How do you just manage to run into everyone
#competitive_discussion
shadow wind
rustic mountain
do i?
forest arrow
I’m sorry lol I prob wasn’t like rude but I know I had to of said something about Zama CSR
its all good tho
forest arrow
Yeah I’m sorry I was facing it all day lol
rustic mountain
also u ff'd in a potential winning position
forest arrow
And tbh you were one of the only ones using the pair to really shut me down like that
astral kelp
never ff azzap gang
shadow wind
Tree how do you remember this game if it like a week ago
forest arrow
Idk maybe it was all in my head haha
astral kelp
double bike sounds interesting
forest arrow
I just felt behind
astral kelp
running both paradox mons
astral kelp
I just felt behind
i measn you can always get back in front
forest arrow
It’s basically just Arubega but instead of urshifu it’s korai
rustic mountain
interesting i thought basically we were at a 50/50 turn if u got right u won
but maybe i missed something u had koraidon in a good spot
forest arrow
Damn lol
rustic mountain
happens
rustic mountain
no its cool i get it and again not like u said anything crazy
forest arrow
Still have to say it
astral kelp
its just good
i was building weezing and it just naturally went like
zama csr is the best option by far
astral kelp
ive been running iron defense over protect on zama
rustic mountain
Funny that ho oh gives it trouble
ive lost to ho oh a cppl times funnily enough haha
astral kelp
people sometimes ignore it and you hit them with the iron defense and sweep
its awesome
forest arrow
Ho oh very real I believe but for sure still low tier
rustic mountain
its better then i thought
astral kelp
ohg yeah dude ho oh feels underrated
forest arrow
who knew double res it what it needed
astral kelp
its actually so much damage
rustic mountain
i was waiting for conner to pop up
shadow wind
🤪
astral kelp
doesnt it learn an actual good flying move
forest arrow
Connerrr
rustic mountain
brave bird
forest arrow
Our little groudon gamer haha
astral kelp
nvm
forest arrow
Brave bird
rustic mountain
yea u dont care for recoil as much w/ regen
forest arrow
Tree actually already said it lol
Yeah can just switch out
Doesn’t it get recover too
astral kelp
recover seems a little pointless
shadow wind
Y'all mess with safeguard Ho oh???
astral kelp
ayo
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
No more sleep or burns !
astral kelp
i wonder if hooh would combo well with parting shot grimmsnarl
forest arrow
Hmm idk
rustic mountain
power creep is crazy every restricted thats good for reg i is after gen 7 outside kyogre
shadow wind
I tried that and it wasn't terrible but I really like Grimmsnarl's other moves
rustic mountain
grimm suffers heavy from 4moveslot syndrome
shadow wind
Bro gets everything
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
Burning jealousy grimm
astral kelp
i tried something with like high switching in and out with grimmsnarl
it didnt feel bad
rustic mountain
i remember using bulk up grimm in singles way back when it was kinda heat
astral kelp
I was running this a while back
10/10 naming
shadow wind
i remember using bulk up grimm in singles way back when it was kinda heat
Me when I use nasty plot Grimmsnarl
astral kelp
i remember using bulk up grimm in singles way back when it was kinda heat
it learns an actual good fairy atk move doesnt sounds bad lol
rustic mountain
it was actually not terrible
shadow wind
10/10 naming
I was making new teams so I needed a name that wasn't just "Untitled X"
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
forest arrow
I was playing korai for awhile, but CSR and Kyogre is really out of my comfort zone
astral kelp
wait wtf 120 atk is insane
shadow wind
AV Grimmsnarl 🙏
astral kelp
????
forest arrow
It’s felt really good so far tho
rustic mountain
yea it has good atk
forest arrow
Offensive Grimm is real
rustic mountain
team seems solid
forest arrow
Thanks bro, it’s my first attempt
shadow wind
If I do CTS stuff I just know Grimmsnarl will be my Bo1 merchant
rustic mountain
im assuming like moon tw and lando to threaten zama?
astral kelp
lowkick is insane
forest arrow
Yeah, moon threatens horse too, also have taunt shifu, and Amoongus
Just depends on match up really
rustic mountain
yea
astral kelp
dude wtf is grimmsnarls coverage
rustic mountain
long as u got the tools cuz wide guard obviously gna b annoying for ur guys
astral kelp
could you imagine getting sucker punched by a lorb grimmsnarl when playing a csr team
rustic mountain
fine by me im sash
forest arrow
Yeah and +2 psychic has been ohkoing Zama if I get out positioned, I need to calc that to see if these ohkos aren’t rolls
rustic mountain
i did play an explosion tera normal normal gem metagross team earlier
oh no wait it was tera ghost smeargle no tera on metagross
astral kelp
this is HILARIOUS
forest arrow
could you imagine getting sucker punched by a lorb grimmsnarl when playing a cs...
CSR kind of goes down to a sneeze anyways that’s overkill lol
rustic mountain
Yeah and +2 psychic has been ohkoing Zama if I get out positioned, I need to cal...
it generally should unless they r heavily invested
astral kelp
CSR kind of goes down to a sneeze anyways that’s overkill lol
yeah actually dont even need lorbv
rustic mountain
yea 4x weakness is gna hurt
mighty stump
Yeah and +2 psychic has been ohkoing Zama if I get out positioned, I need to cal...
