competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-grid-you-are-off-the-grid-alone-peace-and-quiet-nice-gif-13364339

[solid frigate]

its basically what i do with Greninja+CIR cuz nuke

[forest arrow]

I can’t practice or anything and my data in the country side where I live, I can’t even practice on mobile showdown

[solid frigate]

Major F

America is doomed

[forest arrow]

Lmao no its just my company I think

[solid frigate]

Ik lol im just sayinf

[real prairie]

Uk is not in any better position

Really tempted to pick up my shit and just move to Brasil or somewhere in Asia, make my money feel like im rich 🤣

[forest arrow]

Ho oh my beloved I shall see you soon I hope

I did just get a notification saying that it should be back up around 10am for me so here’s to hoping

[solid frigate]

LMFAO
i kinda have to stick to UK cuz ummm HK’s politics

Cool

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[forest arrow]

lol

[azure ether]

I just watched that video lmao

[real prairie]

its why i just run Hurricane lol

[solid frigate]

FINALLY SOMEONE KNOW WHY I RUN HURRICANE AS WELL

[forest arrow]

I think it’s still 70% accurate but with all the WG

I definitely think its better atm

[cyan smelt]

let's go won 5 in a row

[solid frigate]

yeah i was expecting W I D E

[azure ether]

BW is just bad under TR too

[solid frigate]

thats what my reason cuz Speed Drop is iffy imo

[real prairie]

the speed drops never come when you want them

prefer the confusion chance

[azure ether]

also confusion is gamba, and gamba is fun

[solid frigate]

i rather have consistent Speed Control+No wide guard moment

[solid frigate]

confusion is basically Para

[real prairie]

also why i run hydropump lol

[real prairie]

not since reg 9, its not as regular as para now

only 10% chance now

[solid frigate]

i still use Origin Pulse cuz like i want to just hit both Opponents even with Health down

[real prairie]

yeah Origin makes sense for anything not scarf haha

you have time to deal with wide guard

[solid frigate]

And Water Spout is a bit-

[solid frigate]

i just let Urshifu handle Lunala and Zama cuz Tera Water Shifu does not die to Body Press or Moonblast

[real prairie]

yeah, thus me thinking of dropping torn for ursh after grand challenge, makes for a better BO3 setup

[solid frigate]

wait no-

Urshifu and Landorus

fair enough

[real prairie]

scarf Urshifu instead, give it a coaching option for CIR too

[solid frigate]

im not using Miraidon Kyogre for GC

Im using a different team with Monke in GC

[solid frigate]

i just run Uturn cuz ummm thats the only Consistent Physical Attacker-

i hard countered by CM Terapagos but like Screens+Kyogre

[real prairie]

Ludicolo loves to see calm mind

https://tenor.com/view/encore-cheer-concert-clap-cheering-gif-11810326

[cyan smelt]

just lost to bulldoze caly-s next to weakness policy solgaleo, i hate bo3

bo1

[solid frigate]

I seen that with Sandy shocks most of the time

[cyan smelt]

i hate cts

i've lost 3 in a row to the most gimmicky shit possible

[solid frigate]

Just take a break from laddering

[cyan smelt]

i've lost 4 in a row this team is terrible

i can't get consistent results no matter what i try

[solid frigate]

For losing to gimmick stuff i rather take a Break more than staring at the builder

Like tilting would cause that as well

[cyan smelt]

5 in a row lost now

all to cts cheese

[solid frigate]

just take a break

You’re just tilting

[cyan smelt]

My team building skills are pretty bad

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/6e273b89ceb7c761 how do i improve this team?

[solid frigate]

switch Wellspring into Cornerstone Ogerpon

Lando and Zacian’s EVs feels a bit unoptimised imo

[waxen dock]

zacian can out speed max speed miraidon max speed c pao and all the 135 speed

[solid frigate]

lemme get my Zacian Spread

132 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 172 Speed
Jolly Nature

Just want to live Astral Barrage from CSR safer

[waxen dock]

why 172 speed?

[solid frigate]

outspeed Modest Tailroom Blood Moon Ursaluna by 1 point

under TW

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should switch to lunala koraidon

everyone is using miraidon ho-oh now

[solid frigate]

Honestly i dont think its a Major deal now

like everyone using it part

[cyan smelt]

i'm tired of electric seed lunala

[zinc totem]

is av kyogre worth to consider

[solid frigate]

pretty niche

[cyan smelt]

i hate reg i, i can't find a consistent team and i'm losing to covert cloak calm mind terapagos

tired of all the sweats on ladder

[lean falcon]

Hey, is it possible to play grand challenge at the weekend with rental team or only with own pokemon?

[foggy lodge]

You have to own the pokemon

[lean falcon]

Ok

[solid frigate]

thats because of your tilting honestly

I did tell you to take a break

[cyan smelt]

I LOST TO CALM MIND TERAPAGOS TWICE

[solid frigate]

i dunno whats the big deal

You have Koraidon/Groudon

[cyan smelt]

they had incin

and comfey

[solid frigate]

you literally have Indeedee

[cyan smelt]

they just kept floral healing

[solid frigate]

Just kill Pagos’s Partners before finishing them off

thats the No.1 rule on Beating Pagos

[shadow wind]

Easier said than done but yeah that’s the general idea

[cyan smelt]

i don't know how to play against covert cloak calm mind terapagos ok

[shadow wind]

Fake out collision course !!

[cyan smelt]

i don't have koraidon

[solid frigate]

i exists :/

[cyan smelt]

this meta is too hard for me

[shadow wind]

Fake out close combat !!

[cyan smelt]

i can't fake out i have psychic terrain and they have covert cloak

[shadow wind]

Fake out works with covert cloak

[solid frigate]

no shit
You literally tilting while playing when i even told you-

[shadow wind]

It’s to break Tera shell not to flinch

And don’t lead Indeedee then

[solid frigate]

exactly thats like the most normal thing when i use Terapagos

they lead incin and Urshifu

Or Incin Koraidon

[lone mural]

It gives "I can't take it anymore I'm at my fucking limit"

[sharp cobalt]

[solid frigate]

i tried tell him to take a break but no prevail

[zinc totem]

if you run shifu, it can balanjce it out or fighting type

[cyan smelt]

urshifu dark sucks

i'm thinking bout running grassy terrain instead of psychic

[zinc totem]

shifu water exists

mienshao with wide guard also is okay even if its abit weird one

[sharp cobalt]

I love Mienshao

[zinc totem]

sash cc fake out wide guard protect/taunt/knock off (dont think anyone really recommends mienshao but i just put it there on table) haha

if not running wide guard restricted or other WG pokemon

[cyan smelt]

i can't run urshifu-rs on sun

[sharp cobalt]

[lone mural]

Having rilla is a 1 man band against miraidon

Like everything they say about rilla being a miraidon counter is just so true

[cyan smelt]

except it explodes to koraidon

[lone mural]

That doesn't matter if it's got incredible support and matchups everywhere else

I mean if you need a koraidon counter then probably not but still

Rilla is a phenomenal mon in it's own right

[cyan smelt]

i can't really fake out with indeedee on the field but then i might have to run something else instead of lunala

how's rilla going for you?

