#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
LIGHT THATS NOT HOW THE FUCKING BOOK WORKS
bold geode
THE ATF
molten oasis
** HOLY SHIT LIGHT YOU WERE RIGHT**
spiral ridge
THE FBI
atomic mural
red willow
Well we got absolutely decimated by moody smeargle + power of alchemy alolan muk into flamigo copying the stat boosts lmao
But we 3-1 so not the worst start to the reg for me
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
azure ether
This is TWave speed, right?
solid frigate
yep
red willow
So listen can I cut chi yu for specs wake
He just keeps getting ohkod after 1 snarl or heat wave
lofty tartan
Wait. Protect on Cloaked things is actually fairly common. Cloak prevents secondary effects, yeah, but protect is to avoid other things.
And honestly we've seen protect specs Flutter at high level play before. 🤷
red willow
My caly is missing from my sw sh file uhoh
solid frigate
And honestly we've seen protect specs Flutter at high level play before. 🤷
Anyways after i done my rental i feel pretty bored
lofty tartan
<:DanHeng_What:1313842343815680021>
People already forgot specs protect Flutters on stream at Reggies. Shame
solid frigate
People already forgot specs protect Flutters on stream at Reggies. Shame
I didn’t join VGC till Reg F so thats my only excuse
also i did not recall that
even if its like reg F-Reg I
lofty tartan
It was awhile ago. But it happened. I remember talking to my roommate about it while watching the match
solid frigate
huh ok
azure ether
Do you rly wanna lock into that on your restricted tho
craggy dagger
why not 
astral kelp
lol some csr zama stuff?
foggy lodge
And honestly we've seen protect specs Flutter at high level play before. 🤷
It was trick flutter right?
Ig it is because if not then there's no reason for it lol
But yeah choice protect was used
Nils Dunlop won a regional with trick protect choice scarf Indeedee
And Torviv used the same thing at LAIC
astral kelp
well thats just silly then lmao
shadow wind
I mean it can make sense
lofty tartan
It was trick flutter right?
No it wasn't trick
shadow wind
Turn 1's are really hard
lofty tartan
The only non damaging attack was protect
molten oasis
some ran perish trap i believe
lofty tartan
Yeah the one I was talking about in particular was just 3 attack protect
astral kelp
Turn 1's are really hard
so what you just protect then are forced to switch out pretty much?
lofty tartan
Yeah. It was blanking the slot and still let you run specs for when you full send 🤷
solid frigate
shadow wind
abstract grail
Would anyone perhaps be willing to give me some advice as to what to add to this team im working on? Trying to get back into vgc, but i am notoriously awfull at restricted formats. I've got to this point so far but I've reached a point where I don't know where to go now, aside from fixing evs and such. If someone more experienced then me could recommend pokemon or something it would help me alot. (It's obviously not complete so ignore evs/incomplete movesets)
https://pokepast.es/42c492c28427fb21
shadow wind
Tera water helping hand mystic water
solid frigate
i know what the fuck happen i was just showing
astral kelp
wait i thought kowtow cleave was a good move its literally just 5 more power and nothing else lmao
astral kelp
gotta play around that muddy water and muk lmao
shadow wind
👎
astral kelp
based asf
shadow wind
We being for real?
astral kelp
like
shadow wind
Stall will never be cool
shadow wind
No clue I'm outta the scene really
astral kelp
Stall will never be cool
in reg i tho
solid frigate
No clue I'm outta the scene really
this is what unhealthy dose of Groudon does to you
astral kelp
didn't that got into top cut
wait in what?
shadow wind
this is what unhealthy dose of Groudon does to you
Nah I just went on vacation
solid frigate
ok not top cut but like yeah no i am gonna see that
solid frigate
im still kinda shocked vulkarona is seing so much play
walls Zama
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
astral kelp
ig not much rock and flying
shadow wind
Meteor beam and Ivy cudgel are literally the only ones
astral kelp
moon acrobatics?
solid frigate
ig not much rock and flying
Tornadus,Ogerpon,Meteor Beam Set
astral kelp
is moon still a thing
solid frigate
yeah
ember lynx
Man roaring moon is popping off
astral kelp
actually notthat bad ig just milwalke hates moon
solid frigate
the best Miraidon Kyogre team is ummmmmm
#251
solid frigate
and all have Trick Room Modes
solid frigate
Pokemon moment
lofty tartan
🤨
sharp cobalt
https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-il-imbibitor-lunae-imbibitor-lunae-dhil-gif-1413...
'Strum how many of these do you have
astral kelp
i really wanna make a miraidon discharge team
like i made this dumbass team for fun because i like dragon cheer but it kinda just turned into discharge and land t wiping
sharp cobalt
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2364366486
John Groudon uses Groudon. Idk what I expected
lofty tartan
mika mikamikamika
yoyoyoyo
chrome knot
haaiiii
lofty tartan
Heya. How's it hanging?
lofty tartan
Oh nice. Congrats! I've got injections coming today in the mail, just not estrogen.
lofty tartan
I got the job I was trying to get.
Significant pay increase, much more meaningful work.
lofty tartan
Thanks! 
Gonna work with the homeless for like double my income.
Plane tickets don't look so bad anymore.
lofty tartan
Probably not that soon. But I'm gonna be firing on all cylinders for Gen 10.
chrome knot
oohhh
lofty tartan
I'm also trying to open my TCG store - increased income leads to me paying into business loans.
I wouldn't have been able to meet their requirements if I kept with my current job. Just not clearing enough.
BUT - I'm ordering my wife's ring today. 
chrome knot
awwwhe :3
chrome knot
I'm also trying to open my TCG store - increased income leads to me paying into ...
hmm but if it pops into being THE spot for locals n stuff then its like pay some earn more i think
unless tcg is netloss game idrk
lofty tartan
It's more that if you get a business loan in the way I'm doing, it's very likely I'll have to put down a deposit of 1 - 10%
So like a 10% deposit on a 75,000 dollar loan will run me like 7500 dollars. My current job just can't keep up with that.
