#competitive_discussion

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jade dust
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It was already good but I think clear amulet will make it one of the best restricted

solid frigate
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Bro forgot Mega Salamence

left bobcat
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Damn really did not read that mega part-

jade dust
left bobcat
jade dust
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I’m surprised as well

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But also Zacian got OHKO by Ivy Cludde

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They tera electric but didn’t matter

left bobcat
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What would it even be used for aside from aesthetic

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Does oshawott learn coaching, endevor, or sum shit?

jade dust
foggy lodge
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Idk there's no use in trying to comprehend this team lmao

left bobcat
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So who knows

foggy lodge
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Yeah but Scraggy is super specific but has the justification of

left bobcat
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Maybe it’s a ursh counter? Because of shell armor ability- well then again maybe not

foggy lodge
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Being slower than CIR and Hands and having coaching fake out intimidate and endeavor

left bobcat
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Besides I think there would be better counters for ursh than a baby sea otter

foggy lodge
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But what does Oshawott do for CSR Zacian

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Probably just for showing

left bobcat
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Probably

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Weakness policy Tera fire CSR flip turn oshawott?

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Nah

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Ig we will never know

jade dust
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We will never know

late lodge
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Due to my work schedule I haven’t had time to research this but I have questions that do need some answers. So will Pokemon champions be the new game we play vgc on? And megas are gonna be in the format ?

foggy lodge
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Nothing is confirmed

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The information we have points to that but there's nothing confirmed

jade dust
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I wonder why they never make mythicals legal. I know they are usually event exclusive so a lot of people don’t use them. But most of them aren’t very good to begin with. The only problematic one would had been Darkrai

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But Dark Void got gutted

solid frigate
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all Mythicals are kinda ass

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except for one or two

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and its not darkrai

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the reason they are not legal cuz its not widely catchable which means acessability issue

jade dust
dense latch
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they were less accessible in the starting days of vgc so they just kinda rolled with it despite some of them being more accessible nowadays

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i dont think it’d make that crazy of a difference other than liked arceus

solid frigate
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the only good ones are Magerena (Trick Room Sweeper) and Jirachi (Serene Grace Iron Head)

Arceus is ass

jade dust
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But basically has no ability

solid frigate
solid frigate
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120 on all bulk is good

jade dust
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It isn’t a bad speed tier either

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Or attacking stats

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120 atk is fine

solid frigate
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but speed and being mixed attacker issue is very much here

When you realise almost all meta fast pokemon are 135 or ABOVE

And it needs set up to do restricted level damage and no Ability to defend itself makes it not that good as people expecting

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I can see arguements on Gen 8

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and 120 on both attack stat is horrible

jade dust
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Diancie would had been interesting

solid frigate
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120 on itself is good but both attack stat is just no

jade dust
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Her maga at least

solid frigate
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just use Magerena as the TR pokemon

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it literally has Grim Neigh but apply on every fallen pokemon

jade dust
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Or healing wish

solid frigate
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you need trick room

jade dust
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Yee and then make Indeedee go to the shadow realm

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I think she has potential too

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At least with Fari or psychic terrain support so she doesn’t get 1 tapped by bullet punch

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Tho wait her movepool is kinda ass

molten oasis
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if mythical's are ever available maybe

jade dust
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Lol these teams are so gimmicky

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But they fail when you know what their plan is

solid frigate
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its a bit original

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cuz they just Slap CSR Lugia anyway

jade dust
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Another one

solid frigate
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i love rain

jade dust
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Yeah rain is a fine strategy

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But evasion being so luck based

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It’s hateful

solid frigate
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no i mean Rain's benefit on Hurricane and Sandsear

jade dust
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Ah

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Yes with rain, you auto counter it

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Even more if you have thunder

solid frigate
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it just ignores whatever the fuck muk doing

solid frigate
jade dust
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Hurricane, the genius storms and thunder ignore evasion in rain

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Pretty nice

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I had thunder Kyoger

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I also have heavy slam in iron hands in case they follow me with smeargle in turn 1

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Heavy slam ignores minimize

jade dust
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I love when in the last turn the mon faints for recoil

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After taking a KO

strange fjord
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first ranked matched on cartridge and ive basically won with 3-1 against an amoongus and they are timer stalling just to waste time 🫠

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only took like 3x longer to win the battle than it needed to

stone trellis
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I tried a super unique team yesterday with CIR and AV Groudon as the restricteds, Coaching Iron Valiant, Leftovers Volcarona, Grimmsnarl and Life Orb Raging Bolt.

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Volcarona and Coaching are so goated on this team, man.

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Although I'd personally change Volc's Tera Type to Grass to prevent it from falling for Amoonguss' fuckery.

jade dust
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I think Im getting better at caly ice miraidon mirrors

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I was losing the mirror a lot before

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But iron bundle changed it into my favor

left bobcat
stone trellis
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That's Magearna.

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I found a cool rental team but I have some issues with it. Would anyone care to challenge me in a Link Battle just so I can figure out what the EV spreads are?

foggy lodge
knotty mirage
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So i see good amount of people use scovillain on ladder now what does it do exactly ?

solid frigate
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and then nuke

stone trellis
knotty mirage
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Oh so does clear amulet prevent the defense drop too ?

real prairie
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If i remember right, mega Latios was seriously dangerous before the rise of Fairies

solid frigate
solid frigate
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making it 0 draw back most of the time

stone trellis
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Damn, I might actually run that.

real prairie
knotty mirage
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Okay that makes sense now it do have really good synergy with korai then

solid frigate
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and Ogerpon can captialise it

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especially Cornerstone

stone trellis
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The issue is that its defenses are now halved.

solid frigate
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Cornerstone doesnt really care about it lmao

stone trellis
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And if you have Ogerpon in front of you, there's always the option of just... not clicking SE.

solid frigate
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yeah just saying cuz VGC community is like 90% of the players are lack of Knowledge

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im not saying the s word

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cuz i seen people dont respect follow me and paid the price

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not saying you would its just i seen too many people fall for it

stone trellis
solid frigate
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lol

stone trellis
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Fair point.

foggy lodge
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That being said this team felt good even though its from basically reg G

solid frigate
stone trellis
foggy lodge
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Speedy hands is a threat

foggy lodge
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But this is what I used to run in reg G

stone trellis
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Yeah, that will help you way more.

foggy lodge
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Well with urshifu water instead of Zamazenta

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Still sitrus berry helps more into the mirror

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Like Volcarona is already good into both Calyrex so

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Quiver dance cooks CSR and the typing naturally takes glacial lance so it forces ice rider to use another move to hit it like high horsepower

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And wide guard zama + volc creates a position where cir is walled

stone trellis
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Or Wide Guard Lunala + Volcarona.

real prairie
# solid frigate im not saying the s word

Think issue isn't stupidity as much as ignorance.

