competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

why do you have this

[bold geode]

I took it from you

[stone trellis]

San Francisco... They have Mega Charizard Y in the promotional material... it's 10 years since the last time Worlds took place in SF...

HOLY SHIT WOLFE IS GOING TO WIN WORLDS 2026 WITH THE SAME TEAM AS HIS 2016 ONE

[craggy dagger]

i’ll be competing this time

[molten oasis]

pov the pillow

[bold geode]

Me when I lose 10 games of Rivals

[molten oasis]

10? that happens at 3

[late lodge]

I feel like Vegas is a horrible spot

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/old-people-pressing-buttons-old-people-gambling-old-people-gif-7532496304787656770

[shadow wind]

Why can’t they hold a single regional in Canada that isn’t 18 hours from me

[late lodge]

Email game freek and pokemon about it

[shadow wind]

“Please Mr Pokemon give me a regional in Alberta 🙏🙏”

What my email would look like

[solid frigate]

EUIC here we goooo

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-here-we-gif-26705192

[chrome knot]

please do not make me have to travel to Canadian trumpville

[shadow wind]

It ain’t even that bad here(it is)

[chrome knot]

pass!

[shadow wind]

And even if it was in Alberta I’m still like 4 hours out from Edmonton and 8 from Calgary

So my dreams of not travelling for a regional will never happen

[chrome knot]

bro u live in the middle of nowhere

[shadow wind]

Big time middle of nowhere

But isn’t that just half of Canada if you think about it?

[chrome knot]

anywhere outside of Ontario, 2 Cities in Alberta, & 4 Cities in BC yes

[shadow wind]

It’s literally just because I live in northern Alberta

All the cities are South

Gotta love how big Canada is…

[chrome knot]

they purposefully moved away from you…

[shadow wind]

I wonder why’d they do that

[real prairie]

No England regional

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390426413

Oh my what a game

My opponent played very well

[next stump]

I think EUIC might be in the cards for me this year

It just requires me using one sick day hahaha

“sorry boss can’t come in today”

[solid frigate]

we have bham again

[solid frigate]

see ya in London

[real prairie]

See you all in London

We might end up being the biggest joint community there 🤣

[solid frigate]

i'll probably just tell my teacher that i am sick in Friday

[craggy dagger]

lmao

what did you do for the last one?

[real prairie]

Jokes when you end up on stream

[solid frigate]

i actually did attend class

cuz its just saturday and sunday

[solid frigate]

i mean tbf i kinda just like

whatevs

[craggy dagger]

lmao
morris on stream

teacher is a pokemon fan and watches to see morris on stage

[real prairie]

Teacher loading up the utube vid Monday morning

"this you?"

[solid frigate]

insert Wolfe's reaction to Justin Carris's Bucket Hat

[solid frigate]

i mean honestly my teachers are not pokemon fans

Infact i think no classmates are pokemon fan besides me

[real prairie]

This is what people think before they get caught out 🤣

Famous last words

[craggy dagger]

i wouldn’t
say that…

[solid frigate]

unless they timetable is like i don't have to go to school at friday lmao

[craggy dagger]

i was with a couple friends talking about vancouver regionals and someone passing by overheard and came up to me

[real prairie]

Wolfey vs Torrent game 1 EUIC confirmed

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[foggy lodge]

I only have cassual pokemon fans friends

You know what I want

I want to be friend of someone of my age that plays TCG

[solid frigate]

@craggy dagger nah i'm safe lmao

It closes at Friday 13 which is the date for EUIC lol

[craggy dagger]

nice nice

[solid frigate]

@real prairie I'm crashing into your place lmao

[craggy dagger]

i might consider going…

[solid frigate]

this time i don't want my dad to drive me there cuz its like what 3 hours

i rather go to there by train

[craggy dagger]

shouldn’t you talk about this and organize it before you crash at someone’s house 😭

[real prairie]

I'll make Pizzas

[solid frigate]

we actually talked about it before lmao

[craggy dagger]

oh

[solid frigate]

no pineapple?

[real prairie]

I don't care what you eat lol

[solid frigate]

nah i was saying don't put pineapple on pizza lmao

[real prairie]

I wouldn't, but I don't hate, people can eat what they want lol

[solid frigate]

yeah fair lol

[scarlet otter]

Hey, how are people running Miraidon in TR?

I've dropped vgc for a while and came back

[solid frigate]

scarf set to try set up terrain to pivot out

[real prairie]

Most dont, they will have it scarf and volt switch out for a late game sweeper

[scarlet otter]

Oh so they try to avoid it being in Tr and mainly use it as a damage pivot that can nuke threats for Caly-Ice?

[craggy dagger]

AV tho

[real prairie]

Nuke anything left over late game that survived past the TR

[solid frigate]

relatively same idea but they like to have 2 TR sweepers

[craggy dagger]

a more slow bulky av mirai with ursaluna

[solid frigate]

ok that as well but i just use Mirai CIR example anyway

[scarlet otter]

I've been thinking about Kyogre + Zaca (I love zamacenta)

[real prairie]

To my place? You want pizza too?

[craggy dagger]

mebbe
need to check other plans first

[scarlet otter]

Great synergy as Zaca can prevent Caly-Shadow or other spread moves while also having great type synergy and allowing Zaca to not be as threatened with fire attacks

[real prairie]

I just realised this is a Ludicolo joke

[craggy dagger]

though i’d be flying from a different continent lol

[solid frigate]

LOL

[real prairie]

@craggy dagger you and @chrome knot DW haha

Big party at mine 🤣🤣🤣

[bold geode]

Just looked
Vegas is also 4 days

[real prairie]

What can I say, I cook with Ludicolo

[solid frigate]

i might do something different if its not double res rerun

if it is double res rerun

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-il-imbibitor-lunae-imbibitor-lunae-dhil-gif-14131620448711189449

[real prairie]

If we go back to Reg H I'm laughing with my Ludicolo set I have now

[stone trellis]

You've heard of SwordFish, now get ready for ShieldFish.

[shadow wind]

Shieldfish has been pretty common recently

[solid frigate]

i might just play Sylveon Garchomp tailroom

[dense latch]

shieldfish did better than swordfish at naic which is kinda funny

[scarlet otter]

Yh lol, I remember scarf Kyogre beating down my Groudon over and over 😭

[dense latch]

it's a fine duo

[real prairie]

That me? Lol

[scarlet otter]

Bruh

Kyogre was always so good into all my teams since SW to SV

[solid frigate]

its just Kyogre doing Kyogre things

[real prairie]

I'm kidding, just because I use scarf whale lol

[solid frigate]

i just run slow Spout Kyogre because i am funny (It works)

[scarlet otter]

WHO SLAPS SCARF INTO A SLOW WHALE (I know it's good)

[scarlet otter]

Tanky kyogre is even more annoying cuz in closed sheets it's never expected

[solid frigate]

mine is just mystic water don't worry

[scarlet otter]

I have to add that to my rat notes hehe

[scarlet otter]

Still tank evs are surprising in closed sheet

[shadow wind]

Did I hear Groudon?