I'm working with my state's small business development center and an advisor to obtain funding and lock down a location.
lofty tartan
We'll focus mostly on Pokemon TCG and VGC - but you can't tunnel vision in a TCG store because that'll run you out of business.
So we're gonna have all of the really big competitive ones.
Also you'll be able to rent space to paint Gundams or play games on a projector, etc.
astral kelp
lmfao ive been trying to build discharge miraidon all day i have no idea what im doing anymore help
lofty tartan
A big play with a store like that is using it as an event venue
Someone's deep in the sauce
chrome knot
Also you'll be able to rent space to paint Gundams or play games on a projector,...
oohh thats like our lgs
knotty mirage
I wonder can walking wake be a good mon too counter groudon or koraidon
astral kelp
a tailwind setter without prankster is just kinda rough
lofty tartan
oohh thats like our lgs
Yeah you gotta diversify that lol. I've seen so many TCG stores fail out here, and I've worked/managed at a few.
One refused to buy sealed product despite my literal begging. You can't make a store work selling through your personal collection no matter how large it is. People want sealed packs.
astral kelp
Someone's deep in the sauce
help
lofty tartan
help
I dunno. I'm running Tailwind Ho-Oh and I don't mind the non-Prankster TW because he's got the bulk.
Kilo is definitely niche though.
astral kelp
lunala tailwind when
astral kelp
Kilo is definitely niche though.
miraidon is the only like real eletric type in the format
oh and rb
chrome knot
One refused to buy sealed product despite my literal begging. You can't make a s...
literally take my money😭
sealed is the literal craze rn
scalper central 
lofty tartan
Yeah we're just trying to bring sealed product to the area to ensure people can get it at MSRP
And there's literally no Pokemon TCG competition outside of big box stores like Walmart or Target.
lofty tartan
If a set is getting hard-scalped like Prismatic was, we're gonna have a store policy for seals, yeah.
We'll sell at MSRP and take the seal.
To ensure the box doesn't go into the secondary market at 300% price
I moonlight as a Pokemon TCG player 😄
lofty tartan
So like... I'm definitely up-to-speed on the tragedy that is the sealed PTCG market right now.
It's happening to MTG now
They've got a Final Fantasy set coming up and it's going ballistic.
chrome knot
their prelease is like $80
lofty tartan
What? I've never played a prereleased over like 30 bucks.
That's wild.
USD and CAD are really close.
lofty tartan
OH the FF set is 80 dollars? Probably.
Some TCG stores are bonkers.
Everyone's trying to get rich quick. Man TCG stores are a struggle, I understand that part lol.
So we're going to offer a wide spread, and a place to play. Bring back the TCG store hangout
solid frigate
nice
chrome knot
So we're going to offer a wide spread, and a place to play. Bring back the TCG s...
yus thas very good, excited for you if it all comes together
lofty tartan
YEah I mean I'm just staying positive and busting my ass 😄
So far it's working out lol
I'm also writing a mod for Baldur's Gate 3 during all of this 
I'm running a test right now on a custom spell
astral kelp
rip low damage roll draco too
exotic grotto
rip low damage roll draco too
Your moves were amazing! Keep it up!
near crag
What y'all think of this team? https://pokepast.es/8b34ea5e2b7f6b70 I've never built a HTR team before, but I feel like it should do well on a meta with mons like miraidon and lunala at the top
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
astral kelp
icic
solid frigate
What y'all think of this team? https://pokepast.es/8b34ea5e2b7f6b70 I've never b...
Swap Draining Kiss for Thunder Wave would be nice
Cuz i think Klefki is fine
solid frigate
only thing is klefky being pretty much just worse grimmsnarl
the fucking typing-
Its the same as Zacian
astral kelp
but its stats
solid frigate
sableye stats is bad and look what it does
astral kelp
also no immunity to prankster naturally
near crag
Swap Draining Kiss for Thunder Wave would be nice
But twave halves the speed, wouldn't this be good for my opponent?
astral kelp
oh wait is it fairy steel
solid frigate
But twave halves the speed, wouldn't this be good for my opponent?
Para Chance is fine
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
like full Para is pretty fucking annoying
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
astral kelp
huh
exotic grotto
like full Para is pretty fucking annoying
Is there different types of Paralysis?
near crag
Is there different types of Paralysis?
Full para is when you cant move
exotic grotto
Thanks!
exotic grotto
Body Slam also inflict Para
But Body slam isn't a status move?
astral kelp
40 less hp 30 more defense and 12 more special defense
its actually not as bad as i thought
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
Body Slam can allow Ground Types to be Paralysed
cuz normally Ground is Immune to Thunder Wave
astral kelp
ooh it has weather
solid frigate
ooh it has weather
i used Klefki back in Smogon so its not bad but in this format its a niche
astral kelp
yeah gotta say looking over it again its not as bad as i thought
near crag
i used Klefki back in Smogon so its not bad but in this format its a niche
Also got TR, a big reason why I picked it
astral kelp
grimm usually goes like what? double screen twave spirit break
exotic grotto
yeah gotta say looking over it again its not as bad as i thought
Are you using a Klefki?
astral kelp
spirit break is such a crazy ass move tho
solid frigate
Also got TR, a big reason why I picked it
well TR om prankster mon doesn’t do that much
near crag
I know, it's a secondary option
solid frigate
spirit break is such a crazy ass move tho
Spirit Break for general
Foul play For Calyrex
astral kelp
stab foul play is pgud
exotic grotto
Spirit Break for general
Foul play For Calyrex
Both forms of Calyrex?
near crag
yeah
exotic grotto
Thanks!
solid frigate
stab foul play is pgud
lets just say this is why Fari uses Foul Play in Most of Arubega Miraidon Teams
Even Tera Dark is good enough
astral kelp
is arubega tera dark i thought it was water lol
foul play is actually such a crazy move when you think about it
95 base damage and you dont even have to invest in any damage
exotic grotto
Can it miss?
astral kelp
tho idk i dont really like using it on fari
astral kelp
Can it miss?
nope
exotic grotto
Thanks!
astral kelp
btw @solid frigate you were running discharge miraidon at some point right?
could you show me what you were running
im tryna build it but godam its hard to build
solid frigate
btw <@758873265053106217> you were running discharge miraidon at some point righ...
