competitive_discussion

[rustic mountain]

lunala can be either

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna preach Lunala/HoOh until it wins a Regional

[jade dust]

Idk what team to build

[shadow wind]

Miraidon can work well, Koraidon can work well, Kyogre can work well

[foggy lodge]

I think I remember the restricteds stats

[shadow wind]

Zekrom defense

[foggy lodge]

no

[shadow wind]

I bet it's 110

[foggy lodge]

I think its 90 lmao

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

damn

[shadow wind]

I was so close 😔

[lofty tartan]

I like leaning a little into bulk with Lunala and outspeeding CSR in Tailwind. Sorta lukewarm in TR Lunala

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVoHxEfzMBk&t=2422s
if u go to the 39-40min mark of this vid theres a solid lunala/mirai team w. evs and everything

[jade dust]

I want to step away from Trick Room since Ive been playing trck room for years

And Caly Ice is my mist used legendary

So I wanna try something different

[lofty tartan]

Lunala HoOh

[shadow wind]

Then use Koraidon !

[lofty tartan]

[jade dust]

Hmm

Sounds good then

[foggy lodge]

I think I remember Eternatus's stats

[rustic mountain]

just linked u a potential lunala team up there ^

[jade dust]

A sun based team with some support for Lunala

[shadow wind]

Hey hey hey whoa whoa whoa

Just who does this guy think he is

[lofty tartan]

Koraidon/HoOh

HoOh so underrated right now

[foggy lodge]

140
85
95
145
95
130

[jade dust]

So then max spc atk and max speed Lunala?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 890: Eternatus

Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

140/85/95/145/95/130

Total

690

Other Formes

Eternatus-Eternamax

Sableye version 4.28.2

[lofty tartan]

Lunala has good bulk. I think it's positive leaning into that bulk to take advantage of it. I think CM Lunala with appropriate disruption is pretty strong at the moment

You can CM in front of Kyogre and just stop caring about most things

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2355181007-jvhrsyi30xlbokvnw175b5hy2dmo8d1pw

[foggy lodge]

Btw https://x.com/45mice/status/1917966725804425279

45mice (@45mice) on X

Average reaction to my 0.5% pokemon 😂 massively underrated

X · May 1, 2025, 3:37 PM

[shadow wind]

Clearly not raised in the Groudon slums that I was

[jade dust]

I see, I was planning using meteor beam

[lofty tartan]

Meteor Beam is fine but it's a one-time use thing and if it misses it's terrible

[shadow wind]

Thinks life is all rainbows and butterflys when using Groudon

[jade dust]

But then CM instead of that

[lofty tartan]

Even if it hits, its a dead slot afterward

[jade dust]

Tera fairy

[shadow wind]

No rainbows! Only the sun!!!

[lofty tartan]

I dig CM Moonblast moongeist

[shadow wind]

I'm thinking of running 3 attack with wide guard then just having another mon as a TR setter

Like Farig

[lofty tartan]

So far we're foregoing Wide Guard. Haven't really needed it as of now

[jade dust]

So something like this?

[shadow wind]

That sure is a set

[jade dust]

Wait

[shadow wind]

Me when the Lunala gets serious 😔

[jade dust]

Its signature instead of meteor beam

[shadow wind]

For me I mean, sorry I was in my own little world for a bit there

Groudon loves wide guard

[jade dust]

This

[shadow wind]

I would do moonblast over dgleam

[jade dust]

Tho Idk about the evs

[shadow wind]

It does a pitiful amount of damage unless you tera

[lofty tartan]

Life Orb Dark Caly
220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 220 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Tera-Fairy Lunala: 55-65 (22.9 - 27%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. +1 220 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Lunala: 74-87 (30.8 - 36.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 108+ SpA Tera-Fairy Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 28 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 528-624 (294.9 - 348.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 108+ SpA Tera-Fairy Lunala Moonblast vs. 28 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Dark Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 252-296 (140.7 - 165.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Some of the calcs we've gotten for Lunala

[jade dust]

Well spread to not be fully single target

And go around follow me

[shadow wind]

To each their own

[foggy lodge]

A japanese player used dazzling gleam calm mind lunala in reg G

[lofty tartan]

Lunala @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 124 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Moonblast
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[foggy lodge]

Then the rest of the worl adopted it and changed to moonblast and became meta

[shadow wind]

Crashing out

[foggy lodge]

lol

[jade dust]

So this spread is better?

[shadow wind]

Dozo is the only mon to make me crash out

[lofty tartan]

This is the one we're using right now. It'll outspeed Caly-S in tailwind I believe. SpD numbers are forced even slto get the most benefits from CM. SpA is like right to a bump

[jade dust]

And leftovers instead of cloak?

[lofty tartan]

Bump + 1 spA I think, so that it ended even

[jade dust]

I was thinkng cloak to prevent stat drops from secondary effects

[lofty tartan]

I dig leftovers because it can reapply shadow shield. We also run Rilla so it's 1/8 a turn

Hp is set to a value divisible by 16

[shadow wind]

Actually nah

Dozo is fine

Smeargle on the other hand

[lofty tartan]

Cloak can work too

I just like the recovery from lefties + Grassy

Makes him more of an immovable object

[jade dust]

And what evs for Koraidon?

Max atk and speed?

[shadow wind]

I'm lowkey on a CSR murder spree right now

Try to have fun on the ladder challenge level impossible

I love getting intimidate cycled while they're constantly healing !

[jade dust]

Tornadus or talonflame for tailwind?

For Koraidon Lunala

[shadow wind]

Tornadus

[foggy lodge]

Jumpluff!!!

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/eb621c509acbff3a

Alright so I have this

[shadow wind]

Hurricane on Wake needs to be deleted

[jade dust]

So flip turn instead?

I was considering that

[shadow wind]

Uhh

How about a fire move?

[jade dust]

To not get trapped in case of persih trap

Well Koraidon has that

[shadow wind]

You can double up on moves...

[jade dust]

So flamethrower would be better?

[shadow wind]

I like snarl or flamethrower

Bro loves getting walled by ghost types

Only game he brought it and man it was a close set

The most defensive offense vs. the most offensive defense

[jade dust]

My first match is a mirror match

[shadow wind]

I would suggest Bo3 ladder instead of Bo1

Very big bias coming out there but Bo3 definitely gives you a better understanding of the format

[rustic mountain]

nah bo1 is fine especially if ur still learning the game or even testing a team first

[shadow wind]

Bo1 feels like brainrot to me but that's just me being offensive for no reason

Games are games at the end of the day

[jade dust]

lol

[shadow wind]

Also I gotta wonder how people feel going against Groudon

Like when people lock into a game and they see Groudon is it just like instant relief?

[foggy lodge]

Kinda yeah

[jade dust]

Well gg

[shadow wind]

But if you get beaten how do you feel

Like is this a "Wow yippee free win!" moment from the opponents side?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2355192047-5l8su1at56yu5cqnfk1wl85qcbm0b1ppw

Groudon locked in this game too

Hit 3/3 Pblades

[jade dust]

Ngl this team feels very good

[shadow wind]

How many games have you played?