[scarlet otter]

Cuz I'm always expecting scarf

[scarlet otter]

Yh, proud Groudon user here (mainly used it cuz shiny + looks cool + decent into prime Zacian)

[solid frigate]

this thumbnail is comedy gold

[real prairie]

252 SpA Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 156 SpD Groudon in Sun: 176-208 (100.5 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

In the sun!

[solid frigate]

kyogre the boi

[scarlet otter]

Don't remind me of that

[solid frigate]

oh yeah i forgot you run Timid Scarf for one purpose alone

[real prairie]

Outspeed stupid horse

[stone trellis]

Is that Specs or...?

[real prairie]

Nope

[shadow wind]

Tera water

[stone trellis]

Bloody hell.

[real prairie]

Not even mystic water lol

Just scarf timid

[stone trellis]

Imagine Specs Modest.

[solid frigate]

yeah you did say that before so i remember it

I just run Modest Miraidon cuz i love kill confirms

[scarlet otter]

That was my reason for giving up on Groudon Reg G

[shadow wind]

I mean to be fair it's a 150 bp move coming from a mon with 150 spatk and adaptability against a mon that is weak to it and has 90 spdef

[real prairie]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Groudon in Sun: 198-234 (95.6 - 113%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

252 HP and SpDef 😭

That's without tera

[scarlet otter]

Where is the adaptability?

[shadow wind]

Tera water

[stone trellis]

Maybe he means the Tera Water.

[shadow wind]

Makes stab 2x instead of 1.5x

So it's the same as adaptability

I just say adaptability for numbers sake

[scarlet otter]

252 SpA Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon in Sun: 156-184 (89.1 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Am I tripping>

Idk if I'm being dumb or simply too rusty

[shadow wind]

Doubles compared to singles maybe

[stone trellis]

If I ever run Kyogre, I'd probably run Basculegion alongside it.

[solid frigate]

did you saw Gavin Michael's team

[stone trellis]

Just so I can have two ways of blowing things up.

[stone trellis]

Nope.

[solid frigate]

it has both of them

[foggy lodge]

Kyogre Basculegion won a regional

:v

[shadow wind]

Yknow I don't think this was deserved

[solid frigate]

how did Kyogre live a sucker punch is still so god damn funny

[foggy lodge]

wtf

How did that kill

I know sun boosted and crit but Volc is pretty fat on special defense

[scarlet otter]

Why is this becoming a Groudon slander chat 😭

[shadow wind]

After a QD

[shadow wind]

What you mean slander I'm usin the guy

[foggy lodge]

But crit ignores the defense boost

[solid frigate]

Koraidon basically killed 70% of the Groudon players

[foggy lodge]

Oh it was at +1?

[shadow wind]

They QD'd

[foggy lodge]

Then it would make sense yeah

[scarlet otter]

2x para on a groudon

[shadow wind]

Yup yup

[foggy lodge]

Yeah then it's a nuke

[shadow wind]

And I still won !

[foggy lodge]

Specs boosted sun boosted crit basically lol

[scarlet otter]

Yh that fat bycycle just basically took his sun setting advantage RIP

[stone trellis]

Man, I wonder what Band Wave Crash from Adaptability Basculegion doe- HOLY SCALLOP
252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Tera Water Basculegion Helping Hand Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Walking Wake in Rain: 265-312 (78.1 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't kill🥀

[solid frigate]

Groudon uses the sun defensively most of the time,which is beneficial in terms of double res

But Koraidon does that and also offensively which kinda makes Groudon kinda obselete in MOST cases

[foggy lodge]

I liked my Groudon Jumpluff team

I loved gambling on precipice sleep powder turn 1

[scarlet otter]

Yh, Koraidon has basically a big nuke button while Groudon mainly relies on sustainability

[stone trellis]

Let's see what it does to Groudon...
252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Tera Water Basculegion Helping Hand Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Groudon in Sun: 212-252 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[scarlet otter]

Issue is, modern offense is too much for Groudon

Basically his main advantage is obsolute since it can't rlly do it properly

And koraidon does way more damage compared to it

Which gives u almost no reason to use

[solid frigate]

its main advantage still gets shafted now that people are running walking wake with Koraidon

[scarlet otter]

Yh, so I'm going to shieldfish

[foggy lodge]

Groudon was better in reg G because it had a good MU against Miraidon and the bulk was better for a single restricted format

[stone trellis]

Is there a pokepaste or a rental code for the team?

[scarlet otter]

I'm gonna go see if I can make this matchup not get shadowed by Caly-Miraidon

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/84c0b7c14de37a87

[foggy lodge]

But now in reg I why use Groudon if you can use a restricted that does hit its 120 BP moves lol

[shadow wind]

Let's not say good...

[foggy lodge]

Idk the only Miraidon MU in reg G that gave me trouble was arubega

[scarlet otter]

Agreed, even in Reg G he was pretty obsolute, only worked at the beggining

[foggy lodge]

And it still was a 50/50 so idk

[chrome knot]

@real prairie it seems i dont have a choice, ill be there

[solid frigate]

lets just say,you kinda have to face the reality is that this MU is like ABYSSMAL

Landorus could be fine in the team,

[stone trellis]

Fire.

[solid frigate]

looks like me and Nova are just watching you two Valentines stuff in London lmao

[stone trellis]

I'll definitely try using this team.

[shadow wind]

I love losing to a double para, lowkey my favourite way to lose

[real prairie]

I'll be real, I still live like an hour and a half from London but you are welcome even if it's just for a visit before / after Euic

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390452134-my70j1efdnts5ljmbj4p1ucbdd0avf3pw

Pffffttt

What a clown with Muk minimize

God bless heavy slam iron hands

[solid frigate]

i'm thinking if i could try buy train tickets for going to london and ask my dad to pick me up in sunday

or idk maybe not

[real prairie]

I'll be driving back up Sunday most likely so you'd be welcome to have him pick you up from mine

Lot easier for him

[solid frigate]

yeah exactly

[real prairie]

I'll need to work out my own accommodation in London so maybe we just pool together and get 1 big airBnB

[solid frigate]

i'll just sleep in the living room cuz why not lmao

[real prairie]

We can sort it out closer to the time @solid frigate @chrome knot @craggy dagger @next stump

[solid frigate]

so 70 for entrance fee,around 20 for train tickets and whatever the fuck i need to pay my share for Bnb

thats honestly not so bad

[real prairie]

Can someone pin this?

