competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Probably lower bump then

[foggy lodge]

Quite a fat Miraidon

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm sayin

180+ SpA Tera Fairy Lunala Moonblast vs. 124 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 158-188 (82.7 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Eh, I guess not that bulky

Also that team has Excadrill 💀

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348729629

Not gonna lie he caused me some major issues

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2348730095
servine actually sweeping frfr

[foggy lodge]

Nah it was that bulky

You haven't seen my Miraidon spread

[shadow wind]

Legendary Whimsicott set

Stab taunt ‼️

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 20 Def / 172 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature

• Volt Switch
• Electro Drift
• Draco Meteor
• Dazzling Gleam

[shadow wind]

Chunky

[foggy lodge]

Deadass I was 252 HP 28 Def before

But I calced it to survive ice spinner from jolly pao only

And it was fine

[shadow wind]

What's it outspeed?

[foggy lodge]

Life orb tera stellar ice shard shouldn't ko either

[foggy lodge]

Landorus incarnate

[bold geode]

Real talk
I love when I'm in game with a Dark Tera CSR and Nasty Plot is glowing

[foggy lodge]

Its like they are convincing you to click it

My stab boosted tera dark taunt Tornadus

btw dark pulse tornadus isn't bad rn I think

If you are desperate for CSR answers

Too bad most CSR teams run 2 follow me users now lol

[rustic mountain]

good to be immune to prankster taunt in some cases also nice resist for barrage spam depending on the game

[shadow wind]

I love when I miss pblades and then click high horsepower so I won't miss and I still miss !

[foggy lodge]

Go stomping tantrum

[rustic mountain]

not the weirdest tera ive seen on something

[foggy lodge]

The move that benefits you for having bad rng

[shadow wind]

But why taunt and not encore

[foggy lodge]

btw helping hand whimsicott is goated

[rustic mountain]

idk, whims has 4 moveslot syndrome

[foggy lodge]

Helping hand ogerpon too

[shadow wind]

I don't even think it does

[rustic mountain]

ur always gna wanna run something else

[shadow wind]

Maya and I tested it

What is this play

Little did they know I was all in since turn 1

[rustic mountain]

predicting moongeist beam?

[shadow wind]

100%

But they were sash anyway so it didn't matter what I clicked I had to double

[rustic mountain]

hahaha ur acting like thats super nonsensical tho by asking wat is this play wen that super reasonable

[foggy lodge]

wth

[shadow wind]

But it was in TR, there was nothing stopping them from just protecting

[rustic mountain]

yea but depending on which turn of tr, even if they protect wat r they doing next turn

[shadow wind]

But this does put a smile on my face

[rustic mountain]

they just assumed they could get barrage value

nd obviously got out predicted

[shadow wind]

I was down I game I lowkey needed to

[rustic mountain]

yea prolly even more reason they were fine taking the risk of u predicting that figuring it was a low chance

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

i get wat ur saying tho moonblast is just safer there regardless

so prolly something for them to evaluate themselves of weighing risks

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

going for moongeist there is bad

[rustic mountain]

cuz thats one most players arent gna fall for, specifcally in bo3

[shadow wind]

I was also already tera fairy so it's a 5 BP difference

[rustic mountain]

were ur guys even low?

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah are these Zama running attack invest?

[shadow wind]

Middling

[rustic mountain]

enough barrage takes em out?

[shadow wind]

Ohhhhh low as in HP

Thought you meant elo 😭

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Depends on the set but probably not

[rustic mountain]

nah

[shadow wind]

Oh heavy slam is 120 bp on Lunala

I was unaware of this

4 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Helping Hand Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tera Fairy Lunala: 254-302 (104 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[rustic mountain]

u might die w/ groudon there depending on ur bulk but lunalas chilling, that was a bad turn from them for sure tho

now that i see the board

[shadow wind]

4 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Helping Hand Behemoth Bash vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tera Fairy Lunala: 216-254 (88.5 - 104%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

[rustic mountain]

lets go

[shadow wind]

Don't see heavy slam too often now

[rustic mountain]

i think its bad now

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

Weight (Low Kick BP)

120kg (100 BP)

Height

4m

Introduced

Generation 7

Pre-evolution

Cosmoem

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Purple

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

I still think Zama weighs too much

Or Groudon doesn't weigh enough

Probably that one

[rustic mountain]

how that thing is plated in vibranium

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Weight (Low Kick BP)

950kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 3

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.2

[rustic mountain]

groudon heavy af

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/115/80/115/138

Total

660

Weight (Low Kick BP)

210kg (120 BP)

Height

2.9m

Introduced

Generation 8

Other Formes

Zamazenta-Crowned

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Weight (Low Kick BP)

785kg (120 BP)

Height

2.9m

Introduced

Generation 8

Base Species

Zamazenta

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Required Item

Rusted Shield

Battle Only

This Pokémon only appears in battle.

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Wrong form

[weary fox]

https://pokepast.es/86a1563ceec25948 Hey! This is my Kyurem White team and I wanna improve it, some suggestions or critiques would really help

[rustic mountain]

groudon still weighs more

[shadow wind]

Yeah well heat crash does nothing

156+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (40 BP) vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 32-38 (17.7 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiSFWDBqDn8

[shadow wind]

Why does Groudon get more special fire moves than physical

Give my goat a signature fire move 🙏

Give him bitter blade

[cyan smelt]

What does fire punch do to zama

[shadow wind]

Like 40ish

[cyan smelt]

Not enough

[shadow wind]

156+ Atk Groudon Fire Punch vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 60-72 (33.3 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

156+ Atk Groudon Bitter Blade vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 70-84 (38.8 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Trust me he needs it

[cyan smelt]

What about tera blast fire

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I think manual snow here is better than Ninetales.

[shadow wind]

75 BP up to 80

[bold geode]

Doesn't look awful
Though on the Volcarona I would replace Giga Drain and Tera Blast with support moves like Rage Powder or Will O Wisp

[shadow wind]

Stab would make it like 60

[weary fox]

Manual snow? Like who if I may ask

[lofty tartan]

Tornadus

[shadow wind]

0- SpA Groudon Overheat vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 102-120 (56.6 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Y'all don't know about the hidden sauce

[lofty tartan]

Kyurem-White has a really awkward speed tier. Needs TW to shine. Tornadus covers weather and speed control.

[weary fox]

What Im worried about is I wouldnt have much grass support for water mons

[bold geode]

Actually yeah Tornadus is kinda good in that regard
Alolan Ninetales is faster than a lot of weather setters so

[lofty tartan]

Freeze Dry from Kyurem shuts down a water type hard

[weary fox]

Would tornadus fit well, that and I have whimsicott, but that would give me room

[bold geode]

Put Freeze Dry on Kyurem

[weary fox]

That's lowkey genius, I appreciate yall

[lofty tartan]

You just remove Ninetales and Whims, add Torn and you get a free slot

Compress snow and speed into one mon

[weary fox]

Thank you all a ton!

