#competitive_discussion

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craggy dagger
next stump
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LOL

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turn 1 game 1 FF

solid frigate
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if i am being real here

chrome knot
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@next stump please help me

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what is the theory behind turn 1 miraidon +1 mirrors

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what tf is the most likely to be clicked

dense latch
solid frigate
next stump
chrome knot
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nono

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like in general for miraidon vs miraidon

next stump
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I almost always click electric moves

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because they are turbo scared of scarf draco

dense latch
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miraidon vs miraidon is some of the scariest mind games i've ever been in

mighty stump
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I feel I always play into Miraidon vs Miraidon ready to lose Miraidon every time

dense latch
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any of miraidon's moves are an option

mighty stump
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So I just never Tera and play assuming I will lose Miraidon

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Ultimate game of chicken and so far its worked most of the time

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Lmao

bold geode
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LOL
Bro's preparing the casket immediately

dull ibex
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Hello tofu and monke

bold geode
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Hello sir

dull ibex
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Miraidon Lunala has been my favorite lead so far

bold geode
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Bro someone ordered 12 packs of water and back here in some stuff to return was 12 packs of the water I need that are in good condition, the Lord has helped me today KekCry

plain drum
solid frigate
molten oasis
molten oasis
molten oasis
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"I, erased him. pop"

bold geode
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I call it a bat
Rhymes with Grug

bold geode
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@chrome knot I haz idea

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Do I make gay team for pride month

molten oasis
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you must

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(it'll have to include zacian) Wolfe_Hello

chrome knot
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what the fuck does a “gay team” even mean

bold geode
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Like
Basically like Hatterene DeeDee type shi

chrome knot
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what

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piloted by straight guy

molten oasis
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no he's gay with Throw

bold geode
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Well it's gay team at least

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Houston we have a problem

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I didn't think about the pilot part KEKW

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Wait
It'd be bad for straight man to make gay team anyways

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Houston, the Twitlongers are coming

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@chrome knot girl I'm sorry the more I think about it the more I realize it's a bad idea KekCry

bold geode
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Mainly the fact that a straight guy is making it

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We ain't making it out with this one

chrome knot
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yeah scratch that idea please

bold geode
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Yeah that one going in the bin

chrome knot
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stream sea lemon instead

bold geode
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Wtf is Sea Lemon

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Is this like the new parkour civilization or some shit

bold geode
chrome knot
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mm

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mhm her new album diving for a prize is beautiful

bold geode
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I see

lost sun
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destiny bond iron Val is fun ppl should use it more

bold geode
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Ma'am I think the femtanyl is getting to you cuz you're now listening to a fruit

bold geode
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Ah
I was finna say

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Next week you gonna be like "ah yes I love this new hit song from Banana"

craggy dagger
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oh ofc it’s tally hall KEKWCRY

spiral ridge
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Like no question on the apricot part
And yes banger

craggy dagger
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NeriQuestion
what’s with the reactions

spiral ridge
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Idk Emma being meanie

spiral ridge
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:(((

chrome knot
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:3

upbeat quail
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The team needs some work, but hisuian Avalugg is so niche and I love it

solid frigate
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what are the EVs calc for

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for Ho-Oh Specifically

chrome knot
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closin dat

solid frigate
lost sun
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disabled then encored

next stump
lost sun
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ah

next stump
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so the next turn they should have started struggling

chrome knot
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feeling myself for naic :3

next stump
chrome knot
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the use a real team was a good shout

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csr zam is rly fun

next stump
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pokémon is a sick game

tropic idol
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Can I join your party?

chrome knot
bold geode
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I fear the team is cooked

chrome knot
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i need learn sun mu then we ball tf out

bold geode
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I am a nerd

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I literally did a full ass analysis on a set of mine

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That's literally me talking about one set

chrome knot
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ive done replay reviews with friends that went on for 2 1/2 hoursFukingDies

tropic idol
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Can I join?

bold geode
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Keep in mind this is a public channel

bold geode
tropic idol
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The channel won’t let me join

bold geode
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What channel?

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There's nothing really to join here
This is the competitive discussion channel

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Where we discuss about competitive Pokemon about 40% of the time and random bullshit the other 60%

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Are you perhaps trying to learn about competitive Pokemon or no

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I think they left KEKW

bold geode
tropic idol
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Can you invite me?

tranquil kraken
chrome knot
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iwi

tranquil kraken
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bnuy

spiral ridge
grizzled island
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I wanna swap scraggy out, he just isn't lasting long enough, need ideas on who I can trade him out with

lean ridge
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Is it the coaching set?

rustic mountain
grizzled island
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I did and he still isn't lasting

grizzled island
lean ridge
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i run a similar team, it is usually pretty bulky as long as it isnt taking super effective hits from my experience

solid frigate
lean ridge
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and under trickroom u threaten them a lot with fakeout, endeavor, and coaching on CIR

solid frigate
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like 1-2 neutral ones

grizzled island
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Yeah that's what I'm going for but so far it isn't working out

Might have to try and find a new one to train

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He keeps getting taken out against this stupid team i keep seeing

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(The team I'm fighting is really good I'm just frustrated)

lean ridge
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whats ur tera type on it?

solid frigate
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Scraggy @ Eviolite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Fake Out
  • Foul Play
  • Coaching
  • Detect

Pretty sure this is suppose to be what you run

grizzled island
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One sec using item printer will check

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He's fighting tera

solid frigate
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go with Fairy

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Fairy or Water are solid defensive typing for it

grizzled island
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I'm trying to get more ability patches too rn so I can change to intimidate

