competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

who up with a good mirai cir team

[full rune]

What's a good moveset for inceneroar

[spiral ridge]

Knock off
Parting shot
Fake out
Mix of things for 4th

[bold geode]

Mirai CIR kinda ass (lemme spread propaganda)

[chrome knot]

fuck off

[bold geode]

Who's off?

[lost sun]

sup

[bold geode]

Change yo fuckin name back bruh

[lost sun]

I did what u said

[bold geode]

Roar

Bruh I can't

[spiral ridge]

No

Get your GC ass the absolute fuck out

[bold geode]

Yotam ran it in a tour LMAO

[spiral ridge]

I’m gonna ignore this so I don’t think less of him

Actually are tour OTS?

[bold geode]

Nah it's valid

Imma let you brew on it

[spiral ridge]

Wdym

[chrome knot]

go fuck yourself!

[bold geode]

Idk that person either

Anyways as for your question uh
A lot of em still look like Arubega LOL

[dense latch]

how do u get the new role thingy

[bold geode]

You go in the Easter chat and stuff ye

[dense latch]

bet

[tribal garnet]

What's the proper abbreviation for Speed? Spd or Spe?

[next stump]

SPE

SPD is special defense

[tribal garnet]

Ah okay! Thanks!

HP / Atk / Def / Spe / SpD and SpA right? Or is it SpAtk

[dense latch]

Speed goes last

hp atk def spa spd spe

[tribal garnet]

But those are the abbreviations though right

[dense latch]

yep

spatk and spdef are used too though

[tribal garnet]

Ok just wanted verification. Oh actually? Ok good to know cause I have seen them as both variations and I have gotten thrown off

[dense latch]

most of the time it’s gonna be spa and spd but the longer ones are used by some people too

[shadow wind]

I think I use spatk

Cause my phone always wants to auto correct it to “spark”

Also Erik what are your thoughts on Bonnet?

[dense latch]

i think it’s cool on some sun teams

only thing i dont like is the typing

depends how good your team is into zama

[shadow wind]

Fair

I’m in desperate need of a good fire type

[dense latch]

a fire type, you say?

[dense latch]

what’s the team btw

[languid ocean]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137PcAvzTtXhTeFjoYcdtYe7czQLUNPI2bg-3twHRleI/edit?usp=sharing

[solid frigate]

oh? team report?

[lofty tartan]

Do you still play FFXIV?

[shadow wind]

Uh let me find a replay cause I don’t have the paste on mobile

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2346026082

Catastrophic turn 4 but it shows the team I guess

I was thinking Gouging fire but then it’s 4 Proto mons

[chrome knot]

@next stump whats the milwaukee call

[languid ocean]

not anymore EW onwards killed my favorite job SMN

[lofty tartan]

Summoner is one of the best DPS classes right now.

[bold geode]

Roar Incin

Also didn't you have a team?

[dense latch]

im assuming the spot up for grabs is heatran’s right?

what have you been bringing heatran into?

[shadow wind]

Absolutely

And CIR and Koraidon

[chrome knot]

no! thats why im asking for serious suggestions fuckhead

[shadow wind]

I just know there’s infinitely better options

[lofty tartan]

Dude Yotam used it in one event lol. I don't believe in Roar Incin in a Bo3 Regionals

Get that -6 TR tech outta here.

[bold geode]

It actually has use rn for that specific setup

[dense latch]

oh yea ig tera fairy heatran does wall koraidon

[shadow wind]

Was that also the Terapagos hyper beam tech?

[shadow wind]

Wall is used very loosely

Life orb CC in the sun probably does like 40 still

[dense latch]

yea wall might be a stretch

[bold geode]

I'm pretty sure it's actually used for Imprison Zam and shit

[lofty tartan]

Imprison Zama isn't likely to be a big pick for Milwuakee

[shadow wind]

If there was a fire/fairy type I’d be using it

[lofty tartan]

Imprison in OTS Bo3 is so telegraphed and easy to disrupt.

[dense latch]

what restricted duos r you struggling with rn conner

[lofty tartan]

Imprison Zama is like mid-tier at best.

[shadow wind]

Lowkey just Koraidon stuff

He blows everything up

Koraidon Flutter lead just smokes me

[bold geode]

Yeah it also has other uses in some cases but like
Roar is only gonna be around when Imprison is

If it is

[lofty tartan]

And with it being mid-tier and more easily played around in OTS, you can expect Roar Incin to be very low.

I can guarantee some players are probably gonna tap Imprison Zama for Regionals, but they probably won't do well with it.

[bold geode]

I think some will probably run Imprison Zam at Milwaukee
With it being so early I can see it
But after that? Hell no

[lofty tartan]

Like I was talking about Imprison Zama in here awhile ago and understandable it was laughed at.

[bold geode]

Yeah I think it's dumb myself

I think it's dumb
But at the same time
I realize it's there and why it's there

And for a team like CSR Zam, Roar can be a decent tech, though still a very replaceable button too

[shadow wind]

Is Tera poison Roaring moon a crazy idea?

[dense latch]

o yea korai just blasts through your team damn

[lofty tartan]

I know why it's used. It just isn't good at what it's used for

[bold geode]

What was wrong with the one team?

[shadow wind]

I guess a Tera is then just a 50/50 again

[lofty tartan]

So like teching for it at Milwuakee is gonna be a bad plan. lol

[bold geode]

It's only ever really fucked me up bad cuz people will use that shit on me ONLY WHEN it's a Zam 1v1

[lofty tartan]

Just Taunt the Zama.

[dense latch]

aside from groudon can you hit tera fire korai?

[shadow wind]

Meteor beam

[dense latch]

i think you could set up some strong pins on it

[shadow wind]

Which isn’t an awesome option

[lofty tartan]

That's a you thing. Getting into a 1v1 with Zama/Zama and knowing the other one probably has Imprison because it's Uncrowned.

[bold geode]

Oh nah everyone I see that has it is fucking Crowned

[lofty tartan]

Then they're even worse.

[bold geode]

Idt I've seen a single uncrowned

[lofty tartan]

Speed tie for Imprison

[shadow wind]

Like fairy/fire would be perfect here

[bold geode]

My fault for running a slower Zam

[lofty tartan]

Frankly I don't think Imprison is good for anything but TR matches.

And even then it can be very loose.

