#competitive_discussion

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astral kelp
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my set did something at least KEKW

rustic mountain
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id say his objectively did more then urs

astral kelp
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i guess the idea is just to spam floral healing

astral kelp
rustic mountain
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jus cuz it looks weird doesnt mean it didnt have its use

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esm is known for wacky teams but he pilots them well

shadow wind
astral kelp
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yea i was looking at its stuff looks awesome

shadow wind
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Thank you Zacian

astral kelp
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pure raw tech

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the swords dance rhydon

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and i fully get it too

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 112: Rhydon
Types

Ground/Rock

Abilities

Lightning Rod, Rock Head, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/130/120/45/45/40

Total

485

astral kelp
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like an anti csr im guessing

shadow wind
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What

rustic mountain
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anti mirai

astral kelp
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and mirai

cyan smelt
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7-1 so far on new alt

astral kelp
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but underspeeding csr with rock slide is good too right

rustic mountain
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?

shadow wind
cyan smelt
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bo1 i'm testing it in bo1 first

shadow wind
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Fair

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After Zacian missed 2 Play roughs in a row and somehow winning I clutched the game 3

rustic mountain
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conner if its not bo3: aPES2_Crazy

shadow wind
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Bo1 gives me brainrot

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Too easy to boot up another game

cyan smelt
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yeah covert cloak volcarona was fun

shadow wind
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And also I missed 2 play roughs and then got to win

astral kelp
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+2 252+ Atk Rhydon Rock Slide vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 150-176 (72.8 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO ehhhh

shadow wind
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You don't get that in Bo1

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You miss 2 play roughs just quit playing in Bo1

astral kelp
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bo1 is nice cuz you can just insta requeue and play a bunch of different teams and interactions

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also you dont have to like play through up to 3 matches lol

cyan smelt
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8-1 now

strange fjord
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where the bo1 ots ladder smh

astral kelp
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REAL THO

shadow wind
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OTS is just half the knowledge though

astral kelp
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its more like an anti bullshit filter lol

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yk it woul be nice if you got to like plan your matches out with opp team sheet like well before match started

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in tournaments

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but ig that would taketoo long

cyan smelt
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9-1, and i'm barely using jumpluff

lofty tartan
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Yeah that's one of the logistical problems with that idea. Because you'd have to set a time limit and extend the tournament by that limit multiplied by number of matches

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It would be exponentially longer

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Plus, enough time with a team sheet may enable you to crack it and part of the skill is adapting to information on the fly

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You have opp's team sheet for the duration of the round and can take notes. So that's all fine

cyan smelt
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9-2 now

astral kelp
cyan smelt
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3 Ls now

astral kelp
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oh lord

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the tilt spiral

cyan smelt
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4 Ls

astral kelp
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stop while you still can bang_cry

cyan smelt
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5Ls ig this team ain't working

astral kelp
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its just tilt bro dont give up

strange fjord
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when starting a losing streak, take a break to clear your mind

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otherwise, you might start to see that streak get bigger

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mindset is a huge part of battling.

cyan smelt
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why am i losing so much, i'm not gonna use jumpluff anymore

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6Ls goddamn i thought this team was good

strange fjord
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Take a moment to see why you lost. What could you have done differently. Maybe different leads? Different moves?

cyan smelt
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i thought calyrex got shown up at milwaukee

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could have targeted caly shadow with urshifu

shadow wind
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WE LOVE LOSING

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Tilt climbs are so real 😔

cyan smelt
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both times i led lunala when i should have led urshifu against caly s

shadow wind
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Leading isn't your fault

astral kelp
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its pretty much rng yeah

shadow wind
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Like honestly leading is the most out of your control aspect

astral kelp
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thats kinda the problem with my team rn like if they lead their tailwind setter it pretty much insta wins if i lead roaring moon and wheezing
but if i lead anything else i INSTA lose lol

cyan smelt
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yay i won one

astral kelp
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whats the team btw?

shadow wind
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Goat

cyan smelt
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groudon, lunala, bolt, urshifu dark, firepon, jumpluff

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won another

true sinew
lofty tartan
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Losing on ladder isn't just the team not working. A lot of factors go into that and everyone seems to forget they're also playing against another living, thinking human being

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You can play perfectly and still lose

cyan smelt
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i've won 3 in a row now so it's just teething problems ig

lofty tartan
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You can't win every game. Some of the best players in multiple competitive fields hover around a 65% to 75% win rate

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Currently stretching my brain thin at work. I'm building a class mod for Baldur's Gate 3

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Between that and VGC I am doing way too much thinking lately.

cyan smelt
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lost again

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and again

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too many losses with this team

astral kelp
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even like the best case scenario with that start

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i shouldve saved tera for zama

cyan smelt
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damn just lost to psyspam, feels bad

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lost to dozo, man

lofty tartan
cyan smelt
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lost again

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i don't think this team is any good

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just lost to grass tera caly shadow

lofty tartan
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Seems fine

cyan smelt
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they got a double protect, i'm fucking tilted

real prairie
lofty tartan
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The rise of Lando

cyan smelt
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somehow doesn't seem like it

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too much calyrex on ladder and i keep losing to it

real prairie
cyan smelt
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maybe bo1 is inaccurate

real prairie
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even back for B'ham, i was terrified of Zama's and only faced the one with it being quite low in the restricted #s

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it was all over ladder

real prairie
cyan smelt
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just lost to tr terapagos with lunar blessing cresselia

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now lost to tr dialga with kyogre and ursaluna man this team sucks

astral kelp
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hey dialga is underrated

cyan smelt
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dialga sucks

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this team sucks

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3 in a row lost

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man raging bolt is clutch

mighty stump
cyan smelt
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i keep losing

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that's why i'm reacting this way

mighty stump
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Do you genuinely believe just calling your team ass and then not really thinking about why the losses occurred is productive cause this is more of an emotional tantrum than anything

cyan smelt
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ok maybe but it's still upsetting, i was losing way less than with the other team

real prairie
mighty stump
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Stop playing if you're getting upset