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Is fairy weak to dark or ghost again?

grizzled island
solid frigate
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fairy is only weak to Poison and steel

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you need Foul play to beat Opposing Calyrex Ice Rider and Other Physical Attackers

grizzled island
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Like koridon right

lean ridge
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ive seen some versions of that set that run poison tera to resist fairy and fighting but fairy has better overall defensive coverage

solid frigate
grizzled island
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I think my ice rider is too fast cuz he's got 98 in speed, that's after me using berries to make sure its low af

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93 not 98 sorry

solid frigate
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Why is HP and SpD not maxed out

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And why is it Tera Psychic

grizzled island
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Cuz i just started making him

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I finished the rest of the team before I got the stupid bunny man

lean ridge
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the CIR might be faster than other CIRs u will run into but as long as ur scraggy underspeeds it u will still get the coaching value in TR

grizzled island
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Ahh okay ty

lean ridge
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np GengHeart

grizzled island
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My kyorgor also sucks lol I needa find water spout to put on him but can't for the life of me find it lol

lean ridge
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its a level up move and he only gets it at lvl 90 😭

grizzled island
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Thank God I'm close

lean ridge
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i use kyogre a lot and every time i get a new one i hate that i need to spend so much candy on it GengarSad

grizzled island
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I got the pokelotto💪✨️

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Got garbage 😡

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I just need ability patches 😭

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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i just have a google docs with an analysis on every single play i did in the doc

chrome knot
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honk

chrome knot
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homk

craggy dagger
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homk homk

chrome knot
craggy dagger
chrome knot
spiral ridge
chrome knot
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i love my wife alot

solid frigate
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gay Agenda moment

spiral ridge
chrome knot
spiral ridge
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apparently the homophobic dog name is whitney chewston, i am delighted to this info

spiral ridge
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theres so many whitney needs to calm down

chrome knot
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i dontttt

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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I DO

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I LIED I DEFINITELY HAVE ONE

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
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meow meow

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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break my neck into 36 pieces

spiral ridge
lean ridge
chrome knot
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@craggy dagger how do i make it stoppppp

lean ridge
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Atk iv is 1 as well which is pretty cool

lean ridge
spiral ridge
chrome knot
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who knew blinks were a good way to track advances

craggy dagger
lean ridge
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😭

craggy dagger
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you just have to accept it MumeiWheeze

spiral ridge
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:3
i have 6 dollars to my name

lean ridge
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i get all my comp stuff from bdsp since the blinks are so easy to track

craggy dagger
solid frigate
chrome knot
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blinks are rookie tier

spiral ridge
spiral ridge
chrome knot
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i renewed my boobie pills today @spiral ridge

spiral ridge
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i know hun you told me you went out for them 😭

chrome knot
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oohhh…

spiral ridge
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at 3 pm love

chrome knot
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ohh

lean ridge
chrome knot
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usum

lean ridge
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ooo i see

chrome knot
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sapphire

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i prefer rolling seeds but some prefer dead battery

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gen4 is good for cute charm so makes specific hunts rly quick

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and the IDs are rly satisfying

lean ridge
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yea im not too familiar with rng, i only got back into pokemon in the nintendo switch era but the blinking looked super easy so i tried picking it up

chrome knot
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its very

lean ridge
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it was in fact quite easy

bold geode
spiral ridge
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Blahaj reveal now

fickle void
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I heard blahaj

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Show. 👁👁

fickle void
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Silly ikea shark

chrome knot
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i cant bro i was a liar so she wouldn’t send me one

solid frigate
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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True lmao

chrome knot
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treeweeeeeeee

rustic mountain
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lmao

molten oasis
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Well nah it’s more like

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Zacian watching kyogre spout me after play rough missed

bold geode
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I wanna jump off a cliff

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Start this tour, get a free win, then go 0-2 after
Now if I lose another set I'm out

astral kelp
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i swear showdown is bugged or something

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play rough misses WAY too often

solid frigate
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ok thats just copium

solid frigate
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i'm so done

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like losing to Scarf CSR is my limit

languid ocean
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ok I have a theoretical question and i cba mathing

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would a +2 Spe CIR with max speed investment, 31IV, +Speed nature outspeed CSR in TW

solid frigate
solid frigate
languid ocean
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yea S31 is out so I want to make a meme team

mighty stump
languid ocean
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like max bulk investment -Spe nature Hatterene with Agility and Baton Pass

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into an AV max speed CIR

craggy dagger
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what’s the worst planar

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also go to bed bonkgif

solid frigate
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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-8ball is it wise to drop thundy t regardless of the results it makes

gentle cragBOT
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is it wise to drop thundy t regardless of the results it makes
:8ball: It is certain

molten oasis
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Ty for your service thundy t

craggy dagger
oak linden
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Anyone wanna have double reg i battle?