Used to
Its just copying Rajan Bal’s Miraidon in Indianapolis Regionals
And i used to think Miraidon and Kyogre is a good pair even before Reg G Wave 2 but since its still discharge Era is kinda Out pf the question
astral kelp
this is caly-s wtf
solid frigate
CTS moment
astral kelp
Used to
Its just copying Rajan Bal’s Miraidon in Indianapolis Regionals
And i ...
wait miraiogre with discharge?
oh he just doesnt care lmao
solid frigate
wait miraiogre with discharge?
i used it but people say no cuz Discharge
But good lord Dgleam saved the core
astral kelp
oh he just doesnt care lmao
yeah i dont get this like
imagine you lock into discharge and youre forced to kill your own incin or fari
ig that would just be bad positioning
solid frigate
imagine you lock into discharge and youre forced to kill your own incin or fari
thats why Tera exists
and also thats was during Miraidon was in Fraud Watch so
red willow
Does play rough off a max attack zacian ohko either mirai or bolt?
lean ridge
with sword boost it should ohko both
sharp cobalt
Does play rough off a max attack zacian ohko either mirai or bolt?
Your name makes me think that 1 1/1 saproling token in mtg
red willow
Your name makes me think that 1 1/1 saproling token in mtg
Im more of an 0/1 kobold kinda guy but you got my drift lol
solid frigate
Does play rough off a max attack zacian ohko either mirai or bolt?
assume they don't Tera
yes,but if they tera to fairy
Has a chance to survive it i think
for miraidon nope
but for Bolt There is a chance
craggy dagger
but for Bolt There is a chance
bolt is a roll iirc?
you still do a bunch with +1 tho
ocean token
Can someone rate my team and give me feedback? Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Make It Rain
- Nasty Plot
- Dazzling Gleam
- Shadow Ball
Toxtricity-Low-Key (M) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Overdrive
- Sludge Bomb
- Boomburst
- Volt Switch
Armarouge (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Weak Armor
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Armor Cannon
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Calm Mind
Salamence (M) @ Muscle Band
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Dragon Dance
Meowscarada (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Flower Trick
- Knock Off
- Play Rough
- Agility
Palafin-Hero (M) @ Muscle Band
Ability: Zero to Hero
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Jet Punch
- Wave Crash
- Close Combat
- Bulk Up
solid frigate
bolt is a roll iirc?
it depends on EVs now
solid frigate
Can someone rate my team and give me feedback? Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Abilit...
Singles Smogon or Doubles VGC
ocean token
I thinks it’s better in singles
craggy dagger
it depends on EVs now
it’s a roll if you’re max attack adamant zac
like they asked 
left bobcat
Zacian needs everything
solid frigate
it’s a roll if you’re max attack adamant zac
+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 188 HP / 132 Def Raging Bolt: 240-284 (107.1 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 188 HP / 132 Def Tera Electric Raging Bolt: 120-142 (53.5 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
left bobcat
Adamant 252 sword of ruin and stellar Tera
craggy dagger
+1 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Raging Bolt: 216-254 (93.1 - 109.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
what are you calcing 
oh
not adamant
+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Raging Bolt: 198-234 (85.3 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
still a roll
-# help i’m blind
-# that’s tera electric isn’t it
left bobcat
Uhhhhhhhhhh Tera electric?
solid frigate
-# help i’m blind
i'm just
doing Ray Zac with the bois rn man
craggy dagger
i'm just
doing Ray Zac with the bois rn man
i’m sorry…
what?
ray zac??
left bobcat
TERA ELECTRIC ZACIAN BLASTTTTTT
craggy dagger
incin about to eat good 
solid frigate
i’m sorry…
what?
ray zac??
ask Drago and Monke lmao
left bobcat
Drago? Blehhhh
craggy dagger
oh oh lemme show you a secret
Miraidon Electro Drift vs. Volt Absorb Thundurus-Therian: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
heh
craggy dagger
Drago? Blehhhh
be nice
solid frigate
Drago? Blehhhh
@molten oasis
molten oasis
molten oasis
i’m sorry…
what?
ray zac??
theres actually synergy
baek used it and some people in the one server think it has potential and i have also been convinced
plus i got my zacogre team so, why not
craggy dagger
but i feel like managing speed tiers and offensive power would be quite a challenge
left bobcat
THUNDER WAVEEEEE 🌊
molten oasis
but i feel like managing speed tiers and offensive power would be quite a challe...
ray and ogre are both 90 speed
craggy dagger
i suppose it depends on the teammates you have alongside zac and ray
molten oasis
im used to this lol
left bobcat
Clearly the friends we made along the way
craggy dagger
ray and ogre are both 90 speed
except one is much more fragile than the other
still
consider my interest piqued
molten oasis
i'll send a paste in a bit
solid frigate
except one is much more fragile than the other
still
consider my interest pique...
JOIN US
craggy dagger
def the odd bunch but if you know me then
you know i like odd pairings
hehe yes
solid frigate
<:MumeiHehe:985396246112006244> hehe yes
-# only if the others want me to though
probably yes
molten oasis
its just monke morris and i rn
left bobcat
CHRIS MORRIS
solid frigate
CHRIS MORRIS
don't you mean Chuck norris
left bobcat
don't you mean Chuck norris
Who?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
I've come to make an announcement
atomic mural
I've come to make an announcement
red willow
Buddy I have legit used the item printer 20 times and havent gotten 1 water terra shard
I will just use a non water terra amoongus and be galaxy brained
Think mines like.... terra rock? Lmao
solid frigate
Buddy I have legit used the item printer 20 times and havent gotten 1 water terr...
the water does not heed your call
tranquil kraken
regionals this weekend 
red willow
So like is a terrain disrupter a good idea on most teams right now? Like either rilla or indeedee to hose mirai terrain? Cause I legit see mirai in over 50 percent of my games lmao
lofty tartan
Rilla and Indeedee are good to disrupt Miraidon's terrain, yes.