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What's the point

real prairie
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forcing myself to play 40 games of Fifa over 2 days for something called "weekend league" and getting tilted at each loss, memories!

cyan smelt
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i forgot that moongeist beam ignores sturdy

lofty tartan
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People often lose sight of the fact that they're not the only factor in control of a game

real prairie
cyan smelt
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Yeah it functions like mold breaker

astral kelp
cyan smelt
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I feel like people know what to expect from jumpluff

solid frigate
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i mean duh

It got good results

cyan smelt
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My team struggles against hard tr

solid frigate
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so i am just making edits which is pretty limited cuz Mirai Ogre

lean falcon
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Hey guys, someone has an idea about the ev spread from the Milwaukee regional winning team with miraidon + lunala?

next stump
cyan smelt
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i need to take a chill pill when i'm losing

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power herb lunala feels kinda mid

left bobcat
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GASP

languid ocean
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moongeist beam ignores unaware too btw

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so if you have a MU with dozo just click that instead

cyan smelt
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good to know ty

solid frigate
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it ignores everything cuz its super Mold Breaker

real prairie
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My team coming to TGC pocket

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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lost to tera fire zamazenta

cyan smelt
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now i lost to fucking tera water incineroar

lone mural
cyan smelt
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my team does suck though

lone mural
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Hard sun seems difficult to pilot when you're weather countered or locked out of it

cyan smelt
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it's not even that

lone mural
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Whats up with it?

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It didn't seem that bad tbh

cyan smelt
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idk why but i'm just massively struggling with bo1 rn, welcome btw

lone mural
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Cheers yay

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Thank you for the knowledge about Scarf ursh and sash caly

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I'm feeling better about this now

cyan smelt
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your team is solid

lone mural
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I can't believe adamant scarf ursh outspeeds max speed caly

lone mural
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I'm thinking of doubling my flutter as a trick room counter

chrome knot
lone mural
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Oh fr

chrome knot
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mhmm

cyan smelt
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is it to stop burn

chrome knot
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water incin?

lone mural
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How does that work? Water incin wouldn't be burn immune would it

chrome knot
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is what i was replying to but, its usually paired with rocky helmet to make ursh eat like 6 rocky helmet sets of chip

lone mural
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Oh so true actually

chrome knot
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personally atm im big fan of tera bug incin

lone mural
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Whats that for?

chrome knot
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fight & ground resist

solid frigate
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like one of the more reasonable tera for Incin

lone mural
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I'm just too used to tera ghost I forget people run anything else

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Showdown ladder brainrot

chrome knot
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🫡

cyan smelt
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bo1 ladder is brainrot, like how common is tera fire brute bonnet

lone mural
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What does brute bonnet even do

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It's just. Weird lol

atomic mural
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Better matchup into csr and has better bulk than amoongus

cyan smelt
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i hate cts

atomic mural
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Yo same

chrome knot
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play bo3

lone mural
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Hey I'm looking for some input on this flutter set. I've been running a booster speed icy wind flutter for a while and I like it but I wanna improve my trick room matchup so I wanna run either trick room or tr+imprison on it but I'm not sure what to do about my offensive moves.

If I run TR I can keep moonblast shadow ball but if I run imprison I'm gonna have to sacrifice one of them. At the same time I'm questioning if I should keep icy wind either way because speed control is less of an issue

cyan smelt
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i don't think my team is very good

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if you're gonna run imprison use a different mon tbh, flutter is too frail

lone mural
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Yeaaa I'd have to drop protect I guess so it'd make survival hard

cyan smelt
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use sash flutter

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oh wait you've got caly shadow

languid ocean
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wouldn't taunting the tr mon be the better solution

cyan smelt
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they usually have redirection, best thing to do is run spread

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just ran into a solar blade dgleam overheat miraidon wtf

solid frigate
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what Elo?

cyan smelt
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this person was 1400s

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solar beam rather

solid frigate
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not suprising

cyan smelt
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koraidon and miraidon

solid frigate
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i guess singles players got into the VGC and uses Solar Beam Miraidon in there lmao

cyan smelt
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miraidon should never have overheat

chrome knot
lone mural
lone mural
cyan smelt
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also, not sure, is it a good idea to run both flutter and caly shadow?

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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i'm sorry but overheat solar beam miraidon is wack

solid frigate
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its CTS bullshit and don't care too much

cyan smelt
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i won anyway

solid frigate
lone mural
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Maybe imprison tr farig?

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I wish farig got taunt man...

solid frigate
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just have a TR mode and you are fine for the team

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cuz my team is HO but i still have TR mode against TR teams

lone mural
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My team wouldn't really function in trick room

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I don't really like running mix room either

solid frigate
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CSR what btw

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like CSR+who

lone mural
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Oh CSR Zama

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Most original team of the year

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I wanna test scarf ursh and sash csr

chrome knot
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what is grass for

solid frigate
# lone mural Oh CSR Zama

mmmmm TR mode can work with it ig-

Or just run Clefairy After you with CSR to ensure you get first prio even in TR

lone mural
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Also helps against water teams mainly kyogre but I haven't really needed it much for that matchup

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Plus ice beam exists so thats a bit of a moot point

chrome knot
lone mural
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What would you say I run?

chrome knot
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that and u cant tera out of koraidon

lone mural
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Dragon?

solid frigate
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basically Body Press it

chrome knot
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dragon or ghost

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csr zam w/ ghost zam is the only variant that gave me trouble at milwaukee tbh

lone mural
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What does ghost zama do?

solid frigate
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ignore fake out and stops Koraidon from Killing you

lone mural
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Oh yea for fighting immunity and fire neutral

chrome knot
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facade immunity that isn’t weak to ground✨

lone mural
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I love TR ursa

solid frigate
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Emma look i found a Galarian Rowlet

lone mural
chrome knot
cyan smelt
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i need to look at why i'm losing and make adjustments

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i kinda want to try screens groudon

