competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Ho Oh is FAT specially

[exotic grotto]

Is Ho-Oh a restricted legendary?

[opal inlet]

HYPEROFFENSE FOR THE WIN 🗣️ 🗣️

[shadow wind]

I had a team with that

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[bold geode]

Sure is

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[solid frigate]

any box art legendary is a restricted

[opal inlet]

bulky hooh sweeper w specs sacred flame might be cracked

[solid frigate]

sacred fire is physical

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately Koraidon is 10x better than Groudon in that duo

[chrome knot]

@opal inlet go do your work,,,,,

[opal inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-coffee-machine-deer-my-deer-friend-nokotan-gif-40057862468207753

[lofty tartan]

He's got Brave Bird and Sacred Fire

[solid frigate]

dunno why but yeah

[bold geode]

CSR Zam is more like
Either balance setup or just like a bulkier offense style

[opal inlet]

band

[atomic mural]

wait holy shit that pfp is awesome

[lofty tartan]

Brave Bird + Regenerator is so good

[shadow wind]

Can even run flare blitz

[opal inlet]

grrr im on spring break all of it is done grrr

[lofty tartan]

Sacred Fire over Blitz for the coinflip burn

[shadow wind]

Shouldn't but could if AV for whatever reason

AV Ho oh 💀

[solid frigate]

+Lefties or Clear Amulet

FOr either Survivability or Intim proof

[lofty tartan]

If it doesn't KO that thing is not in a good spot

[bold geode]

Sacred Fire on Ho Oh is the move

[lofty tartan]

Call the FBI

[shadow wind]

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh in Electric Terrain: 236-278 (110.7 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I was too hopeful 😔

[lofty tartan]

We all know E Drift is dummy damage

[solid frigate]

Ho-Oh @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 172 HP / 180 Atk / 52 Def / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Brave Bird
• Tailwind
• Protect

Really tempted to run Grass but i lose to CIR so nope

[lofty tartan]

But you'd tera Ho-Oh in front of Mirai, probs

[opal inlet]

its ok we have koraidon

[shadow wind]

Not if I'm behind a light screen !

[lofty tartan]

Man I sort of believe Scale Shot Korai.

[solid frigate]

also just let any supports deal with Miraidon anyway

[opal inlet]

id say water is the play but its still 2x weak to mirai

[lost sun]

could cherrim and groudon/koraidon work

[shadow wind]

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh in Electric Terrain through Light Screen: 157-185 (73.7 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

It took way less damage than I expected

[exotic grotto]

What's CIR?

[opal inlet]

ice rider

[foggy lodge]

Like I would expect 200% atleast

[solid frigate]

its ok anyway cuz like Grass helps immunity to spore

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[solid frigate]

ice honse

[shadow wind]

Do you know Ho oh?

[opal inlet]

yea grass would be better

[shadow wind]

Clearly you aren't familiar with his game

[lost sun]

could cherrim and groudon/koraidon work

[solid frigate]

but then again i am running Miraidon with it

[opal inlet]

resist elec + immune to spore type shi

[opal inlet]

run hooh korai dawg 😭

THE POWER OF THE SUN

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/06e2ac218fa28919

[foggy lodge]

if cherrim was in the game it would probably not

[lofty tartan]

Second place - 7-2 finish on Limitless

[solid frigate]

cherrim is not even in the game-

[foggy lodge]

A japanese player got 2nd place with Koraidon Ho-Oh

[solid frigate]

AV Mirai lmao

[foggy lodge]

I think Ho-Oh is actually good

[solid frigate]

its definetly at worst Anti Meta

[lofty tartan]

Agree. Korai/Ho-Oh is hype. I think it's the best pairing for it

[foggy lodge]

Also another japanese player won with CSR Pagos and Inci Rilla Amoonguss Urshifu

[exotic grotto]

Wow! Do you know which type of tournament was it?

[foggy lodge]

I thought that double physical restricted was bad but I think it isn't bad in the end

[solid frigate]

cring but its pagos anyway

[opal inlet]

hmm what if outrage korai..,,

• band

[atomic mural]

just found this team on a reg I tournament

[solid frigate]

nope

[foggy lodge]

Let me search it

There are a lot of japanese tournaments that are important

[solid frigate]

i'm praying for their sanity

[shadow wind]

I'm going to run utility umbrella Araquanid

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[lofty tartan]

Wild

[atomic mural]

let me know how it is

[lofty tartan]

Umbrella Araquanid lol

[shadow wind]

Trust me he'll be goated

[atomic mural]

araquanid supremacy might be back chat

[foggy lodge]

Well I don't know what tournament it was but it was a very big japanese tournament

[shadow wind]

Thing actually could do well

[lofty tartan]

I like funny water bug but I think his time may have passed

[solid frigate]

Araquanid with Umbrella hat

[foggy lodge]

UB Slow made the team

[shadow wind]

Resists all the scary physical guys

Wait

There we go

[solid frigate]

tbf you don't really need to run Utility Umbrella anyway cuz Water Bubble makes its Water Moves won't get nerfed by sun i belive

[foggy lodge]

The second team comes from a very important tournament

[shadow wind]

Wait really?

[lofty tartan]

I can dig Treads right now in a way.

[tiny karma]

Ability: Water Bubble

This Pokemon's offensive stat is doubled while using a Water-type attack. If a Pokemon uses a Fire-type attack against this Pokemon, that Pokemon's offensive stat is halved when calculating the damage to this Pokemon. This Pokemon cannot be burned. Gaining this Ability while burned cures it.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

The tournament than Kim poke won is the same tournament where marcofiero got his reg H team

[atomic mural]

well it doubles than gets halfed

[foggy lodge]

The torkoal jumpluff charizard team

[forest arrow]

UB Slow is where I got the Treads idea from

[foggy lodge]

So yeah it can be very important to look at them

[solid frigate]

so basically no nerfs

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

Lowkey might be a play

[solid frigate]

yeah so just ran a more valueable item than Umbrella since you expect to still do decent damage in sun

[shadow wind]

I've made worse teams so honestly why not

[forest arrow]

There was also a ho-oh mirai team

[lofty tartan]

I mean... that's fair.

[shadow wind]

I'll put it on the back burner though, I got bigger fish to fry

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

I will be frying that guy

[solid frigate]

i literally just

Make some alters on this team and god i hate my sanity

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/e2be4252ff5369ec holy peak

[forest arrow]

Oh god

[atomic mural]

found this on labmaus

[lofty tartan]

That's kinda cool honestly.

