#competitive_discussion

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solid frigate
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no.

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too much set up in this format would make the entire pacing went wrong

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especially for Kyogre Teams

dense latch
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what does lanturn do

latent leaf
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It does moves

prisma geyser
solid frigate
prisma geyser
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justice for laturns 😔 ✊

solid frigate
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because this format is not for Lanturn

If its like Reg H,sure i will not stop you

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 171: Lanturn
Types

Water/Electric

Abilities

Volt Absorb, Illuminate, Water Absorb (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/58/58/76/76/67

Total

460

dense latch
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oh wow

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uhhh

solid frigate
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even in Randbats its Ass

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contribution in the whole team is a must for the team to work in Double res

prisma geyser
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I specifically had him in order incase kyorge dies i could set up another rain dance and rely on oger or urisfu

dense latch
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tornadus gets rain dance too with priority

prisma geyser
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oh true i forgot about him

solid frigate
left bobcat
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Nuh uh

solid frigate
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252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 186-220 (103.3 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Fuck you

left bobcat
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Ooooooooohwoahhoahhooah

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But what zama rocks 4spd

south shuttle
left bobcat
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Wait it’s gone?

solid frigate
south shuttle
left bobcat
south shuttle
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It looks good

dense latch
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it's still used

solid frigate
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its literally on my team

dense latch
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19th most used non restricted in the last vr tour

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that conversion rate tho damn

south shuttle
dense latch
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yes

south shuttle
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Was it paired with kyogre?

left bobcat
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Better than iron bundle SadMimi

latent leaf
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Landorus is non restricted?

solid frigate
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I just throw Lando with Kyogre and Miraidon to help against Rillaboom

latent leaf
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Crazy

left bobcat
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SCHYEAH

dense latch
south shuttle
solid frigate
left bobcat
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Brute bonnet đŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„

south shuttle
dense latch
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kinda sad how ass lando-t is now

left bobcat
south shuttle
left bobcat
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I mean a u turn does a good chunk so

south shuttle
solid frigate
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i think bonnet is Healthy for the metagame imo

left bobcat
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That typing is no bueno defense wise

prisma geyser
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ok last chance to have lsnturn. Would he work as a support partner like eletroweb and confuse ray

prisma geyser
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or is he completely out of the question

left bobcat
solid frigate
prisma geyser
left bobcat
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Lanturn correct? Surely it can’t be that bad-

solid frigate
left bobcat
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Base 76 sp attack? Dude wth is someone supposed to with that

prisma geyser
# left bobcat Nvm

ngl i never once looked at its chart and only had him because its my moms fav pokemon

dense latch
left bobcat
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It’s attack and special attack are LOWER than BRIONNE

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Dude even second stage starters have a higher special attack than lanturn

prisma geyser
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my boy needs a major buff in gen 10

solid frigate
left bobcat
prisma geyser
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possible primape treatment?!

dense latch
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ok it's not that horrible mdb put it at b tier

prisma geyser
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THE KINGDRA

left bobcat
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B tier? That’s too generous

prisma geyser
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that or toxepox

left bobcat
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Toxapex is better

prisma geyser
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actually

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Rotom wash?.

left bobcat
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Toxapex at least has bulk and support

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Rotom wash is alright

prisma geyser
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i had him on my sword comp and it worked out well

left bobcat
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Power crept like a lot of old mons

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AHEM garchomp

prisma geyser
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ive seen him used too much in teams with rough skin and a rocky helmet

wintry moth
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Let me in please

solid frigate
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in this format

prisma geyser
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Ctually nvm rotom wash spread kinda sucks

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 479: Rotom-Wash
Types

Electric/Water

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/65/107/105/107/86

Total

520

Base Species

Rotom

prisma geyser
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ig toxepex is the way to go

solid frigate
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you play stall?

prisma geyser
# solid frigate you play stall?

i usally like a offence or bulky team whilestall teams are pretty boring plus its not oike im gonna toxic stall with toxepex il just have it balance out the team while getting chip damge in

prisma geyser
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?

solid frigate
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yikes on Toxapex in a Kyogre team play stall

prisma geyser
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Then what about clodsire

solid frigate
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ass

rustic mountain
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đŸ€š

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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on?

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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bruh

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most of these on there shouldnt even be ranked

chrome knot
rustic mountain
shadow wind
mighty stump
ocean timber
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it’s funny bc lanturn has 2 abilities and they have to assume you have 2 immunities

knotty mirage
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I have question is there any duo restricted that hard counter caly s and zamazenta combo ?

ocean timber
knotty mirage
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Oh so flutter and brute bonnet that hard counter them

left bobcat
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Ooooo

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I’m so confused

dense latch
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it made sense in the context of the convo bc we were talking abt how lanturn was bad even in randbats

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i should’ve made that clearer

cosmic warren
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Sunlight + chlorophyll will let you outspeed the caly as well as sunlight + flutter and you can threaten it with shadow ball or sleep powder/encore if they protect

agile dove
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Hey guys can someone explain to me how calyrex shadows stats work since its two pokemon combined into one?

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Does it take the dominant stats of either pokemon or do they add up?

ocean timber
agile dove
ocean timber
agile dove
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Okay that makes sense! Cheers 🙂

south shuttle
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is giratina viable?