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tomorrow i'm gonna reread vgc guide to see if i can finally understand it

plain drum
knotty mirage
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I have questions can non AV groudon with max spdef survive choice spec modest draco meteor from miraidon ? just want to know before i learn it the hard way

lone mural
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Best way to find that out would be to calc it

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 8 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 129-153 (73.2 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

cyan smelt
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annoyed i lost to tera dark covert cloak caly shadow earlier

lone mural
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Ignore the 8 hp I just misinput it but yea it'd barely survive

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If you need to live just one hit then sure

lone mural
cyan smelt
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nope

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bummed that i lost to it though

knotty mirage
lone mural
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Oh

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No it can't

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Guaranteed okho

knotty mirage
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Ah alright then good too know i guess i don't need to worry much if i go against groudon and bring out miraidon

lone mural
knotty mirage
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Noted

lone mural
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I like this one cause it lets you save calcs and it's got a lot of in depth nobs you can tweak

knotty mirage
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So with this i just need too check if my openent groudon have AV or not intimidate should be good way too know

cyan smelt
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i love raging bolt

lone mural
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MY BOY

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I love using Raging bolt so much

cyan smelt
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so ridiculously tanky

lone mural
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RAAAAAAH (Raging Bolt) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 244 HP / 68 Def / 100 SpA / 84 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Thunderclap
  • Calm Mind
  • Draco Meteor
  • Protect
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My baby

cyan smelt
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AV is probably better on bolt, it can survive most things with AV

lone mural
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I like calm mind bolt a lot

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It's fun. This thing can get away with an unreasonable amount. It's so tanky and outputs so much damage

bold geode
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CM Bolt is a lot more insufficient rn

lone mural
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Really?

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This was a reg g spread I made. I'm not using it anymore I just really liked this spread

chrome knot
lone mural
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My boy I love my long neck friend

bold geode
chrome knot
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unsure ive yet to use it this reg

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itll come across my builder some day

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for now im csr gaming

bold geode
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Ma'am
Zam CSR kinda ass

lone mural
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nuh uh thats my ride or die right there (is it actually)

chrome knot
bold geode
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I tried it
Feels awful

lone mural
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It feels strong from my experience

bold geode
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It's probably fine

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But you probably gonna have to work more imo

lone mural
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Zama is really strong to live a lot and output damage and csr is csr. It kinda just feels like two good things together

chrome knot
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look dm mink e

bold geode
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Yeah well a lot of people have prepped for that duo so
It does not feel too great when a lot of teams can just oof

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@chrome knot me hungy, what eat

chrome knot
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pizza

cyan smelt
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I have no idea what to run now

chrome knot
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pizza?

cyan smelt
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Wish I could have pizza rn

bold geode
# chrome knot pizza

Lol that don't sound bad
But I got another idea
I go get crossaint sandwich
From family owned business

chrome knot
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oooooooo

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only if u also get me one wtffff

bold geode
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Let's go yay

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Hop in my car
That may or may not have a Grookey
That a girl at my Dutch Bro's said looked like the Duolingo owl

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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How did it boost so much

cyan smelt
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Quiver dance ig

lone mural
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That do be what it do

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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Don't think I'll go to Melbourne, I'm really struggling atm

lone mural
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Sit on it for a day

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The tilt will fade and you'll be able to think a bit clearer

cyan smelt
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Well I'm definitely scrapping that team but then I need to read vgc guide and try and understand how to build a solid team

lone mural
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Is this your first time going to any kind of event?

cyan smelt
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No I went to Brisbane but I'm not feeling confident at all, the meta seems really difficult atm

lone mural
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Honestly yea,,,

cyan smelt
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Any team I build struggles with either tr or tailwind and idk how to fix it

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And miraidon just Dracos Groudon whenever I send it out

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Maybe I'll feel better after sleeping

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I'm upset about losing to covert cloak calyrex shadow which is an item that basically nobody runs

lone mural
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Honestly thats just. The ladder special

cyan smelt
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I think I need sleep and I'll feel better when I wake up

lone mural
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I'm very casual about vgc and I'm just looking to have fun and learn. I'm very much so anticipating there to be a lot more normalised strategies at melb

cyan smelt
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Yeah from my experience at Brisbane there were a lot of proven teams

lone mural
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I just tried bo3 ladder for the first time because uh

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I've been doing a lot of bo1

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And no one on there likes ots

cyan smelt
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I'll go back to the drawing board and try bo3 again

lone mural
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Try bo3 because if forces ots (I think) and also because it's easier to make adjustments

cyan smelt
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Yeah it's forced ots

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But for now I sleep

lone mural
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I'll have to practice there more idk why I've been so adamant about bo1

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Have a good sleep, I hope you feel refreshed tomorrow

cyan smelt
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Ty good luck with your testing

lone mural
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Thanks!

bold geode
solid frigate
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only edited Kyogre into Meta and not Meta+ cuz it got gutted so hard

dense latch
solid frigate
bold geode
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So
Let em

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Groudon ain't meta

atomic mural
bold geode
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It was Vijay Sood, shit don't count

foggy lodge
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Rental team

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Joey said tera ghost treads also works but in my experience yeah tera ground goes crazy too

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And as personal recomendation use ice beam on bundle instead of freeze dry its way batter

heady onyx
bold geode
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What are you saying?

