competitive_discussion

[dense latch]

how long have the players been seated already damn

[bold geode]

SHOHEI

This lead probably favors Shohei's opponent tbh

Eh actually better for Shohei now

Yeah Shohei is in the driver's seat

Hmmm
Wonder what boost

Not gonna see lol

[molten oasis]

welp, the team is perfect ig

[foggy lodge]

Let's go Shoheiiii

Another w for Miraidon Lunala

[bold geode]

Best of 3 iirc

[foggy lodge]

Yeah top 8 is bo3 ots

And open nature

[bold geode]

And they're gonna take 20 minutes in between lol

[bold geode]

At some point the team will be as good as you can get it, it comes up to you as a player to execute

[molten oasis]

I mean yea, you’re right

[foggy lodge]

If it works for you it works

[molten oasis]

I can see Grimm over Fari but I just think the options for dealing with double fake with what I already have, sucks

Idk I’ll figure it out

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/DarkTypeDarsh/status/1936440261644824980

Darsh Patel (@DarkTypeDarsh)

If your team is not trash, comfort is always better. There is an amazing quote - "if something works do more, if it doesn't do different." Take what works and do more. My Take. As growing player, higher chance youll be better with 1 team over 1 month, than trying 10 new ones.

X · Jun 21, 2025, 3:05 PM

[bold geode]

Brother's quoting Darsh smfh

[molten oasis]

Wise words

[bold geode]

Still don't know about the guy as a person, but I gotta admit he actually does have skill

But anyways
I think it's good to try other archetypes and other things, but at the end of the day comfort is better too
You at least need to try different things to learn about em

[molten oasis]

I did

[bold geode]

Speaking generally

[molten oasis]

There was a couple weeks of just trying other stuff, oh ok

[late lodge]

How fragile is offensive landorus

[molten oasis]

Like no bulk? It can take a hit but explodes to like, Tera fire flare blitz, Mirai Draco, just strong hits

[bold geode]

Game 3

[foggy lodge]

tbf what neutral target takes those hits

[molten oasis]

uhhhhh

assault vest incineroar

[pulsar cloak]

Tfw tera bug u-turn does something

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

I feel powerful when I click tera bug u-turn

[bold geode]

Huge game 3 for Shohei

[foggy lodge]

Did Kinugawa lost

[solid frigate]

me in Reg I be like

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/itsMutaTV/status/1936529816867508419

Muta (@itsMutaTV)

X · Jun 21, 2025, 9:01 PM

Can I have a pokemon showdown version

OK FINALS IS BETWEEN ZEEN AND UMBRA LET'S GOOOO

FUCK BO1 CHEESE

[molten oasis]

soon my friend

we will have champions soon

if champions isnt what we want it to be imma cry

[foggy lodge]

I hope champions lets me play weezing dozogiri again

[molten oasis]

you're disgusting

YOU CAN DO THAT NOW WDYM

[foggy lodge]

thanks

[foggy lodge]

but reg I is not funny

[molten oasis]

so you like making people suffer ic

[foggy lodge]

Ban legendaries again tbh lol

[molten oasis]

honestly, valid

[foggy lodge]

I liked 1 restricted

2 is too much

[torn parrot]

Uh huh

They always laugh at me

For being a simp

If there’s perish to be had, wolfey can do it

[jade dust]

White Kyurem and ANinetales got me by surprise

That team is so bulky and I don’t have weather on my team so they get a guaranteed aurora veil

Draco meteor failed to OHKO tera ice kyurem

It’s gonna be hard with Miraidon volt switch, U turn Rilla and parting shot incin and grimmsnarl

[foggy lodge]

But

That video is not of reg I

[bold geode]

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1936202192974667976?t=5GkrO1UEGD1U7MqkEFvRgA&s=19

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick)

The current Pokemon ruleset is probably in the top 3 hardest ones I've ever played - maybe even 1 or 2. Hope I can figure it out by Worlds, it's honestly so difficult

X · Jun 20, 2025, 11:19 PM

[foggy lodge]

Ngl I think perish trap is dead lol

[torn parrot]

Wait what

[foggy lodge]

But who knows its wolfey he can absolutely make it work

[torn parrot]

Uh oh

[bold geode]

If you look at this and think he brings Perish in Worlds, you're genuinely insane

[foggy lodge]

Its the global challenge video

[torn parrot]

delete delete delete

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Bruh didn't fact check LMAO

[foggy lodge]

Its still a cool video I have to end it

As a little spoiler he found a choice band cir

[torn parrot]

It is still a cool video tho

[dense latch]

i’ve watched a bit of his content and he honestly seems pretty genuine, really appreciate he’s putting out really good team reports collabs with other strong players

do think his first few appearances were kinda weird

ofc he very well could be different off content

[foggy lodge]

For myself I found a life orb cir while playing drago's team

I lost becaue farigiraf didn't take the glacial lace

[torn parrot]

Deleted successfully nothing happened

I got too excited

!!!!

The hype was too real

[foggy lodge]

And also like

If he would play perish trap for reg I

He is not gonna release it in a random youtube video

[torn parrot]

I genuinely thought he brung perish to reg I when I saw the comments

I’m so embarassed right now LOL

[foggy lodge]

lol

Its okay

It was funny

[torn parrot]

My impulsiveness makes me silly

[solid frigate]

he's kinda addicted to Koraidon rn

[torn parrot]

Oh yeah? I wonder why

I dunno anything about this reg I’m just along for the ride

[solid frigate]

idk i kinda mentally drained when i play Miraidon Kyogre

I kinda stopped playing

[jade dust]

At least better than those leech seed stall sets

[torn parrot]

@dense latch how’s the climbing been

[solid frigate]

i love Gen 5 Genies

[dense latch]

had a few bad tilts so i stopped for a bit, gonna try to pick ladder up again soon

[torn parrot]

Damn I’m sorry I hope it goes better next time

Format seems very difficult

[dense latch]

nah it’s okay, it happens

im just gonna switch up the sets a little

i miss struggle bug lefties volc

[torn parrot]

Good luck!

[solid frigate]

its a format that you can't really change teams smoothly unless you are like MDB levels of Cracked

[torn parrot]

I still havnt been motivated to try this reg

Maybe but not really feeling it

[dense latch]

i felt so lost when i started the format

took me a while to get double restricted tbh

[torn parrot]

How do you mean?