Any reccomends for last mon?

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

Yup exactly
No problem

[lofty tartan]

Incineroar never hurts.

[weary fox]

Valid, but I have a love hate

Hes just TOO GOOD

[lofty tartan]

In a Calyrex Shadow Rider world, he is the sauce

[weary fox]

Also, wouldnt that bad? Since I already got volc

[rustic mountain]

incins a mon that keeps the actual broken guys in check

[lofty tartan]

Volc and Incin don't really share weaknesses as much beyond water

Rillaboom is also an option. It helps keep Miraidon in check

Kyurem doesn't like Draco Meteor

[weary fox]

Valid! I may do Rillaboom for psychic and eletric surge

[lofty tartan]

Yeah terrain options are peak right now

[weary fox]

Wait, why not? Is there another dragon move I should use or no dragon moves

[lofty tartan]

I mean he doesn't like taking it to the face lol

[weary fox]

Ooooooh! My bad I read it wrong

[lofty tartan]

Especially from a boosted Mirai

[rustic mountain]

80 kyruems faint to that (prolly)

[forest arrow]

Tree wanna see the rough draft? We just gotta work on evs

[weary fox]

Valid valid, I think I'll do rillaboom, helps with water, fake out, terrain

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Tree look at our madness

[weary fox]

I'll send a rough draft of the team and look for feed back

[rustic mountain]

sure let me see my counterteam

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/50785b0909d50dc9

[weary fox]

thanks fellas

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Now we gotta name it Tree's Nightmare.

Treehouse of Horror

[forest arrow]

Lolll Treehouse of horror

[cyan smelt]

Is this ho oh lunala

[rustic mountain]

idk if u need darkshifu here but team looks solid

[shadow wind]

You are like darkfu's #1 fan bro

[lofty tartan]

Yeah he was a last add to see how he does. Somewhat unsure of last slot.

[forest arrow]

Also talked about rapid

[rustic mountain]

also might like wow over taunt on incin but that seems fine too

[rustic mountain]

i am?

[lofty tartan]

We went Taunt because sacred fire burns

[rustic mountain]

nah idk i jus feel u might want the water coverage tbh

[lofty tartan]

It's possible

[shadow wind]

Yes

[forest arrow]

Just think it’s good into TR shutting down opposing incin/amoongus

[rustic mountain]

then ik wen it should be used

[shadow wind]

Professional

[forest arrow]

Taunt the prankster mons from taunting your partners

[rustic mountain]

as childish gambino once said
why we look professional and you look like a talent show?

[shadow wind]

I am a talent show

"Guys look at my Groudon team!!!"

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[shadow wind]

I don't know how to play any other restricted 😭

[rustic mountain]

atleast u know ur working w/ a tougher restricted

[forest arrow]

You got commitment

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I know Groudon is hot buns compared to the real guys

But that doesn't mean I don't love him ♥️

[rustic mountain]

groudon is prolly my fav legendary?

cuz i played ruby so much growing up

[forest arrow]

Mines lugia

[rustic mountain]

nice

[forest arrow]

But I’m not using it lol

[rustic mountain]

yea

lugia is like d tier

[shadow wind]

You guys will never guess what mine is

[spiral ridge]

Smack a comfey in that bitch and you got a team it’s fineeee

[forest arrow]

probably a nostalgia factor from the Lugia movie

[rustic mountain]

good movie

entei prolly one of my favs cuz of the movie too

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah I love entei too

[rustic mountain]

he was a piece of shit at the beginning but he comes around

[forest arrow]

Another sacred fire user

[rustic mountain]

i think its just those 2 right?

[forest arrow]

Yeah

[cyan smelt]

Nobody ever uses raikou sadge

[rustic mountain]

gen 2 just has a good set of legends tbh

[lofty tartan]

Yeah sacred fire has dummy low distribution

[shadow wind]

I had to make that just now cause it didn't exist

[forest arrow]

Yeah they’re all great

Design wise

[lofty tartan]

I love most legends because they're cool so I'm easy lmaob

[rustic mountain]

it almost top cut worlds in 2022

[forest arrow]

And raging bolt just made that even harder for it

[shadow wind]

There's a guy on ladder that uses Raikou but he's super toxic so I don't associate

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt necessarily call any legend design bad but theres some that far outweigh others design wise and some id consider more basic

[lofty tartan]

Can agree

[forest arrow]

I don’t hate the genies

[rustic mountain]

like i am not a big fan of the gen 4 or 5 box legends

[lofty tartan]

I don't hate the genies either except Enamorus

[forest arrow]

But they are just men sitting in clouds lol

[shadow wind]

Solgaleo has a pretty mid design imo

[lofty tartan]

Hey Solgaleo is rad

[shadow wind]

Shiny Solgaleo is dope

[forest arrow]

Solg is so cool

[rustic mountain]

solgaleo is cool

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the shiny for Solgaleo and Lunala are top tier

[shadow wind]

What are y'all on about that's a metal lion and that's about it

[lofty tartan]

Metal lion cool

[shadow wind]

Ehhhh

[forest arrow]

That’s pretty rad if you ask me

[rustic mountain]

gen 7 legends are cool

[shadow wind]

I like Necrozma forms but Solgaleo just doesn't do it for me

Ultra Necrozma is dope

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

u dont have to like it

[lofty tartan]

Lmao it's true

All good either way

[forest arrow]

The sacred swords whatever are lack luster

I like terrakion

[lofty tartan]

Yes. I like the paradox forms more

[rustic mountain]

iron boulder is an abomination

[forest arrow]

Crown is so dope

[rustic mountain]

swords of justice

[shadow wind]

Boulder does suck

[lofty tartan]

Boulder is sick

[forest arrow]

My bad lol

[lofty tartan]

Crown is the best though. Leaves is like okay

[forest arrow]

I like boulders signature

[rustic mountain]

sacred swords sounds like a 50's british doo-wop group

[forest arrow]

Too bad it’s cheeks

[lofty tartan]

Mighty Cleave is stupid

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah it's the same image

[rustic mountain]

nah ur good just so u know for the future haha

so many sub legendary set names

[forest arrow]

Yeah too many

Actually Keldeo is pretty nice too

[shadow wind]

All the mythicals are cool

[rustic mountain]

i gta complete my swsh dex for shiny keldeo still

[lofty tartan]

I like Keldeo. Too bad he's mythical though

[lofty tartan]

Same. I've been so lazy.

[forest arrow]

oh true keldeo mythical

[lofty tartan]

My entire reg G break I didn't play Pokémon.