None of them are running bulk anymore
rustic mountain
tofu
forest arrow
That explains it
mighty stump
Idk if people wanna optimize it but it should be mainly 92 HP or 156 HP
astral kelp
4 Atk Grimmsnarl Sucker Punch vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 220-264 (122.9 - 147.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
mighty stump
Im running max speed max defense Zama
astral kelp
honestly im starting to consider running sucker punch grimmsnarl
shadow wind
Im running max speed max defense Zama
Jolly?
astral kelp
am i crazy
forest arrow
The 252 252 spread damn
mighty stump
Impish
forest arrow
I felt that tho
shadow wind
Jolly means less speed ties
rustic mountain
lmao yea im running speedy zama but not max speed
mighty stump
Jolly means less damage
rustic mountain
also tofu i hit 80% gxe
mighty stump
I mean you have to outspeed Chi-Yu/Lando-I at least
forest arrow
also tofu i hit 80% gxe
Bro congrats
mighty stump
also tofu i hit 80% gxe
omg congratuons
rustic mountain
tyty
shadow wind
also tofu i hit 80% gxe
Danggggg
mighty stump
ive just been playing Scarf Kyo and CSR with Turbo Incin
astral kelp
btw when youre playing scarf kyogre what do you do if opp leads tailwind?
rustic mountain
hows turbo incin been
mighty stump
btw when youre playing scarf kyogre what do you do if opp leads tailwind?
run redirection lol
or just match TW
mighty stump
hows turbo incin been
I run Taunt so good
astral kelp
run redirection lol
icic
mighty stump
it also deals with all the Lunalas with PHerb
you just knock off their PHerb
if its lefties just taunt
rustic mountain
hahah i love it
astral kelp
what if its like csr and a tailwind setter?
mighty stump
you can taunt enemy Incin
rustic mountain
i usually have to play the mind game cuz bo1
rustic mountain
im like is this power herb? lets see
mighty stump
You match TW and just soam Spout
First Spout will trigger Sash or KO
2nd Spout will finish
astral kelp
oh yeah scarf oger outspeeds
rustic mountain
u have prio block or defensive tera?
rustic mountain
ahh ok
rustic mountain
yea
forest arrow
I just started trying Kyo CSR, I’m mystic water tho
mighty stump
or just have Kyo in the back to clean up
rustic mountain
makes sense
mighty stump
I was Mystic Water but then it just felt like shit cuz everything outspeeds you
You can run Ghost Tera Specs if you want
forest arrow
you aren’t wrong
mighty stump
I also run Indeedee over Farig cause redirection + Mold Breaker Ogerpon ignores Armor Tail anw
Redirection + Rocky Helmet = Spout kills even the bulky Urshifu
mighty stump
Hard MUs so far is anything that has Scarf Chi-Yu + TW
cause I’m fairly low offense
forest arrow
I just might try that
mighty stump
I can send you my draft
forest arrow
Oo bet
rustic mountain
Hard MUs so far is anything that has Scarf Chi-Yu + TW
surprised ppl even bring chi yu into kyogre
i get scarf but still
astral kelp
surprised ppl even bring chi yu into kyogre
maybe if its the only thing that outspeeds?
rustic mountain
the dark pulse/snarl is prolly helpful id imagine idk
rustic mountain
ahhh ok yea in that case
mighty stump
astral kelp
Wtf is this
forest arrow
Thank you
mighty stump
Do you wanna play a set Throw
I'm still unconvinced on my restricteds that I wanna run
forest arrow
Mirror? Or my team?
mighty stump
Just your team
rustic mountain
yea sash csr genuinely just feels like the best csr
mighty stump
Whatever it is
forest arrow
I’m down
mighty stump
yea sash csr genuinely just feels like the best csr
Sometimes I miss out KOs and I miss LOrb stuff
rustic mountain
i feel that
mighty stump
Pagos can be hit or miss sometimes depending but Turbo Incin can Taunt it first before it CMs
@forest arrow whatsa ur user
rustic mountain
i just like the comfortability of staying infront of things knowing i can take that 1 hit
mighty stump
yea
rustic mountain
but ofc trade offs
rustic mountain
mood
forest arrow
ItzKoala
rustic mountain
i had to recheck at 1 point i was max speed timid
mighty stump
Snet
forest arrow
sorry had to run upstairs lol
shadow wind
How did I just get double Glacial lance crit into me missing a pblade
Game has it out for me
astral kelp
thats like a 0.9% chance?
shadow wind
Eh who even knows
astral kelp
the math gods
shadow wind
1/16^2 x .15
mighty stump
GG @forest arrow
mighty stump
I think the one thing with Choice Kyogre is that you just gotta commit to spamming Spout
LOL
Like even if you see like 4 resists
Just spam it
forest arrow
it definitely works lmao
mighty stump
But the team still has a lot of holes to patch
forest arrow
roaring moon? who cares
mighty stump
I think only thing you could have done was at least deal damage to Kyo so Spout wasnt as bad
I'd have traded Lando for a fat EP or sth
forest arrow
That honestly was my first thought
mighty stump
In those scenarios and if yo're gonan run it I wold pre-emptively Pollen Puff the slot
I'd take advantage of Single Target Psychic + Psy Terrain to click it into resists as well just to get rid of them
torn parrot
chrome knot
@mighty stump do u think ursh @ 131, lunala @ 132 is fun conga line or is it just irrelevant
astral kelp
positioning is hard
i wonder if i can make sandy work in reg I
yo @shadow wind whats your av groudon spread?
ITS THE FAMED GROUDOGRE
cyan smelt
Haven't seen kingambit in a while
astral kelp
yeah he didnt do much
he just kinda switched in to kingambit and swiched out next turn
idk why tho lmao
cyan smelt
Gambit seems bad into a lot of stuff rn
astral kelp
yeah just seems so ass
x4 weak to fighting 💀
zamazenta and urshifu victim
my team sucks ass btw
astral kelp
ITS THE FAMED GROUDOGRE
the fact that i lost to whatever the fuck this is
ig it was kind of a bad mu
nope good matchuop but it still sucks lmao
astral kelp
hooh feels kinda ass ngl
solid frigate
time to build the team in Cart
astral kelp
time to build the team in Cart
whats that?
next stump
cart = in game
astral kelp
huh where does that come from i wonder
charred saddle
cartridge
astral kelp
ah ic makes sense
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> do u think ursh @ 131, lunala @ 132 is fun conga line or i...
fun conga line
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
timber falcon
what should i do when ive got a stable 4 first mons, but have no idea what to add?