They're both slower so if Miraidon and Indeedee/Rilla are started together, Indeedee/Rilla will set terrain after Miraidon does. You'll win the war every time.
Often they may have him in the back if they see terrain on your team.
lofty tartan
^^^
red willow
I got ya most teams Ive been cooking have weather + terrain setters was just wondering if they were like a necessary evil to have or I might be able to squueeze by w/o one on a team at some point
lofty tartan
It helps a lot if you're not carrying Ice Spinner or something similar. Getting rid of Miraidon's terrain is gonna cut his damage by ~33% and open the team up to sleep effects.
red willow
Was heavily considering ice spinner > u turn or aqua jet on urshifu r but not sure which one
lofty tartan
I used Ice Spinner Urshifu at a regional before. It was spicy, in a lot of cases.
Gives you a meaningful amount of damage into Amoonguss too
forest arrow
well if your running scarf, jet isnt needed as much imo
prob still want pivoting with uturn
lofty tartan
Yeah I was running Scarf then, myself.
red willow
Thats a valid point
lofty tartan
I think it was Spinner/U-turn/CC/Surging
forest arrow
Yeah thats a nice set
although i wouldnt be comfortable bringing urshifu into a mirai mu
lofty tartan
No, it was a format without Mirai so it was a lot more reasonable to just send that.
I still say I should've been on Regidrago for that Regional.
solid frigate
I used Ice Spinner Urshifu at a regional before. It was spicy, in a lot of case...
its a pretty strong move if used right but yeah
lofty tartan
Yeah it was like Reg... E?
forest arrow
Yeah that was awhile back
lofty tartan
Much safer to just send Ice Spinner Ursh
forest arrow
Chump was considering it tho, just wanted them to be weary of that
lofty tartan
Yeah I think like Chien-Pao is a better Spinner user right now by a mile.
solid frigate
anyway my internet is dead so i am using my phone's Hotspot rn
lofty tartan
Country mile
red willow
Unfortunately this is for a swordfish team Im cooking so urshifu r is prolly a necessary evil lol
Im just debating if I really need rilla or not but the more I think about it the more I prolly do
red willow
Idk Im just trying to cheese the early ranks by sending out torndaus and kyogre and spamming water spout after tailwind lmao
red willow
I have like..... 160 in speed I think? But I am modest and not timid
solid frigate
Kyogre never reaches over 156
red willow
Evs
Not sure on my actual speed stat atm cant check till I que up and he gets demoted to l50 lol
solid frigate
Not sure on my actual speed stat atm cant check till I que up and he gets demote...
143
which is not enough to outspeed Sash Urshifu without tailwind
red willow
Should I be generally more afraid of mirai if Im on 2 water types than with my lunala korai balance team? Lol
Im gonna try to kill it w Zacian but not sure how smooth itll go
solid frigate
Fast spout imo is just feels bad against Lunala or i am tweaking
red willow
Well yeah theyll just wide guard ya and get a free turn no?
solid frigate
no like
Lunala in that regional teams run Speed
So i run Kyogre faster than Lunala under TR while Faster than Shadow Rider under TW
lofty tartan
I think Lando in rain is pretty scary for Miraidon. Much worse than Urshifu.
solid frigate
I think Lando in rain is pretty scary for Miraidon. Much worse than Urshifu.
i literally have both lmao
lofty tartan
It's gonna force the tera if they sit and then you've got good chunk off Sludge Bomb
Draco deletes him though
Literally talking about Lando right now on our team in another server lmfao
solid frigate
Also Specs Miraidon+Screens saved my team
lofty tartan
Ice Spinner Mirai
solid frigate
Ice Spinner Mirai
the hidden tech
lofty tartan
That's why we run him
I just wanna mess with terrain and get out so I can do it again later.
🤷
grizzled island
Is grenjinja a Sp.atk or Atk??
grizzled island
But like which should I pick to ev train 🥲
lofty tartan
For VGC? Regulation I? Singles or Doubles?
grizzled island
Singles
lofty tartan
I really don't know about Singles.
Munchstats says SpAtk 🤷
grizzled island
Thanks ^^
solid frigate
He's got higher SpAtk but it's only by 8 🤷
mixed attacker in singles
Special Attacker/Support in doubles
Seriously Mika i am the Greninja guy here
grizzled island
Thanks ^^ im struggling with them atm
solid frigate
Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
For Singles Protean
Greninja-Bond (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Water Shuriken
For Smogon Singles Battle Bond/Ash Greninja
Rappa (Greninja) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
VGC Protean
@grizzled island
grizzled island
Tysvm
latent leaf
Does rayquaza and groudon work at all 
astral kelp
Does rayquaza and groudon work at all <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
groudon = sun rayquaza = no sun lmao
molten oasis
Groudon covers ray’s incapability to hit steel types
So there’s, potentially something
solid frigate
and Groudon doesn't really need sun anyway
like compare to Koraidon
Groudon just doesn't use sun well
molten oasis
But heat crash
solid frigate
yeah but compare to Koraidon's Secondary effect with Sun
woven pelican
Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 Atk / 2...