[rustic mountain]

ive done the others but yea swsh is gna be a pain

[lofty tartan]

I feel so refreshed

[shadow wind]

Sounds like heaven

I took a break during H, I sucked so bad at it

[forest arrow]

I’m halfway done with living dex in Violet

[rustic mountain]

nice

[lofty tartan]

After Toronto it was extremely needed

I needed to just unwind

[forest arrow]

Really wish I did it first time around I played scarlet lol

[lofty tartan]

Now I'm hungry for VGC. Breaks are underrated tech.

[shadow wind]

Literal cheat codes

[rustic mountain]

yea, i had a decent amount cuz i had shiny charm which u need the full dex for but then like i had to refill certain evos and exclusives

[lofty tartan]

People always go on a break and end it like after 3 days to a week. That's not a good de-stress break.

That's just being too busy to play often lol

[forest arrow]

Yeah I did the shiny charm, but idk where most of my mons went I think I released alot when i was Masuda methoding

[rustic mountain]

swsh idk where im at cuz it doesnt start tracking until after a certain date so i gta deposit a bunch and see how close i am but its all 50/400 48/200 for the dexes rn

[shadow wind]

Why am I getting Sejun Park edits on Instagram in big 2025 😭

[rustic mountain]

sejun the goat

[forest arrow]

so starting on a fresh save just felt better cause the dex is empty easier to track stuff

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I gotta check my progress on Home shinies. I've transferred a ton from sw/sh doing masuda method

[shadow wind]

No doubt just why am I watching a Pachirisu survive a draco meteor

I've seen this clip a billion times

[rustic mountain]

im jus talkin base dex im def not doing a sld (shiny living dex)

[rustic mountain]

but have u felt it?

[lofty tartan]

I've always been working my SLD. But I'll just transfer more regs to lock down Home shinies

[shadow wind]

It changes my life every time I see it

[forest arrow]

The shiny king over here

[lofty tartan]

I got into vgc because I always shiny hunted and it gave me a reason to build perfect stuff

[shadow wind]

Me too

[rustic mountain]

yea i started as a breeder first

then i was like i wanna use these mons, found out comp was a thing and jumped into it

[shadow wind]

I made competitive sets back in Gen 6 but didn't play actual comp until this Gen

[lofty tartan]

I just lump breeding in with shiny hunting pre-Gen 9

[rustic mountain]

i dont like breeding really in sv

[lofty tartan]

Me either.

[forest arrow]

Yeah I was pretty casual/shiny hunter until gen 9

[rustic mountain]

outbreak hunting is pretty efficient

[lofty tartan]

I'm like 2500 eggs into Sprigatito and nothing to show for it.

I got a shiny Grookey seven eggs in

[shadow wind]

Now that's bad luck

[forest arrow]

They really messed up breeding this gen, just give me the daycare back

[unkempt flax]

Chat. I thought storm drain completely redirected water spout? No??

[lofty tartan]

No

[shadow wind]

Not spread moves

[unkempt flax]

I didn’t know this holy

[rustic mountain]

just be glad ability patches are a thing now i had so many hunts of like 4-5 non ha shinies before those got introduced in swsh dlc

[forest arrow]

True those are a blessing

[shadow wind]

Dang my team has 6 legends

What have I become 😔

[rustic mountain]

look wat uve become

[lofty tartan]

Ability patches are like spun gold

[forest arrow]

Now give us rusty bottle caps to make IVs 0 and we’re golden lol

[rustic mountain]

yea

really great qol change

[rustic mountain]

i really thought they would this gen

[lofty tartan]

I just want Champs to be a battle sim so I can use ev sliders instead of feathers 🤷

It's the little things

[rustic mountain]

they might not ever given u can just power item a mon w/ 0iv and guarantee it that way

[forest arrow]

True

[exotic grotto]

What's Champs?

[forest arrow]

I can’t wait to see what they do with champions

[rustic mountain]

not that u cant w/ other ivs on the other end but still surprising we didnt get it in sv or sv dlc

[lofty tartan]

Pokémon Champions.

[rustic mountain]

new game coming out

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

fyomin has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[rustic mountain]

for comp specifically

[forest arrow]

Yeah no, I think we all expected it from DLC

But mochi is nice too

[rustic mountain]

we dont really know much about it yet

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm just speculating 🤷

[rustic mountain]

mochi is cool but the ioa lady clear method was way better

[rustic mountain]

i was talkin to the other person asking about it

giving like a general summary on it

[lofty tartan]

I don't care about mochi. Fresh start is the only one that matters.

[forest arrow]

Yea that’s basically the one I’m talking about

[lofty tartan]

Oh no I was explaining for them too that I'm just saying words lmao

[exotic grotto]

Do you take part in official VGC tournaments?

[rustic mountain]

yea lady clear was jus better for clearing evs

u didnt need as much grinding really u just got ore

[shadow wind]

Way more convenient

[forest arrow]

I wish lol I’ve only done online tours

[lofty tartan]

A few of us here do. Regional events are awesome

[exotic grotto]

Thanks for answering!

[shadow wind]

I've also never done an official tournament

[forest arrow]

Ofc

[rustic mountain]

yea theres quite a few of us that have been to irls and a bit of variance on the amount of times that would be

[shadow wind]

I should enter more tours though

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I've been to two Regionals recently in two different rulesets. But my area in which I live makes travel steep so I need to improve cash flow to compete more consistently

[rustic mountain]

its an expensive hobby

[lofty tartan]

Very much.

[forest arrow]

Yeah I will one day, maybe next year I’ll be able to compete when I move into a new place

[exotic grotto]

What place did you get on the regionals?

[lofty tartan]

I dropped like 3k for Toronto Regionals

[forest arrow]

until then online tours for me

[exotic grotto]

Good luck if you ever take part on one!

[forest arrow]

Thanks!

[lofty tartan]

I went to Pittsburgh and Toronto. I do some stuff local but it's more judging since I'm the only certified pokemon professor in my area

[shadow wind]

I still remember the team I won my first tour with

[rustic mountain]

yea im hoping for the next circuit ill be able to attend a cppl

[exotic grotto]

Thanks for your answer!

[shadow wind]

Fire punch SD Groudon is some wild stuff

[lofty tartan]

I also actually hold tournaments on Limitless with the help of @bold geode

[forest arrow]

Yes I was hoping yall would host some reg I tourneys

[rustic mountain]

bulk up groudon was solid in series 10 swsh w/o dmax

[lofty tartan]

We're more-than-likely gonna

[forest arrow]

Sweet

Always great practice

[shadow wind]

I remember in the final that Kingambit lived a +2 EP from Terapagos

My goat 🙏

[lofty tartan]

I've just been financially strapped because I'm buying my wife a ring and it's gonna break my bank for a long time lmao

And I had been giving out monetary prizing

[forest arrow]

Nah I feel you

[rustic mountain]

rl >

[lofty tartan]

Yeahy wife deserves this ring. It's just like 900ish dollars

[forest arrow]

I got myself into a place that’s too big and honestly too much for me so once my lease is up imma be smart about my next spot lol

[lofty tartan]

So I gotta be smart here

But yeah we're gonna go back to limitless events.

