competitive_discussion

[astral kelp]

its kind of a generic rilla set i found online

i think most used on munchstats

[charred saddle]

how is it ur set if ur getting it of minchstats

also since u dont have any speed control what benefit do you get? close to nothing

unless ur outspeedingn certain 110ish mons

the only speed control is TR

which also means having speedier mon doesnt really benefit u

[astral kelp]

ye makes sense

thought so

im thinking i should try to ev to live unboosted glacial lance?

if thats livable

and pout the rest into attack

164+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Rillaboom: 186-218 (89.8 - 105.3%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO ehhh

[charred saddle]

thats up to you

[astral kelp]

im not too familiar with rilla :/

[charred saddle]

speed calc is always like very case by case especially for a slower mons

[exotic grotto]

Try to Eevee to live unboosted Glacial Lance? What do you mean by that?

[charred saddle]

like u want to outspeed the cerees miraidon, u still dont outspeed csr

[bold geode]

Just saw this
Crazy shit

[charred saddle]

so its ur choice

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-monkey-running-monkey-little-monkey-stucksixteen-gif-26340873

[astral kelp]

is that a non max speed mirai set?

[charred saddle]

ye

[astral kelp]

i def need to outspeed incin

[bold geode]

This roll is unoptimal, but the Def EVs are wasting here anyways as 108 achieves same stuff

[astral kelp]

good point

[astral kelp]

does anyone run jolly incin

uh

[bold geode]

Idt any have in I tbh

[astral kelp]

eving into speed is just kinda not worth it at all lmao

[bold geode]

At least not ones I've come across

[astral kelp]

no one runs min speed kyogre right

[bold geode]

Nope

[astral kelp]

yeah fuck it imma just go no speed

[charred saddle]

just put 1 speed extra

to outspeed no speed rilla

[bold geode]

Yeah if you wanna go bulky just like 4 speed is fine

[astral kelp]

alright sounds good

52+ atk seems to hit a lot of damage brackets already

[spiral ridge]

Wouldn’t you wanna underspeed for terrain?

[bold geode]

I usually just hit bumps for Rilla
Like 36+ or 116+

[lofty tartan]

Dude it was insane

[bold geode]

It's a Rillaboom

[charred saddle]

to outspeed opposing rilla.

[spiral ridge]

Oh sorry I saw indeedee highlighted

[charred saddle]

but also indeedeeF is inherently slower

[lofty tartan]

I just got out of my phone interview. That situation probably helped me smoke it

[charred saddle]

so even no speed rilla still loses terrain to indee

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 876: Indeedee-F

Types

Psychic/Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Synchronize, Psychic Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/55/65/95/105/85

Total

475

Base Species

Indeedee

Sableye version 4.28.2

[spiral ridge]

Holy shit

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

"Bruh imma be honest, fuck shit happens at my job, I need to get outta here"

[charred saddle]

nvm i never realized its same

always thought its slower

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I thought we were talking indeedee speed which is why I said wouldn’t you want no speed

[astral kelp]

152+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider in Grassy Terrain: 157-186 (87.7 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO lmao i could ev to gamba kill csr

[charred saddle]

i mean indeedee will def no speed

[bold geode]

Indeedee is same? Wow

[lofty tartan]

She asked if I had safety or security experience and I brought that situation up and explained what happened and what I did and everything and she's like "so that's crazy. Wow. Can you be available for a second interview this week?"

[charred saddle]

so its 5050ig

or run min speed rilla 😭

[bold geode]

Tbh though I have never ever had an Indeedee outspeed a Rilla without speed control

[lofty tartan]

So we in

[bold geode]

I see

[lofty tartan]

I have to take care all of the security and stuff at my job solo so it helped me kinda edge my way in for sure

[astral kelp]

what are the physical threats rilla should be scared off>?

[lofty tartan]

Circle Ks get robbed a lot

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 123-145 (59.4 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

like even with 4 defence it comfortably lives everything i can think off

other than glacial lance

[bold geode]

Glacial Lance can usually require a Tera anyways

[astral kelp]

76+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO actually this is something i could try to ev for

[bold geode]

4 Def is fine, I would just worry about investing the Spdef side
You can always tweak the spread later

[bold geode]

Yeah that is

[spiral ridge]

Could be but with high crit chance it’s also gambling a good bit

[astral kelp]

76+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Rillaboom: 182-216 (87.9 - 104.3%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO uts a kuttke ufft but this is something pretty cool

[solid frigate]

usually go for 156 but depends on the spread cuz i run oddly low Attack on Rilla

[astral kelp]

its a little iffy i cannot type

[astral kelp]

what am i scared of on the special side even?

heat wave maybe?

[bold geode]

So just a note
Optimally you want the roll to be 1/16 if even a roll (though I've personally done 1/8 before)

[lofty tartan]

Ice Beam, Astral Barrage, Chi-Yu

[astral kelp]

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 92 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 144-170 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery thats okay

i will always die to overheat tho

[solid frigate]

Rilla Lives an boosted Expanding Force Right

[astral kelp]

ye

[bold geode]

Also for Spdef yeah Astral Barrage, Chi Yu, Ice Beam
The Spdef is a little lower so you kinda just do like Hands sometimes

[solid frigate]

cuz i see Lunala running them more often anyway

[lofty tartan]

Chi-Yu as a unit

[astral kelp]

``52+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 112-133 (62.5 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO`

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

Overheat Rilla never lives

[lofty tartan]

Nope

[astral kelp]

wait wrong one

[solid frigate]

I lost to Chi Yu when i am facing Against Yotam on Honse Battle ;-;

[astral kelp]

i meant to show this

[lofty tartan]

Chi-Yu is so good in this reg

[astral kelp]

nah dude like av rilla is SO specially bulky

there isnt much that kills it

[bold geode]

What item is this?

[astral kelp]

lorb

[solid frigate]

would Rinya sun work in this reg tho

Just replace Zard with Chi Yu

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[astral kelp]

in psychic terrain

[exotic grotto]

Is Astral Barrage the signature move of Calyrex Ice?

[bold geode]

You can EV Rilla to take a 3HKO from Barrage then

[opal inlet]

shadow

[solid frigate]

Shadow rider

[lofty tartan]

Could try it but unsure

[astral kelp]

good idea!

[opal inlet]

glacial lance is ice sig

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

fyomin has given 1 Gen Rep to banyzadclovis

[lofty tartan]

Chi-Yu definitely more of a force than Zard

Chi-Yu in sun slaps

[astral kelp]

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 156 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 87-103 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO sounds good

im gonna wood hammer anways tbh

[solid frigate]

i was thinking about it yesterday cuz god damn i ran out of conventional ideas

[lofty tartan]

252 choice specs beads of Ruin overheat in sun

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[solid frigate]

a Nuclear Fish

[lofty tartan]

I like scarf Chi-Yu though

[astral kelp]

and ev to kill csr with wood hammer + grassy glide like a decent amount of time

sounds good?

[bold geode]

Ope I almost forgot
Also a rudamentary thing just as a little optimization note
You want the final stat of your Spdef on AV Pokemon to be an even number

[solid frigate]

i think Sash works just as fine to beat Zamazenta

[bold geode]

Which you achieved

[astral kelp]

oh right i didnt even consider that

[lofty tartan]

Scarf just edges it out against CSR

[astral kelp]

arent evs always even nubers tho?