[solid frigate]

@torn parrot

[dense latch]

comfort is goated tho i may take it a little too far

i stick with the same team for months

[solid frigate]

i just stick to Miraidon Kyogre cuz its comfortable yet can be strong if i play my position Game well

[next stump]

I'm the same way

I think that is the move

[torn parrot]

This does make sense tbh

[solid frigate]

same but i tried 2 teams for fun

Never made an actual blog about them besides Miraidon Kyogre who i have 100% confidence on

[dense latch]

i spent most of reg h on pult sneasler, most of reg g 2.0 on cir lando eleki and now cir mirai volc

[torn parrot]

That’s how I’d been with reg G

I made 1 team the entriety of the format

Then another one when it came back then no more

[dense latch]

there’s so many sets for the six i’m using tho so it’s tough

like im still not sure about scarf vs specs mirai or eseed vs lefties volc

[solid frigate]

reg G i'd argue has more freedom of switching archetype than Reg I

[torn parrot]

Sheesh

[foggy lodge]

You are always on the bullshit brothers duos❤️

[solid frigate]

so yeah this format is hard (But its my second best performed Format lmao)

[foggy lodge]

I liked reg G probably my favorite sv format

[dense latch]

i’ve felt it’s a bit easier in reg i bc you can keep one restricted you’re comfortable with and switch up the archetype

like how i tried mirai zama for a bit bc i got comfortable with mirai

[foggy lodge]

Just ended a bit tired from it but if there was a format I would go back once in a while it would be reg G

[solid frigate]

Reg F-G is Peak SV VGC imo

[dense latch]

reg h was prob my best performing but i’m honestly enjoying this format so far

more than reg g probably

[torn parrot]

Interesting

[jade dust]

Is iron valiant better physical or special?

[solid frigate]

Miraidon has like

4 good pairs lmao

And others are a bit worse or not usable in this economy

[solid frigate]

support

[foggy lodge]

More like 7

[jade dust]

But needs an attacking move at least

[dense latch]

tho i’ve only played three formats this gen lmao so it’s a small pool

[solid frigate]

i just use the worse pair for like whole reg I for now

[dense latch]

go with spirit break

[torn parrot]

I’m glad to hear it
How long we have left in it

[foggy lodge]

I think that if you want to play with 2 special restricteds the best is lunala mirai

If not the only good double special restricted duo

[solid frigate]

i mean i throw my team and fight against Jeudy before

I'm not too bad lmao (Despite got fucked over)

[dense latch]

the format ends in september i think

[foggy lodge]

Overall I would say physical+ special is the best

But Miraidon Lunala is the best duo of the format

[solid frigate]

its almost always like the best way to play Double Res

Physical Special>Double Special>Double Physical>Lugia

[foggy lodge]

Like the two ways of playing mirainala are the way to play two special restricteds

Oh and pagos mirai is also like fine

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

I just don't like pagos anyways lol

[torn parrot]

So im hearing
This format is super difficult
But more fun than reg G

This is tempting to play

[solid frigate]

and i just like Don't get the hype over Pagos Miraidon lmao

[foggy lodge]

And you know why this format is difficult

[torn parrot]

But I have 0 inspiration

[foggy lodge]

Because of the goddamn tera i hate tera in this format

[dense latch]

based

[craggy dagger]

i wouldn’t say super difficult
you just have to be more aware cuz of the second restricted that’s applying pressure
but the pacing is also super fast

[solid frigate]

its fun in almost all the wrong ways lmao

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

[torn parrot]

Yeah iv definitely noticed that

Lotta big damage thrown around

[solid frigate]

its kinda expected honestly for Double res

[foggy lodge]

Not too many things take an astral and body press

Outside of like av mons ig

[solid frigate]

or Horoark

[torn parrot]

Oh yeah anybody find a good answer for that?

[foggy lodge]

There's just too much damage but there's also ways to play different from obliterate everything

[foggy lodge]

tera bug assault vest incineroar

Deadass is that

And grimmsnarl ig

[torn parrot]

And then you say something like that and then I think maybe I should just wait for Gen 10

[solid frigate]

honestly i just throw a Grimmsnarl and Foul Play CSR if i can lmao

[foggy lodge]

What I would say is like

[solid frigate]

or just Surging Strikes Urshifu

[foggy lodge]

If you like a more controlled way to play

[torn parrot]

Oh wait I read that differently

[foggy lodge]

The concept of like support restricteds is a staple of all gs cup formats

[torn parrot]

I thought you said not many ways to avoid being obliterated

[foggy lodge]

And its used now with scarf mirai, eseed lunala, encore csr

Those things

Leech seed CIR ig counts but not really

[craggy dagger]

yeahhhhhh

[foggy lodge]

Its meant to chip things for mirai

[torn parrot]

Man that sucks

[foggy lodge]

And also keep itself on the field and those

[torn parrot]

the incin I mean

the incin solution sounds terrible

[craggy dagger]

but imo, the speed battles and fast pace is what makes it fun-

[foggy lodge]

Eh tera bug incin is good you retain your rock weakness and the only rock move of the format is ivy cudgel

[solid frigate]

thats like Tera Bug hands but you have Intimidate

[torn parrot]

I know it’s just burning a tera for your team just so your support isn’t nuked

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode do you remember the teraing out of the rock weakness by clicking tera bug

Yeah

That's why I kinda don't like the format

[solid frigate]

whatever it takes to win a game ig lmao

[bold geode]

LMAO

[foggy lodge]

Its a super difficult format

[bold geode]

That's just not knowing type charts

[torn parrot]

for sure seems like it

[solid frigate]

i think i have Tera Every single Pokemon in my Restricted team besides Grimmsnarl

[bold geode]

@spiral ridge we calling you out

[craggy dagger]

@spiral ridge
sounds familiar

[solid frigate]

lol

[bold geode]

Cough cough

[craggy dagger]

[torn parrot]

I can’t tell if I woudl love this format or rant about it

[bold geode]

[torn parrot]

Who knows

[torn parrot]

How u been doing monkster

[craggy dagger]

for a lot of people i know, it’s been both lol

[solid frigate]

its solid once you get the hang of it honestly

[foggy lodge]

Just try it

[torn parrot]

Maybe your right

[bold geode]

Dying inside nah actually low-key we doin good

[foggy lodge]

You'll know when you try it you have to form your own opinion

[solid frigate]

but yeah play around Grimmsnarl Screens

[bold geode]

I love the format

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-gif-951039481942021057

[foggy lodge]

I hate the format

[spiral ridge]

:(

[solid frigate]

i kinda lean towards liking the format

[torn parrot]

Def some mixed feelings

[spiral ridge]

look man i dont know bugs typing chart at all ok

[torn parrot]

but maybe a good thing the feelings are mixed

[spiral ridge]

i just know it resists fighting

[solid frigate]

L /j

[bold geode]

Get fucked nerd

[foggy lodge]

Monke do you remember when I encore stalled your thunderclap

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

:(

[solid frigate]

now Scotty knows the reason why Volcarona can't live a rock slide

[bold geode]

Yeah keep yourself safe bro

[foggy lodge]

Sure thanks bro

[bold geode]

Ok I gotta ask btw
Who is Murin

[spiral ridge]

gigi murin

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

[bold geode]

Is Vtuber right

[craggy dagger]

basically
gura 4.0

[bold geode]

No one can compare to Gura

[craggy dagger]

the short gremlin of holoen generation 4

[bold geode]

Oh I see

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[foggy lodge]

I'm playing the 2d mode of dragon quest it looks so bad that its funny

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

i should play a different game

[bold geode]

I loved Dragon Quest 9 on the DS

[foggy lodge]

I have to play the 8

[bold geode]

Sentinel of Starry Skies or whatever

[craggy dagger]

okay!

