competitive_discussion

[glad tulip]

Smeargle and maushold to masterball sounds funnyyy

[foggy lodge]

Ursaluna

[left bobcat]

Incin

[molten oasis]

incin grimmsnarl/whimsicott shifu ursaluna

[left bobcat]

Electric seed Lunala

[lost sun]

hands?

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/65f85b2ef5df9e88

[foggy lodge]

Hands can be used I played a variant of mirainala w it

[dense latch]

hands is falling off recently

[left bobcat]

Ermmm what? Hands uses electric seed now? (I haven’t played in a while)

[molten oasis]

hands is what now?

[forest arrow]

Here’s Luca Paz’s Milwaukee team

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

at least from what i'm seeing

[molten oasis]

I DONT KNOW MAN

when i get on cart i just get nervous

[dense latch]

cir mirai has been dropping it, mirai lunala teams never really used it

[foggy lodge]

The evil astral barrage is gonna break the screen and absorb you to the distorsion worlds

[molten oasis]

hands does feel the weakest on my mirai zama team im playing

[lost sun]

what's that incin trying to survive an Ursa facade or smth

[forest arrow]

Mirai Nala teams always had Ursaluna, Urshifu

[dense latch]

i feel that

[rustic mountain]

its the same game man, just have confidence in urself

[foggy lodge]

Body press

Zama b press

[rustic mountain]

also nerves are fine

[dense latch]

the music and the slower turns makes me feel like there's higher stakes

idk why my brain works like that but it does

[rustic mountain]

its how u deal w/ them that matters

[lost sun]

do I have to trade an Ursa from la or can I get one in sv

[rustic mountain]

i always find after my first game, win or loss the nerves calm down

[left bobcat]

La?

[dense latch]

legends arceus

[molten oasis]

i think i tend to ignore them and focus on thinking about my positioning

which, i think i've gotten really good at this format

[left bobcat]

Oh myb it’s been a minute I thought u meant Los Angeles

[rustic mountain]

if u can ignore them, cart shouldnt be a problem then right?

[molten oasis]

maybe its cuz i play zacian

[molten oasis]

idk, it just does

[dense latch]

los angeles ursaluna regional form confirmed

[rustic mountain]

how would he trade an ursaluna out of la

[molten oasis]

but it's also been like, a year since i've played and grinded on cart

[rustic mountain]

as in los angeles

[molten oasis]

i have found a little more appreciation in tera now playing a mega format for a bit

[lost sun]

buy a switch from a guy in la

[molten oasis]

idk if like megas lol

[forest arrow]

Nah that mega format was so fun to play

[dense latch]

i just got this recommendation on youtube this seeing "incineroar breaks into vgc" makes this feel like ancient scrolls

[rustic mountain]

o u been doin 2018?

[molten oasis]

vgc2018? idk

[forest arrow]

Kanga such a goat

[left bobcat]

I said it’s been a minute cut me some slack

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

a little bit, i think the abundance of incin and lando is kinda annoying

[left bobcat]

Pokemon go?

[forest arrow]

I was playing Chalk

[molten oasis]

its hard to play physical megas

i do really like the ultra beasts and tapus tho

[foggy lodge]

El koffing AIDKDK

[rustic mountain]

oh right u never played w/ tapus or ubs

[left bobcat]

Tapu fini my goat

[molten oasis]

nope

[forest arrow]

I never have either

[molten oasis]

thats my first format with them

which, idk i just dont know if i've found my groove yet

[left bobcat]

My fav GFW core kartana, incin, and Tapu fini

[forest arrow]

Fini goated

[dense latch]

i miss fini

[molten oasis]

i really like fini, kartana's cool

[rustic mountain]

no tapu rilla

[molten oasis]

i wanna use naganadel, i like nihilego

[forest arrow]

Tapu Rilla

[molten oasis]

its like, the megas that are throwing me off

[rustic mountain]

ur throwing u off

[molten oasis]

cuz i 1, dont get any of them, and 2, kinda just dont know what fits my playstyle

[rustic mountain]

yea thats fair

[molten oasis]

tried mence garde and zard y so far

[rustic mountain]

its tough jumping into a pre established format w/ a battle gimmick ur not familiar w.

[molten oasis]

yea

[forest arrow]

I’ve only tried Kanga

Zard looks fun

[molten oasis]

lando with rock slide is the bane of my existence

[forest arrow]

Is mega blastoise shit?

[left bobcat]

How I felt when I played SWSH years later after its release

[molten oasis]

and i was just, not enjoying playing zard. i wish mega luca was better

[rustic mountain]

i have no interest in megas but itll prolly be wat we r playing soon so

[molten oasis]

thats the mega i wanna play in a future format

[foggy lodge]

I think its even worse because a lot of the websites that recopilate results of VGC don't have OTS for the tournaments of that era

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 9: Blastoise-Mega

Type

Water

Abilities

Mega Launcher

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/103/120/135/115/78

Total

630

Base Species

Blastoise

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

i found one playing but, i think is pretty shit

[left bobcat]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm eh

[foggy lodge]

So its like you depend on playing ladder by yourself or that a player from that time teaches you about it

[left bobcat]

It’s pretty meh

[forest arrow]

Damn my fav starter gotta be ass

[foggy lodge]

I think mega blastoise was on wolfey's worse megas video lol

[molten oasis]

my advantage of being a fast learner is helping but

[left bobcat]

Like a good majority of the Megas it’s was just meh

[molten oasis]

idk what mega's work for me

[solid frigate]

its aight but positioning to use Spout is more annoying than Kyogre

[rustic mountain]

and u still havent learned to drop mid (zacian)

[molten oasis]

tree

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

thats an active choice, and zacian is a mon im confortable with

i think comfortability is valuable

i play better with it than most of the top threats rn

[left bobcat]

Rayquaza, kangaskhan, Mawile, Salamance

Busted

[molten oasis]

vgc2018 no primals

[forest arrow]

I’m not using a croissant I’m sorry

[rustic mountain]

i thought it was funny u know im (mostly) kidding i get it somewhat i think we just view and play the game differently which is fine

[foggy lodge]

I can play pre leech seed cir on 2018 btw!!!

I want to try Celesteela

[molten oasis]

yea, i understand like

yes i should play the meta

[solid frigate]

throw this is the last time we talking about French Mega Mence

[molten oasis]

but i generally just look for something i find playing to be fun

[forest arrow]

Celesteela oh god

[solid frigate]

nothing a tapu koko can't fix

[rustic mountain]

not even that, ive told u before, i think ur just very stubborn w/ it being ur way only throughout a lot of it where even if a off meta zacian team came out right now, u wouldnt play it cuz u didnt come up with all of the pieces

or if u did play it, itd b like for a second

[molten oasis]

WHAT! ah, NO! that's not true, liar!