[bold geode]

Though make that Atk 92 and put 4 Speed EVs

[astral kelp]

multiples of 4

oh wait no the final number im dumb nvm

[bold geode]

I'm talking about the final stats

[solid frigate]

yeah true

Especially Sun can’t run the funny Scarf Shifu in rain

[lofty tartan]

If it's even you don't lose any remainder when you add the vest bonus

If it's odd you get a bit rounded down

[bold geode]

But yeah do this cuz 96 Atk EVs is wasting
When making EVs you always either have to invest in 3 or 5 stats

[lofty tartan]

Pokémon always rounds down

[solid frigate]

in Pokemon,we always round down

which is kinda weird

[astral kelp]

I CLICKED THE SHUT DOWN BUTTONG WITH MY FOOT ACCIDENTALLY HOW THE FUCK

[bold geode]

In Pokemon we always round down instead of getting the beef

[lofty tartan]

At least it's a consistent rule

[exotic grotto]

Does that means damage numbers like 0.5 don't exist?

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[lofty tartan]

Correct

[bold geode]

Bitch is it a foot pedal

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1745415080:R>.

[lofty tartan]

No decimal results exist. It rounds down

[solid frigate]

funny thing is if you got 1 stage if SpDef Drop on AV Mon it only loses 1 point of SpD lmao

[lofty tartan]

Like damage probably different I'm talking stats

[astral kelp]

IT'S SO FAR OFF THE GROUND TOO

[lofty tartan]

You have decimals of percentage rather in hp

[astral kelp]

So ground judt autocorrected to Groudon help

[lofty tartan]

But that's not something you're getting tracked from the game. It's more for calcs

[bold geode]

OH LMAO

[astral kelp]

I'm talking to Connor too much

[solid frigate]

bad idea i assume

[astral kelp]

Oh thank god I didnt lose anything on visual studio

[astral kelp]

I see groudon jn my dreams now

[lofty tartan]

He's in everyone's dreams

[solid frigate]

not me cuz i am a Rain Hardliner

[astral kelp]

Give been playing pokemon all day the 12 fps my switch gets is legit making me feel physically sick

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz that's the place where he's actually viable

[astral kelp]

LOL

[solid frigate]

Wait until someone tries Rinya sun again in the first Reg I tour

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[lofty tartan]

Low effort

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire Earthquake vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 146-174 (80.6 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

look all im saying is

[astral kelp]

💀💀

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire High Horsepower vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 186-218 (102.7 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

https://tenor.com/view/deer-coffee-machine-deer-my-deer-friend-nokotan-gif-40057862468207753

[astral kelp]

I mean miraidon is just gonna volt switch anyways 💀💀💀

[opal inlet]

ground mon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1275901615492305017/1292778727125680149/IMG_6426.gif

[astral kelp]

Oh yeah you can just protect the other Mon true

[opal inlet]

this hill is not worth dying on but its funny as hell

[astral kelp]

Bro I love clodsire

What a peak Mon

[opal inlet]

I LOVE CLODSIRE

yes draco meteor ohkos it but thats irrelevant

[astral kelp]

We be yawning

[opal inlet]

clodsire is better in singles yes but i want to play him in vgc no matter how dogshit he is here

this will not work in the slightest

[astral kelp]

i was balling this for a while

[left bobcat]

🥱

[lofty tartan]

Hey you've crossed the biggest hurdle

[astral kelp]

it was really funnyu

[opal inlet]

origin palkia????

[astral kelp]

we be surfin

[opal inlet]

monstrosity

literally only palkia o as a sweeper 😭 😭

[astral kelp]

better than regular palkia at least lmao

[astral kelp]

i mean its just stall lol

[bold geode]

Rn I'd say regular Palkia is better

[astral kelp]

really??

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

Sableye version 4.28.2

[opal inlet]

what hurdle is that

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

why???

trick room?

[lofty tartan]

Knowing that he's terrible and playing it anyway

You recognize the facts so go ahead and rock it xD

[astral kelp]

🔥

[spiral ridge]

I helped lead him in some games and I’ll be real
I didn’t bring that bitch more than like twice 😭

It’s like

Kinda anti whimsi rilla lol

[lofty tartan]

Poor Clod

[left bobcat]

It’s always poor clod but never RICH 🤑 CLOD

[opal inlet]

rilla is such a wall

its so maddening but at least ice rider threatens him

[left bobcat]

A wall you say?

[lofty tartan]

Clod lives a life of vgc poverty

[left bobcat]

Like- THAT kind of wall?

[opal inlet]

what kind of wall

[left bobcat]

You know THE WALL

[opal inlet]

i need a sped up gif of THE WALL to understand

[opal inlet]

indeed

[spiral ridge]

Band poison jab or whatever should hurt them a lot

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire Poison Jab vs. 244 HP / 20 Def Rillaboom: 168-198 (81.5 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

true !

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 168-200 (81.1 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[astral kelp]

wtf why is astral barrage randomly doing way less damage

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

Just don’t lock EQ when rilla on enemy team

[astral kelp]

wtf????

it bugged out okay hahah

[astral kelp]

btw what i just ball roar instead of foul play lmao

i really need more ways to deal with getting encore locked on the toitle

or even uproar because terapagos gets slept for free

kinda late for sthese second thoughts tho lol

[bold geode]

There is
A fuck ton of support here
But looks fine since Terapagos teams do that anyways
Though Clear Smog is fake AF, just go Protect there

[bold geode]

Also Sitrus Berry on Comfey is probably better

Honestly I'd just go like Cornerstone Ogerpon over Amoongus here to try and have at least a lil more offense over support here

[astral kelp]

this is offensive comfey lol

[bold geode]

That isn't a thing

[astral kelp]

im making it a thing B)

it got me to like 1450 so i decided to bring it to a tournament lol

[bold geode]

Comfey is a way better support piece

[astral kelp]

well yeah obviously but this is fun haha\

[bold geode]

Well then I guess go for it
Just saying it's better as support
As someone who has used it

[astral kelp]

havent even comented on the calm mind yet

[astral kelp]

yeah ive used it a lot i know dw

[astral kelp]

i would say urshifu tbh its a bit too late to change now tho

also the only reason im going smog is because this is like a less serious tournament so theres prolly gonna be dozo giri and that kind of stuff

tho yeah redirection you right

redirecting spore is pretty huge

im kinda nervous tbh i have no idea what happens in a tournament ;-;

[bold geode]

If you're worried there go like Sludge Bomb honestly
Cuz a lot of em go Tera Grass anyways to dodge Spore so then you hit them with STAB SE move that actually chunks

[astral kelp]

oh yeah my team has no other ways to hit grass types too that sounds like a good idea

0 SpA Amoonguss Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 68-84 (32.8 - 40.5%) -- 31.25% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
thats really respectable

man i wish i could use wisp AND taunt on incin

im still pretty scared of encore

but im also scared of close combat

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/5583e69ebbd5ebc7 hmm what if fairy tera clodsire

not optimal but theres a lot of dragons so maybe fairy tera tera blast

[bold geode]

Maybe

[opal inlet]

i mean realistically fairy and steel tera are also going to rise in popularity as well to tank fairy tera blast

since dragons are a good amount of the restricteds

[bold geode]

Tera Fairy will

[opal inlet]

but i have high horsepower and poison jab

[bold geode]

But that's usually the dragons themselves like Mirai and Raging Bolt

[opal inlet]

we go tera fairy and ots them in showdown

theyre see tera fairy tera blast and poison jab

[bold geode]

Me see

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire Poison Jab vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Tera Fairy Miraidon: 156-186 (86.1 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fairy Clodsire Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 156-186 (86.1 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

Damn it doesn't even get there LMFAO

[opal inlet]

theres a chance

and thats good enough

[real prairie]

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[bold geode]

This is news

Imma go ahead and pin that just cuz it's info

Actually lemme

Next Grand Challenge chat
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X · Apr 23, 2025, 4:50 PM

[tranquil kraken]

do we get shiny miraidon for this

[bold geode]

Probably not knowing them

[tranquil kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-wolf-silver-wolf-kafka-kiryu-gif-43928760922567414

[bold geode]

Nope
Same as rewards

[spiral ridge]

Yakuza or nothing

[real prairie]

Scarf Kyogre, imprison CIR, grand challenge ain't ready for it!