[dense latch]

you think sash flutter could work? forces flare blitz if they want to hit it and also forces tera

ik it’s not a fire type but it seems strong in theory

obv i dont have your experience with the team

[shadow wind]

I was thinking flutter

It just has very similar moves to Lunala and it can’t work in TR which is fine

But it might just be a speed tie then

[dense latch]

that’s true

[shadow wind]

Now I do the sleeper pick of Salazzle

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 758: Salazzle

Types

Poison/Fire

Abilities

Corrosion, Oblivious (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/64/60/111/60/117

Total

480

Other Formes

Salazzle-Totem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Oh heck nah that thing will explode to a flame charge

I know someone suggested Moltres-K earlier

[bold geode]

Yeah
Then again it's early meta
Tf you expect

There's always gonna be some jank shit

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/90/125/85/90

Total

580

Other Formes

Moltres-Galar

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Lowkey not terrible

Just go 252 bold

[tiny karma]

Moltres's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bide, Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Natural Gift, Peck, Pluck, Rage, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Attack, Sky Drop, Steel Wing, Take Down, Temper Flare, U-turn, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Burn Up, Burning Jealousy, Ember, Extrasensory, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Gust, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Ominous Wind, Overheat, Razor Wind, Round, Scorching Sands, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Agility, Confide, Curse, Defog, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leer, Mimic, Morning Sun, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Whirlwind, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Moltres.
A move displayed with Underlined text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by a Pokémon Terastalised as a Fire-type.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Hrmm

It does resist Zama and Koraidon

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Moltres in Sun: 105-125 (53.2 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That’s almost workable…

[left bobcat]

Of course

[shadow wind]

Maybe I just go hard TR mode for Koraidon

Still doesn’t solve the 6th member problem but oh well

I wonder if Bonnet lives a non specs Flutter mane moonblast

[dense latch]

this might be the move actually

[shadow wind]

252 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 132 HP / 224 SpD Brute Bonnet: 138-164 (67.9 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dense latch]

bonnet + lunala lead groudon bolt back?

[shadow wind]

Oh heck yeah he does

[shadow wind]

Exactly what I’m thinking

I know I ran into a hard MU with Koraidon Lunala

[dense latch]

also how often is safety goggles on bolt getting value

[shadow wind]

Not often, might switch it to like lorb or something

I’m just worried I won’t have an Amoonguss answer

[dense latch]

av could be nice too

that’s fair

[shadow wind]

Maybe I go Volcarona with goggles over Heatran

[dense latch]

i could see swordfish amoong getting tricky without goggles

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Legendary quiver dance Volc set

With goggles

That seems trash

[dense latch]

it feels really nice to run miraidon and not have to worry about this lol

[shadow wind]

But I do want heat wave because as of right now I have a single spread move in Pblades

It isn’t much better in accuracy but it’s something

[dense latch]

honestly if you’re willing to drop bonnet rockpon seems decent

thoughts?

redirects spore, sturdy helps a ton for tr, hits korai after tera fire

[shadow wind]

Definitely not a bad option

I would definitely need wide guard back on Lunala if I did that though

But it’s for sure a good idea

[dense latch]

iirc you did have a team with rockpon right?

[shadow wind]

I’ve done a lot with him yeah

I could even run max speed cause against Koraidon Flutter he definitely isn’t out speeding

As for a fire type then I could run a weird Chi yu set

AV Chi yu!!!!

[dense latch]

lmaoo

[shadow wind]

Nah I would like a dark type but probably not chi yu

[dense latch]

chi yu has a lot of options actually

cloak goggles and scarf all could be nice

[shadow wind]

I could even go like sash

My cloak slot would also be open but I feel like that might not provide enough

Scarf would also be kinda eh with TR but great with TW

I’ll have to play around with it

I will never lead Groudon chi yu

Does chi yu always run 4 attack?

I guess if you aren’t scarfed you can drop overheat

Flamethrower
Heat wave
Dark pulse
Protect

Is that the standard non scarf moveset?

[dense latch]

i see overheat heat wave snarl protect

[chrome knot]

not good

[shadow wind]

Interesting

What speed do non scarf ones even run?

Especially if I’m running TR

I’ll probably just have to experiment

Thank you very much Erik 🙏

[full rune]

Ty I was mega busy but I think I'll keep fire spin or bulk up for 4fh

[gentle crag]

occultscult has given 1 Gen Rep to scottyboi7422

[dense latch]

anytime goat

[dense latch]

i’ll see max modest or like 150

to outspeed adamant ursh

[solid frigate]

use Flare Blitz or Will-o-wisp

fire spin is just not it

[shadow wind]

What’s the point of outspeeding Admant ursh though?

[dense latch]

just to get a move off on another mon before it KOs you i think

[shadow wind]

That’s fair

Cause I’m always thinking that Urshifu kinda just walls Chi yu

I guess Urshifu dark

Urshifu really was made to obliterate Incin huh

Me when I run psychic Chi yu to kill Urshifu

[bold geode]

How

[full rune]

Which one of the swords of ruin is Chi Yu, like what color

[lofty tartan]

Chi-Yu is red.

[full rune]

Ty

[lofty tartan]

They're not the Swords of Ruin - they're the Ruinous Pokemon

Only one of them has "Sword of Ruin" and it's Chien-Pao

[full rune]

I get my terminology mixed up sometimes lol

[lofty tartan]

All good. Figured I'd clear that up.

[shadow wind]

Aren’t they technically the “Ruinous Quartet”?

Or is that a fan term

[lofty tartan]

Ruinous Pokemon, Ruinous Quartet. Either or. I've never heard Ruinous Quartet before now.

It's just a name applied to a group of four.

[shadow wind]

Hmm weird

Fair

[dense latch]

i hear treasures of ruin a lot

[lofty tartan]

That works too.

The wiki has them listed as "Ruinous Legends"

[shadow wind]

That’s what I was thinking of

[lofty tartan]

Bulapedia has them as Treasures of Ruin

[chrome knot]

just not piloting it well enough to be comfortable committing to it, esp bc it also has a target on its back

[full rune]

Wait so there's Chien-Pao, Chi Yu, and Wo Chien, who's the fourth one?

[lofty tartan]

Mainly I was clearing up that they're not called the Swords of Ruin

[dense latch]

ting lu

[shadow wind]

Ting-Lu

[shadow wind]

Swords of Justice wannabes

[bold geode]

Well idk if we're gonna find a good team that doesn't rn tbf

[full rune]

Ngl I've never heard of Ting-Lu

[lofty tartan]

Ting-Lu has gotten a lot of usage in VGC

[shadow wind]

Bro has NOT played singles

[chrome knot]

idk id like to have a teamm im comfortable on

[dense latch]

im surprised you know wo chien and not ting lu

[bold geode]

Is there one that's felt the best?