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might want to run a hex set

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with giratina altered

dense latch
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giratina origin is a little less ass

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but kinda ass nonetheless

south shuttle
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ultimate flutter mane check

solid frigate
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its still ass

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like fixated on one specfic Counter is just bad

dense latch
south shuttle
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im just fooling around 😭

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i like running gimmicky teams

cosmic warren
south shuttle
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im going to attempt to make a double calyrex team

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might be fun to play

bold geode
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Can only have one or the other form on a team

south shuttle
south shuttle
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hmm

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might make a trick room alcremie teama

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decorate calyrex ice or ursaluna

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it can run helping hand as well

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set up lighscreen

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 869: Alcremie
Type

Fairy

Abilities

Sweet Veil, Aroma Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/60/75/110/121/64

Total

495

Weight (Low Kick BP)

0.5kg (20 BP)

Height

0.3m

Introduced

Generation 8

Pre-evolution

Milcery

Egg groups

Fairy, Amorphous

Gender Ratio

F: 100%

Color

White

cosmic warren
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And hope your opponent has a calyrex

south shuttle
plush lark
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Just added gambit, not positive how I feel about him yet

molten oasis
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Morning fellas

dense latch
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gm

solid frigate
plush lark
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Tbh it's more for caly ice

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But it def helps against incin

molten oasis
south shuttle
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what are the best moves to run on caly ice?

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Glacial lance, trick room, throat chop, high horsepower?

molten oasis
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lance is a must, then high horsepower or leech seed, trick room, then protect

south shuttle
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im currently running water

molten oasis
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water or fire

south shuttle
molten oasis
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sometimes grass on rain teams

near crag
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Do y'all think CIR eternatus could work?

molten oasis
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whats the synergy of that duo

south shuttle
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like sitrus berry

molten oasis
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if you play leech seed CIR you go lefties

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if not clam or nevermelt ice

foggy lodge
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Sitrus berry + imprison CIR can beat other Calyrexes

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But I think its too niche

near crag
molten oasis
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ok, what does it do better than mirai CIR

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to like, warrant the niche duo

near crag
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Just eternatus being able to kill the tera fairy mons

dense latch
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just edrift

molten oasis
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that duo is also kinda ass into zacian lol

solid frigate
near crag
molten oasis
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what mon are you talking about?

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tera fairy miraidon should have already wiped you

dense latch
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first tera fairy mon that comes to mind is lunala

molten oasis
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the eternatus

near crag
solid frigate
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252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera Fairy Miraidon through Reflect: 67-79 (38 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

miraidon+Screens is nutty

molten oasis
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are fairies really issues for CIR?

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that arent zac

near crag
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It doesn't love flutter, nor lunala (if tera)

molten oasis
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why is lunala gonna tera infront of CIR

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what CIR set are you gonna use?

dense latch
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you can easily play around flutter with a good cir team

craggy dagger
dense latch
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cir vs flutter doesnt happen in a vacuum

near crag
molten oasis
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its not like every flutter runs ghost coverage too

molten oasis
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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bruh

craggy dagger
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it’s on a rain team

dense latch
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that's a choice

molten oasis
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a choice of all time (this is normal nova things)

craggy dagger
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miraiogre with booster spatk-

molten oasis
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thats foul

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anyway

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you kinda have miraidon to deal with lunala a bit no?

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like usually

near crag
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If y'all think eternatus and CIR aren't good together, then what's a good eternatus duo?

molten oasis
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not using it

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kidding but uhhh. idk

tiny karmaBOT
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- [Poison/Dragon]
Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Poison, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Ground, Ice, Psychic

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

near crag
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Lunala is the most common, but the miraidon problem remains

bold geode
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Eternatus Ho Oh worry

cosmic warren
molten oasis
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yea

craggy dagger
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eternatus terspagos..

molten oasis
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thats the one i think could work

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you have to run rilla and some other anti mirai thing i think

cosmic warren
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Tera fairy raichu

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Or ting lu

molten oasis
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at least ting lu hurts it

cosmic warren
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Tera ground Tera blast zacian is a personal favorite of mine

south shuttle
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and die

cosmic warren
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Astral barrage will go off first so no

craggy dagger
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yup


south shuttle
solid frigate
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thats like the 3rd best imo

dense latch
bold geode
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I still don't know if Meteor Beam works, you probably do just Stall lol

solid frigate
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Monke i tried Meteor Beam Etern

It probably worked fine

dense latch
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had to go against that in ladder a few days ago
cosmic power fire spin etern with whirlwind rocky helmet ho-oh

craggy dagger
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my eyes hurt with that team

south shuttle
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why dont I see blood moon ursaluna much

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isnt it really good?

molten oasis
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the other ursa is better

south shuttle
dense latch
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hits harder

molten oasis
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bulkier

dense latch
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tanks better

south shuttle
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mind's eye is a good ability

molten oasis
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guts is better

south shuttle
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and it's a special attacker

dense latch
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guts is a better ability

south shuttle
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why was it so popular a while ago then?

dense latch
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a while ago as in?

molten oasis
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reg h? early reg g?