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DM thx

foggy lodge
spiral ridge
solid frigate
astral kelp
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is terapagos csr even good

chrome knot
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yes

next stump
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good morning competitive discussion

chrome knot
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gm

solid frigate
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gm

dense latch
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gm

next stump
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9 days until NAIC sobpog

chrome knot
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7 days till i fly

next stump
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are you staying till sunday or monday?

chrome knot
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monday

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are u staying till sunday or monday?

next stump
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monday also 😄

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I think I fly in like 10AM Thursday and leave like 8AM Monday

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something like that

chrome knot
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oh…

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i was gonna say lets hangout monday but you leave so early

next stump
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pokemon trips for me are always business trips

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in and out

waxen dock
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can i use the switch 2 in naic?

next stump
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nope 😦

chrome knot
next stump
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it was a lot cheaper to fly monday morning hahaha

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I took the cheapest options

chrome knot
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my flight costed 260cad i got a steal

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of a flight for wed-monday afternoon

next stump
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that is a sick deal

exotic grotto
next stump
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Not for this season at least

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It will hopefully be allowed next year

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It has to do with the docking ports you plug your switch into

exotic grotto
spiral ridge
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They’ll prob full transition to switch 2 next pokemon gen as it’ll prob be 2 only anyways

next stump
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It’s gotta be 2 years away at least right?

spiral ridge
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Idk I’m not that wise

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Just seemed logical guess

next stump
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My ultimate hope is that pokemon champions is out sooner rather than later

upbeat quail
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Lmao some people get so toxic on showdown. It’s wild

spiral ridge
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They did it for Wii U to switch
Only like a year of games were shared even though it was strong enough for switch games

upbeat quail
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I use niche Strats for fun, not expecting to win much, but some get so full of themselves when they beat my hisuian Avalugg strat with their top 4 regional copy/paste team.

next stump
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showdown is super toxic sometimes

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EU is especially bad I feel like

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Italians will rip you a new one for getting a crit

dense latch
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i've gotten pretty lucky with showdown toxicity

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i dont think i've faced many aside from some foreign insults here and there

bold geode
solid frigate
exotic grotto
solid frigate
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nah its just

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funny to me

shadow wind
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I don’t know if I’ve ever had a “toxic” showdown experience

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Like people have been rude but it’s never that serious I don’t think

chrome knot
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those are staged GiggleHehe

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Cloud Nine

While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.

next stump
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is that for kyogre?

rare pumice
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Does Parabolic Charge hit both opponents?

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thank you

dense latch
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that's just wrong tho

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parabolic charge hits all other pokemon on the field

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all adjacent pokemon

south shuttle
dense latch
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you just do /dt parabolic charge in any chat

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can also do the same in this channel

rare pumice
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I'm thinking about using Overheat on Miraidon for Rillaboom and Amoongus since I'm not yet convinced that Dazzling Gleam is what I want

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Parabolic Charge

The user recovers 1/2 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

south shuttle
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because i thought it was like bulldoze

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where it openly states it hits adjacent foes

rare pumice
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I change my mind on Overheat now that I've seen Electro Drift calcs-

bold geode
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How we doin chat

bold geode
next stump
bold geode
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@rare pumice Dazzling Gleam is good unless you want AV or Scarf or Tera Electric, Electro Drift is always a move you run and Draco yeah just big boom

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If you're not Specs Tera Fairy, Snarl is also good

rare pumice
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I haven't played competitive in a restricted format since Sword and Shield so I have a lot to learn

bold geode
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But yeah Volt Switch, Drift and Draco are usually like
Your always ran moves unless you're specific sets like a CM Parabolic one

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@south shuttle also yes if you haven't seen yet, Parabolic is a move that hits everything on the field

rare pumice
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A more defensive set like that would normally be interesting to me but I think I'll try more offense first

bold geode
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Yeah offensive is usually better for Miraidon imo
The most defensive set I like personally is like
AV Tera Electric sets

bold geode
# south shuttle ah

Yeah
It's why like
If you saw the Parabolic team on stream in Portland, it's why two Pokemon had a Ground tera
Well Zacian Ground Tera Blast is good for other Mirai and other stuff but there's also that

rare pumice
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I'm guessing Ursaluna and Archaludon should be my primary focus for countering in order to protect Miraidon

bold geode
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Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
Ursaluna yes that is a threat
Archaludon not really

rare pumice
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did Archaludon fall off a little or is it just not as big of a problem as I'm thinking?

bold geode
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Archaludon is kind of sitting on the sidewalk asking for change rn

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Single restricted it wasn't the best and like
Idt I've seen a singular one across the at least 300 games I've probably played of double restricted

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If you're playing Miraidon, you wanna be able to have good MUs into a few things

  1. Ursaluna
  2. Rillaboom
  3. Other Miraidon (though mirrors are usually a bitch anyways)
  4. Calyrex Ice Rider
    Just to name a few
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There's also like Calyrex Shadow Rider but if you don't have a MU for that you're genuinely throwing

rare pumice
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I'm thinking about getting Grimmsnarl on the team I think that on its own can answer Shadow Rider

bold geode
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On its own nope but it does help

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Calyrex Shadow is not a one Mon solved situation

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Those screens can be broken thru

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The screens are good
But if you only have Grimm for the horse then it's just delaying the inevitable

rare pumice
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Well I was more thinking if Sucker Punch was one of the moves I'm using, plus I want Grimmsnarl for his screens anyways on top of that

bold geode
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That won't solve all of them due to terrastalization

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A lot except for the Sash variants which can live a hit anyways all run defensive teras like Normal, Fairy or Dark

rare pumice
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I always forget to keep that in mind before I reach the battle field

chrome knot
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nickelmonke

bold geode
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Right
That's the big thing

rare pumice
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and if I'm facing a Shadow Rider I'm guessing they'll focus on Terastalizing that anyways

bold geode
spiral ridge
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No

bold geode
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Also for attacks you probably either want Spirit Break or Foul Play tbh

chrome knot
rare pumice
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does the Quark Drive affect dissipate alongside electric terrain or does it stay after the fact