I just need some shit to die down first.

[shadow wind]

Man managing money like that does not seem fun

[lofty tartan]

It's not lmao

[rustic mountain]

u live nd learn

[forest arrow]

We love being adults

[lofty tartan]

Adulting is hardcore suckage

[forest arrow]

Yeah fs

[shadow wind]

I got a whole month till I'm considered an adult

[rustic mountain]

yes savor not having to rn

[lofty tartan]

Live it up

[forest arrow]

Pls enjoy it

[rustic mountain]

like genuinely

[shadow wind]

Don't worry I am

[lofty tartan]

My kid is all like "I can't wait to be an adult"

"DARLIN, YOU SAY THAT NOW"

[forest arrow]

I was your kid as kid 🥲🥲

[rustic mountain]

hahah classic grass is always greener

[forest arrow]

Now I hate it

[rustic mountain]

most of us were

[shadow wind]

Schoolings kickin me right now but that's aight

[lofty tartan]

She said that and we explained what my wife and I do to keep her situated and the home clean and livable

She did NOT like what we had to say

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Why did I decide to take Physics and Calculus in the same semester 😔

[lofty tartan]

You hate yourself.

But I did things like that in college too

[shadow wind]

Well I need Calculus for Uni but Physics is just cause why not 😭

[lofty tartan]

I was a philosophy major so I was always neck deep in weird or complicated classes.

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I love finding the forces between magnets and electric fields

[lofty tartan]

That's cool

Science is rad

[shadow wind]

Maybe droppin out ain't that bad of an option 🙏

[forest arrow]

Physics is cool

[rustic mountain]

physics is like the basis of our reality

[shadow wind]

Yeah but it just seems so pointless

[lofty tartan]

Did you know that we're finding that our understanding of physics is presumably only reality on Earth?

[rustic mountain]

yea i hated the class too but we also had a terrible teacher

[lofty tartan]

Wild stuff man

[rustic mountain]

u going into like quantams and shit?

[shadow wind]

Ah my teacher is actually goated I'm just dumb and don't study

[forest arrow]

My teacher made it fun

[lofty tartan]

We're just finding that fundamentally we're sort of wrong about physics and how it applies to the rest of space and reality

The existence of humans alters reality and states of matter. It's freaky

[forest arrow]

Always had presentations and group shit to work on in the lab

[lofty tartan]

My profs let me do group work solo

[rustic mountain]

we are wrong but also right. we understand particles in how they behave when being observed but its difficult to understand what that means wen u cant, or something being a wave and a particle at the same damn time

[lofty tartan]

Much preferred

[rustic mountain]

but yea quantum physics gets messy

[forest arrow]

Honestly if I didn’t have my buddies in that class I would’ve worked alone too

[lofty tartan]

Ugh I'm doing this work training right now and I hate my life

[forest arrow]

And they were like group partners that actually helped you know?

I hate training people

I told my boss if you want me to train someone you better pay me for it

[lofty tartan]

I don't mind training people. That was a big part of my job when I worked for Electronic Arts.

[forest arrow]

I used to not mind, but people make it so hard

At least in my experience

[rustic mountain]

yea and ur held responsible if they mess something up cuz u were supposed to train them

[forest arrow]

Yes

Like I remember when I was 19 I had to show this person how to use a can opener like 20 times

[rustic mountain]

basically bad bosses outsourcing work they should be doing themselves

[forest arrow]

By the 20th time I said nah bruh, you’re cooked

[rustic mountain]

under the guise of "delegating"

[lofty tartan]

Luckily I never got in trouble when new hires were less than satisfactory.

There's only so much that I can be responsible for when talking about a free thinking human

Firing people was the least favorite part of my job

[weary fox]

Hey! Me again, I know yall said rillaboom or Incineroar for my last option, but I was curious if yall got other suggestions

[lofty tartan]

But sometimes also hilarious

[forest arrow]

I wish I had the power

I have a list

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

[lofty tartan]

Uhhh Ogerpon is really good but doesn't provide always as much utility as either Rilla or Incin

[weary fox]

Valid, also, how would I build my tornadus EV and build wise, Im not entirely new to competitive but not the best

[forest arrow]

Are you covert cloak or sash

[weary fox]

Covert

[forest arrow]

you want to be bulkier then

[lofty tartan]

I don't have my calcs with me but I think bulky Torn is good

[forest arrow]

I haven’t used torn in awhile idk what they ev for

Maybe ice spinner from chien pao?

[lofty tartan]

I did bulky steel torn for Pao

[weary fox]

Also, thinking of running taunt on my tornadus

[lofty tartan]

I think ev to survive spinner is correct.

Taunt is totally fine on bulky Torn

[forest arrow]

Yeah taunt is fine

[weary fox]

Alright, I have taunt, snowscape, tailwind, bleakwind storm

[lofty tartan]

That's fine

[forest arrow]

I know a lot run dark for opposing pranksters and CSR

[weary fox]

I go dark terra on him

[lofty tartan]

Dark or Steel personally. I prefer steel because you resist a lot of kos

Dark is good for CSR

[astral kelp]

dark is to resist ghost right

[weary fox]

Dark for opponent prankster taunts

[astral kelp]

on csr?

[forest arrow]

No like encore whims and taunt torn

[weary fox]

Also, do I go a bulky rillaboom? I want too but Im always confused on how to build him

[astral kelp]

i havent thought about that huh

i gotta try tera dark

[forest arrow]

But yes does resist ghost from CSR

[lofty tartan]

AV is totally fine for Rilla. Go to like second EV bump on him for Attack. I think @forest arrow may have a Rilla spread

[weary fox]

Yes please

[forest arrow]

Yeah I’ll throw you a pretty common spread

[weary fox]

Oh wait, I have AV on kyurem

[forest arrow]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 132 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Fake Out

[weary fox]

Maybe I can try grassy seed?

[forest arrow]

132 is hp grassy terrain recovery
116+ is an attack bump, speed is to speed creep the speed creep on jolly incins and special def is a dump

You can try offensive Rilla with miracle seed

[lofty tartan]

Grassy Seed is alright l. Can use Miracle seed for more offense

And do protect over u-turn

[weary fox]

I'll put miracle seed

[forest arrow]

Although you will probably want more speed and attack

[weary fox]

And use Throwdat's set

How much should I swap then?