[bold geode]

Oh
@rustic mountain Cybertron vid up
Ya boy is one of the games
Shit dropped on my bday, absolute cinema

[foggy lodge]

I like playing different stuff

[molten oasis]

you're right

[foggy lodge]

I think its better for me to learn about the game idk

[molten oasis]

tbf last format i just didn't like playing regidrago

[dense latch]

which one are you? that's sick

[molten oasis]

that mon felt really weird to pivot

[foggy lodge]

I miss Regidrago

[left bobcat]

Eh really forgettable

[bold geode]

Game 4

[foggy lodge]

I miss when people would have to put tera fairies on their teams to not insta lose against it lmao

[rustic mountain]

thats fine but like, u know wat im saying and even then like ur choices are ur choices im just noting what i observe

[molten oasis]

i get it

[rustic mountain]

but yea im glad ur finding decent enough success w/ it this format

[molten oasis]

although i lowkey think it was better last format, yea

harder to slot mostly

[bold geode]

Can I just say
Watching my vid, my character do have the drip

[molten oasis]

and more incin this format blows

i wonder if its just from a point of being better at the game, cuz i've been farming with the zama mirai team i've been playing

[bold geode]

[forest arrow]

I mean no incin you’d still be dealing with Lando

If you think about it

[molten oasis]

ok lando aint that bad

[rustic mountain]

nd just to clarify again like, i dont want u to think im ever advocating against not playing meta, i am totally fine with ppl choosing that but ive explained before not forcing things and the choices making sense in the overall picture of the meta outside just hey i like this mon and im gna run it which again is fine but like it also is a trade off in that regard for consistency in most cases

[molten oasis]

zac can nuke lando

[bold geode]

Therian

[molten oasis]

whos playing therian lando

[molten oasis]

yea for sure

[bold geode]

If there was no Incin, eh

[forest arrow]

If there was no incin

[molten oasis]

remember when there was no incin

and lando t was in the meta, and HARC took over

[foggy lodge]

If there was no incin

[rustic mountain]

harc was on a generational run

[bold geode]

I miss when Harc took over

[forest arrow]

Harc was so fun

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

lowkey, think harc would be better

[forest arrow]

Miss those days

[molten oasis]

i think lando's damage output is kinda lackluster

[bold geode]

Actually
Bitches no one can say shit
Both times I played Harc it wasn't considered to be the best
I knew the power my dog had

[foggy lodge]

I like regular arcanine better he doesn't miss moves

[molten oasis]

it struggles to ohko miraidon

like thats embarrassing

[bold geode]

Misses Will O Wisp

[rustic mountain]

but no chance for rock slide flinch

[foggy lodge]

Shit i forgot

I used regular arc in reg H

[molten oasis]

if lando had HHP

[rustic mountain]

rng giveth and taketh

[foggy lodge]

Mirror herb Arcanine

[molten oasis]

i think it be better, but it doesn't

i just dont think stomping tantrum is enough

[glad tulip]

Found kyogre in max raid

Prayy for me I need this

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Should I change my character's drip hmm

Nah

[molten oasis]

idk, i think in a mega format i'll find the one i actually really like

[rustic mountain]

if only zacian got a mega

[bold geode]

Mega Gengar

[molten oasis]

and get very good with it, that simply hasn't happened for vgc2018

[molten oasis]

zacian kinda is a mega

[foggy lodge]

Oh I need megas back in vgc

[molten oasis]

requires and item to shift forms, stays in that form all battle

[bold geode]

Mega Incineroar

[foggy lodge]

I need to see Wolfey playing Mega Gengar at a regional

[bold geode]

Intimidate does two attack drops

[molten oasis]

i lowkey see zama and zac as mini megas

[glad tulip]

Csr needs a mega

[molten oasis]

no the fuck it does not

[bold geode]

[foggy lodge]

Mega CIR

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-slap-gif-18215727

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

same stats as regular CIR but now it has 150 speed

[forest arrow]

No thanks

[molten oasis]

am i wrong? like i feel like it kinda is

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/115/80/115/138

Total

660

Other Formes

Zacian-Crowned

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

way less stat points to increase, hence mini mega

[foggy lodge]

It had +60 stats before

[molten oasis]

i want 170 attack zac back thx

[foggy lodge]

No thanks

[molten oasis]

incin exists it'll be fine

[molten oasis]

zac would be in the same place WITH that i think

incin still really sucks for it

[foggy lodge]

Absolutely not

[molten oasis]

you think it would be meta? fine by me

[dense latch]

we should nerf zacian a bit more

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

YES

[dense latch]

just to make sure

[molten oasis]

zac does not need more nerfs

[rustic mountain]

zacian if ever theres a dmax format again will b good

[molten oasis]

well, yea

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

would be cool if they changed behemoth's secondary effect

[atomic mural]

90% accurate behemoth blade 🔥

[molten oasis]

dont love my dog is best in a shit mechanic format

at least when i played, it was kinda shit

[foggy lodge]

Are we ready for Xerneas meta again btw

[molten oasis]

MY ONE NICHE FOR ZACIAN

[forest arrow]

I’ve never played it

So bring it on

[rustic mountain]

xerneas w/o tera is annoying but manageable

if we ever have xern w/ tera, fear

[molten oasis]

it'll happen

and it'll be the top mon in the format

[rustic mountain]

yea

maybe

[tiny karma]

Move: Geomancy

Raises the user's Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed by 2 stages. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

crazy move

[forest arrow]

Damn

[molten oasis]

although i think i'd like xern

i like bulky set up mons

[dense latch]

dmax was not nice to it at all tho so if that comes back in champions idk how it'd fair

[cyan smelt]

When xern comes back haze murkrow will become meta again

[dense latch]

i liked using xern in series 10

[rustic mountain]

u after ur 817639th xerneas mirror:

[molten oasis]

nah crowbat will be meta

[forest arrow]

A stronger Quiver dance

[molten oasis]

ok yea thats cuz mirrors fucking suck

[cyan smelt]

I miss crobat tbh

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/DesuVGC/status/1941536944187637971

Dave Cognetta デス (@DesuVGC)

Remember these guys? This is them now. Feel old yet? ❤️‍🩹

X · Jul 5, 2025, 4:37 PM

[rustic mountain]

well yea but ud be opting into them

[molten oasis]

time to play zacian anyway

[forest arrow]

Is that when smeargle had dark void?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[molten oasis]

and be forced into kyogre

[forest arrow]

Smeargle isn’t that bad without it

I’d like to keep it that way

[cyan smelt]

People ran crafty shield smeargle just to deal with dark void smeargle

[molten oasis]

wild

[rustic mountain]

remember too like, dark void was nerfed and taken off smeargles kit, it used to have higher accuracy

[molten oasis]

darkrai got nerfed for smeargles crimes

[forest arrow]

True

[rustic mountain]

so double nerf in a way to smeargle

and yea a nerf to darkrai that kinda doesnt matter

[dense latch]

just kill smeargle already

[molten oasis]

still

[forest arrow]

Can’t use mythical anyways but yeah a nerf

[dense latch]

retcon it

if we all forget smeargle is a thing did it ever really exist

[molten oasis]

i wonder how zac would do in a primals format

[foggy lodge]

Umbra created such a broken team in this reg

[molten oasis]

probably not well

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-rapid-strike-surging-strike-pokemon-tower-of-waters-gif-23032736

Me when I see smeargle

Clapped

[molten oasis]

man i went back to play reg i because i missed shifu playing vgc2018 lol

[rustic mountain]

ik some comp ppl that think it just should be banned from comp, cuz u cant just change its toolkit or having it as a mon but banning it seems reasonable. also to me like smeargles fine, its stats suck so badly i think it offsets its very broken movepool

[foggy lodge]

Smeargle is fine

[bold geode]

Looking at it
Apparently Markus Stadter made it
(I know his last name is different now but idr what)

[foggy lodge]

Doesn't make it less annoying tho

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Its the definition of 50/50 mon

[dense latch]

yea this is what pisses me off

[foggy lodge]

Will it spore fake out follow me or decorate

[rustic mountain]

ots is great for it otherwise yea that guys a bit of a nightmare in some cases

[molten oasis]

smeargle is fine just annoying

[foggy lodge]

And you have to find a way to not instantly lose to one of them

[bold geode]

I used Smeargle Pagos recently
Shit was funny as hell

[rustic mountain]

i think its honestly a vibe check most times, if ur skill/team cant handle smeargle u might need to rethink ur comp/approach

doesnt mean u wont still lose to it but overall

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

You have to find ways against it

[atomic mural]

i havent been paying attention to the reg I meta since NAIC so im just curious what IS the meta?