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[tranquil kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[bold geode]

I honestly feel like if anything they'd probably tie shiny bikes to raids

Like it wouldn't surprise me

[spiral ridge]

Or game stop

[real prairie]

It won't be a competitive award as that's too small a pool of player base

[bold geode]

I keep forgetting we resurrected Game Stop

[spiral ridge]

Lmfao I forget too

[bold geode]

That shit was fucking hilarious

[mighty stump]

who made u orange

cringe

imagine being helper

[bold geode]

Ikr who would ever

Actually wait

@dull ibex lookie here eh

[bold geode]

Anyways how doing Tofu

[bold geode]

Run away Ili quick

[tranquil kraken]

Tofu can't hurt me

[real prairie]

oh valid, GG on the promotion Monke

[dull ibex]

Wow this server has bad taste /j

[bold geode]

LOL

Honestly I wasn't gonna tell you and see how long it took for ya to notice but I forget you abandon comp for years

[dull ibex]

I'll be back for champions

[bold geode]

@torn parrot sneaking around

[bold geode]

Bruh waiting for Pokemon like GTA 6

[dull ibex]

I've been on San andreas speaking of gta

[bold geode]

I know my Switch keeps telling me nonstop about that while I'm getting my ass railed in Mario Kart

[dull ibex]

I need to 1v1 you in Mario kart

[bold geode]

Ah yes the fattest mid off the world will see

[dull ibex]

Are you getting world?

[bold geode]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Idk actually
Maybe

[dull ibex]

I might try to get the bundle

[bold geode]

I'm not buying the Switch 2 at release probably

[dull ibex]

Dang

[bold geode]

Waiting for the hype to not be at peak that way it's not as hard to get one cuz I feel like same shit could happen to it like the PS5

[dull ibex]

Yeah maybe

[bold geode]

And if it does, I don't wanna have to pay an extra 200 bucks for it like I had to for my PS5

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fairy Clodsire Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 276-328 (157.7 - 187.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fairy Clodsire High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Koraidon: 164-194 (93.7 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Clodsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Koraidon: 174-206 (99.4 - 117.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

im telling you monke its possible

[bold geode]

Lol

[mighty stump]

busy as fuck

[bold geode]

I see
You're up early
Vet stuff?

[mighty stump]

How well do you take Flare Blitz

[mighty stump]

Monster Hunter

Lol

[bold geode]

LMAO
Focusing a lil more on another game too?

[mighty stump]

I have like no motivation nto play Reg I at the moment just because work is so busy and Pokemon makes me use my brain sometimes

So I want something where brain off mode

Also spending time with my girlfriend

[bold geode]

Right
Me personally I've had the Rivals kick but yeah completely understand that

Might play Pokemon Moon
Idfk
I also wanna maybe do some content for Reg I but idk if I wanna do something now or wait til Milwaukee

[mighty stump]

Im just chilling after my disastrous NPAA performance

[bold geode]

No playoffs?

[mighty stump]

No we did

Fumbled my match though

[bold geode]

Damn

[mighty stump]

Just wasnt in the best space

[bold geode]

Tbf Reg G also just
Meh
I think in the second half I honestly did way worse

I'm hoping Reg I is a lil different but so far
Haven't really settled fully on a direction I wanna commit to so

[chrome knot]

@bold geode hello competitive helper how do i build for milwaukee

[mighty stump]

Ho-Oh Kyurem trust

[bold geode]

So what you do right
Is you take a fuckin horse
And you slap it with something else
Pen Pineapple Apple Pen, you know the rest

[chrome knot]

so we should demote both of you and find someone new

[bold geode]

@mighty stump my mind yesterday made a remix of PPAP with the classic 2 for 1 combo

[chrome knot]

[bold geode]

I'm new to this store ma'am, you're gonna have to speak to my managers

[chrome knot]

@merry summit can we demote monke

[bold geode]

Ummm frfr umm
Look at VR results
Those teams actually like
Pretty solid

LMFAO WHY IS THAT THEIR PING

[chrome knot]

LOL

peeah is unhinged

[bold geode]

But yeah solid teams in the last VR tour
Could probably work something off something there

[chrome knot]

but

its all csr zam!

[bold geode]

Also a pretty dominant CSR Zam team to prep into

[chrome knot]

and a really finicky version of it

[bold geode]

There was some Mirai CIR
Korai Lunala
I also saw Mirai Zam
Mirai Ogre

I also kinda like not Shohei's version (though it is good) but the other one that the Sudoz guy had

[solid frigate]

what are you cooking-

lol

[solid frigate]

did i hear my boi

[bold geode]

Also I fuck with Ho Oh so

[bold geode]

Yeah it had a giraffe

[solid frigate]

god damn it

[chrome knot]

im just unsure what yhe call is

and i kinda needa be sure bc i have to get it in game soon

[bold geode]

Tbf
Idt there truly IS a call

[chrome knot]

i have to headcanon a meta

im going to first reg of season

i need some form of an idea that isnt just go gambling

[bold geode]

You need plot armor?

[bold geode]

Idt picking anything honestly will be go gambling for Milwaukee
Either cuz anything could win probably or the possibility that everyone is sorta gambling

[solid frigate]

there's a lot of sun in this victory road challenge tho

[solid frigate]

shi-

[atomic mural]

one has deltarune one doesn't

[bold geode]

Yeah Rain could work
But also it didn't do as well in VR
It'll be good for Milwaukee but stats are saying otherwise

[opal inlet]

uhhh w tera fire or just base korai

[chrome knot]

dyt cir mirai ursaluna & pieces to support csr zam mu would work

[bold geode]

Check both and check differences between ClAm and Lorb

[solid frigate]

i think Rain would still be threatening enough to make appearence

[bold geode]

I think possibly yeah
Valiant was on the Mirai CIR teams too

[bold geode]

It will for sure

Zac Ogre more than likely

@mighty stump what think about Mirai Ogre

[solid frigate]

like Kyogre has like really good Partners anyways

Both Honse,Zacian and Miraidon

is there more wait hold up-

[opal inlet]

clear am - guaranteed 2hko w no tera fire, guaranteed ohko w tera
lorb - 68.8% ohko chance w no tera, guaranteed ohko w tera

[bold geode]

So you'd be leaning on Trick Room more probably there cuz most the time especially against Ice Rider you're gonna be dealing with that tera unless they Tera a Brute Bonnet to eat a Glacial

Or especially since you'd be using Ice Rider

[opal inlet]

i do have raging but i feel its not enough

[bold geode]

But yeah for Clod to do decent into Korai, TR would need to be up or you'd need to protect it with redirection (Indeedee)

[solid frigate]

just bike Killers anyway

[opal inlet]

100+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon: 148-175 (84.5 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO yeah im cooked vs korai 😭 😭

[bold geode]

That's a chunk

But you can play around that for sure

[opal inlet]

wait nvm that was set up wrong i forgot to set doubles lvl 50

100+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Koraidon: 294-348 (143.4 - 169.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[bold geode]