[shadow wind]

Looks like my kinda team

[forest arrow]

Definitely your speed

[foggy lodge]

Conner your kyogre gif freezed my phone

[forest arrow]

Araquanid lovers

[lofty tartan]

Your phone got spouted

[shadow wind]

Hopefully Groudon unthaws it

[solid frigate]

that reminds me like

I froze more teams with Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

Beams

[shadow wind]

I like when Kyogres ice beam my Bolt and do 30%

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/waddle-doo-beam-attack-failboat-kirby-gif-26923084

[foggy lodge]

CSR Koraidon Smeargle can go crazy

[dense latch]

sounds grueling to face

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

[solid frigate]

beam attack

[dense latch]

smeargle use smeargle beam

[atomic mural]

failboat reference

cooking starts NOW

[bold geode]

Me when I drop my phone in the bidet

[lofty tartan]

You have a bidet?

[bold geode]

I'm a Southern man from Texas
What do you think

[lofty tartan]

No

[bold geode]

Exactly LMAO

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-ha-got-heem-got-em-got-him-gif-4824899

[solid frigate]

wait thats just Dark Void

[exotic grotto]

Is that your Regulation I team?

[dense latch]

i dont even want to imagine 2016 smeargle in this meta

i’d lowkey quit vgc

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely agree with that.

[atomic mural]

nah im bringing sword fish to Milwaukee but this will cook

[lofty tartan]

Dark Void Smeargle is awful

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[solid frigate]

poor darkrai tho

[lofty tartan]

Who cares, he's a Mythical

[dense latch]

yea bro caught a stray for no reason

[lofty tartan]

Bro's never gonna see the light of day anyway

[solid frigate]

LMFAO

[bold geode]

L + only obtainable in events

[foggy lodge]

debate

Behemoth bash or heavy slam zama for this format

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[exotic grotto]

Are Mythicals allowed to be used?

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-klavier-gavin-air-guitar-objection-klavier-gif-14005697234963771692

[lofty tartan]

No, Mythicals are not allowed.

[bold geode]

Preference tbh

[foggy lodge]

this one is my favorite why tf did he do that

[solid frigate]

Bash imo

[lofty tartan]

Bash because there's a lot of heavy guys

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[foggy lodge]

I saw the argument of Lunala too

But ig it depends on how popular tera fairy Lunala is

[bold geode]

Does your team need Heavy Slam to hit targets like Amoongus or Whims better or does it need Bash to hit heavier Fairy guys like Tera Fairy Bolt and Tera Fairy Miraidon better

[solid frigate]

how heavy is Lunala-

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

Weight (Low Kick BP)

120kg (100 BP)

Height

4m

Introduced

Generation 7

Pre-evolution

Cosmoem

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Purple

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

Heavy slam is 120 BP against it

[dense latch]

idk how much does the moon weigh

[lofty tartan]

264

[chrome knot]

anyone wanna run set

[solid frigate]

also Lunala is like 2 doors tall is beyond me

[dense latch]

why does lunala get so much lighter after evolving share the gym routine

[foggy lodge]

I can

[chrome knot]

send to x-3 panic girl

[foggy lodge]

okok

[solid frigate]

cuz like

it wants to fly ig

[exotic grotto]

Is 100 BP the max damage that Low Kick can give?

[lofty tartan]

Cosmoem is the protostar pokemon so like... huge mass

[solid frigate]

i love Astrology man

[solid frigate]

120 BP

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[lofty tartan]

Lunala gets a lot heavier after it becomes Dawn Wings though. 771lbs

[near crag]

Any ideas on how to improve this team? https://pokepast.es/0a2af3a47ff89064 I'm trying to use eleki, and I think it has good potential, just rly awkward to build with

[bold geode]

So it wakes up at 3:50 AM....

[lofty tartan]

What're the problems you're facing with it?

[bold geode]

Oh fuck I gotta do my thing now huh

[lofty tartan]

Looks pretty fine except Peli feels like a sitting duck without Sash or Protect.

I don't think you need two WG

[solid frigate]

Necrozma moment

[near crag]

the speed tiers are really awkward, so a team with strong speed control kinda walks over me

[lofty tartan]

Hyper Beam is pretty meh on Eleki, actually. Volt Switch probs better

Four attack tera blast sash Eleki. Tbolt, Eweb, Tera Blast, Volt Switch

[bold geode]

So first off

1. Why does Eleki have Hyper Beam
2. Tbh I don't think this is honestly the right team for Eleki, those two mons when paired together tend to go Hard TR
3. I honestly feel the rain aspect of the team might be a little forced for some odd reason

[near crag]

Been between these two, hyper beam is for that one scenario where eleki is staring down a ground type, but looking at it now volt switch seems better

[lofty tartan]

Eleki has had some decent success with CIR in Reg G as a fast option with Volt Switch to pivot TR mons if needed

[solid frigate]

or just protect in favour on removing Tera Blast cuz Eleki can be annoying

[bold geode]

This is what CIR is here for, why they have decent synergy
Any Ground types you kinda just blast with Glacial Lance

[lofty tartan]

But yeah, Hyper Beam isn't gonna do diddly with 100 SpAtk and no boosting anywhere

[solid frigate]

also mystic water Urshifu would be pretty ass

in this reg

[near crag]

Why?

[near crag]

What would be a nice pair for it, then?

[solid frigate]

you need speed to OHKO CSR with Surging Strikes before it does anything-

[bold geode]

I think Mystic Water is probably fine, though Sash/Scarf on Ursh would be more beneficial

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
So first off CIR would be

[dense latch]

cir mirai kinda ass

[bold geode]

Actually
I have seen some CIR Kyogre comps before
I would maybe try that

[bold geode]

It's getting better but lemme guess
You're running Arubega

[solid frigate]

also

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT CALY SPREAD

THANKS FOR THE FREE ELECTRO DRIFT

[dense latch]

sorry i never got to do the bit

[bold geode]

LOL

[dense latch]

im using the 7th place cir mirai valiant team

[bold geode]

We do this thing chat
Called gaslighting

[near crag]

Mb, pasted the wrong one for the paste

[bold geode]

Paste plz? I forget what all it had

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/563819851c8edead

[bold geode]

Oh
Still in near realms of Arubega though differences
This team is fine though like
Actually lemme look real quick

[dense latch]

alex underhill was running it on stream today and he copied the hp stats from the competitor's stream

apparently it was max hp mirai

[exotic grotto]

Your team is really strong!

[dense latch]

i wish it was mine lol

i did think about this six

[bold geode]

I see
Thx for that info

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[dense latch]

but i was using volc over rockpon for most of my testing

justin tang also recreated the team but he was max speed miraidon

[lofty tartan]

Makes sense

[dense latch]

the miraidon mirrors are so awkward until you know who's faster

so that could be nice

[bold geode]

Actually yeah that's the one I saw I liked
Actually funny enough though I talk shit about it
Just outside the top cut there was this Mirai Zam team that copied Ugartes Reg G team a bit and I kinda vibed with it low-key

[exotic grotto]

Is Calyrex Ice Rider better with more Special defense base points than Speed base points?