[rustic mountain]

drum beating supremacy

[forest arrow]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Fake Out

[weary fox]

WOAH-

[forest arrow]

This still gives you Terrain recovery, third attack bump, spe dump

lol drum beating is sick

[rustic mountain]

its my only speed control

[lofty tartan]

Lmao drum beating. I mean I'd run it

[forest arrow]

Actually Mika that’s something we can try

[lofty tartan]

It's okay.

[rustic mountain]

i jus hate the recoil from wood hammer

[weary fox]

Can someone also send me a bulky tornadus set?

[rustic mountain]

my bulky guy whose supposed to be pivoting in and out and he takes like 30%

[lofty tartan]

Trying to load my teambuilder but my data connection is ass in this store

I have a bulky Torn spread there

[weary fox]

What a real one

[rustic mountain]

my builders been wiped so much

[forest arrow]

Yeah mine too I tried to find my old torn

It’s been ages lol

Since reg D I believe

actually wait

[rustic mountain]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 68 HP / 196 Def / 92 SpA / 4 SpD / 148 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Tailwind
• Taunt

this lives surging pre tera no rain

[forest arrow]

Yeah this looks good

[lofty tartan]

It's similar enough to the one I was trying to find anyway lol

I have a bulky Torn that's specifically to not die to Pao immediately

Ugh I actually have to do some work here soon

3 hours til end shift so time to clean

[forest arrow]

And it’s 1 am for me, I was supposed to go to sleep an hour ago oops

gn yall

[lofty tartan]

Lmao I'm a bad influence.

Goodnight man

I'll get some calcs on Lunala/Ho-Oh in like 3 hours

[exotic grotto]

Good night, future VGC champion!

[forest arrow]

Bet, we already got a good foundation

[forest arrow]

Haha maybe one day!

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely. Just gotta tune some EVs. Should be good stuff

[forest arrow]

And we can always try rapid too, water coverage is definitely nice, I’ve just been wanting to play Dursh for awhile now lol

I think with so many Lunala and CSR is the perfect time

okay bed or I’ll be up another hour toodles

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I think we should try both eventually. We can test Dursh first

I like to test every reasonable option. Leave no stone unturned

[lofty tartan]

20 Spe on Ho-Oh is gonna let us outpace CSR/Scarf Urshi in TW at least.

I don't hate a speed control Flutter here either.

Actually that's pretty dope

[astral kelp]

īm tryna practice my reg g team but there is like 3 people playing reg g

i fought a dude wiht indeedeeless psychic terrain twice in a row

[lofty tartan]

Yeah there's not really much action left for Reg G

That tank is running dry

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2348778890
omg i finally face a real team

https://pokepast.es/12f04ca463025c0c

any last minute feedback on this before i actually build it

other than comfey being meme lol

[lofty tartan]

If my data wasn't ass I would totally take a look but replays are tough on this lmao

I can give feedback in like 2 hours

Unless you just mean the paste

Paste looks fine but I'm partial to jolly incin for taunts and that's a me thing

[cyan smelt]

Calm mind comfey is a bad idea

[astral kelp]

yeah but its a pet build lol

i wanna see how well it does in an actual tournament

oh shit i need the dlc for knock off

[lofty tartan]

Good catch. I didn't see that on first look.

Probably better for a speed option there

Comfey isn't really a damage piece anyway.

[cyan smelt]

Can't believe they're locking TMs behind DLC now

[lofty tartan]

It's been that way for the whole of SV.

[cyan smelt]

I really don't understand, they're trying hard to make vgc more popular then they do stuff like that

[astral kelp]

yeah its kinda fucked up

bruh btw is pokemon vuiolet supposed to be running at like 20 fps my eyes

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[astral kelp]

i dont remember it being this laggy last time

jesus

[cyan smelt]

It was always this laggy

[lofty tartan]

It's not even a big deal because you can get them traded, and usually people who are committed to competing in vgc are gonna buy the dlc.

30 bucks a small hurdle considering travel cost and entry fee.

Silly to be held back on such a small stress point.

[astral kelp]

OMG WHEN I USE THE DASH ABILITY HIOLY SHIT

istg when i playde through paldea it was not this laggy

[lofty tartan]

A better argument is locking meta-defining mons behind dlc. But tms are easy.

An even better argument is the genies not even being in SV

[astral kelp]

theres always raids in go

[lofty tartan]

Don't get me wrong though. They need to work on accessibility because right now there's a lot of things that limit that.

I'm hoping that Champions can help curb it.

[astral kelp]

i have like

3 of each

[lofty tartan]

Nah man that sucks. People in more rural areas have way more issues than those that are in more populated zones

[astral kelp]

yeah you have to use poke genie

[lofty tartan]

You need to not talk about that here.

[astral kelp]

its super annoying tho like

some pokemon take aaaages to get or you have to srraight up have a differnet game

for example csr

its super meta rn

but you have to play swsh AND the dlc

its not in go its not anywhere else

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I think we're all aware of that issue. Again, if we're even remotely right about Champions that's much less of an issue

But with go I have way more time in my day to sit and grind a bit on Switch than to walk my happy ass all over the place to find a specific raid and actually get it cleared.

[astral kelp]

the best way to play pokemon is in showdown 💀

and its like not even close

dude the animations in scarlet and violet are SO SHIT OMG

the attack animations

[lofty tartan]

Disagree. 🤷

[astral kelp]

i didnt really realize it untill i went back to play some other games

have you seen body press animation lmao

[lofty tartan]

And I actually prefer cart to showdown. Showdown has God awful combinations of volume, sound, and music, and has no feedback.

[cyan smelt]

Yeah gets kinda boring hearing the same two tracks on endless repeat

[astral kelp]

oh yeah i never play with sound on

but i agree

why is it so loud too lmao

omg i need to pp max my moves

how do i even do that

[lofty tartan]

Not only that but all events are held on cart.

So I'd prefer to get my comfort zones locked in with a medium that I'll be itneractkng with for official events

[lofty tartan]

Is this a real question? Not being rude or snarky

[astral kelp]

i literally have no idea i know i need an item lol

[lofty tartan]

PP Max and PP Up

[astral kelp]

do i just buy in the market thing

[lofty tartan]

I think it's Chansey supply?

I do all my comp building at Mesagoza or whatever. Snow town

God not Mesagoza right?

[astral kelp]

btw do you think 600k moneys is enouigh to ev a team?

[lofty tartan]

Depends on how much resources you have and how much more you need

I usually overshoot by a few million

[astral kelp]

i dont have the item printer so i priolly dont have enough lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeesh

Uhhh. If you have some patches you can sell them

Check your treasures tab for any sellable items

[astral kelp]

yeah i sold everything already lol

i have like 200k lp too actually

[lofty tartan]

That helps

If you need more help after im off work I can lend a hand

I'm off in an hour and 45. I have a lot of resources and mons that I don't mind parting with.