south shuttle
dense latch
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well they’re different metas

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reg h is as different as it gets arguably

molten oasis
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in reg h it was a more flexible pick, since it was bulky and didnt need lorb tera normal to pick up kos

dense latch
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and bm ursa wasn’t great by the time reg g developed

molten oasis
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bm ursa gets kinda nuked with ease

south shuttle
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1 more restricted?

molten oasis
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yea

dense latch
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no legendaries or paradox monsters in reg h

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reg g was one restricted

molten oasis
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less room for it in reg i

south shuttle
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what's in this regfulation?

molten oasis
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all the non legendary/paradox mons

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you saw things like ninetales and archaludon shine

south shuttle
molten oasis
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ye

south shuttle
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btw coming back to ursaluna, the best moveset is rock, ground and dark right?

molten oasis
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no

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you just facade headlong rush earthquake protect

south shuttle
molten oasis
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spread and single target

south shuttle
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is a telepathy/levitate mon needed?

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or flying

molten oasis
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wide guard blocks eq, and you can protect

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so like, lunala can click wide guard

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next to ursa

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and it blocks the damage

south shuttle
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isn't it easy to predict though?

molten oasis
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that shouldnt matter

south shuttle
molten oasis
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you just facade

south shuttle
molten oasis
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very few things take guts boosted facade from ursa, ghost or water

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usually ghost

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you dont need coverage on everything

south shuttle
south shuttle
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moongeist can serve as coverage

molten oasis
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mhm

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lunala and ursa are great partners

south shuttle
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that leaves 2 slots left

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is hisui decidueye viable?

cosmic warren
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You want iron hands or regular ursaluna

molten oasis
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can you send a paste?

south shuttle
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i am running some spice so beware

molten oasis
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yes

rustic mountain
south shuttle
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I'll just send a screenshot

sage wolf
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guys i have question if a pokemon is good or no

molten oasis
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theres a button

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that you click on the bottom of the screen that says pokepaste

south shuttle
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yeah upload to pokepaste

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which one

sage wolf
molten oasis
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scrafty?

molten oasis
sage wolf
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yes scrafty

molten oasis
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its not good rn

sage wolf
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oh ok

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i wanted to make team with it

cosmic warren
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there are not many non-legendaries that see play. They need to have strong abilities or redirection. Incineroar/rillaboom/amoonguss are the top 3 viable ones

molten oasis
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the non legendaries are like, rilla and incin lol

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theres more but

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those are the main 2

cosmic warren
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Amoonguss is on so many teams rn

molten oasis
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oh yea

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amoonguss

cosmic warren
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Foongus amoonguss

sage wolf
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is galar meowth good?

molten oasis
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why are you cloak CIR

south shuttle
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but for fake-out purposes

molten oasis
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mk, uh, i dont think CIR lunala is really a good duo

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also why alcreamie

south shuttle
solid frigate
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Drago you need Help on this situation?

cosmic warren
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Hard TR is in a weird spot rn more people are leaning towards teams that can do trick room and tailwind

south shuttle
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while decorating with the alcremie

wooden steeple
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nah lowkey lunala cir is good

next stump
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you’ll need a redirection pokĂ©mon for sure

molten oasis
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id suggest either going mirai lunala or mirai CIR personally

next stump
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indeedee sets up psychic terrain for lunala

solid frigate
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Lunala CIR feels iffy

cosmic warren
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Yup indeedee is the answer here plus the terrain means you don’t need cloak

south shuttle
solid frigate
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Miraidon as Enabler

molten oasis
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miraidon sets eterrain to prevent spores

wooden steeple
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trick room miraidon has been a thing since the firet reg G tourney lol

molten oasis
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its not a tr sweeper but it nukes things before it goes up or after it goes down

south shuttle
cosmic warren
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A lot of those lunalas are actually fast on miraidon teams

wooden steeple
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tail room is included in trick room

molten oasis
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you dont focus the tr much either

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like not as hard as a, hard tr team

cosmic warren
wooden steeple
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you go trick room against faster mons like caly shadow and korai, tailwind against midspeeds and just outseed the ylower trick rooms putting the burden on them to set trick room, at which point you can just switch out into calyrex

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alchremy is the weaker part on the team compared to lunala as a restricted pair for cir tho

bold geode
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@next stump you see this shit Jeudy going on about the competitors kits?

wooden steeple
cosmic warren
foggy lodge
molten oasis
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what lmao

foggy lodge
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Naic tomorrow

solid frigate
cosmic warren
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Or even smeargle with coaching

solid frigate
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no

next stump
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yeah that’s gotta be a troll

foggy lodge
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This is actually a very cool team

wooden steeple
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ikr

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don't ask me what the pagos spread does I just did slider = funny, the others I at least know where to go from lol

solid frigate
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you basically walled by Zamazenta

wooden steeple
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pagos likely doesn't come that matchup tbh, I need pulse for csr

foggy lodge
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Eh idt its bad

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Like Dozogiri already destroys Zamazenta

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And Miraidon chips it very decently even with AV

wooden steeple
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also soak + edrift will guaranteed ko any zama idc

foggy lodge
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How has the Sinistcha felt?