[bold geode]

Depends on if there's something you wanna outspeed with like TW for speed stat or whatever but generally yes Spdef is better cuz Calyrex Ice Rider usually likes to be bulky and also work in Trick Room a bit more

[solid frigate]

HP Atk SpD invest most of the time

Some CIR can run Speed but like

Only in Tailroom teams,like Tang Team in San Antonio

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[bold geode]

Yup

Actually I just realized there's one QoL thing I can do that's simple
Imma pin a doc in here sometime or another with VGC slang

[opal inlet]

monke its been like a month but with reg i here i need new ways to make my glorious king relevant in vgc https://pokepast.es/cc45d794f40f42b5

maybe i could go with mirai specs discharge spam

[bold geode]

You want me to entertain this or do you want me to be honest

[opal inlet]

but rilla also walls that

[lofty tartan]

Errrrr

[chrome knot]

@bold geode play set

[opal inlet]

i know clod is cooked vro

[bold geode]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Can I get like 10 min?

[bold geode]

Ok well I guess if you really wanna do this
Since it's a Hard TR team already, I would see how you could potentially slot in E Force Lunala

[opal inlet]

i see

[near crag]

Fixed most y'all told me to, but it's still kinda awkward https://pokepast.es/847c85fbb1840b83

[bold geode]

Wait
It's not Hard TR

[bold geode]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeesshhhhhhh
Make it Hard TR, fuck it

[lofty tartan]

Honestly it'd have to be Hard TR

[solid frigate]

cloddy is just slow af anyways

go Hard TR and have a worse Ursaluna

[opal inlet]

clod will be relevant i swear

[next stump]

CIR sticks out like a sore thumb on this comp IMO

[bold geode]

This looks better
Though tbh in the Incin or Urshifu slot I would love to see either a Tornadus or a Farigiraf

Actually listen to Dillon on this one

[dense latch]

james baek featured a nj11 worlds inspired team not too long ago

[opal inlet]

it is i just have urshi there for fwg core

[dense latch]

im the biggest eleki fan ever but idk how to feel abt it in this format

[bold geode]

Listen to Dillon, he knows way more about CIR than I dk

[solid frigate]

trust me i tried to help someone to think about Clodsire in Comp on a HSR Server and i am not dealing with it

[opal inlet]

on an hsr server is wild work 😭 😭

[bold geode]

It don't work that way brother
You don't need a core for Hard TR, you just go in guns blazing

Set up TR
Blast ass loads of damage
Profit

Lemme try and find uh

[solid frigate]

yeah also Urshifu can beat it anyway so yeah i'm not a beliver sorry

[dense latch]

why core when glacial lance :))

[near crag]

I see it, but the point is to build around eleki, that's kinda why caly is there. Do you think lunala would fit better that slot, or would it be better to get just another random restricted, or rebuild the thing from scratch?

[dense latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vatx1cyxZY&ab_channel=JamesBaek

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I think building around Eleki in Reg I is not the way. You really want to build around your Restricted options and support their strengths.

Regieleki is niche, at best, following his nerf from Sw/Sh.

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/692a2084d7116906
@opal inlet for Hard TR you'd be looking at something more like this

[bold geode]

This

[near crag]

That was the starting idea I ran with

[next stump]

if you’re going to include CIR on an eleki comp, you want to run pretty fast on the CIR. Also maybe drop Incin for Rillaboom, especially to help out with the miraidon MU

[opal inlet]

mmm i see i see
now would that urshi be min spd

[dense latch]

i don't know if the navjit team translates into reg i super well though

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Dillon was who I asked when I wanted to run Eleki/CIR - he knows his stuff

[near crag]

Then how could I deal with CSR?

[next stump]

Eleki + water spout

[bold geode]

Min speed works yeah

[solid frigate]

i don't have the privlege sadly

[next stump]

landorus can also hit it well with scarf

[opal inlet]

i see i see

[bold geode]

Usually like
Everything on Hard TR teams will be 0 IV speed unless there's a piece on the team that needs to not be 0 IV for a very specific reason

[near crag]

But most of them would lead it with whims/torn, so it'd kinda break it, wouldn't it?

[bold geode]

For example, some Hard TR players ran Scarf Taunt Urshifu in order to outspeed some Imprison Flutter Mane and Taunt them

[next stump]

incin doesn’t really solve that though, you would need something like farigiraf

[bold geode]

But now that situation will barely ever come up unless it's the Ice Rider itself using Imprison iirc

[lofty tartan]

Imprison CIR 👀

That'd be nutso

[opal inlet]

i have seen it used in showdown before

[bold geode]

2nd place Vancouver ran that

[opal inlet]

granted that was 1100 elo

[foggy lodge]

My friend used it

Its good but the bad part is it that you always depend on the tie

[lofty tartan]

I mean when thinking Reg I

[chrome knot]

i take it back bruh like im down horrendous rn

[solid frigate]

I think the only reason i made this meme cuz i finally have Coffee

[solid frigate]

wtf

[foggy lodge]

oh wait you said CIR im dumb

Yeah imprison CIR is super cool

[near crag]

https://pokepast.es/bf47a225132ec898 That does look a lot better! Any last thoughts before I ladder it out?

[atomic mural]

thoughts on lorb kyogre

[lofty tartan]

Maybe Ice Beam over Thunder on Kyogre. You already have a lot of electric coverage in Eleki

[bold geode]

Is that you running that girlie

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/1a7f8becba6b4457

the kingsire

[chrome knot]

[lofty tartan]

And honestly I think U-Turn over Psychic on Landorus if Scarf

[chrome knot]

Nothing works and im tired of trying

[bold geode]

No Emma
This isn't you

(Fuck it we ball honestly)

[near crag]

Then do you think I should switch the tera too?

[opal inlet]

that smeargle looks absolutely devious

[solid frigate]

no.

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I think Kyogre should be Water or Grass tera.

[foggy lodge]

Ghost can have niches too imo

[bold geode]

Better but honestly I'd replace Amoongus with either a sweeper like Torkoal or maybe even another redirect like Smeargle or even Ogerpon Cornerstone
Actually Torkoal would be pretty neat

[near crag]

was gonna say that

[solid frigate]

i seen Poison Tera Kyogre but like that PRETTY NICHE

[opal inlet]

aww yeah torkoal just like good ol reg d

w flutteryu torksire

[lofty tartan]

Tera Ghost if you're worried about Fake Out but it also puts you in a position where you can just fold to a late game Caly-S

[near crag]

makes sense

[solid frigate]

grass is just feels the best for bulky ogre overall

water is just for HO Ogre

[opal inlet]

what are the thoughts of fire kyogre

[bold geode]

Nah just Tork over shroom be fine
You have Bolt after all

[solid frigate]

Mystic Water Ogre can try both but seen more success on Water

[solid frigate]