[jade dust]

Like 6

[shadow wind]

6-0?

[jade dust]

nah 5-1

[shadow wind]

That's still good

Had to show another Zama CSR player what's up

Me when I'm using trash mons yet have elite ball knowledge

[jade dust]

If a mon has the same attack stat than speed

which stat gets boosted by the paradox ability

[shadow wind]

I believe it goes in order of how the stats are listed

[jade dust]

My walking wake has the same spc atk than spd

[rustic mountain]

they can play differently ofc but at the end of the day its still mons

[shadow wind]

It would get a spatk booster I think

[shadow wind]

Yeah exactly

It's like comparing a granny smith to a gala

[jade dust]

So I'll give it one less ev on spc atk

[shadow wind]

Most advanced ev spread I've ever made

Also I think I went from 1000s to 1400s while losing like 2 or 3 games

I'll call that a win

[rustic mountain]

nice

[shadow wind]

Too bad the team still feels MID

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

Walking wake needs to get a job and stop freeloading on my team

It gets brought approximately never

I could go Flutter mane and switch Bolt to snarl

[rustic mountain]

yea id just replace it then

[shadow wind]

That is an option I've been thinking of

Oh wow this is the first version of the team...

Although

It does beat incin pretty well

Is there another mon with speed control + Fake out immunity + Incin destroying capabilities

A lot to ask I know

[rustic mountain]

u could hit 2/3 but not 3/3

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Maybe I just rely more on Groudon for Incin stuff

With Pao he does chunks

I don't love using this to find a 6th but it's the best I got right now

Very physical heavy on the team offensively

[rustic mountain]

i like pao/bolt/groudon everything else i think can go

[shadow wind]

Even Zacian? 😔

[rustic mountain]

i think zacian sucks after playing reg i a decent amount

[shadow wind]

Really?

[rustic mountain]

way worse then i thought itd be

[shadow wind]

I've been liking it for outspeeding Miraidon and Koraidon

[rustic mountain]

ig then u gta play tera mind games

if they dont already have their own speed control

[shadow wind]

It also add an offensive element that Groudon tends to lack

That is fair though

[rustic mountain]

i think like getting to neutral off 1 intimidate and single target damge being nullified by that and decent switches, it makes zacians life miserable

[shadow wind]

Yeah Zacian does struggle

But also it frickin chunks things

[rustic mountain]

nd u just are constantly staring down stronger single target or double target moves

[shadow wind]

+1 132 Atk Sword of Ruin Zacian-Crowned Sacred Sword vs. 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 122-144 (67.7 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

yea idk man i find calcs in a vaccum dont necessarily depict the entire use case for a mon

[shadow wind]

I know that Groudon Zacian is very last gen but I do like the combo, Incin does shaft it though

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

Extremely true

I do like having bolt who eats every hit under the sun with speed control for it though

Allows me to outspeed everything that isn't getting boosted

[rustic mountain]

i think they do better w/ other partners

together i dont see it, swsh had like gmax zard and stuff

[shadow wind]

Zacian Kyogre is good for sure

[rustic mountain]

grimm and incin were good defensive backbone

like rinya sun was super specific to the format

[shadow wind]

Me trying to find a Groudon parter

😔

[rustic mountain]

its ok

i think its good into ur team lol

[shadow wind]

I think that everything is good into my team

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Me trying to find a winning MU

https://tenor.com/view/velma-glasses-cant-find-my-glasses-scooby-doo-gif-11995608

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

Or that's Groudon trying to hit pblades

[rustic mountain]

dres can b tough, the mid bros get better but so do the broken guys

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Which is why I don't like being able to brute force wins

[rustic mountain]

i played some bronzong gravity groudon team the other day

they lost

[shadow wind]

I also played a bronzong gravity Groudon team the other day

They indeed lost

[rustic mountain]

we prolly played the same person haha

[shadow wind]

But yeah brute forcing wins is the worst habit I have

[rustic mountain]

yea i was gna say actually

[shadow wind]

I can win but man it causes problems in the future

[rustic mountain]

ur idea of like needing some mon to be the incin delete button

sometimes its ok to not have that and just like, chunk it down and play around it

[shadow wind]

That idea definitely comes from the team just being inconsistent

1 or 2 bad games against Incin and I'm like "Kill all cats"

[rustic mountain]

tho i fail to see how sword of ruin p blade doesnt just destroy it

[shadow wind]

But other games I OHKO him and it's hunky dory

[shadow wind]

Oh it 100% does

85% does

It's when I am missing SoR that it gets rough

And if they lead with a set up mon I'm hooped

[rustic mountain]

yea

gta have fake out answers

[shadow wind]

Which is why Entei-Pao has been nice but it relies 100% on me predicting the lead

[rustic mountain]

i think u need a better mix of defensive pieces

unless u commit to more ho which is gna be volatile w/ wat ur likely gna use in sun

[shadow wind]

Usually why I like having Grimmsnarl for screens but I don't want to just make Rinya sun again

Not saying that Groudon and Zacian is 100% what I'm doing but there's just gotta be other ways

[rustic mountain]

groudon-incin-lunala-bolt seems like a good start

[shadow wind]

Throw a Farig in there and honestly it's pretty solid

Although it's still kinda eh in Zama CSR

This is usually the problem I run into when teambuilding/theory crafting Groudon

[rustic mountain]

wide guard for csr, lunala virtually walls zama pre tera

its not guaranteed u have options tho

nd maybe consider the 6th mon for something that might make it more favorable. ive found darkshifu can be annoying

[shadow wind]

Someone start the timer I'm going to speedrun teambuilder

https://pokepast.es/25c4b167724ef2eb

Dang I ran outta items 😔

Team lowkey looks mid

Maybe I'm just desensitized

Nothing looks good anymore

Me when I run focus sash Incineroar

[shadow wind]

Tree have you ever ran into a MattMaster2010 on the ladder?

[cyan smelt]

is koraidon volc becoming more popular

[shadow wind]

I haven't seen it

[cyan smelt]

bieiup's team is cool, koraidon, miraidon and rising voltage bolt

torkoal, farig and ursaluna to round it out

[shadow wind]

I love testing a new team and going 0-3

My favourite past time actually

Ok we're making an elo comeback

I had to play 2 Bo3s at the same time

Well I didn't have to

[cyan smelt]

i need to hop on bo3 ladder, i replaced hearthflame with cornerstone

[shadow wind]

Whoa

This Urshifu is slower than my Groudon

[cyan smelt]

which urshifu is it

[shadow wind]

Rapid

[cyan smelt]

tr urshifu?

[shadow wind]

Nope no TR

This was the team

[cyan smelt]

weird team

[shadow wind]

I hate lorb Raging bolts

Like did I really deserve to have my Groudon take 70% from a tclap?

I personally don't think so

[cyan smelt]

ok time to bo3 ig

i got reminded why i avoid the vgc chat on showdown, someone was saying they're using eviolite gligar for toxic spikes

[solid frigate]

This comp chat wasn’t remotely better compare to that-

[shadow wind]

Y'all anyone got suggestions for a 6th mon on this https://pokepast.es/f469e8829ac062e2, Wake is not pulling its weight but I do still want damage control

Ok wake might be pulling its weight

[cyan smelt]

i might need to put meteor beam back on lunala

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2355231238-n762jhdpyrq3xlcnlv3r156lu5aowfhpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2355232387-137rf7pllvqsqir6m8cvlyo230a6hgdpw

Holy I cooked them

CSR Zama who?