[lone mural]

It wins me like every game I play against miraidon

Partly because zama is also an equally good miraidon matchup especially with tera grass

[cyan smelt]

then do i go grassy seed lunala or sneasler?

and i can't run av if bolt already has it

[lone mural]

Grassy seed lunala could go dummy

[cyan smelt]

then sash sneasler?

idk

[lone mural]

Idk I think you're cookin

[cyan smelt]

sneasler sucks

[zinc totem]

oh sneasler can be good with unburden

its not as good as shifu but dire claw is still nasty with close combat and throat chop

[cyan smelt]

that's what i'm running

[zinc totem]

sash or if you run terrain with seed and sneasler goes brrrr

[cyan smelt]

then i can keep power herb on lunala

but idk what to do about bolt and groudon then, if rilla needs av then idk what item to give bolt

i think i should just scrap my team, it ain't working

[zinc totem]

like sneasler is not any weaker than he was in reg H, just that shifu is better altervative cuz crits from rapid strike is just too good and gets aqua jet priority

[cyan smelt]

i'm also worried about ho-oh miraidon

[zinc totem]

dire claw doesnt mind either

let the game roll dice

[lone mural]

Holy shit people on Bo3 SD Ladder are so much nicer

They axtually stay and say gg after the set

There are also just more normal teams on there

Like I feel like I'm getting something out of my games and the losses were my fault rather than bo1 specials

I should've done this sooner

[exotic grotto]

What do you mean by normal teams?

[cyan smelt]

should i test rilla, bolt, incin, groudon, lunala, sneasler on bo3 ladder instead

[exotic grotto]

Go for it, Bidoof!

[lone mural]

It feels less like I'm just getting blind sighted by people running off the wall stuff. I feel like I know what to expect a little bit more there

[cyan smelt]

idk what item for bolt then if it's not AV

[lone mural]

This was in reg g but I really liked lefties

It's stupid and dumb but like

[cyan smelt]

i think it's too fast paced for that

[lone mural]

The team or bolt?

[cyan smelt]

the meta

[lone mural]

The extra survivability is always nice though especially with how bulky bolt is and how much it can do

[cyan smelt]

i'll try miracle seed rilla

[lone mural]

Oh right you have AV groudon

[cyan smelt]

no clam

[lone mural]

Oh?

Wheres your av then?

[cyan smelt]

av bolt

[lone mural]

Oh I see. I've always run AV rilla

Miracle seed could work but rilla will be dying a lot more

[cyan smelt]

well it's a choice between bolt and rilla dying, maybe i should put booster on bolt so it can work out of sun

[lone mural]

I forgor about booster yea absolutely booster bolt

[cyan smelt]

time to test in bo3, i'll probably lose horribly but meh

[lone mural]

244 HP / 68 Def / 100 SpA / 84 SpD / 12 Spe

This was my old bolt set

I think this is really good because you'll still nuke whatever you need to but it can just live for so long

[zinc totem]

i prefer av bolt which also works out of sun even if less SpA

[cyan smelt]

it's either av bolt or rilla or i scrap bolt

[zinc totem]

rilla with fake out is very good and checks on tera water cir etc

and lets you contest terrain against miraidons/indeedees

[solid frigate]

w a k e

wake is goated

korai Lunal Bonnet Wake Chi Yu Fari

[exotic grotto]

Is that your team?

[solid frigate]

nope just tell Kalos to use that idea cuz it kinda works in a way Koraidon Lunala team works

however Fari can be replaced by somethinf

[cyan smelt]

two dark types?

[solid frigate]

it works trust me

and you can replace Fari with a Tailwind Setter if you think fari is not clicking

[cyan smelt]

What item does farig, wake and koraidon run

[exotic grotto]

I think Farigiraf runs Booster Energy, and Koraidon Life Orb!

[zinc totem]

i wonder if scarf kyogre is basically best one to run due a lot wide guards around

[cyan smelt]

Ludicolo guy is running scarf kyogre

[zinc totem]

Koraidon runs LO/clear amulet

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but wake also likes lorb

[zinc totem]

wake also likes specs

or booster

[cyan smelt]

Maybe booster then because I like having protect

[zinc totem]

booster also helps against weather war cuz if sun is gone Boom booster activated

but if you want lorb, clear amulet on koraidon is good against incineroars

[cyan smelt]

I like the idea of extra damage against zamazentas

[zinc totem]

well walking wake specialk attacks already kinda handles it

[solid frigate]

Lorb for Korai
Specs for Wake
Goggles for Fari

specs wake is so good

[zinc totem]

definetly

specs wake just goes brrr

[exotic grotto]

What's Lorb?

[zinc totem]

for me i wonder if i want run CM, AV or scarf kyogre

[zinc totem]

life orb

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[exotic grotto]

Choice Scarf is a really great pick for Kyogre!

[zinc totem]

i know

[cyan smelt]

What teras for farig, wake and brute bonnet

[solid frigate]

I personally run Mystic Water cuz Slow Kyogre feels good for me umo

[zinc totem]

i got it on shifu

[solid frigate]

Fairy/Dark
Water
Water

[zinc totem]

im mystic water shifu enjoyer

tho covert cloak on kyogre would be hilarious if i meet snarlers

i know its HORRIBLE idea but you know fun

[cyan smelt]

The thing I like about wake is double resist to urshifu

[solid frigate]

used to be but like

I think its starting to fall off

[zinc totem]

true scarf/sash is way better

[exotic grotto]

To both single and rapid strike?

[cyan smelt]

Just rapid strike

[zinc totem]

rapid strike only

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[zinc totem]

imagine dragon resisting dark

[solid frigate]

nerfed so hard lmao

[zinc totem]

i know people gonna roast me about this buuuut

Kyogre @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 132 HP / 108 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature

• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Calm Mind
• Protect

is kinda lookig spicy

[exotic grotto]

Your Kyogre looks really strong! You're a great team builder!

[zinc totem]

im mediocre at best

i just think what pokemon will bring out that other same pokemon might not be able to do

[solid frigate]

don't worry he has the same reaction to everyone

[torn dew]

I have a question what is the best way to get evs?

[zinc totem]

you buy medicines that gives them

[solid frigate]

or Mochi

[zinc totem]

club room is money printer or you farm mochi

[torn dew]

Ok

[solid frigate]

Gacha but no reprecussion

[zinc totem]

other is just finding right mons and beating them up with band that gives extra

[zinc totem]

haha and im type of who just builds for fun than for competitions cuz there is no competitions in my country 🤣

but i do have some competitive stuff in my builds for ladder

[solid frigate]

i kinda just sacrifice speed for More Bulk

[zinc totem]

yeah but i run tw so i kinda need have some speed cuz its already hard take out my kyogre haha

[solid frigate]

i run both TW and T-Wave lmao

[zinc totem]

hehe my build is kinda also helping outspeed CSR and some speedy scarfers

unless CSR team comes with TW of their own

kyogre + roaring moon + water shifu + waterpon + rilla = lets goo

i could technically swap rilla to incin

but gotta have something contest against miraidons and indeedees

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Kyogre through Light Screen: 60-71 (29.2 - 34.6%) -- 6.13% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Kyogre through Light Screen: 91-108 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- 20.7% chance to 2HKO

nuh uh

just be with the flow of the Dragon

[zinc totem]

i dont run screens, i just hate screens

[solid frigate]

i think its almost 70% needed cuz ummm

The meta

[zinc totem]

its probably right thing to do but i just hate screens with passion

im maybe considering light screen on whimsi if i am going try that

[solid frigate]

i just go Mirai Ogre+Screens and its not bad

[zinc totem]

i probs use zama due wide guard being just strong atm

[exotic grotto]

Can wide guard be used repeatedly?