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It's slower Sun setter so like
There's that but I don't think that redeems it

dense latch
bold geode
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It's still definitely not meta

dense latch
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groudon’s kinda the epitome of awkward speed mons

foggy lodge
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Eh it works in tr modes

bold geode
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Hell I'd say Ho Oh is meta too

foggy lodge
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Ho-Oh is meta

dense latch
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yeah

bold geode
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Yeah but like
You'd run your TR mode

foggy lodge
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This is my tier list

bold geode
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I'm gonna say what no one else will
Lunala over CSR until proven otherwise

foggy lodge
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That could perfectly happen

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Also most Koraidon teams are using Lunala over CSR

bold geode
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Oh CSR could prove otherwise
But rn
Lunala imo is dominating way more than CSR

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I do respect you though
For putting Rayquaza where he belongs

dense latch
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if we look at reg i only with no reg g context lunala >>>

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yea there’s only been one regional but it’s true nonetheless

bold geode
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Anyways back to what I was saying
Groudon is slower so TR is not as bad for it, but as a "MU inverter" or whatever
I wouldn't say that cuz most the stuff you're going against in terms of TR MUs will be slower than Groudon so it's mainly you using TR yourself for money faster than Groudon

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And it is definitely not meta

heady onyx
bold geode
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Groudon would be low anti meta if we're generous imo
Then again it's a tierlist so
There are opinions to it

dense latch
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what’s your point

heady onyx
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my point was in the statement you answered huh to

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feel free to reread it 🙂

dense latch
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as in how is groudon a tr mu inverter

heady onyx
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what do you not understand ? the point is there

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its very simple no ?

bold geode
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?

foggy lodge
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It means explain it

bold geode
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You didn't even explain it sir

dense latch
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this is very shitty ragebait

heady onyx
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you could have asked me to explain it instead of just answering huh

bold geode
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They did?

heady onyx
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words can be used to communicate, we aint sutck in the caveman period bud

dense latch
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monke also asked you to explain it before

bold geode
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Ok we don't need to throw out insults

dense latch
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which makes it kinda redundant for me to say it again

heady onyx
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Groudon inverts trick room matchup if build around that idea

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That's it

bold geode
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How does it do that though is my question

heady onyx
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Are you familiar with trick room ?

bold geode
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Yes I know what TR does

heady onyx
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not what TR does

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familiar with VGC TR stratr

bold geode
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And I know that most things that work with TR are slower than Groudon so

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Yes I am

heady onyx
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so if you are so called familiar, what is it you do not get ?

dense latch
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groudon is not gonna help against caly ices or ursalunas under TR

bold geode
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Thing is if you're getting outsped by all these things, how is it even a "MU inverter"

heady onyx
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yeah you are not familiar with such matchups

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its a shame you are labeled as competitive helper, you'd expect more knowledge

foggy lodge
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156+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 188 HP / 92 Def Groudon: 102-120 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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what😭😭😭

bold geode
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Well you aren't explaining shit, you're just telling me idk what I'm talking about
And we're asking for an explanation

heady onyx
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i am disengaging from your toxic attitude, dont need that in my life

dense latch
bold geode
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Ok, cool, have a good life

dense latch
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lol

solid frigate
bold geode
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Don't engage guys

heady onyx
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but tofu isnt toxic normally

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are all competitive helpers just amateurs that have been on server for a while like dollarmonke ?

foggy lodge
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ngl dude post elo

bold geode
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Brother
The insults are unnecessary

foggy lodge
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lmao

heady onyx
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cause dollarmonke is not a name I know

atomic mural
bold geode
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No
Are you?

solid frigate
bold geode
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Idk why you have to bring that up

heady onyx
twin falcon
solid frigate
heady onyx
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if people would be a bit nicer would help

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i say one comment and people lose their shit

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section should be chill and welcoming

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not antagonize peeps

foggy lodge
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that's the type of thing someone would say after spitting nonsense ngl

solid frigate
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@atomic mural @foggy lodge Let the mods do their jobs I'm having a snack

foggy lodge
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okay

atomic mural
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👍

solid frigate
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anyways Delaying the Mirai Ogre rental cuz big changes gonna show

heady onyx
heady onyx
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i like using groudon in trick room

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so what

bold geode
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See here's my question

heady onyx
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shouldnt start a war

bold geode
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And this is just me

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Do you have your own TR button?

heady onyx
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i am disengaging from your toxic attitude in specific

bold geode
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I'm asking a genuine question

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I'm not tryna be toxic

heady onyx
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shoulda asked it 1st

bold geode
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I'm tryna engage in a competitive discussion

bold geode
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Which is this channel

heady onyx
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so why all the drama ?

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i always said Groundon is my TR matchup inverter

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if you are familiar about speed control

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middle speed tier is good on heavy speed control team

bold geode
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Ok
I just said my opinion which is that I think it's better if you have your own TR button as other TR teams will have slower mons
And I was tryna ask you why you had your side of the argument, which is what I just got
Thank you for that

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This is what I wanted
To converse about our opinions on the matter

heady onyx
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yes and you invert matchup into slower TR teams

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but you didnt get how TR inverting works ?

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if you use the move Trick Room while Trick Room is active, it stops working

bold geode
#

I don't get how Groudon inverts that against slower Pokemon
That is unless you're using another Pokemon to reverse TR

heady onyx
#

Thats why i ask if you were familiar with trick room, you werent familiar with the inverting mechanic

bold geode
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Oh I was with that

heady onyx
#

Now that makes more sense

bold geode
#

I just didn't see how Groudon himself does that

heady onyx
#

You think I bring only 1 Mon to a VGC battle ?!?!

bold geode
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No

heady onyx
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So think outside the box a bit

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and figure out Groudon with a team built around

bold geode
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I'm just saying the way the statement was, it sorta looked like that which is why I was confused and asked for reasoning

lean ridge
#

Read somewhere but just wanted to confirm, if I have a 1 speed IV on my calyrex will it still speed tie other calyrex with 0 speed iv

bold geode
#

Basically yeah
1 IV is basically 0 IV

lean ridge
#

Bet ty GengHeart

bold geode
#

Sure
Though for future reference if you're ever unsure, you can just use the Showdown teambuilder and change the IVs/EVs of stuff to compare

solid frigate
#

if you want to you can also use Damage Calculator to mess with the EVs first before doing battles @lean ridge

lean ridge
#

Yea I’ve played around with some of those specifically just to try and survive specs miraidon edrifts 😭 it’s definitely a useful tool

bold geode
lean ridge
#

Yep 😭

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

silly lizard goes spinnnnnnn and turns into a battery nuke

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

since im not in that server anymore i havent kept up with your mirai ogre progress at all but good shit dude id love to hear about it

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

.-.