Maybe I was the one not using Wake right 😔

AV Raging bolt will never not amaze me

BRO TOOK LESS THAN 50 FROM + 1 SPELL TAG ASTRAL BARRAGE

+1 100 SpA Spell Tag Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 102-120 (43.9 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO

Oh my goodness gracious

He truly is a gift sent from god

[real prairie]

I need to work out a line into CSR Zama, it drives me up the wall

[shadow wind]

I have lines but they are all followed with an "If I hit I win"

[real prairie]

Turn 1 i can match TW and blow up CSR but its usually sash, turn 2 im locked into water spout, have taken 1 astral barrage already and now Zama is on the field threatening wide guard

[shadow wind]

Urshifu?

[cyan smelt]

ok, i really like groudon and roaring moon, it puts on immediate offensive pressure, i might scrap indeedee for rilla to give extra healing for lunala, that sounds good right?

[shadow wind]

Sounds like a bajillion ice weaks

[real prairie]

tried it, couldn't get on with it.

[shadow wind]

Hmm

[cyan smelt]

oh right ice weakness

[shadow wind]

Usually Urshifu in rain destroys Zama

[cyan smelt]

well idk because indeedee isn't doing much

and i already have too many ice weaks

[real prairie]

also this is the team now locked into Grand challenge: https://pokepast.es/9599feae8db08bb3

So need to find a line with this team

[shadow wind]

Could try something like Incin

Oh shoot grand challenge

Uh oh I need to lock in for that

[real prairie]

think its too late

oh wait, its next weekend

[azure ether]

What's a fairly decent team idea for this Reg? I'm tasked to hold tryouts for a local draft league and I don't have the slightest idea on what to even play

[real prairie]

lols

here is me stressing its this weekend FFS

[cyan smelt]

incin doesn't do much against ho-oh, and i already have moon

i have too many fighting weaks with incin

[real prairie]

FFS, i could have kept testing before locking in 😭

[shadow wind]

Oh shoot I'm busy next weekend

Hmm

I can probably find time to do my 15 games a day

[real prairie]

well either way, i have a week to figure out a line into CSR + Zama

tbh it might just have to be hydro pump instead of waterspout and leaving their tornadus on the field to stop the free zama switch it

[cyan smelt]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2355234188 i love raging bolt sm

[shadow wind]

We could always run mocks if you want

[real prairie]

might take you up on that

[cyan smelt]

i need to look through the builder to see what i can replace indeedee with

brute bonnet is ice weak and fighting weak so that's no good

i got it, entei

[shadow wind]

Me when fairy/fire is perfect 😔

Entei is incredibly Mid

Personal experience tells me so

[real prairie]

Need some more data though, as i made the mistake of laddering for a week and not using PASRS so now having to get data at 1600s instead 🤣

[cyan smelt]

how about grimm, groudon likes screens right

[shadow wind]

Yes he sure does

I think I have a screens Groudon Lunala team

[cyan smelt]

but then i have two fairy weaks

and double dark type

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/697022a43f98ba26

It's kind of a nasty team

Nasty in the bad way

[shadow wind]

That's fine there's like 2 fairies in the entire format

[cyan smelt]

i'm honestly tempted to go iron moth but dude gets no single target poison moves

[real prairie]

WB a scarf coaching Urshifu?

[cyan smelt]

on sun?

[real prairie]

darkshifu still

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/27bc869f5f744c59

[cyan smelt]

does darkshifu run coaching

[real prairie]

don't see why it can't

[shadow wind]

That team I just sent did the best for me

Hit high 1400s on Bo3 with 2 accounts

[cyan smelt]

except i need something for ho-oh which likes to tera to grass

[shadow wind]

Pressure with Raging bolt then slap it with Heat crash

[real prairie]

Feel like Groudon needs help with its fragility, either redirection, setup or support.

[shadow wind]

Or just tera dark wicked blow

[shadow wind]

My goat is NOT fragile!

He's tough and strong !

[cyan smelt]

yeah i replaced hearthflame with cornerstone

[real prairie]

he dies to a tera water spout in the sun 😭

[shadow wind]

That's not his fault

He tries really hard ok

[real prairie]

Assault vest G'don with Coaching next to it 😉

[shadow wind]

They had to make him balanced ok

[shadow wind]

Me when Incineroar exists

Bro gets the 1-2 combo

[real prairie]

NGL, seeing a lot less of him this reg. maybe thats because i run Ogre though

[shadow wind]

100% cause you're running rain

[cyan smelt]

ok put in durshifu instead of indeedee let's see how i go

[shadow wind]

Swear on my life bro is on every team

[real prairie]

Is Lilli'Don usable? or is it too speed creeped now?

[shadow wind]

I dislike chlorophyll mons for one reason

[real prairie]

as Lilligant gets Defof im pretty sure, which is nice for Pblade

[shadow wind]

In Bo3 sleep powder is a requirement

[shadow wind]

Sweet scent but yeah

[real prairie]

defog too

which is probably better

[shadow wind]

Why's that?

[tiny karma]

Move: Defog

Lowers the target's evasiveness by 1 stage. If this move is successful and whether or not the target's evasiveness was affected, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil, Safeguard, Mist, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the target's side, and the effects of Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the user's side. Ignores a target's substitute, although a substitute will still block the lowering of evasiveness. If there is a terrain active and this move is successful, the terrain will be cleared.

Type

Flying

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Move: Defog

Lowers the target's evasiveness by 1 stage. If this move is successful and whether or not the target's evasiveness was affected, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil, Safeguard, Mist, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the target's side, and the effects of Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the user's side. Ignores a target's substitute, although a substitute will still block the lowering of evasiveness. If there is a terrain active and this move is successful, the terrain will be cleared.

Type

Flying

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Move: Sweet Scent

Lowers the target's evasiveness by 2 stages.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Oops

Spam 😔

[real prairie]

haha ill delete mind

mine*

or not, nevermind

[shadow wind]

I guess defog does get rid of screens

Wait is defog spread?

I know sweet scent is

A saw a clip of Tropius using it

[real prairie]

its single target, but effects both mons evasivness

I think

[shadow wind]

Oh weird

[real prairie]

but also clears terrains too

[shadow wind]

https://x.com/i/status/1911324341679329486

𝖎𝖆𝖓.𝖒𝖎𝖑𝖑𝖊𝖗 (@ians_trash) on X

Okay but Tropius was the meta breaking pokemon i needed to get me pumped for reg i

X · Apr 13, 2025, 7:43 AM

Here it is

[real prairie]

yeah, same idea i was trying to run with sweet scent ludicolo and Kyogre

but couldn't get on without scarf Ogre, im weak

[shadow wind]

Imagine being able to run scarf on your restricted

Also I have just added another person from showdown on discord

[cyan smelt]

i'm getting my ass whooped

[shadow wind]

I love when people ask for my teams

Brings a tear to my eye

Even if this team is the middest thing of all time

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-handle-this-i-know-you-cant-nope-gif-16492266

first game of the day:

[shadow wind]

Looks like every game i had today

My last game

4/6 of the same mons

And they both think they're cool

[real prairie]

They led with Urshifu, Hurrah!

