#competitive_discussion
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idk its just funny seeing a tier list and 1 category is "yea i tried these" and thats it
Man six hours til the end of my job. Can't end soon enough 
I love how Groudon is always the worst good option
he knows his place
Back in Hoenn
LMAO
actually i needa fix this
technically yeah
i got Lunala in Showdown Tour Before
CSR i have tried but i have Skill issue
Solgaleo is from Monke's GC team from Teambuild group collab
NDW i built a rental for it
Koraidon is also in project for Teambuild group
I almost bring Zamazenta to bham
You did lol
i just swapped from
Terapagos>Kyogre>Miraidon>Miraidon>CIR
and then for double res
its just not really a tier list then haha its just like hey this is wat i tried and where it fell on wat felt good and wat didnt
i'm just lazy to split them lol

The Ho Oh hate
mirai came pretty natural to me when practicing openers on miraidon teams to prep for cir/mirai compositions
csr was fun on balance when I prepped w/ lorcy & mattie morgan for euic&vancouver
lunala I played a bunch in USPA and she was my GOAT
cm kyogre I only used in showdown practice when I was bored of CIR and it was really cute and fun to be annoying with
ndw is for the psyspam girlies
pagos required a lot of balance fundamentals that I had lacked, and it would be very apparent in my gameplay which lead me to stray away from it alot
zac/zam felt weird to me to pilot and I didn't really enjoy it early reg i
koraidons play style of trading % of HP for positive trades always didnt settle with how I like playing
the silly explanation
Mostly just won’t play horses (ik the disadvantage I’m putting myself in)
Terapagos is my first restricted mostly because i think its interesting CM team without fake out cycling
Kyogre is just i love Rain
The only reason i even become a Miraidon main is Iron Crown lol
that’s totally why I couldn’t pick anything every duo is something+horse
@rustic mountain what we think of Ho Oh now
Sometimes I forgot freeze dry can freeze
^
Yk it’s bad when solgaleo is above groudon
cir is goat fuck you!!!!!
........
Why is Solgaleo up that high
i honestly only put it up there cuz of zacs team
u could put it in why too and i wouldnt disagree
LMAO ngl shit is gas
don't mind me just played the GC team and weep
honestly, u could swap cir and csr and i wouldnt be mad
Has a 10% chance to freeze the target and a 10% chance to make it flinch.
Ice
Physical
65
95
15 (24)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Boosted by Strong Jaw.
Makes contact.
this move is so ass thats why LMAO
Tree you want the Zac rental 
youre like forced to use dice
Hits two to five times. Has a 35% chance to hit two or three times and a 15% chance to hit four or five times. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit five times. If the user is holding Loaded Dice, this move will hit 4-5 times.
Ice
Physical
25
100
30 (48)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
i think miraidon and csr tho have the most use case of being splashable whilst still being extremely potent options in quite a few different kind of comps
i'm still not mentally recovered from the SunWave Team TSN made-
idk if ill use it but sure
Specials mons tend to do that
miraidon would literally work in every team and still do a billion damage
This shit go hard tho
it goes hard but i am not mentally recovered
Anyways you think Ho Oh just ok?
why do people treat solgaleo like mr weakness policy btw
Poison
Psychic
Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel
Bug, Electric, Fighting, Stellar, Water
Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ground
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Cuz it is
because super clear body
i think it had its time, unless it shows up next tour its prolly joever for it
Bcuz that's basically its only REAL use outside of the way we tried to use it lol
Basically like a restricted Metagross
it was a good meta call and i feel like ppl adjusted
I think it can show up soon
idk i feel like you should just go camulet or lorb
hes basically like trick room zacian right
YAAAAAAA
with way way worse typing damage and everything
Ice Rider Kyogre is rough but like
Other than that, you look at the other Pokemon in the meta now
Ho Oh still ain't bad
Zacian got better
Zam CSR got better
It does not even need Clear Amulet(Solgaleo)
Its ability is CLEAR BODY PRO MAX
idt zam csr got better i think ppl abandoned it too quickly
oh wait my bad idk why i said camulet lmao

i literally like know this too
What is a generally fun duo to play? I should go and experiment with other duos, think for the most part I got my zacian things down
Nah I really think the teams we saw in Portland were way better
so foolish of me
Join me in the Zam CSR
Trust me
i'm not gonna tell you play any of the restricted duos i play cuz ummmm
Its posistioning hellhole
idk, ig I can give the horse a shot I don’t like Tera syncs tho
I mean
Eh you tera it less than you'd think with good plays
Want my team?
is it incin rilla shit
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No
i do think they were better but i also was never a fan of the torn no incin comps either
Most undeserved win in history oh my god
K then sure
i feel like everyone like expected zama csr to be everywhere so everyone was running stuff againt zama csr
then peopled saw miraidon cir as the problem so zama csr has like more space?