feels like a roadblock
foggy lodge
How do you beat Zama csr tbh
timber falcon
idk but ive managed to do it pretty often lol
mainly through pagos and whimsicott
but it fo definitely need a better answer than whats currently on the team
timber falcon
all evs are just slapped on
timber falcon
And knock off Incin> snarl
i assumed in this SPATCKER dominated meta snarl would be better though
foggy lodge
Do you prefer knocking off a specs on miraidon or going for the -1 drop
timber falcon
good point
much rather item gone
i think at the very least though, AV should be fine right?
foggy lodge
Maybe idk I like rocky helmet more
timber falcon
for rapid shifu?
foggy lodge
Zama
timber falcon
and then opt for a more defensive spread
foggy lodge
you don't really care for urshifu if you have groudon
Atleast for water shifu
Dark is more problematic but you break the sash if they go for CC
timber falcon
i wasnt aware dark shifu was prominent, any specific teams that its being used on?
dense latch
i wasnt aware dark shifu was prominent, any specific teams that its being used o...
it’s seen in some mirai calyrex ice teams
it’s much less common than rapid strike though
left bobcat
Garganacl moveset should change
queen monolith
To what?
left bobcat
Why does it have 4 special attack
queen monolith
.. I didn’t connect that. Thank you lol
left bobcat
Garganacl plays better as a stall mon
next stump
are you aiming to play online battles with that team
queen monolith
Wait he has 2 physical moves. Avalanche and zen headbutt.
And when he’s Tera, Tera blast uses his attack.
left bobcat
Given its bulk it could use salt cure, body press, iron defense, and recover
No offense but the team is just-
A no go
queen monolith
Ah.
left bobcat
Why does altaria have dragon dance when its using 2 special attacks
queen monolith
I did say i was thinking swapping altaria
left bobcat
And why is noivern a mixed attacker
dense latch
what format is this team for?
queen monolith
And why is noivern a mixed attacker
In case there’s physically or specially bulky mons.
queen monolith
what format is this team for?
Doubles.
left bobcat
My guy you are cooked
left bobcat
In case there’s physically or specially bulky mons.
Bruh
queen monolith
I’m trying to have someone that can hit both.
latent leaf
Always bet on crits
left bobcat
I’m trying to have someone that can hit both.
That’s not a good idea
You’re better off specializing in one area attack
Let’s take a look at noivern’s stats
queen monolith
What if I swapped noivern for a gastrodon?
Recover, water pulse, spikes, and earth power.
dense latch
are you aiming to play online battles with that team
also this, is this for the current ranked battle doubles format? in that case it’s looking very very rough
queen monolith
I mainly get cooked cause people use psychic Tera shadow rider and expanding force.
left bobcat
In case there’s physically or specially bulky mons.
This is noivern’s stats
latent leaf
I thought noivern bad higher spatk
left bobcat
Noivern’s attack stat isn’t good
dense latch
yea you should definitely use a restricted pokemon
left bobcat
And wing attack is weak too
queen monolith
What if I swapped noivern for a gastrodon?
How about this?
left bobcat
Recover, water pulse, spikes, and earth power.
If you’re playing doubles then you might want to remove spikes
You gotta have a good idea of what you want from your team
I see you have torn on the team
Torn and gastrodon don’t exactly match like that considering gastrodon is a slow mon
queen monolith
Mhm. Rain dance, taunt, tailwind, and bleak wind storm.
left bobcat
You’re better off using trick room if you want gastrodon to play offensive
Evs can definitely make a difference on how a game goes
queen monolith
So if I wanna use gastrodon, I’d want a slow team with one quick mon to set up trick room.
left bobcat
Because also consider that the opposing player to also have a torn
If their torn is faster than yours then they can just use taunt
queen monolith
True.
left bobcat
So if I wanna use gastrodon, I’d want a slow team with one quick mon to set up t...
Gastrodon is mostly used to stop strong water types
dense latch
So if I wanna use gastrodon, I’d want a slow team with one quick mon to set up t...
trick room is negative priority so it won’t matter how fast your user is, it’s almost always going last
left bobcat
With its storm drain ability
dense latch
typically also better as a defensive pokemon
chrome knot
how fast does groudon usuallyh run
chrome knot
queen monolith
Let me try and make a new team and I’ll send it after
left bobcat
Ok
queen monolith
This at all better?
Wait. Got to go tornadus. Not thunderous.
Thundurus *
There we go.
mighty stump
Where r ur Restricteds
queen monolith
Wdym?
queen monolith
Well who would have you use in a rain team like this?
mighty stump
Current format power level is centred around such Pokemon
queen monolith
I mean. I could swap gasteodon for kyogre
mighty stump
Kyogre would be a must-have. 2nd pair tends to be either Zacian or Miraidon.
Calyrex Shadow Rider is fjne as well.
queen monolith
Or i could bring kyruem black.
queen monolith
Kyogre would be a must-have. 2nd pair tends to be either Zacian or Miraidon.
I don’t have miraidon. I’m scarlet
mighty stump
It’s pretty bad. Are you decently aware of the popular combinations or what the format looks like at the moment?
mighty stump
I don’t have miraidon. I’m scarlet
What about Zac?
queen monolith
It’s pretty bad. Are you decently aware of the popular combinations or what the ...
No because I mostly see shadow rider with expanding force, or someone using chien-pao to try and sweep.
queen monolith
What about Zac?
I don’t have a Zacian either.
But I might be able to transfer him with Pokémon home.
mighty stump
I think it’s best to be aware of the usage stats at the very least to see what matchups you’re going to be facing.
queen monolith
Let me transfer Zacian over.
timber falcon
are the evs set on stone yet?
timber falcon
someone wanna make team in reg I with no restricted --> tofu advice --> present
left bobcat
someone wanna make team in reg I with no restricted --> tofu advice --> present
Ik that much
chrome knot
@mighty stump tofu tofu
queen monolith
Got Zacian transferred over. Idk what sort of team to make for him.
left bobcat
Got Zacian transferred over. Idk what sort of team to make for him.