Urshifu Water Food

[opal inlet]

fuck thats true

[atomic mural]

aw man

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 132 HP / 68 Def Kyogre in Rain on a critical hit: 114-135 (59.3 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

thats before Tera btw

[chrome knot]

i dont know

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 132 HP / 68 Def Tera Fire Kyogre in Rain on a critical hit: 456-540 (237.5 - 281.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

i think that kills in the first hit of Surging strikes-

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Aqua Jet vs. 132 HP / 68 Def Tera Fire Kyogre in Rain: 156-184 (81.2 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

LMFAO

[opal inlet]

https://pokepast.es/746427c39f92d48e

[lofty tartan]

Oh boy time for work

[rustic mountain]

another alt top 500, 76% gxe had some sloppy games

[bold geode]

Hey that's still solid

[rustic mountain]

@shadow wind u know i said lunala and ho oh were annoying but not too problematic. well together yea thats a rough one haha

[rustic mountain]

i hit 80% the other day so not quite my peak is all

also grats on comp helper

[bold geode]

Yeah but still not bad
Over 75%

Also thx

[rustic mountain]

no not bad at all

70+ is really good imo

80+ is cracked

[bold geode]

100%

[rustic mountain]

csr/zama just feels too good rn

[bold geode]

That's the #1 comp

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Did you use Shohei's 6 or

[rustic mountain]

thats like
pao-rilla-urshi-torn-csr-zama right

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

nah ive been using
csr/zama/urshi single/incin/rilla/bolt

[bold geode]

Oh ok so basically the one other core

[rustic mountain]

p much yea

[exotic grotto]

Great team!

[rustic mountain]

been running it since practically day 1

[bold geode]

Idk it's weird not using Zam with Pao on those comps but at the same time fitting Pao in those comps can be a little funky

[plain drum]

The orange and yellow together is insane

[rustic mountain]

skittles

[rustic mountain]

i jus love sash csr

so pao is tough to fit on

[exotic grotto]

What Pokémon are those?

[lofty tartan]

Agree.

[bold geode]

I'm honestly like more tuned to Lorb CSR now
Makes setting up an option instead of a necessity

[rustic mountain]

i rarely set up w/ sash

plots just there for passive play/turns i think i can capitalize

[bold geode]

Yeah but like I felt like for example the Cloak sets wanted to set up more often

[rustic mountain]

more jus staying infront of stuff and not having to tera

oh cloak for sure

i thought u meant for my sash set

lorb is good tho

[lofty tartan]

I like Lorb

Just depends on the team

[bold geode]

Nah
When I use Sash CSR honestly I just do like HO and rip Helping Hand Tera Ghost Astral Barrage

[lofty tartan]

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[lofty tartan]

Dear God I hope I get this other job tomorrow

[rustic mountain]

i tera csr sometimes

zama prolly the thing i tera most

[lofty tartan]

Makes sense.

[astral kelp]

Yknow when i play sash csr I feel like the only time sash gets procked is when I misplay

Idk if that's just me tho

[bold geode]

Eh mine might usually be like
Whenever I don't get KOs
But I'm kinda dumb with Sash CSR tbf

Honestly the one issue I have with Zam CSR sometimes is that both restricteds honestly sometimes can probably be position heavy

[rustic mountain]

sash csr is like astral barrage chunk things or come in and finish things off and steamroll in the right spot

[astral kelp]

I switched back to lorb because if the amount of kills I barely miss lol

[astral kelp]

Ye that makes sense actually

You don't bring cst in first

[rustic mountain]

rarely

most teams over lead for it anyway

[lofty tartan]

I was about to say that lol

[astral kelp]

I usually start wheezing and roaring moon

[bold geode]

Either that or they always have a switch in that can be pretty obvious sometimes

[rustic mountain]

or tera yea

[bold geode]

(Though that hasn't stopped me from whiffing Astral Barrage)

[shadow wind]

Together is crazy

[bold geode]

I'm still learning the honse okay

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I think some people lean too much on CSR lead and it ends up biting them

[shadow wind]

Who is running Lunala Ho oh 😭😭

[rustic mountain]

zama is borderline unbringable

some guy who beat me earlier

[shadow wind]

Bro doesn’t get to play

[lofty tartan]

Lunala Ho-Oh?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Interesting

[shadow wind]

Zama actually just doesn’t get to do anything

[dense latch]

W nicknames

[bold geode]

The one problem I have with the Zama CSR double Fake Out comps is like
Some of them look like they really just still put all the eggs in the Shadow Rider basket

[rustic mountain]

if i dont bring zama i think i win i just thought id be fine

[shadow wind]

They nullify a whole restricted

[rustic mountain]

zama might threaten the partners but u cant ko ho oh quick enough w/o likely getting burned

[lofty tartan]

I could get behind Lunala Ho-Oh. Sounds cool

[shadow wind]

And Lunala protects itself with Wide guard

[rustic mountain]

yea which makes csr's life more difficult

[bold geode]

Like honestly I think the ones with Pao have that problem the least but like
The ones that have Ogerpon Hearthflame with Rilla Incin Shifu? You know that Ogerpon is probably not 100% there for offense

[shadow wind]

Could be mitigated I guess if you ran psyshock?

[rustic mountain]

i do it was still tough

[shadow wind]

Oh really?

[bold geode]

I honestly had that idea before

[dense latch]

what's the reasoning behind darkfu over water? haven't seen that on csr zama yet

[rustic mountain]

like i said if i dropped zama i prolly win but i didnt see it

[shadow wind]

How much did it do to the Ho oh?

[rustic mountain]

i think 60ish

[bold geode]

You know about the Psyshock Chien Pao tech?

[shadow wind]

Ah you still brought, makes more sense now

[shadow wind]

Yuh

[rustic mountain]

nah i didnt lab the mu till after have never fought both at once before

[bold geode]

Funny tech but like
Honestly I think Psychic is more reliable

[shadow wind]

Sash Pao makes my life miserable 😔

[rustic mountain]

for the mirror

[shadow wind]

That’s fair though, I’ve never seen the pair before either

[dense latch]

oh fair enough

[lofty tartan]

It's the first I've thought of running the two but I dig it

[rustic mountain]

also solid into some other comps

[dense latch]

congrats on the top 500s btw

[rustic mountain]

oh thx haha its nothing early format kinda easy

i got like 5 alts in there rn

[dense latch]

damn

[lofty tartan]

Going ham on Reg I

[shadow wind]

I think I have 3?