Ok just don't share with too many people plz
I won’t
like ive been running a similiar zama csr team since early reg i and it just feels better in showdown ladder now
in a way yea, i would say it was targetted early meta until things opened up more since it was one of the most obvious pairings/easier teams to build out
yeye
cuz like when you think about it
zama csr should be decent into mirai cir no?
Decent, but leech seed CIR sucks for Zama
its like 60/40 in the zama/csr favor depending on team comps
true point
I realised i have multiple versions lol
from Bottom to top
Reg G times theorycraft (Discharge Mirai Era)
GS Cup,faced Jeudy
Mirai Ogre Roaring Moon with Healing
Mirai Ogre Roaring Moon with more Offense
Beta Mirai Ogre
Fuck Trick Room Mirai Ogre
Final Version
wait could i see your discharge mirai set
its literally the same as my Dgleam version but tera Electric
also yes i always loves this duo since reg G wave 1
Is there any point in looking back on a set if all the games came down to like 1 turn?
id say so yea
i had a set in a tournament that i lost twice to a final turn crit :(
it was like months ago BUT IM STILL MAD
but like thinking back i made some risky ass plays that i couldve done better
Oh yeah I just lost to a draco miss + sludge bomb poison + like 2 3 turn sleeps
Like I feel like I don't need to look back at that
I'm also realizing I never save games to look back on them
Which isn't good
I think
man I wish showdown was sponsered by pokemon in a way that gives them full creative control
could you imagine how much they could do, they are already a HUGE advert for pokemon and singlehandedly fuel their competitive scene
it would be awesome if we had like a full on replay database and stuff
Pokemon Champions:
Played a game of CSR Zama, busted lmao
it is just
Nuclear
i'm still on the way of the dragon
you drayage are you using 252 252 zacian?
Nope
nope
Never have
I think i accidentally made Drago's Set when i was building Zac
this acceptable?
tera fire because of all the wisp incins pretty much lol
my team still gets fucking shit on by land ;-;
Imo jolly zacian is better
Zacian @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Swords Dance
- Protect
This is my spread, Tera and 3rd move are pretty interchangeable
And I like running a taunt Mon/volc/Hearthflame to deal with wisp so you can tera into smth that doesn’t remain weak to ground
I play stellar for damage and comfortably
This eats +2 barrage
oh shit swords dance
I think Hooh has a time to shine in this upcoming regional with all the csrzama
I kept getting burned over and over from sacred fire
icic
the idea of zacian on my team is that weezing helps him deal with intimidate, ig ill just taunt incins from now on

Ok
whats your current full team?
csr
I don’t play Zac CSR
it’s terrible into incin
If you WERE to tho, peli shifu rilla+1
just play Mirai ogre
OH WAIT i misread zama as zacian
i always do that somehow lmao mb
lol
wait honestly yeah ill just add shifu
fuck cornerstone
🔥
hes a happy man
im finally doing it
entretainment :D?
hell yeah
we love entrainment
what is that Mirai Ogre team.
Like you wanna see it?
I wanna se it so i can nitpick
Well it's long gone
Man this was like 20 minutes ago I have no idea
aight
Going to bed just wanted to make monkey vanish first
🖕
He’s just a little silly
Not having to work for wins feels nice
This duo is fucking stupid
Out of 20 games
I just played a Landorus who is min speed
Min speed Bascu is weird but at least the Kyogre is obvious cause iron ball
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Miraidon might be the dumbest pokemon ever made

Omg two hours left and I just want to check out completely right now lol
you're so close
yippee yippee
I'm so mentally checked out
Then I gotta stay awake all day so I can flip my sleep schedule, so I'm gonna buckle down and get that mod released today
best of luck
Gah 5 minutes left!
Freeeeedom!
Today was my last day at my garbage job. I'm taking a big pay increase to go work with the homeless in a neighboring city where I was homeless 20 years ago
GET THAT MONEY
Does VGCpastes have a filter option? I wanna make a team with a core of CIR, Koraidon, and Raging Bolt
I don't think it does
But I think someone made top cut with it at Milwaukee?
Yeh kinda similar
labmaus does
let me link it once i’m on my PC
Here is the link, let me screenshot the results
I filtered so that it would only show official tournament results with CIR, Koraidon, and Bolt
So much bicycle
Dillon Iron Ball Kyogre geniunely Suckass to fight-
So I recently won the Victory road may challenge winning $700 against some of the best players in the world
Here is the team I used!