VGC isn't as straight forward as pick up a copy of Pokemon and click "play online" with everything explained to you ingame.

pokemon are getting better at teaching people outside of the game, but ingame is still horribly vague.

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that and throughout all Pokemon content you are taught "Use your favourite pokemon", "be best friends with your pokemon to accomplish things".

Competitive pokemon does everything that you are told to hate on in the anime and story modes 🤣 Bin off shitty pokemon and only use the strongest most competitive mons to win

stone trellis
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Not neccessarily.

real prairie
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so when people first join competitive, and want to win worlds with their sunflora, we sit here wondering wtf is wrong with them 😅

stone trellis
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But I feel like people can never strike a balance.

real prairie
stone trellis
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They either make a whole team filled with niche Pokemon that have almost zero synergy or they justify the argument that restricted formats allow for no creativity.

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You can always find ways to make lesser used Pokemon strong, but you will always have to pair them with other strong Pokemon to draw out their full potential.

real prairie
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you have one side, "only ever use meta mons or you'll lose all the time" and the other side, "i want to use all my favourites to win like a pokemon master"

stone trellis
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Exactly.

real prairie
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thus, ignorance. 😁

foggy lodge
stone trellis
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"Spot the niche pick" ahh team 💀

foggy lodge
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Farigiraf!!!

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My super niche pokemon with 20% usage

stone trellis
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I was referring to Landorus.

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And yes, it is niche compared to the other four.

solid frigate
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You need understanding on how to make niches work and should not be the first thing to do when you play VGC

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I rather just play full meta than finding a niche pokemon to work with in this format

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you can make a balance but creating a balance is hard

real prairie
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and explaining that to a noob is like popping a bubble of all their hopes and dreams as the ignorance is broken

solid frigate
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i rather if they have experience and can explain these

Why do you want it
What does it achieve
Who does it synergise in your team

real prairie
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My guy, i once said id make Hypno viable.

I was that ignorant guy 🤣 that bubble only burst for me after losing

and losing

and losing a lot more

and losing again

foggy lodge
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ok i respect likings but

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Why hypno

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Out of all things😭

real prairie
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I dont even like hypno lol

solid frigate
real prairie
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it was me being stubborn on a nonsence "Trick" team

foggy lodge
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That raises even more questions then LMAO

real prairie
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that was never viable

solid frigate
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i just made Greninja work but i slap the entire Tang Core into it

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Cuz Greninja’s Best synergy for restricted is Ice Rider lmao

solid frigate
real prairie
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originally it was a choice specs nuke, but then things started outspeeding it 🤣

stone trellis
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At least Ludicolo has had some competitive presence in the past.

solid frigate
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mine is still Choice specs Greninja and Man OHKOing Kyogre with Protean Grass Knot is fun

real prairie
solid frigate
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Greninja is no.1 pokemon and it was good in Singles but like not great in Doubles

stone trellis
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It's won Worlds twice, if I can recall correctly.

solid frigate
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And poor Greninja is slower than Meow lmao

stone trellis
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Ludicolo, not Greninja.

solid frigate
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Thanks to swift swim Sets

stone trellis
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It's pretty good both with and against Kyogre, isn't it?

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The problem is that Kyogre isn't as good anymore.

solid frigate
solid frigate
foggy lodge
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Are incin and rilla the mario and luigi of vgc

solid frigate
stone trellis
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Come to think of it, you might be right.

stone trellis
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So would Dark Urshifu be Shadow in this scenario?

solid frigate
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and what Tornadus is Tails?

stone trellis
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Yeah, I guess it is.

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Who's Knuckles in this scenario?

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Koraidon?

solid frigate
stone trellis
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Yeah, that makes more sense.

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So would Flutter Mane be Eggman?

solid frigate
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Kinda ig?

stone trellis
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I still need help with figuring out the EV spreads for the rental team.

real prairie
stone trellis
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Should I run Dragon Pulse on Raging Bolt instead of Draco Meteor for more consistency?

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It already does enough damage with Life Orb, STAB and Protosynthesis, so it should be fine, right?

real prairie
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depends on your bolts staying power. If you know it can stick around to fire off a couple dragon pulses, then run that.

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if you need it to blow something up to protect allies or itself, run Draco

stone trellis
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I already have Calyrex and Groudon to blow shit up.

shadow wind
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Did I hear Groudon?

stone trellis
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Yeah.

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Everyone's laughing till Groudon clicks Crunch and Calyrex starts seeing the light of Heaven.

shadow wind
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It’s like a frickin sleeper code for me at this point Jesus

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And AV Groudon STILL dies to specs Tera water water spout in the sun

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And this is why Sun needs a buff

stone trellis
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Would be cool if there was some form of Sun that eliminated Water moves entirely.

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Especially if it were given to a form of Groudon.

shadow wind
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Yeah that’d be sick

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I doubt that would happen though

solid frigate
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says needs buff when there is wide cast of Past Paradox Pokemon

Its more Groudon needs a buff more than Sun needs a buff

stone trellis
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It would be primally raw.

shadow wind
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And then give Groudon stab fire so his only weakness is Ground?

shadow wind
stone trellis
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And give him a Special Attack stat which makes Eruption Groudon actually viable?

shadow wind
solid frigate
shadow wind
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Nah but the proto mons are stupid good

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Gouging fire !