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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nuh uh you don’t

bold geode
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Goes away unless there's a Booster Energy on the mon

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Which there normally isn't

spiral ridge
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For you and another friend

chrome knot
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noooo

spiral ridge
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Mhm :3

molten oasis
rare pumice
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Are there other viable options for Grimmsnarl other than Light Clay for Battle Stadium or is that non-negotiable

spiral ridge
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What else would you want

chrome knot
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for you to stopppppp

bold geode
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Light Clay is what you want
Those extra turns for screens matters

spiral ridge
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I didn’t do nuthin

chrome knot
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:(

bold geode
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Besides like only other items for it rn would maybe be Cloak but like
No one Fake Outs the Grimm

spiral ridge
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Wtffff

chrome knot
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theres a bunny at my door soon you know what youve done

rare pumice
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I really like Parting Shot Grimmsnarl

spiral ridge
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You can use that with clay

bold geode
chrome knot
bold geode
molten oasis
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Yea monke

spiral ridge
molten oasis
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What if screens loses me the game

bold geode
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Genuinely rn if you're the Life Orb set, just set up a Nasty Plot

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Then screens don't mean shit then

chrome knot
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but they do…

bold geode
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You think they would

chrome knot
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i have been playing csr zam

bold geode
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But try fighting those screens teams, set up a Nasty Plot and see those damage numbers

rare pumice
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I feel like if I'm using Parting Shot on Grimmsnarl and since Battle Stadium matches are a little fast I think I might go with Covert Cloak, each turn kind of depends on Grimmsnarl doing what he does best

spiral ridge
bold geode
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That shit is actually crazy

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At least in my experience they always break thru screens

next stump
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covert cloak is really good in closed teamsheet

bold geode
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In fact lemme

chrome knot
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turns you into a covert cloak @spiral ridge

spiral ridge
rare pumice
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Is Skeledirge doing anything right now

chrome knot
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ur a covert cloak

molten oasis
bold geode
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220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl: 57-68 (28.2 - 33.6%) -- 0.17% chance to 3HKO
So here's no Nasty Plot
No screens right

chrome knot
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ok but there’s another pokemon

bold geode
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220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 38-45 (18.8 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO
Here's Light Screen

next stump
molten oasis
bold geode
spiral ridge
molten oasis
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Lmfao

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There were no good gifs of electro drift

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Nvm I’m just dumb

rare pumice
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how does Shadow Rider break past dark types normally, or is that just up to its teammates

molten oasis
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Poor crabrawler

chrome knot
bold geode
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+2 220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 77-91 (38.1 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
This is with the screen on their side and a Plot boost on your horse

molten oasis
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CSR loves Koraidon and Zamazenta rn for that reason

bold geode
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In terms of just raw damage numbers
You are doing more damage thru those screens with the Nasty Plot boost
Than you did without the screen and the boost in mind

left bobcat
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Herro everyone

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Long time no fake out

rare pumice
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it's kind of a funky idea but I'm wondering about Snorlax now

bold geode
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Those screens don't matter as much as you think

chrome knot
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they spirit break

left bobcat
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Yeah my spirit is broken

bold geode
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Like honestly a Nasty Plot Calyrex against the Utrecht team
Just washes

molten oasis
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Spirit break snarl Wolfe_Hello

chrome knot
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yes seed cir is a good mu for csr zam

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the grass is green

bold geode
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Milwaukee ain't bad either

left bobcat
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What?

bold geode
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Anyways my point is
The screens don't like dampen your damage as much as you think they do

molten oasis
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Milwaukee team I’m guessing

bold geode
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Which is what I'm saying here

left bobcat
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Leech seed

molten oasis
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Yes

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CIR plays lefties leech seed now

left bobcat
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I tried that last year it was funny

molten oasis
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Welcome to regulation I

left bobcat
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Leftovers, sub, leech seed, grassy terrain ice rider

next stump
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anyone know the interaction between leech seed and psychic noise if the psychic noise lands first?

left bobcat
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I tried to do the same with shadow rider but eh the sub would break easily

next stump
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is it like drain punch where the move fails?

chrome knot
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i think seed fails

dense latch
bold geode
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And sure
"Spirit Break"
But we can go about that whole cycle of what about this
That's part of playing the game

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You gotta figure it tf out

next stump
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MudThink thank you

left bobcat
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Tera grass, giga drain, leech seed, leftovers shadow rider

chrome knot
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the answer is dont lead zam😱

exotic grotto
bold geode
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Uhhhh
Dillon what are the numbers?

molten oasis
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Isn’t it like 33%?

bold geode
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Isn't it like 33% in doubles?

shadow wind
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Screens only block 1/3 of the damage in doubles

exotic grotto
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Thank you!