[foggy lodge]

They say is super good and I also love the design of the protagonist

[bold geode]

Me on my blog now all the time

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

basically lol

[solid frigate]

bro is gonna use Iron Thorns just to prove me wrong lol

[bold geode]

Just saying
Next post gonna be long too

I like the longer posts
Lets me yap more and I like to yap about mons

[solid frigate]

CSR Zama moment

[craggy dagger]

any “don’t use this pokemon”
is a challenge

[solid frigate]

Iron Thorns is actually just have no saving if i am being real

[bold geode]

Bestie, would you love me if I was a worm

[solid frigate]

monke when there is no food in storage

[craggy dagger]

why would i not?

[spiral ridge]

why would you now

[solid frigate]

anyways

[torn parrot]

Anybody ever try kyogre calyrex ice?

[molten oasis]

it won a regional

[torn parrot]

Wild

That’s cool

Actuallly not that wild still cool tho

[bold geode]

Nice

[bold geode]

Leech Seed Caly and it won Portland, actually pretty cool team, had Basculegion for CSR Zam

[bold geode]

Me hungy now

[torn parrot]

Seems like if you build a team you really do need to figure out an easy way into that matchup

Also I saw that paste it looks fun

[bold geode]

CSR Zam is a top contender rn if not the #1 contender

It's 1 or 2

It and Mirai Lunala are both up there in the very top contention

[foggy lodge]

Those are the best archetypes

Naic finals was literally that

Japan nats finals is that

Juniors finals now

[dusty bison]

Guys what item should i give miraidon?

[solid frigate]

Specs,Scarf,Assault Vest

[dusty bison]

Ty

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Lunala is just pain

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389475109

Ogerpon hearthflame is broken lmao

Didnt need a crit

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389484943

Almost throw the game

[mighty stump]

actually Zekrom Necrozma is new meta

[molten oasis]

[gentle canyon]

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389503684

I cant believe how rng was this game

[dusty bison]

Guys can u recommend me a pokemon that helps armorouge

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389509073-jev6f6fy6504b6mhnu0ja8djfqfag7ypw

I cant believe I won this game

super clutch comeback

[gentle canyon]

You want pay spam or no?

[sharp cobalt]

I love getting paid spam

[mighty stump]

Good ol Nigerian Prince emails from 2000s

[chrome knot]

tofu

[bold geode]

Damn you right

[left bobcat]

ZEKROM?

woah when was this happening

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389583206-rc75smlf9j2tp514ifghxubi13d2fxppw

Fuck smeargle

I’m glad it died

[late lodge]

Any thoughts on tank sweeper blunder policy volcarona

[next stump]

for double or single battles?

[wintry scarab]

Is it still possible to get the Wolfies Inceneroar?

[next stump]

No 😦

you can maybe trade for it

[wintry scarab]

Oof, alright ill try to shiny hunt When i get the switch 2 then

Since they said its easier there

[next stump]

It is definitely quite a bit easier, the game runs faster and loads more pokemon

[wintry scarab]

I tried to shiny hunt with my Cousins Oled and it was Miserable

Hows the competitive scene atm?

[next stump]

Always fun 🙂

[late lodge]

Doubles

[next stump]

you’re better off just running leftovers with quiver dance to set up sweeper volcarona

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1936831805782642963

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

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🇺🇸 @actornadoboy
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X · Jun 22, 2025, 5:01 PM

[torn parrot]

im 4 chapters behind on one piece

[stone trellis]

You know, I've tried making a team whose whole purpose is to counter CSR Zama teams.

Would anyone like to help me test it out?

[silent jacinth]

im so glad tera fairy xerneas isnt in this game

[chrome knot]

so what about literally any other matchup

[stone trellis]

It doesn't matter.

[chrome knot]

except it does...?

[stone trellis]

I hate CSR-Zamazenta and I want that team style to die.

I never intended for the team to be good in general.

[chrome knot]

ok👍

[foggy lodge]

Too bad that csr zama counters don't exist at best you will get a 50/50 MU lol

[stone trellis]

Hence why I said "I tried".

[chrome knot]

sun

[stone trellis]

Skeledirge is one of the few things that actually counters Zamazenta pretty damn well.

[foggy lodge]

From what I've theorized Scream Tail should be like decent into CSR Zam

You can disable astral barrage and it naturally just shits on Zama if it heavy slams you disable and if it body press you encore

[stone trellis]

Hold on, you're cooking.

Which restricted Pokemon have the best matchup against CSR Zama?

[chrome knot]

csr korai

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[foggy lodge]

Agati used Koraidon CSR Scream Tail

[stone trellis]

What's the optimal EV spread and item for Scream Tail?

[foggy lodge]

Booster energy 252 HP 252 speed

Or atleast that's what I used because I didn't want to lose against other Scream Tails

If you find a good speed benchmark or some necessary calc you can change it

[stone trellis]

Alright.

So we have Koraidon, CSR, Scream Tail and Incineroar.

The Imprison + Wide Guard Iron Valiant is speaking to me like the Green Goblin mask 💀

Nevermind, that won't work.

[solid frigate]

and this is the reason why you don't prepare ffor only 1 matchup

[bold geode]

I am reading something

Interesting

[bold geode]

Can't believe someone tried replacing Incin with Chi Yu on the MiraiNala team
Incin goated there

[stone trellis]

This is completely unrelated to that.

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389521566-e95ht7906ijevthuj9gx13llrm2drmspw

[left bobcat]

Oh no bro

[jade dust]

Those imprison caly ice

[foggy lodge]

QD Volc won

[jade dust]

Think they are better

[left bobcat]

Volc better

Struggle bug has been doing wonders for me

[foggy lodge]

Clicking tera grass CIR and TR while having Miraidon in the back and knowing you have your own is one of the plays of all time

[stone trellis]

What set do you use?

[shadow wind]

Expected

[left bobcat]

FLARE BLITZ

Fiery dance
Struggle bug
Quiver dance
Protect with leftovers

Tera grass

[jade dust]

Yee ikr

[jade dust]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regi-2389850815

I was tempted to tera water fari but Im glad I didnt so I could save it for iron hands

I really needed iron hands to survive long to preserve my miraidon

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389960076

[eternal wave]

I’m about to get calyrex for the first time on sword and shield, do I need both the rex and steed to be 0iv or only calyrex?

[solid frigate]

Caly only

[lean ridge]

When u catch it it will be fused already and the speed IV that u see will be the only one that matters

[cloud gyro]

Is Gouging Fire still viable in the current format?

[solemn flicker]

Not really tbh. It gets outsped by alot of other Legendaries and doesnt hit as hard as you want it to. This is all ofc using it solo but paired with a Tailwind user, max speed and maybe something like Choice Band and High Atk stat, maybe it could put in work but thats ofc having invested alot of team building ideas around it.

Also its Dragon/Fire typing makes it still take heavy neutral hits from Water types like Water Spout Kyogre in rain, other dragons beat it like Miraidon, Koraidon and more. Lastly, physical attacker means that Intimidate user can cut its damage output a bit.

Im looking to build a Sand Team that can counter the current meta.

