wind
Both can function next to Ursaluna which would just cause both wanting to be out on the field
stone trellis
Why Zamazenta though? For the Wide Guard?
shadow wind
Zama is pretty splashable and I imagine Zama next to Cress is really annoying
shadow wind
Then go Ho oh
shadow wind
We LOVE stall !!!!
stone trellis
I first got to MB with Leech Seed CIR.
I was born for this shit.
What moves should Cress have?
Obviously Lunar Dance and Moonblast/Psychic.
Maybe Ally Switch?
molten oasis
Ally switch is an evil move
stone trellis
So should I use it?
stone trellis
So what should I have instead?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
Helping hand, trick room, icy wind/twave
molten oasis
Uhhh
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
Steel, dark, fairy
stone trellis
Fairy seems like the most obvious one.
molten oasis
Water could also be fine
stone trellis
Should Miraidon be Scarf or AV?
Should I keep the AV for Iron Hands so I can have a Trick Room mode?
foggy lodge
178 x 4 is not needed
712 speed💀
I remember I used my Jumpluff to outspeed adamant unburden sneasler
Only to find 0 sneaslers whe I played that team
(it was in reg G)
stone trellis
Alright, I found a spread for Cresselia that allows it to live:
- Specs Electro Drift from max Special Attack Modest Miraidon
- Astral Barrage from max Special Attack Life Orb CSR
- Flare Blitz from Adamant Life Orb Koraidon in the sun
- Water Spout from max Special Attack Modest Mystic Water Kyogre (68,75% of the time)
- Surging Strikes from Tera Water max Attack Adamant Urshifu
Oh, and Facade from max Attack Ursaluna with Guts active.
Jesus, this thing is a beast.
It's 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD with either a Bold or a Relaxed Nature.
It also lives both Dark Pulse and sun-boosted Overheat from Modest Scarf Chi-Yu.
And Tera Stellar Crunch from Sash Chien-Pao or normal Crunch from Life Orb Chien.
molten oasis
And Tera Stellar Crunch from Sash Chien-Pao or normal Crunch from Life Orb Chien...
Adamant stellar?
That’s what it usually is
stone trellis
It lives 93.75% of the time.
So in short, literally none of all the big attacks have a shot at KOing it in one hit.
Except for Tera Fire Chi-Yu in the sun.
Should it be Bold or Relaxed?
shadow wind
Scarf works if you don’t have TW
stone trellis
Alright.
bold geode
I heard Zama Cress talk
shadow wind
Sleeper agent
bold geode
For all the wrong reasons 
Few know
Of the forbidden Zama Cress tech
|| Skill Swap ||
shadow wind
😭
bold geode
It is a bullshit tech
But it is decently effective
stone trellis
I kind of want to run that, but I'm not sure.
foggy lodge
|| Skill Swap ||
That's what I said lol
bold geode
Idea is you can give Zam Levitate
hexed wolf
Hi guys I was thinking of making a competitive team what do you think
shadow wind
Average team in my builder
hexed wolf
I have to find the other three shiny Magikarp tho
stone trellis
Hi guys I was thinking of making a competitive team what do you think
Mogs the average Groudon team.
atomic mural
Hi guys I was thinking of making a competitive team what do you think
dude why would you spoil such a good team
hexed wolf
dude why would you spoil such a good team
Huh?
This team don't get better whatchu mean
Everyone gonna be using it next tournament just you wait
shadow wind
Yeah so why would you leak it
hexed wolf
Yeah so why would you leak it
Everyone needs to know just how good this is bro
stone trellis
New Reg I tier list just dropped. Is this a banger?
shadow wind
That B tier has some stinkers
stone trellis
Like what, Mewtwo?
shadow wind
And dialga
dense latch
mewtwo and “good” should never be together
hexed wolf
New Reg I tier list just dropped. Is this a banger?
Put cosmoem and cosmog in S
dense latch
would probably drop the last 4 restricted in b tier into c tier
shadow wind
And Eternatus should be higher
dense latch
also don’t think zama is at the level of the calyrexes and mirai
stone trellis
also don’t think zama is at the level of the calyrexes and mirai
Definitely not.
shadow wind
Zacian is not on par with Lunala
dense latch
if there was an A- tier maybe that’d be where Zacian stays
shadow wind
Yup
stone trellis
I'll make one myself tomorrow.
shadow wind
Cause it has won stuff
dense latch
it’s like in the very very bottom of A
dense latch
woah nice
stone trellis
I'll make one myself tomorrow.
Can we all agree that Miraidon and both of Calyrex's forms are guaranteed S tiers?
dense latch
i hope you get to 80 gxe unlike my choke
shadow wind
I might be done for now
stone trellis
Also what's going on
"Let's go gambling!"
"I CAN'T STOP WINNING!"
shadow wind
14-0 is very high for me
And for the first time ever
Miraidon didn't come to a game
stone trellis
Cool.
foggy lodge
New Reg I tier list just dropped. Is this a banger?
what is the point of b tier tbh
stone trellis
what is the point of b tier tbh
Don't ask me, ask the guy who made it.
foggy lodge
Every good team has one of the top 8 mons xd
shadow wind
I'm so happy that Groudon made top 10 cut instead of Terapagos
stone trellis
It's crazy seeing Terapagos go from a big menace in Reg G to a burger flipper in Reg I.
shadow wind
Even if I know it isn't real 😔
shadow wind
It's crazy seeing Terapagos go from a big menace in Reg G to a burger flipper in...
Big menace?