Paste: https://pokepast.es/cd5756c9a47b994a
Rental code: 5Y7QVW
Results: https://victoryroad.pro/vr-may25/
I used the combination of Calyrex Shadow rider and miraidon, which despite being the most popular two r...
Miraidon CSR is good but I hate Chi-Yu + Incin
lol lets do some dumb shit
thank you!
you're very welcome 🙂
Great team!
you can slot Grassy seed to Lunala
Hypnosis lunala is goes so crazy
you think? i just go rilla into miraidon
man low ladder is always SO bad
do you guys think there are AI bots programmed to play this game sometimes
Yeah
even my 13 year old students in pokemon club are way better than some of these people
Its not normal having +100 games and still be in 1100
lcq team for tomorrow, wish me luck
You got thisssd
good luck!
tyyy
do you need to win?
yeaah
how many people do you guess are gonna be there?
so there will be a tourney in june/july for cash for players who qualify?
god damn that’s crazy
you could honestly have a program that selects moves at random and they’d still be better than these guys
maybe that’s what they’re doing lmao
gl
LMAO
its just they don't learn
no you are the 🐐
so is it official, are we gonna see Mika at a regional next season?
Mika regional run when
tyyy tho ngl im panicked asf bc i went 0/2 on things that would refocus and centre my brain but both had to be delayed till later
Just remember don't click buttons
T h i n k before act on Mirai
Emma you got this
I know there are bots on other ladders not sure about popular ones like VGC though
Oh I was at two Regionals already lol but yeah you'll be seeing me in the future. More money means more travel 
I'm essentially doubling my take-home pay
yippee
Hell I'm looking at houses right now 👀
Wife and I are making some decisions 👀
Damn flex on me why don't ya /j

yay!! i looking to move in with kat in toronto in a year or two
That would be rad
Oh for sure. When my kid was born, my wife and I didn't live with each other, and actually lived a good deal apart. She would drop my daughter off with me when she went into work in the morning
It was rough
ohh jeez you had it a bittt worse
being with her often is really nice its just went you have to go home from a trip
She had it pretty bad - she was driving 45 minutes each way
Yeah saying goodbye is a drag
having the love of your life nearly sob in your arms that they don’t want you to leave is
probably the worst feeling on earth
Oh for sure
alsoalso i get to annihilate my bank account soon :3
on top of that when home its the slow feeling in the back of mind that is being touch starved and missing being held like a baby
pokémon center is always so fun
hopefully they’re good with their stock this year
ngl look at the date of mine i be assuming i dont make day 2 with this one
LOL

I got a Thursday one to be safe but had Saturday last year
if nobody got me at least pokemon centre at 10am can cheer me up
Rooting for you guys 
nothing will be as bad as Worlds pokemon center, legit probably 4 hour wait to enter
i was an hour late and missed all the thursday slots :3
and there were hella Japanese players/spectators who were camping the store
like they’d sit inside the store waiting for restocks
and THEN they’d sit on the sidewalk outside the venue and scalp everything they bought
it was crazyyyy
Sounds about right lol
But we will 
- As Terapagos from a TM, HM or TR
wtf.
i learnt pagos had this the hard way
Ma'am why did you look this up
no reasonnn
I'm guessing someone else's builder
Leech seed cir toxic pagos…
@stark kindle Annihilate
we're getting a lot of these lately damn
🔨 Banned .guymanxd. indefinitely
It is ye
Kk
wah-
don’t annihilate me 
Sorry can’t have you cooking anymore bye love :3
@stark kindle DID I MISS THE FUNNY LINK AGAIN
Yuh strike 2
You were too busy making this tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8MApXBA/
Plz I don't wanna
Brother I just wanna know what kind of things you had to search up to regularly find this shit
Lmfao
the mind of mickolas is a mystery
HE SENDS ME SHIT LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME
Don't even ask this mfer about Tom Segura, he's got some lovely videos of him
have you tried telling him to stop?
Tbh I've seen weirder shit so like
It doesn't actually bother me but at the same time like I don't think
Honestly if anything I'm kinda perplexed
Like I wanna know more
I wanna know how it's been shaped to this point
Mod abuse smh
Monke abuse
That's not abuse
Just for like clariy tho ye
One of the last thing monke dmd me was a guy shitting in a urinal
so, neither of you are innocent, got it
No not at all
You'd hate to see my fyp just sayin
It's either offensive memes or brainrot, with the every so often dance video or some other random shit
Monke Abuse moment
The dances that you wish you could do
EXACTLY
See this guy gets it
Like the rat dance
My ass could not do this to save my life
And it's legitimately so fucking simple
ow
POV ogerpon
I need help
my friend and i built this team trying out thundy cir kyogre so far very fun
what's up
Can anyone help me with a good trick rooms team? Like idk if I wanna run two truck room, two support, two sweepers or one trick room one support 4 sweepers
what restricteds are you thinking of using
One is blood moon ursaluna but idk what else
that's not a restricted btw
It’s for New Orleans on June 13
https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/ have a look through this website to see if you find a team you like
Fine grained analytical tool for VGC Top Cut teams.