[molten oasis]

i wonder if i could get mega luca to work in the 2018 format with fini

or milotic

[foggy lodge]

Mirai Nala, Zama CSR, Mirai CIR, Mirai Zama and Korai CSR

P much just that

[atomic mural]

alr

thanks

[molten oasis]

oh go go gadget hidden power ice koko

[forest arrow]

It’s just the point you brought up of it being the old inner focus

[molten oasis]

yea

but i also saw that luca can ohko incin at -1

[forest arrow]

Then fuck it we ball

Just need a zard mu

[molten oasis]

hm

lando, rock slide the mf

[forest arrow]

For sure

[molten oasis]

lemme look at the builder

[molten oasis]

oh

could do nihilego too

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 793: Nihilego

Types

Rock/Poison

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

109/53/47/127/131/103

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

Its bulkier than flutter mane damn

[shadow wind]

Pretty low bar there

[molten oasis]

lmao

[tiny karma]

Nihilego's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bind, Body Slam, Brutal Swing, Constrict, Cross Poison, Facade, Foul Play, Frustration, Gunk Shot, Head Smash, Headbutt, Iron Head, Knock Off, Poison Jab, Pound, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Wrap, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Acid, Acid Spray, Charge Beam, Clear Smog, Dazzling Gleam, Echoed Voice, Grass Knot, Hex, Hidden Power, Meteor Beam, Mirror Coat, Power Gem, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Venoshock

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Confide, Corrosive Gas, Double Team, Endure, Guard Split, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Pain Split, Power Split, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Spite, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Swagger, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Trick Room, Venom Drench, Wonder Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Nihilego.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[forest arrow]

Yeah not bad option

[shadow wind]

I miss the UBs

Stakataka 😔

I miss you my glorious king

Alola was just a goated generation huh

[forest arrow]

I never got to play that format

But you can play it rn on SD

[molten oasis]

so, luca, nihilego, fini, hm

[shadow wind]

What's it called?

[molten oasis]

vgc2018

[shadow wind]

Thanks

[molten oasis]

should probably finish fantasy core

[forest arrow]

Hmmm

[molten oasis]

of the like, good dragons theres, salamence, and, kommo-o

naganadel is ok

[left bobcat]

Are we talking about dragons?

[forest arrow]

Kommo o gets the z move

[left bobcat]

Garchomp

[molten oasis]

cooking for vgc2018

[left bobcat]

Oh-

[molten oasis]

i havent seen a single garchomp

[glad tulip]

Bro what the hell why aient maushold and ditto giving me babies

[forest arrow]

It takes awhile or use Egg power sandwich

[glad tulip]

Ughhhhhhhh

Bring back the daycare pls I beg

[left bobcat]

It takes that long for eggs?

[molten oasis]

kommonium z is cool but we have a fighting type already

and tapus being common sucks

[left bobcat]

Why not just use the banana peanut butter and butter sandwich recipe

[forest arrow]

Mence it is then?

[molten oasis]

i guess

[forest arrow]

Egg power 2 works wonders on picnic

[molten oasis]

2 megas ig

[left bobcat]

Well actually idk if butter is an ingredient I haven’t bred eggs in long time

[forest arrow]

It’s just Naganadel is poison

[left bobcat]

All I know is banana and peanut butter is part of the ingredients

[glad tulip]

Whats the egg sandwich

I Need it im desperate

Fpund it

Put 3 bananas on that sandwich, what is my character tasting bruh the banana was only in the middle😭 😭 😭 😭

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

There's also a place in the city where you change teras that sells something that gives you egg power 2

[forest arrow]

Support mons?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/6bd7a5e7114fc2ba

probably

[forest arrow]

Was looking at follow me

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/ff5cef766d81d282 need some help with my matchup vs fedecampo's team, ursa is too oppresive under tr

[forest arrow]

Really only got clef and togekiss

Or Amoongus but Fini

[dense latch]

i've been trying mirai incin cir amoong against a friend to try and limit how much ursa can get done in tr, it worked but idk if it's the strongest line i have

[molten oasis]

theres amoonguss

thats it lol, and honestly the mon is ok with just being a redirector

got rolled by one

incin would be fine probably

[forest arrow]

Was thinking incin too

can’t go wrong with incin Amoongus

[molten oasis]

idk im wondering if we go something else

hm

maybe kartana

[left bobcat]

Ooo more offense

[near crag]

What y'all think is a good dedicated answer to TR? Got a slot left on a swordfish team, and I don't really need amoonguss

[bold geode]

Amoonguss

[near crag]

I'm running smeargle, so I don't really need spore and more redirection

[bold geode]

Well what do you have

I also like
Idk, idt Smeargle is that good for that duo

[near crag]

I've been just trying to experiment with anything, but decorate's been feeling great

Also makes me not really need to use amoonguss, even though it has way better typing

[bold geode]

Do you have something against Amoonguss?

[foggy lodge]

Iron Hands

[dense latch]

run taunt

will either prevent tr or make it more inconvenient for your opponent to set it up

[next lynx]

For my whimsicott should I run taunt? I got encore, light screen, tailwind and moon blast rn

[near crag]

Mainly torn, and tera grass ogre, so not really

[near crag]

I was, but been seeing a lot of mental herb lunala lately

[dense latch]

what kind of sociopath runs mental herb lunala

[near crag]

i guess a lot of them

[next lynx]

Legit seen that today

[dense latch]

i wouldnt worry abt mental herb lunala if i were you

[next lynx]

Yeah no it does nothing really

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/6a0bd3413321a9a5 progress, mence feels like dead weight, and im kinda unsure on amoonguss

[waxen dock]

Can you send your team?

[near crag]

Rn it's just zacian kyogre, with torn and smeargle

here https://pokepast.es/1c55586d2f9e2c23

[ocean pawn]

gave up on ev's
https://pokepast.es/e341ee6054a51947

[stone trellis]

Should Lando be Tera Steel or Tera Poison?

[stone trellis]

What does this have to do with competitive?

[real prairie]

Breeding mons is done for competitive

Also i know there are peeps in here that would appreciate it so i shared

[waxen dock]

Its not

Ita for shiny hunters

[real prairie]

People breed for specific IV mons

[waxen dock]

I f?