[zinc totem]

obviously if you know wide guard is coming its not that problem to deal with

[zinc totem]

yes it can be used repeatedly but you cant do protect after wide guard or vise versa

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[zinc totem]

but using it repeatedly is not good idea unless you're sure they are going use spread moves again and again

like specs miraidon with d gleam

[shadow wind]

You can wide guard after protecting

[zinc totem]

really?need test this

[shadow wind]

I mean you can use wide guard consecutively

So it only makes sense that it doesn’t have the “failing” aspect like protect does

[zinc totem]

wtf are these imprison zamazentas

SD ladder is just weird atm

[real prairie]

i just lost to a CSR that was somehow slower than my CIR in TR

[chrome knot]

huh

[real prairie]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regi-2358955259-3lhfhtb0hm6spcrj3b2vpgbba7bft8jpw

[chrome knot]

can i have a replay link

IRON BALL CSR LMAO

[spiral ridge]

Most GC bullshit lmfao

[grave vortex]

Who has calyrex

[solid frigate]

Ah yes TR CSR

[chrome knot]

its gc season

my gf did room service csr😭

[solid frigate]

LMAO

She did not hold back on the funni

[chrome knot]

she always has the funniest ideas for gcs

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-gif-14044853072993287312

i'm not joking about this btw

[mental mason]

Ugh. I hate screens. Feels like I just lose to being out-muscled than out-played. Maybe I switch to screens? Been tempting me for a bit. But I like my Unga bunga team...

[solid frigate]

its the meta rn and i am embracing it with my main team

[mental mason]

Yeah. They reduce damage a lot.

[foggy lodge]

Its a +1 in the end so yeah

The Miraidon Lunala team is super good

And the Lunala is tanky asf you have the electric seed the screens the tera and the shadow shield

[solid frigate]

i need calc Urshifu to att least beat Lunala otherwise

LANDO GO SLUDGY

[mental mason]

I've been meaning to test the Milwaukee winners team as I wanna use my shiny new Lunala in got from DA tbh.

[solid frigate]

looks like i am the only one who did not abandon my true main team

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/a89887c5ab6cb33e

[solid frigate]

i'm all alone with Mirai Ogre which i know is gutted

but i will try to make is presentable and workable in a way

[mental mason]

Thanks!

I've gotten to Rank ~2150 at one point with Mirai Ogre which i feel is pretty good for my first season. I love the sets i have on them but I feel like it requires mistakes on the other team with who they bring.

[solid frigate]

i ain't falling behind

throw away TR mode and go balls

[mental mason]

https://pokepast.es/5132f71322db0f6c

That's what i did lmao.

I've surprisingly won more TR games than I lost, but they're mainly mixed speed TR teams.

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2359070537-atfnbq0o1fvc47ffet4hxhelm7csj0gpw

Sneak Peak

[spiral ridge]

Wtfff

[tiny karma]

Item: Room Service

If Trick Room is active, the holder's Speed is lowered by 1 stage. Single use.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[spiral ridge]

I’ve seen an incin with this

@stiff granite wasn’t it you actually lmfao

[stiff granite]

what

[grizzled island]

Need ideas for new team mates

White kyerm: loaded dice ice spear
Ninetails: sets up snow and aurora veil

[solid frigate]

The only reason i can see why u use Quaquaval

is A.you don't have Shifu
B.you hate and don't want to use Shifu

[grizzled island]

I have it on a different competitive team and don't want many doubles lol

I added

Need 1 more

[solid frigate]

why cottonee and Torn at the same time-

Also where's your second restricted-

[grizzled island]

Isn't torn restricted??

[solid frigate]

nope

[grizzled island]

Oh

[solid frigate]

restricteds are box art legendary level

[grizzled island]

Uh idk cottonee is used often so I thought slowing stuff down

[solid frigate]

Prankster Tailwind from Torn already works

[grizzled island]

Okay any ideas on what to add or replace

[solid frigate]

remove cottonee and put Hearthflame Ogerpon and you have a consistent team that just need a second restrict to work

[grizzled island]

Anyone else but Ogerpon

[solid frigate]

why-

Thats like the most normal choice-

[grizzled island]

I got some reasons

Any other suggestions

[solid frigate]

Entei or Incineroar

But i want to know why the exact reason

[grizzled island]

Ill try entei that's new to me

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/CybertronVGC/status/1920137960294392107

Aaron "Cybertron" Zheng (@CybertronVGC) on X

I’ll be streaming the Grand Challenge IV with @WolfeyGlick, live on Pokémon’s official stream from their studio in Seattle this Friday!

Open to fun team ideas, what do you think I should bring 🤔

X · May 7, 2025, 3:25 PM

[next stump]

That's gonna be super fun to watch

[dense latch]

the chemistry between them wolfey and aaron is amazing

[cyan smelt]

is safety goggles or rocky helmet better on incin?

not much spore around because of miraidon

[bold geode]

Either or

[cyan smelt]

also with lunala is it better to get rid of tr entirely and just go, moongeist, meteor, moonblast and wide guard?

if i get rid of tr i have no speed control

[chrome knot]

do i question my life if okidogi is in my builder

[bold geode]

DMs

[cyan smelt]

I think with the rise in brute bonnet stonks I'll put goggles on incin

Bo3 is fun compared to bo1

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/infernape-pokémon-flare-blitz-flame-charge-uses-gif-27020363

just flare blitz kek

[cyan smelt]

Torrent what moves does farig run on that koraidon team

[solid frigate]

Dgleam Foul Play Trick Room Helping Hand

almost all Fari in teams would run that

44 Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Protosynthesis Brute Bonnet in Sun: 134-162 (61.7 - 74.6%) -- 99.61% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

Funni

[cyan smelt]

Isn't that why they tera water

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why you can pin them with Ogerpon (If you have one) and Incin

[dense latch]

dgleam?

[solid frigate]

does good damage still against Mirror Koraidons and Decent chip to Zama

you aren't using fari for damage anyways

and no i do not accept Imprison

[dense latch]

psychic might honestly do similar damage to korai and more to zama

and psychic noise is better for hands stuff

i’ve never seen it but i see the thought process

it might be better on certain teams

[solid frigate]

Dark types would just wall entirely now with Grimmsnarl being the centerpiece of Bulk Teams

also
4 SpA Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 100-120 (56.8 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Tera-Fairy Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 148-180 (84 - 102.2%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
4 SpA Tera-Fairy Farigiraf Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 114-134 (64.7 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i would honestly go for Dgleam imo

cuz sure the damage output is worse pre tera cuz its spread but if you tera it can do good stuff

and even then the damage is comparable

its 4x Effective - Spread Nerf vs 2x Effective + STAB

[foggy lodge]

Eh

[dense latch]

psychic seems like more consistent chip imo, dgleam is stronger for very few scenarios i feel like

at the end of the day you can just use other tools to deal with dark types, i feel like you shouldn’t be relying on farig to KO those ahyways

[foggy lodge]

Its for a GC and no one expects a Farigiraf to run dgleam ig it's fine

[dense latch]

but like how much of an advantage is a surprise dgleam really going to give you

[solid frigate]

able to OHKO Korai
Beats roaring moon rather than losing to it
Actually can hit Grimmsnarl when its like the best screen setter+Twave spammer

[foggy lodge]

4 SpA Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 132+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 32-39 (15.8 - 19.3%) -- possible 6HKO

xd

[solid frigate]

at least its better than not hitting it at all

[foggy lodge]

Unless you calc it so dgleam + something kos grimmsnarl

It's not really worth it imo

[dense latch]

and you need to commit your tera on farig to even get a roll for the OHKO on koraidon, otherwise it’s worse damage than psychic

both are likely to force tera out of koraidon if it’s available and psychic is better after tera

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Grimmsnarl in Sun through Reflect: 146-172 (72.2 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 33-40 (16.3 - 19.8%) -- possible 6HKO

There you go

[dense latch]

there’s a reason hardly any farigs run gleam

[foggy lodge]

TERA FAIRY DGLEAM IS A 6% CHANCE

WHAT??