Well there’s a bit you can cook with zacian
You can bring in sand weather with tyranitar to boost special def
queen monolith
True
And if I bring like a corviknight that may help.
Can send him in when predicting an earthquake.
How’s this look?
I get sandstorm, toxic debris/toxic, a way to bypass protect, and Zacian.
foggy lodge
Are you playing singles or vgc
queen monolith
Doubles.
foggy lodge
damn
queen monolith
What?
foggy lodge
Nah that team won't work for the format
queen monolith
Whys that?
foggy lodge
"sand" teams are just dead for the meta
Zacian plays a completely different archetype
Which is mainly just hyper offense
queen monolith
So I should use it for singles?
foggy lodge
Tyranitar was used a bit with Zamazenta but not for sand teams, just helps against certain mons that are annoying for the team like CSR and weather restricteds
foggy lodge
So I should use it for singles?
Up to you
I just asked because the team looks more focused to singles than doubles
queen monolith
That’s fair. I’ll give it a shot.
Ok it’s cooking so far. Iron boulder swept a guy.
next stump
finally getting around to playing Reg I
it is fun so far
i think zamazenta is a boring pokemon to face so that’s kinda lame but otherwise cool diversity
lunala seems really good
mint void
So I should use it for singles?
Its for sure more of a singles team
Wtf is the Zacian set tho bro
Why iron defense?
Just go zama if u want a bulky mon
craggy dagger
methinks that was a typo and it’s supposed to be iron head
mint void
Maybe. Doesnt fix CC and Sacred + Fire Fang
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
they seem new-
mint void
@craggy dagger and Iron Boulder us also running iron defense, same for corvi + he mentioned stall so it might be intentional
craggy dagger
so i doubt they know much
craggy dagger
<@541037106496012290> and Iron Boulder us also running iron defense, same for co...
hm.
maybe
mint void
Well the team could function in singles with a few adjustments
Just needs major changes for VGC
chrome knot
lunala seems really good
lunala is fire im bringing her to milwaukee
hard swift
I was building a reg I team with groudon and zama but im pretty bad at making ev spreads and sometimes my movesets aren't the best either so I wanted some help making adjustments
hard swift
I see that it doesnt work with the sun now
solid frigate
no shit-
hard swift
I was playing test matches and never even brought it to any games lol
dense latch
wide lens with groudon isn’t worth it imo
solid frigate
use walking wake
dense latch
the value other items bring is way better
hard swift
yeah I tried clear amulet as well
dense latch
the sets on some mons can also be improved
hard swift
i was choosing between those two
dense latch
iron defense zama is overkill, i’d use protect instead
hard swift
alr
solid frigate
i forgot to build my reg I team-
dense latch
and yea you should look at changing your evs to something more optimized especially for rillaboom
using ev spreads from munchstats is fine as a starting point and then you can slightly change them around to your liking or what you wanna live
hard swift
okay
chrome knot
i forgot to build my reg I team-
ive been procrastinating building mine in game ngl
have to home transfer around so many and ion wanna :(
solid frigate
have to home transfer around so many and ion wanna :(
F
at least i got my mons,its just i am so fucking broke
chrome knot
i have to home transfer to change nicknames
evs teras moves and items have been done for awhile,,,
solid frigate
;-;
left bobcat
CUZ TONIGHT WILL BE THE NIGHT
foggy lodge
I was building a reg I team with groudon and zama but im pretty bad at making ev...
Zama Groudon is just a bad combo tbh
Loses too hard to things like Kyogre Lunala or Miraidon
And any combination of those 3
chrome knot
@tranquil kraken hi competitive helper can you help me with my team
hard swift
Zama Groudon is just a bad combo tbh
should I just build a team around two different restricteds or could I keep one and swap out another
tranquil kraken
<@248945583874768905> hi competitive helper can you help me with my team
yes
charred saddle
ili comp helper 
spiral ridge
charcadet
ceruledge
armarouge
tinkatink
tinkaton
incineroar
Kk
Lemme get out the car
tranquil kraken
dont forget me when u win worlds
spiral ridge
<:businesswoman:822430959957049374> dont forget me when u win worlds
Dw I will that money is all mine <3
tranquil kraken
wow…
tranquil kraken
skill issue
spiral ridge
If I don’t get the money yeah it would be
Or luck issue
spiral ridge
Refer to luck issue
tranquil kraken
ok fair
near crag
Any thoughts on eternatus csr? I mean, there is some type synergy, but eternatus doesn't really do anything to help csr, and just getting 6 strong pokemon don't make a good team (it's already a stretch to call eternatus strong)
tranquil kraken
i got promoted
solid frigate
huh
near crag
Any thoughts on eternatus csr? I mean, there is some type synergy, but eternatus...
Also kinda applies for palkia, ho-oh, and dialga, with csr
chrome knot
<a:aMumeiNodFast:880483492125872250>
ili got promoted
nooo
role should prob go to people who know what talking abouttt
solid frigate
<a:aMumeiNodFast:880483492125872250>
ili got promoted
yeeeeee
craggy dagger
role should prob go to people who know what talking abouttt
but ili does know...
chrome knot
yeahh.,
charred saddle
ili won worlds before
i was there to witness the glory of charcadets
trust 
chrome knot
i understand he has it as a joke but like an active comp helper in est hours would be great
warped mason
thoughts on this mirai ogre team?
bold geode
i understand he has it as a joke but like an active comp helper in est hours wou...
I remember when I went for it
Uh
Um
Me no know LOL
wispy spade
You forgot your 3rd restricted: urshifu
chrome knot
i think just someone with veryvery technical understanding of game
should get :v
and someome who can actually help lmao
cerulean sail
i just noticed that my female white striped shiny basculin has 'no good' for speed ivs, which I think is 0. Does anyone have experience with a trickroom F-basculegion?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cerulean sail
i just noticed that my female white striped shiny basculin has 'no good' for spe...
just build my basculegion F: 0 Speed, +SpA -Spe, 252 HP, 252 Spa, 4 Def, Adaptability, Hydropump, Shadowball, Ice Beam, Protect and im thinking about running it in a rain team with left overs, if anyone is curious and wants to try it on showdown, id be very interested in hearing ur impressions
Tera water btw
also thinking about guard swapping using umbreon...
polar canyon
just build my basculegion F: 0 Speed, +SpA -Spe, 252 HP, 252 Spa, 4 Def, Adaptab...