[old pumice]

Also can be used for Competitive

[waxen dock]

What is if

[real prairie]

a typo lol

[stone trellis]

I think he means IV.

[real prairie]

IV*

[waxen dock]

You can ust bottle csps

[real prairie]

not for 0 IV mons

[stone trellis]

You just have to gamble for those.

[old pumice]

That's mainly why people breed is for specific ivs

[chrome knot]

pokemon has gone so woke that breeding can only be used for shiny hunting

@real prairie i hope you’re ready to catch all your 0atk0spe mons

[waxen dock]

i made top 500 in showdown with both my main account and my alt

[next stump]

congrats 😄

[bold geode]

Damn, the woke agenda has ruined my Pokemon games /j

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/fe34fcdded041dc3

I think the team is finally ready.

[chrome knot]

why does clam cir have like 0atk invest

also av incin mostly wants to be adamant

other than that it’s fine

[stone trellis]

I was torn between Amulet and Leftovers.

But I can't go above 60 in Attack since Specs Miraidon is still very much relevant.

[chrome knot]

you have redirection fo & a switch in thats immunity

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 132 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider in Electric Terrain: 165-195 (79.7 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252/116/4/0/132/4

[stone trellis]

Most of the Specs Miraidon run Modest, don't they?

[chrome knot]

no theyre timid

[stone trellis]

That explains why they never end up doing anything close to 90%.

Thanks for the info though.

Damn, even Modest only KOs 19% of the time.

[chrome knot]

yeah & @ 116 youre still doing decent damage

[stone trellis]

Even 44 was kicking ass because it's ADAMANT CIR.

[dense latch]

i don't think 196 SpDef is worth it

speaking from experience from using that team with 116 adamant cir

good enough positioning with incin and amoonguss is your miraidon resistance

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

And Scarf Miraidon with Snarl also helps quite a bit.

[dense latch]

yea unless it's a 1v1 endgame between cir and miraidon there's no reason you should be taking full damage from a specs drift/draco

between incin fake out and knock off, rage powder and snarl you should be set

[chrome knot]

not to mention… a whole landorus but

[stone trellis]

Actually, Scarf Miraidon is so GOATed with the sauce that it can make Kyogre not OHKO Tera Fire CIR with Water Spout.

If it's Tera Grass, Snarl still puts it low enough to prevent a KO.

[dense latch]

yea especially lando idk why i didnt list that there

[stone trellis]

Speaking of Lando, I still don't know if it should be Tera Poison or Steel.

[bold geode]

Landorus when it switches in to a whole ass Draco

[stone trellis]

It's still a 50/50.

[chrome knot]

thats ok miraidon is -2 now and cir is free to setup to win the game now

[stone trellis]

I don't know if the team has any particularly bad matchups.

[bold geode]

Lol
Thx for the sacrifice Lando 🫡

[dense latch]

mdb has said zacian ogre is a bit tricky, not a horrible matchup but slightly disadvantageous

part of what makes the team so good is that it matches up neutrally into almost the entire meta

[chrome knot]

terapagos mirai volc apparently

[dense latch]

lol

[stone trellis]

Volcarona when it's facing +3 Tera Fire CIR and AV Incineroar:

[chrome knot]

oh its meteor beam pagos thats rly funny

[polar canyon]

That top 8 is really funny to look at

Hey do we actually have any news on that vgc mobile game

I feel like we haven't heard of it ever since it got announced

[stone trellis]

The rental code for my team is MYB4MD.

[next stump]

we dont have any news but we will get news (hopefully) during the pokemon presents in like 2 weeks

july 21st? 22nd? something like that

[stone trellis]

I called it "GRWMTWW" because "Get ready with me to win Worlds" was way too long.

[stone trellis]

22nd.

I won my first match in four turns.

They had a Koraidon-Lunala team.

They led Koraidon and Flutter Mane, while I led Miraidon and Calyrex.

I switched Miraidon out into Incineroar and Terastallised Calyrex into Fire, clicking Trick Room.

[next stump]

very solid defensive play, did they icy wind + tera fire?

[stone trellis]

They went Moonblast into the Miraidon slot and Tera Fire Flare Blitz into Calyrex.

I clicked TR because I was expecting Icy Wind, but it honestly did not matter that much.

High Horsepower is so great into Lunala.

I'm currently facing a Miraidon-Rayquaza team.

They've also got Urshifu, Hearthflame Ogerpon, Gouging Fire and Dragapult.

Jesus Christ, Calyrex survived a super effective EQ with Helping Hand and a crit.

From Rayquaza, no less.

[bold geode]

Only based set is Smeargle Specs Pagos

[stone trellis]

Me when Wide Guard + Electric Terrain:

[bold geode]

Me when Earth Power or single target Tera Starstorm

[stone trellis]

Yeah, fair.

I should definitely develop a solid game plan for those kinds of teams in the near future.

[chilly anvil]

Is it hard to get into the master ball league?
I’m struggling

I’m always one game close to it and then I get a losing streak

[next stump]

Hard is subjective

In the grand scheme of VGC accomplishments, it’s not hard

But if you’re newer or don’t play as much, then yes it can absolutely be hard

[chilly anvil]

I’m new to VGC

[next stump]

Are you using a rental team or a team you created?

[chrome knot]

@bold geode wake up, new tweet abt ruby unrelated making life ruining drama about her just dropped

[bold geode]

Oh no

[chilly anvil]

Created

[chrome knot]

@next stump are u using fun mons for worlds rishi looked at me dead in the eyes and showed me a team with mons from gen 8 onwards…

content idea fading bc the people i chose are using archetypes found in only sv😭😭

[bold geode]

Emma can you DM me a link?

[next stump]

I think I’m using a fun team I’ve been on a superrrr VGC break besides playing against friends

[next stump]

Can you send it here? There might be some advice we can give

[chrome knot]

are the mons funnn to obtain or are they all new stuff

[next stump]

definitely a couple older pokemon

as of now

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

heads empty

[chrome knot]

YAY

[next stump]

the team looks pretty solid. Banded Rillaboom is tricky to use compared to something like Assault vest, especially since I’d imagine it’s mostly on the team to help with Miraidon and Kyogre

[shadow wind]

Banded Rilla flow chart is pretty easy

Miraidon on the field? U turn
Kyogre on the field with access to Tera? U turn

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-wood-hammer-pokemon-gif-7274090915577562669

That wood hammer be like

[shadow wind]

Wood hammer is like sneaky golem in clash Royale

It’ll just hang around waiting

[chilly anvil]

Grass Glide to a Kyogre one shot is fun ngl

[chilly anvil]

Can an assault vest Rillaboom do enough damage with a Grassy Glide to one shot a Kyogre?

Or there’s a need for a choice band

[next stump]

grassy glide definitely doesn’t one shot kyogre without a damage boosting item

[chilly anvil]

Oh I see
Being able to threaten an opposing Kyogre is pretty much the only thing that lets me win against those rain teams

[chilly anvil]

Is there a Pokemon I should switch in that team for a Wide Guard Pokemon?