solid frigate
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you don't need Pulse unless you play Specs

wooden steeple
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you do if you struggle with csr lol

solid frigate
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clearly not lol

wooden steeple
foggy lodge
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Not chip with tera starstorm

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To which also the encore disable CSR kinda invalidates pagos

wooden steeple
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starstorm hits zama neutral anyways so why even run ep

wooden steeple
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meanwhile both dozo giri and sinistcha deal with zama really well

foggy lodge
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But yeah I think the team actually looks cool

dense latch
wooden steeple
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boo hoo lol, thats like never an issue tbh

gentle canyon
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Could be an issue

wooden steeple
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I mean usually pagos is only terad later into the game

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and I usually don't just let it sit in front of zama, unless I jist target the partner and rage powder the body press

cosmic warren
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Unless they pull the classic “destroy your terrain/weather” on turn 1

gentle canyon
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What happens if they tera? Ya can't use soak PrayGrovyle

cosmic warren
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What is this? Mormon Pokemon?

wooden steeple
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ayo lowkey worst case scenario I can soak the zama so it doesn't resist starstorm

gentle canyon
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It won't resist either way if you tera pagos

craggy dagger
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why are we using soak
?

foggy lodge
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Its

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A common 4th move for scarf tatsugiri

craggy dagger
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oh-
i thought it ran draco icy muddy water and pump-

gentle canyon
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I thought so too

left bobcat
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I am 50 cent bro

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Yeah me too

dense latch
lean ridge
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Might need to leave miraidon behind 😭

cosmic warren
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Yup that’s when you say bye miraidon

solid frigate
cosmic warren
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Also why I like ditto on that team instead of incin

dense latch
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mirai is kinda carrying me here lmao

lean ridge
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damn it rlly did pepebonkers

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didnt expect that grimm to get ohkoed by dgleam through screens tho

foggy lodge
cosmic warren
cosmic warren
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I play Tera electric so I would’ve had to leave mine most likely

foggy lodge
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Go on my minions spread this team on ladder

solid frigate
foggy lodge
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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Lmao

cosmic warren
rustic mountain
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could u fit all of that? if so fs

cosmic warren
rustic mountain
tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Volt Switch

If this move is successful and the user has not fainted, the user switches out even if it is trapped and is replaced immediately by a selected party member. The user does not switch out if there are no unfainted party members, or if the target switched out using an Eject Button or through the effect of the Emergency Exit or Wimp Out Abilities.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

cosmic warren
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Volt switch good

latent leaf
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Best Tera type for rayquaza?

shadow wind
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I would say normal to abuse espeed but fire could also be good to stop will o wisp and also resist ice and fairy

cosmic warren
molten oasis
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First game in a week I lose to Tera ground earthquake ho-oh

molten oasis
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Hm

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Working with a wrist brace kinda sucks lmao

latent leaf
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When the ho is oh

shadow wind
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What the Ho oh

left bobcat
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What the ho ly

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What the holyante

dense latch
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what the haliburton

shadow wind
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What the heliolisk

molten oasis
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What the hipopotas

foggy lodge
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For anyone attending NAIC tomorrow

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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lol

rare pumice
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is trick room not very common in singles 6v6 formats?

solid frigate
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no time to set up TR

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feels more redundant

lost sun
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does ability shield let intimidate work on pokemon with clear am

rare pumice
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is there a good place/video/anything to step up my team building and understanding of competitive in general, I feel like that's too ambiguous a question but I think there are some serious hang ups I have with pvp that I want to try and overcome

shadow wind
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You can always ask questions here and people will help but I know that’s not always the best

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There’s stuff in the pinned messages as well that can help

foggy lodge
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Its better to just comprehend the format you are playing and I think the best way is watching top players of that format and the top teams

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I assume you are interested in singles so ig content creators like pokeaim are the best options

shadow wind
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I don’t think I’ve watched a VGC video in like 4 months

rare pumice
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I guess one of my bigger problems is I just try to generalize too much with teams and don't focus on specific formats nearly enough

molten oasis
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i put wolfey on in the background a lot

shadow wind
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I put Clash Royale videos on in the background

foggy lodge
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Each format is different, I don't know a lot about singles but I think there are also some people on twitter that post like usage stats for each month for formats like OU

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And also the usual smogon discussion sites that help to know

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But the usual to analyze a meta game is defined in just 2 questions for me

  1. What is good?
  2. Why is it good?
rare pumice
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I think that second part is where I falter

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When I see a pokemon performing well I just think of the stats and moves and ability it's using and not the circumstances that lead to its popularity or who it's partnered with too much

foggy lodge
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That's normal when you are just starting, pokemon is a game with a lot of flexibility so perfectly a new tech or something can pop off and not everybody will know why is it good

rare pumice
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I think I'm less a beginner and more just not dedicated enough to it because I keep falling out of pvp for like half a year at a time

foggy lodge
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So yeah the best advive I could give you to comprehend the second question is asking people more experienced in the format

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For my experience in VGC there were a lot of things I didn't know at first but then people explained it and you kinda just catch up on the metagame

rare pumice
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I think my current prefered format is battle stadium doubles

shadow wind
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That’s VGC !