I didn't realize it was terad lmao

[foggy lodge]

Its something atleast

Tho in that spot the Grimmsnarl will most likely go for reflect

Idk how much damage the dgleam without light screen does it was a 25% i think

[solid frigate]

Thats why i calced for both

4 SpA Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl: 50-60 (24.7 - 29.7%) -- 99.98% chance to 4HKO

[foggy lodge]

Oh wait yeah it's through reflect

[bold geode]

@chrome knot do me a favor

[foggy lodge]

It's fine

[chrome knot]

what

[bold geode]

Don't let me fatass go to the grocery store hungry again

[chrome knot]

,,,

[bold geode]

I WENT IN
FOR A FUCKING BAG OF TORTILLA CHIPS

AND SPENT 30 FUCKING DOLLARS

[foggy lodge]

wtf lmao

[dense latch]

lmao

[solid frigate]

with Tera Fairy Dgleam you can combo with something like Choice Specs Hydro Steam to not OHKO but cripple Grimmsnarl enough to be in a position where they have to preservating their Grimmsnarl or Sacrifice it

4 SpA Tera-Fairy Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 49-60 (24.2 - 29.7%) -- 99.63% chance to 4HKO
244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl in Sun through Light Screen: 99-117 (49 - 57.9%) -- 96.09% chance to 2HKO
= 73.2 - 87.6

244 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Water Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl in Sun through Light Screen: 132-156 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Farigiraf Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 33-40 (16.3 - 19.8%) -- possible 6HKO
= 81.6 - 97

forcing reposition themselves

[cyan smelt]

What do you do if miraidon just electro drifts or ho oh just uses sacred fire

[solid frigate]

just pray with Koraidon

Or just play better,cuz normally Walking Wake can threaten OHKO on Ho-Oh under the sun to make Ho-Oh Tera

or you can do Follow Me Ogerpon and Tera Fire flame Charge with Koraidon to make sure you outspeed both and force a pin with Koraidon+Walking Wake on Ho-Oh

[spiral ridge]

Show the haul

[chrome knot]

encouraging his ass😭

[spiral ridge]

Nah I’m just fat too

[cyan smelt]

U need a diet

[spiral ridge]

Doing that

[chrome knot]

i need a diet soda!!!!

[spiral ridge]

I have some

[cyan smelt]

I need to lose more weight too

[chrome knot]

i need gain weight

i learnt my gf can princess carry me without any issue and im not sure how to feel

[spiral ridge]

You enjoyed that don’t lie

[chrome knot]

no i wish she’d do it always actually

[verbal night]

hmm. trying to build a korai/lunala team but I think i'm just not getting how they work.

[bold geode]

I was finna say are we really complaining

[spiral ridge]

Princess Carry me monkey

[rustic mountain]

-8ball build mirai/lunala in game?

[gentle crag]

build mirai/lunala in game?
:8ball: My sources say no

[rustic mountain]

-8ball wb later

[gentle crag]

wb later
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[cyan smelt]

Do it anyway, rotom is a liar

[rustic mountain]

yea

csr/zama was fun while it lasted, its still solid but its so targetted rn

[dense latch]

crazy how csr always gets insta targeted early format lmao

[cyan smelt]

Mainly because of Dillon's volcarona and scarf miraidon right

[chrome knot]

-8ball kill urshifu on this team?

[gentle crag]

kill urshifu on this team?
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[chrome knot]

oookay now what wtf

[dense latch]

rip in peace urshifu

[rustic mountain]

its too good

it warrants that respect

[dense latch]

volc is so fun to use

[cyan smelt]

Crazy how every gen lunala always gets a strong showing

[dense latch]

honestly one of my favorite mons oat in vgc

[rustic mountain]

not really more like the ursa/giraffe/grimms and incins everywhere ontop of tera dark and normal csrs and what not

[dense latch]

both the quiver and the support set

[cyan smelt]

-8ball do I run flare blitz instead of will o wisp on incin

[gentle crag]

do I run flare blitz instead of will o wisp on incin
:8ball: It is certain

[dense latch]

feels like most popular teams have multiple checks into csr zama

[rustic mountain]

lunalas good in dres cuz it doesnt have to be the main mon

[dense latch]

i need to lock in and type more here so i can use 8ball :((

[cyan smelt]

I'm enjoying using incin way more than I thought I would

[rustic mountain]

as they should but yea just makes the game harder then it needs to be why keep doing that to myself type shit lol

like i said its still solid but some wins i feel i gta work so hard for

[dense latch]

70% of the time you play ursas and grimm and every dark/normal type under the sun, and the other 30% is just csr speed ties lmao

[rustic mountain]

yep

its fine tbh i got to use zama a bunch, ill come back to it at some point but i wanna use lunala too, got a shiny one just collecting dust

[dense latch]

i wanna use my shiny iron hands so bad but it’s not min speed, been wondering if it’s worth it

idk if dillon’s hands was min speed or not

[rustic mountain]

yea theres plenty of hands that werent min speed

[dense latch]

the less speed ties the better in my eyes

[rustic mountain]

if u look at adis top 16 hands it was like heavily speed invested to outspeed incins

[dense latch]

that’s neat

[rustic mountain]

check out his team report man

its a good watch

[dense latch]

i had that on my watch later i think

think the team is super cool

[rustic mountain]

yea hands does not need to be min speed

some comps sure but its not required

[dense latch]

also trying to find a good speed tier for cir

[rustic mountain]

also certain middle speed mons in tailwind cuz ho oh

[dense latch]

i’ve tried 75 79 and 85 i think

[rustic mountain]

yea idk

i think depends wat the rest of ur team looks like

if u dont have a tw mode, really not much a point to hit 85

cuz ud wanna know ud underspeed the incins under tr

[dense latch]

just using dillon’s team rn

[rustic mountain]

like the same 6 or the rental

[dense latch]

had valiant over rockpon pre-milwaukee but after his run i think the latter might be nice

same six, had most built since i was testing similar cores

[rustic mountain]

id ask him tbh, if hes willing to share ofc. might atleast give some insight on cir speed tiers since hes played it so much

[dense latch]

yea i’d love to hear his takes on gameplans and spreads but didnt want to be a bother if he wasn’t willing to share lol

[rustic mountain]

if he doesnt want to he doesnt want to but atleast ask, like i said he may not share spreads but could provide potentially other valuable info

[cyan smelt]

Volc seems like it might be better than incin because I don't have to tera to avoid body press and it's faster than lunala

[dense latch]

that’s true

[cyan smelt]

And it's neutral to high horsepower

[rustic mountain]

idk if id say better then incin but it certainly provides value

[cyan smelt]

It would be good on sun too right?