Ice Rider usually has a good MU into Koraidon, you just need to make sure you can deal with the secondary efficiently

[opal inlet]

100+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 296-350 (169.1 - 200%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[bold geode]

Aka the Lunala or CSR that are run with the Koraidon now

Now the tera

[opal inlet]

w tera fire

100+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon: 148-175 (84.5 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

100+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon: 147-174 (71.7 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

That's fine
Mainly cuz you also have Helping Hand if you can work it in there or other options to play around

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349248443-3v8gdindxk7uo0kg6bs8pdnvhn6mh7bpw maybe this idk

im 11xx so no idea yet lmao

[bold geode]

Which side

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Shadow [Psychic/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.5x)

Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (4x)

Dark, Ghost

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

Oh the Mirai CIR I'm dumb

[solid frigate]

the fact that Miraidon lived by 2%

[chrome knot]

looked at calc lol

[opal inlet]

we ball my lunala hits both for 2x

its also min speed so in tr unless theyre also running min speed lunala i go first

[bold geode]

Actually forgor
Apparently Alex Underhill played that team on stream, he copied HP stats and while idr all of them, I know the Miraidon was max HP

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349252297-2rug202m4tx2p0syeomguin7iljw9pfpw

THANK YOU KYOGRE

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349256728-8u928ma6r1dfk7eolo1av80sevoasq5pw

very cool

[craggy dagger]

-# i dont actually know what im doing lol

[solar mirage]

[bold geode]

LOL fuck yeah

[solid frigate]

good god lmao

[craggy dagger]

think of it like dusk mane + kyogre but it’s solgaleo instead lol

[bold geode]

LOL

[solid frigate]

i remember something

That pair did made it into FFinals in one of the HK tournaments lmao

[craggy dagger]

it’s a good duo imo
just hard to position

[near crag]

Do y’all think lunala should be fast in koraidon teams? Cuz it wants moongheist, and ideally tr, wide guard, moonlight, protect, and maybe even expanding force or moonblast. So maybe to get around it just use moongheist, moonlight, prot, wide guard? Or using it in a tailroom mode, and dropping stuff like prot or moonlight works best?

[foggy lodge]

Moonlight is bad on Lunala

The other moves are better

It depends on the team because I tried Koraidon Lunala and I used wide guard moongeist meteor beam moonblast

But other teams can use trick room

[forest arrow]

Even when running TR Lunala tho you can still invest in a little speed to outspeed max speed incins with meteor beam sets it’s helpful

[bold geode]

No moonlight
But you can have a bit of speed on it
But yeah what they're saying tracks so

[forest arrow]

Still so proud of you babe, congrats again

[bold geode]

Thx

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349328700-u5hre8qv5j4edyvnnqldv8phvslbycnpw

cir mirai does feel good yeagh

[dense latch]

ooo i love this cir mirai team

how's csr zama been for u if you've played any

[chrome knot]

i cannot seem to learn it

well enough to say im confident in bringing it to official events

[dense latch]

i got my lines off the team creator's vod of their vr run

[craggy dagger]

[near crag]

Got this standard lil lunadon (mirai), and just wanted to know if anyone has any improvement ideas: https://pokepast.es/2d0baa8d88fbe34c Thanks in advance

[lofty tartan]

Looks pretty fine for a team

[chrome knot]

??

[craggy dagger]

[fringe fossil]

https://pokepast.es/c50b5a6cfe2a3839
Would any pokemon here benefit from switching out a move with wide guard? Im looking to switch out a move somewhere to better combat CSR which has been a big issue. I also dont know if any of these mons can learn it

like maybe putting it on lunala instead of expanding force

[bold geode]

Lunala already has the WG on it so yeah
But also better question
Why is there a Regirock?

[fringe fossil]

yea I swapped it out with expanding force. and to answer your quesiton.. Yes.

[solid frigate]

thats not the first time he build one-

[fringe fossil]

its been on all the teams ive been building Im really trying to make it work

probably top 3 favorite pokemon

[fringe fossil]

this is actually the same team I probably sent here last but I changed out farig for lunala to use it in reg I

[dense latch]

honestly think berries are not great in any format with calyrex

even more so when like 70% of teams have one in reg i

[opal inlet]

weakness policy and no max spd min atk scarf surf dragault smh

this is NOT the second coming of dragalossal

[fringe fossil]

lowkey ur so right

[solid frigate]

Dragapult is just god no in this format

[bold geode]

You do know it's bad right and that it's gonna be harder to pull off wins with it right

[fringe fossil]

yeah I know im not gonna cope forever. Once i lock in ill have to get rid of him

[opal inlet]

i feel like regirock weakness policy by itself needs smth to proc wp though

iron bundle lowk could work but nobody use that shit 😭

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock on a critical hit: 156-192 (83.4 - 102.6%) -- 0.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock in Rain on a critical hit: 240-288 (128.3 - 154%) -- guaranteed OHKO

crack the rock up

[opal inlet]

he lives urshi rapid

good enough

[tiny karma]

Regirock [Rock]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

well not really lmao

156+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Regirock in Rain: 230-272 (122.9 - 145.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[opal inlet]

damn

[solid frigate]

yeah i am not putting my money on it

[bold geode]

Ok
But you're just wanting to mess around with Regirock I'm guessing

[fringe fossil]

yeah

[fringe fossil]

sturdy

[opal inlet]

weakness policy isnt it i feel if he gets ohko’d by water spout

oh yeah sturdy

[solid frigate]

double up moment time

[opal inlet]

vro prolly only gonna get like one hit in before death though 😭

[fringe fossil]

thats where the prayers come in

[bold geode]

Aight let's uh
Let's see what we can do here

[fringe fossil]

thats his job (make one really funny kill and then get obliterated)

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 377: Regirock

Type

Rock

Abilities

Clear Body, Sturdy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/200/50/100/50

Total

580

Weight (Low Kick BP)

230kg (120 BP)

Height

1.7m

Introduced

Generation 3

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Brown

Sableye version 4.28.2

Regirock's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Dig, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Power-Up Punch, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, Thunder Punch

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Earth Power, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mud-Slap, Power Gem, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Block, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Iron Defense, Lock-On, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Regirock.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[opal inlet]

if we’re going meme strats proc wp w iron bundle then swap to flutter as regirock self destructs

https://tenor.com/view/deer-coffee-machine-deer-my-deer-friend-nokotan-gif-40057862468207753

[left bobcat]

DID SOMEONE SAY IRON BUNDLE?

[solid frigate]

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Regirock: 202-236 (108 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kirby Super Abilities theme playing

[opal inlet]

i havent seen bundle used since like reg d lowk

[left bobcat]

I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[bold geode]

Y'know what
This build is probably fine but I wouldn't go for Weakness Policy stuff tbh

[opal inlet]

flip turn max speed scarf bundle

[solid frigate]

just run IDBP on Regirock

But results i rather using Registeel for it

[bold geode]

I'd go like Tera Grass maybe
Rock Slide
Body Press
Protect and maybe Heavy Slam?