best performing teams at the latest regionals
Thanks man. It’s my first event and it’s close to home like a 2 hour drive
I was smack the rat
best of luck
Thank you buddy
13thxlucas547 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp
dude i lost to you lol
i thought i recognized that username lol
we've kinda been laddering together but he uses that account more than i do
but i was spectating
GL see you there
Yo?
im also going to naic lol
NAIC is a great first tournament to attend, you’ll have fun 🙂
yippee
make sure you try to show up either the day before or early the morning of
Found this set from some time ago but still
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2272037620-83l9sgpoqfdxubgk0ywu7xrthglivknpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2272038852-blpmkk7ae79j0rboyfu21jmoglxlx55pw
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Any ideas of how to play this better?
A reg g set?
Bug
Dark, Fighting, Grass, Poison, Rock
Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Steel, Stellar, Water
Flying, Ground
Psychic
Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel
Ghost, Ground, Poison, Rock
Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water
Fairy, Grass
Probably
ehhh
i like the idea
good coverage
lets see lol
Also I was looking at zekroms stats it legit doesn't seem that bad
Wait I need a trick room mode shit uhh
Why are we playing zekrom AND Rayquaza on the same team?
This looks pretty bad into CIR
Hmmm
Yeha you right I should go corner stone
Lmao wb tailwind wide guard lunala
U could put wisp on ur incin too maybe to help with the matchup
I kinda need taunt to deal with opposing wisp
Zekrom is ass btw
Yeah ik lol
True ur running double physical restricted
Oh the whole team is physical
I see
Lol idk it's probably dumb
Maaaaan, my mod is nearly complete and ready for release and two skills are stumping me hard 😐
Which ones?
Two attacks that are supposed to interact with reloads on weapons
Starting at 3rd level, as an Action, you can empty your gun on a single target, firing with great speed. You can make one attack for each bullet on your gun's magazine. Doing so causes your weapon to break, and a broken weapon can't be used until you repair it.```
```Mag Dump
At 18th level, you use every tool and bullet in your arsenal to take out your designated targets. If a gun you are using has the reload property and have more than 1 bullet before having to reload, you may make a special attack that fires all available guns before having to reload. You make one attack and roll damage separately for each bullet fired. Guns used this way require a full action to reload, even if you may ignore the reload property of guns.```
Basically have to redesign them because that's a bit strong
Ah, those are both sick too
I'm gonna try and keep the intent still there. Just have to tone them down and make them reasonable in a game setting
Yea
I downloaded the game. Then went to play it and then it crashed cuz steam didn’t finish completely downloading it, fckn dumb lol
I should be able to play it tonight
That sounds pretty dumb
I’m gonna crash out if it does that again
You should be fine
Nightreign is not what I thought it was and ran so poorly on my laptop (every 3 minutes I’d get 3 minutes of shit frames) so, hoping this game runs well
I'm sorta pumped for Nightreign but I just bought Dune so I'm holding off on it for a bit 
apparently its mixed reviews but i really wanna get it too
It's mixed because "gamers don't have friends"
They're mostly super pissed that they can't just solo smash it
i saw more that it just felt like the seamless coop dlc for 40$ each
I'm just noting what I saw from reviews on steam.
Having played Seamless Coop mods, there's gonna be a huge difference because it's just... got a fundamentally different vibe
My Groudon just dodged a Miraidon Draco and a CIR High horsepower
Maybe he's the goat
Nah
He's turning over a new leaf
can't tell if that groudon hates or loves you honestly
Also Bulk up Groudon is definitely the way right now
I don’t mind nightreign being multiplayer
What pisses me off is no cross play
The games fun I just can’t play it with my friend cuz I refunded it and bought it on my Xbox so I actually got to play the game
No - you need to have the same problem as all the other people complaining 
Acquire problems!@
But why? lol
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chien pao letting me down SO HARD
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i forgot to change back to icicle spinner
Miraidon CSR is actually so scary to play against
Nah I'd light screen
Because - internet rage?