Only thing is no fake out

[dense latch]

it’s more of a matter of what the team needs

[rustic mountain]

yea i get that

[rustic mountain]

idt itd be bad but not sure it justifies itself on a sun team over other mons

[dense latch]

incin and volc kinda have different roles as support mons it’s weird to compare them in a vacuum

[rustic mountain]

agreed

[cyan smelt]

I'm still not sure about my team

[rustic mountain]

but generally id say incin has shown it has more widepsread plug and play use based on its specific role compression vs volcarona who has had its times of being good but nowhere near incin level

[cyan smelt]

Kinda testing it on bo3 because bo1 was just horrible

Idk why I was so opposed to using incin, it's really fun to use it

[rustic mountain]

i love incin

[dense latch]

what’s your team?

incin is goated

[cyan smelt]

Groudon, lunala, bolt, rilla, incin, sneasler

[spiral ridge]

Can’t wait for next gen where we get redirect move that lowers a stat on a good mon

[cyan smelt]

Really easy to use incin too, just fake out, knock off or parting shot, knock off if they have farig or Indeedee

[astral kelp]

Lmao new James baek video coping kyu-b

Kyu black just looks like a much MUCH worse koraidon

Scale shot is like a speed setup move but unlike flare blitz it makes you hella squishy

[cyan smelt]

Idk kyurem black and reshiram could cook

[astral kelp]

I mean flame charge

[astral kelp]

💀

I get the idea of the fusion thing but it's so like

Akward in practice

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't help they're so slow

[astral kelp]

Yeahhh

Kyu black is decently fast

[cyan smelt]

And you need to run loaded dice on kyurem black so you get intim cycled

[astral kelp]

It's a typing and incineroar victim

Also shit movepool

[rustic mountain]

has much more to contend w/ then just that

[astral kelp]

It's good offensive coverage tbf

[rustic mountain]

lotta restricteds are just......there

[astral kelp]

Ice eletric and dragon

[astral kelp]

Lugia moment

[dense latch]

it’s also ugly as shit i don’t wanna see that every game i play

[rustic mountain]

big lugia moment

[rustic mountain]

based

[dense latch]

but that’s the least of kyurem black’s prblems

somehow

[astral kelp]

Tf you mean it looks R A D I C A L

[rustic mountain]

gen 5 restricteds are basic

[astral kelp]

They are sick ass fusing dragons wdymmmm

[rustic mountain]

nah

[astral kelp]

Always been my favorite restricteds

Like zacian and zamazenta are just dogs

Actually gen 6 restricted look pretty awesome

[cyan smelt]

At least kyurem white has strong spread

[dense latch]

reshiram is cool

[rustic mountain]

sure but they are majestic and have cool designs to back up their lore of defending the region. kyruem and zekrom are just like clunky dragons that dont really jump out at all to me

[astral kelp]

I feel like kyurem white is such a beast in the right situation

I was playing specs for a while it was fucking awesome

[rustic mountain]

and reshiram is ok but even then comparably to other restricteds its bottom end

[dense latch]

sucks that it relies on a9 though

[cyan smelt]

Or torn

[astral kelp]

Yeahh

That's why it will never woke in reg i

Reg G maybe but reg I no way

[cyan smelt]

Not with wide guard everywhere

[rustic mountain]

even in reg g its mid cuz it has to be ur main guy contending w/ way bigger threats

[dense latch]

they need big buffs

[rustic mountain]

they need something

[astral kelp]

Yeah wide guard and it not synergy with any restricted thag much

[cyan smelt]

Everything pre gen 7 needs a big buff, except kyogre, that thing is broken

[astral kelp]

I was playing gravity kyurem for a while that was kinda cool

[astral kelp]

Water spout moment

[dense latch]

buff freeze shock and ice burn to work like meteor beam/electro shot or something

[rustic mountain]

tbh tho, just like w/ all mons, not everything needs to be overpowered, i dont wanna have to deal w/ 20+ viable restricteds wen the format rolls around

[dense latch]

i agree

[rustic mountain]

too much variety is also toxic in its own way for competitive

[astral kelp]

I get that but the dlc restricted being so busted is so dumb

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont disagree

[cyan smelt]

It's kinda bad that every gen they just power creep the previous gen

[rustic mountain]

atleast in gen 9 the base game restricteds are the best

[astral kelp]

Koraidon and miraidon are pretty cool

[rustic mountain]

id say korai and mirai are comparable to gen 8 power. they didnt necessarily up it they kept it the same

[astral kelp]

Miraidon is just so disgusting tho

The fact that volt swith can just one shot a "bulky" Mon is like not okay

[rustic mountain]

its just adding more restricteds of that power is gna just lower the viability of anything else that was already below that ceiling

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon gets spread and koraidon doesn't, that's unfair

[astral kelp]

Non stab dazzling Gleam sometimes too

[astral kelp]

Koraidon is a physical attacker so he doesn't get shit

[cyan smelt]

Koraidon also has a worse typing

[astral kelp]

Like miraidon gets sooo much good shit

[rustic mountain]

thats like saying groudon doesnt get a ground type water spout but it still kept up with kyogre throughout all these gens (other then the current one)

[astral kelp]

Koraidon doesn't even get stab on it's strongest ability in the sun

[rustic mountain]

which is why wen tera drops it wont be as good

[astral kelp]

His sun synergy fucking chunks himself for like half his health too

[astral kelp]

Yeah btw how did that happen?

[rustic mountain]

idk

[astral kelp]

From what I've seen Groudon just seems so much worse than koraidon

[rustic mountain]

ask the gen 3 development team

[astral kelp]

Prolly sun being better than rain?

[rustic mountain]

yea this gen specifically korai just outclasses groudon

[cyan smelt]

Probably something to do with the physical special split

It hurt ludicolo too

[spiral ridge]

Koraidon next gen staring down a fucking clefairy

[astral kelp]

Mega Groudon was the best Mon in the game in like gen 6 right?

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[rustic mountain]

also curious if restricteds jus are gna have multiple abilities now

[astral kelp]

I guess

[dense latch]

can’t wait to use a dark type move on csr and it actually hitting for super effective

[rustic mountain]

calyrex riders + korai and mira + terapagos and even ogerpon but w/ tera that would change

[astral kelp]

Btw do you guys think that csr is fine?

[spiral ridge]

Hopefully they make wheezing actually affect all of them if so

[astral kelp]

I feel like there's a lot of counter play and he can't hit dark types

[rustic mountain]

yes

[dense latch]

csr did great in swsh

even in the format without dmax

[rustic mountain]

it did

[dense latch]

yea it cant tera out of its weaknesses

[rustic mountain]

but its not problematic

[astral kelp]

It is kind of a sucker punch victim

[dense latch]

but other pokemon can’t tera out of barrage either

[astral kelp]

And hard loses to trick room

[rustic mountain]

sure it won worlds but idt it had much other representation in top cut 2022

[astral kelp]

True actually

[dense latch]

it’s certainly a net negative but it’s still a busted mon

[spiral ridge]

CSR has stats to always keep it decent even if has some negatives

[astral kelp]

It's just too fast I think

[rustic mountain]

its very strong but like any restricted it has drawbacks

[astral kelp]

But again if it wasn't that fast it would be super ass prolly

[rustic mountain]

some are just more then others

[spiral ridge]

We have so much speed control now and we’ll likely get more next gen

[astral kelp]

Cir is held back by its type hard too

It's unreasonably tánky tbf

[rustic mountain]

well have to worry about 350 speed in gen 10 after worrying about 277 (leki) and 305 or 306 (bundle and flutter booster speeds iirc)

[spiral ridge]

Yeah
So same reasoning lol

[astral kelp]

Oh fucking lord

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I’m good just hard TR me they can’t go into negatives

[rustic mountain]

[spiral ridge]

No

[rustic mountain]

if leki agilities enough

[astral kelp]

Fluttermane has got to be some of the most busted shit the game has ever released lmao

[lone mural]

I raise you csr

Stupid fucking honse

[astral kelp]

Csr is a restricted só it gets a lil bit of a pass

[spiral ridge]

My good sir
If they ever add enough speed buffs to break the integer limit
This game would have turned into yugioh level power creep always drop 10000$ for new thing

[astral kelp]

Nah yugioh level is still far away

That shit is stupid

[rustic mountain]

idk yugioh lvl but ud need i think every agility to outspeed in tr and even then like wat tr team is allowing u to do that

[astral kelp]

A good point tho is the fucking sheer price of their docs

Dlcs

[rustic mountain]

just cuz things can happen doesnt mean they are likely gna happen

[astral kelp]

I just finished the teal mask portion of it and I'm like in shock they charged that much for it lmao

[rustic mountain]

which is why most gimmick strats that take 1-3 turns to set up are inconsistent and meme material

[spiral ridge]

Wait what number does it break at?