[shadow wind]

What a surprise 🤯

[real prairie]

i have still been cooked by my own mistakes

Game 2:

[shadow wind]

What the

[real prairie]

tried something different: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2355244192-krd45dmw8e02tft7eb8nsmco2b8x6sipw

although that game isn't really the line into i need

this one might be though 🤣

okay this is getting silly:

[cyan smelt]

man i lost to a resisted miraidon d-gleam

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

4 Zama CSRs in a row is pretty clapped

[cyan smelt]

i'm losing a lot the team needs some tweaks

[true niche]

soo calyrex shadow rider + zamazenta are like dominating reg I?

[real prairie]

Apparently

[shadow wind]

Send it maybe we can help

[cyan smelt]

ok one sec

[real prairie]

I WON A GAME! https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2355250014

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/30892e6a2dcac5e8 here

[shadow wind]

Have you tried AV bolt?

[cyan smelt]

nope, honestly thinking that, putting back indeedee and putting power herb back on lunala

[real prairie]

just killed a Groudon, that made me feel better

😉

[shadow wind]

Cmon man

Not cool

[cyan smelt]

Manual rain is a problem for the team

[shadow wind]

AV bolt would help with that

[cyan smelt]

What 4th move do I run for bolt

[shadow wind]

Guy just lives forever and kills everything

Snarl, Eweb, or weather ball are all good

[cyan smelt]

Eweb?

[shadow wind]

Electroweb

[cyan smelt]

Eweb sounds good

For when I don't want to bring moon

Zama csr is tough though

[real prairie]

its hell!

that was clean: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2355258808

[cyan smelt]

this team sucks

[chrome knot]

apparently is wild

[real prairie]

Wasn't seeing as many as i have Today haha

has some YT made a video popularising the team?

[chrome knot]

1500s bo3 is like ONLY csr zam or korai nala

[real prairie]

Oooof, glad im not worried about BO3 right now 🤣

[mighty stump]

no csr korai?

damn

[chrome knot]

prob that asw idk its just what ive played into over past few days

[cyan smelt]

i feel like ogerpon is the weak link in my team, i might change it back to hearthflame

[frosty salmon]

Hey guys

[cyan smelt]

what's good

[frosty salmon]

Can you use rental teams on official tournament?

[astral kelp]

depends

the one i went to said no

[cyan smelt]

this team is feeling better now, won 3 straight 2-0

[astral kelp]

Ayo o

What's the team?

[chrome knot]

official tournaments, i assume league challenges all the way up to ICs, no

[astral kelp]

Ayo with lunalooh

[frosty salmon]

Like regionals international and worlds

[astral kelp]

How does that even work lol

[cyan smelt]

lunala, groudon, durshifu, bolt, moon, ogerpon hearthflame

[frosty salmon]

Uhh

[astral kelp]

Groudon tail room that's cool

[frosty salmon]

How does thst work

[astral kelp]

To deal with his akward asf speed tier

[cyan smelt]

nah i didn't like having the tr mode on it so it's just 3 moves meteor beam power herb

[frosty salmon]

Im testing a korwidon ca shadow and walking wake

Team

Koraidon, cá shadow, walking wake, chien pao, clefairy, whims

[next stump]

no

[cyan smelt]

man these teams are really hard

[real prairie]

Sorry @shadow wind

[chrome knot]

felt

[real prairie]

You'd think more people would bring Rilla into me

[chrome knot]

thats kinda shocking

[real prairie]

Go away Cybertron lol

[chrome knot]

nooo popular team gets featured 😱

why would he do that

[real prairie]

haha im just salty, leave me be

[chrome knot]

i hope i see csr zam alot tmrw

[exotic grotto]

Is Calyrex Shadow with Zamazenta a popular team?

[chrome knot]

yes

[exotic grotto]

Thanks for answering!

[cyan smelt]

this team sucks

[plain drum]

Thus is the cycle of VGC

[cyan smelt]

groudon ain't it

[chrome knot]

groudon was never it

[solid frigate]

Groudon isn't Koraidon

[exotic grotto]

Which team are you talking about?

[solid frigate]

rn the weather setters are like

Koraidon>Kyogre>Groudon

From largest influence to the lowest

[exotic grotto]

Is the weather set by Koraidon and Groudon the same?

[solid frigate]

Koraidon just uses the Weather Better than Groudon anyway

[astral kelp]

[astral kelp]

koraidon->kyogre->torkoal->pelliper->groudon

[chrome knot]

pelipper > torkoal

[astral kelp]

really?

i was really split on that but i thought that torkoal was beter since hard trick room is so good

[exotic grotto]

Doesn't Groudon set up Extremely harsh sunlight, which is better than Koraidon's?

[astral kelp]

thats the like mega version

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

fyomin has given 1 Gen Rep to k4x1

[chrome knot]

koraidon ability also compliments setting sun you also get 1.33x boost to everything lmao

[tiny karma]

Ability: Orichalcum Pulse

On switch-in, summons Sunny Day. During Sunny Day, Attack is 1.3333x.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[exotic grotto]

Koraidon is really strong!

[tiny karma]

Ability: Hadron Engine

On switch-in, summons Electric Terrain. During Electric Terrain, Sp. Atk is 1.3333x.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

btw why are people not running u-turn on koraidon

[foggy lodge]

cause every other move is better

Only choice band would use it but choice band kinda shitty anyways

[chrome knot]

why would they…?

[astral kelp]

9% aint bad actually

[astral kelp]

pivot is good no?

specially on a weather setter

[dense latch]

korai’s other tools are better

[chrome knot]

not always when the other options are just miles better

[astral kelp]

yeah i imagine

[foggy lodge]

Most Koraidon teams are just super stationary and hyper offensives

The atlanta winning team is the example

[astral kelp]

makes me want to try scarf koraidon lol

[foggy lodge]

The team doesn't switches too much so you just stay in and kill things

[astral kelp]

or band ig

but scarf lets me outspeed csr so

[astral kelp]

yeah setup with flame charge

[solid frigate]

thats Primal

Which if primal returns is gonna be

Primal Groudon>Primal Kyogre=Mega Rayquaza>Koraidon>Kyogre>Groudon

[astral kelp]

huh groudon was better than kyogre

[solid frigate]

Because you are basically Inviincible against Water if you are slower than Kyogre

cuz weather starts in turn order

[astral kelp]

oh wait yeah drizzle cant override primal groudon right

[solid frigate]

and Kyogre's Super Drizzle kinda doesn't help against Groudon besides wipe the floor when switch in

I like The Idea of Primal Kyogre+Xerneas+Mega Mence tho

[astral kelp]

mence?