foggy lodge
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!!!

shadow wind
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How convenient

foggy lodge
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Yeah so tomorrow or actually in like just 9 hours NAIC (North América International) starts and its streamed

rare pumice
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I've heard Calyrex Ice is sort of the biggest hitter right now

foggy lodge
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If you have time and want you can watch the top players play there and understand in a more deep way how they play and why

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If you don't want you can just see the results of the tournament once its over

foggy lodge
molten oasis
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oh yea, NAIC tomorrow

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i hope the stream matches are good

shadow wind
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I hope Groudon wins it all đŸ”„đŸ”„

molten oasis
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it wont

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but we can hope

rare pumice
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it didn't occur to me until just now that I never actually watch top players battle and only ever just look at the teams they've made

shadow wind
#

Too bad he ain’t even top cutting 😔

molten oasis
#

i always hope for zac but im expecting a CSR Zama win tbh

foggy lodge
molten oasis
#

idt it has won lol

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

fs

molten oasis
#

/jk

shadow wind
#

Come on guys we all know what’s really going to win

#

Groudon Groudon

molten oasis
#

cosmog

foggy lodge
#

Kyogre Groudon Walking Wake tho

#

Lowkey cooks

shadow wind
#

I hope you’re kidding

#

Walking wake is just worse in rain

foggy lodge
#

Better worse than nothing

molten oasis
#

true

rare pumice
#

has Groudon ever risen to the same success rate as it did during gen 6 with primal before or after

shadow wind
#

Just use Urshifu

shadow wind
#

I don’t think it’s been in the semis all of Gen 9

foggy lodge
#

During this gen it stayed a bit relevant during reg G

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Just a bit

molten oasis
#

groudon has been quite mid this gen

rare pumice
#

wasn't kyogre common at one point in gen 8

molten oasis
#

it was good in gen 8 but its, not great now

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

It’s still pretty good

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Kyogre will never be “bad”

foggy lodge
#

Yeah

shadow wind
#

Until they make another water type rain setter with water spout

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Which they ain’t doing

rare pumice
#

has there already been a 2 restricted pokemon format for gen 9

molten oasis
#

eh

molten oasis
#

unless we get another year of vgc in SC

shadow wind
#

Champions would probably take over?

foggy lodge
#

For the remake of SV in 10 years where the add Iron Storm the paradox of Koraidon that sets rain and gets a SpA boost by being in rain

molten oasis
#

depends what we see in, uh, idk lmao

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

no, no it wouldnt

shadow wind
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Like the concept not the actuality of the Mon

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Just don’t give it water spout

molten oasis
#

im already scared of tera water primal kyogre

rare pumice
#

It's kind of weird to me that they sort of repeated Groudon's problem with its weather when they made Koraidon

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

No stab yeah

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

I can’t wait for Gen 10 when Groudon is better than Koraidon

foggy lodge
#

Groudon has always worked more like as an enabler than sun being what gives it its full potential

molten oasis
#

yea

shadow wind
#

These new kids have it too nice with being able to Tera out of a quad weakness

foggy lodge
#

Historically that's what his sun is for

molten oasis
#

groudon was strong in gen 8 cuz it enables gigantamax charizard really well

shadow wind
#

We love Gmax Zard

rare pumice
#

it's an interesting world we live in when Torkoal can uses its ability more offensively than the legendary that created the continents

foggy lodge
#

Jumpluff, Hearthflame, paradox, Charizard

molten oasis
#

stupid pokemon lmao

#

it did so much damage

shadow wind
rare pumice
#

has there been any news about pokemon champions since it was announced

foggy lodge
#

Nope

molten oasis
#

we'll get something with the next pokemon direct, i hope

foggy lodge
#

They will most likely show more in the pokemon presents

molten oasis
#

istg if they dont man

foggy lodge
#

Also why tf did they announce a presents 2 months before it happened

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Like ???

molten oasis
#

lmfao

rare pumice
#

would you prefer champions have all the different gen gimicks rolled into one, or have different formats that incorporate each one and then a bonus format that disables all of them

molten oasis
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its gonna be BIG

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(itll be 15 minutes long show us new updates and then nothing else)

foggy lodge
#

Like one format with tera, one with megas, one with z moves

molten oasis
#

idt we should have multiple at the same time

foggy lodge
#

And then maybe start combining them

molten oasis
#

at least like

foggy lodge
#

But ig they will only let you use one gimmick per battle

rare pumice
#

I hope that it has a built in casual mode so people can just battle friends and host their own tournaments

molten oasis
#

if they do dont do it in a restricted format

foggy lodge
#

Like if you tera you can't mega evolve

solid frigate
#

also even Pokemon company knows that will be bad for the game

#

like why would you want to tera+Change forms

molten oasis
#

but, then i cant tera water primal kyogre

solid frigate
#

i rather split the gimmick for each pokemon

molten oasis
#

(i dont need this to exist)

shadow wind
#

I hope they forget to add Tera to champions

molten oasis
#

(its just a funny concept)