It's all to make vgc a tiny bit more inclusive

[astral kelp]

sure! thank you :)

rn im just trying to make some tms

tryna find bellsprouts for my grassy glide tm

then i need to ev oh lord

oh yeah and i need to bbreed a giraffe

[lofty tartan]

I have a lot of vitamins and money and I use the item printer so things are pretty infinite. Already got a bunch of excess competitive mons kicking around.

So I should be able to help with anything you're having trouble with

[astral kelp]

sure i appreciate it

could you help me ev my mons?

OMG i found an ev for grassy glide on the floor less goo

[polar marten]

Can tatsugiri be strong as a standalone mon? Like if I don’t bring a dondozo for some reason, can tatsugiri still be good?

[exotic grotto]

You found an Eevee for Grassy Glide? What do you mean by that?

[astral kelp]

i meant tm woops

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that's fine

[solid frigate]

it can but only work in like very low power format

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Storm Drain Tatsu has seen some play but it's few and far between

[solid frigate]

in theory it can do stuff against Urshifu water but like

don’t bother

[lofty tartan]

Better options

[solid frigate]

Just rillaboom them

[polar marten]

What’s the best legendary paradox mon in competitive? Gouging fire, iron leaves, etc

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean there's a lot of ways to deal with water bear at this late stage

[lofty tartan]

Uhhhh Bolt is probably best. Crown is good on the right team

[astral kelp]

okay theres definitevly something wrong qwith my switch i didnt used to get a headache playing this game from the frame rate

i need to restart it or something lol

[lofty tartan]

Iron Leaves is reaaaally way far down this list

[polar marten]

Ok, also stop working for team rocket

[lofty tartan]

No. It's my life's passion

[polar marten]

Scamming is not allowed

And selling Pokemon is bad

[lofty tartan]

It's more an ironic name lmao. I give away a lot of legitimately caught pokes and am super against illicit behavior in pokemon

[polar marten]

The swords of justice will come after you

[polar marten]

Then who is mika

[lofty tartan]

Sort of an inside joke that happened when I was giving away like 2 boxes of shiny Flutters

[polar marten]

To

[lofty tartan]

I've given so many shiny Flutters away 😐

[polar marten]

How did u get so many

[lofty tartan]

I have been farming for a rare mark Flutter.

Rare mark shiny *

[polar marten]

Ok

[lofty tartan]

So anything that isn't rare marked is trash to me.

[polar marten]

But I’m still not trusting u for trades

[lofty tartan]

Eh

[polar marten]

Koraidon isn’t rare marked

[lofty tartan]

I mean Flutter. Lol

[polar marten]

So it’s trash to u

[polar marten]

Oh, I was planning to scam ahem I mean convince you to give me a koraidon

[lofty tartan]

I might have an extra

[polar marten]

Also how do u type words with a line in the middle

[polar marten]

gasps audibly can u give me one?

[lofty tartan]

you mean this?

[polar marten]

Ye but between the words

[lofty tartan]

It's two ~~ on each side of what you want to strike through

[polar marten]

~scam~

[lofty tartan]

One more on each side

[polar marten]

scam

[lofty tartan]

There you go

[polar marten]

Yay

Anyways can I get that koraidon pls

[lofty tartan]

And yes I might have an extra Korai. We have two copies of scarlet and violet in my home. I'm at work right now so you'll need me to get home first

One hour twenty minutes

I'm like 90% sure I have a spare

[astral kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjMWooCUMg
THIS WORKED SO WELL

[lofty tartan]

I also have 12 spare Kubfus if anyone wants an Ursh

[polar marten]

Yipeeee

[lofty tartan]

I have my four Urshifu so I don't want for any others

[polar marten]

Omg I’m doing a challenge where I’m tryna get every legendary mon without dlc and only trade

Also how do I switch Ushifu forms?

[astral kelp]

yes pls haha half the reason i went farig over urshifu is being unable to get it

[lofty tartan]

Hold on gotta call 911

[astral kelp]

huh why

[polar marten]

They caught u scamming gasps

[solid frigate]

you can’t

[polar marten]

Then how do I get each form?

[lofty tartan]

Something happened at my store. Woman wandered in scared and disoriented and said she just escaped from being kidnapped. So I called the cops

Kind of an insane night

Police are here now. She was worried I was gonna hurt her too. Ma'am I just work here

[cyan smelt]

That's terrifying

[solid frigate]

get two urshifus

And done

[polar marten]

What?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's quite an ordeal right now Holy crap

[polar marten]

I don’t understand

[cyan smelt]

Will you have to give a statement mika

[lofty tartan]

Urshifu evolves using a water scroll or darkness scroll.

[lofty tartan]

Yes I will

[cyan smelt]

Crazy stuff

[polar marten]

Can i get that in sv with no dlc?

[astral kelp]

bro wtf

[lofty tartan]

You need DLC to catch Kubfu in SV

[astral kelp]

thats
odly casual way to react to that

does that happen a lot lmao

[lofty tartan]

You see a lot of crazy stuff working overnights

[astral kelp]

where do you work?

[lofty tartan]

I work at a convenience store. Circle K. It sucks.

[solid frigate]

i have memories of that cuz there are a lot in HK

[lofty tartan]

I have a job interview in five hours anyway

[astral kelp]

oh hype what for?

[polar marten]

But what if someone trades me one

Like u

Pls give two kubfu

[solid frigate]

#trading_sv

[lofty tartan]

If you have Kubfu in party or boxes you can buy the scrolls from the auction house it Porto Marinada

[lofty tartan]

I have two spares. It's not a big deal

I got them from pogo users for shiny Gimmighouls

[polar marten]

Didn’t u say u had 12?

[lofty tartan]

I do

[solid frigate]

oh yeah urshifu is obtainable now in Pogo

[polar marten]

The thing is for the challenge I also have to get all evos and forms

[lofty tartan]

Yeah actually I just caught one from a max raid

[polar marten]

So I actually need 3 lol

[solid frigate]

make sense

[lofty tartan]

Why 3?

[solid frigate]

kubfu

(Imagine Koraidon and Miraidon are obtainable in Pogo,Free Bikes)

[lofty tartan]

I can probably do 3. I just keep them to help people out. I don't need them.