Sure is something
left bobcat
I promise
solid frigate
team is built
solid frigate
thoughts on this mirai ogre team?
only 2 Protects is ummm-
also why is safety goggles here,you have Miraidon
rustic mountain
just build my basculegion F: 0 Speed, +SpA -Spe, 252 HP, 252 Spa, 4 Def, Adaptab...
this is for doubles?
rustic mountain
1st i wanna know wat they r even attempting format wise before jumping into all that
solid frigate
1st i wanna know wat they r even attempting format wise before jumping into all ...
fair
rustic mountain
cuz for doubles yea female basc is mid af, prolly is for singles too but i cant really speak on that much
solid frigate
gonna prove P2 is still relevant (Build my team in Cart)
solid frigate
cuz for doubles yea female basc is mid af, prolly is for singles too but i cant ...
lemme check it
RU
Male Basc is NU
cyan smelt
Don't think I've ever played against a female basculegion
Also they mentioned trick room so I assume doubles?
solid frigate
i think ive played vs 1
also btw tree
Got my team in cart 
solid frigate
i think i gta jus ev zama and i should b good
yeah fair
rustic mountain
atleast for my 1st team lol
solid frigate
time to show what Porygon2 can do kek
cyan smelt
Everyone on that Zama csr train
solid frigate
i'm not
rustic mountain
best duo imo
solid frigate
actually i beat one just now in cart with Chien Pao amoonguss lead
cyan smelt
They do have good synergy
rustic mountain
yea
the mirror is annoying but otherwise its super strong, i hit 80% for the 1st time for me w/ it
cyan smelt
Mirai lunala also looks strong
solid frigate
Scarf Shifu is a godsend of my team
rustic mountain
mirai lunala is a top 3 duo
solid frigate
Is MiraiOgre like top 10 at least-
rustic mountain
scarf shifu kinda jus goated tbh
rustic mountain
Is MiraiOgre like top 10 at least-
idk if i rank em that far down rn but prolly somewhere around there
solid frigate
scarf shifu kinda jus goated tbh
OHKO CSR kek
rustic mountain
to me mirai/cir zama/csr and mirai/lunala are the top 3 duos atm
solid frigate
idk if i rank em that far down rn but prolly somewhere around there
yeah cuz i don't want to overrate it rn
rustic mountain
for me like
its 2 strong restricteds i just dont know how well they necessarily compliment each other
dense latch
to me mirai/cir zama/csr and mirai/lunala are the top 3 duos atm
yea facts
solid frigate
its 2 strong restricteds i just dont know how well they necessarily compliment e...
Mirai Ogre?
rustic mountain
yea
solid frigate
its just help against CIR and Groudon MU
rustic mountain
i get like
dense latch
csr korai is prob top 5 imo
rustic mountain
ground types and water types for the other
solid frigate
but both just hates Rilla lmao
rustic mountain
but yea stuff like that
solid frigate
ground types and water types for the other
i think the most annoying restricted i face with MiraiOgre is Lunala suprisingly
rustic mountain
csr korai is prob top 5 imo
i havent been impressed by it so far but im prolly missing something
cyan smelt
Tree what do you think about lunadon
rustic mountain
i think the most annoying restricted i face with MiraiOgre is Lunala suprisingly
lunala is annoying for me sometimes too haha
dense latch
i havent been impressed by it so far but im prolly missing something
feels like a strong ho duo personally but idk how good they actually are
ive seen it a lot tho
rustic mountain
Tree what do you think about lunadon
i think its bait, unless ur not running meteor beam lunala but still, the chance to miss w/ ur restricted sucks
dense latch
like second most common restricted next to csr behind zama
solid frigate
lunala is annoying for me sometimes too haha
thats why i love P2 for it,works with Trick Room,sure its not as good as Fari,but its far much bulkier
rustic mountain
they function differently
solid frigate
yeah
rustic mountain
id say giraffe def better for the format
solid frigate
the only reason why i want to use P2 cuz Fari feels like a sitting duck for me most of the time
rustic mountain
feels like a strong ho duo personally but idk how good they actually are
ive se...
ive run into it but i usually dont lose to it so i think between it being early format and less optimization i am lookin at it with a limited scope
rustic mountain
the only reason why i want to use P2 cuz Fari feels like a sitting duck for me m...
yea i get that, kinda depends tbh, it can be nice at enabling ur guys w/ helping hand or setting up tr if need be. foul play can be nice into some stuff. and kyogre loves prio block
dense latch
can’t wait for the first reg i regional
rustic mountain
its not really supposed to be super pro active as a mon
dense latch
i’ve seen swordfish be pretty strong on ladder but i wanna see how that reflects into official tournaments
solid frigate
it would be top 5 pair imo
atomic mural
i love swordfish
rustic mountain
but yea its good
solid frigate
same lmao (If i lead Shifu)
rustic mountain
i think top 5 might be a bit high for it now
rustic mountain
thats not fast haha
cerulean sail
this is for doubles?