Oh right lol
that's why six physical attackers on the same team is usually not great though that was pretty unlucky
Seeing the Grimm try to set up a double reflect was pretty funny
Unless you are Iker
also that grimm twaving into a dark type was interesting
my guess is he was playing around brick break tech 
ohh is that closed team sheet?
yeah idk still dumb tho
but wouldn't that still go before brick break
Yea
oh yeah true too
\
Soooo
they prob just misclicked
tbh this is my other account so its prolly just
they didnt know 💀
they are not those who nose
I found a team that finally feels good https://pokepast.es/f7fac28e0faa1ee2
I love Entei so much
nicee
i think i remember this team from mdb's stream going through his utrecht run
how's psychic lunala? im so used to seeing moonblast there
just outspeed/Lightscreen
Its better against Ursaluna and Amoonguss
What does this Mon do rn?
extreme speed
Amoonguss for obvious reasons but the psychic can chunk Ursaluna for a 2hko most of the time while moonblast needs you to tera to deal more damage and then you get hit by facade
anyways gonna sleep cuz i need a break for Mirai Ogre before June
https://pokepast.es/2daeb50f54da51ac my friend and i are using this rn
Usually disrupts fake out balance cores, extreme speed picks up kos, and works to deal with grass types
thundurus is actually really fun to use
Lowers the target's Special Attack by 2 stages.
Electric
Status
0
100
15 (24)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.
I wonder if I can make smth more niche work with zacogre
If I can, find smth that does
is this like anti miraidon?
Idk, maybe
honestly yeah
Usually i don't like Eerie Impulse but like its aight
anti any special attacker honestly
Tera fairy thunderous t might be sick actually
helps against csr and pagos too
but the bulk is ummmm
Electric/Flying
Volt Absorb
79/105/70/145/80/101
580
Thundurus
isnt thund t usually specs
yea i was running some thundy calcs a bit ago
Thundurus T is usually nothing because why would you use it
Okay
doesn't Dgleam still chunks it
I like thundurus tbh
Think the point is for the mon to just
I believed in that mon since reg G
Go explode smth and die
t or i?
T
Eerie impulse + taunt + electric coverage + ground inmunity is quite a good niche
I definitely has potential but t’s a cool Mon
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fairy Thundurus-Therian: 91-108 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Most things eat that at neutral
What does this mean?
funny thing is that i tried Thundy T with Kyogre while i was in a supermarket Teambuilding
I was more saying Therian but, maybe I’ll do that idk
That's not tera though
Rarely do I see people clicking dgleam no tera
and it still chunk
that just how bad the bulk is
yeahhh if youre running thund t for anti mirai lol
79 70 80 is not good to tank
mirai also resists everything thund t can throw at it 
any Miraidon hits
the reason why Rhydon is better cuz it has Actual bulk and offenses
TRUE
Lemme scroll da builder
lightning rod is also way better than volt absorb
dude that one rhydon hooh toxapex team was SICK
no one doing ranked so had to hop on casual battle
just nuke it
No bigge
immediately what the fuck
just nuke it
thats a singles team lmao
Choice scarf serene grace iron heard Jirachi incoming
What lmao
Why u on casual ladder
.
Hey Yk what’s cool about thundy t, it outspeeds shifu and nukes it, and probably does pretty good damage into incin. Could go Tera flying Tera blast to nuke rilla too
well at least it beats Banded sets
Scarf ummmmm-
252 SpA Tera Fairy Thundurus-Therian Wildbolt Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fairy Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 81-96 (46.2 - 54.8%) -- 58.6% chance to 2HKO
I mean-
yeah
IT WAS TRICK ROOM SETTER
thats not bad
😭
TERA FIRE D GLEAM TRICK ROOM JIRACHI
LOL METAGROSS SWEEP INC
they legit like
have no space to bring in meta
i got a knock off and body press in each slot try me
honk
honk
this d gleam is doing 20 hp to each of my characters
IT WAS CHOICE SCARF INDEEDEE IN TR????
WHAT IN BLOODY TARNATION
william was cooking in teambuilder
-40 damage stomping tantrum into zama
Hm
little jimmy lol
HAHAHAHA
feather?
IDK IT GOT B BASHED
Yea my only thought for something niche w/ zacogre is a thundurus form
bro its literaly hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
youre bullying children 💀
NO ONES IN RANKED
Wrong format bro
HOP ON LADDER IF YOU WANT THE KIDS TO BE SAFE
bro made a team with all his favorite pokemon
yay i love my pokemon and my team!!! lets try play against other people :DDDD
im nasty plotting CSR and about to show them god
shadow sneak means nothing into tera dark
then they get matched into 4 of the most played mons 💀
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
What’s luxray doing there
its a special ceruledge
yeah
it just shadow balled
bro its probably like
the first luxray they caught that they brough to their championship battle
Shed tail is good in doubles bro trust me
IM A GOOFY GOOBER
with min evs
What the Groudon
Why would you send them to the shadow realm
i bet discharge shinanigans
Nah
forgive me gardevoir and gyrados
they're never touching battle stadium again loll
They could always get a high roll crit
turn 3 +6 CSR was a fair game gg wp
bro they are not outspeeding him
quantum particle changes the speed
IF THIS AQUA JET KILLS

ITS NOT EVEN AQUA JET
https://pokepast.es/d3f9eca8e0ac6da1 cooking (this is probably ass)
LMAO
okay done bullying kids thisd was funny
bully one more lol
nah im tireddd
already closed it
cant help but feel like the farig slot could be smth else
honestly i can see Tsareena replace Fari
That’s what I’m thinking

Dude
Grass
Leaf Guard, Queenly Majesty, Sweet Veil (Hidden)
72/120/98/50/98/72
510
…yk what sure
Queenly Majesty is Armor Tail
Wait no
you could do ursh
You think i care when my team is 3 ice weak lol
ice resist
Why tsa over indeedee?