[next stump]

I don't mean this to sound mean at all, but I promise there are other ways to beat rain teams. If you're up against good players, they'll have tools like Grass Tera Kyogre, intimidate, Tsareena, etc. that will all neutralize Rillaboom

There's a reason choice band rillaboom is not a commonly seen Kyogre answer, because there's usually better and more reliable ways to shut down that pokemon

[dense latch]

band rillaboom is slightly better into kyogre but miles worse into everything else

losing out on fake out is big

[molten oasis]

Has anyone here been playing the 2018 format much? I’m kinda stuck

[chilly anvil]

Which ways?

[chilly anvil]

If I switch to assault vest, what should be the optimal EV spread?

[next stump]

Controlling the weather better, baiting out the tera so you can hit it with Ho-Oh/Koraidon/Landorus easier, etc.

It's hard to say without seeing replays because I've never played with those exact 6 before

[dense latch]

my fav way of getting rid of kyogre is just setting up pins

weather wars are always gonna be very positional games so you should also take advantage of that by setting up pins

[next stump]

^^^

[dense latch]

they become easier if you win the weather war since you could do something like wood hammer sacred fire/brave bird into kyogre in sun

[next stump]

and AV Rillaboom + Incineroar creates some of the best positioning opportunities available

[dense latch]

yea double fake out makes switch-ins much safer

[chilly anvil]

Which EVs would you recommend for Rilla tho

Mine is 252 ATK 252 speed but it’s probably not optimal

[next stump]

https://www.munchstats.com/gen9vgc2025regi/1760/Rillaboom

[dense latch]

yea that's not good

you def want max hp imo

[next stump]

most common is 252HP/116ATK and the rest spread between DEF/SpD/SPE

[bold geode]

Ah yes
My sacred texts

[solid frigate]

lol

[rustic mountain]

sounds like av rilla flowchart too

[stone trellis]

This team is fire, man.

I've played four games and I've won all four.

Though the fourth one was won because Glacial Lance got a crit against my opponent's Ting-Lu.

They went for Tera Ghost Shadow Ball with their Flutter Mane, which was redirected into my Amoonguss.

Amoonguss died, but Calyrex outsped Ting-Lu and KO'd both it and Flutter Mane.

From there, it was +3 Calyrex-Ice against Hitmontop.

[molten oasis]

Should play more than 4 to gauge a team

[stone trellis]

I will.

But it feels really good to use.

I think the name "GRWMTWW" wasn't so far off after all.

(It stands for "Get ready with me to win Worlds")

Finally, a CSR-Zama-Smeargle team.

[chilly anvil]

Finally managed to get the master ribbon on my most special Pokemon

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-gif-25269017

[stone trellis]

Maintaining the Ice Rider agenda is our utmost priority.

And now I have a mirror match.

But they have Farigiraf instead of Amoonguss.

And the Miraidon is Specs.

And they forfeited.

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[stone trellis]

Jesus Christ, Tera Stellar Urshifu is a nuclear bomb.

And their Kyogre froze my Miraidon with Ice Beam.

[solid frigate]

i did that a lot of times lmao

[sterile raven]

https://pokepast.es/ce73cafab9e5c373

This is kinda fun honestly.

The only thing that kinda feels eh is the Bolt. I think I'd change that for something else.

I just don't wanna play the same old SRC or IRC teams.

Especially for Pittsburgh

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's fair.

Play Miraidon-Lunala like a baller.

[molten oasis]

Zacian!

[stone trellis]

But not that weird psyspam shit. I mean true MiraiNala.

[sterile raven]

I'm really liking Zacian. He feels really good.

[stone trellis]

I haven't ever tried Zacian (mostly because I do not have it).

But honestly, it's really funny to play against.

[molten oasis]

It’s fun to play

[stone trellis]

I don't know, I just feel like Zacian is missing something.

Maybe that something is clicking a 55 BP non-STAB spread move and getting Lando-T down to 54%.

[sterile raven]

I just go tera stellar.

The moveset I run is pretty solid imo

[stone trellis]

Incineroar loves that.

And so does Koraidon.

[molten oasis]

Yk what incin doesn’t like

Miraidon

[stone trellis]

AV.

[molten oasis]

You play to remove incin so Zac can clean up

[molten oasis]

Yes even then

I’ve played the Mon a lot

You play to remove incin unless you need zacian

[stone trellis]

I wonder if it would have a good matchup into the team I'm using.

[bold geode]

[stone trellis]

Man, I wonder what Scarf Tera Electric E-Drift does to Zacian...

252+ SpA Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 198-234 (117.8 - 139.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[stone trellis]

Even if it could survive that, there's also 148+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 218-257 (129.7 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO.

And 4+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 152-180 (90.4 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO.

So half of my team bullies Zacian.

[solid frigate]

temper the blade

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-kaslana-kebin-standing-here-i-realize-nano-ora-ora-gif-26621939

[molten oasis]

Sir who runs 0 bulk zacian

Most Zac take flare blitz

[stone trellis]

Right, so it's only two members that OHKO.

My apologies, OG.

And Landorus comfortably survives a +1 Behemoth Blade even from max Attack Adamant Zacian.

Man, I love this team so much.

They have a tendency to just... survive when they have no reason to do so.

[craggy dagger]

me

[molten oasis]

You’re zacian is no bulk?

[craggy dagger]

-# i’m kidding btw. i’m using your zac spread lmao

[stone trellis]

Thanks for letting me know.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[stone trellis]

Shut the fuck up, Rotom.

Go give Gen Rep to some bitches.

[stone trellis]

What's the spread?

[chrome knot]

honk shoo

[craggy dagger]

emma emma

look look

[chrome knot]

woaaaa

so cuteee

take a bite….

[craggy dagger]

whaaa-???

[stone trellis]

You people are unhinged.

Anyway, has anyone ever thought of putting Revival Blessing on Smeargle or is it just flat out unable to Sketch it?

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Might be unable to

[stone trellis]

I should check.

Pawmot learns it, right?

[bold geode]

Yeah

You can check it on SD

[stone trellis]

Alright, time to use the BB Academy battles yet again.

[stone trellis]

It's how I always get Smeargle to learn new moves.

[cyan smelt]

If smeargle tries to use tera starstorm, revival blessing, hyperspace fury and some other moves that I can't remember, it fails

[stone trellis]

I need to see if this works.

Give me five minutes.

[bold geode]

But it can Imprison Astral Barrage

[cyan smelt]

Yeah just no dark void or tera starstorm or revival blessing

[craggy dagger]

it can

[stone trellis]

Ralts Droyd can't breathe after all...

[craggy dagger]

pretty sure

[cyan smelt]

It can sketch revival blessing but if it tries to use it it fails

[stone trellis]

Damn it.

[craggy dagger]

oh
that makes sense

kinda like dark void then

[stone trellis]

Imagine this: You've dedicated all your resources on knocking CIR down because it's really good into your team and suddenly, it just fucking comes back.

[craggy dagger]

just run rabsca then

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 954: Rabsca

Types

Bug/Psychic

Abilities

Synchronize, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/50/85/115/100/45

Total

470

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

Rabsca and pawmot kinda suck

[craggy dagger]

it’s a pretty good trick room mon, albeit def not worth

[craggy dagger]

i can see pawmot being like a
very desperate anti miraidon measure with volt absorb

[cyan smelt]

Rabsca explodes to most of the meta

[stone trellis]

I have an anti-Miraidon measure.