[real prairie]

The issue will be all of us getting a ticket. They sell SO fast

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

I have a pin on the competitive discussion wujuu

[solid frigate]

dont worry ill tell my parents about this like few months before the tournament sign up

[craggy dagger]

i’ll let you know if i even decide to go

[shadow wind]

Brev

[pulsar cloak]

P blade those guys

[shadow wind]

I did...

[jade dust]

Can tera water iron hands 1v1 caly ice?

With electric terrain up

[craggy dagger]

i would be surprised if it couldn’t

[jade dust]

Both are very fat tho

[craggy dagger]

one has drain punch
one doesn’t

[jade dust]

But wild charge can probably outdamagr

[pulsar cloak]

one has low kick

[craggy dagger]

and with quark attack, you’d be able to recover more

[pulsar cloak]

one doesn't

[craggy dagger]

if they leech seed then you wanna always use drain punch

in a 1v1 scenario, i wouldn’t click wild charge unless i know that i can pick up the kill or if i know i can live at least 2 more lance/hhp

[jade dust]

Yea I was referring to leech seed

[next stump]

leech seed caly-i should probably win that, depends on terrain turns

[jade dust]

That’s the more annoying one

[craggy dagger]

true

leech seed can stall with protect

[karmic needle]

Whqt is better nature for cresselia calm or bold?

[craggy dagger]

but hands would win in the end no?

the amount of damage that hands does would outdo the damage that caly ice does

wait no
i’m forgetting the leech seed damage

[next stump]

236+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 108-127 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

in terrain, low kick is doing a little over half

[solid frigate]

Drain Punch,Wild Charge,Low Kick

Pick your food

[next stump]

with leftovers and leech seed, you can protect to ensure that isn't a 2HKO

[karmic needle]

Does anyone know best nature for cresselia?

[craggy dagger]

oooh

[karmic needle]

Calm or bold?

[craggy dagger]

terrain only lasts for 4 turns so i guess it would be harder

[solid frigate]

Why do you want to run Cress

[craggy dagger]

depends on what you want

[solid frigate]

but if its like HH Caly Ice

then yes Hands 100% wins this

[craggy dagger]

morris

1v1

[karmic needle]

What is better generally?

[craggy dagger]

wait
calyrex has helping hand???

[solid frigate]

high horsepower

[craggy dagger]

depends on the team

[solid frigate]

bruh

[craggy dagger]

does it need more special bulk or physical bulk.
which would be more beneficial for your team?

[craggy dagger]

hhp

[solid frigate]

on the question

Wtf is the team anyway

[shadow wind]

It's so beautiful

[craggy dagger]

what .-.

do you have mist up-

[shadow wind]

Substitute

[craggy dagger]

OH

[shadow wind]

Why is smeargle using fake out into it getting a speed boost just a true combo

[craggy dagger]

whenever i use it, i always get a speed drop

[shadow wind]

Yknow, maybe pokemon isn't the game for me

The we're so back into it's so over that has been happening more and more recently

[craggy dagger]

just means you’ll have even higher highs but lower lows

[molten oasis]

True

[craggy dagger]

i’m bound to hit some turning point that makes me quit vgc for a month-
i’ve been climbing a little too high…

[shadow wind]

How high?

[craggy dagger]

like
45:12 W:L for a team that i’ve been testing for Drago

my elo doesn’t reflect the win loss ratio tho lmao

[molten oasis]

You should be in like 1500 I assume

[craggy dagger]

zacnala glide spam has holding me back and putting me down

[molten oasis]

Bruh lmao

[craggy dagger]

i’m like
halfway to 1400

from 1300

[molten oasis]

damn

you'll get there

[craggy dagger]

i hope so

that'll be a new peak for me

[chrome knot]

pokeball 4

[spiral ridge]

got a dorito on your team

[chrome knot]

yah :3

[jade dust]

I actually don’t run low kick, I use heavy slam

[stone trellis]

Is Heavy Slam really all that good into CIR?

[shadow wind]

God no

40 BP like max

[stone trellis]

Wild Charge and Drain Punch cover for most teras.

Regardless of which Tera it runs, one of the two moves is always hitting for neutral.

[bold geode]

So the dates for regionals have been fixed

[next stump]

can you link?

[bold geode]

Same one as before

I was notified by someone and I checked, it is true

I pinned the link

[next stump]

what events have changed? The ones I am looking at seem the same

[bold geode]

Milwaukee, Pittsburgh and Las Vegas were showing to be 4 days but now they're 3

[next stump]

Oh I thought the weekends got shifted, I see

[molten oasis]

Vegas is a 3 day event?

https://tenor.com/view/tv-tenna-ant-tenna-antenna-deltarune-gif-9442276538501173676

[bold geode]

Nah you're just a bitch

[bold geode]

[foggy lodge]

Fun fact drago your sticker crashed my phone

[jade dust]

Heavy slam is to OHKO flutter mane and minimize Muk

[balmy glen]

No

Next season is rode to incin

[foggy lodge]

Use perish trap Keanu

[balmy glen]

ur so right

[rustic mountain]

[devout gull]

who is a good counter to Shadow caly

[lean ridge]

incin

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu,Grimmsnarl

[karmic needle]

Is azelf a special or physical attacker?

[dense latch]

azelf shouldn't be seeing the light of day competitively

but it probably goes for special bc psychic is stronger specially

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390605257

I think they are playing in a storm cuz wtf happening

[lean ridge]

i remember seeing azelf at a regional once

it exploded

[dense latch]

sometimes i wonder if my volc secretly has swarm also i love draco meteor

[dense latch]

16 disconnections 😭

[solid frigate]

what does playing Mirai Ogre done to a mf

[pulsar cloak]

Was on stream at Utrecht

But yeah it isn't really all that

The set at Utrecht was tera normal normal gem explosion

[shadow wind]

Maybe the most relatable thing I've seen

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

Reading might not be free

[jade dust]

What am I looking at

[shadow wind]

Goat team

Type a team I be running

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390672952-2dadnmi0uctgmsn7ulqmgoselktcwn9pw

good shit

[jade dust]

How did Miraidon survive earth power

[karmic needle]

What's better for giratina adamant or modest?

[solid frigate]

its a Terapagos without boosts

A Pagos without boost is weak as fuck

[karmic needle]

Does anyone know

I cant decide between modest or adamant since they have the same stats

[solid frigate]

usually modest but just dont run Giratina i beg you (hes my fav legendary i dont want him to suffer)

[karmic needle]

Is adamant not good?