yes
solid frigate
thats not fast haha
then 3-3 then
rustic mountain
yes
female basc is not it rn sorry to break it to u
too much powerful threats that can either threaten damage on u or take hits and retaliate anyway
solid frigate
also there is Male Basculegion anyway if you don't want to use Urshifu
rustic mountain
under trick room u want extremely offensive board positions to basically drain ur opponents resources by the time tr expires
female basc does not get u there
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
holy fuck 100 SpA-
cerulean sail
i think yall are misunderstanding what im trying to do
im not trying to dominate this current format lmao im trying to see if a fun gimmick with an ultra bulky fish in trickroom could ladder a bit
the synergy with umbreon isnt there
dense latch
why would female basc be your choice for tr
solid frigate
call it Ultra Bulky is just insulting Cresselia-
dense latch
it’s not even that slow
cerulean sail
because I happened to have a shiny female basculegion w 0 speed ivs
thats what sparked the idea
cerulean sail
call it Ultra Bulky is just insulting Cresselia-
guard swap umbreon is the theory here
rustic mountain
realistically u could run anything and ladder but ur choosing to run something cuz its shiny and happened to have 0 speed iv. thats fine if u wanna jus run it and not care about winning but ur coming into a comp chat asking about it, we arent going to necessarily delve into super gimmick strat of a beyond niche mon is all
cerulean sail
i didnt have that expectation I just came here and asked if anyone has any experience running basculegion in trickroom
rustic mountain
nah cuz its not a tr mon
solid frigate
also doesn't Most of the Restricteds nukes the gimmick anyway-
rustic mountain
nor something that really benefits from leftovers its bulk isnt that good
solid frigate
i didnt have that expectation I just came here and asked if anyone has any exper...
then what are you running on restricteds?
cerulean sail
then what are you running on restricteds?
i didnt think about that lol im not even thinking abt this format
guess this is the wrong place to bounce ideas like that
rustic mountain
even for gimmick strats u gta think on the format somewhat otherwise how else r u gna be able to execute it?
cerulean sail
in another format
strange fjord
At this point, you're probably better off running Swift Swim Basc in Rain with surf or something
cerulean sail
whenever that may be
rustic mountain
if this was reg h ud def have a bit of an easier time trying something like that
its just tough w/ so many strong mons available now
cuz ur trynna run something in a way it really isnt conducive to the mons strengths
chrome knot
i wanna stay home and skip milwaukee & naic ngl
solid frigate
btw Tree me and some other friends(Not in the teambuild group)
Made a Kyurem White+Kyogre meme team lmao
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
i wanna stay home and skip milwaukee & naic ngl
gta ease off all the pressure ur puttin on urself
chrome knot
i cant
my mental health is beneath the floor rn
and ive spiralled into chaos so badly
cerulean sail
its just tough w/ so many strong mons available now
ran this simple calc and honestly for a fun thing to try out it looks fun
this is after guard swap w umbreon
rustic mountain
my mental health is beneath the floor rn
sorry to hear that
strange fjord
ran this simple calc and honestly for a fun thing to try out it looks fun
miraidon is level 50, basc is level 100 in that calc
cerulean sail
oh god
rustic mountain
cerulean sail
my bad LMAO YES THIS DOESNT WORK
solid frigate
sounds like thats not a fair test(Science brain got into me)
chrome knot
sorry to hear that
idk i wish i knew how to fix it
hrt is actively working against me rn
makes girl yes but amplifies emotions alot and makes bpd so much more apparent to the point where i cannot handle it
solid frigate
me in Every Format
rustic mountain
idk i wish i knew how to fix it
i hope u figure out something, in the meantime try not to be so hard on urself as difficult as it may be
chrome knot
easier said than done :(
rustic mountain
me in Every Format
u play teams that arent rain right?
chrome knot
i literally decompose and cry when teams dont work
rustic mountain
just apart of the process, most teams undergo tons of iterations
solid frigate
u play teams that arent rain right?
yeah but i at least play rain in every format
rustic mountain
cant tie urself to a teams success so much
rustic mountain
yeah but i at least play rain in every format
i think i may too now that i think about it
rustic mountain
which means im the problem
so learn from it, also too like not every team some1 does well with is one ur necessarily gna mesh w/ either, and most teams that do well become targeted or at the very least accounted for, sometimes its about sticking with it and learning the ins nd outs before just dropping it cuz it doesnt click off rip
chrome knot
i literally dont have any more bases to go off bc all the standard ones i just can’t get the wheels turning
which makes me panic and stress out over
rustic mountain
ur prolly jus overthinking it tbh
and going thru a rough patch which happens to every comp player
and things are just compounding
chrome knot
i most definitely am but idk how to fix iy
rustic mountain
first id chill for atleast a day or 2
give urself time to collect urself
nd come back a bit more fresh
chrome knot
i understandddd
solid frigate
my first battle is my absolute worst MU I had in my plan LOL
wait which vs which
solid frigate
its the koraidon perish trap team for my opp
Wolfe?
languid ocean
its similar to his yea
solid frigate
are you playing Terapagos-
languid ocean
my indeedee is uh
one taunt away
well no turning back after all gonna give my all
rustic mountain
x-2 can cut still right? just focus and win out
solid frigate
go for it
yeah,but you have to play it perfectly
should've done that in my regional run-
rustic mountain
not sure how it is for asias circuit but atleast for the others x-2 cuts
rustic mountain
either u ball out on those or dodge em
u can usually afford to hit 1 or 2 bad mus in a run tbh its just like u dont have much margin for loss outside of that
if u wanna day 2 and then top cut
solid frigate
u can usually afford to hit 1 or 2 bad mus in a run tbh its just like u dont hav...
6/8 are bad MU imo lmao
rustic mountain
then ur team sucked unfortunately haha
solid frigate
2 CIRs 2 CSR 2 Groudon
rustic mountain
if ur hitting that many bad mus
solid frigate
well not really consider Groudon like bad MU cuz like
shadow wind
So turns out this team isn't awesome
solid frigate
its 50/50
rustic mountain
dude how are the 2 horses bad mus for u
solid frigate
So turns out this team isn't awesome
no shit-
rustic mountain
those r like the guys
solid frigate
dude how are the 2 horses bad mus for u
i struggled and hyperfocused on one play
+They are a better player than me
rustic mountain
So turns out this team isn't awesome
tf is ceruledge for? csr/zama?