Terapagos has BEEN on fraud watch
foggy lodge
Pagos was good but not crazy like mirai in reg G
stone trellis
If only they made it so Tera Shell works for the first hit of an attack only.
Then Surging Strikes truly would KO everything that's not Walking Wake, Wellspring Ogerpon or Gastrodon.
foggy lodge
Eseed pagos mirai is probably the only usable pagos team
shadow wind
Average Groudon stat sheet
foggy lodge
86% wr against CIR is crazy
bold geode
New Reg I tier list just dropped. Is this a banger?
Is this from a video or you
shadow wind
28 games in total
stone trellis
Is this from a video or you
It's from a video.
bold geode
Ah
Imma not comment on it
Doesn't look too bad and like
Tier lists do have opinion sprinkled in
stone trellis
Don't put Groudon in S tier.
stone trellis
You will be punished with having to play 50 games of CSR-Zama slop if you do it.
stone trellis
The rest seems pretty well organised.
shadow wind
I'd say Zama is better than Koraidon
But that's now looking at it and realizing I forgot
atomic mural
Is this from a video or you
i think that tier list is from THATSAPLUSONE
stone trellis
It is.
stone trellis
So are the Calyrex forms placed randomly because you think they're equal or...?
shadow wind
I think ice is more consistent but shadow is overall stronger as a mon
So I guess yeah I put them as fairly equal
stone trellis
Fair.
foggy lodge
shadow wind
If I had to go top 3 in order it'd be
- Miraidon
- Calyrex Ice
- Calyex Shadow
Why is Groudon CIR above Groudon Miraidon 😔
shadow wind
Where
foggy lodge
Mainly is just a fusion of the sun gang and CIR lol
shadow wind
Can I get some examples?
foggy lodge
I think Giovanni Cishke's team is broken
I've seen people playing it
Also the Groudon CIR core Shiliang and Suica were playing
foggy lodge
I'm not sure if its CIR rn but some time ago they used av groudon with cir
Av is super good against Zama CSR teams
shadow wind
Don't worry I know
stone trellis
So is it inconsistent?
shadow wind
What kinda question is that
foggy lodge
I think Ogre is a fraud
foggy lodge
Maybe
But I think the meta is super rough for it rn
Groudon, Koraidon, Wellspring, Miraidon
stone trellis
I think people aren't using it right
Choice Specs?
shadow wind
AV Kyogre 🙏
molten oasis
Kyogre felt like a weak spot just, idk im not feeling what I have rn
Like it’s doing fine but the feel isn’t there
foggy lodge
Av or mystic water
molten oasis
hm
that or I should pivot to specs gleam, I want spread
Which is why I’m considering it
foggy lodge
You could try the av tera fairy mirai w chi yu stuff
The only thing is that Chi-Yu needs the sash there
molten oasis
But then no cat
And the cat is the mvp of my team lol
Sorry, leopard
Don’t wanna get ir confused for incin
molten oasis
Like I think Zac pao is, very strong
But playing ogre is miserable so I just, idk lol
shadow wind
Word
foggy lodge
Mirai is better
Could try the double terrain stuff again
I like mirai rilla
But you need the set up mon which is likely Volcarona
I think riopaser cracked the teams of mirai rilla
solid frigate
mewtwo being the same tier as Eternatus is something else
foggy lodge
And Justin Knox cracked the ones that aren't Zama pao stuff lol
shadow wind
mewtwo being the same tier as Eternatus is something else
Mewtwo has stuff he's just super outclassed
But yeah it probably should be down a tier
Eternatus lowkey has sauce
stone trellis
Eternatus has the stats and the typing to back itself up.
shadow wind
Eternatus?
stone trellis
All it needs is a great ability and it'll be cooking.
shadow wind
Not even a great ability
foggy lodge
Give it levitate and it can be meta threat
shadow wind
Just not pressure
stone trellis
Imagine if it had something like Corrosion.
foggy lodge
And even then pressure isn't that bad
shadow wind
Adaptability !
foggy lodge
You know the abysmal MU that pagos balance was vs Eternatus
shadow wind
Like Dragalge
stone trellis
Imagine if it had something like Corrosion.
Or, better yet, an ability that allows its Poison moves to hit Steel types.
shadow wind
That would've been cool in tandem with the dogs
stone trellis
Or, better yet, an ability that allows its Poison moves to hit Steel types.
So it won't get completely walled by Zamazenta.
foggy lodge
Volcarona!
shadow wind
We love Volcarona
stone trellis
And Bolt.
foggy lodge
Eternatus almost won an special event in reg G
stone trellis
We love Volcarona
Volcarona has the same thing as Dragonite, where power creep made it BETTER over time.
shadow wind
Wait Drago could you send the team again
molten oasis
On one hand, if they don’t have a lot of speed control this feels fine
If they DO I’m at a disadvantage
I also kinda wanna play Zac pao shifu, they have strong synergy offensively and defensively imo
stone trellis
Water Urshifu, right?
Man, I just remembered that I never finished cooking up that team with Cresselia.
foggy lodge
4 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Behemoth Bash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 69-82 (32 - 38.1%) -- 95.3% chance to 3HKO
Both wall each other lmao
stone trellis
4 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Behemoth Bash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 69-82 (32 - 38...
This is what 140 HP and 95 Defense does to a man.
stone trellis
Man, I just remembered that I never finished cooking up that team with Cresselia...
I still need a TR abuser.
Should I go with Iron Hands since I already have Electric Terrain up?
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/c44fe3ba51f22f89
Are there any major issues you're having?
Like any super bad MUs that you just can't beat
And stopping here