[dense latch]

i've only done something similar once

[rustic mountain]

so far a much better format then reg g imo

[shadow wind]

Although I was moreso sweating on 2 than anything else

[dense latch]

towards the end of reg h i think i had like four or five alts in bo1 t500

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure. There's a lot of cool stuff going on

[rustic mountain]

i feel like i can actually play the game

reg g was so volatile

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely

[dense latch]

i don't think i've cracked 100 reg i games on my main yet

[rustic mountain]

i miss reg h

[lofty tartan]

Tree is like my brother

[dense latch]

taking it much slower bc all i face is csr zama :((

[lofty tartan]

Reg H my beloved

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

i mean obviously it's the strongest duo

[rustic mountain]

yea its been winning vr tours too

so more ppl r gna be picking it up rn

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/29e44fea2cbd6678 this is what im running rn

[rustic mountain]

i like it

[dense latch]

the original team had max hp miraidon which i got from the vod

[rustic mountain]

i feel like i saw this team do well

oh ok word

[dense latch]

7th in the vr tour

[rustic mountain]

right yea was like this looks familiar

[dense latch]

i was rocking a similar core not too long ago so it felt nice to see that do well

[lofty tartan]

I might just try to brew some Lunala Ho-Oh for fun. See how it does

[rustic mountain]

this core seems like the best ive seen so far

[lofty tartan]

Tree you remember the six?

[dense latch]

alex underhill was running it on stream that's where i got some of the evs from

[rustic mountain]

valiant just kinda works

[dense latch]

i love moonblast valiant honestly

spirit break hits like a wet noodle

[rustic mountain]

i was running a lot of games sorry i dont

[dense latch]

i get the utility behind it but the chip is pretty strong with moonblast

[lofty tartan]

That's fine

[dense latch]

OHKOs scarf ursh and stuff

[rustic mountain]

yea

spirit break seems more for the sp atk drops

cuz u get that guaranteed

[dense latch]

why use spirit break when you can just get lucky with moonblast drops

[lofty tartan]

For sure. And most of the big scary is special attack stuff

[rustic mountain]

just get lucky

[shadow wind]

Hey that’s my entire gameplan!

[lofty tartan]

Lol

[rustic mountain]

u and many others

[dense latch]

honestly been considering timid mirai to make mirai mirrors less awkward

tho the max hp miraidon is kinda enticing too

[shadow wind]

But no one does it quite like me

[lofty tartan]

@bold geode we're gonna brew Lunala Ho-Oh

[bold geode]

Fuck yeah

[rustic mountain]

tru

[bold geode]

Probably can fit Amoongus on that

[lofty tartan]

Probably

[shadow wind]

Double regenerator core 😭

Man I hate this game

[lofty tartan]

I'm into double regenerator

[dense latch]

fuck it triple regenerator

i've seen toxapex ho-oh

[shadow wind]

TOXAPEX

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

I really like Ho-Oh right now though

[shadow wind]

Lunala
Ho oh
Incin
Amoonguss

[rustic mountain]

ho oh is usually an early meta pick that fades off cuz its mid but i think it might have merit into the meta

[bold geode]

Idk about Incin

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[rustic mountain]

its not just csr/zama it does well into incin/rilla stuff, hearthflame, walls koraidon

walls zacian

[lofty tartan]

Yeah right now I can probably just jam it and have fun while not being ass lmao

[bold geode]

Ho Oh
Lunala
Amoongus
Maybe like
Hands?
Urshifu?
Something around those lines

[shadow wind]

Hearthflame outside of sun

[lofty tartan]

Would we TW on Ho-Oh?

[rustic mountain]

some run tw

[shadow wind]

In sun that mon gets OHKO'd

[dense latch]

yea ho-oh is finally real

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

im waiting for the finally but it might be

[shadow wind]

+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh in Sun: 153-180 (84.5 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

You could

[rustic mountain]

u said ohko'd

thats also 0 bulk lmao

[shadow wind]

😔

[opal inlet]

🤝

[shadow wind]

Still a frick ton

[bold geode]

Anyways chat imma play Rivals now
Though if you need me for some reason just ping me and I'll get to it

[rustic mountain]

u better

[dense latch]

hf

[rustic mountain]

yea if u run into like the most niche ho oh set haha

its main thing is bulk nobody gna be running 0 hp nd def

[shadow wind]

True true

[lofty tartan]

Tree knows the deal

[shadow wind]

Why is the Zama I'm going against faster than their Pao and Miraidon

[dense latch]

252 Atk 252 SpAtk 4 Spe Ho-Oh is the real Ho-Oh set

[bold geode]

I'm watching you Tree

[shadow wind]

What's goin on here

[lofty tartan]

Gross

[bold geode]

(Me tripping balls in the forest)

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

You don't even live near a forest

[bold geode]

True
Though I drive a few hours
Get to Davy Crockett National Forest
Though I don't wanna go there

[dense latch]

can't go to any regionals so I'm sharing the sauce with those fortunate enough to be able to :))

[bold geode]

That's banjo country

[rustic mountain]

maybe modest mirai and adamant pao and max speed zama

[rustic mountain]

how kind of u

[shadow wind]

If they're max speed then there's no way they got bulk

If I hit a high horsepower I win 🙏

[rustic mountain]

idk if id say that u could still run some bulk

[shadow wind]

I love all my lines have an * next to em

[rustic mountain]

yea cuz u got like 80 inaccurate moves

[shadow wind]

I can win if I do this(and hit all my moves)

There's like 4 😭

[rustic mountain]

like i said, 80

[shadow wind]

😔

[lofty tartan]

For anyone that is doing upcoming Reggies, I can help supply mons for teams since I won't be going to another until I get my cash flow nailed down

[rustic mountain]

also p blades, hhp, heat wave, overheat, draco thats 5 right there

[shadow wind]

Nah I dropped chi yu

[rustic mountain]

ahhh

[shadow wind]

Pblades
High horsey
Draco
Snarl

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/c0f7de9fcb1e6853

Current team I'm testing

No clue if Whims is good for it but it's been alright

Goggles Lunala is also something I'm testing

[rustic mountain]

wats the appeal for whims outside tw

[shadow wind]

It's quite literally nothing

Besides like encore stuff

[dense latch]

6th spot def feels up for grabs

[shadow wind]

I just wanted prio tw

[rustic mountain]

i cant help but feel flutter would be more consistent

[shadow wind]

I had tried flutter but both her and Shifu want sash

[rustic mountain]

yea

tru

u try scarf urshi

?

[shadow wind]

I did not

Scarf adamant right?

[dense latch]

that sounds pretty strong actually

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

U turn as a 4th move or what?

[rustic mountain]

yes

[dense latch]

icy wind on flutter is not tw but it's speed control nonetheless

[shadow wind]

I might need to alter some speeds on my team but honestly sounds pretty strong

[rustic mountain]

i think flutter is more pro active. whims is there for tw and then its just kinda there

[shadow wind]

Just realized I was already adamant Shifu

[rustic mountain]

the teams not so ho u really take advantage of whims' other options imo idk

[shadow wind]

Yeah nothing that requires immediate protecting

[dense latch]

what speed does gdon hit at 12 evs

[shadow wind]

112

And in TW that's 224 baby

[dense latch]

oh yea for csr

[shadow wind]

Wait so with Flutter should I now run meteor beam Lunala?