[foggy lodge]

Salamence

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna replace groudon with koraidon and see how i go

[astral kelp]

ngl a reg with primal groudon and kyogre sound unbelievably unfun

[foggy lodge]

It is

[astral kelp]

Every game just hoping for blades to miss lmao

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

fyomin has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre-Primal

Type

Water

Abilities

Primordial Sea

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/90/180/160/90

Total

770

Base Species

Kyogre

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

Holy fuck 180

At least it's speed stat is still mid in todays meta

[solid frigate]

it is but honestly i want this solely cuz i wanna try out Kyogre Xerneas Mega Salamence

[solid frigate]

it still can work in TR like Kyogre loves Bronzong

[foggy lodge]

I am ready for regulation I now https://pokepast.es/78e09284093e40aa

[solid frigate]

which again i think i love The primals basically can be immune to each other

Cuz they love Levitate so much that sometimes Skill swap Levitate on them is MASSIVE

[cyan smelt]

yeah i'm gonna switch to korai lunala

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 373: Salamence-Mega

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Aerilate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/145/130/120/90/120

Total

700

Base Species

Salamence

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

Wtf are those stats

[tiny karma]

Ability: Aerilate

This Pokemon's Normal-type moves become Flying-type moves and have their power multiplied by 1.2. This effect comes after other effects that change a move's type, but before Ion Deluge and Electrify's effects.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

Holy fuck

[astral kelp]

It seems like a heavily positioning based meta game

Incin would love it

[cyan smelt]

should i just play that koraidon lunala team that has indeedee, cornerstone, chi yu and flutter

[solid frigate]

my beloved

[cyan smelt]

man idk what to use

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/katatatat__/status/1918305018848879072?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Kat 🏳️‍🌈 🔜 Milwaukee (@katatatat__) on X

I am ready for the Milwaukee Video Game Regional Championships

X · May 2, 2025, 2:02 PM

[solid frigate]

LMFAO

[chrome knot]

my wife…

[solid frigate]

as a Miraidon Main i love that interaction

[knotty briar]

Looks like somebody recently re-watched worlds 2016

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/TorrentAegisVGC/status/1918309768159961113

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC) on X

you don't see that everyday huh.
252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 100 Def Kyogre: 177-211 (86.3 - 102.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

(My Kyogre When Ice Beam is not affected by Sun Despite Ice Melts to Water in 0 Degrees Celcius)

X · May 2, 2025, 2:21 PM

[chrome knot]

kyogre is less physically bulky than urshifu

how is this surprising

[solid frigate]

i honestly don't expect Kyogre to live it twice in 1 Bo3

but it did so

i'm fine with it

like my spread lives CA version but i never calc for Lorb

[cyan smelt]

Groudon is just too slow

[solid frigate]

its just unlike Kyogre

It just can't run Scarf more effectively+His weather kinda does not matter too much compare to Kyogre-

if there is no Tera Koraidon would be on the same boat just slightly less worse

you still benefit from the ability's Second Effect

[cyan smelt]

Koraidon gets that 1.33x boost

[solid frigate]

yeah thats what i just said

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna try koraidon + volcarona

Struggling to figure out what moves to put on lunala

[solid frigate]

moongeist Meteor Beam Trick Room Wide Guard

[cyan smelt]

Don't know what else to use besides koraidon lunala

[solid frigate]

i'm still on my tried and true

MiraiOgre and meme team for CIR Dialga

[forest arrow]

Moongheist Moonblast TR WG

Electric seed, Leftovers, Spell Tag

[solid frigate]

For Koala

[forest arrow]

I like no meteor beam

That’s why I suggested spell tag, leftovers

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz you get walled by Normal

my P2 goes hard

[real prairie]

How is everyone elses afternoon going?

[cyan smelt]

About the same

Team is ass so I'm scrapping it

[real prairie]

everything is CSR and Zama, I genuinely if i do anything after Grand Challenge am going to move to Imprison Zama

[cyan smelt]

Need to figure out who to pair with koraidon lunala

[dense latch]

https://youtu.be/YgO6jiIOkLA?si=3z3o-kbuwASrgt3S

standard korai lunala team but it gets the job done

[cyan smelt]

I've seen a variation of that with chi yu, flutter and rockpon

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VgcRobbie/status/1918300035374092728

RobbieVGC (@VgcRobbie) on X

Got to 1750 on ladder with this very strong Koraidon Lunala team 😀 https://t.co/sNIxiWWUb1
Video of me reaching it in replies

X · May 2, 2025, 1:42 PM

[plain drum]

Damn

[cyan smelt]

Christ

Bo3 ladder is hard

[bold geode]

Groudon Lunala
Miraidon Lunala

[bold geode]

Hey babe

[real prairie]

seems ive improved my line into CSR and Zama

but its still basically a coin toss

[bold geode]

Hehe ye boi

[cyan smelt]

I tried lunadon but Groudon is too slow and I don't really like having two slow mons up against stuff like koraidon and flutter

Basically need tailwind to do anything but roaring moon is no good for that

Either tw or tr

Maybe I'll go something like lunadon Indeedee grimmsnarl

I did struggle against teams with grimmsnarl on it so maybe it's worth a try

[bold geode]

TR on Groudon Lunala would be pretty fuckin juicy

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I was struggling against koraidon and fast mons so it makes sense

Actually, as soon as I abandoned the tr mode on my team I started struggling

[bold geode]

Aight chat
Place ya bets
What we got winning Milwaukee

[chrome knot]

mirai zam

[bold geode]

Chat we leaked shit LFG

Honestly I will say it
Idt Zam CSR wins

Like on a serious note not taking into account anyone who I'd be rooting for

[cyan smelt]

gonna say mirai lunala lol

[exotic grotto]

What do you want to win?

[bold geode]

There we go, that's something
On another note, I wanna say barring people I'm rooting for (go those people, hope they win)
I would love to see Ice Rider do good or potentially win

I'd like to see it
Though idk if it truly happens
But we'll see

[exotic grotto]

Thanks for your answer!

[cyan smelt]

so i'm thinking grimm, indeedee, lunala, groudon, what else should i put?

urshifu so they can't protect during tr

[bold geode]

Idk if you want Grimm tbh
What's the tough MUs again

[cyan smelt]

koraidon, zama csr, kyogre

miraidon is just about manageable

[bold geode]

DeeDee TR is good into Zam CSR and Korai for ya tbh

And Luna Dee should guarantee that going up

Ngl over Grimm I'd probably like
Actually a Grass type would be nice
Hearth or Corner is something
I'd also like to see you put the Single Strike in the bag

[cyan smelt]

yeah hearthflame is solid and urshifu is good

[lofty tartan]

Ho-Oh Lunala

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-bring-it-on-lets-fight-angry-mad-gif-17021777

I believe in the magic

[bold geode]

Lol fuck it

[cyan smelt]

is it still worth running sucker punch on psychic terrain with urshifu

[bold geode]

I mean your choice

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey is going to Milwaukee btw

I don't think he brings perish tho

[bold geode]

Anyways as for me on an honest note
While I say these things, I'm also like
Not necessarily rooting for one thing as much as I'm curious about like
Every factor as whole

[foggy lodge]

That's definetly his NAIC or worlds sauce lol

[bold geode]