shadow wind
#

I hate Tera so much

rare pumice
#

dynamax was my favorite gimmick so far for battling

molten oasis
#

i jsut need a break from tera

solid frigate
shadow wind
solid frigate
shadow wind
foggy lodge
#

I do think

shadow wind
#

Dynamax was sick

molten oasis
#

fuck dynamax

foggy lodge
#

That tera gives some toxic 50/50s

shadow wind
#

Z moves were the best though

foggy lodge
#

Like the fucking mind games of Hands vs Ursaluna shit

shadow wind
rare pumice
#

I just have an optimistic view on dynamax I think, and I'm also probably a little biased because I think the online mode in sw/sh was far superior to s/v

foggy lodge
#

The most random interaction there will ever be

#

Its pure luck basically

molten oasis
#

zac vs mirai is a headache at times

shadow wind
#

I never played competitively with any other gimmicks but I know Tera is my least favourite

molten oasis
#

i'd like to play rough freely

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

i dont but still

shadow wind
#

Tera fairy play rough !!

#

Kills some Miraidon even after Tera fairy

solid frigate
#

me when Miraidon barely did not OHKO CIR:

molten oasis
#

it kills the not bulky ones

shadow wind
#

Yeah

foggy lodge
#

Or fucking Treads dude

shadow wind
#

I just hate Tera

foggy lodge
#

Treads lives for being a 50/50 machine

shadow wind
#

Terrible competitive gimmick

molten oasis
#

its ok

solid frigate
#

Tera is fine imo

molten oasis
#

but i want smth else and i hope gen 10 has a cool gimmick

solid frigate
#

gimmock

foggy lodge
#

I like tera tbh I just find 50/50s annoying

solid frigate
#

Z-Moves feels boring

molten oasis
#

real

solid frigate
#

Mega is so overtuned

shadow wind
#

I liked Z moves

molten oasis
#

i'd like to experience megas but im not exactly looking forward to mega khangaskhan

shadow wind
#

I’d rather that than Fairy CSR

rare pumice
#

do you tink there will ever be a pokemon game where all the major battles in the story are double battles

molten oasis
#

probably not

molten oasis
#

we got that for the indigo disk dlc

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which was fun but didnt appeal to singles players

gentle canyon
molten oasis
#

if they're dlc's i think its fine

#

my mega is zacian (its basically a mega)

shadow wind
#

No more dlc Restricteds😔

foggy lodge
#

No now buy the dlc to get a Groudon

shadow wind
#

I have one shamillion Groudons already

rare pumice
#

ultra sun and moon had the right idea, buy the same game to get all the legendaries

foggy lodge
#

The SV Groudon has built in tera fire tho

#

You don't need to spend tera shards

shadow wind
#

Give me my red orb back

foggy lodge
#

No

molten oasis
#

i want intrepid sword to revert back to gen 8

shadow wind
#

Deal

molten oasis
#

i can pivot again lmao

shadow wind
#

I get red orb you get gen 8 Zacian

#

Even the 170 Atk

foggy lodge
#

Give me Celesteela and alolan Marowak

molten oasis
#

if champions regularly updates the game that be lit

foggy lodge
#

I need a non restricted wide guard user that is not Pelipper

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

like per gen patch notes fucking sucks lmao

foggy lodge
#

Or Iron Valiant

molten oasis
#

marowak gets wide guard?

foggy lodge
#

No but Celesteela does

molten oasis
#

oh, makes sense

foggy lodge
#

And Marowak could cook Miraidon with tera fairy

rare pumice
shadow wind
#

Celesteela, the original leech seeder

molten oasis
#

oh no

foggy lodge
#

So you dont have to run Rhydon to counter Miraidon lol

molten oasis
#

leech seed celesteela and CIR

foggy lodge
foggy lodge
#

I mean its good for like psyspam hard TR teams

molten oasis
#

that sounds like a miserable meta to play into

foggy lodge
#

But outside of that is meh

shadow wind
#

Give me mega Volcarona

rare pumice
#

I get the impression Wide Guard Mienshao isn't going to pop off?

foggy lodge
#

This one is the other mon that could solve the format

molten oasis
#

and ferrothorn nah im good lmfao

#

but that mon would be solid rn

#

cant believe it can almost ohko koraidon just cuz it hit it

shadow wind
#

Mienshao is cool

foggy lodge
#

It was a good mon for reg G but I'm not sure how to implement it in reg I

shadow wind
#

Wide guard + smacks around Incin

molten oasis
#

i think its jsut not enough in reg i

rare pumice
#

the only other options faster than Gallade is Hitmonlee and Flamigo for Wide Guard

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

i wish wide guard users had more options but i dont at the same time

#

i think it has limited options for a reason lol

foggy lodge
rare pumice
#

I like that inner focus is viable on most pokemon that get it now

solid frigate
rare pumice
#

well I guess a lot of the pokemon that get it do have better abilities

solid frigate
#

wut

molten oasis
#

oh NAIC standings ic

solid frigate
near crag
solid frigate
#

feels a bit too offensive for a Eternapagos

#

would recommend Screens since it helps survivability,Meteor Beam Etern is solid imo

near crag
#

I was gonna use it, but then I noticed the team struggled against zamazenta, and flamethroer deals a lot to it

solid frigate
#

i dont have issue

#

if i am being real

#

eternatus Hard walls Zama that even with +1 Dynamax Cannon on it you still outlive it