I've soft resetted into adamant but haven't saved yet

[rare pumice]

does a Ditto need to be ev trained or iv trained or anything at all or does it just a copy of everything

[solid frigate]

Incineroar

[karmic needle]

Huhh

[jade dust]

I mean their miraidon

To Landorus

[solid frigate]

AV Miraidon

[craggy dagger]

it’s fine

idk what you’re on-
physical tina is a thing

[solid frigate]

isn't like the most notable giratina we saw is on stream that is special attacking

[craggy dagger]

yeah but

physical tina has a better array of moves

[tiny karma]

Giratina-Origin's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Outrage, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Shadow Claw, Shadow Force, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Slash, Stone Edge, Take Down

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Energy Ball, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Defog, Destiny Bond, Endure, Gravity, Pain Split, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Thunder Wave, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Giratina-Origin.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/469bc7aa17036082

Anyone got any recommendations for this team?

It's been working well for me

Planning to bring it to regionals

[solid frigate]

uhhh regionals and Internationals are already over

the only thing is worlds now

[scarlet otter]

Oh, I didn't check bruh

I was planning to enter tomorrow rip

I guess I'll just run it on ladder rip

[chilly anvil]

Is there a good set for Landrous?

[solid frigate]

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison / Water
EVs: 36 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sandsear Storm / Subsitute
• Earth Power
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390738553

Zacian whale teams are annoying

[chilly anvil]

Oh that’s a dps build that’s cool

[solid frigate]

wdym Landorus is always an Attacker-

[chilly anvil]

Ah it’s not a supporter with intimidate?

[solid frigate]

Lando T is still an attacker just with Intimidate and Pivot in mind

it does not have Incineroar level of support

[jade dust]

It doesnt learn fake out or taunt or helping hand or parting shot

Or knock off

[solid frigate]

it has taunt

[tiny karma]

Landorus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dig, Earthquake, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Fly, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Earth Power, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Sandsear Storm, Scorching Sands, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Block, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Landorus.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

bro has taunt wdym

[jade dust]

Oh ok

I didnt know

@solid frigate Wanna see something cool?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390741447

[scarlet otter]

Yh but not highly common

[jade dust]

Youre a miraidon fan so

[scarlet otter]

Mainly uses pivot + dps

[jade dust]

This was hilarious

[solid frigate]

its actually been picked up for a bit historically, Landorus Therian likes Taunt, even some people would use Landorus Incarate for taunt stuff in recently

[scarlet otter]

I prefer to keep taunt on my centered supports like Incin/Tornadus

But I could see it work

Time to go grind materials for protect (I need 52)

[stone trellis]

How good would the Tapus be if they existed in Gen 9?

[gentle canyon]

Prob ko ko and some others would see some success in lower power formats.

[stone trellis]

Wasn't Koko restricted to using its inferior attacking stat because Game Freak never gave it any good physical STAB moves?

[gentle canyon]

only fairy stab

[jade dust]

It really needs to learn play rough

Idk why they refuse to give it

[stone trellis]

Play Rough needs to be 100% accurate.

Or it needs to have higher BP in order to justify that 90% accuracy.

[next stump]

Tapu Fini would be great for Urshifu

Probably not in a restricted format but in earlier ones

[solid frigate]

and Koko can possibly power up future paradox mons without Miraidon

giving a better chance for them

[stone trellis]

Yeah, we still need a regular (actually good) Pokemon that can set Electric Terrain.

[chrome knot]

had a weird dream where i built a reg i team with hisui typhlosion

[stone trellis]

So like, a sun team?

[solid frigate]

pls don't lol

[chrome knot]

it was like

scarf typhlo whims korai ursaluna ? cir

[solid frigate]

this is why i never let myself dream of me teambuilding

[chrome knot]

i don’t control like any part of my brain

[jade dust]

90% accuracy isn’t that bad

[solid frigate]

i just kinda force myself to not dream of building teams lol

[jade dust]

But if they remove the possibility to cause an atk drop on the opponent and make it 100% accurate would be nice

[stone trellis]

Until you realise that Moonblast, its special counterpart, has perfect accuracy, 5 more BP and three times the chance of its secondary effect activating.

[jade dust]

But seriously why they fuck don’t they give Tapu Koko play rough

Are they that fucking dumb

[stone trellis]

Obviously.

Either that or they just don't want to make physical attackers good.

[chrome knot]

special attacker?

[jade dust]

Koko already has to deal with intimidate

Let it have play rough

[stone trellis]

With 115 Attack and 95 Special Attack.

[jade dust]

^

[chrome knot]

when ur move pool is ass you become a special attacker yeah

[stone trellis]

The only reason it's special is because it doesn't have good physical moves.

[chrome knot]

it was like tbolt dgleam

[jade dust]

Just give it wild charge and play rough

All it needs

[stone trellis]

Like, imagine a world where Chien-Pao doesn't get access to Sacred Sword, Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Crunch, Sucker Punch, Ice Spinner and Throat Chop.

That's Tapu Koko.

[chrome knot]

uh

[jade dust]

115 atk isn’t even that high anymore

Not when paradox exist

It gets iron head and U turn

So it could be good physical sub dps

Also acrobatics

If it holds electric seed or an item it can consume

[stone trellis]

Too bad it doesn't get the two moves it'd love to have the most.

[jade dust]

Well it actually gets wild charge

It just doesn’t get play rough

[stone trellis]

At least it gets that.

[chrome knot]

@solid frigate https://pokepast.es/e68bbe3b1d4dc127

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-i-will-not-be-hearing-you-out-gif-10605797140088394224

[chrome knot]

lmfao

[rare pumice]

if a stat says No Good in the judge menu, that means it's 0 ivs right?

[next stump]

Yes

[rare pumice]

I guess I just got the 0 speed pokemon I need for future trick room pokemon then

[chrome knot]

which is

[rare pumice]

I mean for breeding, so I can pass down the iv. I just caught a raid pokemon and it happened to have 0 speed

[chrome knot]

in which the end result is gettinggg

[rare pumice]

there are a few options I am considering I guess. I'm not sure yet

[solid frigate]

i mean what mon tho

[chrome knot]

“a few”

[rare pumice]

I didn't have anything in mind yet, it's just that I wanted to be sure no good meant 0 so when I get started on it, sorry

[next stump]

don't apologize

[solid frigate]

its just me want some specfication its aight

[chrome knot]

being curious is fun

[rare pumice]

I know Torkoal was a good user of it at the beginning of gen 9 so that was the first one I considered other than the prominent choice of Indeedee

but I was also thinking of Hatterene as well just because I'm familiar with it I guess

[bold geode]

Aight what bullshit will I wake up to today

[bold geode]

NO NOT THE STIMKY TEAM

[chrome knot]

it came to me in a dream

[stone trellis]

If mythicals become legal in VGC when Champions comes out, do you guys think that Mew will be used with Transform?

[next stump]

I don't think so, it wasn't very good in SWSH when it was legal

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

Aside from Arceus, which mythical would be the best?