[lofty tartan]

Like vgc is sometimes really inaccessible so this helps in a small way

[polar marten]

I’m doing a challenge where I get every form, evolution of every legendary Pokemon only through trade with no dlc

[solid frigate]

especially with DLC and early VGC times where teambuikd is a hassle

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean it's not how I usually help out but whatever. All good in the hood

[astral kelp]

oh yeah dynamax

can you even evolve them in go

btw am i doing breeding right
i have a ditto and i just make eggs with my desired pokemon and recursevly breed the best one over and over again

WAIT DESTINY KNOT

no wonder it like wasnt wōrking at all lmao

[lofty tartan]

I think with candies but farming Kubfu candy has to be awful

[astral kelp]

we love walkingb

Is this good enough

Why is it upside down

istg if i miss on a psychich ko because of 1hp

nvm got a better one lesss ghoo

this is actually pretty fun feels great to breed my own competitive mon

[lofty tartan]

Until it doesn't

I've put in more than my fair share of time breeding stuff. Sandwiches rock

[chrome knot]

i rng for stuff

makes my life sm easier

[lofty tartan]

Whew now that I'm done with the cops and home, time to go through boxes

[chrome knot]

woo

[lofty tartan]

Dude my night ended up crazy at the end

[chrome knot]

what happened

[lofty tartan]

A woman wandered into my store, scared and confused, and told me she escaped from her kidnappers but they killed her husband or fiance, I don't recall which, and someone else

So I called 911 and got some cops there. They always respond fast when we call them from the store. Usually prowling nearby anyway

She wasn't giving off the usual signs of intoxication, which are pretty clear for me to spot

The fear was totally genuine

Within 2 minutes there were 2 cruisers in my lot. Five minutes later there were two more cruisers and an ambulance

[lofty tartan]

I have four already transferred into Violet. I do have an extra Koraidon but I need a few to transfer it out

[polar marten]

ok i can trade with u after a while

dm me lemme save ur dm

[lofty tartan]

Sure.

[chrome knot]

holy fuck

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's been a crazy minute

[chrome knot]

thas alot

[lofty tartan]

Yeah for sure. Explaining to my boss why four cops were congregating in front of the store and one was in her parking spot was super fun

It happened at like the perfect time for my store to get busy with early bird workers, as well as all of my end of day paperwork

[chrome knot]

oah

meanwhile worst thing that’s happened in my world is i passed out so i forgor to say gn to kat & my plushies fell off my bed so i was sad

[solid frigate]

i need new joycons man cuz I ain’t buying switch 2 until its like

Gen 10 for pokemon

thanks for reminding me on the picture you sent

[lofty tartan]

It's all about perspective. If it matters to you it's valid. I just have a job where crazy shit happens at night

[lofty tartan]

Hori pads are killer

[chrome knot]

ehehe noo its just difference in it is silly

[lofty tartan]

These are the Gengar hori split pads

[solid frigate]

i might buy one if i have money cuz my joycons are damaged

Why are they so cheap in quality

[lofty tartan]

🤷

[astral kelp]

i did like 5 batches of eggs before i realized that i forgot the destiny knot 💀

[lofty tartan]

Terrible.

[astral kelp]

are your bosses the old kind?

[lofty tartan]

She's like ten or so years older than me I think

[astral kelp]

man im lucky my "supervisors" are like the same age as me

i work at like a helpdesk and it just feels like a hang out with friends every shift lol

[lofty tartan]

Eh. Doesn't really matter to me.

I work unsupervised 100% of the time. She comes in and relieves me of my shift lol

[astral kelp]

ay thats nice

is it the kind of job where you can just chill on youur phone 90% of the time?

[lofty tartan]

I have to do a lot of cleaning and stuff because I can't just not work. Customers come and go. I have regular duties to fulfill

I do cruise reddit a lot but I'm usually ahead.

Wednesdays I have to accept a large inventory order and shelve it all. Last week was 22k dollars large

[cyan smelt]

But did you check the nature

[astral kelp]

huh?

[cyan smelt]

It's a meme

[astral kelp]

ye ic

its good tho jobs where you do nothing suuuck

[astral kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[lofty tartan]

The job sucks. Lol

Make no mistake about that

[astral kelp]

hahah yeah most do

im on my last year of software engineering

im tryna get into game dev because id rather be poor than work something i hate

[full rune]

What's a good pokemon to inflict sleep with so I can pair it with Lunala

Rn I'm using clodsire but ik there's probably better put there

[lofty tartan]

Erm. Amoonguss?

[left bobcat]

Erm

[astral kelp]

clodsire sleep 💀

[lofty tartan]

The Clod

[solid frigate]

cloddy moment

[lofty tartan]

Idk why people are trying to force Clodsire in a restricted reg. No offense to anyone doing it

It's just so bad

[astral kelp]

wait can someone explain to me how ev trainng works

do i have to have the pokemon out for it?

or can i just have it in the back

[lofty tartan]

No it just has to be in the party really.

[astral kelp]

ic

[lofty tartan]

Pretty sure it affects all six

[astral kelp]

thank god lol

[lofty tartan]

It's been a hot minute since I've done ev training manually

The last time was the literal beginning of SV

[solid frigate]

i seen like two already lmao

[solid frigate]

and clodsire is still mid-

[lofty tartan]

No the beginning of SV was the last time I ev trained manually.

Been vitamins since.

[solid frigate]

Oh

[astral kelp]

im not ritch enough :(

[lofty tartan]

Clod hasn't been remotely usable since Reg A though

👀

[solid frigate]

im still doing it manually cuz Item printer is a gamble machine with no drawbacks

[astral kelp]

252 i needs like 250k money JUST for one spa stat

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-gif-11630051

[astral kelp]

i dont have it ;-;

[solid frigate]

That pretty darn cheap

[astral kelp]

i have like 600k total rn

[lofty tartan]

Item Printer is my jam.

[solid frigate]

25 Vitamins or Mochi is like really good deal

[full rune]

Vitamins is stuff like carbon and stuff yeah?

[lofty tartan]

It takes me less than an hour to fully train a team

[solid frigate]

yes but in Pokemon is for EVing the pokemon

[full rune]

What about feathers then

[solid frigate]

My Reg I team is already built and that took line what 15 minutes

[lofty tartan]

Feathers are worth 1 EV point. Vitamins are 10

[full rune]

I didn't know that, good to know bc I use a ton of them

[lofty tartan]

So a combination of the two lets you fine tune things without manual training

156 ev points = 15 vitamins 6 feathers of the corresponding stat

26 vitamins will do the 252 cap

[full rune]

What about hyper training

[solid frigate]

thats IVs

[lofty tartan]

That's for IVs

So hyper trained IVs are 31 value, which affects stat gains by level, and overall stat total

[full rune]

Oooh okay

[astral kelp]

if its best its 31 if its hyper trained its 31 but not naturally?

is that how that works?