ninjaman
rustic mountain
and Groudon doesn't really need sun anyway
molten oasis
I was joking, I think groudon sucks rn
I don’t see a reason to not use koraidon unless you really want the immunity to electric ig
rustic mountain
I was joking, I think groudon sucks rn
i just meant in the natural scope of groudon vs kyogre as weather gods
but yea groudon is hot ass rn
koraidon has sun on steroids
and is just better rn in the format
astral kelp
groudon just has a shit speed stat and doesnt have the other stuff to make up for it
imo lol
actually when i think about it
other than the sun thing its kinda like a worse caly ice
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
i just meant in the natural scope of groudon vs kyogre as weather gods
Yea fs
At least kyogre like, does something (it turns the sun off so Zac can exist for me) 
forest arrow
Always about the dog
molten oasis
I love my dog
forest arrow
Thinking about it Zac is actually super good into that team
molten oasis
You have to get around incin
Which is what kyogre does
Zacogre good into that comp and I think my 6 are gas for it
Lando is goated
forest arrow
When I was playing Mirai Lunala is felt really good to have a shifu
Korai kind of makes it to where I can’t lol
molten oasis
When I was playing Mirai Lunala is felt really good to have a shifu
My trade of is really like, coverage tbh
Zac really really appreciate ground coverage on like, any team
And like, shifu’s great as well the team just needs, not shifu
Plus lando helps into korai weezing stuff
cyan smelt
I can't believe the user infinitygroudon doesn't use Groudon
cyan smelt
False advertising
red willow
How dare electric terrain be so common I want to experience the interactive gameplay of clicking spore on all oppos mons
rustic mountain
plain drum
O
shadow wind
I didn't know a quad resisted hit could do that much...
molten oasis
miraidon moment
rustic mountain
miraidon moment
new gen restricted moment
molten oasis
cant wait to see how broken next gens mon is
rustic mountain
itll either be even more busted or as mid as the gen 5 legends
no in between
my theory tho is like
they want the new legends to be central parts of the game so comp wise they r gna make em viable
atleast in recent years. all the new legends have been central parts of the meta
restricted or otherwise
molten oasis
yea true
rustic mountain
honestly like
molten oasis
i am curious what gen 10 will be like
rustic mountain
maybe even an extra reason why xerneas wasnt in the game
wouldve made koraidon and miraidons life hell
future gens they dont necessarily care as much cuz like theyll b new legends to take center stage
molten oasis
xern is so busted lmao
rustic mountain
i am curious what gen 10 will be like
they r taking their time so hopefully good watever it is
molten oasis
very curious if that mon will ever get power crept out, besides a dynamax meta
idt it was that good in dynamax
rustic mountain
nah it sucked
molten oasis
very different time (i hated dynamax i played for a week and stopped)
molten oasis
i wish i played early swsh vgc
like maybe i would have enjoyed dynamax if i played and learned the game earlier on
rustic mountain
i started vgc like series 5 so i missed a decent amount of early swsh meta
molten oasis
starting in double res was harsh
rustic mountain
always gna b a hard time to start vgc haha
graceful scaffold
Are you going? If so good luck 
rustic mountain
?
molten oasis
true but i feel like its easier to learn in earlier formats
rustic mountain
no im sayin like yea itll always b hard to start w/ dres
molten oasis
oh gotcha lol
rustic mountain
but yea like ofc its gna be a steep learning curve regardless
rustic mountain
yea
shadow wind
Wish I was there 😔
rustic mountain
nd then u realize how much more u can still learn
rustic mountain
Wish I was there 😔
ud b there if u just lose groudon
molten oasis
lmfao
molten oasis
just make pulse and blades 100% acc
why do the calys get 100% acc stronger moves (dlc)
($90 mons gotta make it worth it)
rustic mountain
ofc
shadow wind
I've been thinking of using EQ
molten oasis
if groudon is perfect why doesn't it exist
shadow wind
But I might be throwing with that one
molten oasis
i dont see that mon anywhere
rustic mountain
ud think like
oh miraidon is so good ground type immunity
and then its nowhere still
shadow wind
It's cause draco exists
shadow wind
I mean it's a restricted
molten oasis
yea but its against, another restricted
tbf miraidon is broken
think thats why theres less bolt too
why play bolt if you have space for a miraidon
rustic mountain
It's cause draco exists
yea but partner/team theres ways to play around miraidon that dont require u to just eat a draco w/o attacking first or swapping to an immunity like flutter which is great on sun
rustic mountain
oof
shadow wind
30% is honestly fairly high
rustic mountain
yea
shadow wind
molten oasis
its totally like 80% when my zac is on the field
rustic mountain
ur zacian likes being para'd
molten oasis
im also just generally unlucky 
shadow wind
Why am I playing against a special Necrozma Dusk Mane
molten oasis
ur zacian likes being para'd
grimm has never missed a twave on my zac
rustic mountain
molten oasis
wait yea wtf why does my zacian like paralysis so much
shadow wind
"Free win"
molten oasis
that hurts my head
shadow wind
I missed my frickin pblades
molten oasis
he also has sunsteel strike and meteor beam
rustic mountain
I missed my frickin pblades
common groudon L
molten oasis
groudon moment
molten oasis
never have to worry about missing
rustic mountain
yep
shadow wind
molten oasis
meanwile 2 of us have mons we made our entire personalities
shadow wind
It's ok this mon is broken
rustic mountain
atleast give urself 1 broken mon yea
molten oasis
i do that normally, although the video baek made has me on ray zac, for a bit
rustic mountain
3 broken mons + 2 good mons + groudon
rustic mountain
take a guess
molten oasis
fari and hearth?