could do splash playe on kyogre and mystic water ursh like kian campbell in portland
Grass STAB
Triple axel being funni
Indee with sus so that if they have mirai sus is still useful
sus
You do not need to rebuild yet drago
me when +6
@molten oasis gonna ping so hopefully see and consider this before builder hell
?
Indeedee
Holy goat
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i'd use another water type over farig
Terrain to keep sus good into mirai for caly mirai teams and also does what you need
whatever you feel would be nice
If you want anti prio
the username lmfao
There's some weirdos out there
Do I need amoonguss anymore?
I had amoonguss for redirect
https://pokepast.es/61546b020506f779 smth like this ig idk
Wait
I just matched into the same person twice in a row
I didn't think that was possible
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2375543863 I don’t get the no lance that turn but ok, stupid leech seed CIR lol
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I hope it disappears soon
lol im liking the idea of iron threads and bringing it ONLY against specifically miraidon
I mean people did that in Reg G
yeah sounds good
until you realize
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Iron Treads: 166-196 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO
really?
I never saw Treads outside of Agati's team xd
https://pokepast.es/0ba03861264c47bc - Not sure if this is valid proof but this did have Treads no Miraidon
I swear I remember it being on ladder a lot
Especially when Reg G 2 started because of Luca's team
💀
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2375549520-2cu0wufg5mn85pokujp0leotyvfy6ohpw lol what a stupid ass game with 2 stupid ass teams
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Ah it's the juniors team
it outspeeds so unless you like swithc into a draco meteor
Ig it counts? Tho I never saw it outside of that
or tailwind and trick room actually
either way you can protect and force them to lock into draco
since most are specs
and the ones that arent specs shouldt one shot with dragon pulse which is what most av use
The only Miraidon counter is a fairy mon with lightning rod
Miraidon doesn't has counters Iron Tread is just a check
tera fairy rhydon when
What about ursaluna does it also die to draco
Yes
Like 100%
And 2hko'd by tera fairy dazzling gleam
Probably
yea pretty comfortably
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Kyogre: 124-147 (59.9 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
well relative to other draco calcs
again relative to what it does to every other pokemon
Miraidon is probably the reason we don't have a ground/fairy type this gen
whats specially tankier than av kyogre
Some call me a prophet
do ground fairy types exist
No
i mean steal is close enough like?
it resists dragon and fairy
There's almost no steel types in the meta
i mean iron threads
And Treads is ground but dies to draco anyways
He's not in the meta
:v
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Iron Treads is meta lol
im not talking about meta im talking about threads 💀
Also this replay is probably one of the greatest games I've played
We being for real?
im on my work computer could someone calc this
Miraidon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
- Electro Drift
- Draco Meteor
- Volt Switch
- Dazzling Gleam
``` vs standard threads
the draco
eh good enough
That's AV
Probably does more like 59
132+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Iron Treads: 102-120 (61.8 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
For no bulk I was pretty darn close
2 off :o
252 Atk Iron Treads High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Miraidon: 134-158 (64.7 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If you need that much a Miraidon answer
Just put psychic seed on Indeedee
maybe if i go adamant tera ground
Me when Incin chunks
you think so? dont they just switch it out and back in
nahh av indeedee is the play trust
AV Indeedee with Fake out 🧠
I played the Koraidon Venusaur team in reg G and the Miraidon MU was only winnable because of the Indeedee seed
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 228 HP / 116 SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 160-190 (80.4 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Holy goat
true asd tho holey
Also I just beat like my frickin nemesis on the ladder
john kyogre?