I was thinking like 64-bit that goes to like 2 trillion or smth

[astral kelp]

Yeah honestly tho despite all the shit we give I'm pretty new to pokemon and I've played like a fuck ton of game like this
Pokemon is unironically one of the most balanced competitive strategy games I've ever played

There's always broken strats but there's always ways to beat them

Pokemon can feel like absolute insane beasts but sometimes they feel absolute ass

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ynpx7Rfmk

[astral kelp]

I'd say the only Mon rn that I would call unreasonably broken is miraidon

Because there isn't that much counterplay tbh

[dense latch]

you just need 1809 speed to break tr

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNbOl4w2FI
on a serious note this is actually how ud do it in game

[astral kelp]

It's always shuckle istg

[spiral ridge]

What da
Okay so not 64 bit limit but still super high

[dense latch]

since the formula uses 10000-8192 or something like that

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

Wait so trick room is coded as a fuck ton of speed wtf why

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

I guess it sets the speed to high number - speed actually that makes a lot of sense

So then they don't have to change like base rules

[rustic mountain]

id watch the freezai vid i linked 2nd to actually get the breakdown

[astral kelp]

Ye watching rn

[spiral ridge]

That is so jank a system

Lmfaoo

Funny

[dense latch]

lol with the right setup you could get eleki to be the slowest mon in the game

[lost sun]

tbf all u got to do is press TR once

is it even possible to get x16 speed

[cyan smelt]

Imagine seeing that, you set up tr then eleki is faster than tr

[dense latch]

yea but that’s no fun

[spiral ridge]

1 speed eleki

[dense latch]

+6 + trick choice scarf + skill swap swift swim + tailwind

i’ve been messing around and the closest i get to the exact overflow amount is 8190

then it’s 8208 no matter what i do lol

[lost sun]

imagine seeing someone do all those speed buffs just for it to move last

[tiny karma]

Move: Lock-On

Until the end of the next turn, the target cannot avoid the user's moves, even if the target is in the middle of a two-turn move. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field. Fails if this effect is active for the user.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dense latch]

based tr sweeper

[lone mural]

When are they making a move called lock in where you just lose immediately

[cyan smelt]

i didn't realise sandsear storm could burn

[dense latch]

why were you playing a non sheer force landorus

if that's what happened

[cyan smelt]

i wasn't, i saw it on a replay

[dense latch]

oh

[lone mural]

What's the vote on leaving a restricted behind

I feel like it's just. Don't do it. But I don't know if it's a never

[languid ocean]

oh the local tournament already released the scoring system

im just winging a team draft, would like to hear some thoughts https://pokepast.es/aae1ae1514f909c6 (I)

wait psychic terrain should be trick room, trickroom on articuno should be tailwind

although idt it would be useful against prankster tw

[lone mural]

Speaking of locals, I was wanting to ask. Does anyone know if there's an kind of local tournament scene in aus?

I know there's Melbourne regionals soon which I'm attending but I wanna look into local tournaments and so far I've not been able to find anything

[languid ocean]

personally I would just message around or chat during the event - I wouldn't know about local tournaments let alone joining local communities otherwise

not sure how it is in most countries but my impression is that community presence outside of US/EU is quite small

[cyan smelt]

I tried running sun with brute bonnet, incin, raging bolt, Groudon, lunala and wake and I'M STILL LOSING WAY TOO MUCH

I'm not good at this game

[lone mural]

You're also playing on tilt

So you should maybe stop playing and let yourself calm down

[cyan smelt]

You'd be tilted too if you lost to tera electric kyogre

[lone mural]

Oh I know I would I have played tera electric kyogre before actually and after I did I took a break

[cyan smelt]

Most kyogres are tera grass

I also lost to toxic toxapex and ho oh with recover, nobody uses toxapex and nobody runs recover ho oh

[lone mural]

Good shout actually cheers for that

I feel like the presence in Australia in vgc is null

It's kinda sad cause despite me not wanting to compete super seriously I just wanna play the game

[lone mural]

Bo1 cts

It happens, you get fucked over by dumb bullshit

You need to be ready for that shit. There's no real way to plan ahead but it happens

[cyan smelt]

How come jack can get 68% gxe and I can't even make anything that's even functional

At this point I'm gonna switch to koraidon because at least it can do tons of damage to kyogre

[lone mural]

Please take a break I'm begging

[cyan smelt]

I'm not playing

I'm currently trying to chill out

[lone mural]

GOOD

Revitalising your mental is the best thing I've found to combat tilt

If you're tilted you're not playing well and if you're not playing well you tilt harder

[cyan smelt]

I just think the teams I build are garbage and this current team can be easily reversed by manual weather

And it's zacian bait

And tera dragon Zama bait

[lone mural]

Yea but

When does anyone run manual weather

[cyan smelt]

Torn

[lone mural]

Every weather team is weak to manual weather

[lone mural]

Is torn even that common

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[lone mural]

I have not seen a single torn in like 20 games

I got a different version of showdown to you lol

[cyan smelt]

22% usage on munchstats

[lone mural]

Christ where are the torn at I have not seen one in ages

[cyan smelt]

On kyogre teams

[lone mural]

True

That explains where they've gone

I have not seen a kyogre in ages either

[cyan smelt]

I feel like my team can't handle any legends, it can't handle ho oh, it can't handle zacian, it can't handle kyogre, it can't handle csr

[solid frigate]

just play better

[cyan smelt]

I can't I am rubbish

[lone mural]

It's not as though weather is just. Bad though.

[solid frigate]

iff my Core is more Niche than whatever the fuck you run and still work

You can do it better

Sun is probably the better weather effect rn

[cyan smelt]

I think I need to go back to vgc guide and really try to understand it

[solid frigate]

its more like

not tilt and try to play the game by not overthinking

[lone mural]

^

[cyan smelt]

I feel like my problem is that I don't think at all, I should have brought bolt against that toxapex

[lone mural]

I'm always really scared booting up ladder for some reason but just trying to calm down is such an amazing help

[cyan smelt]

But instead I brought walking wake

[solid frigate]

hell i'm using Mirai Ogre and i almost always Tilt-

But because i know my comp is Gutted i try to play it out

[lone mural]

There's your problem. It's not bad if you just wanna play the game to turn your brain off but if you're trying to win then-

[solid frigate]

thats why you overthink it

[lone mural]

What is bro cooking

[solid frigate]

sometimes i just Rain+Surging Strikes

Head Empty

[lone mural]

Actually no I can't dog on anyone I run the white bread of reg i

[solid frigate]

got 1500 with it

[cyan smelt]

I need to just think about what my opponent has and what they're likely to lead

[lone mural]

He's insane ?

Goated with the sticks ⁉️

[solid frigate]

mirai Ogre’s Problem is basically just like ZacOgre where its linear and limited options

except its way more limited

[lone mural]

The more you play the more you understand what your gameplan has to be and what to bring against certain archetypes. I don't put toooo much though into my 4 I just think what I need to lead to counter them/cover my ass and what I need in the back

[cyan smelt]

My brain just switches off when I need to decide what to bring

[lone mural]

It's simpler than you'd think but it's easy to let yourself be overwhelmed

That's why bo3 is so good!