[dense latch]

back in swsh i think magearna was the only one that was rly used

[next stump]

Magearna (or however it's spelled) was strong

Volcanion is also not bad

[stone trellis]

Figures.

[dense latch]

steel fairy good

[stone trellis]

Steel-Fairy with 130 Special Attack and Fairy-type Draco Meteor?

Yeah, I can see why that would be strong.

[next stump]

It also has a crazyyyyy ability

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 801: Magearna

Types

Steel/Fairy

Abilities

Soul-Heart

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/95/115/130/115/65

Total

600

Other Formes

Magearna-Original

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dense latch]

soul heart is busted

[tiny karma]

Ability: Soul-Heart

This Pokemon's Special Attack is raised by 1 stage when another Pokemon faints.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dense latch]

like if final gambit ape gets a KO that's an instant +2

[next stump]

You could max steel spike, pick up a KO, and get +1 DEF and SpA instantly (and even more if your ally or their other pokemon faints)

[chrome knot]

LMFAOOO

holy shit

[dense latch]

i think some ppl ran explosion strats too for a similar outcome

tho that's riskier

[next stump]

yeah I think there was explosion zereora running around

whatever that electric monkey thing is

with the also broken ability

[chrome knot]

electric monkey thing

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 807: Zeraora

Type

Electric

Abilities

Volt Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/75/102/80/143

Total

600

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/Qbos8Qs4zpU?si=4cpKmXDY4W1lQwYy

[dense latch]

o shit yea plasma fists then explosion is electric type

[next stump]

when I was playing that middle evolution tournament the other day, I had no idea what 80% of the pokemon were called

[dense latch]

holy

[next stump]

I only know VGC pokemon hahaha

[stone trellis]

I wonder if Jirachi would also be good because of Serene Grace.

Then again, being weak to Ghost and Dark is kind of a big deal.

And the stats aren't exactly optimised.

[chrome knot]

real asf

except not rly i think id pass the name ever mon quiz

[next stump]

I am also so bad with base speed stats

Like I have no idea what base 80 speed actually equals as a final stat if you max it

[chrome knot]

me

i dont know speed tiers of mons outside the meta

[dense latch]

there's probably some mid stage evo from like gen 8 id miss

[dense latch]

idt i could even finish the 151 realistically tho

[stone trellis]

I think it's 145 at level 50 and 284 at level 100.

[next stump]

one of the other players in the tournament had the middle evolution of Vivillion

[dense latch]

spritzee

[next stump]

first time learning that was a pokemon

[dense latch]

spewpa

that just doesnt sound like a pokemon

[next stump]

It was lowkey insane, rage powder friend guard user

[dense latch]

u cant convince me this is a pokemon

[stone trellis]

Is Spewpa frailer than Clefairy?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 665: Spewpa

Type

Bug

Abilities

Shed Skin, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

45/22/60/27/30/29

Total

213

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 35: Clefairy

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/45/48/60/65/35

Total

323

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

substantially hahaha

[stone trellis]

Yeah, this thing is not worth it.

The only stat that's better is Defense.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 664: Scatterbug

Type

Bug

Abilities

Shield Dust, Compound Eyes, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

38/35/40/27/25/35

Total

200

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

is clefairy the lowest BST pokemon to win a regional???

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 546: Cottonee

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

40/27/60/37/50/66

Total

280

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

ope that is lower

[dense latch]

it only gets a 13 bst boost when evolving from scatterbug 😭

[bold geode]

I remember some but not a lot for sure
I actually start with speed stats for EVs

[dense latch]

the numbers 49 205 and 222 will stick with me forever

[stone trellis]

And 307.

[next stump]

final stat numbers are so much easier for me

49, 169, 189, 205, 222, etc.

[chrome knot]

fuck 205

[next stump]

even like 8 0 with incin/farig/etc.

but wtf does base 50 speed mean

167 was a big one in the beginning of SV, and I think Garchomp hits 169?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 635: Hydreigon

Types

Dark/Dragon

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/105/90/125/90/98

Total

600

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 445: Garchomp

Types

Dragon/Ground

Abilities

Sand Veil, Rough Skin (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

108/130/95/80/85/102

Total

600

Other Formes

Garchomp-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.2

[stone trellis]

167 is base 100, so that makes sense.

If you want to know what a Pokemon's maximum Speed is at level 50, just use x * 1.1 + 57, where x is the base Speed.

[rare pumice]

do critical hits ignore the stat drop from burn?

[next stump]

nope, burn just halves the base power of your physical moves

it doesn't impact your attack stats

[rare pumice]

thank you

[solid frigate]

@real prairie

[bold geode]

Rayquaza John Deere 100x better

[karmic needle]

Sorry just saw so should i get adamant or modest?

[real prairie]

@astral kelp https://youtu.be/bwxlrfQpD9E?si=f9-lP08zI_t7Yjfp

[molten oasis]

Tf lmao

[solid frigate]

we love Kyogre Mobile

[craggy dagger]

preference

[bold geode]

@next stump did the invites roll out?

[next stump]

no

you'll see them all over twitter when they do

[karmic needle]

What's better generally?

[bold geode]

I'm seeing em though

I'm seeing the tweets

[next stump]

oh shit hahaha you're right they are sent

[bold geode]

Pog

[next stump]

They gave a guy in EU an invite after someone dropped who was above him

hopefully yotam gets one

[bold geode]

EU submitted a ticket on that

Trying to ask him

[craggy dagger]

up to your preference

[karmic needle]

Whats your preference then

[craggy dagger]

it’s
the cresselia thing all over again.
it really depends on who you’re running the team with
but i’ve seen more physical tina more than special.

[chrome knot]

honk

[craggy dagger]

honk

[chrome knot]

honk

[craggy dagger]

honk

[chrome knot]

panic (!)

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2391005461-pvmqu2aoig7ej7amworw20hb37sry9jpw

[bold geode]

Bakawk

[real prairie]

Kyomobile

is there a desktop client for Showdown?

[solid frigate]

Showdex?