[rustic mountain]

oh nd tera normal i think for flutter as well conner

feels like the best tera for it rn imo

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

The time of Tera normie Flutter is at hand

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/80947d489658b0b9

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

It's either pherb meteor beam or goggles moonblast

[dense latch]

i love metronome battles

[lofty tartan]

I don't dislike meteor beam Lunala but when it misses it's so beyond a dead slot

[dense latch]

it's the only format i'll ever be #1 in

[rustic mountain]

i like poison tera for defensive purposes on scarf urshi single

but dark seems fine

[shadow wind]

I don't really love Moongeist Meteor beam with nothing else so I'll need to test it

[lofty tartan]

I dig Poison on scarf or band Dark Ursh

[rustic mountain]

yea

agreed

[dense latch]

the resistances are strongg

[shadow wind]

Sure I'll try Poison

How should I play Shifu though? Cause one tera and he's doin nothin

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's solid

[dense latch]

i liked ghost in reg g but with csr zama it's much worse imo

[rustic mountain]

its mainly for speed booster flutter and zama so u dont just die

[lofty tartan]

Wicked Blow can do some stupid damage even to a resist

[shadow wind]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

i mainly use it for csr/zama mu or some csr/pagos teams

[dense latch]

forcing out a tera is pretty good still

[shadow wind]

I'm also wondering what speed tiers I should run with icy wind now

[rustic mountain]

nd yea usually forcing out the tera is nice nd depending on the position u live the turn and can jus swap and re position

my teams different tho i have good pivot pieces

[shadow wind]

And even my bolt doesn't really need his speed evs anymore

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Dark Ursh calls teras quite often. Just being around is enough to spook things

[rustic mountain]

nd if u know the common teras u just predict them

[lofty tartan]

There's value is burning your opp's resources ASAP

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

CC'ing into CSR is way too ballsy for me 😭

[lofty tartan]

That is super ballsy but we've all seen the Fake Out predict into Flutter

[rustic mountain]

nah not like that haha but still like if its csr next to something not threatening u just dont tera they cant really hit u and u just wicked blow anyway

[shadow wind]

I think I'm going to make my Groudon outspeed modest Miraidon after an icy

[rustic mountain]

and if they tera its like mika said thats just good for u generally

[rustic mountain]

unless ik the player im not gna make that aggressive of a predict cuz u usually dont need to

[shadow wind]

Man and there's no Groudon sets anywhere out there

Time to craft my own I guess

[lofty tartan]

Oh it's bonkers aggressive. I agree. It's just that we've all seen it over stream coverage xD

[rustic mountain]

yea jeudy the goat for that

[lofty tartan]

It's a bold as hell play that relies a lot on experience

Oh for sure

I also recall the Tera fairy flutter protect into Wicked Blow OHKO massive upset

[rustic mountain]

u mean wolfey at worlds?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

yea he got stunted on

[lofty tartan]

Was insane

[shadow wind]

How fast does Lunala even wanna be?

[lofty tartan]

Triple kick flip ohko flutter

Uhhhhh

[shadow wind]

I have trick room but now icy wind

[dense latch]

maybe outspeed the 135 base speed gang after an icy wind if that's not too much speed?

[rustic mountain]

u can have both

[lofty tartan]

I'd do some calcs for things at -1 speed and see how close it gets to Lunala as an anchor

[shadow wind]

I know, I got both I'm just wondering what middle ground I go for

[rustic mountain]

yea i misunderstood

[shadow wind]

All good

[rustic mountain]

id outspeed the sash urshi's and hearthflames at -1 for sure

[dense latch]

never mind this is way too much invest

[rustic mountain]

other then that u dont wanna be too speedy either

[lofty tartan]

Yeah just creep some of the faster things at -1

[shadow wind]

If you are calcing for speed boosting then yeah

Ogerpon caps at 178 right?

[rustic mountain]

iirc yea

something around there

[dense latch]

you only need like 20 speed evs for that i think

[rustic mountain]

thats more reasonable

[shadow wind]

Legendary change to my evs

[dense latch]

119

[shadow wind]

I moved 4 from spdef and 8 from hp

Insane change

[dense latch]

how much would it take for 252 modest mirai

[lofty tartan]

What's the item on Luna?

[shadow wind]

76 if I didn't want to speed tie with Groudon

[rustic mountain]

power herb

[shadow wind]

Yeah I'm testing meteor beam first

[lofty tartan]

Hmm. I almost wanna say go lefties

Meteor Beam is fine. It's not fully accurate and it's a one-and-done play.

[rustic mountain]

i also think max sp atk is excessive

[shadow wind]

I've honestly been swapping between Lefties, Pherb and goggles

[shadow wind]

Maybe with pherb yeah

[rustic mountain]

even w/o

[forest arrow]

180 hits the bump I believe

[rustic mountain]

lunala is bulky, lean into that

[shadow wind]

True

[lofty tartan]

Like go lefties, lower some hp investment for a full 1/16 recovery point and probably add more speed if you need 20 Spe investment to creep faster threats at -1

[rustic mountain]

u can have a decent amount of sp atk investment, hit ur jump point and just chunk things like lunala is supposed to while having good staying power

[shadow wind]

True

[lofty tartan]

Yeah SpA just hit bump

Lunala so bulky. Shadow Shield is bonkers

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/be02f7e0e95a8ce2 - I'll test this first and see if it needs any tweaks

[forest arrow]

52 spe evs hits 124 so your outspeeding jolly incin

I’d atleast go for that

[rustic mountain]

u gta look like how much more value ur getting making the full investment vs a bit less, like is 185 sp atk that much worse then 207 if u can live longer and chunk things for prolly the sameish range anyway? thats a random example but u get my point

[shadow wind]

Forgot some people run that

[lofty tartan]

That's a good point

[shadow wind]

🙏

[lofty tartan]

Jolly Incin is real. He can hurt you

Love me some turbo Incin

[shadow wind]

Knocks off my pherb AND does 70%

[rustic mountain]

turbo incin is semi real

ppl are running it

[lofty tartan]

He's real in my mind

[forest arrow]

I ran it for most of reg g

[rustic mountain]

hhaha no like it def exists

its just always more niche/team specific

[forest arrow]

I wouldn’t be surprised if people pick it up

Yeah fair

[lofty tartan]

Throw you should brew Lunala Ho-Oh with me an Monke

[rustic mountain]

mika plz stop

[lofty tartan]

No

[rustic mountain]

i dont wanna play more ho oh lunala

[shadow wind]

😭

[forest arrow]

I’m down

[lofty tartan]

Yes you do

You want your lines

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Now what are the odds they protect turn one

[rustic mountain]

fuck lines its just vibes

[lofty tartan]

I mean it sounds solid

[shadow wind]

Tera bug 😭

[forest arrow]

It does sound solid the more I think about it

[lofty tartan]

LOL WE TALKING ABOUT HO-OH AND HE SHALL APPEAR

[forest arrow]

tailroom is so free

[rustic mountain]

yea its tough especially for csr/zama

i was jus saying b4 i think u have to drop zama

[shadow wind]

Was going to do 4 damage but man

[lofty tartan]

Being strong into CSR/Zama is value

[shadow wind]

Can't have anything anymore

[rustic mountain]

ho oh walls zacian, koraidon, does well into incin/rilla urshi post tera

[forest arrow]

Isn’t the CSR/Zama pairing picking up more Rockpon for Ho oh? Or just fuck if we ball scenario?