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Reflect

For 5 turns, the user and its party members take 0.5x damage from physical attacks, or 0.66x damage if in a Double Battle. Damage is not reduced further with Aurora Veil. Critical hits ignore this effect. It is removed from the user's side if the user or an ally is successfully hit by Brick Break, Psychic Fangs, or Defog. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Light Clay. Fails if the effect is already active on the user's side.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

solid frigate
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yeah 0.66

bold geode
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A third ok
I think it's 50% in singles

molten oasis
#

It’s .66

rare pumice
#

if Calyrex uses Psyshock would the damage be halved by Light Screen or Reflect?

solid frigate
#

yeah screens in singles are stronger in doubles

dense latch
#

reflect since it deals physical dmg

shadow wind
#

Oh what

bold geode
#

Reflect actually
It is taking Defense into account

solid frigate
#

special damage but does on physical defense

shadow wind
#

Strange

dense latch
#

wait never mind

#

: it uses the user's Special Attack, activates Mirror Coat and Maranga Berry (not Counter or Kee Berry), has its damage reduced by Light Screen (not Reflect), etc.

bold geode
#

Like Psyshock can be boosted by Chien Pao

left bobcat
#

Damn that kinda fried my brain a little

rare pumice
#

the showdown damage calculator says light screen halves it but I'm not sure if it's just not accounting for psyshock's confusion or not

molten oasis
#

Psyshock’s a weird move

tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: Psyshock

Deals damage to the target based on its Defense instead of Special Defense.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

dense latch
#

conner is right

shadow wind
#

So some call me the goat for knowing weird interactions

next stump
#

I thought that screens blocked 50% of damage until I was playing a win and in for day 2 a couple years ago and I got a crit that I thought mattered but my opponent told me I always knocked out

#

I’m the wrong guy to ask for that

bold geode
#

I never really knew that interaction

shadow wind
#

Too bad I folded too quickly

next stump
#

I just click buttons

bold geode
#

LOL

molten oasis
#

lol

left bobcat
#

I just attack

shadow wind
#

I just Groudon

molten oasis
#

I have to think I don’t play horses or bikes

#

Go go gadget behemoth blade

left bobcat
shadow wind
#

Got money on my mind

left bobcat
#

Got gravity on my mind

shadow wind
#

Exactly

rare pumice
#

would the current format be too dangerous for Snorlax

molten oasis
#

Got missing on my mind

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

Yes, unless you’re tofu

shadow wind
#

Thick fat goated

molten oasis
#

I wonder if he made a snorlax team

shadow wind
#

Resists both horses

left bobcat
#

Assault vest thick fat snorlax

bold geode
#

If Snorlax fits in this meta, I'm eating my shoe

shadow wind
#

Well I don’t know if it “fits”

shadow wind
#

But it can definitely be used

bold geode
left bobcat
#

True snorlax is like FAT

molten oasis
#

Doesn’t this look delicious monke wdym

left bobcat
#

not sure snorlax fits in anything

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Probably right

bold geode
#

Like what are the macros in a Nike shoe

shadow wind
#

Belly drum couldn’t work though

left bobcat
shadow wind
#

Toby Fox is a person sent from God

left bobcat
#

Sent from arceus

shadow wind
#

I only ever played chapter 1

molten oasis
#

Chapter 2 is a major upgrade

#

I’m hoping chapter 3+4 are also really good

rare pumice
#

how does Corviknight do as an Ursaluna answer

shadow wind
#

Good but bad into everything else

left bobcat
#

Yeah

shadow wind
#

If you want a better Ursaluna answer there’s been some pick up in Sinistcha

left bobcat
#

Bro will get cooked by miraidon/raging bolt

solid frigate
#

reflect+Whatever the fuck has decent enoiugh bulk works

shadow wind
#

I hate how bulky he is

left bobcat
#

Rage powder Sinistcha

rare pumice
#

does Raging Bolt run Discharge

shadow wind
#

No

left bobcat
#

But miraidon does

molten oasis
#

Let’s nerf calyrex next gen/in champions

shadow wind
shadow wind
solid frigate
#

thunderclap thunderbolt draco meteor/dragon pulse electroweb

#

or snarl

left bobcat
#

Or protect

molten oasis
#

No lol

#

At least not normally, most Mirai are choice locked or av

#

Unless youre the parabolic charge set

left bobcat
#

Wait miraidon knows thunderclap?

molten oasis
#

No

left bobcat
#

I thought we were talking about raging bolt

molten oasis
#

I thought we were talking about miraidon

left bobcat
next stump
#

yooo random thought that most people might not care about but last year at the end of June they released a ton of details about the upcoming season of IRL tournaments.

Stuff like asymmetric cut, point totals, BFLs, etc. So hopefully we have some news coming soon 🙂

left bobcat
#

Electric seed/leftovers miraidon

next stump
#

Also shoutout me for being COMPLETELY wrong

molten oasis
#

Didn’t have the funds this year to do anything, or friends

chrome knot
rare pumice
#

what quark drive users would pair well with Miraidon and Grimmsnarl in your opinion. So far I'm thinking Iron Valient maybe, or perhaps Iron Moth

molten oasis
#

Iron hands

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

If you pick anything it’s iron hands

next stump
#

I don’t know what I was smoking

molten oasis
chrome knot
next stump
#

2 months later I said 800 which was at least closer hahaha

solid frigate
chrome knot
#

my guess has been 930+

next stump
#

I’m so curious for if they’re gonna do anything to worlds qualification. I really really hope they do, but I don’t actually think they will

molten oasis
#

It’s pretty hard to get in which sucks

rare pumice
#

is Electric Seed Iron Hands an option then

next stump
#

Yeah, it kills a lot of people’s desire to play the game and travel. It’s a tough balancing act pokémon has to deal with

molten oasis
next stump
#

They want an exclusive (and cheaper) worlds but it’s at the cost of your average/slightly above average player having a good shot to go if they’re committed

solid frigate
next stump
#

All of my IRL friends have quit outside of driving distance regionals

rare pumice
#

Thank you

molten oasis
#

That’s unfortunate

#

You do have to be really good to have a chance at a worlds invite

#

Ontop of it just being really expensive

solid frigate
#

In this meta game if you are playing future paradox mons that is not Hands,bundle or treads, you are fucking throwing

left bobcat
#

Ouchb

solid frigate
#

ig juggy as well

dense latch
#

poor valiant ):