[real prairie]

no like showdown, but on desktop. used to be a downloadable client for it

[solid frigate]

i dont think so

its always website

[dense latch]

i remember having that

idk if it still exists but it at least was a thing

it prob does still

[real prairie]

ahh the desktop and android apps got pulled for copyright

guess Nintendo will let it slide but only so far haha

[craggy dagger]

homk

[solid frigate]

my reaction to this team:

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-boo-gif-1281926785517906930

[bold geode]

Now this one
This is funny

[chrome knot]

honk

[bold geode]

Key

[solid frigate]

im gonna send you more microtransactions

[bold geode]

You gotta pay a micro transaction to do so though

[solid frigate]

i already did that twice on Pokemon go

[real prairie]

At least we arent competitive PoGo players... $20 for a gold bottlecap 😭

[solid frigate]

im getting raid passes just to get shiny Zacian and Zamazenta lol

[real prairie]

thats not bad though, they are like a dollar each or some shit

$20 is MAD

[next stump]

GO has gone in such a shit direction

it's really sad

[real prairie]

It did what it did to survive through Covid and then backtracked thinking once people could play frrom home they would want to go back outside again lol

[solid frigate]

the best Go fest i gone is the 2023 where Hoenn’s Go fest take place

Primal forms man

[real prairie]

they would have been better off riding it out and then doing a HUGE marketing push once covid lockdowns ended

[real prairie]

That Brockwell park?

thats the only one i went to

[solid frigate]

I just go for Global Go Fest

[dense latch]

whatt

competitive go seems horrible to get into

[solid frigate]

its basically just pay to win

and its probably even more expensive than VGC and TCG

[dense latch]

i don’t get the competitive aspect but that’s prob just my ignorance speaking

i’ve heard abt smth called counting which im assuming is counting basic attacks so you know when the big attacks are coming but thats it

[real prairie]

there is a level of skill to the timings of your moves and when to block and when not to, but if VGC is Chess, Pogo is checkers

[solid frigate]

nah pogo is just spamming

[real prairie]

when they added stat drops and buffs and 2nd moves it added more skill

but its still very basic

[solid frigate]

also no immunities

and wdym Geomancy is a basic attack

[astral kelp]

Holy shit scovillain my beloved

[lean ridge]

Swift swim Kyogre looks dangerous ngl sucks that luvdisc is a horrible pokemon 😭

[astral kelp]

Uhh Idk

That's kind of a fucked team LOL

[molten oasis]

[astral kelp]

It's really funny how there are 4 support pokemon 💀

Also koraidon doesn't really need spicy extract to one shot everything idk

[jade dust]

Well that is clear amulet

With collision course

[solid frigate]

throw that to the garbage bin

[bold geode]

I FOUGHT THAT SHIT, IT'S FUCKING HORRID

[lean ridge]

💀

Give Kyogre specs and put a sneaky pelipper in the back to set the rain back up

[bold geode]

I hated it so much

[foggy lodge]

Hitted 1500 and I don't aim for much so gonna release the sauce https://pokepast.es/e80687bfde580ada

[solid frigate]

its just feels ass as well

[left bobcat]

The use of both bikes is insane

[astral kelp]

Yeah but if you want him to one shot might as well go the one shit build

And for what 28 hp 4def 4spd

[shadow wind]

We could go big on big but I'm one of the biggest

[foggy lodge]

Damn lok

[solid frigate]

lore accurate Entei

[foggy lodge]

And through friend guard

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-terminal-montage-battle-royale-entei-explosion-gif-14160215

Literally this

[left bobcat]

ERUPTION SPECS ENTEI

NO-

SUN ERUPTION 252 MODEST CHOICE SPECS TERA FIRE ENTEI ERUPTION

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/sasisu_memo/status/1937491794574688365

さしす (@sasisu_memo)

NAIC/PJCS2025 使用構築 グラードン＋ミライドン 解説 | す @sasisu_memo #note https://t.co/5fC9YaJsG8

X · Jun 24, 2025, 12:43 PM

[shadow wind]

Me when I have a scarf and specs

[shadow wind]

I understand it now !

Wide lens with will o wisp is kinda wild

But I respect it

[shadow wind]

Sometimes I think about how Ursaluna was conceptualized

"Ok so how about we make a pokemon that has the perfect speed for trick room, give him an unresisted type combo for stab, give him one of the greatest abilities ever, stab facade, oh and don't forget he needs to have insanse stab moves so lets create a new move for the guy"

[foggy lodge]

Its such an absurd mon

It just doesn't make sense how they allow something like that to exist

[shadow wind]

Like honestly

[cyan smelt]

How about calyrexes, two abilities, one is beast boost and the other doesn't let you use berries, and spread moves that don't miss

[shadow wind]

That's a restricted though

Yes it is incredibly broken

But you only get to use one of them and sometimes ONLY them for your restricted

Ursaluna runs the block in any format that it is in

Especially when we can compare it to mons like Arcanine...

[cyan smelt]

Don't worry, plza will probably introduce something even more broken

[jade dust]

Miraidon learns overheat?

[shadow wind]

Yea

[jade dust]

Maybe that’s a good idea to kill those Rilla piece of shit

That refuse to die to helping hand Draco meteor

[shadow wind]

Or just have a mon like Volcarona that destroys Rilla

[jade dust]

I have ogerpon hearthflame

If I can bait them to fake out and switch in Fari to Ivy Cludde

[next stump]

miraidon overheat doesn’t do as much to rilla as you may think

run the calcs with grassy terrain up

I don’t believe it’s a one shot, or even really super close

[shadow wind]

Not without sun

252+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Overheat vs. 244 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 170-202 (82.5 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Better than I thought actually

[next stump]

yeah I’m used to timid mirai, modest almost gets it

and might get some less invested rillas

but that’s a big gamble

[shadow wind]

Yeah that was just the first Rilla set I saw

Yo this guy is lowkey the goat

[cyan smelt]

What do U do against kyogre

[shadow wind]

I have a Miraidon

[cyan smelt]

What about ogre caly i

[shadow wind]

Bro just trynna ask me every MU

Ion know dog I figure it out

[cyan smelt]

That's a fairly common one isn't it

[jade dust]

At least they invest all of Rillaboom’s EV into Sp Def so it has no chance to live physical moves

Me when they switch in rillaboom into a glacial lance

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390648796?p2

[jade dust]

[shadow wind]

Wait you said Kyogre CIR

Helping hand electro drift is my solution

116+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 226-267 (109.1 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[jade dust]

I just run max HP and max Atk on caly ice

Isn’t that the best evs for trick room sweeper?

[shadow wind]

Not best but they work

A lot of people are dropping atk on CIR for bulk

[jade dust]

But I already barely miss kills with max attack

[cyan smelt]

People stall out tough mus with leech seed

[solid frigate]

its the first attempt of making a fucking dlc mon

Of course they try to make them broken

and honestly idm facing them

[cyan smelt]

They nerfed regieleki but not calyrexes

[solid frigate]

what can we say

Main focused Restricted legendaries from DLC

and tbh idc

they need nerfs sure,but i am fine on fighting them

[shadow wind]

They nerfed CIR

Glacial Lance was 130 BP in Gen 8

[cyan smelt]

That was just to bring it in line with calyrex shadow

[foggy lodge]

It was because it was physical

And they knew Incin completely cooked it

Top 4 worlds of that year used white herb CIR

[shadow wind]

Still nerfed

Imagine Pblades went up to 130 BP

[cyan smelt]

wicked blow also got nerfed didn't it

or was it surging strikes

[foggy lodge]

Yeah wicked but only by 5 points

[shadow wind]

Hey 5 points matters

Imagine if all the elemental punches were 80 instead of 75

[foggy lodge]

Thunder punch hands,,,

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

supercell slam…

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/6302e0dd450be973

Im having a really good run today with this team

Tho can someone help me with the evs? Im still not sure if Im wasting points

[craggy dagger]

don’t think you’re wasting any
though a 4EV spread tends to be awkward

[jade dust]

Yes its just the leftovers after maxing 2 stats

Oh yeah one note is caly ice has 2 ivs on speed

To move after iron hands in trick room

So iron hands can chip them and then caly get the kill

And iron hands recovers more from drain punch if it attacks first

[bold geode]

Farig is wasting

128 isn't one of the numbers

124 and 132

[jade dust]

So I should do 124 on each def and the rest in Sp Atk?