I wanna see right

1. There are teams to beat, mainly Zam CSR but I think Koraidon Lunala also classifies, how have people prepped for it
2. I wanna see how some underperforming things fare in Milwaukee, as for example ZacOgre didn't do too well last VR tour and some people are on the fence with Ice Rider. How do they do?
3. For the future, how do people take knowledge of this event and go forward in the meta cuz keep in mind this is not only a new format, but it is also the Worlds format this year

Cuz like honestly I can't root for one thing like I could before, this format actually has more to it than meets the eye
It's actually very interesting
I love it, not cuz I have found something that works like G
But because the format is actually interesting

So for this first event, I'm not necessarily worried about finding what one thing has the highest chance of winning it all as much as I am curious about how everything does, how everything fares into the meta, what the actual early consensus is

[cyan smelt]

ok keen to try out my new team now

ok maybe i should put bolt as my 6th, need an answer for kyogre and rapid strike

[knotty mirage]

There so much people who use miraidon i say yeah it still worth it

[cyan smelt]

6-1 so far, not bad

7-1

wow, 9-1, that's awesome

[rustic mountain]

new cybertron vid hes running imprison zama
first game he faces an opposing imprison zama that imprisons his own

[cyan smelt]

imprison the imprison

[rustic mountain]

i think its such a bad move to run i was cracking up what a shitstorm

[chrome knot]

guh..

[craggy dagger]

but that’s the fun in running those stupid moves

[rustic mountain]

ig lol

[craggy dagger]

it’s so bad that it’s funny

[rustic mountain]

it was funny

[cyan smelt]

9-2

damn, 9-3

[bold geode]

Smol

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[bold geode]

Helloing bestie

[bold geode]

Imprison Zam low-key is just an annoyance more than anything

[rustic mountain]

i just find it to be a lazy approach but yea generally is just annoying

[bold geode]

Yeah
I hate when I get in a Zam v Zam endgame like I CAN WIN then it just outspeeds and imprisons

[cyan smelt]

this is a fun team monke thanks for helping

[bold geode]

No problem

[cyan smelt]

i just needed to commit to hard tr rather than tailroom

[bold geode]

Well idk if it's necessarily Hard TR but like
Both of them are slower pieces so TR just gives you more leverage tbh

Especially with Luna DeeDee which can just set it up insanely efficient

[cyan smelt]

only thing i'm worried about is stuff like caly-i but i've got tera water lunala for that

it shreds the new arubega caly-i team

[rustic mountain]

teleport lunala in this cybertron vid wat is happening

[cyan smelt]

just beat someone in the 1400s easily

this team is solid

[bold geode]

I fought Nasty Plot Tornadus once

[cyan smelt]

did it do much

[rustic mountain]

what reg was that

[bold geode]

Afterwards
Nope
Though they did barely beat me cuz I missed a Sandsear

[bold geode]

This one

[rustic mountain]

yo i think aaron is actually gna lose to teleport lunala

[cyan smelt]

teleport lunala?

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

yea

nvm he got bailed out w/ a wisp miss

[cyan smelt]

i need to see teleport lunala lol

[chrome knot]

-8ball do i buy matching latis rn

[gentle crag]

do i buy matching latis rn
:8ball: My sources say no

[chrome knot]

LMAO aight nws

[cyan smelt]

do it anyway

[chrome knot]

bo3 8ball

-8ball do i buy matching latis for kat and i

[gentle crag]

do i buy matching latis for kat and i
:8ball: You may rely on it

[rustic mountain]

watch the vid

[bold geode]

Lol

-8ball should I gamble my mortgage

[gentle crag]

should I gamble my mortgage
:8ball: Better not tell you now

[bold geode]

Wha

-8ball should I gamble my mortgage

[gentle crag]

should I gamble my mortgage
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again

[bold geode]

Dumb ahh

-8ball should I gamble my mortgage

[gentle crag]

should I gamble my mortgage
:8ball: It is certain

[bold geode]

@chrome knot time to gamble

[spiral ridge]

I’m surprised you’d even let the idea of chance come near this guaranteed

[cyan smelt]

-8ball do i play more bo1

[gentle crag]

do i play more bo1
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[chrome knot]

kat was driving

[foggy lodge]

Youtube recommended me a reg F regional vod and damn

[spiral ridge]

Uh huh

[foggy lodge]

6 fucking wellsprings lmao

[spiral ridge]

Yup

Fuck you urshi

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Let's go

[chrome knot]

she is!!

[cyan smelt]

i'm really liking tera water lunala

[bold geode]

You forget there was a point during Reg F it was more Wellspring over Rapid Strike Ursh and Single Strike popped off

[foggy lodge]

hmm which fast mons get knock off now

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[spiral ridge]

No I meant like uh huh continue how does this relate to gambling to decide lol

[cyan smelt]

before i was struggling with rapid strike, koraidon and kyogre but with tera water lunala i don't have to worry as much

[foggy lodge]

The time were urshifu water was unused was the best time of reg f lmao

[bold geode]

-8ball should Scotty put his car on red

[gentle crag]

should Scotty put his car on red
:8ball: Don't count on it

[spiral ridge]

Darkshifu like dozogiri
You forget to have something for it it’s bye bye time lol

[rustic mountain]

yea then ppl figured out urshi was still good and wellspring fell off almost completely

[foggy lodge]

But it's kinda crazy how wellspring went from THAT usage to just niche in some teams

[spiral ridge]

I don’t have a car

[bold geode]

Oh Scotty would lose

[cyan smelt]

crazy how dondozo has stuck around into double res

[spiral ridge]

Unaware and pure bulk ig

[bold geode]

Yeah they thought Bolt would make it go bye bye then Japan was like Nuh Uh, you actually put the Ursh with the Bolt and boom

[rustic mountain]

running dozo in dres is kinda troll to me cuz u usually gta drop a restricted to run it effectively

[spiral ridge]

Do you?

[bold geode]

I've seen Mirai CSR DozoGiri

[rustic mountain]

kinda weird to play 2 restricteds and dozo its a bit easy to exploit from the ones ive played vs

[chrome knot]

i let 8ball decide if i buy them for us or not

[spiral ridge]

Ic

[rustic mountain]

loved japan balance

[spiral ridge]

Yes and I joked saying I can’t believe you’d let chance decide for what should be an absolute guarantee yes

[bold geode]

Yeah Japan balance was nice

[rustic mountain]

we got 2 reg gs but only 1 reg f, gf hates us

[spiral ridge]

F

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Woah pfp change of mumei to mumei

[cyan smelt]

i like brute bonnet

[forest arrow]

Hey babe, sorry been at work just seen your ping

[forest arrow]

HO OH LUNALAAAA!!!

[chrome knot]

DUDE

[plain drum]

Oh fuck

[bold geode]

YOU MET PURPLECLIFFE

Lucky

[atomic mural]

yo its purplecliffe

[plain drum]

And Emma and Miraidon, the aura here is insane

[solid frigate]

da Purpleciffe and the Miraidon Habitat

[solid frigate]

i exists

i just don't have the plush yet

[plain drum]

Are you in the picture though

[solid frigate]

😭

at this point idfk

[plain drum]

Fair enough

[chrome knot]

yeah i was walking around saw him went hooolly shit i need a pic rn

[bold geode]

I'd do the same thing

[solid frigate]

i saw nils dunlop during bham but i did not ask for a picture

[cyan smelt]

What's the most challenging team y'all have come across?