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I love me some Gouging fire

stone trellis
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Brute Bonnet and Raging Bolt being the GOATs of Reg I:

shadow wind
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Brute bonnet kinda fell off lowkey

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I could see it being useful on specific teams though

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Like I might use the guy on my current team

stone trellis
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A redirector who's bulkier than Amoonguss, has an immunity to Prankster and a great Attack stat fell off?

shadow wind
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In terms of usage yeah

stone trellis
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Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

shadow wind
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Felt like bro was on every team at the beginning of the format

solid frigate
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Its more like * every Koraidon Team *

stone trellis
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At least the giraffe is still hooping free throws from the other side of the court.

shadow wind
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Amoonguss has triple the usage on ladder compared to Bonnet

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That’s rough

late lodge
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Amonguss is still used pretty regularly. Run into it a lot

shadow wind
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18% of teams on ladder use it so that’s not shocking to hear

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Also after my detour to Bo1 I will be retiring from Bo1 for this Regulation

real prairie
shadow wind
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Oh dang nice

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And guys I was talking about usage not how good it was 😭

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I swear I’m not blinded by Amoonguss

stone trellis
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BB loves Groudon too.

shadow wind
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He kinda just likes the sun

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90% of Groudon teams could just have Koraidon or CIR in his place and that hurts me

stone trellis
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I don't know, man.

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I feel like Groudon suits my style more, but I might try SE Koraidon too.

shadow wind
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I have literally been using Groudon for the entirety of Generation 9 and from personal experience Koraidon can 9 times out of 10 replace Groudon

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He’s more consistent in pretty much every way

real prairie
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Conner trying to get rid of the groudon competition 🤣

stone trellis
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Groudon is basically the 2%.

shadow wind
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I just don’t like hearing false information

stone trellis
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He never gives up until he hits P-Blades on both targets.

shadow wind
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Brute bonnet likes Koraidon just as much as it likes Groudon

stone trellis
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So wait, what do SE Koraidon teams usually have for the other partners?

shadow wind
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What does SE even mean

stone trellis
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Spicy Extract.

shadow wind
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Ohhh

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I’ve seen them with just normal sun HO

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Technically you could run like a clear body Mon to take advantage of spicy extract but that’s probably never going to do well

stone trellis
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What about the second restricted?

shadow wind
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I’ve seen them with Miraidon and CSR but that’s really it

stone trellis
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Damn it, I have to run CSR?

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I hate CSR.

shadow wind
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But you’re running CIR?

stone trellis
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I want my Pokemon to be capable of taking hits on their own.

shadow wind
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Spoken like a true Groudon player

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Just go Miraidon then, that thing actually lives a lot

stone trellis
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Sure.

shadow wind
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Double bike is cool

stone trellis
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Yeah, except for when the opponent is Ursaluna and Miraidon is choice locked into Electro Drift.

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And you're in Trick Room.

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And Koraidon is Tera Fire.

shadow wind
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Ursaluna kinda just cooks 80% of things in general

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That’s not a bike problem trust

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Like they don’t help it at all

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But nothing likes to be against Ursaluna besides like Sinistcha

stone trellis
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Speaking of Ursaluna cooking things, I managed to cook an opponent who had three Pokemon with only CIR.

shadow wind
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Calyrexes do that

stone trellis
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Though it was mostly an early Coaching from Iron Valiant and two Fiery Dances into Groudon that allowed the sweep to occur.

stone trellis
shadow wind
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I remember my Volcarona once 1v4’d, I’ll never doubt Volcarona again

stone trellis
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Volcarona still cranking 90s on restricteds after four gens of power creep:

shadow wind
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Real

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Yknow who ain’t doing that in gen 9?

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Groudon 😔

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Give me red orb back please

stone trellis
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I'm so disappointed at the fact that I can't nickname my Groudon "Fat Fuck".

shadow wind
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😭😭

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God forbid a guy have some winter weight

stone trellis
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The guy weighs 3,5 Dave Blunts.

shadow wind
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Also do you guys think the bikes abilities would be balanced if they took recoil similar to how solar power works?

stone trellis
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Perhaps.

shadow wind
stone trellis
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Zamazenta is carrying a big metal shield.

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What is Groudon's excuse?

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I just know he was devouring them Geodudes all winter.

shadow wind
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He’s based off the Behemoth, I think it would be inaccurate if he weighed less

stone trellis
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The Behemoth is an ox.

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This theory is bullshit.

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Leviathan is a serpent and Ziz is a bird.

shadow wind
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Was the leviathan a whale?

stone trellis
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No, it is a giant sea snake.

shadow wind
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To be fair they’re pretty close

stone trellis
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Mammals and serpents?

shadow wind
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Big land creature
Big sea creature
Sky creature

stone trellis
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That hardly counts as inspiration, but go off.

shadow wind
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Hey man I wasn’t the one who made the theory

stone trellis
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Again, Groudon is a fridge defender and I will die on that hill.

shadow wind
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Ok

real prairie
real prairie
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seems like a pretty good excuse for a few extra Lbs

stone trellis
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Guess that explains why he's built like Biggie Smalls.

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I feel like they should make it so that Heat Wave, Muddy Water, P-Blades and O-Pulse never miss under their respective weathers.

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Or they could make a Pokemon who sets Gravity upon switching in and make Ground types actually unstoppable.

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So wait, does Koraidon on Spicy Extract teams run Close Combat or Collision Course?

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And what about Scovillain's item and the rest of its moves?

next stump
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collision course

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scovillian is sash with overheat, rage powder, and protect

stone trellis
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Does Destiny Bond fail if the Pokemon uses another status move on the next turn?

solid frigate
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it would not work

stone trellis
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Good to know.

rustic kraken
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Sooo… I got a question if anyone knows anything about competitive singles…. I think I have a valid team build that may have potential. I call it Dragoon centered, triple threat… or triple threat for short.