OH SHIT TIME TO TRY THE THREADS
kyogre feels like a phil
Building the team in game finally wujuu
nice
i still have to transfer my shiny kyogre from usum if i wanna build cir ogre
And this team is not nice for me
Tbh who the fuck is mattmaster2010
He was top 1 for a while in reg G bo3
Or she
Or they
They are for sure
i dont feel like paying the subscription tho so i might just catch the one from sv
lol
77% GXE with over 1000 games is mad respect
are the style points worth the three bucks
tjhat fucking username sends
And Erik the team is cooking with Specs Miraidon
All good
i'd be down to give it a shot
Dope
And I feel like Cloak Volc is the play
No fake out can stop my tailwind now
The trade off is that I can't shaft Urshifu for clicking surging strikes
0 SpA Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 86-104 (47.7 - 57.7%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO
Also this is actually insane
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2375557970
dang that was close i misplayed really hard at the end i shouldve switched cir
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op had like the worst lead POSSIBLE for me too lmao
I guess Volcarona is just that guy
i shouldve leech seeded the ursaluna slot too
like lunala was so obviously gonna switch there
Why attack booster?
oh wait i put wrong nature down woops
So, I wanted to pick someone's brain. My roommate is trying to host a private tournament using the VGC format. I have a decent start to my team, but I'm trying to figure out what else to throw on.
VGC as in Regulation I?
Yeah.
Alright good
So far I have:
Rapid Strike Urshifu
Incineroar
Miraidon
Fluttermane
I'm stuck on the last two slots.
Well you still have a restricted slot open
Yeah, I'm back and forth on Kyogre, Shadow Calyrex, and Cornerstone Ogerpon
Miraidon Kyogre seems cool
That was my thought.
But if you did those 2 you would probably want Tornadus
Yeah, I didnt move mine from ORAS to Pokebank before I got rid of my 3ds and I'm kicking myself for it.
Ooo, this is spicy.
Iron hands
I kinda like the Iron Hands, i'm ngl
I'm gonna be honest, I'm rather new to VGC. I stopped doing comp battling in X/Y
Cause I mained Dragons lol
Oh, okay. So you give the Farigiraf the Trick Room and then Tornadus tailwind?
So you have mons like Iron hands who love Trick room but also have mons like Kyogre who can work in both
Exactly
The worlds team was actually Tailroom
I just need to get a Tornadus lmfao
It's very flexible in how you play
Gives you a lot of freedom with how you approach teams
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this team feels kinda disgusting actually
grim snarl is so fucking good
also for some reason he just didnt have a single way to hit tera fire cir
did i hear my bois
Yeah, I'm trying to build a team around them, lol
trick room is fraud on Mirai Ogre
Look at Nick Holmer
and heck even i say fuck TR
Only reason I suggested is cause they said they liked the hands idea
i fucking love this HAHAHAHA
you can just try Nick's Team with Tsareena
it does the same thing with Prio Blocker
I was telling Conner that I'm relatively new to VGC.
That's the team they're talking about
So I think they were trying to give me something that was relatively easy to grasp.
Mirai Ogre ig its easy to pilot but you have to play the posistion game
My roomate and I are trying to get into VGC, we play the TCG as well, but I kinda wanna play a team with Miraidon and Kyogre to laugh at him cause he's wanting to play the Lunala team.
Miraidon
ah so milwaukee pair
i think the Matchup between Mirai Ogre and Mirai Lunala is alright during my testing with my Mirai Ogre team
yeah thats hard man
Eh, it's not that hard
Oh, I know lol. I netdeck in the TCG so I wanna do something different in this.
tbf Mirai Ogre is just Tornshifu+Whatever you want for matchup filler
I've been seeing a lot of Iron Jugulis in top cut lately.
Like I'm using 5/6 of the mons from a team from Portland but I changed a little bit and now it's my team
I was contemplating that.
Juggy is fine imo however i just like Torn having Rain Dance
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FUNNIEST END GAME IVE EVER SEEN HAHAHA
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Is my team heavily inspired? Yes. But is it also unique? Yes
IF IT DIDNT CRIT
i actually wouldve won the next turn
id he had to get one eventually
WAIT NO I SHOULDVE JUST PP STALLED IT AND NOT ACCROD
OH
Ooooo. I like the one with Roaring Moon tho
yeah i didnt have enough mountain dew
Mostly cause Salamence is my favorite non-legendary.
When it means stats are rounded down, after an icy wind a max speed modest Miraidon will be at 124 speed right?
i think its ok if you really hate CSR but i just surging strikes the living hell out of CSR cuz most of the time it kills anyway
CSR?