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like a shielder like clef..?

solid frigate
#

Grimmsnarl

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the screens-

spiral ridge
#

grimm kyo is great together so yeah

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aven means people take no hp damage so i thought you meant hard redirect loo
screens also makes lotta sense

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

if someone talks there im good, if not id more than love to

solid frigate
merry summit
#

my goat is @chrome knot

spiral ridge
#

real

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dillon and emma top vgc goats

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she snoozing rn i think so she can come try and refute this later

plain drum
solid frigate
spiral ridge
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she would snore like that

lofty tartan
#

O.o

chrome knot
tribal isle
#

I want to build a Team for my First (And possibly Last) Ranked Season using some of my favs while also competively trained. Any thoughts on what I have so far?
https://pokepast.es/2a113ffa2f40e7c4

solid frigate
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i'm slightly bit concern-

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of the team comp

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what is your gameplan @tribal isle

tribal isle
#

Starts with Gal setting up Sticky and Light

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And really depends on Enemy Comp

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I've done Showdown before with good teams

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But I feel like I wanna try something different

solid frigate
#

i rather you go for Grimmsnarl since Entry Hazards are so niche that it does not work well

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and it has both screens

tribal isle
#

K

solid frigate
#

also Wait

Anything goes?

Are you doing BSS or VGC-

tribal isle
#

I've never done Ranked in Violet ever before.

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Either Shiny Hunting or playing Competitive on Showdown

solid frigate
#

BSS is singles

VGC is Doubles

tribal isle
#

BSS

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Doubles seem risky

solid frigate
#

even in singles standards your team is in a tightpole position-

chrome knot
#

whats the naic call

lean ridge
#

Reg I singles must be interesting

solid frigate
tribal isle
#

Any options I could use?

dense latch
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mirai good

tribal isle
#

Anything else but Mirai

solid frigate
#

why.

dense latch
#

i meant for the naic call

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but mirai good in singles too

tribal isle
#

I'm gonna use it, but if it seems my team is a bit weak

solid frigate
lean ridge
#

u could set up the web then sweep with specs mirai prob

tribal isle
#

Any changes to my current team?

solid frigate
tribal isle
#

I really want to use Clawitzer so badly.

tribal isle
dense latch
#

hydreigon feels very underpowered for the format

solid frigate
#

if you are using Mirai Dusk Mane then i think Moxie Boosted has a Team for that in doubles anyway

dense latch
#

so does necrozma dusk mane

solid frigate
#

Solgaleo doesn't even have a Physical Set up move lmao

dense latch
#

tera electric tera blast chien pao being the most common set for it in singles is so funny to me

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singles likes its boltbeam

solid frigate
dense latch
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what u cooking

#

still on mirai kyogre?

solid frigate
#

and all it took is to throw away the trick room mode

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and make sure Kyogre is still slower than Lunala in TR

dense latch
#

what core/team of six are u working with rn

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mirai ogre seems fun i imagine you’ve made further changes post milwaukee

solid frigate
lofty tartan
chrome knot
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ears are plugged

tribal isle
#

Ok I've been thinking

solid frigate
lofty tartan
#

Sorry, I'm like neck deep in trying to figure out building this mod. magisweat

dense latch
#

im trying out dillon’s team rn on showdown

lofty tartan
tribal isle
#

I'll go with Dusk Mane + Mirai

dense latch
#

i have most of the team built on cart already bc i was using dillon’s six but valiant over rockpon

tribal isle
#

And I have no idea for others

tribal isle
#

How's Ribombee?

lofty tartan
#

It is... a learning experience, for sure.

foggy lodge
#

I've been playing Pokeaim's team

solid frigate
#

good luck

foggy lodge
#

I like the team but yesterday I ranted about losing to a Rhydon lmao

solid frigate
#

LMAO

lofty tartan
#

Not so much luck as having to learn Osiris scripting and a whole new piece of software.

foggy lodge
#

I genuinely get bullied by Rhydon with that team

dense latch
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rhydon ):<

foggy lodge
#

They clicked tera fairy swords dance with rhydon and tr with CIR and I clicked forfeit

solid frigate
#

technically my team should wash Rhydon

Ha get it

exotic grotto
foggy lodge
#

Me

exotic grotto
#

Thanks!

dense latch
lofty tartan
#

Just play Metronome - that's as good as forfeit

foggy lodge
dense latch
#

metronome battles on showdown are fun

solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

True

lofty tartan
solid frigate
dense latch
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it takes like 15 minutes to find a game but it’s worth jt

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until your pokemon explodes in front of two ghost types

solid frigate
#

thats why i like Tera Ghost lol

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in Metronome battles

tribal isle
#

I'm starting to think my team won't go as good.

solid frigate
#

your team really needs an Overhaul singles or doubles

Clawitzer can stay but you have to know that it does not do as much as Urshifu

tribal isle
#

What are some good set up mons

#

At this point Teambuilding is giving me a headache

solid frigate
#

this is why u never jump straight into teambuilding

tribal isle
#

Don't know how it old was.

astral kelp
#

not really lol

tribal isle
#

Pretty sure it was before Indigo Disk released.

solid frigate
#

nowhere good

lean ridge
#

i feel like with reg I the pool of viable mons has dropped significantly, not sure if thats actually the case though

solid frigate
#

it opens some mon to be stronger in double res like Ho-Oh and Brute Bonnet who has been picking up during late reg G

#

but rn the meta counter play is to deal as much damage as fast as possible

strange fjord
#

ho-oh wasnt really ran as much as it is now. good double restricted. groudon too. because these pokemon dont need to be the centerpiece of the team, it can be added to more teams

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cause before it was match up dependant on which restricted you used in reg g

bold geode
#

One of the guys I met in another server every now and then makes a singles rental that's just Metronome

bold geode
#

Me AF

solid frigate
#

so tru

strange fjord
#

Munchlax learns metronome MunchMunch

bold geode
#

Mr Tree worry

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

I saw the Warriors won the series

rustic mountain
#

where hav u been

bold geode
#

You think that's gonna be enough for them to keep Jimmy Butler for say.....
Another month KekHands