The photo of the team from showdown is in SV discussions

next stump
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Unfortunately there aren't many (or any) people here who play single battles competitively 😦

solid frigate
left bobcat
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It’s not worth it to run reshiram at all poliwhirlkek

chilly anvil
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Is there a good team to build around Oricorio?

chrome knot
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no

chilly anvil
chrome knot
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none…? its not a good mon😭

chilly anvil
bold geode
chrome knot
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why is your name john

bold geode
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It is I

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John VGC

chrome knot
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John VGC

bold geode
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The John VGC

chilly anvil
bold geode
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Anyways Dancer strat was very niche and ass even in A where you could pull off more niche stuff due to lower power

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Everything is just way too overpowered now for Dancer

chilly anvil
bold geode
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Yeah
Cuz they win

chrome knot
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“op meta teams”

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me when standard shows up…

chilly anvil
bold geode
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"People should win with their favorites"
Ok my favorites are Incineroar, Urshifu Rapid Strike, and Calyrex Shadow Rider

chrome knot
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ok…. but also that is not rly a good combo😭😭

chilly anvil
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My other favorite is Ho Oh, is it at least decent?😭

bold geode
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What? Double bike goes kinda hard

chrome knot
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its funny sure vut

bold geode
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Not the best but it definitely ain't bad

chrome knot
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does not mean its good lmao

chilly anvil
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I like Rillaboom tho

bold geode
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Emma does not like Spicy Extract Koraidon and it shows

chilly anvil
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Got my ass sweeped

chrome knot
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@bold geode look in sv discussion there is a bacteria infection spreading

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gigglin reading

next stump
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you can use it easily

chilly anvil
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That’s how I built mine and I’m feeling lazy to rebuild it but if I have to I have topoliwhirlkek

next stump
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It's better as a bulkier attacker

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It's not the end of the world to use max attack/max speed if you're mostly casually battling

chilly anvil
next stump
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you can get master ball with max attack/speed ho-oh if you're too lazy

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but it will be a bit harder in some games

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you need another restricted legendary to pair alongside it

chilly anvil
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Which team should you build around it?

chilly anvil
bold geode
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@chrome knot I am engaging with the virus, my laptop will need to run McAfee

solid frigate
next stump
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It's partner is normally Miraidon or Calyrex-Shadow

chrome knot
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@bold geode READ THAT GUYS ABOUT ME

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CHILLSSSS

spiral ridge
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This feels like listening in to gossip about a group chat from another table

solid frigate
chrome knot
solid frigate
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i'm just paitently waiting for next format

sharp cobalt
bold geode
# chrome knot CHILLSSSS

"Yeah guys my life is so hard you wouldn't understand. 🎶I still see your shadows in my room🎶"

sharp cobalt
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Papa John

bold geode
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I'm John VGC

magic sierra
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Can someone rate my team? Just watched a few videos and play casuals. It does pretty well Intermit
Basically tried to make a reg I team for the first time ever XD

sharp cobalt
next stump
magic sierra
bold geode
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@chrome knot bnuuy alert

magic sierra
bold geode
magic sierra
bold geode
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Better here than Amoongus

magic sierra
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Ye, spore + electic terrain. Just needed a bulky redirect boi

bold geode
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Yeah that can be achieved with Hearth and cornerstone has Sturdy

magic sierra
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I have a Flame trained up?
Adamant
192 hp/76 Atk/48 Def/188 Speed

bold geode
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Sounds good except just fyi, that Defense investment is technically wasting if you're at Lvl 50 during battles, 44 Def would be optimal and I'd just throw those 4 extra EVs into like Spdef

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Other than that, at least for a start team looks pretty good, though if Ice Rider damage misses out at some points that you don't like, I'd also test out a spread that's like
252/116/140 in the same stats with same nature possibly but yeah for a start, not bad

magic sierra
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The idea is to snowball with helping hand XD. I normally do raids

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Electric terrain + Armor tail + Trick room makes it very hard to stop without protect spamming

bold geode
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For sure

chilly anvil
strange fjord
chrome knot
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he means each team featuring a shiny locked mon

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most commonly miraidon

bold geode
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Me when everything can't be shiny

chrome knot
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but but

next stump
strange fjord
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time to make a team that only features shiny locked pokemon

chrome knot
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i want full shiny yeam :(((

next stump
chrome knot
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i think im ready to drop vgc for mkworld tho actually

bold geode
strange fjord
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MKWorld Emma

chrome knot
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dunno, mkworld has been alot more fun

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been scrimming like multiple times a night

bold geode
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I mean we are like
In the dying part of SV

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I will admit

strange fjord
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After worlds, its gonna be slow for SV

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unless we get surprise free dlc update that adds more Pokemon

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which is very unlikely

bold geode
next stump
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champions hopium

chrome knot
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i mean even with sv being @ end of its life cycle

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i don’t really find vgc fun atm

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which i think is pretty normal given how bad it makes me feelGiggleHehe

bold geode
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I've had VGC not be fun for me at moments, a break can be good and now there's actually a moment where you can

solid frigate
# bold geode

Bro stole my meme and thought he can get away with it

bold geode
solid frigate
bold geode
solid frigate
bold geode
chilly anvil
gentle cragBOT
chilly anvil
chilly anvil
chrome knot
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sry but i dont gaf😭

bold geode
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Oh @chrome knot I got my team built on cart finally after God knows how long KEKW

foggy lodge
waxen dock
chilly anvil
waxen dock
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also calyrex and urshifu are shiny locked

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i think the only archetype witohut a shiny locked mons is sword fish

chilly anvil
waxen dock
chilly anvil
waxen dock
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and even in some sword fish some people like to use urshifu

waxen dock
chilly anvil
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Is there any archetype that fits Ho Oh well that isn't shiny locked?

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Like I'm not trying to 100% min max but I just wanna reach master ball tier to get the ribbon

waxen dock
chilly anvil
rare pumice
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did iron defense increase body press' damage in gen 8? I think heard back then that it didn't but idk if that was a rumor or not since the game only had just come out back then

foggy lodge
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Yes it did

bold geode
rare pumice
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thank you

rare pumice
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Are trap moves like stealth rocks, and by extension is rapid spin used all that much in battle stadium formats?

next stump
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stealth rock isn't a trap move, it's a hazard move

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do you mean trap moves like sand tomb/fire spin?

rare pumice
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Oh sorry, I meant hazard, I get the two terms confused some times

next stump
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all good 😄 stealth rocks is very occasionally used on something like ting lu, but it's rare

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I've never seen rapid spin used in VGC

rare pumice
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is it more prevelant in unofficial 6v6 formats then?

next stump
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yes, there's a lot more switching which means the damage can rack up

rare pumice
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I've always liked the idea of a rapid spin Iron Treads set for some reason

foggy lodge
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Rapid spin is just not worth it in vgc

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Very weak move with no real offensive use, not a good coverage and the speed boost is just ocassional

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Rapid spin is more like a tech used in singles precissely for hazards but nothing more than that

rare pumice
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I remember thinking the speed boost was cool when I first found out about it but idk if it's really any useful all that much in any format or for any pokemon. I don't have enough experience in that area

median stag
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Hey, I want some advice on a new team I'm making. Can someone give some advice?

chrome knot
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ya

median stag
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Cinderace (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Pyro Ball
  • High Jump Kick
  • Zen Headbutt
  • Court Change

Revavroom (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Iron Head
  • Poison Jab
  • Toxic
  • Parting Shot

Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Astral Barrage
  • Psyshock
  • Nasty Plot
  • Protect

Miraidon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 108 Def / 140 SpA / 140 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Electro Drift
  • Volt Switch
  • Dragon Tail
  • Dazzling Gleam

Ting-Lu @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Ruination
  • Stealth Rock
  • Heavy Slam
  • Whirlwind

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunder Wave
  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Protect

Here's my team.

next stump
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can you send the pokepaste link isntead of pasting in here?