rustic mountain
correct
molten oasis
fair, iron hands is just built different
rustic mountain
hands and flutter are super good, they did well w/o an ability for like most of sv
molten oasis
flutter has stupid stats
they both do but flutter, even having 55 in hp and defense gets so bulky
shadow wind
I love my toddler made stat spread
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
"balanced mon"
shadow wind
I mean Iron hands also has some of the dumbest stats ever
molten oasis
iron hands is hella minmaxed
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
goated stat spread
rustic mountain
they both do but flutter, even having 55 in hp and defense gets so bulky
idk bout so bulky cuz now we are in restricted meta but yea its other stats are solid enough u can afford to invest in bulk to give it some more durability. flutters brokeness tho comes from its typing and offensive stats that give it the flexibility for speed or offense or both depending on the specific meta
molten oasis
i mostly say that cuz it can just eat a hit from pao which i think is, kinda dumb
rustic mountain
hands is the bulky one haha flutters just like super flexible glass cannon that isnt so paper weight sometimes
molten oasis
lowers defense and then its capable of eating the hit anyway lol
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
it feels bulkier in non restricted formats fs tho
rustic mountain
as do most things
molten oasis
yea
rustic mountain
even reg g to reg i
things dont seem as bulky wen u got 2 broken mons to worry about over 1
molten oasis
yea, and then the screens pop up
rustic mountain
right
molten oasis
glad to see grimm getting mroe popular cuz i do like grimmsnarl's design but its so damn annoying
rustic mountain
its a solid mon
molten oasis
twaving and full para'ing my entire team sucks lol
rustic mountain
haha yea
can def b annoying, jus gta have ways to deal w/ it or minimize its effectiveness
molten oasis
i tend to try and pressure with zac, if i can
if they have an incin that plan goes out the window cuz i want my boost
and then i get lando
shadow wind
Landorus makes me suicidal
rustic mountain
depending on the mu, might have to just eat that -1 and get the ko on grimm if u can. no screens or speed control seems like a good trade off for that
molten oasis
depending on the mu, might have to just eat that -1 and get the ko on grimm if u...
idt neutral bblade picks up a ko on grimm
rustic mountain
damn fr?
molten oasis
grimmsnarl gets so tanky
molten oasis
ah, well lemme see
rustic mountain
do the common grimm spread from the winning milwuakee team
molten oasis
oh it does, im dumb lmao
rustic mountain
molten oasis
172 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Grimmsnarl: 216-254 (106.9 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO idk if this is that spread but it would need impish
172 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Grimmsnarl: 170-204 (84.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO huh, even then
idk i underestimate its damage at neutral cuz, its never at neutral usually
rustic mountain
Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 228 HP / 4 Atk / 156 Def / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Reflect
- Spirit Break
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
gta know the common spreads man
zacians strong
molten oasis
the tang grimm is now in there
rustic mountain
also stab
molten oasis
in my calculator
rustic mountain
yea like
not every1 is gna be running that either but its a good benchmark to be aware of
shadow wind
Why is it so hard to make a Miraidon team without just copying like 4 mons from the worlds team
molten oasis
ofc
molten oasis
Why is it so hard to make a Miraidon team without just copying like 4 mons from ...
cuz thsoe 4 mons complement it so well
at least usually they do
shadow wind
I'm going to have to be so mega ultra creative
rustic mountain
im sorry did a miraidon team not just win a regional w/ like only 1 of the mons from the worlds team? lmfao
molten oasis
being creative is not worth it (i still have this problem)
shadow wind
im sorry did a miraidon team not just win a regional w/ like only 1 of the mons ...
Ok well that's a regional winner
I'm just a dude
molten oasis
tang's are also just, incredible builders
molten oasis
hey zacian is actaully solid rn
shadow wind
Who would ever do that
rustic mountain
molten oasis
key word, solid, cuz its being outshined by fucking ho-oh
rustic mountain
id say its passable
shadow wind
What about...
rustic mountain
molten oasis
at least zac is faster than most things in the format
molten oasis
groudon, is 90 speed, which isnt good lmao
rustic mountain
hence passable
rustic mountain
groudon, is 90 speed, which isnt good lmao
90 speed doesnt help but its not a mountain to overcome, its everything else
molten oasis
i feel like it has a decent chunk of things going for it theres just an abundance of incin so its harder to play, and why do that when you can just play miraidon
shadow wind
90 speed doesnt help but its not a mountain to overcome, its everything else
I might honestly just run scarf at this point 😔
rustic mountain
zacian got gutted and its just tough to use now imo
molten oasis
revert one of the nerfs imo
rustic mountain
lower the atk stat sure, keep the +1 every time it switches in tho
molten oasis
not both, just one
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
that would also buff zama but like, thats not the worst thing ig
rustic mountain
i think its fine tbh
molten oasis
zama's strong but zac would hella benefit from not having to preserve its time to come in for so long
rustic mountain
they wont revert it but yea zacian just has had too much that hit it b/w gens
still has solid typing good stats and what not
but its too honest
molten oasis
unforutnately yea, if the effort is put in its fine but definitely hard to utilize well
shadow wind
Now what if
Groudon had a 100% accurate ground move that was HP scaled
That was boosted by the sun
molten oasis
it probably be better but like
rustic mountain
unforutnately yea, if the effort is put in its fine but definitely hard to utili...
yea im just not a fan of it, i doubt we see a repeat of its 2024 worlds result
rustic mountain
its seeing a resurgence as of late
molten oasis
and you still have to deal with your speed being low
shadow wind
molten oasis
its resurgence is hoping zacogre gets solved so the mon actually functions lol
rustic mountain
idk how thats gna convert to actual results but kyogre isnt being abandoned
shadow wind
What in the
rustic mountain
its resurgence is hoping zacogre gets solved so the mon actually functions lol
nah swordfish is fake ngl
molten oasis
its not i think kyogre is actually solid into the tang stuff if you get around mirai
shadow wind
Is my elo that low that I'm running into other groudons 😭
rustic mountain
itd b w/ other partners
molten oasis
nah swordfish is fake ngl
swordfish cope yea
rustic mountain
i thought itd b better
molten oasis
i like swordfish but i think just giving zac miraidon is way better
id say CSR but im still of the opinion that duo is really stupid
incin becomes lebron james
rustic mountain
its not i think kyogre is actually solid into the tang stuff if you get around m...