[dense latch]

i’d imagine the former is more forgettable

[shadow wind]

Me when I wanna have fun in OU and then he sets up all hazards and uses whirlwind

[full rune]

My memory isn't the best, maybe I just need to see a picture of it to remember it or something

[lofty tartan]

Wo-Chien has seen the least play because he's far more niche usage and contends with Amoonguss for teams, oftentimes

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/tinglu-ting-lu-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-ruinous-gif-11738597909557177658

Bowl

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tinglu-ting-lu-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-ruinous-gif-11738597909557177658

is that really the only ting lu gif lmao

[full rune]

I have never seen that guy in my life

[lofty tartan]

You didn't catch it?

[bold geode]

Can we not spam Ting Lu rn thx

[dense latch]

now u have

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

[full rune]

Moose of ruin

[bold geode]

We're trying to actually give help/advice here

[dense latch]

wasn’t trying to i didnt see conner sent the gif too lmao

[lofty tartan]

You have never seen a moose, have you?

[shadow wind]

And we aren’t?

[bold geode]

Anyways what was the question again?

[chrome knot]

I DONT KNOW thats why ive been looking

[lofty tartan]

Kyogre something something

[shadow wind]

It’s an open channel and we’re talking about the ruinous mons in terms of usage in VGC

[bold geode]

Honestly I think doubt is getting to you
I think you just need to decide on something to at least play games with for more than a day and just assess what's going on around you

Figure out what's strong
Why is it strong
And go from there

[dense latch]

this was the question and why we sent the gif

[shadow wind]

It’s almost like other people can use the channel too

[bold geode]

That's the best advice I can probably give
I can't give a 100% fat meta call cuz idt there is one
I can make predictions
But I can't 100% say that's what's gonna get you the dub

[bold geode]

Yeah but doing that can be seen as spamming for those who don't know full context and that can back up honest questions which are trying to be answered
Sorry if I came off rude, this is just where I was coming from

[left bobcat]

Potato

[shadow wind]

Yeah I probably came off as rude too, my bad

I am a little surprised there’s only 1 Ting Lu gif

[dense latch]

yea stuff gets kinda convoluted when there’s several convos going on at the same time

[bold geode]

Anyways was the question actually answered or

Oh it was okay

[dense latch]

i legit looked up ting-lu instead of ting lu the second time to see if it was actually the only gif of it

as if that was gonna change anything 😭

[shadow wind]

Ting Lu hate is real

Wo Chien at least has a live reaction

[spiral ridge]

That’s uh
Not ine of the usual 4
Check munchstats for move usage %

I love wo chien

[shadow wind]

Who’s this for?

[dense latch]

4th is either flare blitz taunt or will o for incin

[lofty tartan]

It's fine, man. Conversation is fluid, anyway, and people are gonna get sidetracked.

[dense latch]

or at least those are the most popular options

[shadow wind]

Even snarl can be used

[bold geode]

Yeah
Idk that was an issue before
Eh it happens

I know things can be sidetracked still
We're in comp chat after all

[spiral ridge]

Yeah and if it’s AV set then u turn

[bold geode]

Talk about comp one second
Talk about food the next

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but like... not everyone is gonna stay on topic all the time. You do it too with random stuff as well. It's all good.

[chrome knot]

no im just panicking

[bold geode]

Yeah I know
I'm not perfect either

[bold geode]

Well calm down
I know it's hard and I know things are close
But panicking ain't gonna do shit

Just stay calm
However that needs to happen

[chrome knot]

i try

[bold geode]

Just lmk if you need help okay
Idk how much I can, but I'll do whatever I can to help you out

[mint void]

I think thats the official one no?

[lofty tartan]

Probably. 🤷

Treasures of Wo-Chien

[dense latch]

i think? honestly official pokemon names get overshadowed anyways

like pokemon is still trying to push “first partner pokemon” over starter

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/a2f4e68a21926a42 gore

[bold geode]

Not the worst thing I've seen

[next stump]

how have you been liking CIR? I can’t seem to get it to work great

like it’s not bad but so much wide guard/water tera’s/zamazentas

[mystic steppe]

Guys how can I win in modern ubers with noctowl. And don't tell me I can't, I'm determined.

[next stump]

not too many people here play single battles unfortunately 😦

will be tough to get advice

[mystic steppe]

No I mean vgc

Defog seems situational helpful

[chrome knot]

i dont know ;(

[mystic steppe]

I only want one win with it lol I haven't tried yet

[chrome knot]

ive been struggling and so stressed over the format

[mystic steppe]

Oh I hate the format it's garbage. But there's always a cheesy win in there somewhere I believe if you want to use non-meta

[foggy lodge]

by playing 5 broken mons and hoping the opponent doesn't know how to play

[mystic steppe]

I'm screwed dawg.

[mighty stump]

I run so many taunters now cuz of that

[mighty stump]

i think i know what im gonna play

But rn Watershifu in hell and I think Darkshifu is much better rn

[left bobcat]

GASP

how much have I missed

[languid ocean]

yea darkshifu is in a better spot lately

its even more braindead too since you don't need to worry about rocky helmet that much

[dense latch]

scarf waterfu is great though imo

[foggy lodge]

I think

[dense latch]

mystic water is dead i feel like and darkfu is the better sash guy

[foggy lodge]

Watershifu is forced to play scarf/sash for this format

[dense latch]

though it def depends on the team

[left bobcat]

Totally

I’ve only played like a total of 10 games this week

So I definitely haven’t seen everything

[dense latch]

interested to see what cuts vr tour tomorrow

[atomic mural]

vr is victory road right

[chrome knot]

yes

[astral kelp]

seems pretty decent tbh

[foggy lodge]

I was building CIR Mirai with Bundle

And also icicle plate on CIR

[torn parrot]

I’m officially washed in pocket

Maybe I’ll come back to vgc 😪

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/7dc63171864bd7ad

[shadow wind]

@dense latch What are you thoughts on on this

https://pokepast.es/d28b68a35b6b29dd

I'm not too sure on the Chi yu set and Psychic on Lunala

[astral kelp]

its crazy this wont a tournament

mmaybe ho oh isnt as cope as we thought

[dense latch]

hmm idk if i dig goggles lunala honestly

[rustic mountain]

yea makes sense it wont a tournament cuz ppl def wont run that

[shadow wind]

Yeah maybe not

[cyan smelt]

Conner I just had a thought, walking wake learns flamethrower if you want fire coverage

[shadow wind]

Wake is great but it's lowkey too fast

Also Hydro steam is essentially a fire type move

Cause it's stab and gets a sun boost

[chrome knot]

weather ball

[rustic mountain]

the water move is essentially a fire move, right sure. also fire coverage does not equal fire type

[dense latch]

yea maybe just go wide guard on lunala

[shadow wind]

The idea is Amoonguss but yeah it's probably whatever

[dense latch]

feel like moonblast is enough coverage

[shadow wind]

Wide guard is helpful

[solid frigate]

do funny shit maya lol

[dense latch]

and idk how much psychic even does to amoong, which is prob the only thing you’re hitting with psychic that u cant with moonblast right

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Not a lot of poison going around

What item would you suggest on Lunala? I've played around with lefties but I wonder if something like spell tag could be useful

[dense latch]

i think the tera fairy moonblast sets enjoy having leftovers and personally i’d go with that

[cyan smelt]

What moves does the tera fairy Lunala run

[shadow wind]

Life orb ‼️

Moongeist
Moonblast
Wide Guard
TR

[cyan smelt]

Ok cool I can scrap power herb

[shadow wind]

I mean I was just running power herb Meteor beam

I just found I didn't need it cause I now have Rockpon

I might be able to keep meteor beam now thinking about it

But I'll do some testing

The chi yu set is kinda...