[craggy dagger]

i meant as a revival blessing user

[stone trellis]

It's called Calyrex-Ice.

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I get what you mean.

[chrome knot]

take a bite..

[foggy lodge]

https://fixupx.com/UncleLouPKMN/status/1942349585453592903

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[stone trellis]

Is Wolfe going undercover again?

[glad tulip]

I seen some maushold team did good in japan

I kinda wanna try it

[stone trellis]

What was it?

[glad tulip]

Maushold,farafarig,smeargle,kyogre,cir and I think volcarona

Whoever made this hates csr😭

[stone trellis]

I'm sold.

[glad tulip]

I lowkey wanna build it

[stone trellis]

I'll help.

[glad tulip]

Lmfao

U seem awfully invested

I have everything but a glastiar for the team

[stone trellis]

Maintaining the Ice Rider agenda is my utmost priority.

And I already have one, so I can build the team for you and give you a rental code.

[glad tulip]

Aight if I can't find a glastiar I'll gladly take ur rental

[stone trellis]

Add me as a friend so we can discuss the EVs and everything without flooding chat.

[next lynx]

That ice rider reign gotta go

[lost sun]

are these stats good

[ocean pawn]

Idk

What do they accomplish

[lost sun]

they make my grimmsnarl a cir

[stone trellis]

Spoken like a true CSR bot.

[waxen dock]

I think you mixed the mons up

[next lynx]

CSR standing for what again

[stone trellis]

Shadow Rider Calyrex.

[lost sun]

the game mixed the stats up

[next lynx]

Ew no

Both of them gotta go

[stone trellis]

Shadow Rider is worse.

[next lynx]

How

[stone trellis]

CSR just does not need to worry about surviving any attacks and can thus take advantage of its absolutely stellar base 150 Speed to the fullest extent.

Being faster always gives you a more immediate advantage.

And if you knock everyone out immediately, you don't get to lose it.

Also, CIR doesn't have the opportunity to run Swords Dance as setup because it has to set TR for itself.

[chilly anvil]

What is better for Grimisnarl, Spirit Break or Foul Play?

Spirit Break can threat Koraidon if he doesn’t Tera fire, can threat Miraidon and lower special attack of some of those special sweepers (the majority of them don’t run Clear Amulet since there’s no intimidate for special attack)

But Foul Play is a threat to both the horses and can also threaten a Tera fire Koraidon or some of those with high attack stats

[knotty mirage]

Prolly spirit break you will get more value from it

[stone trellis]

Spirit Break is still a threat into CSR.

Especially since a lot of them like to go Tera Dark immediately.

So not only do you deal massive amounts of damage to them, but you also cut their own damage output in half.

Same with Miraidon.

And it also forces Koraidon into burning a Tera earlier than it needs to.

So you can have a pin with Kyogre and Grimmsnarl in rain.

Come to think of it, that's the most devious shit I've ever thought of.

[chilly anvil]

Ain’t a rain enjoyer

[stone trellis]

Well, that is your problem.

[ember linden]

Spirit Break 100% better

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

It is a STAB move which uses Grimmsnarl's already pretty good base 120 Attack.

And it's a fucking Fairy move with a 100% guaranteed positive effect.

You don't need to rely on anyone, you just need to know that the CSR burnt a Tera and Koraidon is defenseless.

[stone trellis]

-1 252 Atk Technician Tera Normal Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 140-180 (69.6 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[left bobcat]

UGHHHHHHHHH why can’t it just 1HKO

[stone trellis]

Because it is intimidated.

[left bobcat]

UGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[stone trellis]

Without that -1, I'm fairly sure that anything that isn't a Ghost type or a Steel type gets OHKO'd.

What's another physically bulky Pokemon?

[dense latch]

252 Atk Technician Tera-Normal Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 180-220 (86.9 - 106.2%) -- 0.02% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

No shit, erik.

That's max HP Ice Rider Calyrex, of course it doesn't die.

[dense latch]

well you asked for a physically bulky pokemon

[left bobcat]

Iron hands

[stone trellis]

That's more like it.

[dense latch]

and calyrex ice is like the eptiome of physical bulk in the regulation

[stone trellis]

252 Atk Technician Tera Normal Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 76 HP / 12 Def Iron Hands: 220-280 (92 - 117.1%) -- approx. 98.8% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

It and Zamazenta.

[stone trellis]

Neither version of Ursaluna fares any better.

252 Atk Technician Tera Normal Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 160-200 (72.7 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Technician Tera Normal Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 140 HP / 44 Def Ursaluna: 220-280 (98.6 - 125.5%) -- approx. 99.6% chance to OHKO (guaranteed OHKO after burn damage)

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-trying-to-not-laugh-speed-holding-laugh-speed-laughing-speed-laugh-gif-242565803459391828

So if this thing ever gets the chance to rip a Pop Bomb, the opponent is screwed.

I have no clue why people use Bite on it other than the flinch chance.

Isn't it 65 BP?

[dense latch]

no

[next stump]

bite is boosted by technician, right?

[dense latch]

60 bp which becomes 90 after technician

[tiny karma]

Move: Bite

Has a 30% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

25 (40)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

Oh shit.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[dense latch]

that's the problem

the format is too strong and too fast for maushold

[stone trellis]

A friend sent me a CIR-Kyogre team with Maushold in it.

It also has Volcarona as a TW setter.

[dense latch]

oh that one japan nats team

[stone trellis]

I know it sounds shit, but it's a CIR team and I have an agenda to maintain.

Fuck, I have to do breeding in order to learn Bite.

[dense latch]

not in scarlet and violet

[stone trellis]

Is it a TM?

[dense latch]

just use a mirror herb, open up a slot on maushold's moveset, and open a picnic with it and a pokemon that has bite

[stone trellis]

Tried it, didn't work.

It needs to be on a Pokemon which also learns Bite as an egg move.

So I need one of these who also know the move.

[next stump]

https://www.serebii.net/attackdex-sv/bite.shtml

teach bite to a pokemon that learns it by level up

I've done that with fake out and it 100% works

[stone trellis]

I tried it with my Dragapult (who knows Bite) and it did not work.

Nevermind, I put the Mirror Herb on Pult.

[dense latch]

lol

[stone trellis]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[dense latch]

all good it's a confusing method at first for sure

[stone trellis]

I want to make a team with Instruct and CIR, but I don't know how to not make it hard TR + psyspam in disguise.

Maybe it could be good with Smeargle.

[molten oasis]

Why?

[stone trellis]

Because it's really funny to see someone get their team obliterated by two +1 High Horsepowers.

Or a +1 and a +2 back to back, doesn't matter.

And as for why I don't want to use Oranguru, it's because I hate hard TR and having half my team be weak to Dark (and Ghost in some cases).

[dense latch]

why not just use decorate

[stone trellis]

I don't know, I might use Oranguru.

Psychic-Normal is great at dealing with CSR anyway.

And it's nowhere near as frail as Smeargle.

[dense latch]

next to oranguru your CIR is much more open to getting doubled into since oranguru itself exerts no pressure

smeargle can either redirect moves away or decorate CIR while it protects from the double up

[stone trellis]

Decorate goes through Protect?