shadow wind
That was the thought process yeah
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Ceru next to Lunala was SUPPOSED to be good into CSR Zama
shadow wind
Why can't I find a consistent sun guy
solid frigate
Round 1: vs Zamazenta (W)
Round 2: vs Groudon (L)
Round 3: vs Calyrex Shadow Rider (L)
Round 4: vs Calyrex Ice Rider (L)
Round 5: vs Lefties Calm Mind Kyogre (L)
Round 6: vs Groudon (W)
Round 7: vs Calyrex Shadow Rider (W)
Round 8: Opponent Dropped Off,Calyrex Ice Rider (W)
I think i have the biggest comeback of not going 1-7
shadow wind
Like I look for fire types and 99% of them are MID
atomic mural
is there actually any fire types that are common in reg g that isnt incin and heartflame or is that actually it
solid frigate
Chi yu
atomic mural
forgot chi yu
rustic mountain
like come on-
lmao its a good team but yea those mind games are insane
forest arrow
How do you forget the feesh
shadow wind
Chi yu is NOT consistent what are you guys on about
forest arrow
there is also entei and heatran
shadow wind
Right heat wave and overheat
atomic mural
How do you forget the feesh
idk
shadow wind
Sounds like I'm going to have a bad time
solid frigate
lmao its a good team but yea those mind games are insane
also i think i did not account for Lefties Ogre during my testing so i did lost on it (Its the same formula as the finalist one)
rustic mountain
ngl conner sun does not seem good to me in these first few weeks of reg i
solid frigate
Chi yu is NOT consistent what are you guys on about
skill issue
shadow wind
....
solid frigate
solid frigate
for no reason btw
shadow wind
ngl conner sun does not seem good to me in these first few weeks of reg i
Won't stop me
forest arrow
Won't stop me
Same
rustic mountain
ik
forest arrow
Im korai tho lol
shadow wind
Yeah we are not the same
forest arrow
im consistent 😛
solid frigate
kek
rustic mountain
also i think i did not account for Lefties Ogre during my testing so i did lost ...
not even just that if u had a positive mu into the horses u potentially go 6-2 (ur opponent prolly wouldnt drop round 8 in this case) and u day 2
shadow wind
And I'm cooking on ladder
cyan smelt
Conner you forgot ho oh
rustic mountain
like u couldve eaten the bad mu into lefties ogre and been fine
solid frigate
not even just that if u had a positive mu into the horses u potentially go 6-2 (...
honestly if i can lock in better then day 2 first regional is like insane for a first timer
cyan smelt
Ok, gouging fire then
rustic mountain
honestly if i can lock in better then day 2 first regional is like insane for a ...
yea jus steps to build on
rustic mountain
i feel like even b4 u went u locked in ur team way ahead of the event
solid frigate
yea jus steps to build on
but i am not complaining on 4-4
rustic mountain
which usually isnt wat u should be doing
solid frigate
i feel like even b4 u went u locked in ur team way ahead of the event
Flutter is technically the last second descision lmao
solid frigate
what was last 2nd 2 weeks before the tour?
no like 2 days before regional and pack up my stuff
rustic mountain
ahh ok
solid frigate
i have school before i go to bham lmao
rustic mountain
damn
shadow wind
I don't even know why I ask for help here, I'm not using a popular restricted
solid frigate
damn
so the pressure and Stuff is up and i could've make a new comp but the insane pressure got me
rustic mountain
i didnt even know u were asking for help
cyan smelt
How about Moltres? Resists body press and has weather ball
shadow wind
Only I'll know what's really the best for the team
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
solid frigate
press a miss blades
Precimiss lmao
rustic mountain
that u trust
shadow wind
unless u have some1 ofc testing w/ u
Ain't nobody wanna touch Groudon with a 40 foot pole
solid frigate
i literally tried Lunadon with Sandy Shocks Beat that.
shadow wind
Wow congrats
solid frigate
and Charizard out of all things-
shadow wind
You still using the team?
solid frigate
You still using the team?
Mirai Ogre superiority kek
shadow wind
Kinda proves my point
solid frigate
no tbf its not like the team is bad
its way harder to run Lunadon in general
if its like gen 7
Lunadon will be my second team
shadow wind
Using Groudon has toughened me up
When I get to a format without him I cook
I'm going to try Heatran gaming
Brute Bonnet actually seems kinda good
rustic mountain
it picked up a lot towards the end of reg g as im sure ur aware
rustic mountain
bonnet
shadow wind
Yeah ok
Wait Tera fairy heatran does well into Koraidon
Man I keep running into the same guy that runs Koraidon Lunala
And he cooks me every time because turn 1 is just a 50/50
Bro has 500 games in Reg I Bo3
Get a life 😭
And that's a lot comin from me
cyan smelt
Is high ladder bo3 just the same 3 people
cyan smelt
Risky
shadow wind
I know but I never am forced to click it over Moongeist or Moonblast
Me when I'm cooking
shadow wind
The worst possible thing for Groudon to get encored into is Pblades
astral kelp
basculegion actually doesnt sound bad
shadow wind
It's actually pretty good but Raging bolt and Kingambit just shaft it
shadow wind
Nah he don't
shadow wind
And Adaptability
astral kelp
and last respects is potentially a what 150bp move?
shadow wind
200
astral kelp
you could run it with like anihilape so it becomes a 3x3 but your move starts out at 200 bp
that sounds kinda interesting
shadow wind
Yeah Ion know
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
this seems so ass 💀
astral kelp
its sash as well why not just go unburden anyways
lets you get a free hit after it procks
with like 400 speed or something
astral kelp
shadow wind
I also got so unlucky that set
astral kelp
wait i didnt even notice that thats so stupid
shadow wind
I missed 2/3 of my meteor beams I think
astral kelp
Nah missed 2/2
:(
astral kelp
thats like a 1% chance lmao
is it just me or is this farigiraffe set absolute dogshit
wtf does it even do
astral kelp
it just sits there and does like 10% which psychic
shadow wind
Yeah especially with the 2 powerhouses it can help
astral kelp
psychic kinda does nothing
i guess specifically koraidon answer?