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

yes mariokekhandslike

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pacers up 2-0 on cavs

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nuggets up 1-0 on thunder

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knicks up 1-0 on celtics

bold geode
#

OH DAMN I BEEN SLEEPING LIKE A MFER

rustic mountain
#

genuinely

bold geode
#

Wait
Nuggets up on Thunder?

rustic mountain
#

u missed some good games

rustic mountain
#

so yes

bold geode
#

Oh I was finna say ain't no way that wasn't close

rustic mountain
#

oh yea super close

#

jokic a casual 42 and 22

bold geode
#

Actually it's funny
Thunder actually have a fair shot this playoffs LMAO

rustic mountain
#

?

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

they r the favs

bold geode
#

I mean yeah
But remember years ago when they started rebuilding or whatever

rustic mountain
#

if voter fatigue didnt exist he deserves another mvp this year

rustic mountain
#

they been #1 in the west b2b years now

bold geode
#

Right I know
And the rebuild paid off like a mfer

rustic mountain
#

yea

#

that paul george trade aged like milk

bold geode
#

Yeah
Did the 76ers do anything with the guy speaking of PG13 or

rustic mountain
#

idk

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i wouldnt extend him

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hes washed

bold geode
#

Ummmmmm
Just looked it up
24-58
Idk brother KekCry

rustic mountain
#

it sucks

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cuz embiid is generational

#

he just cant sustain

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id play him like 50 games tops for a szn

bold geode
#

Oh yeah isn't Embiid one of the guys that can't stay healthy

rustic mountain
#

nd hope thats enough

bold geode
#

Or am I thinking of someone else

rustic mountain
#

embiid cant stay healthy yea

#

not as bad as like a greg oden

bold geode
#

Ok sorry my knowledge is a little rusty there

rustic mountain
#

but similar to like a bynum but obviously more talented

bold geode
#

Ooh yeah Greg Oden was bad

rustic mountain
#

and he was another extremely good player wen he could play

#

but like he had such limited chances before his body just broke down

bold geode
#

But yeah no Embiid mmm
Weird though with 76ers cuz like then again yeah PG kinda washed
Embiid has those problems so that just leaves Maxey

rustic mountain
#

realistically u let george walk

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hope to shore up depth weaknesses with the salary opened up

bold geode
#

Yeah but he's got like what
3-4 years left on his contract?

rustic mountain
#

and rest embiid enough in the regular season

bold geode
#

And that was a fat fuckin contract

#

They pulled a Bradley Beal on that shit

rustic mountain
#

yea they are fucked

solid frigate
#

i feel like i'm too young to watch Sports event and actuaally discuss it throughly lol

rustic mountain
#

i misremembered i thought he was an expiring contract

rustic mountain
#

or atleast keep up with it

solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

also for me like

#

i played basketball so

#

def makes it easier in that regard to know wats happening

solid frigate
#

i used to play basketball but i need to focus on my academic stuff so i quit that

#

during like what 10

#

and i am not too much of a sports guy now

rustic mountain
#

its also something u have to enjoy too

#

otherwise why would u care

solid frigate
#

its kinda like watching Regionals i belive

bold geode
solid frigate
#

or like my younger brother who watches almost all Manchester City Football matches

bold geode
#

Either 4 or 5 years I don't remember exactly

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

I also don't remember
Hell might have to look it up, he might also have a no trade clause

rustic mountain
#

76ers are fucked

bold geode
#

Y'know what's fucked
Isn't Embiid's contract still low as balls

dense latch
#

not like they’re much better but it could be worse i guess

chrome knot
#

first try so u know shes just goated GiggleHehe

rustic mountain
dense latch
rustic mountain
#

76ers have atleast like maxey and shit

dense latch
#

unless you’re talking about him

dense latch
#

would’ve been roty most likely

bold geode
dense latch
#

o wait i think lebron has one

#

yea

#

but it’s not like lebron is getting traded at this point in his career

bold geode
#

Yeah at first I was surprised that peeps like LeBron or Curry might not have one but it's kinda like a given on them LOL

dense latch
#

as a heat fan im glad we didnt trade for beal that one offseason

#

that would’ve cooked the roster for a while

astral kelp
#

i just thought of something

#

mirai kyogre power herb archaladon will do like a billion damage no

lofty tartan
#

My brain is fried from all that today. Now I'm at work

#

I hate mental exhaustion. It's like a ton of static up there right now. Just too much information for a 24 hour period D:

astral kelp
#

just sleep ez strat

rustic mountain
#

so it is essentially code itself

#

ontop of the fact its actual code being part of a video game

cyan smelt
#

now that i'm actually sitting down to study the meta rather than complaining about surprises, i feel better about things

astral kelp
#

what if they made it so precipice blades couldnt miss in sun

#

that seems fair

cyan smelt
#

give groudon a physical 100% accurate ground move that's based on hp like kyogre has

rustic mountain
#

yea

#

they wont

chrome knot
#

quick what would u call it

cyan smelt
#

Balancing

verbal night
#

the mirai/lunala core is looking more tempting by the day

cyan smelt
#

It sure is

lofty tartan
lofty tartan
#

But it has definitely left my head burnt the hell out.

lone mural
#

Hey uhm. Does anyone have any advice for dealing with lunala trick room

#

Because I get fucking rocked by lunala

#

I get so rocked by lunala and I don't know what to do with that thing

#

I'm thinking taunt booster speed flutter

strange fjord
#

What's the team you're working with?

lone mural
cyan smelt
#

Is it just lunala specifically? You can snarl it

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Oh you don't have snarl

lone mural
#

hahaa

#

yea

cyan smelt
#

How about tera normal imprison flutter

lone mural
#

Ehhhhh I don't really wanna run imprison flutter

strange fjord
#

Amoongus might help. They wouldn't want to set up TR for the shroom

lone mural
#

it's moreso like. I have to deal with trick room and then also I have to deal with killing it and I have no good answer to kill it honestly