Alright, I'm sold.

On the one hand, I want to use AV because it's really funny to just see it wall an Astral Barrage.

But on the other hand, I think having Protect and not relying on others to set TR up is a bit more valuable.

Now I just need to decide who the last three members of the team should be.

I chose to forgo Spore in place of Decorate on Smeargle since Miraidon kinda disables it.

The only problem is I can't run Urshifu because both the Choice Scarf and the Focus Sash are taken.

And I have BAD experiences with Choice Band.

There goes the Fire-Water-Grass core 😔

Nevermind, I have a solution.

I found an EV spread that allows it to survive both Barrage and Psychic if it's Tera Water.

And it even survives Tera Grass Giga Drain from any Volcarona who isn't Modest.

And it OHKOs glass cannon Miraidon.

[stone trellis]

I don't know if I should put the rest of the points in Urshifu's Speed.

[tribal vortex]

One YouTuber I follow did a trick room Urshifu

[solid frigate]

thats

thats like pretty common for Urshiffu Dark

[tribal vortex]

She did it with Water Urshifu to pair with Kyogre

Was hilarious watching a trick room Kyogre

[solid frigate]

thats

thats literally the portland winning team

and thats not the first time we see Urshifu in a trick room setting

Mirai Lunala

[stone trellis]

You know, I think I should put the rest of Urshifu's points into its bulk instead of its Speed.

[stone trellis]

Didn't Portland have Basculegion?

[solid frigate]

yeah but emphasis on TR Kyogre

[stone trellis]

Right.

I could honestly put Band Urshifu on a team with that kind of Kyogre.

[dense latch]

imo you need the speed this meta to outspeed smeargle

[stone trellis]

There's just a few things that it doesn't quite blow up.

[stone trellis]

Doesn't it reach 139 with max Speed Jolly?

And what is the worst Smeargle can do, Spore it on Electric Terrain?

I made a change.

I'll probably have Kyogre as the rain partner.

I'm keeping Band because its damage output is simply unmatched, but now I can sacrifice some Attack to give it enough Speed to outspeed Smeargle.

[dense latch]

decorate, also they can just bring in rillaboom and override the terrain

you’ll see smeargle the most on teams with rilla like the japan nats champion

[stone trellis]

As if Rillaboom wants to take a Choice Band Close Combat.

Anyways, you have a point.

The issue is that by making it fast enough to outspeed Smeargle, I lose just enough of the power that it needed to put some things almost completely out of KO range.

[dense latch]

it def depends on the set, you can probably afford bulk on band if you really want it

[stone trellis]

188 Attack only KOs Rillaboom with CC 6% of the time.
252 KOs it almost a third of the time.

Now I just don't know if I should run Miraidon-CIR or Kyogre-CIR.

[dense latch]

miraidon cir felt better and more fun for me

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

I love clicking Snarl in front of Kyogre.

[dense latch]

i also think sash ursh is the best set for cir miraidon

and also allows you to drop the bulk altogether and just go max max adamant

[stone trellis]

Yeah, Band fits more on a rain team.

I might not need a Choice Band when Smeargle is firing its third Decorate.

And since Miraidon disables Spore, it gives Smeargle free reign to run something like Wide Guard.

Or Imprison to cripple opposing Smeargles and literally any Follow Me or Fake Out user.

[stone trellis]

But wait, I can't run that since Smeargle has the Sash.

[sterile raven]

So, I'm having an issue submitting my team for a limitless tourney. Help?

[next stump]

what issue are you having?

[near crag]

How much is decent elo for Bo3? I recon 1500 should be really good, but how about stuff around 1400/1300?

[solid frigate]

1500 Elo with 60-70% GXE

usually consistency>Elo by a long shot

[next stump]

I think if you can reach the Top 500 on the ladder, you're likely good enough to go even record (4-4) at a regional, if not better. Right now that is low 1500s but usually is 1400s

[solid frigate]

i would say in a safer range

cuz as a person who got 4-4

Its definently feels weird

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh what?

Rilla and close combat?

[stone trellis]

Urshifu learns Close Combat.

With max Attack and an Adamant nature + a Choice Band, it can pretty easily OHKO a Rillaboom who's a bit frailer.

And no, U-turn does not do as much because CC gets STAB and U-turn does not.

[stone trellis]

Maybe I could run Mystic Water to have more flexibility and be able to use Protect/Detect.

[brazen quail]

Just wanna pick yalls noggins for a moment, do we prioritize def/sp.def over hp, also when would be an occasion we'd prioritize hp, is it only if the pokemons base hp is generally high?

[next stump]

hello 🙂

If you're playing VGC, typically you see HP invested in moreso than DEF/SpD. The simple reason is that HP is effective against both physical and special damage, whereas the others are more conditional.

There are definitely exceptions to this rule though. Iron Hands is a really common one, where his base HP is so high that oftentimes you see Iron Hands run low HP investment (maybe 76EVs or so) and almost max SpD investment to live hits like Moonblast or Earth Power

There are more complicated mathematical reasons behind these stat investment rules so if you're curious, I can try to find some calculations to explain them

[brazen quail]

Appreciate the answer, I typically do invest in hp if the pokemon is known to be a bit bulky even without the investments, just brainstorming the stat spread i wanna do on my Kyurem

[foggy lodge]

Usually if your HP is considered high you can invest on the lowest defensive stat

[brazen quail]

I do that as well, to even out the bulk

[foggy lodge]

Eviolite mons tend to run max hp or near max hp too because the defense boosts is already enough and hp serves to both offenses as Dillon said

[dense latch]

iron hands is probably the only meta relevant exception so prioritizing hp is a good rule of thumb

and zamazenta too

[brazen quail]

Thank you team 🫡

[dense latch]

but that’s a different case because of zama using body press

[bold geode]

Zamazenta can do either Spdef or run HP

[brazen quail]

I really wanna avoid using those heavy hitters, so far im using a Trick room team I'm pretty proud of, pretty 50/50 in terms of win rate but the matches are always down the wire, just want to throw in a Kyurem in the mix to have a heavy hitter in there

[bold geode]

Personally I do a mix every time but some like Yuma for example on his Japan Nats winning team put most of it into HP

[dense latch]

in the sense that it will typically run more defense evs than hp

[bold geode]

Yuma ran 180 EVs in Def and 204 HP EVs though

Typically yes but also important to note when some want to live more hits

[dense latch]

that’s true yeah

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Hello tree

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-26201817

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-kermit-the-frog-funny-feels-like-pool-gif-15324912

So many times
Being one game away from top 500 on the ladder
Only to fail repeatedly
This game is actively against me bruh

[grizzled island]

How pokémon feels when playing competitive

[molten oasis]

Just have your type charts memorized

[grizzled island]

Never 💪😎✨️

[stone trellis]

Kyurem appreciates both the snow and sun.

I wonder what Choice Specs Tera Fire White Kyurem does with Fusion Flare in the sun.

[strange fjord]

triple ghost is a little silly rn

and i happen the have a good MU into CSR teams

might try and refine the team a little but as silly as Zoroark is, its not really doing much

[wild knot]

https://twitter.com/agatiga/status/1942604799788343803

Gabriel Agati (@AgatiGa)

2 friends of mine got their visa request declined and therefore won't be able to attend Worlds.

they have helped me countless times with tournament preparation and are 2 of the best BR players, I'm confident they could do really well.