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it's easier to read and follow

median stag
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How do I do that?

next stump
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where did you copy those movesets from

dull ibex
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@bold geode weegeecee

next stump
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did you manually type them?

median stag
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No

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just copied and paste

next stump
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what website did you copy and paste it from

median stag
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Pokemon Showdown

next stump
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at the bottom of the teambuilder page, it should say something like "export to pokepaste"

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click that, then post the URL link here

median stag
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Got it

next stump
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Is this for single battles or doubles? Just so we know

median stag
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doubles

dense latch
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looks a lot like a singles team

median stag
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you really think so?

dense latch
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only pokemon that would work are flutter miraidon and csr

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maybe ting lu with a different set, mirai also would need a few improvements

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heavy duty boots and hazards in general are kinda irrelevant in doubles

median stag
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Hazards are irrelevant?

dense latch
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in doubles yes

dense latch
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was literally discussed just above lol

median stag
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Half my matches with this team included hazards.

dense latch
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what doubles format are you playing? vgc reg i or some unofficial format

median stag
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And I added Cinderace and Revavroom for a very specific reason. VGC 2025 Reg I (Bo3)

stone trellis
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This is a slightly modified version of a rental team I saw being used by a small YouTuber named Bruneaux. The main changes are CIR's EV spread which allows it to survive an E-Drift or a Draco from Specs Modest Miraidon, as well as Volcarona's Tera Type being Grass instead of Dark.
https://pokepast.es/995c818d4ed291dc

median stag
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Thanks, ima check real quick

dense latch
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tera grass works better with a giga drain set

stone trellis
dense latch
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fair enough

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the team seems strong into amoong anyways

stone trellis
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I had no Spore immunities and I read my opponent really badly.

dense latch
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if you leverage your valiant taunt or if you force a tera on it

median stag
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How do you let a Brute Bonnet wipe your whole team bruhPikaLmao

stone trellis
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I'm bad at VGC, bro.

dense latch
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not super crazy

stone trellis
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Being at Master Ball tier doesn't mean anything, trust me.

dense latch
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brute bonnet won’t wipe your team but spore is insane if you don’t deal with it fast

median stag
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Ima hop into a match rq. Let's see how good it is.

stone trellis
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It's going to be trash, isn't it?

next stump
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Let me break it down pokemon by pokemon with my thoughts:

Cinderace

  • The item is unfortunately useless in 99.9% of games. I have played thousands of VGC games in SV and have seen stealth rock/poison spikes maybe 50 times total, and most of that is from Glimmora or Kleavor setting them up as a byproduct.
  • On top of the item being useless, Cinderace doesn't do a whole lot either. Court Change is cute for giving yourself reflect/light screen (if it even works like that?) but other than that, Cinderace is a strictly worse fire type than a lot of other options. Chi-Yu, Incineroar, Entei, etc. all do the role of Fire type better. If you want a fast physical attacker, then there are better options too

Revavroom

  • Very much a similar scenario as above. I've seen the pokemon a few times ever and it's never really done much. It is completely outpaced by a metagame where every team has 2 restricted legendaries and probably 1-2 other legendaries like Urshifu or the Ruin pokemon with substantially higher base stat totals and movepools. If you can explain a bit why Revavroom is on the team, I bet we can find a better replacement that is stronger on the whole

Calyrex-Shadow

  • Nothing much to comment here, good pokemon with a pretty standard moveset. Psychic is typically seen over Psyshock but both have their merits. I like the defensive tera as well. It's a little hard to run Nasty Plot on a team with no redirection/fake out/etc., so just something to consider.

Miraidon

  • Good pokemon with a pretty solid item. Your EVs are incorrect because you either want to invest in 3 or 5 stats, investing in 4 stats will always result in wasting EVs somewhere.
  • Dragon Tail is completely useless as a move on Miraidon. You're much better off with Draco Meteor, your strongest STAB to threaten stuff like Amoonguss

Ting-Lu

  • Consider Leftovers over Sitrus Berry due to the Calyrex forms
  • Whirlwind is pretty useless, same with stealth rock. I prefer Sand Tomb
dense latch
stone trellis
dense latch
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you might encounter hazards in early ladder but that doesnt mean they’re relevant

stone trellis
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It's such a monkey-ass team and I love it.

next stump
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Ran out of room but..

Flutter Mane

  • Standard moveset here for your flutter. Typically Flutter Mane with Booster Energy invest in bulk so they can live common attacks (Chien-Pao Ice Spinner, Urshifu Surging Strikes, etc.)
  • The moveset is pretty good 😄 I think most prefer Icy Wind due to the ability to be spread and do a little damage, but Thunder Wave has its use cases and can be especially strong if you are willing to roll the dice on paralysis
median stag
dense latch
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the duo is a bit inconsistent imo but it works

stone trellis
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Hey Tree, how's the team?

median stag
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I'm not done with match yet

stone trellis
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Are you winning, son?

median stag
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Ye

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So aqua jet and break past protect. Noted

dense latch
stone trellis
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Did Volcarona get the opportunity to set up?

dense latch
stone trellis
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Obviously.

median stag
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Yes

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Yes it was

dense latch
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well yea im aware but it seems tree thinks aqua jet as a whole breaks through protect

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urshifu’s contact moves are what break through protect

foggy lodge
median stag
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I meant specifically on Urshifu bruhGengarSad

dense latch
foggy lodge
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I love you mdb

stone trellis
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By the way, I think Crunch on Groudon is an especially good call.