I got fucked by Mirai Lunala and was bringing incin to counter their team but they were playing slow and weren't using tr so I realised I could omega get away with stepping on the gas

So game three I left incin and Brough ursh and that's it

[cyan smelt]

I think that I get overwhelmed when having to make decisions because of autism

[solid frigate]

I usually just run Grimmsnarl+2 Water Types and Lando against that core

Sometimes even brought my own Miraidon

[solid frigate]

thats not an excuse when i also have it

you dont let Autism label you as Trash

[cyan smelt]

I've always struggled when it comes to decision making and I can't deal with pressure well at all

[lone mural]

Chronic ADHD overthinker here

It's an omega debuff but it's possible to get around

[solid frigate]

Exactly

[lone mural]

What I do is slow down and remind myself that none of this really matters

[solid frigate]

its like Getting Parting Shotted but you can just switch or Clear Amulet

Or as i would do

VOLT SWITCH AND KILL THE INCIN

[lone mural]

Who cares if you eat shit and lose click go next

[cyan smelt]

I tend to take things super seriously, I'm not good at relaxing

[solid frigate]

So am i,but whats stopping you or me relaxing?

[cyan smelt]

I get too hung up on results and need to try and analyse what's going wrong

[solid frigate]

Just don’t get too serious sometimes

[cyan smelt]

I don't know how to not be

[next stump]

@cyan smelt try coming up with preplanned gameplans so you don’t need to spend so much time thinking on the spot

[lone mural]

It's a lot a lot easier to calm down once you realise that if you lose you can just choose to go on and do something else

It's a lot different for if you're at a bloody regional or something but it's way easier to do on ladder

[cyan smelt]

So game plans like if they have fast mons then I set up tr, if they have tr try and knock their mons out fast?

[lone mural]

The game you play on ladder is not gonna matter after the match is over

[lone mural]

Not a bad start

Just have an idea of what are a few general leads against common archetypes

My ride or die is Zama rilla. It's so safe and so easy to lead

[cyan smelt]

The tricky ones are when they have torn + Amoonguss or farig + Amoonguss+ caly shadow

[lone mural]

Taunt or anti tr can never go wrong there

Taunt incin has literally changed the dynamic of my whole team

[cyan smelt]

Or like lunala Grimm miraidon is tricky

[lone mural]

You're getting a bit too specific methinks

Just being generally ready to click the find a game button is just always good

[cyan smelt]

The problem is that bo1 ladder is like the wild west so idk how to come up with a gameplan

[lone mural]

Pokemon is a game where you can't prepare for everything and not every matchup is going to be doable

[cyan smelt]

Groudon wake seems like a safe lead, or Groudon bolt

[lone mural]

Then play bo3, I know it's hard but competitive Pokemon is hard so-

[next stump]

don’t play the bo1 ladder if you want to eventually use the team in a tournament

[cyan smelt]

I don't know if my team is good enough for a regional

[lone mural]

I learned this yesterday when I was prepping for melb :)

I was getting so much positive feedback from practicing bo3

[lone mural]

I don't know if my team is good enough, your point?

[cyan smelt]

I don't want to waste resources on something that might be bad

And I'd have to spend a lot of money to go to Melbourne

[lone mural]

I know it's a lot less than what you're gonna have to spend but I burnt 50 dollars while I'm going through a financial crisis, I'm just doing it cause it's fun smile

If you're gonna go to regionals you're gonna do it either to win or to have fun

Or both

Both is good.

But you need to decide if that's worth the travel cost and a good team isn't gonna change that

[cyan smelt]

I'm not close to being good enough so I should probably aim to have fun playing primarily

[lone mural]

The flight is gonna cost the same and mean the same thing for you financially whether or not your team is strong

[cyan smelt]

Tbh I'll probably struggle even when using a proven team

[lone mural]

That's what I'm doing because this is my first event and I'm gonna be lucky to get 2 sets and I'm still gonna have fun

[lone mural]

A good team wouldn't make the tournament anymore fun/worth it. A good mental will

[cyan smelt]

I don't have that, I feel like I'm super weak mentally

Don't react well to adversity at all

That's my main problem I think, I'm weak mentally

[lone mural]

I think phrasing it like that is a bit harmful. I feel like saying more that you have a weak mental is better because your mental game is something that can be improved the more you play and the more experienced you become

I thank 6 years of speedrunning experience for that

[cyan smelt]

I don't know how to react well to pressure

Now that I'm aware of that maybe I can stop and think about decisions I make during a game

[lone mural]

That's a backbone you can only develop by playing more but the best way to move forward is to just acknowledge that you've got room to improve and let yourself learn

[lone mural]

That's the first step. Just take a deep breath and assess

[cyan smelt]

Need to stop going on autopilot

[lone mural]

It's a hard habit to break but once you do you'll notice you'll be more calm about losing

What helped me was playing on ladder with people on call who had much more awareness than me

Helped me realise thought patterns that were helpful

[cyan smelt]

Maybe with pausing before I make decisions I can make better decisions

[lone mural]

Bo3 is nice because people aren't assholes who always turn on timer immediately

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but in regionals you have a time limit

[lone mural]

Yea ofc

You're gonna have the pressure then but practicing without it is nice

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should try playing again but this time pausing before I make decisions

Also idk whether to put Draco meteor back on walking wake since I have it on bolt already

[lone mural]

I disagree

Let yourself detox till tomorrow

Come back with a fresh head

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I should get an early night I'm still pretty tilted

[astral kelp]

💀

lmao

[lone mural]

Me when I forgor regigigas isn't restricted

Also wtf am I looking at

[cyan smelt]

Idk if I'll feel like playing tomorrow

[lone mural]

That's okay. Give yourself a break

Do make sure to come back soon if you do end up going to melb regionals but if you do end up going then still it's okay to give yourself a break to refresh from tilt

[cyan smelt]

Maybe tomorrow if I feel like it I'll practice with a proven team since I'm no good with building my own teams so I need to learn how well performing teams work

[lone mural]

I wouldn't say that but it's perfectly valid to use rentals

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/ce578abef8482bab how can i improve this team i plan to use it in the gc

[solid frigate]

ah

Yuta's Team but he stole Luca's Miraidon

there's nothing wrong imo

[waxen dock]

yes

[solid frigate]

nothing wrong you're good

[real prairie]

Fuck yo' Turtle https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2359611994-shvvcwqd87s36hpf8isf2ln07la74n8pw

[exotic grotto]

Wow, Ludicolo! You made that move perfectly- you're extremely skilled! Keep it up!

[next stump]

good luck in the last GC today people

[exotic grotto]

Dillon, good luck if you're competing as well!

[languid ocean]

OCE has the same circuit like Asia right?

PBL > UBL > MBL

[solid frigate]

bro is at it again killing sealife

[real prairie]

Haha thanks

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to fyomin

[real prairie]

Tomorrow no?

[next stump]

they start thursday night for america

like 8PM EST

[real prairie]

Ah right

Because it's 12pm BST

[solid frigate]

gonna do something with the sun cat

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

my ass forgot to put Protect on Solgaleo

[chrome knot]

nova wanna see something funny

[craggy dagger]

and what do you have instead?