And go with like Lefties maybe? That's best I got

[opal inlet]

max def max spdef

[bold geode]

EVs should be fine

Other than that, Incin wants Safety Goggles and I'd rather see a Booster Energy Icy Wind Flutter Mane here over a Specs one

[fringe fossil]

realistically regirock will never work. He does no dmg even when its supereffective and yeah he can tank a hit from time to time in the end its not worth it 90% of the time. Ive slowly stopped bringing him in it. I kinda wanna change him out but I dont really know what I would benefit most from

[opal inlet]

offensive flutter i havent seen in a while

i havent seen flutter in a while either

[fringe fossil]

yeah I feel kinda limited with specs imma give that a try and after u said berries are bad I put goggles on it

[bold geode]

👍

Just go like
Moonblast Shadow Ball Icy Wind Protect with like
Tera Normal or Tera Grass

[fringe fossil]

🫡

[lofty tartan]

Probs tera normal honestly right now

[foggy lodge]

Cuz most people in reg I are using reg G teams but putting a CSR over Flutter

So its like "why would I use flutter when I can use CSR"

And also Flutter loses the trade too often against CSR even with the speed boost

[next stump]

focus sash tera normal flutter is such a nuisance for caly-s teams to deal with

[foggy lodge]

with koraidon yeah

[bold geode]

Ayo Dillon what you running?

[foggy lodge]

Like wolfey's set

[next stump]

miraidon/caly-s looking like what i will bring to milwaukee

[solid frigate]

ok at least Miraidon is here

I'm fine with it

[bold geode]

I see
We love to see it

[foggy lodge]

which comp?

I used Miraidon CSR with Dozogiri lol

[next stump]

the other pieces are still being tested

i am sworn to secrecy by a few friends who are bringing the same team

our item choices are gonna be super weird but hopefully strong

[solid frigate]

pls not Scarf Mirai-

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-hehe-evil-plans-patrick-star-rubbing-hands-gif-16206369

[lofty tartan]

Savage

[foggy lodge]

btw https://www.youtube.com/live/6QOnWraimI8?si=FKc7l5eQZbh8wKMI

The event that ends reg G

[opal inlet]

hmm

chat imagine the funny if you scarf urshi single wicked blow csr

[next stump]

OMG THERES A REGIONAL THIS WEEKEND?!

LETS GO

totally thought we were done

[solid frigate]

pls don't hurt my soul Dillon-

[solid frigate]

i totally forgot

[solid frigate]

nah Water is more funny

[rustic mountain]

y would u want another reg g regional

this format has had way too many already

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 140 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Rain on a critical hit: 192-228 (99.4 - 118.1%) -- 99.8% chance to OHKO

[next stump]

as long as anything but zamazenta wins i’m happy

[rustic mountain]

y would zama win

[solid frigate]

bro is hating on Shield Doggo ;-;

[opal inlet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Unaware Clodsire High Horsepower vs. 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 108-128 (60 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[next stump]

single most boring pokemon ever

sits in the same slot all game clicking a move with a terrible animation

[bold geode]

BRO'S HATING ON MY GOAT SMFH

[rustic mountain]

zamas kinda fallen off in reg g 2 anyway

[bold geode]

Chat
Friendship over with Dillon /j

[opal inlet]

i have not seen zacian in a hot minute

[lofty tartan]

Clod is fine outside of actually being used. lol

[rustic mountain]

i think the zacian nerfs caught up w/ it even in dres. its just not as flexible as it once was given u get +1 atk once and if u switch or get intimidated thats it. i dont think its bad per say but its got a lot of competition

[bold geode]

Zac Ogre is good but like other than that idk yeah

[rustic mountain]

even zac ogre isnt actually as good as ppl initially thought myself included

[bold geode]

Yeah
Not the best but I still think it's a strong option

[opal inlet]

i also havent as seen much terapagos

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont see it. i have it more as an upper middle tier

[opal inlet]

i still dont have any fucking clue how it works lmao but we ball

[rustic mountain]

its better then a lot of other average combos but seems to fall short in face of actual strong duos

[bold geode]

Though none made day 2 of last VR tour, but like with all the Sun+ that, eh maybe it does idk

I know Zac Ogre got #1 on Reg I BO3 ladder a bit back

[rustic mountain]

the sun guys are really strong

[opal inlet]

sun has also gotten a buff no

with korai dropping

[rustic mountain]

in a way yea its nice ur sun setter doesnt take 50% from kyogre

[opal inlet]

hes not like game changing but hes a better option than groudon

[tiny karma]

Koraidon [Fighting/Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fire, Grass, Rock, Water

Neutral damage

Fighting, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Flying, Ice, Psychic

Weak (4x)

Fairy

Sableye version 4.28.2

[opal inlet]

awesome resists

maybe i could run sun w clod

since he doesnt have water absorb

one spout and its over for my goat

[rustic mountain]

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/7b61ecda9e2742f2 issue: both the sun setters do not work in hard tr

theyre faster than kyogre

i could run a sunmy day mf but that shit is not worth

[craggy dagger]

you play competitive pokemon??

[opal inlet]

no lmao i havent touched showdown in a month

im js making a clod team for when i do decide to play it for like a day or two

[craggy dagger]

[opal inlet]

never touching cart

[craggy dagger]

haha
that’s fair

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger gib good luck

i cannot find shiny valiant

[craggy dagger]

sending you the shiny luck i have that’s collecting dust in the far corner of my brain

[chrome knot]

NOIVA WTF

[craggy dagger]

what?

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

????????????????????????????????

[craggy dagger]

heh

[chrome knot]

9atk too :o

[spiral ridge]

lmfao nice

[opal inlet]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349407455 splendid victory

[lofty tartan]

👀

[opal inlet]

lowk thought it was over when i saw wide guard but vro did not click it again

the friendly fire was lowk the only reason i was getting close to losing that one 😭 😭

[solid frigate]

tbf like 4/6 of their team weak to ground so your matchup is like

[opal inlet]

the perfect clod setup

[left bobcat]

What the helly

[astral kelp]

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Fairy Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 182-218 (103.4 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO omg maybe i go lorb

252+ SpA Life Orb Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 177-218 (100.5 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO yeah no i for sure go lorb

[cyan smelt]

Lorb comfey is not it

[astral kelp]

over fairy feather i mean

[rustic mountain]

i think moreso like, y r u using comfey as an attacker

its a healing support

[dense latch]

if only there was a pokemon that could output very fast fairy damage while actually having a respectable sp atk stat

[astral kelp]

yes yes i know

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

im comited to the max spa comfey

[rustic mountain]

if only something could be ghost/fairy w/ 135 speed and 135 sp atk and could get even faster

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/flutter-mane-pokemon-gif-13486701436511058674

[astral kelp]

comfey is like a mix special attacker and healer

[rustic mountain]

ew reg g

[astral kelp]

something about this gif feels wrong idk what it is

[forest arrow]

that ends like next week haha

[astral kelp]

yeah its a tournament

[rustic mountain]

comfey feels like it could be an urshi and ur team would just be better

[astral kelp]

definitevly

its a pet pokemon

i wanna see how well i can do with it in a tournament

[rustic mountain]

ight

cm seems troll ngl

[astral kelp]

HJAHAH yeah its so stupiod

it used to be psych up 💀

[rustic mountain]

oh god

[foggy lodge]

why would yo be life orb tera fairy with calm mind even

[astral kelp]

wdym?

[foggy lodge]

That it just overlaps

After one calm mind you should get enough

Or you are life orb or you are calm mind

[astral kelp]

oh its because i dont usually click calm mind

[foggy lodge]

And imo I wouldn't be neither

Cause Comfey is shit for damage

[astral kelp]

i just click it when i dont have to heal anyone

[foggy lodge]

The pagos team that used Comfey used draining kiss just because its a priority move and could pick up kos

Not for a weird OHKO with a mon that is not meant for damage

[astral kelp]

lol do you wanna see how the team started

[foggy lodge]

no

[astral kelp]

fair enough

usually id be running something like this

[weary fox]

https://pokepast.es/4878ad8f38db967b So my updated Kyurem White team, Zamazenta doesn't feel as valuable as I thought he would be, any reccomendations to swap him out?