[tiny karma]

Move: Infestation

Prevents the target from switching for four or five turns (seven turns if the user is holding Grip Claw). Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/6 if the user is holding Binding Band), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Shed Tail, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field, or if the target uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Substitute successfully. This effect is not stackable or reset by using this or another binding move.

Type

Bug

Category

Special

Power

20

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

I don't know when I'd use Chi yu

[astral kelp]

oh man thats so interesting

[shadow wind]

I wonder if tera grass Chi yu is fine

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2346631035
HAHA WHY IS THIS GUY RUNNING SASH CSR WITH TYRA

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2346635035-nr3a96p708m6uut6hll7lp22yek0foepw

Yknow I forgot how awesome wide guard is

But also encore CSR is straight dog when you also have encore Whims

[cyan smelt]

encore the encore

[shadow wind]

I feel like Groudon Lunala has no bad MUs

But it also doesn't have any easy ones

[cyan smelt]

csr zama?

[shadow wind]

Lunala has wide guard and is immune to fighting

[cyan smelt]

mirai ogre?

[shadow wind]

TR options with weather war

[cyan smelt]

lunala mirai?

[shadow wind]

Whatever I did here

Miraidon is indeed still weak to Ground

Went to game 3 but that's why we love Bo3

[cyan smelt]

i'm just glad we can't have dual horse

[shadow wind]

I'd be running double Necrozma

Probably not

Not choice item Chi yu is lowkey awesome

[cyan smelt]

what item are you running on it

[shadow wind]

Cloak

No icy wind or fake out can stop me

[cyan smelt]

no need for tera ghost then too

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

I guess we're getting to test it for real now

Ok I actually just skilled on this guy

Skilled then lucked

Yippee !

Ok it's lowkey working

Erik I thank thee 🙏

[lofty tartan]

Speed control Flutter is definitely not uncommon.

[shadow wind]

Dang I just about got smoked by Miraidon Ho oh

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2346651704-cptr0j75gu1t5pt09547iopu87al9yipw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2346652702-7ihhr5jvd6u4lie14ycmrfbj26onklapw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2346653780-e9b3qhdvjcgvlpbv1ycwik1oywu8mufpw

I had to frickin lock in

[cyan smelt]

I'm using roaring moon too

[astral kelp]

why am i winstreeaking with kyurem groudon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2346682763

i think i got like 5 in a roll

[torn parrot]

Chat

Is reg I fun

[solid frigate]

currently yeah

trying MiraiOgre rn

[zinc totem]

i wonder lunala, indeedee,zamazenta,ogerpon,shifu dark and flutte mane/bulkyrona creates balance team

[astral kelp]

have you guys seen the mario mon format

pretty radical

holy shit csr expanding force does so much fucking damage

this got one shot by csr

[cyan smelt]

Because you've got no bulk on it

[astral kelp]

yeah changed the evs now

[cyan smelt]

You probably need wide guard against calyrex

[astral kelp]

yeah man yknow

even with gravity groudon feels so ass

[coarse flame]

How do you calculate stat. increasing moves , to what your base stat. is ? Like if my attack is 355 , what would it be after +6 attack.

[astral kelp]

each one is like 1.5 times increase

[astral kelp]

so +6 would be a 4x increase

[coarse flame]

Ok , so would that be 355 + 400% , or 355 x 400% ?

[astral kelp]

huh? 355*4

[coarse flame]

I meant would you add the 400% , or multiply it. so it would be 355 times 400% ?

[astral kelp]

multiply it

[coarse flame]

Ok cool , thank you for the help. That helps me build my teams better , now that I know how that works now.

[gentle crag]

qrowfan has given 1 Gen Rep to k4x1

[astral kelp]

doesnt really matter that much anyways haha
if you have x4 damage everythings gonna die

[coarse flame]

Very true , swords dance and nasty plot goes brrrrrr. But I'm building other Pokemon too , so now I now how to do the math for their stats. Lol

[astral kelp]

just use this https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[coarse flame]

Yeah I've seen that , but it confuses me. Trying to put in all the little info for your Pokemon , and the one you're trying to fight.

[astral kelp]

yeah just think of the most popular things that you face

calc for those

you can copy and paste the showdown text on it

then after clicking that lil icon it will go ibn

[coarse flame]

Oh ok , I didn't think about it that way. That does sound useful.

[astral kelp]

itand select the thing at the tops

so an example if im playing heatran i wanna see how much earth power will do to miraidon whos really popular rn

so i select it here

76+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 44 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 88-104 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- 90.63% chance to 2HKO and it tells me that it does like jack shit damage

[coarse flame]

Oh ok cool , i'll take screen shots for these. Thank you 😄

[astral kelp]

bruh i just had a game where my heatran god parad 4 times and a roll and couldnt do anything all game pauin

[coarse flame]

That's horrible , don't you just love the randomness of Pokemon some times. 😅

[astral kelp]

lets try go a bit goofy

[coarse flame]

Heatran with the berry be like " : D "

And that yellow rock , bruh lol.

[cyan smelt]

Heatran with berry when calyrex is everywhere is eh

[astral kelp]

there isnt anything else i can run here tbh

i could go mental herb on sable

[coarse flame]

The berry makes him happy.

[astral kelp]

it does feel kinda shit tho i agree

there is that lol

maybe lefties actually

and av groudon ofc

[coarse flame]

I love sitrus berries in any game , but left overs is always better in the long run. If you're actually trying to battle something slightly hard.

[solid frigate]

Rocky Helmet

and Indeedee can run goggles

[astral kelp]

yeah thats true

if lefties dont work

[cyan smelt]

Too high power level in the format for lefties

[real prairie]

Desperately need!

[astral kelp]

thats amazing

[astral kelp]

heatran is kind of a stally mon

you prolly right tho

since its tr

[coarse flame]

Return his berry to him , for he is hungie.