[bold geode]

Also technically Hands HP is a bit off too but I see what you did there

Spdef

Rest in Spdef

[jade dust]

Alright

Yeah I just remembered

I have electric seed

And yeah with iron hands those evs are wasted anyway

[bold geode]

Ik what you did

[jade dust]

Not wanna put them in Sp Atk and definitively not speed

Interesting team

[chilly anvil]

Is ChatGPT a good tool for competitive advice? Like builds and stuff

[jade dust]

I recommend wathcing videos from competitive players instead tbh

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2391281410

Fuck damn

Grassy terrain cuts my damage output heavily

[chilly anvil]

Oh alright

Is hyper offensive Ho Oh a viable choice?
I love seeing those sun boosted sacred fire one shots

[jade dust]

Ho Oh has below average speed so most use it defensively

Because it has pretty good HP and high Spc Def

And a high attack

[chilly anvil]

Oh I see
If I support it with a Tailwind Tornadous, is the lower speed not as bad of an issue anymore?

[jade dust]

Well it gets better but if you want tail wind you can use your own tailwind on Oh Ho

Tho recover is good as well

For attacking moves you definitively want brave bird and sacred fire

[chilly anvil]

My Moveset is Sacred Fire, Brave Bird, Earthquake and Recover

[jade dust]

Then protect

[chilly anvil]

Get protect instead of EQ?

[jade dust]

The last can be tailwind or recover

Yes you definitively want project

And tera grass or tera water

[chilly anvil]

I run it on 252 ATK 252 speed, so is the recover still as important?

[jade dust]

If you want to invest in speed then use tailwind

Recover is only really if you invest in HP and Def

[chilly anvil]

I don’t need the Ho Oh to use tailwind since my Tornadous has a priority one

[jade dust]

I think you can replace Tornadus with a different mon since you only have 6 slots

But you can use earthquake then

If you arent using tailwind

[chilly anvil]

So final moveset is Sacred Fire, Brave Bird, EQ, Protect since I have a different priority tailwind, right?

[jade dust]

Yeah thats right

[foggy lodge]

Absolutely not

[shadow wind]

I asked it if Kyogre or Groudon was better and they said Kyogre so I can't trust it anymore

[foggy lodge]

What was its reasoning

[shadow wind]

Luckiet Zacian of all time

Whatchu mean you hit, crit, then dropped attack

Impossible odds

[molten oasis]

Literally impossible

[shadow wind]

170 attack 😔

Do I look like him kinda dog 😔

[foggy lodge]

Outspeeds Calyrex LMAO

I love when IAs straight up lie

And when you tell them that they are wrong and ask for more examples only to give even more wrong examples

[chrome knot]

aur naur

[shadow wind]

You played against them? Or just spectating?

Brev

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[shadow wind]

+1 defense on Volc too

It's a 2.25x damage boost when you crit through +1 right?

Holy L GXE

But there it is guys, I proved I can do CTS

[chilly anvil]

How can I counter play a rain time if I’m using a sun team?

[shadow wind]

You can hold your sun setter in the back so that you can win the weather war but also you can have designated mons that are good into rain

Like when I use Groudon against Kyogre I love using Raging bolt because it resists water

[chilly anvil]

Oh I see, yeah it’s a great option

[shadow wind]

AV Raging bolt especially makes Kyogre hate life

[stone trellis]

If I had Raging Bolt, I would always use it.

[chilly anvil]

Although my ego won’t let me play raging bolt since it’s never shiny

[shadow wind]

AV Rillaboom is also good into Kyogre

But if you have a sun team Rillaboom can be iffy because now you have 2 mons weak to ice

[stone trellis]

Bolt is also weak to Ice.

[shadow wind]

Yknow I meant to also mention the fire weakness but stopped typing halfway through my point

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that makes more sense.

And Rilla's most common Tera Type is Fire, which doesn't exactly help against the Kyogre matchup.

[jade dust]

The AI was probably referring to Caly ice

[jade dust]

Give sunny day to tornadus

[chilly anvil]

Rn his moveset is Icy Wind, Taunt, Tailwind, Protect.
Which move should I change?

[shadow wind]

Why icy wind?

I would run bleakwind over that

[jade dust]

Why icy wind

The whole point of icy wind is speed control and you already have that on tailwind

@chilly anvil

Protect isn’t needed either if you have cover cloak. Actually tornadus dying can be good for you because allows you to switch in your damage carry

[chilly anvil]

Oh I see

That’s interesting yeah, icy wind doesn’t do a lot if I already have speed control

[chilly anvil]

Also because if I get taunted, then at least I won’t struggle

[foggy lodge]

Always bleakwind on Tornadus

Unless you are using it with Tornadus and you are worried about wide guard where you can use hurricane

[waxen dock]

you can maybe use a manual sun setter like whims or torn

[solid frigate]

or pivoting

like thats the whole point of playing weather as a whole

[chilly anvil]

I put sunny day on my Tornadous I think it might work

[jade dust]

It’s very unlikely you’ll get taunted before you tailwind

Run max speed and timid

[solid frigate]

if you go max speed torn then yyes

[jade dust]

Why wouldn’t you

[waxen dock]

maybe use bleakwind and protect is only necesary if you are not covert

[chilly anvil]

Oh okay

[jade dust]

Max speed max sp atk

I don’t see the reason to invest in bulk or anything else

It’s often better for tornadus to faint

Specially the in non rain teams

[waxen dock]

yes

[chilly anvil]

Btw how should I build Landrous?
Therian form with Bulk or the other form?