Was thinking Shadow Calyrex

[muted edge]

I just got three disconnects in a row...is anyone else having server/connection issues with BSS?

[zinc umbra]

Im looking for feedback for my incineroar build. Any advice would be helpful. So this is my build

6 Best Ivs
Adamant Minted
252 Attack Stat
252 Special Def Stat
4 Speed Stat
Dark Tera type
Moveset: Bulk Up, Flame Charge (for speed boost stat, Drain Punch, Darkest Lariat
Ability: Intimidate
Hold Item: Life Orb

I have a upcoming battle against my brother ( my biggest rival ) and he likes to use special attackers .

[bold geode]

Possibly
Or maybe Lunala could put in some work, I could see it

[weary fox]

I was thinking Lunala too

Anyone else you think?

[bold geode]

Um is this singles or doubles

[zinc umbra]

Singles

[bold geode]

Lunala or possibly CSR or something if you just want to go fast hyper offense

[bold geode]

So I'm not exactly sure tbh, though idt that Incineroar was really ever good in singles to begin with

[zinc umbra]

Ahh alright . Thank you for that.

[bold geode]

Yup

[weary fox]

Is anyone able to help me in vc for building my team?

[astral kelp]

a9less kyurem white?

[lofty tartan]

A9 isn't super great in this format and is a fast weather setter, so it always loses the weather war when it isn't facing Koraidon

[astral kelp]

icic that makes sense

[cyan smelt]

torn better for kyurem

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I think Tera Fire Fusion Flare Kyurem is better than Tera fairy Tera Blast

[lofty tartan]

Yeah compresses speed control and weather

[astral kelp]

yeah i agree

[cyan smelt]

plus you can reset weather if needed

[astral kelp]

maybe i should retry kyurem without a9 then

a9 was like the biggest problem iw as having with kyurem

[lofty tartan]

A9 just needs more work

Sad truth is Kyurem is also a really greedy restricted

[astral kelp]

last time i tried him it was with gravity lmao

[cyan smelt]

tera hog

[astral kelp]

instead of snow

[astral kelp]

lol true asf

[lofty tartan]

He's a common Tera target but it's more that he need a ton of support to enact his gameplan where other restricteds need far less

[astral kelp]

actually his typing isnt the worst as far as ice types goes its like what

[lofty tartan]

Tera Hogs are common, and usually fine

[tiny karma]

Kyurem-White [Dragon/Ice]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

5 weaknesses isnt that bad \

[cyan smelt]

he's got a really bad MU against cornerstone

[astral kelp]

i mean its pretty bad but it could be worse

[lofty tartan]

Like the greedy statement wasn't about Tera anyway just that he needs massive support around him

[astral kelp]

really? i havent really felt that

[lofty tartan]

You want snow usually for blizzard, you want speed control, you gotta cover where he's weak - he's not that fast and not the most bulky

I've been messing with Kyurem since early reg G first round.

Like he doesn't come out of the gates ready to smash like Caly-S or others

[astral kelp]

as far as reg g goes i think this was my best team in reg g in general

[weary fox]

Solid line up, I was thinking of using Lunala, but how would I build him in my team

[lofty tartan]

Not sure. Lunala kinda sticks out like a sore thumb. How do you see Lunala helping beyond Wide Guard? It's good into Zamazenta but more as a wall and Zama can just target the Kyurem with body press

[weary fox]

Hm, who should I use then instead of Zama, want to swap him

[astral kelp]

feel like kyurem could be good in trick room actually lunala would help with that

[lofty tartan]

Eh. Kyurem is base 90 speed, right? Doesn't really do anything to help TR along, so you've gotta add stuff in to help him. He's at a really awkward speed tier.

[astral kelp]

yeah he really is

he does outspeed csr in trick room and in tailwind

wiith no speed investment thats actually pretty nice

[lofty tartan]

Like too fast for TR but not fast enough in TW to race other fast things if they also have speed control

And tw can be pretty common

[astral kelp]

actually im starting to really like the idea of lunala kyurem

the more i think about it

[lofty tartan]

Kyurem is a tough one. If there was a time for him to get used it's double res but it needs a lot of work.

[astral kelp]

lunala would def be better than zama and you dont really have any other better options

mayvbe miraidon? \

its not really synergy tho lol

also i will say specs kyurem was fcuking decimating everything

its so insanley strongh

[shadow wind]

Until it gets outsped by everything

[lofty tartan]

Yeah he has a high sp Atk so specs improves damage. He just doesn't play very well with others. He wants the gameplan centered around him a lot.

Honestly I think people should ditch the snow plan and lose Blizzard

[astral kelp]

yeah thats why i was trying out gravity kyurem

weather is just too annoying

[lofty tartan]

[forest arrow]

more so fusion flare ice beam freezedry/earth power

[lofty tartan]

Gravity is not what you wanna be wasting time pushing there for blizzard spams

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2349485780-itd1fhen5098faouitwq0co6dy9vvf4pw

[astral kelp]

ignore the rest of the team this was like a meme build

[shadow wind]

What a funny game that was

[gilded bane]

Yo my friend has a question but doesn't have discord

[craggy dagger]

@bold geode

[gilded bane]

His team is Cinderace, Hissuian Dicidueye, Greninja, Dusk Lycanrock, Pikachu, and Lucario, he wants to know what common pokemon can be used to take out his team

[shadow wind]

Singles or doubles?

[gilded bane]

Singles

[shadow wind]

I guess it then depends on what format

[astral kelp]

How can I tell if I have 4 speed evs?

[shadow wind]

Like OU or what

[gilded bane]

He said any

[shadow wind]

You plug it into showdown and see if they numbers match

[shadow wind]

I think Cinderace is OU but I'll double check

[astral kelp]

Wait it says 85 wtf

[shadow wind]

This is SV right?

[astral kelp]

This is saying i have 44 speed evs

Wait no 36 HOW

[shadow wind]

Is the level set right?

[astral kelp]

Oh right thanks

[gilded bane]

He said any

[shadow wind]

Well what are they playing it on

Cause if it's switch then it's BSS which is completely different from OU

[gilded bane]

Its SV

[shadow wind]

You might be better off just looking up teams cause I'll be real I'm no singles pro and especially not BSS

[astral kelp]

Wooo now all i need is the Tara pagos

All evd and all the moves set

[patent marsh]

Need help with that?

[astral kelp]

Thanks but someone is going to let me borrow theirs :)

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to kumicharizard

[astral kelp]

i just saw this james baek team

its like the idea i had but actually good lmao

how did i not think of hypnosis lunala

[lofty tartan]

If it's a team from his videos, usually those are created by other people. Not James. He just runs em

[shadow wind]

Max speed Raging bolt is sight for sore eyes

[astral kelp]

oh from the wording it seemed like he was the one that made it

[astral kelp]

yeah wtf 2 of your moves are prioritt

[shadow wind]

2?

[astral kelp]

protect and thunderclap

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t really count protect

[astral kelp]

i mean protect is a priority move right

[lofty tartan]

That wording doesn't imply he created it. He has pastes and team creator names in the description,

[shadow wind]

Yeah but you know what I meant

That’s so weird why would CSR run a priority move when it’s already so fast?

Like protect is its own thing

[astral kelp]

lol yeah true

[timber thunder]

CSR?