[bold geode]

Doesn't exist

[solemn flicker]

Wait til I build it and then it does

[bold geode]

Good luck with that
Gonna need it

[solemn flicker]

Luck doesnt exist

[bold geode]

?

[solemn flicker]

Luck aint real

[bold geode]

Nah it definitely real

[solemn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-19567619

[stone trellis]

Say that the next time you miss Metal Sound five times in a row during a Tera Raid.

[solemn flicker]

Damn that is tough. In Tera Raids that is tough.

[waxen dock]

he should have used g lance instead of tr in turn 4

[solid frigate]

its not really because of Damage output or speed cuz that thing can Nuke and booster Energy can help on its speed

Its just the only NICHE thing it can do is Howl with Physical Attacker,which something Scarf Urshifu that can still do solid damage and Iron Valiant who can support with WIde Guard or Encore

but Gouging Fire can only do one thing and it does it pretty mediocre

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1020: Gouging Fire

Types

Fire/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/115/121/65/93/91

Total

590

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

like 115 atk stat can still nuke if you have sun also boosting speed

but as an Attacker you already HAVE Koraidon

[solemn flicker]

Yea I get what you mean. I was thinking more of those speedier offensive physical versions I have seen in the ladder. But yea there are just better options on that. I agree.

It sucks too because its typing is kinda nice vs the fairy and ice types. Like doesnt have to worry too much about Dazzling Gleams or what not one-shotting it.

[foggy lodge]

Its time to revive focus energy ogerpon

[solid frigate]

maxi no don't give me PTSD lmao

[stone trellis]

Especially since it has pretty good natural bulk.

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gouging Fire: 172-203 (95 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Yea nah

you have to give him bulk to live one

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but you don't have to invest most of its points there.

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 76 HP / 76 Def Gouging Fire: 160-188 (84.2 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Minimal Spread if somehow they run Adamant on Korai

its not worth it

[cyan smelt]

How much does a tera fairy dazzling gleam from miraidon do

[stone trellis]

Probably more since it has way lower Special Defense.

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gouging Fire: 123-145 (67.9 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is with Nerfed Spread move

[cyan smelt]

That's heaps

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Fairy Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gouging Fire in Electric Terrain: 132-156 (72.9 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And this is with Electro Drift

[cyan smelt]

Meteor beam from lunala would just annihilate it

[shadow wind]

Gouging fire mention??

I love that dude

[solid frigate]

100+ SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gouging Fire: 93-111 (51.3 - 61.3%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

no meteor beam still 2HKO

but whatevs

[stone trellis]

So basically, if it's a non-STAB move, that shit won't OHKO.

[solid frigate]

lets look at the Dogs

[shadow wind]

Technically meteor beam becomes stab with the +1

[knotty mirage]

If i want to build lunala is 0 speed necessary for it to work ?

[shadow wind]

Nah it can function with full speed

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[solid frigate]

+1 196+ Atk Tera Fairy Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gouging Fire: 156-184 (86.1 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+1 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gouging Fire: 102-120 (56.3 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yeah no-

[shadow wind]

I don’t think either of them OHKO ever

[knotty mirage]

So build it with max speed and sp attack ?

[shadow wind]

I meant full speed IVs

[stone trellis]

What item are you running?

[shadow wind]

You don’t really want Lunala that fast if you’re planning to run trick room

[solid frigate]

i'm just adding Tera Fairy cuz its close

[knotty mirage]

I'm not building it yet

[shadow wind]

And if you aren’t running trick room then run CSR

[shadow wind]

Bit unfair but I guess they would usually Tera out of the fire weakness

Burning bulwark !!

[knotty mirage]

But prolly a red herb

[shadow wind]

Nah that move is so trash it’s not even funny

[solid frigate]

excuse me what

[shadow wind]

What do you mean I can be paralyzed through my protect

[shadow wind]

Power herb

[knotty mirage]

Ah yeah i mean that

[shadow wind]

For meteor beaming it

[stone trellis]

He means a Power Herb.

[solid frigate]

Nebby (Lunala) @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 12 Def / 196 SpA / 12 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Trick Room
• Wide Guard

I just run this

Spread should be near identical to my teammate in teambuilding Group that also play Korai Lunala

just slightly slower

[shadow wind]

Why so fast?

[stone trellis]

I never liked MB Lunala, man.

[shadow wind]

92 speed doesn’t that hit like almost outspeeding scarf chi yu in tw?

[solid frigate]

tthats the funny part,my Korai Lunala team is Tailroom

[stone trellis]

Way above that, to be honest.

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t say way above but yeah it hits like 130 or something

[solemn flicker]

How it started vs how it ended lol

[solid frigate]

129

[stone trellis]

You're outspeeding it by 8 whole points in Tailwind if Chi-Yu is Timid.

[shadow wind]

You know for Lunala having a weird speed stat I’m happy I’m close

[solid frigate]

outspeeds most RIllabooms

[shadow wind]

I’m head calcing it by the way I had no idea how fast it actually was

[solid frigate]

iirc Rilla does not run faster than 127 idk i have to check it later

[shadow wind]

All I know is that Groudon needs way too much speed invest to outspeed scarf Chi yu

[shadow wind]

I mean it makes sense

Koraidon doesn’t function in trick room

It can function in trick room only against CSR or Flutter

[stone trellis]

So Lunala runs TW and who runs Trick Room?

[solid frigate]

i just run Groudon with the same identical spread for Kyogre (Except just invest on SPD and AtK

[solid frigate]

its not Lunala lol

[shadow wind]

They posted the set actually

[stone trellis]

Oh, right.

[shadow wind]

It’s probably something like Whimsicott or Roaring moon to set tailwind

[shadow wind]

Yeah except Groudon cares about speed a lot less

Or Volcarona, forgot there’s a good amount of tw setters right now

[solid frigate]

thats why its the same

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

I love not utilizing water spout potential

[solid frigate]

feedtheorca (Kyogre) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Protect
• Ice Beam

Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 100 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• Bulk Up
• Protect

[shadow wind]

What is even the point of running water spout with 112 speed

You get outspeed and undersped so often

[solid frigate]

slower than Normal Lunalas,Especially Mirai Lunala

[shadow wind]

Right and so when they have an Ursaluna threatening an OHKO that’ll matter

It just seems lazy to copy and paste because they have completely different play styles

[solid frigate]

you do realise this is the SAME Kyogre spread i have for my main team

https://x.com/TorrentAegisVGC/status/1924922590377676887

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC)

Kyogre is beating the Physical Bulk Allegations

#kyogre #koraidon #incineroar #landorus #Pokemonvgc

X · May 20, 2025, 8:18 PM

[shadow wind]

And that’s supposed to mean anything to me how?

I’m not following everything to really know these things and just because you made a Groudon set doesn’t mean too much for “comparing them”

[stone trellis]

I want to try that Koraidon-Lunala team out, actually.

You got a pokepaste or a rental code?

[shadow wind]

Not to be rude or anything but saying “I use this for my real team” doesn’t hold a lot of value

But anyway

[solid frigate]

i have the paste but just not perfected

[stone trellis]

What's the issue?