dense latch
foggy lodge
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I connect will always stay with me

median stag
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I couldn't win cause I didn't bring Cinderace GengarSad

dense latch
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also do look at what dillon said about the team

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if you havent already

foggy lodge
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Cinderace is just very bad in this format

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Its a lot better in singles

dense latch
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there’s better ways to deal with fairy types than revavroom

median stag
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I need to replace thunder wave with icy wind

foggy lodge
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For vgc there are better fire types, the mere existence of Incineroar and if you want an offensive fire type Ogerpon has follow me which alone outclassed Cinderace

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And more fire types but those are the most standard ones

stone trellis
median stag
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I hate incineroar with a passion.

stone trellis
foggy lodge
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How does it tho?

stone trellis
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And with Tera Dark, you not only get an immunity to Psychic, but you also get STAB on Knock Off.

foggy lodge
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Idk I would use something better

stone trellis
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Slap an Assault Vest and a few EVs and youu literally cannot die to it.

foggy lodge
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Instantly forces to tera for the x4 weakness to psychic xd

craggy dagger
median stag
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I'm bouta obliterate this man, I know his strat. I wing game 2 and 3

stone trellis
craggy dagger
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it’s only niche is court change atm cuz of screens

foggy lodge
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Yeah Okidogi is cool

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I like its design

stone trellis
cosmic warren
foggy lodge
cosmic warren
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Kingambit also covers CSR and defiant is nice to have in case of incin

stone trellis
# foggy lodge Yeah Okidogi is cool

I had a team which had a 100% winrate against CSR-Zamazenta teams, but was kinda buns into everything else. Guess which big-ass dog was on the team.

stone trellis
cosmic warren
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I see much more CSR/zama but in either case I haven’t run kingambit in a minute. I prefer ditto lately

stone trellis
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I haven't seen Ditto being run as much, actually.

cosmic warren
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Wrecks on my caly/miraidon team

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And just having it plays mind games on the opponent for team selection

foggy lodge
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I used Ditto with Joey's team it was crazy

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It completely carried the CIR MU

stone trellis
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Sounds fun.

median stag
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So I'm starting to realize that I'm bad against Tailwind teams

cosmic warren
stone trellis
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Which team did you use?

median stag
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The same one as- Never mind I made him rage quit

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I'm talking about the Revavroom and Cinderace one

stone trellis
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Oh.

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Try out the team I sent.

cosmic warren
stone trellis
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It has a way better matchup into TW teams.

median stag
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Send link

stone trellis
median stag
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Also, their bad? Alright, let me send ya a clip rq after this match

cosmic warren
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1 clip from 1 game? I’m sure that beats statistics from every tournament in this regulation (for which no one uses those mons) but yes go off

stone trellis
cosmic warren
foggy lodge
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Its broken

stone trellis
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That's literally this set.

foggy lodge
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QD volc's best friend is grimm

cosmic warren
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I know that’s why I said it’s better than anything

stone trellis
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And Coaching from Iron Valiant also means that you can raise your physical Defense.

cosmic warren
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Plus flame body 🔥🔥🔥

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Plus Tera grass giga drain tho

stone trellis
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I don't know where Giga Drain should go.

cosmic warren
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Over struggle bug

foggy lodge
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Struggle bug

cosmic warren
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You have spirit break and light screen on snarl

stone trellis
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Sure.

foggy lodge
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But struggle bug completely destroys terapagos

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Its a good move for qd volc

cosmic warren
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I was able to get a miraidon to -4 spa earlier with snarl 😂

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Couldn’t even get half damage on my Tera water caly with electric terrain up

stone trellis
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It doesn't use BB's Protosynthesis-boosted Defense, it doesn't trigger Rocky Helmet and it also just nukes BB out of existence.

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I don't know, I just don't see any reason for Giga Drain to be run here.

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Maybe as a counter to Urshifu?

foggy lodge
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It gives you more healing and a second coverage for water and ground types

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Would be even for rock but the only rock type in the meta is rockpon :v

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Ig if they tera it would be good but yeah

stone trellis
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Sure.

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Here's the updated version with Giga Drain.

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I'll make a rental team for it too later.

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Are there any specific weaknesses this team has that I should look out for?

cosmic warren
stone trellis
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Yeah, we talked about them.

cosmic warren
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I was grocery shopping 🙈

stone trellis
cosmic warren
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You’re forced to swap your groudon if you face rain

stone trellis
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Yeah, but Bolt and CIR deal with Kyogre pretty well.

cosmic warren
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CIR only if they Tera grass and bolt only if they don’t

stone trellis
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Now imagine having both on the field.

cosmic warren
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Id rather this

stone trellis
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Sure.

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I will try to find a decent strategy to deal with Kyogre teams though.

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What is the general strategy they like to follow?

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I haven't played against any of them so far.

cosmic warren
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Kyogre teams? Set up tailwind and water spout go BRRRRR

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they usually have tornadus so he threatens your sun with rain dance

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That’s why I like jumpluff, it will force your opponent to rain dance over tailwind and you will still outspeed kyogre so you can sleep powder or set your own tailwind

stone trellis
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Got it.

shadow wind
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Dang the one time Groudon is being talked about I’m missing out 😔

cosmic warren
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I wanna see the helping hand groudon + miraidon discharge teams now

molten oasis
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Lol

stone trellis
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By the way, why do all the builds I find for Raging Bolt specify that it has to have 20 Attack IVs?