#

especially Speed Control would help against Zama

#

poliwhirlkek

I tried it and its only 12-5

solid frigate
bold geode
#

@next stump @chrome knot GOOD LUCK

next stump
#

THANK YOU

chrome knot
#

TY

lofty tartan
#

@next stump @chrome knot good luck you two! I'll be checking in on you later!

chrome knot
#

tysm

lofty tartan
#

Gonna cut out of work early today. Considering an offer for a promotion. Today is my 7th day on the job. BlobHyperSweats

exotic grotto
#

Good luck Dillon and Venus!

bold geode
graceful scaffold
#

Good luck Dillon and em!! HeartSkitty

bold geode
#

CHAT

#

I LOVE POKEMON

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

left bobcat
#

GOTTA CATCH EM ALL MOTHAFUCAHHH

exotic grotto
#

North America International Championships is starting really soon!

left bobcat
#

🩅🩅🩅🩅🩅

bold geode
dense latch
#

bo1 cts ladder techs the second i start using volcarona:

bold geode
#

What is this fucking fever dream

lofty tartan
#

@bold geode keep me posted on Dillon and Emma if you can. I'm leaving work in about 2 hours.

lofty tartan
#

Word

lavish crystal
#

wolfey con perish đŸ„ș

#

I mean uh good luck!!!!!!!

plain drum
#

Good luck, love y'all pipluplove

#

@chrome knot AscPats

#

@next stump RSalute

spiral ridge
#

Goodluck you two yall got this

bold geode
#

THE MAN PATCON

#

Honestly I wonder what Wolfe is running
Wondering if he's still running Korai Lunala

spiral ridge
#

It’s a strong duo rn so could be

#

Bro won 3??

bold geode
#

RILEY

#

Starting off strong

spiral ridge
#

CC HORSE

bold geode
#

Switch 2 stream?

forest arrow
#

No TR horse

strange juniper
knotty mirage
#

Huh so switch 2 is allowed after all

solid frigate
#

also thats Switch 2 stream

#

CRISPY

bold geode
#

Simone has his foot on the gas rn

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

Bro just saw a tw mirai and was like “fuck scouting choice move ima just hit it”

chrome knot
#

1-0

spiral ridge
#

FUCK YEAH GIRL

bold geode
#

Pog

solid frigate
#

yeah astral kills here no matter what

chrome knot
#

played the mirror vs JPN player

spiral ridge
#

woah
Well done

bold geode
#

I see

spiral ridge
#

Kathy?

chrome knot
#

wat

spiral ridge
#

How’s she doing

chrome knot
#

still playing

#

pulled yuki LOL

bold geode
#

Easy pin right there

spiral ridge
#

O

solid frigate
chrome knot
#

yes

solid frigate
#

GL on that

chrome knot
spiral ridge
#

Scary

solid frigate
#

oof

chrome knot
spiral ridge
#

Mickey?

#

Oh gimicky?

chrome knot
spiral ridge
#

Oh that easy huh

bold geode
#

Simone played that pretty well

chrome knot
#

g1 i bp’d csr expecting tera & lost, g2 he bp’d csr for same and lost

#

g3 i cooked tho

spiral ridge
#

Oh
So same shit we did into each other lol
Good job :)

chrome knot
spiral ridge
#

Did stream die

#

Oh nvm

solid frigate
#

nope

spiral ridge
#

My WiFi is dying :)

solid frigate
#

f

south shuttle
#

i hate inceniroar

chrome knot
#

if not suffer

spiral ridge
#

If they guess you won’t Tera
Ruh roh

south shuttle
#

i keep seeing fake out

#

im going to go insane

solid frigate
#

boo hoo

south shuttle
#

dont worry

#

i have a new meta threat on the teaem

#

enamorus therian

#

ultimate wild card

solid frigate
#

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Enamorus-Therian in Rain on a critical hit: 168-198 (92.8 - 109.3%) -- 50.6% chance to OHKO

lofty tartan
#

There's a lot of things I'd call Enamorus, but I don't think ultimate wildcard is among them arkeknine

foggy lodge
solid frigate
solid frigate
lofty tartan
#

I call it "flutter mane at home"

solid frigate
lofty tartan
#

đŸ€·

#

Sylveon fills other roles than "special fairy attacker", whereas Enamorus really has no other applications or niche

foggy lodge
bold geode
#

Emma and Dillon 1-0

foggy lodge
#

LET'S GOOO

south shuttle
#

wwhat miraidon set is this?