#

it got top 8 at bologna it deserves some respect

craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

Is fluttermane a FUTURE paradox Mon?

bold geode
#

Anyways I gotta go run errands but before that
My hot take

craggy dagger
bold geode
#

I still have stocks in this bitch

molten oasis
bold geode
#

Best restricted rn
In my opinion

#

Lunala

molten oasis
left bobcat
#

I’m starting to understand dursh

molten oasis
#

Why Lunala?

left bobcat
#

Wide guard

molten oasis
#

Bruh if the criteria for being the best restricted was wide guard we could put pelipper up there

left bobcat
#

In the double restricted reg Lunala definitely shines

next stump
#

Yeah worlds invite realistically has to cost at LEAST $1000 unless you’re very very good at the game OR living like a homeless person at regionals

#

and for most people it’s probably double or triple that

left bobcat
#

Triple restricted format 🔥

solid frigate
solid frigate
next stump
#

there are people who just bum the floor of someone they know’s hotel

left bobcat
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

Damn, that’s rough

left bobcat
molten oasis
#

You pay for the flight then live on the floor

rare pumice
#

how would Gliscor do right now

left bobcat
chrome knot
solid frigate
solid frigate
rare pumice
#

alright

left bobcat
#

Bro explodes to an icy wind/ice shard

#

Without Tera

solid frigate
rare pumice
#

alright what about Bronzong

solid frigate
rare pumice
#

alright

left bobcat
#

Using gliscor in doubles just- bleh

molten oasis
#

Wasn’t there a brief moment in reg h where it was good

rare pumice
#

I remember it being a good check to Sneasler

left bobcat
#

Yeah reg h

solid frigate
#

but this format-

#

its a death sentence to nothing

molten oasis
#

Let’s not, we’re stuck in this format for a few months

#

Might as well just embrace it at this rate

#

Or not play

rare pumice
#

I think Bronzong might be my Ursaluna answer

solid frigate
left bobcat
#

Kung fu bear , the whale, the popsicle cat, the horse gliscor is a no go

solid frigate
#

ummmmm acktuacly

left bobcat
#

Yeah I haven’t played this current format in a while

solid frigate
#

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Tera Bug Iron Hands through Reflect: 130-154 (53.7 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Tera Bug Iron Hands through Reflect: 56-66 (23.1 - 27.2%) -- possible 5HKO

bold geode
# molten oasis Why Lunala?

Has many great sets rn, is a restricted that synergizes well with a bunch of mons and Shadow Shield is broken
Some other things too

#

Im out laterr

molten oasis
#

Ic

rare pumice
#

how common is trick room right now?

chrome knot
#

pretty

rare pumice
#

imprison Bronzong is starting to interest me then

left bobcat
#

Dark Urshifu is starting to interest me more than rapid

next stump
#

bronzong’s biggest issue is folding to calyrex shadow rider and lunala

#

if you can have great matchups into those two otherwise, then sure

rare pumice
#

Well I would only really need to bring out against trick room teams so that won't always be an issue for me (in Battle Stadium Doubles btw)

chrome knot
left bobcat
#

Shadow rider u can wide guard if u can but yeh Lunala is sometimes more difficult

tiny karmaBOT
#
Bronzong's moveset:
Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Feint Attack, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Hard Press, Heavy Slam, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Natural Gift, Payback, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Steel Roller, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dream Eater, Expanding Force, Extrasensory, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Night Shade, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Stored Power, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gravity, Guard Swap, Heal Block, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Bronzong.

next stump
#

it doesnt get wide guard

#

otherwise that pokemon would be sick

rare pumice
#

what about Wide Guard Armarouge?

left bobcat
#

What about wide guard smeargle?

next stump
#

are you still running miraidon? If so then Iron Valiant is a decent option

#

wide guard/spirit break/close combat/4th move

left bobcat
#

COACHHHHH

chrome knot
#

wg taunt

next stump
#

I played against a feint valiant at milwaukee and that shit was annoying

chrome knot
#

what the

solid frigate
#

Miraidon what tho

#

what is the second res

next stump
#

it completely changed my matchup cause oger-rock/CIR wasn't as safe

#

but luckily volc was my goat

#

it was miraidon/CIR

chrome knot
#

goin into naic with like a half working sun mu

#

wish me luckNekoLaugh

ocean timber
rare pumice
next stump
chrome knot
#

🫡

solid frigate
chrome knot
craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

Fluttermane isn’t a future paradox lol

rare pumice
ocean timber
spiral ridge
next stump
#

just tested myself, it'll still go off just wont heal CIR

#

that's a shame was really hoping it would fail

molten oasis
#

Bummer

chrome knot
#

we choosing to struggle alot here

ocean timber
#

I actually have a terrible sun matchup too bc of tera types and my other restricted

dense latch
#

chat how do i convince my friend to use volc

chrome knot
#

ah.