[lofty tartan]

Assault Vest is a thing

[chrome knot]

ngl i almost bought the mareep sponge bc of how adorable it was

[real prairie]

Oh and happy Easter Y'all

[solid frigate]

long time eh

[real prairie]

Taking a break, in a mental funk ATM.

Not being able to attend another regional before worlds really hurt 😅

[astral kelp]

groudys got him

hey jack its been a while ye

this teams just a shit team for fun anyways

maybe i should go sandy over shitass sableye

[real prairie]

Sash Farig with trick room gravity

[chrome knot]

omg this is so adorable!!!

[real prairie]

Danke

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[real prairie]

It's quite hard to spread white icing pen 🤣 but it'll do

[solid frigate]

ah

[next stump]

good morning people

[chrome knot]

good morning

[next stump]

happy easter to those who celebrate

[astral kelp]

oh wait

why didnt i think of this

why sash th/\o?

[real prairie]

Guarantee a TR basically and allow it to still be a SpAtk threat

Most Farig suffer from being stuck on the field, with sash you can actually be really offensive

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2346779694-1pv9jpb2s1xtm20a39ftf9lqre8oddipw

yay!

[real prairie]

Left alone with Togepi for 2 mins... 😅

[chrome knot]

[empty turtle]

what i the current rugulation

[next stump]

each team can have two restricted legendary pokemon

[empty turtle]

thanks

[astral kelp]

who can one shot fari other than like wicked blow?

[real prairie]

Plenty of special attackers if it doesn't tera (water spout as an example)

[astral kelp]

right ic

[real prairie]

It's a niche use

[astral kelp]

wouldnt you want maybe mental herb more?

taunt is very prevalent

[real prairie]

You don't need to run sash

[real prairie]

Can do

[astral kelp]

but yeah i get the idea lol

it prolly dies to an electro dift

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 204 HP / 108 SpD Farigiraf in Electric Terrain: 288-339 (130.3 - 153.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO oh yeah jeezx

dang i thought it was way tankier than that

man kinda annoying that the only way to 100% garantee a gravity is fucking sableye lol

wtf

[tiny karma]

Move: Fiery Wrath

Has a 20% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Dark

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

💀

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1913853001439076414

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad) on X

Congratulations to 🇲🇾 Lee Jin Yang (@husky_vgc), your 2025 Malaysia Master Ball League Champion! 🇲🇾🏆 #PlayPokemon

Jin Yang's previous achievements:
▶️ 2025 Malaysia Premier Ball League Top 8
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X · Apr 20, 2025, 7:11 AM

[solid frigate]

im literally in ruins

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode is this the same sudoz you talked about? lol

[bold geode]

Blud idk

[solid frigate]

no miraiogre ;-;

[atomic mural]

no sword fish either

[solid frigate]

i guess No.1 enemy in this early Meta probably be CSR or whoever won The first regional

[left bobcat]

BEHOLD

[empty turtle]

how does this team look
https://pokepast.es/8c9fe58bbaeb2649

[next stump]

looks solid but the rules change in a little over a week, allowing a second restricted pokemon

[empty turtle]

ok

what mon would you recommend i switch out and who i swich in

[next stump]

probably get rid of grimmsnarl and add something like calyrex-shadow or maybe Koraidon

[empty turtle]

ill test it out

[empty turtle]

terrapogos with comfey is broken
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2346894745

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode CSR Zama comps that you may actually like

[bold geode]

I saw them when you showed me the top 16 bracket
The main one is a lil different but it's not bad, I like it

[foggy lodge]

CSR Zama mirror in finals

😭

[solid frigate]

well fuck this

Chi Yu Meta call moment

[foggy lodge]

Nah cuz shohei is playing rain dance tornadus

what

[atomic mural]

epic

holy shit

the best team i have ever seen

[spiral ridge]

Lmfao

[solid frigate]

how

[spiral ridge]

Won/ did good few times in a row now

Now that it’s double restrict more korai means more it

[shadow wind]

You mean more Groudon too right?

[shadow wind]

😔

How often do you guys bring both restricteds?

[mint void]

80

90

[solid frigate]

70%

[next stump]

maybe like 50-70% of the time

[foggy lodge]

Depends on the team

With Miraidon CSR Dozogiri I bring both like 60-70%?

[balmy glen]

anyone know if someones streaming finals of monterrey

[bold geode]

If I EV a Calyrex and then attach it to the reins, does it keep the EVs?

[balmy glen]

i stg everyones on the team that won like even before this vr

i was on Amoongus variant over rilla

[next stump]

99% sure yes

[bold geode]

Thx

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[bold geode]

It does

[next stump]

let’s goooo riley won

[foggy lodge]

what do you think about amoonguss on this meta overall

[shadow wind]

Nah why we got this goin on

[foggy lodge]

Armafraud

[solid frigate]

bro thought reg A or series 1 still exists

[forest arrow]

Gross

[shadow wind]

Bro who is running this 😭

[forest arrow]

Never melt ice is run, but ice Tera- lol

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347086204-07skigemxxpsj2xjkhqp3knrnttji3lpw

[foggy lodge]

its my set

what is your problem

[shadow wind]

Just seems incredibly greedy

Very incin weak

[forest arrow]

I ran never melt ice with poison

[shadow wind]

Yeah I remember people running that

Tera ice just seems really unnecessary

[forest arrow]

No you’re right I agree

Defensive Tera would’ve helped alot more in that situation

[shadow wind]

After a tera ice

I also tera fire'd my Pon

Just not being able to tera out of super effective hits seems bad in most cases

[forest arrow]

And they terad in front of fire pon

Like what

[shadow wind]

Cause as we know ice is not an awesome defensive type

[shadow wind]

This is the replay of that game

[left bobcat]

Closer

[foggy lodge]

Works for teams that are not too weak to Incin

[lost sun]

isnt it the worst defensive type itg

[warped mason]

Trying to learn how to play this team. Would u guys say that koraidon flutter, and indeedee lunala is how you would want to lead? And when would u want to switch it up with like incin?

[foggy lodge]

Ah I saw that team

I would just play another mon on the Incin slot

Looks like a kinda stationary team

[true niche]

https://victoryroad.pro/vr-apr25-2/ calyrex shadow really went up

[chrome knot]

half this format has been csr+

[warped mason]

Wdym by that, and would u say maybe speed control would be better in that slot?

Like whims for example

[foggy lodge]

Maybe tho Flutter can fill that role fine

By stationary I mean mostly hyper offense teams

The Atlanta winning team for example looks stationary in a way that it just doesn't has many rotations

Also the reason why Brute Bonnet was used on that team over Amoonguss

https://pokepast.es/39855d50eb60b341

what

[solid frigate]

did i smell Turtle

[foggy lodge]

Ho-Oh Terapagos❤️

[warped mason]

Maybe brute bonnet would work well on this team instead too.