[lofty tartan]

Protect has a priority but isn't even treated like other priority moves, or else it'd be stopped by quick guard, queenly majesty and armor tail

[shadow wind]

Calyrex shadow rider

[astral kelp]

lmao could you imagine if armor tail stopped protect

[lofty tartan]

It would make vgc a lot worse

[shadow wind]

In that case though it’d be like considering Misty terrain Grimmsnarl not priority

[timber thunder]

Ah right the horses. I forget they exist until I see a Wolfe video

[shadow wind]

Cause terrains aren’t stopped either

[lofty tartan]

Terrain priority isn't treated the same either because it's a field effect.

[astral kelp]

he said I a lot and theres no references to other people im pretty sure he made this haha

but its inspired in an older team

[shadow wind]

It’s just a weird case all around cause it’s priority but at the same time it’s unique

[lofty tartan]

It's unique because of what you're giving priority to. Field effects are global

[shadow wind]

Also about this, I literally made a team with hypnosis Lunala and Groudon with gravity Sableye earlier this week just hated playing it

[shadow wind]

Yeah that’s what I mean it’s just a dumb situations

[astral kelp]

BRO the fucking recycling plant close to my house just LITERALLY EXPLODED

[real prairie]

I have made the realisation i now need to source a CIR for Cart for Grand Challenge....

[astral kelp]

wtf

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I need a team for that I guess

[astral kelp]

oh why?

[real prairie]

And i don't own Sword/Shield DLC

L

[astral kelp]

we got an emergency alert

to stay indoors and close our windows

[real prairie]

well... that doesn't sound very environmentally friendly

[astral kelp]

lmao wtf

[lofty tartan]

Read the description and it'll tell you if he made the team or someone else did. That's how you know when these you tubers use other people's teams (which is extremely often) or it's their own creation. I can't read the desc because my data connection at work sucks

[astral kelp]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI0jlrHpKsw/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading

[real prairie]

ironically i work for an environmental consultancy

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/426a5b8bf737c36c

[astral kelp]

oh that sounds like a cool hob

[shadow wind]

That’s the same link and it’s from the 12th

[real prairie]

its not

[astral kelp]

whats your evaluation on exploding recycling plants

[real prairie]

its not looking good brav

[shadow wind]

I’ve just thought of every single Groudon team to ever exist I guess

[astral kelp]

LOL

[astral kelp]

ive bet you havent thought of kyurem-w groudon B)

[shadow wind]

Ice Ground stabs? You bet I have

[astral kelp]

lol wait did you make a team

[lofty tartan]

You're not challenging yourself hard enough if you're thinking that

[shadow wind]

I think I did at the very beginning but scrapped it after like 3 games

[astral kelp]

dude im concerned like the fire is literally right next to my girlfriends grandmas house

[shadow wind]

I think you just underestimate my mental capacity for Groudon team compositions

[astral kelp]

like literally like 500 meters away

[lofty tartan]

I work work with the public. I underestimate people's mental capacities all the time

[shadow wind]

Slitherwing was about to make an appearance but I decided against it due to some convincing

[astral kelp]

aw really why i could see it

[real prairie]

Maybe she started it 🤷‍♂️

[astral kelp]

youre actually so real

[shadow wind]

Yknow that’s fair

[astral kelp]

her cousins are fucking devious i bet it was them

[shadow wind]

By the end of Reg I Groudon will have been buddies with probably almost every single restricted

[lofty tartan]

Use Cosmoem

[shadow wind]

Heck why not Cosmog?

Me when I use splash with the swiftness

[timber thunder]

Im just here hating my life as a breeder cause mixed attackers like Altaria, Lucario, and Infernape exist that can run both well. Kinda prepping for megas, but I feel like champions might let you customize IVs and stuff

[shadow wind]

Just use a bottle cap like the rest of us

[real prairie]

Wait, huge fire that needs resolving...

[shadow wind]

There’s no point in bellyaching about breeding when the tools for making Pokemon have never been more accessible

[timber thunder]

I hate bottle caps and also can't bottle cap 0Atk

[lofty tartan]

Altaria, Infernape and Lucario are so bad though. I don't know why anyone would spend time fretting over those, let alone using things as competitive mixed attackers.

Splitting attack stats means they're not good at either

[timber thunder]

They'll come back in champions potentially due to megas

[lofty tartan]

Mmm. Lucario yeah.

But better as a physical attacker.

Oh Altaria has a mega too but isn't it kinda cheeks?

[timber thunder]

You could run dragon dance cotton guard Altaria or go special with pixilate hyper voice

[lofty tartan]

Does mega Altaria even have Pixilate?

[timber thunder]

Mega Altaria is the only Dragon/Fairy.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah typing doesn't make a mon good

Infernape doesn't have a mega though does he?

[timber thunder]

It does. I don't remember the vgc stats of it, but it was good in singles

[lofty tartan]

Oh. Singles. So not vgc.

[timber thunder]

That it does was to mega Altaria having pixilate

Pixilate Return/Earthquake/I forgot the third move/Dragon Dance was a common set for Mega Altaria on the physical side

[astral kelp]

sounds good

[lofty tartan]

Singles is quite a different game and I have no opinions about it.

[astral kelp]

unless its scarf oger groudon will out weather

[lofty tartan]

Things thst are straight trash in vgc are often good enough for singles

[timber thunder]

I stopped playing VGC in gen 6 cause my ds died which is why I have no memory of then

[lofty tartan]

It's also not likely that we'll see any competitive attachment to Legends ZA, much like Arceus, so it'll be a whole other game before we get to Megas in competitive again

[timber thunder]

It depends on how they treat champions

[lofty tartan]

Champions is hopeful but we literally know zero about it so it's extremely hard to speculate on it

[timber thunder]

They'll probably forget it exists like they did with battle revolution

[lofty tartan]

And it would also probably depend on when Champions releases as well. If it'll be in the circuit upon release. Etc

Revolution reached the end of a lifespan. It's highly unlikely they forgot about it.

You'd be surprised at how these game companies watch their products

[astral kelp]

I can't wait i see the new regional variants

[astral kelp]

Bruh we still in fire

[solid frigate]

at this point I’m running Mega Salamence cuz he’s the homie we want in both formats

[chrome knot]

mika

[mental mason]

So if I was looking into getting into vgc, the next regulation is what I should look into building for, correct? I am reading through the pinned starters links too.

[real prairie]

Got to admit, it's not at threatening in that font 🤣

It's like "be careful it's dangerous, Uwu"

[exotic grotto]

I hope you're OK!

[astral kelp]

the comic sans fire

[real prairie]

He's fine, he's a water type

[solid frigate]

double restricted format is the next format so two box legendaries per team

+good job on readin the stuff in pins

[solid frigate]

groudon players be like

[mental mason]

Thanks! Current Miraidon is built for raids, so that's going to be changed after this weekend. I think.

[solid frigate]

cool more miraidons

Whats your idea rn for miraidon+what restricted as pair?

[astral kelp]

its chill kyogre spanwed or something and it started raining lol

[exotic grotto]

That's nice to hear! Drizzle is a really good ability!

[solid frigate]

Rain is just that Overpowered

[mental mason]

No idea! I just really like electro Drift lmao.

[astral kelp]

AHAHAH I LOVE THIS INTERACTION

[solid frigate]

if you not broke

Click electro drift they say

But best partners for miraidon is

Zacian,Both Honse and Kyogre atm

[mental mason]

Probably Calyres Shadow Rider if I can get them or something super offensive.

Ooh. Good to know!