[lofty tartan]

Best is a natural 31 yeah

[left bobcat]

32

[lofty tartan]

No Good is nat zero

[solid frigate]

Help me-

What is my dialga doing

[lofty tartan]

Pooping

[left bobcat]

Taking a shit

[lofty tartan]

Everybody poops

[left bobcat]

Nuh uh

[full rune]

Also silly question but does wide guard work the same as protect or does it only work for AoE moves, I'm considering Iron Valiant for this reason but idk

[lofty tartan]

Only spread moves

[left bobcat]

Yeah what bro said

[full rune]

Oooh okay

[lofty tartan]

Single targets will get through it

[solid frigate]

now i cant unsee Palkia doing that lmao

[lofty tartan]

But the value in Wide Guard is real

[solid frigate]

especially in this format

[lofty tartan]

Most heavy hitting restricteds that matter come packaged with some nuts spread move

[full rune]

Especially with Astral barrage i believe

[solid frigate]

calys,Kyogre,Groudon,Terapagos after tera

[full rune]

The day I get Calyrex I'm getting my vengeance

[lofty tartan]

Water Spout, Astral Barrage, Glacial Lance, Precipice Blades, Origin Pulse, Tera Starstorm, all the other really really good spread moves thst aren't signature

[left bobcat]

Yeah all that SHIT

[solid frigate]

or ummm you know

Choice Scarf Surging Strikes from Urshifu water in the rain lmao

[left bobcat]

Or-

[full rune]

Fair, all I have rn are choice specs rn they're really expensive

[solid frigate]

and tera water in rain just chunks non bulky Kyogre anyway

[solid frigate]

grinding time

[full rune]

I'm on a really bad losing streak so I'm hoping to improve gradually

With help ofc

[lofty tartan]

Losing just is a thing that happens. Can't win em all.

[solid frigate]

yeah its fine to lose some

[lofty tartan]

Coming out of it having learned something is always best case scenario. Look at games you've done and evaluate what you did and could have done better.

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me giving miraidon sandwiches

[lofty tartan]

Safe plays are good. Don't overpredict your opponents

[astral kelp]

this sounds NASTY irl

like ew

[solid frigate]

i rather have like lobster Pasta with Garlic Bread

[astral kelp]

bruh why didnt it work??

[full rune]

It's 10/30 last time I checked, the only pokemon that I have that actually knows wide guard at this moment in time is unfortunately regigas 😔

[astral kelp]

its only encounter power 1

but i did exactly 2 sald 2 vinegar 3 noodles

did i miss something?

[solid frigate]

support Gigas is actually viable way to build it without Geezing

[lofty tartan]

Game8 doesn't always have the best info

I know that site format

[astral kelp]

is there a better option?

[solid frigate]

i always Clown on them having mid ass builds lmao

[lofty tartan]

For just like non-herba Sammies?

[astral kelp]

yeah

[full rune]

Oooh yay, I'll transfer it out of my pearl boxes later then for a temporary stand in for iron valiant

[solid frigate]

i actually build one for someone for showdown

Lemme get the spread

[lofty tartan]

One moment

[full rune]

Regigigas is my favorite gigas

[solid frigate]

Regi*

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Spirit Break
• Encore
• Wide Guard
• Thunder Wave

This spread can cook but idk

[full rune]

My only issue with my iron valiant is that it isn't at the level to learn wide guard yet

[lofty tartan]

Try this and get back to me

[solid frigate]

4 noodle

Nough said

[lofty tartan]

There's this too

[astral kelp]

whgat site do you get this from?

[lofty tartan]

This last one is a sandwich calculator

https://birbzone.com/sandwich/

[solid frigate]

ah yea how to train your Koraidon/Miraidon Calculator

[astral kelp]

tyty iull check latyer

[lofty tartan]

If I cared about nicknaming my pokes they'd be Sandwich and Other Sandwich

[astral kelp]

encounter pwoer 1 should be good for now

[full rune]

Also would an Ushifiru with extra pp still be considered legal/allowed? Considering using those pp increase things on it

[solid frigate]

i think i nicked most of them

[solid frigate]

you can

[full rune]

Yay

[lofty tartan]

PP maxing is optimal

[astral kelp]

im decimating the girafarig population

[lofty tartan]

There's differences in what you should and shouldn't max, but that's a bit deeper down the VGC rabbit hole

[full rune]

I'm thinking of just increasing surging strikes

[lofty tartan]

It's all situational and you're fine just maxing most things

Surging Strikes and Close Combat should be max

[full rune]

Noted

[lofty tartan]

Aqua Jet is like... you don't need to

You're not likely to use all of it in a game

[full rune]

Yeahe

[lofty tartan]

You can do protect - detect is like sometimes you do sometimes you don't - depends on how scared you are of Encore

[full rune]

I'm thinking about giving my Lunala a twisted spoon for it's held item since I have one from naively thinking that the item machine would give me more pokemon materials

[full rune]

Encore isn't scary if you're using a choice band 😁

[astral kelp]

disable tho

we love scream tail

[full rune]

Planning on giving disable to my iron valiant too

[astral kelp]

iron valient has better options tbh

[full rune]

Yeah ik

Besides encore being used on my Clefairy wouldn't be too terrible since I mainly use life dew to keep my pokemon alive

Otherwise I just use moves that lower the other teams stats, I don't have my switch rn to look at it's moveset but I remember it's something like this

-move that lowers def or sp def
-encore
-draining kiss
-life dew

[astral kelp]

My first hypermax stat ayy

Draining kiss does like nothing on clefairy Imm be real

[full rune]

Fair

[lofty tartan]

Clef probably better as Follow Me/Friend Guard Eviolite support if anything

[astral kelp]

encore is kinda mid on a slow mon like clef

after you is great into trick room

that mon has a lot of options

btw how does power band work exactly?

if i kll a pokemon that gives 2 evs it will give me 10 evs in total?

what if i kill a mon with 1 ev will it be 5?

[lofty tartan]

https://marriland.com/guides/ev-training/

This has your answers

There's a section on Power items

And answers everything else you could ever question about the process

(even shows you where to EV train what stat in various games)

[astral kelp]

tyty all the resources ive been able to find have been kinda ass

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

Marriland usually has some good info, and a weakness calc that's pretty great

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/en/

You can find coverage charting, weakness charting, other useful bits

Just populate with a team. Add moves. Advanced mode gives you more options

[astral kelp]

Ye I saw that a while aolgo when I was making a program that did something similiar

Im looming over the like guides they have now

Pretty awesome site

[lofty tartan]

I love Marriland team builder.

For mobile apps I use this though

Don't worry bout that reg H team there

[astral kelp]

this says level 2 but i only got encounter power 1 :(

the scam

[lofty tartan]

Hmm

[solid frigate]

the decidueye-

[lofty tartan]

What

[solid frigate]

the leaf storm lmao

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah

🤷

Supposed to be like leaf blade

[astral kelp]

this is so exciting now i have all my hp stats set

had to do some mathing hahaha

[astral kelp]

do i need 108 evs into speed

i feel like i could use some more atk or defence

[charred saddle]

is it ur set?

if its otherbpeople set then ask them or see the team context

they might want to reach certain speed to get like

after 1 icy wind outspeeds this

and also faster FO

[astral kelp]

heres the contest btw

yeah my set