Calyrex Shadow Rider
Ohhhhh
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 180-216 (102.2 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@sterile raven i wanna see how you envision on teambuilding Mirai Ogre
With Moves,Items and Abilities
Tera and EVs can wait cuz you are new to VGC i just wanna see the understanding
in showdown teambuilder btw
eh fair i just wanna see how you jusitfy the EVs lol
I played a lot of comp singles in B/W
lemme have a look once you give me a rough draft to have a look
OMG IM GONNA LOSE TO A NO GUARD SKILL SWAP TEAM PURELY BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WTF WAS GOING ON HAHAH
genius
AND HE HIT THE FISURE WITHOUT IT HAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHA
I forgot to change the Moon's tera type to dark, rip
Nah no way I predicted a Draco miss
I said "Well there's no point in tera'ing if I don't miss so I guess I should tera to be safe"
And I missed and I tera'd and won because of it
Love to see it
Lunala Ho oh is never an easy game for me
i see a few problems on the team
Miraidon usually run Tera Fairy on Dgleam Sets
Kyogre's EV spread looks a bit unoptimised also replace Thunder With Protect,You have a Car Battery in your team
Urshifu likes Scarf in this team more than Choice Band as it helps on not relying on Tailwind
Incin in Rain wants will-o-wisp to negate physical attackers and parting shot is advised for safety goggles set
Roaring Moon's Set Kinda feels bad imo,since set up usually are not advised on Hyper Offensive Teams,In this team Roaring Moon is Supportive TW setter however you have to compete with Tornadus on this role
Tornadus wants Covert Cloak Tera Steel to able to resist Fake out and have better Matchup against Zacian and Leech Seed Set Calyrex Ice Rider,also Moveset would like to be Hurricane,Taunt,Rain Dance,Tailwind as it was supportive anyway and hurricane helps on not getting fucked over by wide guard and prankster for +1 Priority on status moves
Sitting at mid 1400s and I think I'll call it there for the night
With the exception of Moon, most of the movesets were stuff I found online tbh
games8?
Yeah those suck
I did a little research.
Nah, Smogon.
smogon set are usually fake for VGC as it does not apply to the current format
remember
what singles use does not work on doubles environment
munchstats or Labmaus are good places to find resources on how to build teams cuz it has sample sets
you can also read my blog (Shameless plugin) to see about Mirai Ogre idea (Though depends on you cuz The stuff from above are more better)
This is one of the few times I feel dumb for getting rid of my 3DS before moving shit to Bank.
F
Cause I now have to either trade for a Tornadus or move one over from another game.
And trying to find someone to trade me a Tornadus has been... difficult to say the least.
i only got my tornadus from my teambuilding Group member so fair enough
But if you have equal Exchange trading in #trading_sv like giving them what they want in exchange is fine imo since i got Raging Bolt and Landorus from that
no swsh dlc im guessing? or pla?
I have the SWSH DLC, but I have to replay through the game bc new switch.
I don't even have Calyrex LOL
yea just do that tbh, its a time sink but atleast ur getting something u know is legit
u can access the tundra area pretty quick too
I was trying to procrastinate a replay of Sword lmao
Hi tree
u can just bypass the story by losing to that dude at the start and hit the lair
I hate speed ties istg
so for torn specifically u dont even really need much story progression
i think its sword exclusive tho

but besides that you have think over your team's Partners cuz Incin is fine and some changes in the first 3 members but Roaring Moon+Tornadus is Very redundant in a Miraidon Kyogre team so you have to replace one of them
Roaring Moon is ass in that core lemme tell you that
omg mirai/kyogre torrents having a field day lmao
you do realise i already have a field day when i talked to Nick Holmer
who?
This’ll be me the day someone asks about Groudon 😔
the guy who is undefeated in swiss round during utretch
did he make top cut
9th using Mirai Ogre
ohhhhhh right
Iron Bundle is lowkey awesome guys you gotta trust me
now i remember him yes
i think James Baek covered that team as well cuz i literally send him the video
bundle isnt the problem conner
So, question.
at least he approved my team

Ah you’re right, it’s gotta be the Incin

If I'm gonna just play Sword, should I just run Calyrex instead of Kyogre?
idk
Calyrex Kyogre is more better imo
Although recently I’ve been having games where Groudon wins and Koraidon doesn’t
especially Ice Rider
And it’s been pretty epic
I was leaning more towards CSR Miraidon
I mean, I'm mainly trying to put a team together for a home tourney my roommate is trying to host.
honestly this duo just lose to TR even more
And i really don't recommend it unless you are godly in positioning

TR?
^ u rn
trick room
it was a joke
Maybe

But also after 2 bulk ups that CIR is doing nothing
Like I said earlier, I'm not new to competitive battling. Just VGC. pepeshrug
Just don’t put me in front of a CSR
So, is Ceruledge even worth trying to run in something?
not atm unfortunately
Its my favorite Gen 9 pokemon
i think the best thing you can do is either Calyrex Shadow Rider+Kyogre Calyrex Ice Rider+Kyogre or Miraidon Kyogre since these two are fun if you know how to play it right,its just if you know how to position and deal with the board State