[solid frigate]

Incarnate

[waxen dock]

Use incarnate

[solid frigate]

no reason using Therian unless you hate Incin and love Gen 5

[jade dust]

Dying to an icy wind doesn’t help either

Landorun can’t intimidate and pivot when iron bundle or flutter mane 1 shot it

For using a supportive move

[solid frigate]

usually just run Double Genie

thats what i run most of the time cuz Lando likes TW

[rare pumice]

are there any pokemon that use rising voltage in any format

[left bobcat]

Glitter

[left bobcat]

Thundurus

Wait nvm im thinking about eerie impulse

[next stump]

almost nothing gets the move

[stone trellis]

What does Rising Voltage do again?

[rare pumice]

it's electric version of expanding force

[next stump]

it doesn’t turn into a spread move

it just doubles base power to 140 from 70

[rare pumice]

oh ok, sorry

i think i misunderstood a wiki page or something

[next stump]

I think the only pokemon who gets it is raging bolt

[rare pumice]

I thought a bunch of pokemon get it from the sword/shield dlc as a move tutor move, did they nerf it by limiting its availability or something

[next stump]

yep they super nerfed it

just Bolt gets it

and then you'd need to run Raging Bolt and Miraidon which is typing overlap

[solid frigate]

also like Bolt+Miraidon is like do you want more food for CA Caly Ice

[tiny karma]

Miraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Slam, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Supercell Slam, Take Down, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electro Drift, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Overheat, Parabolic Charge, Power Gem, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confuse Ray, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Miraidon.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[rare pumice]

is reg I two restricteds or one?

[next stump]

two 🙂

[chilly anvil]

Two restricted means you can have two of those in your team?

[rare pumice]

indeed

[chrome knot]

popped off in mkworld now i get to enjoy long vgc break

[chilly anvil]

Thought Regi Pokemon aren’t restricted

[chrome knot]

they aren’t

[rare pumice]

reg i as in regulation i, sorry

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/cf2173d8745c6912

Any opinions in my ShieldFish reg I team?

[chrome knot]

it was fine till i scrolled down

should just be scarf ursh

kyo goes tera grass

[scarlet otter]

K I'll switch that

[scarlet otter]

Idk about that, I've been trying it out and it doesn't fit in my team as much as I like

Chien Pao already gets rid of my counters

My other supports are essential

Btw Racihu is tera fairy

[chrome knot]

raichu does nothing, even bolt would be better😵‍💫

[scarlet otter]

Lighting rod support with fake out

Makes Kyogre very solid into Miraidon my hardest matchup

[chrome knot]

dont wanna be that person but

positioning well kyogre has a pretty good miraidon mu

[scarlet otter]

Imo it's hard to outposition a good Miraidon player

[chrome knot]

also id prob ev zam to live +2 psychic

[scarlet otter]

Psychic for Caly-S?

[chrome knot]

yes

[scarlet otter]

I'll change the evs

Raichu is staying though since he can tank specs Miraidon draco meteor

[chrome knot]

👍

[scarlet otter]

One question though, should I go tera fairy or tera flying Raichu?

[chrome knot]

fairy so in this random dreamworld we can at least be immune to miraidon

[scarlet otter]

K

[bold geode]

Hai Emma

[chrome knot]

hii

[foggy lodge]

84 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Raichu: 168-198 (100.5 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

xd

Oh wait doeeees 252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Raichu: 139-165 (83.2 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Max investment + item to barely survive it tho xd

[dense latch]

just barely wow

[plush lark]

My buddy wanted me to make a team with typhlosion, nine tails, tyranitar, torterra, skarmory, and swampert

Any ideas on how to work that?

[dense latch]

what format?

[plush lark]

He initially said singles, but I know nothing about singles

[waxen dock]

Simple answer it cant

Oh

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2391579287 grasspon my goat

[scarlet otter]

Yh barely but it’s working surprisingly well somehow (I’m surprised too tbh)

And I’m playing against a friend who has placed well in a lot of regionals using meta teams

I mainly keep him on bench and bring him against Miraidon teams in the back

Pivot him in when opponent locks electro drift with specs or for fake out support

Use volt switch to pivot as a middle speed mon

[stone trellis]

It's crazy to see something as broken as Flutter Mane basically flipping burgers now.

[dense latch]

wdym lmao it won a regional less than a month ago

still one of the most used non restricteds

[stone trellis]

11.7% usage is still pretty low for it of all things.

[shadow wind]

That is not low 💀

[stone trellis]

Emphasis on "for it of all things".

[dense latch]

i mean it’s very similar usage from what it had in reg g

[foggy lodge]

All the regular mons dropped in usage from reg G -> reg I

[dense latch]

at the top level at least

[foggy lodge]

Just because you can use a restricted on that slot instead of a regular mon

[dense latch]

it’s honestly more surprising that it kept most of its usage going into reg i

[shadow wind]

Raging bolt literally got tossed

Because now everyone can just run Miraidon in his place

[stone trellis]

I'm pretty sure it's mainly used in CSR-Zamazenta teams.

[dense latch]

nah raging bolt is different

it’s not like mirai replaces it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[stone trellis]

It serves a very different role, as far as I'm aware.

[dense latch]

it’s almost synonymous with csr zama like paul said

[foggy lodge]

But yeah I think its mainly used for CSR

Even with Zama CSR or Korai CSR

[dense latch]

yea bolt was csr’s most common partner in naic day 2

just over half of all day 2 csr naic teams

[stone trellis]

So RB and CSR are like John Williams and Steven Spielberg.

[shadow wind]

My point was a team doesn’t need Miraidon AND Bolt

[stone trellis]

Obviously.

[shadow wind]

And a lot of teams now have Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Imagine thunderclap miraidon

My next koraidon team will use choice specs raging bolt

[stone trellis]

The one thing stopping Miraidon from going completely wild is the ability to get out of the 205 Speed tier without sacrificing its power.

Chien-Pao has priority moves, Flutter Mane has Protosynthesis and Koraidon has Flame Charge.

[bold geode]

Nah
Raging Goat

[chilly anvil]

Is Oricorio viable?
The Dancer ability is pretty funny

[lofty tartan]

Not really.

[lucid pendant]

Does neutralizing gas turn off the special attack boost part of hadron engine

[next stump]

yes, it shuts off the electric terrain and the boost

[lucid pendant]

But what if miraidon sets up electric terrain

[next stump]

it’ll turn off the boost

[lucid pendant]

Have you tested this yourself

[next stump]

no, but that is how weezing works

miraidon's boost is tied into its ability, it's not a permanent boost

it's very similar to the other protosynthesis/quark drive boosts

[real prairie]

I think i might be cooking something:

[foggy lodge]

Did Mega Latias/Latios ever see competitive play?

[left bobcat]

In the current format? I don’t think so

[jade dust]

Not really, only Charizard, Gengar, Mawhile and Kanghaskan were used

And Rayquaza

I actually expect mega Rayquaza to be top restricted in Champions

[foggy lodge]

Mega Banette🙂

[jade dust]

It has an open item slot so it can mega and hold clear amulet