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2349681513
comfey is a fucking UNIT omg

i actually underestimated it myself

[solid frigate]

I still fan of Miraidon Kyogre cuz of the offensive Power

+rain

rain is overpowered

[mental mason]

I think my Kyogre's not ideal for it's IVs as I wasn't thinking about that when catching them.

Weather does sound fun. Got a drizzle mon somewhere.

[solid frigate]

You can boost IVs with Bottle caps anyway

[exotic grotto]

Is heavy rain in Pokémon SV?

[solid frigate]

Drizzle or do you mean Primal Kyogre?

[exotic grotto]

The rain which makes fire type moves fail!

[solid frigate]

primal Kyogre wasn’t in the game so no

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[solid frigate]

but i would not run Miraidon with it if Primal forms are here

Xerneas+Primal Kyogre+Mega Salamence in Champions when

[real prairie]

@mighty stump you from Singapore right?

[mental mason]

Hmm. Kyogre/Zacian, Miraidon, Incineroar(?), Urshifu-RS, Amoogus? I like a three type core but id be wanting to bring both restricted the majority of the time I'm guessing? So would Incineroar not fit much here?

[real prairie]

Incin is fine

you probably want some type of speed control though

[mental mason]

So Tailwind or some speed debuffer?

[real prairie]

both an option, TR is also an option too

[mental mason]

Hmm. Played around a little on showdown singles every once in awhile over the years and couldn't get a feel for trick room.

[real prairie]

It would be Zacian or Miraidon imo with Kyogre though with that group of mons

[mental mason]

Pelipper comes to mind but three base water mons...
Hmm. Amoogus and Miraidon both resist electric iirc.

[real prairie]

Zacian + Miraidon would probably work well with Whimsicott etc

[real prairie]

You use pelliper if you aren't using Kyogre, not with

Tornadus a good last mon, or Roaring moon

[mental mason]

Thanks for the help/advice.

[real prairie]

no drama

[spiral ridge]

Explodes

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Hai Emma

[bold geode]

shoves you in locker

[spiral ridge]

Explodes out of locker

[plain drum]

[chrome knot]

haai

[lofty tartan]

I'm sorry. I had to break your heart

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-you-just-got-to-rip-off-the-bandaid-get-it-over-with-just-do-it-get-it-done-eliza-gonzalez-gif-16707721

You know me. You know it was a neutral statement that is in no way personal whatsoever.

BELIEVE IN ME

[chrome knot]

mm first irl reg i tour & last reg g cup this weekend

[lofty tartan]

I also realized I need to adopt a tree name to match my professor status

Professor Monkey Puzzle Tree.

This is a real tree.

[chrome knot]

guh

[lofty tartan]

[spiral ridge]

You got thisssse

[bold geode]

Bro dissing on my goat

[bold geode]

You're joking

[lofty tartan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_araucana

[bold geode]

I found my favorite tree

[lofty tartan]

Told you.

[spiral ridge]

Monkey knows 1 type of tree now

[lofty tartan]

I have decided though. I should be Professor Sassafras

[chrome knot]

LOL new knowledge gained

[foggy lodge]

+3 intelligence

[bold geode]

Professor Arugula

[bold geode]

Looked at tree
Neuron activation

[civic kettle]

Hello guys. What are your anti-meta favorite pokemon? Looking for funky ideas

[foggy lodge]

Weezing

Unironically

[solid frigate]

Archaludon or Iron Crown

[shadow wind]

Groudon 😤😤

[civic kettle]

I played galar weezing with toadscruel, but it feels like half the meta is super effective against it in one way or another

[foggy lodge]

Toedscruel is not good on this format

[solid frigate]

yeah like no use case when both shroom exists

[foggy lodge]

Weezing works better with broken mons like CSR or Koraidon

[solid frigate]

also Bonnet and amogus exists

[civic kettle]

Yeah fair enough. I dont wanna play CSR or CI. I already play against them 95% of games, i dont want more of them 😂

[solid frigate]

i mean idk if you wanna try Archaludon or Iron Crown

they are decent at least,but i don't think they will pop off that much compare to like Zacian

who has a strong uprising

[civic kettle]

Ive seen an archaludon build without electroshock(?) Recently, for snarl instead

The guy said it was really good for him and finished 4th on showdown ladder a few weeks ago

[solid frigate]

electro Shot

[foggy lodge]

Zacian CSR is going to pop off sooner or later imo

[solid frigate]

but like Archaludon really does not like this format despite how broken Archaludon is on Paper

[foggy lodge]

Idk about Archaludon for thus format

For reg G it had a niche with Kyogre

[civic kettle]

I saw it quite a bit already. Its getting popular

[foggy lodge]

It got top 32 at EUIC and all

But double restricted idk Koraidon and Zama are super popular and the self proc stamina isn't worth it now

[solid frigate]

Yeah thats why i want to just spam Archaludon in Lower power formats lmao

[real prairie]

ah its good to be back https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2349791738-kjqlrj06c3euupw0k9gs93pj8unc1g6pw

[civic kettle]

At the moment im using volcarona and murkrow. Theyve been surprisingly good against most things

[foggy lodge]

What's the reason for Murkrow?

[civic kettle]

With eviolite hes a chunky boy. Hits CSR for super effective without tera and has prankster. I also did something gimmicky but very funny of having rillaboom and spite on murkrow. So i shut down astral barrage completely

[solid frigate]

just use Whimsicott or Tornadus if you want Prankster TW

[foggy lodge]

Moltres galar also does the same just without prankster

[solid frigate]

and Fari has Foul Play anyway

[civic kettle]

Hes also flying so he runs through urshifu

[foggy lodge]

It works as a role compression between Tornadus and Goltres ig

[solid frigate]

uhhhhhhh

Not really

[civic kettle]

Well so far hes been taking 0hko on urshi every game with bravebird

[solid frigate]

wait until you see Choice Scarf Urshifu in Rain

[civic kettle]

Did maybe 30 or so games, and maybe 12-15 against urshi

[solid frigate]

also

why did you run a FLYING MOVE on Murkrow

[civic kettle]

Yeah it could be bad. Tho im rarely outside of tailwind

HEY LISTEN. he a good birb. He begged me for bravebird

Looked at me with his pointy hat

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/herta-leave-herta-star-rail-herta-madam-herta-honkai-star-rail-gif-6031061610388400053

[civic kettle]

I run tailwind, sucker punch, bravebirb, and whatever other 4th move of the moment (like the funny spite)

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-herta-honest-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-herta-gif-4129808198170052378

[mighty stump]

I live in Singapore, not from Singapore

[civic kettle]

Haha

[solid frigate]

yeah i'll let you figure out why i have no interest on it

[dull ibex]

Tofu are you interested in switch 2?

[real prairie]

Sides is coming to Singapore if you care at all

[civic kettle]

I tried the other support moves for murkrow but they all felt kinda bad. Every team runs giraffe or psy terrain, so priority taunt and haze and the likes were mostly useless half the time. Thats why i dropped them except the last slot which has been taunt, spite, the priority dark move i forgot the name of, etc

[solid frigate]

thats like a skill issue more than bad

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/39_a5GHjMRY?si=OciV2zSOdsihuFNd

[solid frigate]

i'm having PTSD over building the duo

[mighty stump]

Yes lol

[mighty stump]

Sides?

[dull ibex]

gonna get it day one?

[mighty stump]

Probably gonna pick it up for me and the missus yes

[real prairie]

The sidemens takeaway brand

[dull ibex]

mario kart looks dope

[mighty stump]

Ah, I don’t follow the sidemen