[solid frigate]

not good enough

[stone trellis]

Does it have a bad matchup into anything specific?

[solid frigate]

its inconsistent

what i need is consistency

[stone trellis]

Run Moonblast instead of MB.

Never rely on inaccurate moves.

[shadow wind]

Fairy fire is pretty awesome pairing offensively

Although I’ve found that with that flutter mane ends up feeling kinda pointless a lot of the time

[stone trellis]

Then just... don't run FM.

[shadow wind]

Only really being used as an icy wind bot

I’m just talking about this as I’m looking at their team

And flutter mane is really frickin awesome

Like probably one of the best tools sun has ever had

I wish they made a fire type that functions in rain instead of a water type that functioned in sun

[stone trellis]

Paradox Torkoal maybe?

Something like Fire-Water with a signature Fire move that gets stronger in rain.

[shadow wind]

I just hate it when people tera grass in the rain

I’m literally just complaining because I play a bad restricted

Walking wake is a really great concept

[stone trellis]

Who, Groudon?

[shadow wind]

Yessir

So I’m solving the Tera grass in rain epidemic with Chien pao

But imagine I had an 80 BP fire move that got boosted by the rain

[stone trellis]

Only issue is that any Rapid Strike Urshifu can blow up its guts in rain.

[shadow wind]

Literally anything can that guy is made of glass

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[shadow wind]

Praise be my lord and saviour

[stone trellis]

So is it Sash or Life Orb?

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

Why is it not moving

[stone trellis]

It is.

[shadow wind]

Ok my phone was killing itself

It’s sashed

[stone trellis]

Is RB Life Orb or AV?

[shadow wind]

It’s actually safety goggles

I have the AV on wake

I’ve been thinking about changing it to lorb but that might make the team too aggressive I think

The team is also still in the same place it was when I originally made it but I’m working out the issues

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animal-dancing-cat-cat-kitty-cute-gif-1879301708244436198

"Dance if your the GOAT"
Raging Bolt:

[shadow wind]

Quite literally

https://pokepast.es/1e77aa1df4cbca93

This should be the most recent version of the team, not 100% sure cause I just grabbed it from a dm cause mobile moment

[stone trellis]

Sub on Zacian?

Bulk Up on Groudon?

[shadow wind]

It’s experimental but yes

[stone trellis]

Damn, this man is crazy.

I'm almost considering running Skeledirge and battling you just to see if it can blow up Zacian with Torch Song.

[shadow wind]

I’m still on the fence between bulk up and high horsepower

[shadow wind]

What would be the point of this

[stone trellis]

Because Substitute is bypassed by sound moves.

I wish there was a Steel-type sound move, man.

[shadow wind]

But why would I ever have Zacian in the sun against a fire type

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[shadow wind]

The team feels very aggressive

Only one support mon feels ehh

But Volcarona the goat so oh well

[stone trellis]

The only Pokemon I can see being replacable is Walking Wake.

[shadow wind]

But even then wake does absolute numbers against CSR with the fast snarl

It also quad resists water which for a Groudon team is a godsend

It’s a weird situation but I bet I’ll figure it out

[stone trellis]

It's a shame that Slither Wing didn't have base 109 Speed.

Imagine Iron Moth, but if it was a past paradox.

[shadow wind]

Now give it fire type first impression

Like I’m not asking for that much

[stone trellis]

Or a Fighting-type pivot move.

[shadow wind]

Just anything

Fire type flip turn would be awesome

[stone trellis]

And keep it exclusive to SW because we don't want Koraidon to have a reason to hold Choice Band.

[shadow wind]

Too bad fire is neglected

Sun is not the favourite child

Even with the paradox mons

I bet when they discussing new Restricteds they have a Kyogre plush in the middle of the table and they’re all saying “Ok but let’s now make Kyogre obsolete”

[stone trellis]

Primal Kyogre embodies that idea.

Literally no one was running normal Kyogre when that was around.

[shadow wind]

Dang I meant to say “not” not “now” 😔

Cause they love that dude

Like what is even water spout man

Oh yeah stab water spout after you’ve already set up your own rain

Seems fair and balanced to me

[stone trellis]

Kyogre and Rayquaza are having the time of their lives in singles (and doubles in the case of Kyogre) while Groudon is flipping burgers with Solgaleo.

[shadow wind]

Koraidon made him flip burgers

Actually precipice blades made him flip burgers

[stone trellis]

That and losing the ability to go Primal.

[shadow wind]

If Pblades was 100% accurate I swear he’d be meta

[stone trellis]

Plus the lack of a Pokemon that sets Gravity upon switching in.

[stone trellis]

The best Pokemon are the ones which never rely on inaccurate moves.

So it makes sense.

[shadow wind]

I think the only exception is Miraidon

[stone trellis]

It has one inaccurate move.

And it's not even the one it likes to click the most.

So it doesn't rely on them.

[shadow wind]

But I’m trying to think of another restricted that uses an inaccurate move

Kyogre Opulse I guess

Lunala Meteor beam

[stone trellis]

Kyurem-White when snow is off.

[shadow wind]

I was talking good Restricteds

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's my point.

Even Kyogre rarely relies on clicking Origin Pulse.

[shadow wind]

Water spout is sooo good

Need me one of those but a physical ground move that’s boosted by the sun

Come on GameFreak I’m not asking for too much here

[stone trellis]

So P-Blades but 150 BP, perfect accuracy and with the same behavior as Eruption?

Yeah, that might make Groudon viable.

[shadow wind]

Yup !

See how stupid that sounds

Then you realize Kyogre HAS that

[stone trellis]

Game Freak hates physical attackers.

[shadow wind]

Like probably the biggest nuke in the entire game

Or highest potential for it anyway

[shadow wind]

Oh 100%

Moonblast exists

[stone trellis]

The only physical-attacking legendary that didn't succeed despite its nature but because of it is Ice Rider Calyrex, but it's fucking CIR.

[shadow wind]

Meanwhile the elemental punches are a lot of mons’ best options

I mean Zacian was awesome

[stone trellis]

I think just buffing those up to 85 BP would do wonders.

[stone trellis]

And then they nerfed it into the ground.

[shadow wind]

85 would be a gift from god

I could then safely run fire punch on Groudon

Cause a 40 base power heat crash on Zamazenta and CIR does not cut it

Non stab too

[stone trellis]

"B-but it gets sun so it does have STAB!"

[shadow wind]

Me when Kyogre gets to click Water spout and does 60% to walking wake

Like Kyogre doesn’t even need to worry about intimidate

And it has better special bulk so CSR naturally struggles more into it

And it resists glacial Lance

[stone trellis]

If I ever end up making a fangame, I'm 100% going to make the strongest legendaries be physical attackers and buff the already existing ones that need it the most.