In the incin slot

[gilded bane]

Does anyone know a good moveset for vileplume that can counter people with a high speed low defense strategy?

[solid frigate]

dude

Just use trick room

[dense latch]

what does vileplume even get

[gilded bane]

Oh dang forgot abt trick room

[tiny karma]

Vileplume's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Facade, Flail, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Headbutt, Natural Gift, Petal Blizzard, Rage, Razor Leaf, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Take Down, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Absorb, Acid, Acid Spray, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Moonblast, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Round, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Venoshock, Weather Ball

Status Moves

After You, Aromatherapy, Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Corrosive Gas, Curse, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Ingrain, Leech Seed, Lucky Chant, Mimic, Moonlight, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Powder, Sleep Talk, Strength Sap, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Teeter Dance, Tickle, Toxic, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Vileplume.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 45: Vileplume

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Effect Spore (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/80/85/110/90/50

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.2

[gilded bane]

Thx, he'll never know what hit him

[dense latch]

got a team in mind or just vileplume

[solid frigate]

i seen one with I think its groudon

during my regional run

[foggy lodge]

50 speed no way 💔

bro ties with CIR and Hands

[gilded bane]

My current team is a little messy but its mewtwo skeledurge feraligatr dachsbun vileplume and charizard, he has a crazy cinderace that has been taking out like 3 of my pokemon alone and its getting annoying cause the rest of his team is a cakewalk

[solid frigate]

mewtwo.

W H Y

[mint void]

what rules?

[solid frigate]

that team hard loss to miraidon

[gilded bane]

I usually just use regular but this is also my team for ranked (it sucks ik but I like it)

[solid frigate]

Ranked Doubles?

That team is gonna get folded by Miraidon

[gilded bane]

Singles cause doubles is too big brained for my pea brain

[dense latch]

looks like a singles team to me

[solid frigate]

still gets folded by Miraidon

[dense latch]

yep

[mint void]

id recomend changing that team

*m

[gilded bane]

I dunno, I'm not really looking to win any tournaments here, just wipe the floor with my friend, though I am gonna ask, what suggestions do you have?

[solid frigate]

im getting confused are you playing Multi Battles or Singles

[dense latch]

mewtwo is pretty much the worst restricted legendary you can choose honestly

[gilded bane]

Singles

[dense latch]

when there’s calyrex shadow there’s hardly any reason to run mewtwo other than trolling

[gilded bane]

Fair point, but his entire team has very low sp.defense

[solid frigate]

my brain rn

[solid frigate]

outside of Kyurem black

Which sucks in almost everyway

In doubles at least

[dense latch]

miraidon is also a much much better sp attacker

[gilded bane]

All I know is he uses a TON of fire types

[gilded bane]

True... And I DO have a fully EV trained miridon at the ready (used it for the salamence raid not too long ago actually)

[dense latch]

yea do that

miraidon resists cinderace and will just blast it in return

[gilded bane]

Though my mewtwo is from let's go pikachu/eevee and its IVs make it have 447 sp.attack

[solid frigate]

Specs Volt Switch kek

[gilded bane]

It has libaro so I'm not sure still

[solid frigate]

bottle caps:

[solid frigate]

bro Miraidon is Faster than Cinderace anyway

[gilded bane]

Already hyper trained

[dense latch]

urshifu rapid strike is good in singles too

according to the bss usage stats im looking at

which is no surprise

[gilded bane]

Oh yeah and its also not a restricted guy cause I saw a few ranked guys use a legend and urshifu on the same team

[dense latch]

yea

do you want the restricted legendary list?

[gilded bane]

Sure

[mint void]

you can just max ur Mirais IVs

+its abilitly raises its SpA by 1.33x again as long as Eterrain is active

[solid frigate]

honse forms as well btw

[dense latch]

yea all the pokemon here and their forms

so like kyurem necrozma and calyrex forms

[gilded bane]

Ye

That reminds me, is sheer force life orb feraligatr a good choice? I need to know cause he doesn't have a mold breaker pokemon

[mint void]

mold breaker only works offensively

doesnt negate sheer force effects

but feraligator has nothing to do in this economy

[gilded bane]

Fr? Huh cool

[solid frigate]

use Lando

[dense latch]

^

[tiny karma]

Filters

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Results (36)

Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Krabby, Kingler, Kingler-Gmax, Tauros, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Steelix, Makuhita, Hariyama, Mawile, Camerupt-Mega, Trapinch, Bagon, Cranidos, Rampardos, Timburr, Gurdurr, Conkeldurr, Darmanitan, Druddigon, Rufflet, Braviary, Braviary-Hisui, Landorus, Toucannon, Cufant, Copperajah, Copperajah-Gmax, Kleavor, Squawkabilly-Yellow, Squawkabilly-White, Cetoddle, Cetitan

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.28.2

[spiral ridge]

Lando sheer force lorb very funny damage

[dense latch]

special landorus incarnate is a way better sheer force user

[chrome knot]

cir mirai smeargle tr…?

am i crazy

[solid frigate]

What

[dense latch]

y not lunala instead

[chrome knot]

bc why not have nuclear bomb that isnt 4x weak to dark&ghost

[gilded bane]

I'm trying to take out fire types, incinerate is not very effective

[chrome knot]

disable sleep, and knock threats out of the park which repositioning capabilities

[gilded bane]

Most of his team is weak to water or grass types

[dense latch]

i didnt say incinerate btw

[gilded bane]

Oh nvm lol I misread that

[dense latch]

landorus-incarnate is base landorus essentially

[gilded bane]

Yeah I dunno where to get landorus tbh

[solid frigate]

Legends Arceus

or #trading_sv

[dense latch]

or swsh dlc

but i doubt catching it in another game is worth the trouble when it’s just a friendly match

[gilded bane]

Yeah, its a friendly match, but I'm gonna try to make him cry out of frustration

[foggy lodge]

Use Miraidon

[gilded bane]

I am dw

[foggy lodge]

Good

[gilded bane]

Already switched mewtwo out

[mint void]

add ironhands

really crazy with mirais terrain

[foggy lodge]

Are you playing singles or doubles

[gilded bane]

Singles

[foggy lodge]

I think Miraidon in singles runs lorb

Not sure tho I don't play singles

[dense latch]

https://munchstats.com/gen9bssregg/0/Miraidon

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/5ca29fafc0a6c0ab

[solid frigate]

at this point why not run that

[spiral ridge]

Swapped from Tera water CIR?

[chrome knot]

not a serious team tbh

the other cir mirai one with actual structure is

[spiral ridge]

Gotcha

[foggy lodge]

Actually @chrome knot what do you think about this https://pokepast.es/3ec3734da2271895

[foggy lodge]

No way Tinkaton made it to finals

[solid frigate]

C R O W N

Is that Riley?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

Riley Factura vs Carson Confer

[solid frigate]

the crown comeback

[left bobcat]

C- could that be?