#

Like I have no good way to safely kill lunala

lone mural
strange fjord
#

Lunala isnt really a Pokemon that can he handled with in 1 turn. Its Shadow Shield makes sure of that

#

Pollen Puff your restricted

#

spore the world~

cyan smelt
#

Redirect attacks

strange fjord
#

and that

lone mural
cyan smelt
#

Sludge bomb tera fairies

lone mural
#

Because ogerpon isn't really doing tooooooo too much here

cyan smelt
#

And you can switch it out to regain hp

lone mural
#

She's kinda just here for moral support and to round out the team

strange fjord
#

Shadow Rider can pressure with astral barrage. if you want your Pokemon to do things in TR, you could also try Friend Guard Clefairy

strange fjord
#

It forces Wide Guard or Tera

lone mural
#

You would think astral barrage goes dummy but then I get hit with the wide guard mind game

strange fjord
#

Wide Guard means Lunala is playing passive

#

not doing anything

lone mural
#

Hrmmmm,,,,

strange fjord
#

Tera means they wasted any other surprise tera they could do later

lone mural
#

I suppose but I really don't like that level of mind games

strange fjord
#

Nasty Plot would really put pressure on them with CSR. Even if they set TR, moongus can pressure spore or Clefairy can After You the CSR. Both can redirect as well

lone mural
#

I'll probably roll with amoonguss in that case

#

Spore is a moot point with miraidon lunala though

strange fjord
#

Both Clef and sus can heal CSR too

#

the shroom would likely be stuck on redirection unless your monke switches terrains

lone mural
#

Also I'm gonna be honest I'm switching back to tera grass zama

#

I love tera grass zama it reverses a good amount of relevant weaknesses and makes it such a good miraidon counter

cyan smelt
#

Then there's a lot of fire weaknesses on your team and I expect volcarona to pick up

lone mural
#

I'm also just so used to pilotting that

lone mural
#

I have ursh for that but it doesn't feel fool proof

cyan smelt
#

Dillon's volcarona was tera dragon

strange fjord
#

Remember that we're not top players either, we can offer advice but dont let us control the entirety of your teambuilding. You should do what you think is best

lone mural
#

Cheers :)

#

Someone here mentioned tera ghost zama last night but I just. Don't like it

cyan smelt
#

Yep always best to go with your gut

lone mural
#

Tera grass is what I'm used to pilotting and feels good so I'll roll with that yea

#

I think I'll test amoonguss over ogerpon

#

But I still don't know what to do about my 6th

cyan smelt
#

Farigiraf?

lone mural
#

I used to run speed control flutter but my team doesn't feel like it needs speed control all too much

lone mural
cyan smelt
#

Could always slap on incin

lone mural
#

It didn't feel like it did anything outside of that

lone mural
cyan smelt
#

Incin is also nice in tr

strange fjord
lone mural
#

I can spell

cyan smelt
#

Just be careful of the meteor beam

strange fjord
#

i can spell, sometimes

cyan smelt
#

It can also be nice into the Zama mirror with tera bug

#

And good against hands too, it can't drain punch tera bug

lone mural
#

I kinda wanna try this flutter set to see how this does with the extra tr counter and ghost pressure but we'll see

Ribbon (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 148 HP / 244 SpA / 116 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Taunt
  • Protect
#

but if not I'll slap on incin

cyan smelt
#

Yeah try both out

lone mural
#

Oop forgot to EV amoonguss

cyan smelt
#

Just be aware that Amoonguss still takes a ton from electro drift

lone mural
#

Also for amoonguss

  • Spore
  • Rage Powder
  • Sludge Bomb
  • Pollen Puff
    ?
#

I feel off leaving protect out

cyan smelt
#

Also you could potentially run knock off on rilla for a knock off user that isn't weak to meteor beam

#

Maybe get rid of sludge bomb for protect

lone mural
#

I'll give that a go

cyan smelt
#

I think I'm gonna revisit my team but replace jumpluff with Indeedee and urshifu with something else

#

I just don't like single strike

lone mural
#

Amen jfc

cyan smelt
#

Lunala is always tera fairy anyway and caly shadow is usually dark or fairy

#

Chi yu would have better synergy with Groudon

lone mural
#

I feel like if you're changing that much maybe try to rebuild from your core?

cyan smelt
#

Lunala is good, so is Groudon, I wonder if I should put the psychic seed on lunala and safety goggles on Indeedee or rocky helmet

#

Bolt can stay because it's been clutch

lone mural
#

I LOVE MY LONG NECKED MAN

#

My dude

cyan smelt
#

Bolt is legit my new favourite pokemon, it can win games by itself

lone mural
#

Jesus I am starting to realise my type spread is a little bit constricted

cyan smelt
#

Yeah you're very weak to ice and fire

#

And flutter is very screwed if they have Indeedee

#

I really want to run iron boulder for some reason

#

Doesn't really work in tr though

lone mural
#

Do you have a tr mode?