[mental mason]

13-2 on cart for my first VGC regulation ever! I love winning when I Crit three times in a row outplay my opponents.

[cyan smelt]

Awesome work!

[mental mason]

Thanks! One loss I forgot Zamazenta had wide guard and used two spread moves and that 1 turn of damage was the difference. The second. I lost due to being predicted that whole match. But three of those wins were stuff I got lucky on, either the aforementioned three crits or missplays for stuff like not sacrificing rillaboom to get rid of my Miraidon's electric terrain when I had two mons left and keeping zacian in against full health kyogre in the last turn of Tailwind.

[cyan smelt]

What tera is your zacian? I've seen tera dragon (on Zama too) to resist water moves

[mental mason]

Ah. I run Miraidon/Kyogre.

[cyan smelt]

Oh

I misread

[mental mason]

I am tempted to run zacian though! I basically only use Urshifu-RS for physical damage, but electro Drift is a funny button.

[cyan smelt]

At least you know what you did wrong so you can learn from it though!

[mental mason]

I am trying to evaluate my play and team as I go! I'm sticking to pressing the best button atm rather than trying to predict what my opponent will due, and that's led to wins and losses on Showdown. Where I'm barely over .500 on three different variations of my team.

[cyan smelt]

Generally if your team is solid and has good synergy you won't need to predict as much

[solid frigate]

i just throw my team into rental team

Probably expected the rental team to be released before GC

[mental mason]

Good to know!

https://pokepast.es/5132f71322db0f6c

This is what I built on cart! I need to find mons I like using to replace Ogerpon-C and maybe Incineroar or change my sets to have more protects as i kinda lose hard to trick room atm.

[cyan smelt]

You could run life orb miraidon and have protect, or magnet

[solid frigate]

at least my Mirai Ogre team is still like NUKE shit

[solid frigate]

this comp needs Specs Miraidon.

[cyan smelt]

Vulnerable to fake out though

[solid frigate]

switch out or have a fari

[cyan smelt]

True, farig is goated for miraidon

[mental mason]

[solid frigate]

like i dont hve Fari and i still make it to 1500

[foggy lodge]

Life orb is just kinda fraud imo

[mental mason]

I'm finding I really like leading Urshifu-RS/Tornadus into Zacian teams as I can switch out with U-Turn or Tera surging strikes Zacian in the rain after Tornadus sets it up to get zacian out early.

[solid frigate]

thats-

The most normal thing to lead cuz Rain+Tera just Wipes Zacian

while ensure living a Play rough

[mental mason]

[cyan smelt]

Idk how my ogerpon lived a close combat from zacian before

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ho-oh-pokemon-pokemon-ho-oh-rainbow-roar-gif-17972497723486226033

[solid frigate]

not stab but yeah

[cyan smelt]

Still, zacian has a high attack stat

[rustic mountain]

starting to see a lot more ditto now

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its crazy

Alex Gómez played Yan Sym on stream

https://pokepast.es/f1bac9cd17f34fa2 ig this is the team

The last slot is urshifu but idk which one

Could be scarf watershifu or sash darkshifu

[forest arrow]

I say scarf rapid but could be wrong

Both really good pieces

[chrome knot]

she bought me a new cinnamoroll🥺

[bold geode]

Hot take
Ditto is a fake ass mon

[bold geode]

SO CUTE

[rustic mountain]

i dont think its fake but i think its not gna keep the use im seeing of it rn

too many teams jus slapping ditto on there and calling it a day

[foggy lodge]

Its mainly ditto's purpose tho

[rustic mountain]

has to make sense in terms of what ur team needs tho, like theres a reason teams didnt just have ditto randomly thrown on in reg g or other formats w/ it. its like any other mon it needs to have purpose vs just oh i can get another restricted lets put it on there. its braindead

[foggy lodge]

It just exists to disable bad MUs most of the time

Like pagos ditto or joseph's team

Its the biggest purpose it has

[rustic mountain]

yea jus requires certain kinds of teams to really allow it to shine its a very high risk mon

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

https://x.com/CbuttyVGC/status/1918350273791054060

Farigiraf's Strongest Soldier (@CbuttyVGC) on X

I've come to the conclusion that I'm not burnt out on vgc, just showdown, cart is so much more fun 😭

X · May 2, 2025, 5:02 PM

[bold geode]

Idk I hate how it takes SO MUCH fucking work and at the end of the day it doesn't even guarantee you any value whatsoever

[atomic mural]

This is epic

[solid frigate]

you're competing rn?

[plain drum]

Pikachu's head is so circular for some reason

[rustic mountain]

p much

[atomic mural]

Yeah first masters tournament

[rustic mountain]

its good as a revenge mon but u hav to get the right spot for it

so it really is dependent

[bold geode]

Yeah like all that work
I'd just rather use a different Pokemon like

[solid frigate]

gl

[rustic mountain]

i get it

ditto is good but its 1 of those where it works on like usually 1 or 2 teams in a format

[foggy lodge]

Its literally skill expressive mon

You depend a lot on positioning and even on just getting right which slot will the opponent's mon be

And can be also played around

The pivot moves make it a lot easier lol

[astral kelp]

it's kinda akward because you have to like switch into a spot with a restricted

Like how do you switch ditto into csr

Ig you manouver something like incin at that slot then parting shot

[dense latch]

you don’t manually switch it in ever

you can also just position your board so that your mon across csr faints and you can just swap in ditto

[astral kelp]

Oh Ic so ditto would be good in hyper aggro

[atomic mural]

opinons on amoongus vs brute bonnet?

[rustic mountain]

ive played against ppl that do, it all depends

[foggy lodge]

Balance -> Amoonguss
Hyper offense -> Brute Bonnet

[dense latch]

saying ever was probably a stretch i do think it’s possible to do it

ig next to a wide guard mon or in a state where you get nothing from astral

[solid frigate]

pushing to Master Ball rank in cart with main team

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-il-imbibitor-lunae-ultimate-ult-burst-dhil-gif-16066173447133932836

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/b74eeb3c8d93ae17

I made some adjustments but I found that leading Lunala and Rilla is very effective in most scenarios

It puts a lot of pressure and allows to calm mind easily

My main problem is Fari movepool

I find cases where its not contributing much

So I added helping hand

[astral kelp]

istg it such a shallow pool

sometimes it just exists

[jade dust]

Yeah its annoying you cant fit the ones you would really benefit from

Without hindering other coverage

[astral kelp]

but tbh it existing is kinda enough

armor tail is so busted

even the treat of switching it it is enough

[solid frigate]

just Spam Helping Hand and forgo Imprison for another move

cuz Imprison is just not worth it when Everything is an Atomic Bomb

and we have 2 of them-

[astral kelp]

i get the idea

some teams just insta lost to trick room

[solid frigate]

but his team does not insta loss to TR

and Moongeist beam chunks CIR anyway

[astral kelp]

yeah i was just looking at it lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

literally the entire format is this

[astral kelp]

i guess its not particularly good into trick room

cir always teras here

and he cant really beat follow me trick room

[solid frigate]

just redisturbute the EVs on Rilla and givve it Tera Fire or some shi-

[astral kelp]

oh yeah wtf

[solid frigate]

i think my teambuilding Group members still runs Korai Lunala and tthey never use Imprison

[astral kelp]

he does not need 252 atk

[solid frigate]

also where is wood hammer-

[astral kelp]

wait 252 atk with no wood hammer

[jade dust]

So drop imprison for foul play?