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It's a special attacker, why should they be anywhere above 0?

next stump
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you can't catch it in game without 20 attack

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it's locked

stone trellis
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Oh, I didn't know that.

next stump
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no worries, it's really dumb that it is coded that way

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but alas

stone trellis
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So that's why every Raging Bolt has the same Attack stat.

foggy lodge
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Mhm

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I wonder if anyone has run the 20 iv speed raging bolt for tr

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Guess we'll never know

stone trellis
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Doubt it.

dense latch
dense latch
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vaguely remember him mentioning that in his team report

cloud gyro
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Anyone have an EV spread for Caly Shadow?

foggy lodge
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Depends on what set/needs

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Most usually 252 spa 252 speed and then 4 points in whatever

cloud gyro
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That’s what I figured, thank you

foggy lodge
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But some spreads live surging strikes, other go slow

foggy lodge
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Yeah but given the bolt set he used of

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Safety goggles it looks a lot like something to lead into some teams so

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Makes sense he used the 31 ivs

rare pumice
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do you think there any online places that might be running fan held tournaments for sword and shield now a days?

foggy lodge
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Limitless is your best shot and I still doubt there are

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But you don't lose anything from trying there

rare pumice
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what is limitless?

foggy lodge
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Is a website that hosts a lot of tournaments of any kind of game, mostly used by TCG players but they also have VGC tournaments

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Everything there is hosted by players and usually not big companies

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Idk if there have been any tournaments hosted by organizations there

rare pumice
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thank you

foggy lodge
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👍

bold geode
stone trellis
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With how successful Raging Bolt and Farigiraf have been, is it fair to say that Game Freak loves giraffes?

cloud gyro
stone trellis
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You basically have three options.

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Focus Sash, Life Orb and (in more niche cases) Spell Tag.

cloud gyro
stone trellis
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Despite the "glass cannon" name, Life Orb CSR does more damage than Sash CSR and survives way more attacks, while also having the ability to set up.

cloud gyro
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So Orb?

stone trellis
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Yes.

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If there aren't any other Pokemon that would like to use it on your team, go for it.

cloud gyro
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Nah the rest of my team is already built, I’m just wanting to swap out Whims for Caly

forest arrow
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28 hp/ 4 def lives ss from ursh

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you can start from there

dense latch
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yea 28 HP, 4 Def, 220 SpAtk and 252 Speed with timid is usually your best bet

shadow wind
dense latch
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of all time

shadow wind
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A set of all time

dense latch
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looks like they couldn't decide which of the ursalunas to use

shadow wind
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And then chesto resto

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The guy using this has a 100% win rate

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Now a 50% winrate after me

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We LOVE low elo

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Man it took me 4 games to realize I need a new avatar

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The hardest part about any team, finding a new avatar to suit my Groudon nicknames

cyan smelt
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Low kick and chesto rest would even be weird on regular ursaluna because wouldn't you want the burn?

shadow wind
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Low kick is such an underrated move in restricted formats

foggy lodge
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Conner why are you so attached to Groudon btw

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Genuine question

dense latch
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do want to know the lore behind that too

shadow wind
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I just love the dude

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I wish I had a better answer for you guys

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Like I never played any Gen 3 games so it isn't that

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His simple design just has me in a chokehold

foggy lodge
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I expected more like "oh because ruby was the first game I played and my parents gifted to me and"

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But its fair lol

shadow wind
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My first game was Y

foggy lodge
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Lmao

shadow wind
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Which might be why I like red legendaries?

foggy lodge
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Went for the 7 years old explanation "because dinosaurs are cool"

shadow wind
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But who knows

cosmic warren
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Y was good

shadow wind
dense latch
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xy were the first games i finished

cosmic warren
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Emerald was my first game but miraidon is my favorite legendary so idk

shadow wind
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And dinosaurs are frickin awesome

dense latch
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i played heart gold as a kid but never played it all the way through

foggy lodge
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The first game I played was ruby actually

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But the first game I really like owned was moon

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And Lunala is my favourite legendary

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Favourite psychic type and my favourite ghost type is Mimikyu

cosmic warren
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Can’t lie my 1 playthrough of ultra sun was the worst Pokemon experience of my life just to get a magearna

dense latch
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https://pokepast.es/37d11c1c8fe7d391 i've been having a lot of fun with this team, i tried my best to replicate eric rios' grasspon evs, literally counted pixels on the damage it was dealing lol

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the more i use it the more i get eric's decision

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encore is so opressive especially if I can get to tera it

foggy lodge
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Riopaser used 191 HP Volcarona with Rillaboom

cosmic warren
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Interesting take on a classic team

foggy lodge
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I wanted to destroy it

dense latch
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imagined mdb raging about that like he's done in the past

foggy lodge
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My guess is that it was a mistake in the evs

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But its still weird that a player like him would make that mistake

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He seems to care a lot about optimizations

shadow wind
dense latch
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i wish i had eric's patreon to see the ev's and a full analysis of the team

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the top tier is so worth it tho for the money, the 2 hours of coaching alone make up for it

foggy lodge
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What I saw was that the initial concept of the team starter with Miraidon Lunala and electric seed cobalion lmao

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Not future cobalion just cobalion

dense latch
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lmao i think he mentioned that in the video he made abt his run lol

foggy lodge
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Yeah

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But the team is crazy I didn't think a no follow me ogerpon could do well in this format

dense latch
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love being bilingual so I get double the vgc content lmao

foggy lodge
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I wish I could understand japanese ngl

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Or italian

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Italian is maybe not that hard cause I think some words sound similar between spanish and italian

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But still

dense latch
foggy lodge
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LMAO

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Did you see the clip of marco talking about juanfi

dense latch
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why is his spanish so good 😭 the whole juanfi ordeal during naic was hilarious

foggy lodge
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Lmao it surprised me too

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Matemos juanfi

shadow wind
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Someone got "inspired" from Wolfey's vid

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foggy lodge
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I love low ladder one day I fought someone playing Koraidon Politoed with perish😭

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Imagine wolfey uses double weather at worlds

dense latch
shadow wind
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Same here

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Rest in peace Amoonguss 😔

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Bro got replaced hard

cyan smelt
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Amoog us

shadow wind
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We call those free 2-0's in the books

cyan smelt
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Did Groudon shred that team

shadow wind
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Lunala mostly

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And Incin

cyan smelt
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I thought you were using miraidon

shadow wind
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Nah

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After taking a detour to Bo1 I have decided Lunadon is my duo

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(I don't have a Miraidon)

solid frigate
# shadow wind

poor soul want to be a Wolfey Hardliner yet failed miserably

shadow wind
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Yeah...