but then just use idk dazzling gleam
shadow wind
Psychic noise is usually used on it
astral kelp
yeah that has a nieshe
shadow wind
To stop Iron hands drain punches
But yeah
Psychic is still good for like Urshifu-R
astral kelp
anyways this looks like a bo1 team if ive ever seen one haha
shadow wind
I know right
astral kelp
scarf miraidon 💀
astral kelp
ig you want to beat 222 speed
shadow wind
Or TW
astral kelp
so you can ev into a bit of bulk
oh yeah i always forget about considering tw
in my brain if opp tailwinds they are gonna outspeed me if i dont
shadow wind
I'm actually kinda messing with this team
Heatran is still ehhhh
A fire fairy type would be so elite
I just need another fire type
Fire type desperation 😔
I am NOT using this move bro
Wait that was single target
😔
cyan smelt
no it's not
shadow wind
I am not burning with jealousy for that move
surreal fossil
right now i am running a hyper offensive core with miraidon-zacian-chiyu-bundle, and am looking for a 6th.
i also have araquanid cause i love it and it has wide guard and is slower than caly i and ursa. but what should i put for this 6th pokemon? should it be another form of speed control or just another good attacker?? i know we're basically in a "slap urshifu on any and every team" era but idk i only have the dark one and i already have chi yu so if anyone has any creative suggestions that will aid my team pls lmk ❤️
solid frigate
right now i am running a hyper offensive core with miraidon-zacian-chiyu-bundle,...
Bundle is mid
But Mirai Zac Chi Yu core is workable
like its not bad at all
shadow wind
Bundle outspeeds CSR
solid frigate
So does Scarf Shifu
solid frigate
And unlike Bundle Scarf Shifu can actually OHKO CSR
shadow wind
They have completely different use cases
surreal fossil
but it can slow down csr with icy wind, and usually thats enough for miraidon to come in
solid frigate
i rather encore is on Whims
shadow wind
I say try bundle and see how it feels/works
There’s literally no reason to not trying something
surreal fossil
oh i have been trust 😭 i made many renditions of this team and besides miraidon and zacian, bundle was the only one that stayed through it all
shadow wind
As a 6th it could be something like Ogerpon for a FWG trio
surreal fossil
that's why i was thinking whims, but i already have bundle
solid frigate
just try the core like
Miraidon (Specs)
Zacian
Chi Yu(Focus Sash)
Urshifu (Scarf)
whimsicott(Covert Cloak)
And a random Flex mon like Iron Hands or Grimmsnarl
surreal fossil
and i cant use rilla cause of terrain war
shadow wind
Maybe just nakedpon with no mask
solid frigate
and i cant use rilla cause of terrain war
you can run Sash Chi Yu to try to beat Zamazenta cuz one tailwind is all you need For Chi Yu
cuz Urshifu with Tera Water Surging Strikes just OHKO’s CSR most of the time
eliminating any mind game you want when you are using bundle
surreal fossil
doesn't whim and grimm kinda feel like overkill?
solid frigate
doesn't whim and grimm kinda feel like overkill?
yeah thats why grimm can be optional but Grimm is for Screens anyway
mighty stump
just try the core like
Miraidon (Specs)
Zacian
Chi Yu(Focus Sash)
Urshifu (Scar...
No Farigiraf is troll
surreal fossil
whats the best 4th move for zacian outside of play rough / behemoth bash / protect?? is it sub/sd/ss/cc ??
charred saddle
zac is behemoth blade tho 
languid ocean
solid frigate
No Farigiraf is troll
I know lmao
astral kelp
Heatran is still ehhhh
i kinda wanna try heatran groudon gravity
astral kelp
necrozma dawn in this economy :O\
omg and after you torkoal
i love that team
im honestly considering sable eye over sandy
like ignore kyurem
maybe i can go jumpluff with protect actually
mint void
whats the best 4th move for zacian outside of play rough / behemoth bash / prote...
Basically any of the ones u named are good.
astral kelp
iron defense is my favorite
oh wait zacian nvm im dumb]
i love encore lockingh
idk why he refused to switch it out
]like yeah good nasty plot bro im sure its gonna do something when youre encored the whole game
left bobcat
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2346118146-g0obnhyvdn4xdo7xd6...
Ughhh I was trying to pulling off something like that
Never lucky 
languid ocean
we're the only 2 necrozmas LOL
out of like 70-ish people (?) the vgc here is so small 
our section is like 10% and 90% is TCG
lowkey wish Asia circuit is like NA/EU (we're under TPC like JP/KR and not TPCI)
languid ocean
the funniest highlight for day 1 was like
"btw we have no lunch breaks, please get prepared before we start"
round 3 and it's a dondozo MM playing the stall game
"ok everyone let's have a lunch break, please come back by 3pm (45 min? break)"
solid frigate
the funniest highlight for day 1 was like
"btw we have no lunch breaks, please g...
Dozo moment
left bobcat
I haven’t seen a dozogiri in a while
astral kelp
the funniest highlight for day 1 was like
"btw we have no lunch breaks, please g...
Bruuu Just uber eats at that point
Or eat the dondozo player
Wait that is reg G right
astral kelp
this is the 3rd last circuit before worlds
Man that sounds so fun tho, which tournament is this?
languid ocean
Man that sounds so fun tho, which tournament is this?
next is Melbourne, then Philippines I think?
astral kelp
next is Melbourne, then Philippines I think?
Yo that's epic
How well are you doing?
I wish I could go to the Melbourne one
Unfortunaly I'm stranded on a deserted island called new Zealand
languid ocean
I got 2-4
honestly still proud since its my first ever vgc tournament
im writing up a short report in the perspective of a newcomer so im prolly gonna share if ppl wanna read it
A big portion the current top 16 that made it for day 2 had gone to worlds at least once IIRC
next stump
first tournament is always the hardest one
astral kelp
honestly still proud since its my first ever vgc tournament
Nah that's amazing
I think just going through everything to even be there and be able to win 2 games with a very creative team is amazing
solid frigate
honestly still proud since its my first ever vgc tournament
its alright,you did well