#

🫡 see you at the side events

astral kelp
#

NO SHOT

#

WHERE DID MY TEAMS GO

next stump
astral kelp
#

NOOO PLEASSE

next stump
#

did you clear your cookies?

spiral ridge
#

Happened to nova recently too I think

molten oasis
#

Volcarona’s really cool

dense latch
# next stump

i tried 😭 we've been theorizing scarf mirai too i feel like that's really good into the meta but he says volc's ass

astral kelp
next stump
#

ah shit that'll do it I think

molten oasis
#

I am much better with it than I was at NAIC last year lol

next stump
#

did you manage to save any of them to the showdown server

molten oasis
#

The volc on that team made no sense

astral kelp
#

dude thats so fucked

#

i didnt

molten oasis
#

Rip

astral kelp
#

i had like

#

200 teams+

dense latch
#

that's horrible

molten oasis
#

That’s a lot of lost teams damn

next stump
chrome knot
#

hot take other than building timeline shitposts i delete all my teams

molten oasis
#

Do you save your ev spreads?

astral kelp
#

no mannn

#

its all gone
literally hours and hours of my life

next stump
#

😦

chrome knot
molten oasis
#

Valid

molten oasis
#

It happens and it sucks

astral kelp
#

fuck mannn

#

its because i was doing some programing shit on p5.js and it crashed firefox

#

im actually lowkey hearbroken lmao

#

you guys know any way to get cashed stuff back

dense latch
#

hopefully you're able to find some teams you've sent in paste form or in images in the server

astral kelp
#

yeah theres a few

#

at least theres that lol

solid frigate
#

don't see an vision on making it faster than Grimm who 90% always goes first thanks to prankster screens and Twave

rare pumice
#

yeah I guess vision is something I'm lacking in, it's just that I have trick room on the team to cancel out opposing trick rooms, so I'm not sure if I should have Iron Hands have speed investment or not

solid frigate
#

usually not unless its balance teams without trick room

rare pumice
#

Alright, thank you

astral kelp
#

OH SHIT

solid frigate
solid frigate
astral kelp
#

yeah smart

#

lets explode my pc

chrome knot
#

76*

astral kelp
#

this is gonna break

#

oh god im scared

craggy dagger
next stump
#

saves a lot of leg work

chrome knot
#

yippee my team dodges the sheet

astral kelp
#

holy fuck

#

huh tf is this

next stump
#

just the sample team hahaha

#

you put your real team up there instead

astral kelp
#

ohh i see cool!

#

fuck idk if this is working

#

i got my reg g teams back i guess

#

a few reg is

#

i had waaay more tho but its okay could be worse

rare pumice
solid frigate
#

mmmmm

spiral ridge
#

Pretty heavy TR so prob cir

rare pumice
#

What is cir?

lean ridge
#

calyrex ice rider

rare pumice
#

alright thank you, I'm unfamiliar with some of the acronyms and terms

spiral ridge
#

Ah sorry yeah calyrex ice rider

#

Very good in trick room

chrome knot
#

no its not

#

150spe mon is not good in trick room

spiral ridge
#

Wha

#

Do not max speed your ice horse

molten oasis
#

Wha?

chrome knot
#

it maxes @ 222spe

spiral ridge
#

Oh
What’s 150 then

solid frigate
#

i think someone punched Emma so hard that they speaks stuff

rare pumice
#

I am in need of many questions, I need to learn as much as I can

molten oasis
#

150 it’s base speed

chrome knot
tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice
Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

molten oasis
#

Could be 200 Wolfe_Hello

rare pumice
spiral ridge
chrome knot
#

yes yes no

spiral ridge
#

If no protect isn’t AV just always better

chrome knot
#

do not av ever on hard tr

rare pumice
#

I have a different AV user in mind right now, but if I use leftovers would protect be better then

chrome knot
#

lorb tera normal or delete it

molten oasis
#

What Mon we talking about?

spiral ridge
#

Listen to Emma here ima trust her more

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

Lorb is life orb btw

molten oasis
#

Ursa runs Tera normal LORB?

#

Never heard of that one lol

rare pumice
#

I guess that makes sense for a hard trick room team

chrome knot
solid frigate
#

Blursa-

chrome knot
#

jus go bloodmoon hyper voice earth power protect @ life orb tera normal

molten oasis
solid frigate
#

this chat is something else-

molten oasis
#

SAY BLURSA THE FIRST TIME MORRIS

rare pumice
#

I am thinking about putting Kingambit on the trick room team to better resist both Calys but I'm not sure how sure I am

molten oasis
#

My brain thinks of normal Ursa

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

Nope

chrome knot
#

put urshifu dark

solid frigate
#

Dark Shifu saves the day

molten oasis
#

Just say blursa regardless of the context lol

#

I look like an s tier moron now

rare pumice
#

I do like Urshifu dark

#

would I still train Urshifu in speed for when trick room is down or do I try to make it work with low speed

chrome knot
#

0spe choice band

rare pumice
#

thank you

bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
molten oasis
craggy dagger
#

swords dance MumeiSmug3

little plank
#

Got my receipt to pick up my switch 2 at 11 lol

next stump
#

Same hahaha

wispy spade
#

Has sylveon ever been able to learn wrap?

solid frigate
little plank
#

Kinda over violet and scarlet lol

#

Tcg*

rare pumice
#

is kanto Arcanine generally not viable in a format with Incineroar/with restricted pokemon

rare pumice
#

I thought so sadly

dense latch
#

incineroar outclasses it in almost every aspect

rare pumice
#

and I'd imagine its hisuian counterpart outclasses it in what ever is left over

dense latch
#

in reg e where both were allowed and incin wasn't in the game yet both had similar usage

#

arcanine hisui is a more offensive intimidate mon

#

arcanine resembles incineroar a bit more as its built bulkier

rare pumice
#

I think my favorite defensive set for a fire type I've used is Volcarona even if I don't have a high success rate

dense latch
#

volc is a good pokemon right now

#

works well as a with quiver dance under screens or as support

rare pumice
#

is Iron Moth able to work defensively too?