[astral kelp]

honestly just grab the evs from munchstats

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz Foul Play Chunks CIR

[astral kelp]

and then adjust them later to your liking

is psychic noise better than psychic rn?

[solid frigate]

free Rilla kill when i reset terrain lol

[astral kelp]

i think psychic kills urshifu

[solid frigate]

0 SpA Farigiraf Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 168-198 (95.4 - 112.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[languid ocean]

I don't see much urshifu this format lately

[astral kelp]

really

i swear hes in like every game

[solid frigate]

where the fuck are you in the elo-

[jade dust]

I dont like running double grass moves cuz grass is pretty shitty offensively

Its resisted by many types

So I prefer high horsepower

[solid frigate]

Kyogre:

[languid ocean]

floating around 1250-1300

[solid frigate]

glide does not kill Ogre btw

[languid ocean]

like I see them often enough but

[tiny karma]

Grass

Hits for 0.5x

Bug, Dragon, Fire, Flying, Grass, Poison, Steel

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Ground, Rock, Water

Sableye version 4.28.2

[jade dust]

Grassy glide 2hko kyoger anyway

[astral kelp]

its aight

[jade dust]

And kyoger isnt much of a thread to my team

[languid ocean]

not brought in that often? or maybe I somehow mentally block urshifu

[astral kelp]

does hammer?

[jade dust]

Kyoger doesnt do much to Koraidon or Lunala

Does even less to walking wake

Or rilla

[solid frigate]

always OHKO

[astral kelp]

oh sweet i didnt know that

[solid frigate]

i just beat one in high ladder and thats not the only one i beaten

and i am using Kyogre

[jade dust]

never 1hko

but consistent 2hko

[solid frigate]

also you don't have wide guard this is so fucking free for me

[jade dust]

Not really needed tbh cuz this team is very bulky

Lunala is very bulky

Fari is build bulky

and tera water

[astral kelp]

tbh building bulky doesnt really matter when kid named 150bp in rain

[solid frigate]

156+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala in Rain: 68-81 (28.2 - 33.6%) -- 93.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
156+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Lunala in Rain: 136-162 (56.4 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 228 HP / 124 Def Shadow Shield Lunala in Rain on a critical hit: 130-157 (53.9 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

撕裂形骸解放~
万钧雷霆的巨响~

[astral kelp]

jumpscare

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[jade dust]

If Origin pulse wasnt 50% accurate lol

[astral kelp]

whats your kyogre set torren?

[solid frigate]

Bulky Ogre mystic Water

https://x.com/TorrentAegisVGC/status/1918309768159961113

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC) on X

you don't see that everyday huh.
252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 100 Def Kyogre: 177-211 (86.3 - 102.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

(My Kyogre When Ice Beam is not affected by Sun Despite Ice Melts to Water in 0 Degrees Celcius)

X · May 2, 2025, 2:21 PM

[astral kelp]

makes sense im used to seeing jacks team lol

[solid frigate]

i always run Slow Ogre anyway

+Miraidon

[astral kelp]

fucking hate origin pulse

and missipice blades

[solid frigate]

i think during in a private tournament against Koraidon Lunala i just use Ice Beam 70% of the time cuz i have P2 Hands

[jade dust]

Its like hydropump

the 85% accuracy is a scam

More like 50%

[solid frigate]

Hydro Pump is good against Wide Guard but yeah for me

Just Surging Strikes the Living heck on everything

[jade dust]

I hate using it too

[jade dust]

Idk where I would put wide guard either tbh

[solid frigate]

at least my luxury is that i am using My best archetype

[jade dust]

Protect is needed for Lunala

And need calm mind too to deal damage

[tiny karma]

Move: Sky Attack

Has a 30% chance to make the target flinch and a higher chance for a critical hit. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

140

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

Why not just Meteor Beam+Wide Guard-

[astral kelp]

calm mind is legit worthless in reg i

[jade dust]

The spc def buff makes the difference against caly s, miradion and kyoger

[solid frigate]

for most of the mon yeah

Kyogre i'd argue still have use but you want Mystic Water or Scarf or AV as Priority

[astral kelp]

it was okay in reg G with terapagos who is TANKY as balls but in reg i it just dies

[jade dust]

And meteor beam is a dead slot once used

[astral kelp]

you only need to use it once

[jade dust]

you can click calm mind twice

[solid frigate]

Bro i use both Meteor Beam and Calm Mind during early days of Reg G

[jade dust]

if the situation allows it

[solid frigate]

its only for Incin lmao

[astral kelp]

ayo both thats funny as hell

[jade dust]

Yeah and for that I have koraidon

Or rilla

Rilla beat incin in the fake out war

then u turn

[astral kelp]

does -1 non stab high horse power rillaboom kill incin

[solid frigate]

if you see me during early day of reg G i was trying to cook until Miraidon won worlds and i just use Miraidon,CIR and Kyogre for the rest of reg G

[solid frigate]

nope

[jade dust]

nah

[solid frigate]

neutral doesn't even kill it-

[jade dust]

it leaves it with like 45% HPish

at -1

[astral kelp]

the problem with incin for your team is that knock off just like one taps lunala

thats one of the big reasons you want meteor beam

[jade dust]

I mean I can protect lunala and u turn away and bring koaridon

And now he's checkmate

[solid frigate]

Lunala at least live one but yeah Meteor beam stonks are gonna rise just to beat Incin and the genies

[left bobcat]

WOOOO chat am I late to the party?

Reg g is finally overrrrr

[jade dust]

Im still learning this team since I made it just yesterday

[astral kelp]

istg land has the most annoying typing to deal with

[left bobcat]

Wooooooo 🎉🎊

[solid frigate]

you are late for ummm

3 days

[jade dust]

But so far the more annoying things is caly ice

[left bobcat]

Huh-

[jade dust]

And Ho Oh surprisingly

[left bobcat]

3 days?

[jade dust]

Idk why Ho Oh

[astral kelp]

ogerpon-c

[astral kelp]

ogerpon-c

[left bobcat]

Damn I had like back to back exams this week

[astral kelp]

[jade dust]

Lol

[astral kelp]

its so good

[jade dust]

@solid frigate wanna play a few rounds?

[left bobcat]

Torrent do you want to come over and- PLAY

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 212 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice in Rain on a critical hit: 156-186 (77.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 140 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Rain on a critical hit: 258-306 (133.6 - 158.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

YOU FOOL

I HAVE 70 ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF THE HONSE

[solid frigate]

still busy on HSR and Blog writing