[rustic mountain]

im heavily considering rockpon for that mu if it picks up

not for ho oh but lunala/ho oh

ho oh + other restricted is usually fine

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Luna just adds value

[rustic mountain]

lunala makes it so zama barely can do anything

[forest arrow]

Are we thinking Deedee route?

[rustic mountain]

other then hit the other 2

[lofty tartan]

I dunno I don't dislike indeedee

[rustic mountain]

eh

[forest arrow]

I’m up for either

[rustic mountain]

if ur e force lunala sure

otherwise idk if u need it

[lofty tartan]

Hmmm E force Lunala isn't bad but wg is everywhere

[rustic mountain]

like prio block is cool

[shadow wind]

Why does my first MU have to be against a Ho oh

[rustic mountain]

and redirection is good

but for lunala/ho oh specifically idk if u care too much

[lofty tartan]

I almost want Grassy terrain 👀

[vestal umbra]

any1 want to rate a few teams i made? they are all gym teams so they're not really the BEST but they work 👍

[lofty tartan]

Lunala Grassy/lefties

[forest arrow]

Shit I’ll take Rilla

Was just wondering what you and monke had cooked up so far

[rustic mountain]

its comp chat if they arent comp teams for the actual format idk how wed really evaluate ur teams

[shadow wind]

I just looked like a goat

[lofty tartan]

CM Lunala is a thing

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348702935-3y4us311mipyh7bppqxuw9jy1g7mht8pw

[forest arrow]

Yeah we cooked with that in G for a little while

[lofty tartan]

Incin/Rilla doesn't seem bad

[rustic mountain]

incin/rilla my homies

[forest arrow]

Two great support pieces

[lofty tartan]

Like Luna/Ho-Oh/Incin/Rilla. Fake Out cycling helps cm setup

[forest arrow]

The goon brothers

[lofty tartan]

Cm/lefties/Grassy is severe staying power

[rustic mountain]

all we need is a water starter w/ fake out thats good

[lofty tartan]

Yes

Mega Feraligatr needs FO

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

And Armor Tail

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

yo armor tail would b sick

nd would make sense

[forest arrow]

I’m excited for the Gatr

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely

[forest arrow]

Long needed buff whatever it gets please

[rustic mountain]

love feriligatr

[lofty tartan]

Armor Tail is incredibly good and falls just short of being busted

[rustic mountain]

took me so long to get a shiny totodile in bdsp thru breeding

[lofty tartan]

I'm sorry that sounds painful

[forest arrow]

I remember shiny hunting for it has a kid and got 2 chikorita and a cyndaquil in hgss

[rustic mountain]

its fine i put myself thru it haha but yea bdsp sucks

[lofty tartan]

Yes it does.

[shadow wind]

How does my first set of using this team include the Ho oh burning 3/3 sacred fires and I miss pblades and meteor beams

[forest arrow]

Once I got cyndaquil tho I said screw it and picked cyndaquil lol

[rustic mountain]

i didnt even know shinies existed as a kid

[lofty tartan]

Because sacred fire is a coin flip burn

[rustic mountain]

i just always assume itll burn

[shadow wind]

Yeah but everything else didn't need to happen

Just sayin

[lofty tartan]

Sacred Fire is so cracked

[rustic mountain]

50% chance is crazy

[lofty tartan]

It really is.

[rustic mountain]

im glad mons that arent too strong get it

[lofty tartan]

I always assume it'll burn too.

Yeah it makes it super strong without being omg oppressive unfair

But 50% is crazy

[rustic mountain]

haha it is

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348705163

Yeah alr, people need to learn how to think

[rustic mountain]

ho oh might be the sleeper pick ngl, i thought it was gna be the usual oh its finally time for it and then it just sucks, i think it might b different now

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348706263

What actually is this set

Me when I play the team of eternal bad luck

[lofty tartan]

Dark Horse that ends up being real strong xD

Walling Zama is no small thing

[shadow wind]

I am fully seeing the awesome-ness of scarf Shifu

[rustic mountain]

2 games later
conner: scarf urshi sucks i miss sash

[forest arrow]

You think CSR Ho-oh could be alright?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lofty tartan]

If I were competing seriously in Reg I, I would absolutely run Ho-Oh into this early meta with CSR/Zama being the big boogeyman

[shadow wind]

Nah I just outsped CSR and felt like god

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

I did wish my luck was better

[forest arrow]

lmaoo

[shadow wind]

I might needa ditch meteor beam

[lofty tartan]

Conner - "I am speed"

[forest arrow]

I tried moon blast and spell tag

wasnt terrible

[lofty tartan]

I just really like lefties cm Luna

[shadow wind]

Although if I ditch meteor beam I would need Ho oh insurance

This team doesn't have room for CM

[rustic mountain]

yea def not for ur team

[astral kelp]

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh on a critical hit: 118-139 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

id prefer it not be good as a csr/zama player so idk if thats really copium haha

[forest arrow]

copium? lol

[shadow wind]

Lowkey not bad damage I guess

[lofty tartan]

Good god

[rustic mountain]

stop doing calcs on no bulk ho oh

[shadow wind]

252 HP 😭

[rustic mountain]

oh lol

apologies im tired

[shadow wind]

Nah my bad here's a real calc

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ho-Oh on a critical hit: 84-99 (39.4 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[rustic mountain]

love it

[shadow wind]

+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ho-Oh in Sun: 107-127 (50.2 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

i do wonder wat evs ho ohs are running atm tho

ur sp def is really good naturally

[shadow wind]

Yeah you don't need any spdef invest

[lofty tartan]

Hmmm I'm thinking rockpon and Rilla and some double glide

[rustic mountain]

bring back band rilla

[lofty tartan]

I'm a band Rilla fan

[rustic mountain]

same

i ran it so much in swsh

[lofty tartan]

Doing big chip with FO

[shadow wind]

I have missed 2/3 of my meteor beams 😭

[lofty tartan]

Telling you man. I am not totally in for meteor beam. Even if it hits it's now dead

[rustic mountain]

urshi and rilla were the boys in the back (always basically had em for clean up in the end game after/during dmax)

[shadow wind]

Yeah screw this meteor beam nonsense, I'm missing it way too often

Do I go Moonblast or Psyshock?