#

Oh wait you're lunala groudon innit

cyan smelt
#

Yep

lone mural
#

True

cyan smelt
#

Man miraidon lunala is tricky because Groudon doesn't have great sp def

lone mural
#

It doesn't

#

?

cyan smelt
#

90

lone mural
#

wtf I thought it had some decent bulk

cyan smelt
#

Physical bulk sure

#

You know maybe I just add grimmsnarl to let it survive a Draco meteor

#

Idk team building is hard, no idea who to add for 5th and 6th

#

Maybe volcarona is good

lone mural
#

I just had some really nice games against a miraidon caly ice

#

And flutter went huge

#

The taunt flutter was so good there so thats promising

#

@cyan smelt If you end up sticking with lunala I'd like to practice that matchup

#

Would you mind playing some games later? :3

cyan smelt
#

Sure I just need to figure out a 5th and 6th

#

I'm gonna try brute bonnet even though it's 3 ice weaknesses now

#

Actually incin is probably better

lone mural
#

Depends on if you need sleep

#

I don't think the sleep is as worth it with miraidon running around

cyan smelt
#

Yeah but it's there for sucker punch into caly shadow

lone mural
#

Oooooo okay I see

cyan smelt
#

And resists astral barrage

#

But if I have psychic terrain sucker punch is no good

lone mural
#

Yea thats anti synergy if your core uses indeedee

cyan smelt
#

Incin is safer

lone mural
#

Prolly yea

cyan smelt
#

Then no idea for a 6th

lone mural
#

Lets see the paste

cyan smelt
#

Need to get a paste hang on

lone mural
#

I have to ask

#

Why groudon over koraidon

cyan smelt
#

i like spread moves

lone mural
#

I guess but here I don't think that groudon is just kind of being budget koraidon with an innaccurate spread move

solid frigate
#

nah Jk cuz Miraidon was popular

lone mural
#

Does miraidon like

#

Hard counter koraidon

solid frigate
#

50/50

#

depends on Set and bulk

cyan smelt
#

surprised there wasn't more ho-oh at milwaukee

lone mural
#

I guess koraidon does havew a dragon weakness

solid frigate
#

Clear Amulet Koraidon can’t OHKO miraidon

But Lorb Close Combat can

solid frigate
lone mural
#

yea

solid frigate
#

and Koraidon rather runs Flare Blitz and Flame Charge so yeah it only can use CC(both of them) to Deal damage

#

But personally Koraidon Lunala is more fun

lone mural
#

@cyan smelt My uninformed instinct here just says ursaluna

#

It's another viable trick room mon

#

But it depends on what you want

cyan smelt
#

already got groudon, don't want to stack ice weaknesses

lone mural
#

Maybe you could use something more sufficient outside of trick room

cyan smelt
#

what about iron hands

#

oh, flutter

lone mural
#

I was thinking flutter yea

#

But it's also double ghost

solid frigate
#

just remember Groudon and Koraidon use the same partners most of the time

cyan smelt
#

cornerstone why not

#

stacking up the ice weaknesses though so maybe not

solid frigate
#

Isnt that Neutral-

cyan smelt
#

nope, weak to ice

lone mural
#

stupidly enough I just thought ursh dark

solid frigate
#

+Cornerstone technically has no weakness when

You have sturdy againsta a calyrex Ice rider

cyan smelt
#

i tried durshifu and the mons i want to take out with it always tera out of their weaknesses

#

specifically lunala and caly shadow

#

funny suggestion what about sneasler

lone mural
#

Don't you dare take me back

#

I don't wanna go back no please

solid frigate
#

electric Terrain Stonks:

cyan smelt
#

i'm gonna try sneasler just for the lols

lone mural
#

I'm gonna be so upset if you run that in our practice games

cyan smelt
#

oh but it can't really do much against miraidon

lone mural
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Never leave home without your pocket gorilla

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Rilla has being on every team I've ever made I think lol. I could not dream of dealing with miraidon without it

cyan smelt
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ok i'm gonna test out my team

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chances are it'll be horrible

lone mural
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Every first draft is dw

cyan smelt
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lost my first game to thunder punch groudon

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wait that wasn't my testing alt

lone mural
cyan smelt
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i made a new testing alt

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lost my first game to expanding force calyrex

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lost my second game to body press chesnaught wtf

solid frigate
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both of the sets are pretty normal

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but it is CTS anyway

cyan smelt
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who tf uses chesnaught in reg i

solid frigate
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Kalos Fans

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but like the set wise thats pretty normal

cyan smelt
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tera water chesnaught with miraidon running around

solid frigate
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its Tera is for Caly Ice MU and Kyogre but it has Wide Guard so yeah

cyan smelt
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lower ladder cts sucks balls

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hell yes feels good to beat an ursaluna

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incin is clutch

lean falcon
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Hey guys, is there any option to get Tera shards faster then just doing the raids?

real prairie
gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
solid frigate
cyan smelt
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well i've won 6 in a row after losing two

solid frigate
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if you keep losing to conventional stuff then something feels wrong about your team

cyan smelt
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well i lost to tera normal csr and grassy seed farigiraf

solid frigate
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Both are pretty normal imo

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Grassy seed Fari is basically Eseed

And Tera Normal just for CSR Mirror since you already threaten Koraidon

cyan smelt
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i lost to geezing csr

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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tired of miraidon ho-oh that's twice i've lost to it

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three times now

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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my team is ass if i keep losing like this

solid frigate
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your team is ass and so does tilting

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the combination of what the results look like

cyan smelt
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i'm fucking tired of cts

real prairie
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Think im ready for Grand Challenge

cyan smelt
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how is your teambuilding so good

real prairie
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I stick to what i know, make very little changes. when i try to alternate from what im good at it goes to shit

solid frigate
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and we stick to our best archetype

real prairie
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Hyper offensive Rain is all i know 🤣

solid frigate
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Thats why i also got into 1500+ and 60% GXE

solid frigate
real prairie
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slowly learning TR now though with CIR in the team ive used it a bit

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usually against ZamaRider

solid frigate
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yeah it does work

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mine is just Bulky Mystic Water Ogre

real prairie
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After Grand Challenge, If i do well, i might look at Mystic water kyogre, drop Tornadus for Amoongus or Ursh RS and add sweet scent to Ludicolo or Tsareena.

solid frigate
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you can borrow my spread if you want

forest arrow
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Gm

solid frigate
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lives 2 unboosted Astral Barrage and with screens its a bit overkill

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forest arrow
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Hey bud

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Yall working on rain?

real prairie
solid frigate
real prairie
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Its a must have for Ludicolo 🤣

forest arrow
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Oh I know you haven’t left it lol

real prairie
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Although ludicolo actually partners really well with CIR

forest arrow
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My internet has had an outage for two days and I’m bouta go crazy