[shadow wind]

I just want Groudon to be liked a little bit more

[real prairie]

Groudon's 2 biggest issues are: It wants to be a fire type but isn't and It has Gen 3 disease of having a mixed moveset but a shit stat distribution

[shadow wind]

I think his stat distribution is fine

He’s a little slow but he has 140 defence

Like he isn’t min maxed or anything but neither is Kyogre

[real prairie]

Honestly, just have Pblades be a special attack and make Groudon and Kyogres stats identical. then it can at least try to make use of Eruption

if you wanna keep the defence and SpDef flipped, thats fine

[shadow wind]

It still wouldn’t be stab so it’s doing way less

And then Kyogre just hogwashes the guy even more

[real prairie]

Its at least useable with Tera / Mega evo

[shadow wind]

Hitting into the bulkier defense

[stone trellis]

The paradox version of Groudon I've made is basically just the ideal version of Groudon.

It's a near dedicated special attacker, it's Fire-Dragon and it gets Eruption + sun.

[shadow wind]

The ideal version of Groudon is the one in my heart ❤️❤️❤️

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390070850

[shadow wind]

So what Koraidon should’ve been

[jade dust]

These disable scream tail teams

They think they can get me

[stone trellis]

Koraidon could've been physical, but Fire-Dragon would have made it 100 times better.

[real prairie]

Koraidon makes more sense as a physical attacker than Groudon does imo

[jade dust]

I think I played really well that game

[real prairie]

Groudon's imagery simply doesn't scream "ima punch you" or "charge into you".

[jade dust]

It was tricky but with good positioning and speed control I beat them

[shadow wind]

Ground is a physical thing though

[stone trellis]

You know, if both of the babies of the weather trio were special attackers, then Rayquaza would be allowed to have actual bulk (or worse yet, a usable Speed stat) because it'd have to be physical.

[shadow wind]

Water is a liquid to be splashed

The ground punches water splashes

[jade dust]

Its a T Rex looking red monster with sharp claws

Of course it should be physical

[shadow wind]

Cause Groudon isn’t the Volcano Pokemon he’s the continent Pokemon

Primal Groudon was on demon time though

[stone trellis]

Primal Groudon brings me Shin Godzilla vibes for some reason.

[shadow wind]

A single weakness in desolate sun

He had ops bro

[jade dust]

Primal Groudon gets 150 Spc Atk for some reason

So eruption is viable

[shadow wind]

Yeah people ran it with earth power too

[stone trellis]

If the Primals are allowed to Terastallize once Champions comes out, they will be unstoppable.

[shadow wind]

Groudons done for with this guy

[real prairie]

Primal groudon and kyogre probably could have stuck around tbh with the state of the mons we have nowadays

maybe with just drizzle and drought though

[stone trellis]

Me when dual primals:

[jade dust]

If megas are allowed will be ridiculous

[stone trellis]

Primal Reversion is different from Mega Evolution, isn't it?

[shadow wind]

Not really

[real prairie]

did the primals take up your mega slot in old VGC? or could you mega with another mon too

[jade dust]

It works the same but they are a separate thing yes

Primals need to hold a special stone to transform

[stone trellis]

They didn't take up a Mega slot.

[jade dust]

But megas you click a button

And primals dont take your mega

[stone trellis]

Hence why Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre should be able to terastallize.

[real prairie]

does it work the same? you don't activate it, its just on. so more like alt form like Dialga, Palkia and Giritina

[jade dust]

Both just need a special stone to transform and the antimation looks similar

[real prairie]

and should be allowed now! 😭

[shadow wind]

They come out and they have a crystal around em

[jade dust]

Primals transform as they switch in

[shadow wind]

Then the crystal breaks and badaboom you got the most broken things ever invented

So CTS you don’t know if it’s primal or not

[cyan smelt]

why did crafty shield get removed? did they not want crafty shield smeargle again

[tiny karma]

Move: Crafty Shield

The user and its party members are protected from non-damaging attacks made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

this kinda defeats the whole reason to use Pdon if they nerfed their abilities

[real prairie]

well still fixes groudons typing and stats

[shadow wind]

Heck no it don’t

[real prairie]

and brings them close to modern power creep

[shadow wind]

Quad weak to water??

[real prairie]

in a game with tera

[jade dust]

Pdon?

[shadow wind]

That guy dying to bubble gun in the sun

[shadow wind]

Primal Groudon

[jade dust]

AH

[stone trellis]

What if another Pokemon you have needs that Tera more?

[solid frigate]

one thing

Weather Trio with Primals/Megas still nuked by Miraidon and Koraidon

[real prairie]

itd end up being a tera hog like it is now

[solid frigate]

like primals do not need to get nerfed when modern restricteds can just nuke them

[shadow wind]

Miraidon could literally OHKO both easily

[solid frigate]

And Tera Electric Specs Miraidon can OHKO Mega Ray within a roll

[shadow wind]

Yup

[real prairie]

can you "trick" the primals?

[shadow wind]

Which is why lightning rod mons will actually be used next gen

[solid frigate]

if miraidon is in Gen 6

All hell break loose

[shadow wind]

No

[stone trellis]

Damn, it would be pretty funny if M-Ray could somehow outspeed Miraidon with a certain move.

[shadow wind]

Not so sure

[solid frigate]

Extreme speed?

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[shadow wind]

Xerneas is amazing into Miraidon

[real prairie]

bummer, was already planning prankster trick scarf primal kyogre for Champions 🤣

[stone trellis]

Literally just give it Sash, SD and E-Speed and you're good.

So long as you don't get doubled up.

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 64-76 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 128-151 (72.7 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 165-195 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

I was just about to point that out.

Fuck me, man.

[solid frigate]

pretty sure one of Miraidon's best partners is the answer of Priority moves

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[solid frigate]

and Primals+Megas

Can't' Tera Out of their typing (At least in showdown)

Which overall Helps Miraidon's Situation more than helping the gen 3 bois

[stone trellis]

But if we're adding partners, who's to say that Mega Rayquaza wouldn't also have a good counter to Farigiraf on its side?

[shadow wind]

Chien pao !!!

[stone trellis]

Which also destroys the terrain.

[jade dust]

Question about Miraidon, is choice specs the only way to use it? I hate to not be able to protect to fake out if Fari went down

[real prairie]

ah the palindrome pokemon, anyone know what the name is for a fear of palindrome's? ...

[solid frigate]

scarf and Assault vest are popular rn

[stone trellis]

Miraidon doesn't like protecting.

[solid frigate]

scarf is used or Set up or In a Trick Room Centric Team

[jade dust]

So no protect anyway

[stone trellis]

Aibohphobia.

[solid frigate]

if you want to play Set up Mirai then yes

[shadow wind]

Volt switch is a Miraidons best friend

[real prairie]

Funny shit!

[solid frigate]

actually volt switch is my least clicked move during my days with Miraidon

[stone trellis]

Just like how hippomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is the name for a fear of long words.

The people naming phobias should be put in charge of the balancing team at Game Freak.

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 174-206 (96.6 - 114.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Actually about that-

you don't need terrain to do that

[stone trellis]

Protect:
Focus Sash:

[shadow wind]

That’s just an average flutter mane calc

[real prairie]

all the mons would end up like toadscruel

[solid frigate]

lets say if you use Chien Pao with Mega Ray

Who is getting Sash

[stone trellis]

Rayquaza because Chien-Pao can run Life Orb just fine.