This was going to be their first Worlds...

X · Jul 8, 2025, 3:20 PM

[stone trellis]

Should my Urshifu run Band for the immediate damage or Mystic Water to be a little more flexible?

[knotty mirage]

Mystic water is probably better

[chrome knot]

band

[stone trellis]

I have Decorate on Smeargle.

[stone trellis]

Here's the team so far.
https://pokepast.es/a76ab583dee5d820

Since Urshifu cannot hold the Sash, I gave him a pseudo Sash by making him bulky enough to survive an Astral Barrage (or Psychic if it's Tera Water) from Life Orb (not Tera Ghost) max Special Attack Timid CSR.

[ocean pawn]

my rilla set for a team im working on
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 124 Def / 76 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
Fake Out
Grassy Glide
Wood Hammer
U-turn

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 188-224 (90.8 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 183-216 (88.4 - 104.3%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO
116+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Rillaboom: 176-210 (85 - 101.4%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
196+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Rillaboom: 186-218 (89.8 - 105.3%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

Not bad.

Why the 20 points in Speed?

[ocean pawn]

wanted faster fake outs

[stone trellis]

Right.

Here's an interesting question: What is the fastest Pokemon that gets Fake Out as of Scarlet and Violet?

[ocean pawn]

weavile assuming no boosts

[stone trellis]

Correct.

Second would be Sneasler.

Or first, depending on if you consider Unburden.

[stone trellis]

You could also distribute those points you put in its HP into its defenses.

Nevermind, the spread looks pretty great.

And the moveset is pretty optimal.

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/aVTDC_xb920?si=ghVHqWavrfUCq-J-

[chilly anvil]

Where can I find a good Raging Bolt build?

I want to run it with Ho Oh and Koraidon

[next stump]

https://www.munchstats.com/gen9vgc2025regi/1760/Raging Bolt

[chilly anvil]

ty

[next stump]

or if you want to specifically see teams with raging bolt and koraidon, you can check a website like labmaus

[left bobcat]

Dillon your dinner is ready 🫰🫰🫰🫰🫰

[chilly anvil]

I think I only found one team with Ho Oh, Koraidon and Raging Bolt

[next stump]

Had to zoom out to fit some of the bottom ones but this is what I found when I searched for Official tournaments with those 3 pokemon

[ember linden]

Cook? https://pokepast.es/0eb6fae3d0a2d55e

This team is so fun

[molten oasis]

Oh hell nah

Crazy zama set

[stone trellis]

MY GUY YOU ARE A FIGHTING TYPE YOU RESIST FOUL PLAY BY EXISTING WHY IS IT 0 ATTACK

[ember linden]

O that was just a showdown thing not input by me lol

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[ember linden]

Technically optimal tho

[stone trellis]

How?

[ember linden]

Body press not calculated by attack stat and no other damaging move

[stone trellis]

Okay, and?

[ember linden]

Take minimum from foul play..

[stone trellis]

You have an effective Defense stat of 316.

Zamazenta is a Fighting type.

[next stump]

that doesn't change that you don't need the attack though

he's not running heavy slam or anything that uses the attack stat offensively

[stone trellis]

It just annoys the shit out of me for no reason.

[ember linden]

Lol

I would think someone noticed the grassy seed farig with no rilla over the 0 attack iv zama

[stone trellis]

This is diabolical as a whole.

[ember linden]

On cart everyone bringing rilla to the miraidon team so I thought it’d be funny

[stone trellis]

At least Chien-Pao and Mirai are pretty standard.

[ember linden]

It’s lowkey better than groudon

[stone trellis]

Chien-Pao or Miraidon?

[ember linden]

Just the team is better than any groudon team

[stone trellis]

Wow, it's almost like if you take an S-tier restricted and an A-tier restricted and pair them with Pokemon that support them really well, you end up having a better team than the teams that use a C-tier restricted that's barely viable.

[ember linden]

Zama base form better than groudon is funny

Justice is needed for kyogre and groudon bro

[stone trellis]

Kyogre does not need shit.

[ember linden]

If power level keeps scaling it’ll just get worse for them most likely

[stone trellis]

It gets a 150 BP STAB spread move that uses its highest attacking stat, never misses and gets boosted by the weather it sets.

[ember linden]

Kyogre still isn’t as good

[stone trellis]

Oh well, at least the Primals will definitely help with that.

[ember linden]

It’d be nicer for the one restricted formats

Yeah if they return true

Idt giving them 100% accurate spread moves is ever a bad idea

[stone trellis]

Water Spout and Eruption:

(Eruption for Primal Groudon specifically)

[ember linden]

Eh

[stone trellis]

I thought you said that it was a bad idea.

[ember linden]

I don’t think

Kyogre has it and is still meh

[stone trellis]

Kyogre is only great now when it's paired with someone who wrecks Grass and Electric types.

[ember linden]

If origin pulse gets buffed to 100% then that may change tho

[shadow wind]

Bro caught a stray

[ember linden]

Lol yeah

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

Calyrex otw to make Kyogre viable by being there:

[ember linden]

Kyogre glaze

[stone trellis]

I'm literally saying that it needs another legendary to be great.

I'm glazing CIR, not Kyogre.

[ember linden]

Smh my head

[molten oasis]

Kyogre’s mid

Well idk about mid

It’s in a rough spot tho

[stone trellis]

It's on the precipice of greatness.

[ember linden]

Kyogre won a few regionals in reg-g right

[stone trellis]

It won Portland Regionals in Reg I too.

[ember linden]

Idr tbh

Ik

[stone trellis]

Guess who it was paired with.

[molten oasis]

It won like, one

[ember linden]

Unfort

[shadow wind]

Say that again

[molten oasis]

Wait actually g?Idk if it won anything

[stone trellis]

Both Calyrex forms have this strange ability to make other legendaries great by being on the same team as them.

[stone trellis]

I guess this was the origin of the name.

[ember linden]

Kyogre caly Ice is like maybe low B

But the elevation in viability was good

For kyogre

[stone trellis]

Zamazenta flips burgers when it's not paired with CSR or Miraidon.

[stone trellis]

Miraidon was already top 2 though, he didn't need the help.

[ember linden]

Zama was good asf reg-g?

Where was kyogre😭 😭

[molten oasis]

It fell off towards the end of the format

[stone trellis]

Fuck that, where the hell is Solgaleo?

It's a Steel type who can't get intimidated and yet it's nowhere to be seen!

[molten oasis]

I just need Zac, Zac keeps me sane. Although I run Mirai instead of ogre rn

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-ghost-calyrex-shadow-rider-astral-barrage-pokemon-gif-12499362770308053912

[molten oasis]

That horse that I hate

[ember linden]

3rd place worlds moment

[molten oasis]

I was saying the second go of reg g

[ember linden]

Still tbh

[solid frigate]

that kingambit living in 10%

IRON HEAD GO BRRRRR

[ember linden]

I know where that thing is

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[solid frigate]

@bold geode

[molten oasis]

Hehe top 100 on 2018 ladder

[atomic mural]

nice