defensive tera + good positioning is actually kinda annoying
cuz u just chunk stuff nd if lunala if forced to wide guard u free up ur partner and kyogre to just hit their partner
molten oasis
yea, its good pressure on that team
and thats also why i like lando with ogre, you have an anti mirai thing
rustic mountain
av mirai and electric seed lunala dont do much to kyogre if it teras, not before it does a lot to u
it depends tho ive beaten plenty of kyogre w/ that team
molten oasis
the kyogre has to play better
its still not easy cuz well position ursa nukes it
and band shifu probably does 80-90% to it i'd imagine
rustic mountain
they have to recognize their win condition and play towards it from the jump, if they realize a turn too late its over
molten oasis
yea
kinda goin back to zac a bit i've thought about zackorai a lot but i think the trap of it being too offensive happens too much
rustic mountain
its still not easy cuz well position ursa nukes it
u also have to get to a spot that ursa can come in w/ flame orb active under tr
i usually dont bring it to kyogre mus
molten oasis
its rough in that mu
rustic mountain
band urshi is better
molten oasis
yea i agree
rustic mountain
i even respect triple water
molten oasis
does like 80% to zama
rustic mountain
depending on item or tera i think it just kos
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
they made a better sun setter
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
it was gonna happen, i'd imagine we get a better rain setter eventually
molten oasis
if its like the miraidons 1.3 boost
shadow wind
I doubt they'll make another mon like Kyogre
molten oasis
then give the mon spout, survive that kek
shadow wind
Stab water spout with a 150 base spatk is a once a series set
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
rustic mountain
i could see a good rain setter other kyogre but idk how ud make it a better rain setter w/o making it too broken
molten oasis
its GF, they'd make it more broken
rustic mountain
like u wouldnt want its type to be water for one especially if u increase its damage output in rain
molten oasis
the other options are peli and poli
shadow wind
Dang Giratina is fat
rustic mountain
too bad it sucks
molten oasis
fat and does nothing back
shadow wind
Fat as in weighs a billion
rustic mountain
lmao
shadow wind
Don't mind me, I'm just thinkin
molten oasis
lmao
also mystic water kyo doesnt kill zama
252+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 156-184 (83.4 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO not even the bulkier one
shadow wind
Why couldn't frost bite have been real
rustic mountain
252+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in ...
damn
molten oasis
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 195-229 (104.2 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO specs will, on less bulky ones
molten oasis
Why couldn't frost bite have been real
i'd love frostbite but, what would even utilize that move well
all our ice type mons are super offensive or CIR
rustic mountain
it was a status condition
molten oasis
well actually, a9 would ig
shadow wind
Ghost types get will o wisp, I doubt it'd be ice exclusive
molten oasis
so maybe it go on water types too
rustic mountain
i know im saying the wisp like move
it wasnt a move tho
molten oasis
well yea not in arceus im saying if they translated it to current vgc
rustic mountain
and if it was like will o wisp equivalent whose to say who'd get it to where itd be viable or not
molten oasis
idk, we'd have to see
rustic mountain
we wont tho
shadow wind
😔
rustic mountain
cuz they wont give it to us
shadow wind
Nerf special attackers dog
molten oasis
true
shadow wind
Sounds like a dream
molten oasis
sounds like incin would be even worse to fight lol
rustic mountain
Sounds like a dream
well wake up to this nightmare
shadow wind
😔
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
sounds like incin would be even worse to fight lol
prolly would be better just to have parting shot or snarl tbh
molten oasis
you're right
red willow
Why is lando on sludge bomb rn
molten oasis
sludge bomb is like its only good coverage move
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
rustic mountain
1 of incins best traits if coming on and off the field, the more moves that keep incin on the field make it less effective
molten oasis
yea man your other options are psychic and grass knot
rustic mountain
red willow
Uhoh stinky
rustic mountain
huh
red willow
Only 3 options lol
red willow
Yeah probs
rustic mountain
its one of the ways to reel in these strong mons
molten oasis
sludge bomb lets you hit flying for neutral and grass for SE, ground poison is solid coverage
red willow
It hits fairies for se too right?
rustic mountain
yea
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
red willow
Im not above a cheeky ko lol
rustic mountain
depends tho like flutter doesnt take se from posion cuz its shared ghost typing which usually resists it
ground/fairy type wen
molten oasis
i want fire fairy too
red willow
We just now got ground poison right? Clodsire?
molten oasis
yea
rustic mountain
fire/grass w/ ogerpon hearthflame and scovillian
also yea ground posion isnt new
rustic mountain
ghost/normal w/ hisuan zoroark last gen
electric/fighting w/ hands and pawmot this gen
fighting/ground w/ great tusk this gen
molten oasis
this gen had 2 mons with 2 new type combos and one was dominant the other sucked
rustic mountain
pawmot was ok for a few formats
rustic mountain
nah scovillian sucked
molten oasis
yea
rustic mountain
but heartflame gave fire/grass redemption
red willow
I like that both new electric dragons are meta defining tyrants lmao
molten oasis
i like bolt as a mon more but mirai is so broken lol
molten oasis
another minmaxed paradox in bolt
rustic mountain
i chose violet so
red willow
Thunderclap do be kind cracked tho
molten oasis
i chose the right game for restricted formats
and the wrong game for, every other format
rustic mountain
so violet?
molten oasis
yep
rustic mountain
never played it
molten oasis
same
random raft
I cant rescue u friend
Why
red willow
I dont have the game lol
rustic mountain
mystery dungeon is a bit more niche amongst the pokemon community
especially for comp players
red willow
Ive played the older ones just never got around to the newer installments
rustic mountain
they seem interesting
plain drum
Mystery Dungeon and Conquest are similar in the respect that a few Pokémon fans enjoy them but likely haven't played the rest of their parent franchise
random raft
I feel like this discord server needs to add a Pokémon mystery dungeon chat group thing
plain drum
Or knew they existed for that matter
molten oasis
idt mysetry dungeon is big enough to entail that
red willow
Does mystery dungeon not have its own disco?
random raft
Mystery Dungeon and Conquest are similar in the respect that a few Pokémon fans ...
Have you played Pokémon mystery dungeon xd
rustic mountain
yea i didnt know about mystery dungeon or conquest till i joined this discord server
random raft
Does mystery dungeon not have its own disco?