[shadow wind]

Chien pao can also run focus band !!!

He’s less important to the plot

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[stone trellis]

"Let's go gambling!" ahh set bro what is this 😭

HE COPIED MY WHOLE FLOW WORD FOR WORD BAR FOR BAR

[shadow wind]

Guys I’m playing Groudon Zacian I already know I have a gambling problem

[solid frigate]

lets assume its single res Mega Ray vs Miraidon

Miraidon Fari lead and then Mega Ray Chien Pao Lead

Chien Pao use Ice Spinner on Miraidon
Miraidon Tera Fairy clicked Dgleam,assume Mega Ray has Sash and Pao has Lorb Jolly max speed
Rayquaza kills Miraidon with Dragon Ascent
And Fari Trick Rooms

honestly its still better for Miraidon anyyways

[real prairie]

Its because of the amount of times ive missed those 99% tsarena Triple Axels that i know id never make any money really gambling 🤣

[shadow wind]

Why are we still on this, we know Miraidon is stupid broken and that primal won’t stop it from doing what it does

Yeah I went to a casino when I turned 18 a month ago and lost 50 bucks

[solid frigate]

because someone is a Rayquaza fan 🙂

[shadow wind]

Have not been back since

[stone trellis]

I've missed a Population Bomb with Maushold while it's holding a Wide Lens five times.

[real prairie]

I wouldn't have stopped at 50 🤣

[stone trellis]

I just want bro to be good, okay?

It's my favorite legendary, of course I want it to succeed.

[shadow wind]

I was smart and left my wallet in my car

All I needed was my id and 50 bucks

[real prairie]

same odds as triple axel wide lens

[solid frigate]

i mean my favourite legendary is Giratina

And i don't bother on making it good

its just the reality

[shadow wind]

Then you be the change you want to see in the world

Make that Rayquaza team !

[stone trellis]

Giratina has absolutely nothing going fo rit.

[shadow wind]

Shadow force gaming !

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[stone trellis]

I already have Rayquaza and Chien-Pao there.

[solid frigate]

ok at least you make Ludicolo 5-3

[shadow wind]

Then you add a Groudon and the team is perfect

[jade dust]

Very few restricted are good which is impressive given that they are supposed to be powerful

[stone trellis]

One really good Pokemon and two old men that have been crippled by power creep. Sure, why not?

[shadow wind]

Nah don’t add more mid

But really there’s not a lot of Restricteds that want to be on a team with Rayquaza

[real prairie]

I could have been top 100 global challenge with it too if i just knew i could have stopped playing at top 18

[solid frigate]

i just stopped plaing GC when i made Greninja slightly decent

[real prairie]

my stupid ass thought i **HAD **to play all 45 games

[shadow wind]

I think I’ve done one GC ever

I’m not Bo1 invested anymore I doubt I could do em

[stone trellis]

Is it because of the fact that it nullifies weather?

[shadow wind]

And that it is weak to everything under the sun

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

[shadow wind]

You could make a weezing team with it?

Rayquaza
CSR
Chien Pao
Urshifu Rapid strike
Weezing

[solid frigate]

atp just use Shadow Rider

and Koraidon

[stone trellis]

I literally just thought of that.

[shadow wind]

Have you ever had fun team building before?

Like we’re trying to use a specific Mon

[stone trellis]

Okay, so how do I get Galarian Weezing?

[shadow wind]

You need someone to trade it to you or you need SwSh

But you can also just test on showdown

[solid frigate]

Greninja,Iron Crown,Cresselia

[shadow wind]

Yeah and you’re just chirping in our ear “Just use Koraidon CSR”

[solid frigate]

hell even Yotam praised my Greninja

[shadow wind]

Ain’t NOBODY care dog

[solid frigate]

because Rayquaza is ass lmao

[shadow wind]

And??

[solid frigate]

you rather use Dragonite lol

[shadow wind]

We’re having fun

[stone trellis]

The only issue with running Rayquaza, CSR and Chien-Pao is that all three are trying to use the Focus Sash and two of them are trying to use Life Orb.

[shadow wind]

Pokémon is a fun game

We’re not trying to win any regionals here

[stone trellis]

I am not aiming to succeed. I am already at MB tier. At this point, I just want to have fun and see how far I can take my favorite Pokemon.

[shadow wind]

You can build whatever regional winning team you want but if you’re just going to criticize people having a little bit of fun you can just not say anything and continue on with your day

“Rayquaza sucks so bad”

Like we don’t know this

[stone trellis]

So who gets Life Orb, CSR or Chien-Pao?

NEVER TRY ABBREVIATING CHIEN-PAO
WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE

[shadow wind]

I’d say Pao, CSR has run items like spell tag and been fine

Urshifu probably wants scarf

[stone trellis]

So should CSR be Nasty Plot or full glass cannon?

[shadow wind]

You could go encore

But kinda up to you

You probably want a redirector in the last slot just because this is a lot of offense

[stone trellis]

Yeah, definitely.

[shadow wind]

Maybe like a Clefairy?

[stone trellis]

Clefairy would help a lot, yeah.

[shadow wind]

Clef also gives you trickroom support with after you

[stone trellis]

Too bad the one Clefairy I have has 31 Speed IVs.

[shadow wind]

Eh whatever

Showdown testing !

I love me some showdown team building

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'll make it in Violet.

I already have all of the components.

Except for Weezing...

[gentle canyon]

Could always try using a different speed IV clef

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but the one I already have has 0 Attack IVs...

Damn it, it's the Sinistcha situation all over again.

I hate having to hunt for Pokemon that need two IVs at 0.

[shadow wind]

0 attack means almost nothing for Clefairy

It has an attack stat of 45

And foul play is resisted anyway

[cyan smelt]

power items exist

[shadow wind]

Eviolite is 100% needed on Clefairy

[stone trellis]

They don't minimize IVs, do they?

[cyan smelt]

they make breeding easier so you can transfer no good IVs

[shadow wind]

I misunderstood

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that was decided from the moment you proposed using Clef.

[shadow wind]

I thought they were suggesting using it instead of getting a 0 speed Clef

But that was my bad

[gentle canyon]

plus Dragonite is gonna be funny if y'all decide using that

[shadow wind]

Cause they do also cut a mons speed in half

[stone trellis]

What set does Weezing even run?

[shadow wind]

Could run tspikes but that’s pretty cancer if you ask me

[cyan smelt]

poison gas usually

[shadow wind]

Are you going to get a Galarian one or just stick with Kantonian?

[gentle canyon]

Geezing or weezing?

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm running Galarian.

[shadow wind]

Strange steam/dgleam
Poison gas
Taunt/Will o wisp
Protect

[gentle canyon]

Well get ready to have lando at your doorstep

[cyan smelt]

lando and ursaluna

[stone trellis]

Me when Urshifu and Chien-Pao:

[stone trellis]

What about the EVs?

[shadow wind]

I think they usually run max HP and then lean heavily on the special side

Just because he already had base 120 defence that it’s fine to not invest super heavily into that

[stone trellis]

Alright, Clefairy has Follow Me, After You and Protect.