Iron crown? But that could only mean-

[brisk void]

whats the best tera type for zacian

[spiral ridge]

Stellar and ground I know are run

[chrome knot]

water

or fairy tbh

ive seen that one pick up for boosted play roughs

[brisk void]

hmm

i kinda want a defensive tera

stuck between ground and water

[chrome knot]

ground is for clicking tera ground blast

[spiral ridge]

Ground you do Tera blast yeah

[chrome knot]

so not rly a defensive option 😭 and you just give urself 95329 weaknesses

[spiral ridge]

Grass water ice are silly

[chrome knot]

would NAWT wanna be weak to glacial lance IMO

[next stump]

dragon won an online tourney

gives you a nice resistance to fire and electric

[spiral ridge]

Is that a person or
Okay just the type

[chrome knot]

pfft

[spiral ridge]

Look I thought he was coming in about a tourney til the second message

My guess was either the type for zacian. A player. Or someone won with mono dragon bs

[dense latch]

water is the safest bet

unless you want to resist mirai or smth

[foggy lodge]

I remember the mono bug team from reg H

lmao

[dense latch]

omg that team lol

was that the one with the venonat

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

The way Volcarona carries that team😭

And I still don't know how that won a 100 person tournament

I guess it was used by a really good player

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/51d7e15756e04086 some of the sets were honestly wild too on their own

[foggy lodge]

Specs Volcarona cooks I wanted to use it for a GC

[rigid crane]

Anyone want to help me get the Master Rank Ribbon in SWSH? Im in Max Ranked singles

[dense latch]

https://x.com/pokemon_tcg/status/1913897017358823430?s=46 sejun is absurd lmao

Sejun Park (@pokemon_tcg) on X

I just qualified for PoGo Worlds this year!!

This makes me a first player who competed in all 4 games at worlds (VG/TCG/GO/UNITE)

See you in Anaheim🌎🌎

X · Apr 20, 2025, 10:06 AM

[foggy lodge]

Which btw

https://x.com/pokemon_tcg/status/1914151674664665335?t=OAje5exRv0DyvCN4XUGOvw&s=19

Sejun Park (@pokemon_tcg) on X

Unfortunately pokken was never released in Korea, but I technically did compete in pokken at worlds too...😂
(2015' Invitational)

X · Apr 21, 2025, 2:58 AM

[spiral ridge]

lol

Pokken was so fun

[chrome knot]

honk

[spiral ridge]

Shouldn’t you be asleep

[chrome knot]

homk

[spiral ridge]

Now he gotta win each or else

[spiral ridge]

Shouldmt you be asleep

[chrome knot]

im just a goose

homk

[spiral ridge]

A goose is not a bunny or a bug..

Is the trio now

Bun bug goose?

What’s going on in your dance club upstairs

[chrome knot]

noooooo

[spiral ridge]

Ic

[chrome knot]

homk

[spiral ridge]

Honk your nose

[chrome knot]

guh

hiss,,,,

[spiral ridge]

I

[chrome knot]

msjune wants more sweets

[spiral ridge]

Nooooo

That’s why you’re up so late

[chrome knot]

but theyre yummy!bbbbb!!!!

[spiral ridge]

Noo

[chrome knot]

candy om om om

[astral kelp]

wait non expanding force crown

[languid ocean]

sejun the madman

[languid ocean]

I found this wild JP team

[spiral ridge]

What da

[shadow wind]

Bro forgot the whole imprison part

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347322249-fs9d9kyadwq09onle7pc6896cs9ioejpw

This was game 1

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347335714-hvo8gk8mytmtcendr9inxqlhsr9tb75pw

So many game 1 forfeits

[languid ocean]

lmao we're planning to do a tournament where you MUST have a mon with Imprison in all games

[astral kelp]

bruh

my team is gone wtf showdown

[shadow wind]

Me when I use prankster skill swap imprison on anything

[tiny karma]

Sandy Shocks [Electric/Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Flying, Poison, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ground, Ice, Water

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.
Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Miraidon Kyogre is a weird pair

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347343999

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347344962

Whole set was kinda weird

[balmy glen]

oh ur gg

[shadow wind]

Please tell me you didn't cook me earlier today, I promise I'm still testing 🙏

[balmy glen]

i did :p

[shadow wind]

😔

[balmy glen]

dw im testing too

[shadow wind]

What pairing were you using?

[balmy glen]

just basic CSR Zama

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

Yeah I played a lot of those today so I can't even say I remember

[astral kelp]

wyt of this conner

[shadow wind]

Team struggles when I make crap calls

[knotty mirage]

Wait who's the best pair for calyrex ice currently ?

[shadow wind]

Miraidon

[knotty mirage]

Okay fair enough

[shadow wind]

Looks like it loses 6-0 to Kyogre

[astral kelp]

yeah thats accurate

[balmy glen]

Zama 🙂

[astral kelp]

i was considering running thunder on sandy

but the evs werent good

[knotty mirage]

I'm thinking of using scarf mirai seem's could be good for fast pivot while my caly ice set up trick room

[shadow wind]

Ion know bout that one chief

[astral kelp]

yo ive been seeing a lot of scarf mirai recently

it actually doesnt seem that bad

[shadow wind]

Outspeeds and kills CSR

[astral kelp]

he still does one billion damage without specs

[shadow wind]

One billion - 2 million

[balmy glen]

click imprison

[shadow wind]

💀

[balmy glen]

click wide guard click trick room just game on them

[knotty mirage]

I mean spec mirai feel like overkill most of the time anyway

[shadow wind]

"Just game on them"

That's always my plan 😎

[balmy glen]

yuh

[astral kelp]

yeah even 'tanky' mons like farigiraffe get one shot with like 30% overkill

[shadow wind]

That's why I lead the same all 3 games, I'll play around their lead

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i'm not sure if that gonna work with everyone doing billion damage

[shadow wind]

Until they lead CSR Zama and I miss my pblades 😔

I still can't decide on a Lunala set

Meteor beam or Wide guard

[knotty mirage]

Why not just run both

[shadow wind]

Bro loves getting walled by normal and dark types

[astral kelp]

yeah running just moongeist feels so shit

[shadow wind]

I'm dual moons with wide guard and TR

[knotty mirage]

Nah just run moon blast

[astral kelp]

💀

[shadow wind]

...

[astral kelp]

non stab moongeist only attacking move LOL

[shadow wind]

No stab is crazy

[astral kelp]

at that point might as well go full tank and run helping hands or something lmao

[shadow wind]

Will o wisp !!