Idk
molten oasis
ig comp chat is really like 6-10 regulars and the occasional guy who needs help
plain drum
Have you played Pokémon mystery dungeon xd
Yeah but I don't have a file up right now to help you, sorry!
rustic mountain
ig comp chat is really like 6-10 regulars and the occasional guy who needs help
ur just noticing?
random raft
Damn it
molten oasis
ur just noticing?
yep, i guess so lmao
rustic mountain
plain drum
No comp required (see: me)
rustic mountain
presumably some lurkers but yea
molten oasis
still shocks me monke's a comp helper
red willow
Lol I always be needin help so Im showin up on the steady
molten oasis
like he dm'd me about it and now its weird not seeing his username blue
rustic mountain
def something to adjust to
molten oasis
yea
plain drum
LOL
molten oasis
bruh lmao
rustic mountain
molten oasis
if my mentality wasnt shit i'd ask, but its shit
im working on it its getting better, but its still, not good
molten oasis
yea, i hold myself back a lot
once the mentality improves a lot i think i'll get better at the game
rustic mountain
for sure
molten oasis
just takes time
rustic mountain
just gta not tie so much into the game itself too
bad streaks happen
doesnt reflect on u as a person or as a player
matters how u respond
nd frustration happens, its part of being competitive
molten oasis
trying to get better at like, learning over complaining cuz that gets me nowhere
plain drum
I'd be curious to sit down with the new reg and try some more but I've got other stuff going on
Otherwise I'm satisfied with my short record in the last one
rustic mountain
i think complaining is fine but u gta realize wen to not let it get out of hand or so overbearing u fail to see ur own mistakes
molten oasis
i've really only been complaining when its thing out of my control
plain drum
Tree wisdom best wisdom
cyan smelt
I'm trying to learn about analysis during team preview and during matches at the moment, I've decided I'm going to stop complaining about losses and just start trying to really learn
rustic mountain
nice
rustic mountain
i've really only been complaining when its thing out of my control
its always in ur control tho thats the thing even wen u dont think it is
not in life unfortunately but in vgc for sure. crits, status conditions w/e theres always something u couldve done or changed in approach to shift the outcome of a match
even if its team choice
rustic mountain
u gta look at it overall in games and not just specific turns but replay different scenarios throughout the game and be able to reach a different conclusion/outcome. even if its going back to team preview in what u lead or chose or even didnt choose but mightve needed
like oh if i positioned this here t2 then t3 i couldve avoided this or a tera here was safer to cover for this option
molten oasis
hm, alr
cyan smelt
why aren't you comp helper tree
molten oasis
eh hes not blue so like close enough lmao
solid frigate
idk im just Lurk
molten oasis
yea, i should probably figure out what restricted is not cope for zac
shadow wind
Ok if I'm running AV Groudon do we think that something else needs Clam or nah
molten oasis
mirai's fine i just dont enjoy the ground overlaps
rustic mountain
terapagos?
solid frigate
terapagos?
run that with zacian and that cost my week one of a tournament
rustic mountain
ok but like was it the team or was it u
red willow
If I didnt suck Id prolly be doing alright with korai/lunala lol both seem p strong rn
molten oasis
i have gotten rolled by a couple zac pagos
like the pressure that duo can put on is pretty solid
rustic mountain
If I didnt suck Id prolly be doing alright with korai/lunala lol both seem p str...
its a solid core
solid frigate
ok but like was it the team or was it u
pagos Zac vs Iron Ball Kyogre+CIR
molten oasis
tf lmao
rustic mountain
i hate iron ball kyogre is becoming a thing
molten oasis
wait its a real thing? that sucks lmao
rustic mountain
also seems like a favorable mu for u
molten oasis
my other thing is pagos is like, what direction do you even go in
solid frigate
also seems like a favorable mu for u
It really isnt cuz I don’t have any Trick Room option with my Pokemon
rustic mountain
wait its a real thing? that sucks lmao
yea on tr teams it underspeeds ursa
molten oasis
like is that a balance thing or a hyper offense thing
molten oasis
yea on tr teams it underspeeds ursa
thats smart actually
solid frigate
my other thing is pagos is like, what direction do you even go in
appearently Calm Mind Is the most popular i saw
molten oasis
only would work with tr tho
molten oasis
oh it still sucks it just, makes sense
rustic mountain
lmfao
rustic mountain
appearently Calm Mind Is the most popular i saw
yea cm is the main set
molten oasis
like weezing is a mon that makes sense, and korai weezing is a rough mu
fighting weezing fucking sucks lol
rustic mountain
ud go like, zac/rilla/incin/urshi/pagos and flex slot prolly which is kinda boring but
molten oasis
alrightly im picking smth else lmao
rustic mountain
solid frigate
Miraidon Lunala in tmr:
molten oasis
cmon thats so boring
rustic mountain
u could get spicy and do like specs pagos tw stuff
but idk if thats even good tbh
molten oasis
idt specs pagos is good it wants the cm stuff
rustic mountain
specs pagos seems ok but idk if zacian is the right partner for that
molten oasis
power herb is also, meh
rustic mountain
power herb seems troll
red willow
I wanna try specs wake so bad but idk what to cut lol
red willow
Even on koraidon core?
rustic mountain
yea
solid frigate
Calm Mind Pagos kinda just punish any special Restricted Spamming Legendaries that does not have Urshifu
my team is ummm
4/6 are Special Attackers if you count Foul Play Grimmsnarl
molten oasis
yea, 2 dragons is rough to play with
red willow
Oh yeah I guess Id get nuked by opponents draco meteors and fairy bs
molten oasis
not to mention korai's defensive tera sucks
rustic mountain
its less 2 dragons and more like 1 of the dragons not necessarily netting u enough mileage
molten oasis
thats fair yea
solid frigate
not to mention korai's defensive tera sucks
if its Fire Dragon then it would be a Different Story honestly
rustic mountain
cuz plenty of good teams have overlapping types
molten oasis
oh max has been, persistent on eternatus
red willow
Yeah I guess high single target dmg isnt the best thing to be doing in doubles anyway
rustic mountain
if its Fire Dragon then it would be a Different Story honestly
then collision course isnt stab and that sucks, but yea everything else would be goated
molten oasis
well i bet it be fire instead