[lofty tartan]

Moonblast Tera fairy is good coverage

[rustic mountain]

r u tera fairy?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[forest arrow]

Keep FO on band rilla?

[rustic mountain]

id say moonblast then

if ur band rilla no fake out

[forest arrow]

okay thought so

knock or hh?

[rustic mountain]

depends wat u think ud need/value more

[lofty tartan]

I love fake out band Rilla lmao

[forest arrow]

Didnt MDB run band rilla

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

For the item do I go an offensive item or do I go something like goggles or lefties?

[rustic mountain]

it was also like the set for rilla back in swsh

wolfey ran av on his coalossal team and shit and there were some other av stuff but band was pretty common for awhile

[lofty tartan]

Interesting

[rustic mountain]

lefties seems bad for ur kind of team

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm thinking

[rustic mountain]

no grassy terrain + fake out stuff makes it rough

[shadow wind]

Like it doesn't really have that longevity

[rustic mountain]

if u go moonblast tera fairy and shroom gives u problems maybe goggles? idk that also seems weird for lunala haha

[shadow wind]

Maybe a little weird yeah

[rustic mountain]

jus cuz of consistency u want ur item to net u as much as possible and idk if shroom should be that problematic/common enough to warrant it

[forest arrow]

Yea I couldn’t think of anything so I tried spell tag

Just get the boost on moongheist

[rustic mountain]

yea lunala is tough

its main items its had success w/ in sv are lefties and power herb

so if u opt outta both its like tf u run

[forest arrow]

I do like the glide spam thought tho

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Glide spam seems strong. Idk why

[rustic mountain]

ngl i was halfway kidding on banded rilla

like for ur team

[forest arrow]

Yeah I have av in the builder lol

[lofty tartan]

I think we'll get more mileage out of AV but Glide spam is still fine there.

[shadow wind]

Me when I run life orb Lunala

[rustic mountain]

haha ok cool

[lofty tartan]

Rockpon is an interesting idea

[forest arrow]

Yeah for sure, I feel like that’s a good starting 5

[lofty tartan]

Gives us the redirect and strong offense. Rock Cudgel is bonkers

[rustic mountain]

wen u let the intrusive thoughts win

[shadow wind]

Why can't there be seeds for weathers 😔

[rustic mountain]

ew

[shadow wind]

Weakness policy Lunala !!

[rustic mountain]

yea rockpon is even a mon ive thought of putting on my own team

[forest arrow]

Free sash too

[rustic mountain]

xtra sash + good coverage is nice

redirection

its versatile

[lofty tartan]

It's got a good spot right now. Really hates on some specific restricteds

[rustic mountain]

im thinkin like, rn i barely bring bolt as is

[forest arrow]

Love how it was the worst now it’s the best lol

[rustic mountain]

maybe its worth

[lofty tartan]

I was big on Rockpon early but I was ahead of my time

[rustic mountain]

the ogerpon roulette has been something to witness haha

[shadow wind]

Mirror herb Lunala

[rustic mountain]

they just take their turns at outperforming the other

[lofty tartan]

100 BP 100 accuracy rock move is nutso

[forest arrow]

Some people are using Waterpon again here and there

Kind of cool to see

[rustic mountain]

i saw it more early format

like very early

i think its really just rock-hearth then water and grass down a bit

[lofty tartan]

If we go like the more TW route, Throw, we can consider like dark Ursh or water Ursh as a sixth. See how the team does. Tweak from there. I'm trying not to fret too much over initial picks because I get stuck in the builder

[shadow wind]

Water Ogerpon has evaporated

[lofty tartan]

Scarf is totally free here

[forest arrow]

For sure, rapid completes the goon squad

[rustic mountain]

waterpon is like gastro in the sense of like, it comes and goes with strong water attackers but they arent as common and u have another broken guy u can put next to it and then its like wat now

[forest arrow]

But I do love some Dursh

[lofty tartan]

Yeah rapid is like the easy one. I think Dark has good position right now

[rustic mountain]

ppl already figured out how to power thru waterpon w/ urshi this isnt reg e anymore

[forest arrow]

True

[lofty tartan]

Scarf Dursh basically forces CSR Tera

[rustic mountain]

i think dark urshi is a sleeper for non restricted picks

not like urshi isnt super strong already but dark urshi doesnt get as much play really

[forest arrow]

I think it’s super strong rn

Honestly surprised it doesn’t have more play

[rustic mountain]

i jus dont see it much rn

[forest arrow]

People just like rapid

[lofty tartan]

Good into CSR good into Pagos

[rustic mountain]

yea

nd wicked blow jus hits like most things for a nice chunk

[lofty tartan]

Yeah neutral wicked Blow can do unreal damage

[rustic mountain]

right

dark types just feel very good rn especially w/ csr being so prominent

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure. I'd take some extra fighting weakness for some really strong pressure

Just Tera poison the Dursh if needed

[shadow wind]

Man Miraidon is so annoying

[rustic mountain]

u have groudon

[shadow wind]

Who at GameFreak thought that pokemon was balanced

[shadow wind]

You know that means nothing

[rustic mountain]

means it makes it harder to spam its electric moves

[shadow wind]

So it just clicks Draco 😭

[rustic mountain]

nd then u swap to flutter and ball out

[shadow wind]

I can't when there's a CIR staring me down 😭

[rustic mountain]

damn

oh yea cir/mirai shits on u

[shadow wind]

Brings a tear to my eye

[rustic mountain]

tr?

[shadow wind]

Yea

Man I love catching CSR's turn 1 when they think I'm clicking TR

[dense latch]

same

[shadow wind]

And like of course it depends on the team but most times I just win the game after that

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348722261-a09l3yr6gxww2ix4uq4bl5g7jo2njx2pw

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2348205362-1lha20wf0gkb1blee0c58tip3h0wg0ppw this was so funny to me

[shadow wind]

Also seeing tera water iron hands feels like I just got given a present on Christmas

[dense latch]

i skipped the turn and suddenly i had won

[shadow wind]

I like that avatar

[dense latch]

it's pretty cool yea

there's a few n masters avatars that r cool

[shadow wind]

I use a masters one

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2348723747

I swear to god this game hates me

I hit the nastiest read and how do I get rewarded? Double miss

[astral kelp]

omg im finally building an actual team in sv

bro wtf

[shadow wind]

CIR Miraidon is literally just one big mind game

Cause I have to bring the same 4 into every game

Ah heck nah

Tera fairy

[bold geode]

Tera Fairy Moonblast does that much?

[shadow wind]

Does that little I think you mean to say

[foggy lodge]

Is it +1

Or just tera fairy

[bold geode]

Yeah that's what I was saying there

[shadow wind]

Of course of course

180+ SpA Tera Fairy Lunala Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 158-188 (90.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

Then again based on investments it could add up

[shadow wind]

Yeah just a little bit of bulk I guess