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Got stopped by a smurf

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We love smurfing on showdown

shadow wind
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Riddle me this

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How do I go 8-0 into 9-4

molten oasis
shadow wind
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I love it when hurricane hits through the sun

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And I get crit turn 1 😔

molten oasis
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oof

shadow wind
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We LOVE RNG

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Woohoo !!

molten oasis
shadow wind
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Lowkey going insane

molten oasis
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valid, it happens tho

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it sucks but it happens

shadow wind
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Oh yeah nah I just gotta accept it move on

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Lunadon is feeling quite weak without Primal Groudon, or Lunalium Z, or Gmax Charizard

molten oasis
shadow wind
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I know, who woulda guessed

molten oasis
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the gimmick that does the worst for groudon is ofc, the one that doesnt buff its stats or smth

shadow wind
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Also I hate this team with a burning passion

molten oasis
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i think a lot of people do

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ik monke does, and it looks GROSS

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like we gotta make arguably the top duo even worse to deal with

shadow wind
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I hate smeargle

molten oasis
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smeargle hate is valid

shadow wind
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#1 most hated mon

molten oasis
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fuck smeargle, stupid dog

shadow wind
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Thank you Arubega

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molten oasis
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THAT WAS ARUBEGA?

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oh wait, arubega pon spread?

shadow wind
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Yeah yea

molten oasis
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ty arubega, you suck

shadow wind
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How do I miss 2/3 of my pblades to lose bruh

molten oasis
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precimiss blades at its finest

shadow wind
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At this point it ain't even funny

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No wonder I can't hit an 80 GXE

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My GXE will never be higher than pblades accuracy

molten oasis
shadow wind
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To end a game 3 too

molten oasis
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thats brutal

shadow wind
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Yup

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It hurts a lot

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I'm about to drop Groudon

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Clearly mine was dropped on his head

molten oasis
shadow wind
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AWESOME

molten oasis
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HAHAHAHA

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im sorry thats just actually hilarious

shadow wind
molten oasis
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and lowkey cursed, LMAO

shadow wind
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Just about to end it all

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About to use lucky chant

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Lucky chant gravity

molten oasis
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thats usually my sign to stop lol

shadow wind
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Yeah nah, this is my last game for sure

molten oasis
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you start losing games and all your rng is shit

shadow wind
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SCRAHHH

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molten oasis
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hey guys miraidon is a balanced pokemon

shadow wind
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It was only scarfed

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That's why I lived

molten oasis
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wow, thats 90%, from scarf

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eh ig bolt would do that much

shadow wind
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Groudon has 100/90

molten oasis
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yea i kinda forget groudon is reletively weak on the special side

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i dont use it

shadow wind
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So incredibly weak on the special side

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 383: Groudon
Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.2
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Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon
Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
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yk its bad when miraidon lowkey has better bulk lmfao

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like all around

shadow wind
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Koraidon has better special bulk

molten oasis
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IT DOES

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon
Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
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100 100 instead of 100 90

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😔

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I will run AV Groudon if I have to

molten oasis
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but incin

shadow wind
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He don't frickin need it

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He almost has better bulk than Groudon

molten oasis
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ggwp

shadow wind
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Welp this Bo3 has lead to this

molten oasis
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lmao

shadow wind
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Rejoice !

molten oasis
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oh wait you could miss

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riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

shadow wind
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This makes me mad

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I didn't deserve half those losses

molten oasis
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rngsus moment

shadow wind
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Yknow what

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One more to hit 1300 !

molten oasis
shadow wind
molten oasis
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THATS A CORPHISH

shadow wind
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I am not impressed

molten oasis
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and then yk, the face of hell

shadow wind
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They think they funny or something

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I bet I could win with that team too

molten oasis
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well its not groudon

shadow wind
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Me when I spam follow me

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molten oasis
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HE LED IT

shadow wind
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Jarvis, watch this

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molten oasis
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pfffff

shadow wind
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Oh he super forfeit

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Bo1 OTS type beat

molten oasis
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the low elo csr zama players suck lmao

shadow wind
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Hey man I'm down here with em

molten oasis
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you're playing groudon

shadow wind
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17-6, not my best record

shadow wind
molten oasis
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ik, its still groudon

shadow wind
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And I queued another game

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I'm autopiloting so hard

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Uhhh, could I get the corphish back

molten oasis
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LMFAO

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i hate fighting that team

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so bulky, incin mirai is broken, i hate it

shadow wind
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It's very annoying

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Guess I'll just forfeit

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TURN ONE DOG

molten oasis
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you cant make this shit up

shadow wind
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Oh bless a moonblast drop

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Who looked at that move and said "Yeah that's fair"

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I would like a word with them

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Play Rough

Has a 10% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2
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Move: Moonblast

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
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hold up

shadow wind
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Yep

molten oasis
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thats bullshit

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THATS SO DUMB WHAT

shadow wind
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It sure is

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And I won cause I crit

molten oasis
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GIVE US A STRONG 100% ACCURATE FAIRY MOVE FOR ZACIAN

shadow wind
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This is karma !

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Thank you Ogerpon for being awesome

molten oasis
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i love ogerpon

shadow wind
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Ogerpon is dope

molten oasis
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goated mon, really cool role imo

shadow wind
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I have an idea

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I don't know if it'll work

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Groudon
Urshifu
Ogerpon

molten oasis
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which shifu

shadow wind
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Single

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Give it scarf and coaching

molten oasis
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just making sure

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that could work, helps with CSR

shadow wind
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Infinite luck

molten oasis
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karma

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oh uh, shadow shield, lunala, oof

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or did it die

shadow wind
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Nah lived on like 3%

molten oasis
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it took 27% from a crit precipice blades

shadow wind
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I was burnt

molten oasis
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ah

shadow wind
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Yeah they changed the team

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I love it when they do that !

molten oasis
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damn

shadow wind
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Nah it's chill

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I'll clutch the game 3

molten oasis
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wouldn't you have known if they changed the team when looking at it

shadow wind
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Yes

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I was not looking

molten oasis
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ic

shadow wind
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It is 100% my fault

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We did NOT clutch the game 3

molten oasis
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damn

shadow wind
molten oasis
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NOOO

shadow wind
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This is actually unreal

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And it's always the exact same team

molten oasis
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maybe its best i dont play the rest of the format

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if its that common that sucks

shadow wind
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That's what I'm thinking right now

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Oh and bleakwind kills Oger with sharp beak right

molten oasis
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probably, i imagine thats what its for

shadow wind
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Ok wait I cooked

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molten oasis
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huge

shadow wind
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God I'm goated

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