solid frigate
solid frigate
tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 994: Iron Moth
Types

Fire/Poison

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/60/140/110/110

Total

570

solid frigate
#

nope

dense latch
#

iron moth is def not built to be defensive

rare pumice
#

I have a defensive Crobat set that I like using in story playthroughs in older games that makes me really wish the power level wasn't as high as it is sometimes

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 637: Volcarona
Types

Bug/Fire

Abilities

Flame Body, Swarm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/65/135/105/100

Total

550

molten oasis
solid frigate
#

like genuinely how do we tell him

molten oasis
#

It is worse defensively I thought it wasn’t lol

dense latch
#

volc at least has the tools to be good support with flame body + rage powder + will-o-wisp etc

molten oasis
#

Moth is just offensive and slither wing is dogshit

forest arrow
#

lol

molten oasis
#

Which is unfortunate cuz that’s one of my favorite paradox mons

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

(I love Volcarona)

forest arrow
#

Volc is great

molten oasis
#

Volc sucks on rain so I can’t really use it

#

At least not well

forest arrow
#

Weaker defensively but flame body helps in that regard

molten oasis
#

And Zac Mirai is clunky

dense latch
shadow wind
shadow wind
lean ridge
#

random question but if my eviolite user gets hit with knock off, is the damage calculated before or after the item is knocked off

foggy lodge
#

Passive and loser support Volc vs winner and offensive QD Volc

lean ridge
#

i see ty

solid frigate
#

octillery

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

I think Zama Mirai QD Volc can pop off at NAIC

bold geode
#

Just say you like Joe's team again

ocean timber
#

Watching everyone on the switch 2 tmrw while I can’t transfer my data until after NAIC

chrome knot
#

transfer a diff sabe

#

like I transferring my violet and leaving my scarlet on switch 1 for naic

tranquil kraken
#

worlds is on switch 1 too right?

ocean timber
#

nothing on that yet iirc

knotty mirage
ocean timber
bold geode
#

I'm just waiting to buy it that way I can see whatever is wrong with it

knotty mirage
#

Unless they can makes dock that work for switch 1 and 2 i don't think switch 2 will be allowed yet on regional or word

bold geode
#

Right now it's not allowed for NAIC

foggy lodge
#

btw

knotty mirage
foggy lodge
#

Neil got top 1 on showdown ladder with toxic pagos

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

It isn't bad

spiral ridge
#

emma caused this

foggy lodge
#

Its basically the same leech seed CIR reasoning

bold geode
#

@chrome knot explain yourself

molten oasis
#

so we now have toxic pagos

#

whats next toxic stall eternatus becomes meta?

foggy lodge
#

Toxic pagos + leech seed CIR

#

My new team let's gooo

solid frigate
solid frigate
#

disgrace

knotty mirage
solid frigate
#

i love how Gen 6-8 have fast paced Double res Format while Gen 9 we have Stall

knotty mirage
#

Too many bulky restricted

#

We don't have gigantamax or dynamax anymore too brute force throught stall

bold geode
knotty mirage
#

Oh yeah and tera makes the matter worse

solid frigate
#

ya know sometimes Urshifu may be a necessary evil

molten oasis
#

this is why i play swords dnace

#

leech seed me ill get +6 and nuke you instead

knotty mirage
foggy lodge
#

Urshifu is necessary

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Guaranteed crits on Urshifu is necessary

#

Hitting through protect isn't lol

knotty mirage
#

Without it stall will thrive unless they introduce some gimmick that can dish out damage like z moves

molten oasis
#

fellas if you dont run urshifu ggs

knotty mirage
#

Yeah i think people would prefer seeing urhsifu than watching a stally match on regional

solid frigate
#

this dude technically hold on the line to gen 9 being so stally

Thank god CSR Zama won the latest event

Cuz last 3 times are bulk

knotty mirage
#

Watching toxic and protect stall everywhere will just makes regional boring as hell

solid frigate
#

i only barely won against Stall by a timer cuz i got more health than the opponent even tho i have lesser mons

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

It's June 14th, you get to the venue to play the North American International Championship with your Leech Seed Calyrex Ice Rider and Miraidon team, as you sit on your chair to play the first round, your opponent gives you their teamsheet, you read it, it's a Toxic Terapagos team

bold geode
molten oasis
#

im not looking forward to naic if im gonna be watching pagos and CIR stall

#

not fun gameplay to watch

solid frigate
#

atp even FO cycling is more entertaining

knotty mirage
foggy lodge
#

Except that stall plays fake out cycling

molten oasis
#

thats even worse

foggy lodge
#

Let's gooo

solid frigate
molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

MDB's team had Incin and Hands

solid frigate
#

we must fight with Urshifus in this one

foggy lodge
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Pagos teams play Rilla Incin

knotty mirage
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Ooof

solid frigate
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Urshifu is the hero of the story is something i never would anticipated

molten oasis
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"You're NAIC champion is MDB with toxic terapagos"
me: GET ME OUT OF THIS HELL

knotty mirage
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Yeah i think if stall team become meta we will see more urhsifu in play again

solid frigate
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atp VGC just becomes Smogon OU lmao

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no offense

knotty mirage
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Leech seed caly and toxic terapagos everywhere bloody hell yeah i'm not sure if i want to touch cart ladder for a while

foggy lodge
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Also there was a Groudon + CSR perish team high on ladder

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Not sure if it's Wolfey