#

i just did 55% to a miradion

#

with guts eq on ursaaluna??

solid frigate
#

Reflect+Tera fairy?

south shuttle
#

no reflect yes fairy

#

im so confused

solid frigate
#

probably specs with some bulk

south shuttle
#

it'd have to be 252 hp 252 defense to live that

solid frigate
#

did you add the spread damage nerf?

south shuttle
#

let me check

spiral ridge
#

Has next round stream started yet

solid frigate
#

not yet

spiral ridge
#

Sick

#

Had to leave soon as that 2-0 ended

solid frigate
#

DOUBLE BIKE ALERT

atomic mural
#

YOO DOUBLE BIKE THIS IS PEAK

lean ridge
#

Double bike scovillian and chesnaught

bold geode
#

I want whatever Michael Zhang is on

atomic mural
lean ridge
#

I’m excited to see how this plays out

solid frigate
#

its just Bikes Hypercarry if i am being real

lean ridge
#

Is this the same guy that brought the Rhydon to Milwaukee

shadow wind
bold geode
#

@strange juniper help idk what Michael smokes but I want it KEKW

lean ridge
#

How many full paras was that

thorny beacon
#

4

lean ridge
#

😭

thorny beacon
#

4 out of 5 turns 💀

solid frigate
#

F

spiral ridge
#

Horses fall to ice

bold geode
#

So update on Michael Zhang for comp chat here

#

So I had a friend who lost to Michael on SD this morning before NAIC and they pulled up replays

#

So some other considerations for team members are as follows

#

Iron Crown

#

Metagross

#

And most importantly

#

Mandibuzz

bold geode
#

Brute Bonnet now and Ursaluna with Korai Lunala for Wolfe hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#

Dillon is going against Emilio Forbes

#

DILLON NAME ON STREAM

solid frigate
#

isn't Emilio Forbes the 2018 Worlds Finalist?

lofty tartan
lofty tartan
#

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon: 88-105 (42.5 - 50.7%) -- 1.95% chance to 2HKO

Probably some bulk in combination of HP and defense and you just got a middling roll of 55%

#

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon: 109-129 (52.6 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

#

252/20 seems pretty likely

#

Just expect to 2-hit Tera fairy Mirai if it still has a partner on the board

bold geode
#

What was MDB's Amoongus set?

solid frigate
solid frigate
dense latch
#

mdb 🐐

spiral ridge
#

micahel maybe brough both restrict this time

chrome knot
#

2-1

bold geode
spiral ridge
bold geode
#

Spicy and Yotam are both 1-2 rn

#

Emma 2-1
Dillon still playing

#

Wolfe Glick is also still playing for you Wolfe fans

dense latch
bold geode
solid frigate
#

Landorus tried his best guys

next stump
dense latch
#

that’s huge

lofty tartan
bold geode
lofty tartan
#

So if it was at 65% did you do 45% or 50% because all of your information is sorta conflicting now.

Was probably sort of bulky and you just didn't account for doubles reducing the damage of spread moves. Some damage calculators force you to enable the feature. đŸ€·

lofty tartan
lofty tartan
solid frigate
bold geode
lofty tartan
#

A commander of things forever out of your reach arkeknine

ocean timber
#

1-2

bold geode
#

Incin just dominating

south shuttle
molten oasis
#

volarona stans rise up

#

we on the top 12 of day 1

south shuttle
#

i thought iron moth was an upgrade?

molten oasis
#

good defensive typing, strong redirector and nice damage mitigation with struggle bug

south shuttle
#

i guess loss of quiver dance wasnt good

molten oasis
#

its a wall to zama with flame body

#

solid set up sweeper too

south shuttle
#

so it's more of a tank build now

bold geode
#

I'm surprised I ain't see more Single Strike

foggy lodge
#

Brother

#

Look behind

mental bolt
#

@foggy lodgedid you get the code? i forgot to screen shot

foggy lodge
#
  1. Wolfey vs Wolfey lol
  2. Wolfey what the fuck is that team
foggy lodge
dense latch
foggy lodge
#

Let me search it

mental bolt
#

i got it.

#

ty

dull ibex
solid frigate
bold geode
dull ibex
dull ibex
solid frigate
dull ibex
solid frigate
dull ibex
#

im doing okay (npc answer)

solid frigate
#

we already have an NPC in this chat honestly

dull ibex
#

weegeecee

dull ibex
bold geode
#

DARK TERA ZAMAZENTA

craggy dagger
solid frigate
dull ibex
bold geode
#

Nils Zam Ogre?
I didn't see this round, I'll have to go back

solid frigate
left bobcat
#

Why shower when u can get water spouted by Kyogre

chrome knot
#

2-2 haxxed again

#

dropping @ x-3 ts making me so frustrated

left bobcat
#

Astral barrage

forest arrow
exotic grotto
bold geode
#

YOTAM ON STREAM

craggy dagger
bold geode
lofty tartan
forest arrow
#

Winning streak let’s goo

#

Gl luck to all of our players at NAIC rn

spiral ridge
chrome knot
#

2-3 drop im quitting lol

#

im tired of such ass results

spiral ridge
#

:( hugs

bold geode
exotic grotto
chrome knot
#

respectfully please fuck off😭😭😭😭

solid frigate
#

NPC moment

exotic grotto
#

Sorry

bold geode
#

My boy Cayden no

solid frigate
bold geode
#

Everyone watch this shit
Take notes

#

This match is finna be insane

bold geode
#

ATTENTION LADIES AND GENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE

#

I wanna take a moment to just say something

#

CONGRATS

#

TO @next stump FOR EARNING THE WORLDS INVITE

foggy lodge
#

HELL YEAH LET'S GOOOOOOOOO

solid frigate
#

Lets gooo