Should I have an attacking move just to prevent Taunt shenanigans?

[shadow wind]

You could give it icy wind

It’s not super reliable but it is technically speed control

[stone trellis]

Something like 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 SpD with a Calm nature?

[shadow wind]

Those work for level 100 mons but not level 50

[stone trellis]

Fixed.

[shadow wind]

That’s better

Yeah looks fine to me

[stone trellis]

Alright.

So should Clefairy be Tera Ground or something?

[shadow wind]

Probably yeah

I’ve seen 2 Clefairy this entire Reg and they’ve both been Tera ground

[stone trellis]

What about Weezing's item and Tera Type?

[shadow wind]

Sitrus berry and dark maybe? Sitrus doesn’t really work well with Calyrex but I think it’s fine

[stone trellis]

Bet.

Now I just have to get Weezing...

Alright, here's the Pokepaste.
https://pokepast.es/bbb0136a4209ebbb

[shadow wind]

Oh you could give Clefairy helping hand as well

[stone trellis]

Instead of Protect?

I can't sacrifice my attacking move because a single Taunt would destroy Clef.

[shadow wind]

Yeah maybe

It’s just an idea but CSR at +2 a spell tag and helping hand is disgusting

[stone trellis]

Yeah, let's check the damage calculator.

Jesus Christ.

+2 252 SpA Spell Tag Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 244 HP / 68 SpD Incineroar: 221-261 (109.9 - 129.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anything without AV is dying.

[shadow wind]

Yes

[solemn flicker]

Is this SpA nature?

[stone trellis]

No, that's Timid.

[solemn flicker]

I got mine on Spell Tag and Timid as well 252 SpAtk

Good to know!

[cyan smelt]

zama and csr is a broken duo lol

[shadow wind]

Yes

[balmy glen]

damn I should note that down

[shadow wind]

Keanu did you make worlds?

[real prairie]

Long time! Hows it going?

[stone trellis]

Okay, I found a Cleffa with 4 IVs in Speed.

It is definitely underspeeding Ursaluna and CIR.

Can it still evolve while at level 100?

[real prairie]

yeah you can

[stone trellis]

Good to know.

[real prairie]

youll need to use a rare candy once it meets the friendship requirement basically

also yes itll under speed

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 35: Clefairy

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/45/48/60/65/35

Total

323

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna

Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Guts, Bulletproof, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/140/105/45/80/50

Total

550

Other Formes

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

is the meta just miraidon, caly-i, zama, csr, lunala hell atm

[stone trellis]

As well as Koraidon and Kyogre sometimes.

And Groudon if you haven't taken your meds in weeks.

[left bobcat]

METEOR BEAM KORAIDON

[real prairie]

@shadow wind has missed his meds for a while then

[balmy glen]

Nah

I’ll have more time to grind next season so it’s all good

I missed out/was busy on most GC weekends and just ended up playing with like an hour left lol

[mighty stump]

have you tried using incin

[azure ether]

uhh how is BE Raging Bolt usually EV'd?

[next stump]

typically like 180 or 252 modest with a lot in SPE as well

enough bulk to survive certain meta relevant attacks

[deft crypt]

Would anyone like to battle later please dm me

[bold geode]

https://championships.pokemon.com/en-us/events
CHAT, NEW EVENTS FOR 2026 SEASON HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED

[chrome knot]

see yall in pittsburgh & milwaukee

[solid frigate]

I’ll go to EUIC this time

[gloomy heart]

I really want to start improving at competitive doubles, any recommendations on getting started?

[foggy lodge]

Use teams already established in the meta and analyze your replays

[late lodge]

So if megas are back in tgc will this mean megas may come in sv ?

For vgc

[dense latch]

it's not gonna be in scarlet and violet

we'd have to wait at least until champions or gen 10

[dense latch]

check the pinned messages for useful resources

[gloomy heart]

Okay thank you

[dense latch]

idk how to do the embed so im just gonna copy it lmao

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[next stump]

Top 80 mannn still a kinda shit system

[bold geode]

New updates

1. Asymmetrical top cut will cap out at top 16 players

2. The top 80 (haven't confirmed myself so)

3. Trying to figure out but like
   The BFL might tie regionals and internationals together?

[next stump]

Yeah it will, they started that last year

BFL of 5 shared between the two

can anyone find the GC points

[solid frigate]

wait wdym by top 80

[dense latch]

top 80 rather than top 75 qualify for worlds i assume

[next stump]

yeah

with the increased payout from regional and ICs the bar will still be around 1000, maybe even a little more

[solid frigate]

i guess fair enough

[bold geode]

https://x.com/playpokemon/status/1937169103124345051?t=Ea7C9MGxaqFD7RrJgx5USQ&s=19
Also there's this which may be a tease

Play Pokémon (@playpokemon)

Get ready for a new season of MEGA proportions! Information regarding the 2026 Championship Series is now live 🔥

X · Jun 23, 2025, 3:21 PM

[next stump]

big change to GC's, it's now region locked

NA and EU are separate

[bold geode]

Oh shit

Are the BFLs still outrageous on those?

[next stump]

I'm not sure, I can't find anything about BFLs or the CP payout for them

[strange juniper]

potentially 3 days of play for regionals as well with the dates shown on pitts and milk

[bold geode]

I think I saw they were potentially risen?

Yeah those two show 4 days

[left bobcat]

What the hell

[bold geode]

@next stump I do hate how they changed the cut though

Cuz like
Due to how events went out this past season, they basically said "top 16 cut and resistance is back"

[next stump]

I felt the same way but I went and did the math and there are almost no scenarios where someone will ever bubble Top 16

https://x.com/duckpoind/status/1937183610622054838

This tweet helps explain it a bit

duckpond (@duckpoind)

The only tournament in the 2025 season in that range was Gdansk; Sevilla, Atlanta and LAIC got close

X · Jun 23, 2025, 4:18 PM

I confirmed his math and he is right. The only event where the new cut system could have resulted in a bubble was Gdansk. Even then, there would have needed to be a very specific scenario for that to even happen (the two players who got downpaired would need to lose, resulting in 3 players at X-1 and 14 players at X-2). Any other result outside of that specific one should result in only 15 players (or less) at X-2 or better

[molten oasis]

I’m going to Vegas maybe

That’s something I can realistically do

[little plank]

Setup is almost done lol

[next stump]

they've basically leaked all the locations, just not dates

[dense latch]

players gambling away their prize money the second they get out the venue in vegas is gonna be crazy

the las vegas regional has been one of the main points of discourse i've seen so far lol

[next stump]

it's a really crazy location hahaha

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm

I could consider traveling to Argentina

Its not too far and I've never gone out of the country so its still a good tourist location I think

[solid frigate]

@real prairie see ya in EUIC lol

[chrome knot]

@solid frigate @real prairie see ya in EUIC lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2390351954-257cqeej7i598e3tl9o04xeenq89llfpw

Lmfaoooooo

This is hilarious

The game was over on turn 2

[shadow wind]

A year at this point

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

hai noba

see u in Vancouver again :3