[craggy dagger]

Show show

[solid frigate]

Morning Sun lmao

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

don't worry i changed it

i haven't joined the thing yet

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

at least it beaten a Zac Ogre in Testing rounds in Cart

[chrome knot]

she fake out, she feint, she swing at grimm

[solid frigate]

[real prairie]

https://x.com/VGCdata/status/1920515162240372758?t=wzJp9KrF6eFEcoeF5HLvJA&s=19

VGC Data (@VGCdata) on X

📊 Regulation I ladder usage stats update

Usage stats for Battle Stadium VGC: Take a look at the metagame in the first week of May Season to prepare for Grand Challenge IV

You can find more info on Pokémon HOME

X · May 8, 2025, 4:24 PM

Miraidon #1 breeds hope for my tera ground CIR

[solid frigate]

Miraidon is the Zacian of this gen lmao

[craggy dagger]

dusk mane #99 gives me hope-

[atomic mural]

Carbink

[real prairie]

Carbink being ahead of my girl is criminal

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown still hold up

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2359897318

Worth it

[real prairie]

Stupidly greedy with those calm minds

But GG

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-il-imbibitor-lunae-imbibitor-lunae-dhil-gif-14131620448711189449

hitting him with the 1 2 Water Spout

[spiral ridge]

Time to get a game vs iron moth as dusk mane lol

[near crag]

Yo

Check this out: https://pokepast.es/7267d7e54b10e728

I made kyurem black work (as much as possible)

[lofty tartan]

Whoops - forgot to register for the GC. Been busy working on a mod for a game when I haven't been working my job or getting my business going

This week has been a blur

[dense latch]

no gc weekend sounds like a blessing in disguise

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna finish my business plan and financial projections and see if I can get this mod cooking

I have weekends off so it'll probably be good for me

Just gotta get through tonight's shift

[cyan smelt]

i'm reading vgc guide and feel like the information isn't going in

[next stump]

which part?

[cyan smelt]

i'm reading the battling section

maybe it's because i'm skimming it

[next stump]

that’s probably it, if you want to really absorb it you need to take notes

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna do that, thanks

i'm feeling like i should maybe print it out and highlight stuff too

[next stump]

that’s a really good idea

[forest arrow]

Yeah I missed too, we’ll get into the next one

[bold geode]

https://x.com/Dollarmonke13/status/1920654615030218821?t=A_Vj2w1mgqL2p0kVVa7sFA&s=19

Dollarmonke (@Dollarmonke13) on X

I have something to confess......

I am using Solgaleo in the GC this weekend. Good luck to everyone. This is probably a big mistake but fuck it we ball, time to see if the lion can shine as bright as the sun.

X · May 9, 2025, 1:38 AM

@next stump quick question
You know what Raghav IGN is?

[next stump]

I don’t 😦

[bold geode]

If it's Ragi, then I just got cooked

Just checked, yeah I got cooked by fucking Raghav

[chrome knot]

tinkaton is going to 3 league cups,,,,

[next stump]

lets go

[chrome knot]

she is somehow goated

[bold geode]

I am now fighting That's a Plus One
Wtf is my day LMAO

I beat him let's go

[cyan smelt]

ok now that i printed out a couple of articles from vgc guide i feel like i'm absorbing it a bit better

[astral kelp]

guys

i was thinking
i have a wheezing team and im using roaring moon for tailwind

what if i use ability shield whimsycott instead

[lofty tartan]

All good. Mod is looking dope so far. Gonna be a cool class

[cyan smelt]

Why use weezing when your team needs their abilities

[astral kelp]

the rest of my team doesnt

[lofty tartan]

I just finished some of the class icons tonight. One for the main class and one for one of the subclasses

[astral kelp]

me having ability shield and wheezing GUARANTEES that opponent cant outspeed my prankster mon

or torn but i feel like torn kinda sucks lol

[bold geode]

I'm having fun chat

[cyan smelt]

How's solgaleo going?

[bold geode]

3-4 rn
I lost
Then I won
And I've just been repeating that cycle this whole time

[astral kelp]

also wheezing + whims means that they cant block priority unless they are a dark type

i just gotta know if this makes sense

[craggy dagger]

how does it feel

[astral kelp]

i dont think i can use screens that well so i guess it would be between fake tears or idk grass knot?

also helping hand stun spore or even cotten spore lol

what why is this brute bonnets most popular item

[cyan smelt]

Quick spore

[tiny karma]

Item: Quick Claw

Each turn, holder has a 20% chance to move first in its priority bracket.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

💀 thats so funny

20% is kinda okay i guess

this looks so troll

[astral kelp]

i kinda want to try a bulky chiyu

[cyan smelt]

ok this is cool, i decided to watch a battle to test what i've learnt and i managed to guess the leads for both teams

[bold geode]

8-7 for the first day
Some stuff was rough and I also fucked up a lot so

[craggy dagger]

thats still really good

[cyan smelt]

Ig all you can do is figure out why you lost, how you could have led better and how to improve for tomorrow

[lofty tartan]

👀

[astral kelp]

I LOVE FIGHTING SCARF KYOGRE

[lofty tartan]

Scarf Kyogre is a straight baller

[astral kelp]

its so funny when they get stuck on 1% health scarf lol

[lofty tartan]

Until they don't

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2360125223
lmfao i didnt actually think csr would outspeed hooh in tailwind

@real prairie
this you

[lofty tartan]

Ho-Oh needs some actual speed investment to outspeed Caly-S in TW, so if they don't invest he comes up short

[astral kelp]

do i even bring zama into this matchup hmm

i feel like whimsy is crazy here

can we talk abou thow good iron hands is

one thing tho i feel like most of the time im clicking drain punch with this team

and not low kick

im kinda considering running supercell slam
180+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 186-218 (89.8 - 105.3%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO
180+ Atk Iron Hands Supercell Slam vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 204-242 (98.5 - 116.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

i gotta just not be unlucky lol

[dense latch]

supercell slam is horrible

immunities/hitting into protect counts as a miss and you’ll take recoil

[astral kelp]

oh nevermind then wtf

i didnt know that

[cyan smelt]

What if I run urshifu single strike with iron head instead of sucker punch to deal with tera fairies

[astral kelp]

its a cook

[dense latch]

man they just refuse to give electric types a strong move

[astral kelp]

surging strikes kills csr anyways

[astral kelp]

specifically physical eletric types

volt switch is one of the best moves in the game imo

[dense latch]

o yea i forgot to specify physical

[acoustic zinc]

yo I'm new to competitive and I'm trying to make a team with inteleon anyone got tips?

[astral kelp]

180+ Atk Iron Hands Ice Punch vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Landorus: 204-244 (104.6 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO DUDE i should run ice punch

[dense latch]

special mons get everything

[astral kelp]

it hits a lot of things eletric doesnt hit

[dense latch]

i really don’t think that’s worth it

you could consider heavy slam over wild charge if you want different coverage

[astral kelp]

i got zamazenta bash anyways

im brining zenta 90% of the time

so with eletric fighting you hit
normal, rock, ice, steel, dark, water, flying
ice gives you
ground (which youre weak too), grass, and dragon

losing low kick for it is kind of a heavy price to pay with all the zentas running around tho

[dense latch]

nah dont drop low kick

[astral kelp]

the reason why im conisdering it is because my team is GIGGA WEAK to landerous

i legit have like no way of killing him

[dense latch]

lando isn’t super common anyways but i feel like you should look for other ways to cover for that weakness and not from hands

[astral kelp]

and 3 mons are weak to him with him being one of the only things that just kills weezer

also groudon

and actually amoongus too

[dense latch]

yea you just insta lose to ursa in tr

[astral kelp]

^^^

its pretty bad

[dense latch]

that feels like a team issue though not something one move can fix

[astral kelp]

yeah that is true

rn i just kinda tera water my hands and hope

ursaluna is a hard matchup huh im just thinking about it

[dense latch]

the teams that got popular from milwaukee were built considering csr zama as public enemy #1 so matchups are gonna get hard

especially with the shared weaknesses

i honestly don’t see how weezing helps your team

[astral kelp]

this is the real team

wheezing is anti tailwind

[dense latch]

i’d also maybe consider torn as a tw setter for the typing

[astral kelp]

and anti whatever else they have

[dense latch]

pairs better with csr zama

[astral kelp]

the idea is
moon outspeeds tornados and whimsycott, then wheezing outspeeds both of them in tailwind so i can get a free taunt

i was considering ability shield whimsy or torn tho lol

[astral kelp]

why is that btw?

[acoustic zinc]

anyone got any good teams for a sniper inteleon