Covert cloak Chi yu is actually surprisingly useful

[astral kelp]

NOO

[knotty mirage]

I mean you can run moongeist beam moon blast and both wide guard and meteor beam right

[shadow wind]

Just go "Prescription Blades"

Cause bro needs glasses

I think I used that in Reg G 2024

[astral kelp]

its a yomama joke because grabity

[astral kelp]

i love that LMAO

[shadow wind]

Bet it had like 4 games

[astral kelp]

the joke is this

[shadow wind]

That's epic

[knotty mirage]

Like you don't need too run psyhic move if dark type is the problem here right

[shadow wind]

I need TR

It's a Tailroom team

Also guys!

NEW MIKU AVATARS !!!!

RAHHHHH!! I LOVE MIKU!!

[astral kelp]

and ofc

[languid ocean]

lilli gang

[shadow wind]

I don't think I can ditch my current avatar but the Miku Ghost avatar is sick

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347351720-17uf176s5xrwpnqbinb79nanauf18j1pw

this actually feels kinda amaizng

[astral kelp]

why does that go so hard

i kinda love sandy shocks

[shadow wind]

They got 9 Mikus so far

[astral kelp]

lol lets name everything

why not

wheres miku?

[astral kelp]

i wanna see miku eletric

oh my god there is way more sprites that shows

can i even use these

[shadow wind]

Yup

Just do /avatar “Name of avatar”

[astral kelp]

omg

okay how cooked am i

[shadow wind]

10/10 cooked

[astral kelp]

lets try trick room mode lol

oh its imprision indeedee fuck

[shadow wind]

Yikes

[astral kelp]

nvm he lead indeedee for literally no reason we chillin

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347355606

this team is so fun lol

kyogre matchup is fucking rough tho

im considering tera dragon on groudon @shadow wind
to resist water and grass

is this dumb?

[shadow wind]

A little yeah

[astral kelp]

tera grass does a similiar thing i guess

[shadow wind]

That ice weakness is just so apparent

[astral kelp]

being weak to fire in sun is kinda yikes

[shadow wind]

Why do you need water and grass resist?

[astral kelp]

kyogre mostly

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen some Tera water Groudons

[astral kelp]

tera water doesnt sound bad

im also considering tera eletric eletric punch

164+ Atk Tera-Electric Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 162-192 (92.5 - 109.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO its okay

[shadow wind]

I’d rather just use Bolt

[astral kelp]

ill just go tera water tbh

164+ Atk Tera-Electric Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike in Electric Terrain: 194-230 (110.2 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO oh but wait thats kinda sick

[shadow wind]

That’s such a niche situation

[astral kelp]

wat why is elketric terrain on wtyf

164+ Atk Tera-Electric Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 150-176 (85.2 - 100%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO nvm LOL

[shadow wind]

Yeah…

[astral kelp]

oh well i got shocks for that

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[balmy glen]

wdym

[astral kelp]

omg necrozma dawn looks fucking SICK

[balmy glen]

what does a million dmg to calyice when u have a wide guard zama on ur team lol

its literally like mirai

then u just have indee

[astral kelp]

its ice type bro

literally everything

ice psychic is such a shit defensive type

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Ice [Psychic/Ice]

Resists (0.5x)

Ice, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Grass, Ground, Normal, Poison, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Fire, Ghost, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[knotty mirage]

I just think clicking imprison doesn't seem's to be really effective now when youre facing 2 restricted mon

[astral kelp]

dude im winstreaking so ahrd

this team is so fun

even shitran is popping off

[shadow wind]

Even when you turn 2 restricted into sitting ducks?

[astral kelp]

impriosion zamazenta is hilarious if op is zamazenta

[knotty mirage]

I mean depend on what the restricted i guess

[shadow wind]

Pretty good odds on CSR and Zama

[languid ocean]

lol im actually making imprison zam too

[astral kelp]

i get why yk

protect feels kinda mid on zama

[languid ocean]

https://pokepast.es/f52d96fadff898a8
https://pokepast.es/9d631f78bca30840
(note: in this planned tourney, you MUST use Imprison at least once)

zama having imprison protect and/or wide guard actually puts pressure

[astral kelp]

LOOL THAT ARTICUNO

i love that

[astral kelp]

:(

tornados kinda counters the entire team yikes

[chrome knot]

keanu is bringing cir mirai in a csr zam world a throw?

[balmy glen]

not completely it’s just harder to build

for certain archetypes your def spending more time in the builder than playing and that’s one of em lol

[chrome knot]

mmm

i also havethe csr zam bonnet but it seems like gamble

well its a recreation of what i remember

im just torn on what to bring and half the options i cant rly muscle memory a bo3

[astral kelp]

im really fascinated by how often mons that you dont really think about just suddently get a ton of playu

like brute bonnet just going crazy

[bold geode]

EMMA
HAAII

[tiny karma]

Move: Court Change

Switches the Mist, Light Screen, Reflect, Spikes, Safeguard, Tailwind, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, Water Pledge, Fire Pledge, Grass Pledge, Sticky Web, Aurora Veil, G-Max Steelsurge, G-Max Cannonade, G-Max Vine Lash, and G-Max Wildfire effects from the user's side to the opposing side and vice versa.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

LOL THATS SO FUNNY

court change the tailwind

cinderace movepool kinda goated

randomly learns shadow balll 💀

[solid frigate]

thats Protean/Libero Ability Mons main gimmick

[mild spoke]

Idk if im aloud to ask this here.... But does anyone want to battle? :>

[solid frigate]

you can ask in #1046572041421197352

[mild spoke]

I just saw that, im sorry

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2347717739-gsqtjrvhr301n49ye3q2hwgg56wmp3rpw

Raging bolt just tried to sell my game

[shadow wind]

I just ran into Weezing Kyogre

My brother in Christ that mon needs the weather 🙏

[left bobcat]

Fr 🙏

Lettuce pray 🙏

[rustic mountain]

probably a decision for weather wars so u can control the weather at will essentially. doesnt mean its a good one but i see wat they r trying

[shadow wind]

They lead with it though which confused me

Then they clicked ice beam and did 38% to Raging bolt…

Also Tera water Tera blast

[lofty tartan]

Sounds like someone who isn't very good.

[shadow wind]

I mean they had some elo but that doesn't really mean much

[lofty tartan]

Right

And this isn't some jab at them either - it's just an observation.

[shadow wind]

70% GXE ain't bad though

[lofty tartan]

ELO doesn't specifically quantify skill, though.

[shadow wind]

Yeah no of course not

[lofty tartan]

It has some merit in that regard, but there are other factors.

[shadow wind]

GXE is usually what I look at

[lofty tartan]

Tera Water Tera Blast Kyogre is... something